/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/24/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Rudd-Xhmmmmmmmm00:08
Rudd-Xnot good00:08
Rudd-Xnot good at all00:08
Rudd-XOK let me switch to a qtable based layout?00:09
Rudd-XI basically need something like gtktreeview where I can pack shit like widgets in it00:09
Rudd-Xnow I know it can sort of be done, Amarok does it00:09
Rudd-XI basically need to pack in a row one label (or text item) and a check box00:09
Rudd-Xwhat's the ideal route?00:09
Rudd-Xin Qtspeak at least00:09
Rudd-XI'm on my second beer now :-)00:11
nixternalhaha00:13
nixternalI am trying to make dinner, but I don't know what I want00:13
nixternalwhat you are seeing in Amarok may be a KDE specialty actually...you might want to consult the KDE API on that one00:14
Rudd-Xhmmmmmm00:19
Rudd-Xhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm00:19
Rudd-Xlst me see00:19
Rudd-Xok00:20
Rudd-Xlemme ask wheels00:20
Rudd-XI've got the algo hashed and mashed up, I just need the widget to test my theories00:21
BigPickAfternoon all.00:52
BigPickI was recently able to make some headway on the update-manager memory errors people have been experiencing.00:53
daskreech:-)00:54
BigPickI have written a patch that solved the problem for me, and I am working with several others from the launchpad bug reports on eliminating all occurances.00:54
* daskreech hugs BigPick 00:56
BigPickThe errors are the result of several infinite loops, one of which I wrote the patch for.00:56
BigPickYou can check out my current progress here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/15449300:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 154493 in adept "Distribution Upgrade fails to complete -- Cannot allocate memory (dup-of: 107188)" [Undecided,In progress]00:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed]00:56
Rudd-Xjonathan?00:57
Rudd-Xaround?00:57
BigPickI would love to have some more people try out the patch and get back to me with the logs. So far most of this seems to be the result of the python 2.5 apt lib raising some unexpected Exceptions.00:58
Rudd-Xhey anyone interested in watching a preliminary version of userconfig with users-admin secondary group goodness?00:58
Rudd-Ooh, my, I would be interested01:00
Rudd-Xsorry, you don't get to be interested, punk01:00
daskreechnixternal: There seems to be a lot of ubuntu installing going on by you01:19
nixternalI didn't install anything!01:21
* daskreech bounces on nixternal's head01:22
daskreechI have pics!01:22
nixternalplease don't...my head is in pain01:22
daskreechAwww01:23
ajmitchwhat trouble is nixternal causing now?01:23
daskreechneed a kather?01:23
* Jucato hides from nixternal01:24
nixternalI just took some more tylenol01:26
daskreechThere is no Kiosk for KDE4?01:29
daskreechI thought someone was working on it01:29
Jucatonixternal: really sorry for not being there :(01:30
* Jucato just woke up01:30
nixternalJucato: that is alright...it was pretty good...myself and Riddell pretty much just listened to people...and answered their questions the best we could01:30
Jucatokool!01:31
* Jucato has to see the logs...01:31
nixternalI started to go with my prepared talk, but after watching the previous sessions, I seen there were a lot of questions, to the point they weren't all getting answered and were requested to go to another IRC channel or an email list01:31
nixternalso JR and I stayed in for about 1.5 hours just answering questions01:31
daskreechhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy/Kubuntu101:31
Jucatooh...01:31
daskreechThey were really cool too :)01:32
daskreechI loved the flow01:32
Jucatoaw.... I missed all the fun :(01:32
Jucatostupid sleep!01:33
daskreechDam near died laughing at nixternal's finding out that kubuntu was in court01:33
* begert_ agrees (oh hai, I am still here :P )01:33
ryanakcagj nixternal :)01:33
* Jucato tries to gently shake nixternal's hand, trying to avoid shaking his head...01:34
nixternalhehe01:34
nixternalthanks01:34
nixternalya, that tripped me out to hear Kubuntu booting up while sitting in a court room for jury duty01:35
nixternalfunny thing is, it was myself and another lug member, he heard the Ubuntu sound and told me, I thought he was full of bs, but then the judge went quiet for a second and then I heard the Kubuntu sounds...I wanted to call for a recess, but that wasn't my job :)01:35
Jucato"< nixternal> If you are just learning a language, like I am with Python,"... you never mentioned you were learning Java or .NET too? :D01:36
nixternalI know Java01:36
nixternal.NET I am not learning01:36
Jucatoah01:36
nixternalI took a few classes, that's it...I quickly removed it from my memory though :)01:36
Jucatooh.. you unlearned :)01:36
nixternalI think I did01:37
nixternalalthough I can still make sense of c# code01:37
Jucatotsk tsk :D01:37
nixternalI am gonna go chill for a minute and see if this head ache goes away01:38
nixternalback in a few01:38
ryanakcahmm... would this be a apt:/ kio/KDE thing, and anybody feel like taking a shot at answering? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+question/1598601:39
Rudd-Xhey nixternal01:39
Rudd-Xwhen you come back01:39
Rudd-Xping me and I'll send you the userconfig script I've been working on01:40
daskreechJucato: c# isn't that hard to make sense of :)01:40
JucatoI don't even want to know :)01:41
daskreechtsk tsk01:41
daskreech Know thy enemy?01:41
Jucatoone language at a time is enough for me01:41
begert_what language is your focus jucato?01:42
JucatoC++ -> Qt ->KDE01:43
begert_cool01:43
Jucatonow if I can only get myself to really focus :D01:43
BigPickJava, C, assembly, python01:46
BigPickI refuse to learn C++01:46
BigPickSo anybody had a chance to try that upgrade-manager patch?01:47
begert_I do C++ at my work, but mostly learned VHDL in school (which I have been slowly forgetting for over a year now)01:47
Rudd-Xhey jucato01:49
Rudd-Xanyone up for testing a new version of userconfig I have here?01:49
BigPickSure, but I don't know how valuable the input from a peon like me will be.01:51
Rudd-Xoh, extremely valuable01:51
Rudd-Xwhere can I send the file to ya?01:51
BigPickwpickard@du.edu01:52
BigPickAllright, I'm gonna run the patched update-manager against my two sandbox towers. I have em both setup with default feisty installs.01:57
BigPickCross your fingers.01:57
Rudd-X(Y)01:58
Rudd-Xoooooooooh01:58
Rudd-Xgood luck01:58
Rudd-XI'm sending you userconfig now01:58
begert_2 sandox towers....nice01:59
begert_*sandbox01:59
BigPick2 old dells that I scavanged.01:59
BigPickI collect old computer parts.01:59
BigPickOnes a PIII, the other is a P4.01:59
begert_nice, I have an old computer (at least all the parts) I just need a case and a PS02:00
BigPickI'm not gonna run it against my '98 sony VAIO with a PII coppermine.02:00
BigPickThats running my firewall atm :)02:00
Rudd-Xheh, I collect used cigarrette boxes.  I biet your hobby is MUCH more useful than mine.02:01
Rudd-X:-)02:01
Rudd-XI just sent you an email with the attached file02:01
Rudd-Xthanks for pitching in!02:01
BigPickMeh, not really.02:01
BigPickAnything I can do to help.02:01
BigPickIts gonna take a sec for me to get it. My University's email is a piece.02:02
Rudd-X(Y)02:02
Rudd-XI sent it to jriddell.org02:02
Rudd-Xjr at...02:02
begert_so if I wanted to get my feet wet in some kubuntu dev goodness, where is a good place to start?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu?02:08
Rudd-Xubuntu really needs a janitorial job list list02:08
Rudd-XI already pitched in with some of userconfig02:09
daskreechbegert_: good place to start02:09
daskreech and hang out here02:09
daskreech Hobbsee will poke you with a stick02:09
begert_I figured hanging out here would be a good place to start02:10
nosrednaekimbegert_: thats how I started02:13
nosrednaekimbegert_: doing user support in #kubuntu is also highly appreciated02:13
begert_can do what I can02:14
begert_been using kubuntu for about a year on and off, but don't know much more than the basics (for now)02:15
BigPickBegert, you and I are in the same boat man, just getting our feet wet.02:15
BigPickHey Rudd, this looks awesome so far.02:16
BigPickI haven't really tried breaking it yet but it does work as expected.02:16
nosrednaekimbegert_: you leran alot in #kubuntu.... Jucato is teh master ;)02:16
begert_noted02:17
BigPickThis has been one of by biggest pet peeves with our user managment system. I love the new groups tab.02:17
Rudd-Xthanks :-)02:17
Rudd-Xthanks you have NO IDEA how great I feel just reading that!02:18
BigPickNah man I do. I feel ya. Its why we do open source :)02:18
Rudd-Xnow, there are a few mongrels roaming around that code, esp. in the "primary group vs. secondary groups" department02:18
Rudd-Xbut I marked up carefully the parts of the source where the fixes should be applied as FIXMEs02:18
Rudd-Xwel not where they should be applied, but it's got something to do with it :-)02:19
BigPickI liked that differentiation though. Those descriptive names are gonna help newcomers out alot.02:19
Rudd-Xoh yeah02:19
Rudd-XI think it's a bit better than the ubuntu users-admin tool02:19
BigPickI know when I was switching over from NT I was so lost on the Unix groups thing.02:20
Rudd-Xbut we need to get the list of "privileges" more complete than it is right now its only a showcase02:20
BigPickStill am.02:20
BigPickYeah I noticed that, and we need to make sure the descriptions aren't misleading.02:20
Rudd-Xoh I should warn you, I coded that drunk02:20
Rudd-Xhahaha02:20
Rudd-Xbut I tested it on my own user account02:20
Rudd-Xif anything goes wrong, python will just except on the console and refuse to do stupid stuff02:20
Rudd-Xthats what I looooooove about python: it's got so many batteries included, drunken codign is no problem02:21
* Jucato is not a master02:21
BigPickWell its working flawlessly so far. God bless scripted languages.02:21
Rudd-Xcome on Jucato leave modesty aside02:21
nosrednaekimJucato is also humble...02:21
Jucatoyes I am :P02:21
Rudd-Xyeah I just did sudo chown rudd-o /usr/bin/userconfig ; kwrite /usr/bin/userconfig02:21
nosrednaekimall hail python!02:21
Rudd-XHAIL THE SNAKE!02:21
BigPickThere are things I can't stand about python though. As far as aesthetics go, I'm a Java guy.02:22
nosrednaekimlol02:22
Rudd-Xaesthetics?  what, do you like braces?02:22
Rudd-Xcome on you gotta be kiddin' me :-)02:22
BigPickYou bet :)02:22
Rudd-XI'm a brace-free man02:22
BigPickI like me semicolons and stuff.02:22
BigPickI'm dislexic adhd, it keeps me honest.02:22
Rudd-XI hate them02:22
Rudd-Xbraces and semicolons are an invention of the devil02:23
Rudd-Xespecially on latin american keyboards02:23
Rudd-XI have to contort my fingers to make them pop onscreen02:23
BigPickBut python rules with how it handles lists and such.02:23
BigPickBut your talking to a guy who loves to use MASM and LASM whenever I can :)02:23
BigPickI'm a little more than slightly wrong in the head.02:24
Rudd-XGODDAMNIT amarok died AGAIN02:24
Rudd-Xamarok+pulse = not a good combo02:24
Rudd-Xand I was on a roll wit the music here!02:24
BigPickEwww... <3 @ Amarok!02:25
Rudd-Xno, it doesn't need <3.  IT needs a cluestick.02:25
BigPickAmarok is my favorite music player of all time hands down.02:25
Rudd-Xoh that's absolutely unarguable02:25
Rudd-Xit's mine too02:25
Rudd-Xbut lately it's been less than cooperative over here02:26
daskreechRudd-X: The snake?02:26
Rudd-Xsnake = python02:26
Rudd-XI miss /disrok on Xchat02:27
Rudd-XI'm just booting Windows right now to produce a new mixdown02:27
BigPickSo what is the status with the Adept "Version Upgrade" button. Was it removed because of severe suckage?02:27
Rudd-Xadept DIES02:27
Rudd-Xit really DIES quite often02:28
Rudd-Xand it dies on critical stages02:28
BigPickDon't get me started.02:28
Rudd-Xit's been more than ten dpkg-reconfigures over here thanks to adept02:28
BigPickI think its abhorent how slow it is to index and search.02:28
Rudd-XI think adept needs a good old binary search02:28
Rudd-Xbut it has the same klistview problem amarok has02:28
BigPickIf it can't do it in Nlogn is doing something way wrong.02:29
Rudd-Xwhen a list is long, it takes AGES to fitler02:29
Rudd-Xit's not doing it ologn02:29
Rudd-Xbecause klistview is not model view controller02:29
Rudd-Xit's just impossible02:29
Rudd-Xthat is one thing the GTK devs got RIGHT02:29
BigPickShit.02:29
Rudd-X(well they've gotten MANY things right, if sulphur doesn't rain down on me after recognizing it)02:29
BigPickBut seriously neither of my sandboxes have show the "Version Upgrade" button in adept.02:30
daskreechBigPick: Most really powerful things on Linux take a while to get into02:30
Rudd-Xyou should really just dist-upgrade on the command line02:30
Rudd-Xmuch more control02:30
BigPickDoesn't matter since I'm downloading it manually.02:30
daskreechBigPick: I'm still soaking in iptables02:30
Rudd-Xdaskreech: I have the impression BigPick is really on top of things02:30
Rudd-Xiptables?  :-)02:30
Rudd-XI come from the ipfwadm age02:31
Rudd-Xthrough IPchains02:31
BigPickpfft pf > iptables02:32
daskreechRudd-X: Python isn't a snake :)02:32
BigPickI would dist-upgrade if I wasn't trying to patch upgrade manager.02:33
Rudd-Xa python is a snake, isn't it?02:33
Rudd-Xoic02:33
BigPickwait what... Python is a snake... I think...02:33
Rudd-XI'm mixing down a 3 hour mix set using nuendo under windows XP under Linux on a headless machine connected through Ethernet displaying through VNC watching it go down through KRDC02:34
Rudd-Xit's kind of contorted02:34
Rudd-Xbut it's the only way I'll get the mixdown going02:34
BigPickWow... holy crap.02:34
Rudd-Xscreenie?02:35
BigPickOh hey, can I add something to our wishlist while we are on the subject of media?02:35
daskreechPython is named after Monty Python :)02:35
Rudd-Xlemme paste a link02:35
Rudd-Xwishlist? sure02:35
BigPickCan we shoot mplayer?02:35
Rudd-X(daskreech: granted but the icon is a snake)02:35
Rudd-Xhttp://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/10/20/solving-choppy-sound-and-audio-stutter-in-vmware/windows-xp-on-vmware-on-linux-in-a-headless-machine-through-xrealvnc-displayed-through-krdc/02:36
daskreechI know I think that's really stupid :)02:36
BigPickShoot mplayer and possibly stop sucking at all things streaming media?02:36
daskreechBigPick: What does that have to do with mplayer?02:36
daskreechArgh02:36
daskreech KDE02:36
Rudd-Xmplayer is REALLY REALLY POOR quality02:36
BigPickExactly.02:36
daskreechYeah but it's none KDE02:36
Rudd-Xit plays ALL media formats... just as long as the moon is full, and everything is just right02:36
BigPickMplayer is the only damned thing I can get to stream.02:37
Rudd-Xit doens't work well with Pulse02:37
BigPickthat screenshot is just epic02:37
Rudd-Xit either segvs or aborts or sigills when you drag an icon to it02:37
Rudd-Xthanks BigPick  :-)02:37
BigPickKinda reminds me of that Megadeth song. "Sweating Bullets"02:39
Rudd-Xin which sense?02:39
Rudd-XI never heard that song02:39
BigPickHello me... Meet the real me02:39
Rudd-X?02:40
Rudd-XI need a little more context here :-D02:40
BigPickWell, me... it's nice talking to myselfA credit to dementiaSome day you too will know my painAnd smile its blacktooth grinIf the war inside my headWon't take a day off I'll be deadMy icy fingers claw your backHere I come again02:40
BigPickLyrics02:40
BigPickThe sceenshot just reminded me of thos lyrics is all :)02:41
Rudd-XOIC02:41
Rudd-XI definitely didn't want to go to windows to do the job, but the truth is Ardour is just crappy when compared to Nuendo02:41
Rudd-Xnuendo is so much better02:41
Rudd-Xeven though ardour has a much better stretch tool (GUI-wuise) the stretchtool in nuendo is superior in quality (MPEX) and it's annoyoing how the keyboard combos in ardour are almost unlearnable02:42
Rudd-XI honestly tried, you don't know how hard, to make a long mix in Ardour... but it's futile, nuendo is so much better02:43
BigPickI love audacity. But I do alot of technical signal processing.02:43
Rudd-XAudacity is cool but it won't work with Pulse.02:43
BigPickMaybe the problem here is pulse.02:43
Rudd-XBesides it's too simple, I need a multitrack mixer for what I do, and audacity is not it.02:43
Rudd-Xactually the last time I ran ardour I ran it directly on the machien with the soundcard02:43
Rudd-XI wish Audacity worked with pulse though, it woudl make quick audio edits painless for me02:44
Rudd-Xbut audacity just won't cut it for a three-hour mix set02:44
Rudd-Xhey, wanna listen?02:44
Rudd-Xhttp://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/mixdown.mp302:44
Rudd-Xsorry02:44
Rudd-Xwrong url02:44
Rudd-Xhttp://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/mixdown.mp302:44
Rudd-Xthat's the url02:44
BigPicksure, lemme fire it up.02:44
BigPickWhat genre is it?02:45
Rudd-Xxmms plays it up just fine02:45
Rudd-Xit's mostly dance02:45
Rudd-XDAMN wrong url again02:45
Rudd-Xhttp://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/tmp-mixdown.mp302:45
Rudd-XI love that xmms lets me scroll in time even in HTTP resources02:45
Rudd-Xsorry audacious02:45
Rudd-Xbut apparently that feture is now broken in gutsy02:46
BigPickUh huh... I'm not really sure what this is... but okay...02:46
Rudd-Xit begins with slow reggae dance and it ends in club dance02:47
Rudd-Xgoes thru all the genres02:47
Rudd-Xit's 70 tracks02:47
Rudd-Xbut since you mentioned Megadeth, I highly doubt you'll like it02:47
BigPicksweet. Nah, its good... but yeah I'm a huge metal head.02:47
Rudd-Xfeel free to dl it02:48
BigPickOh I'm having amarok stream it as we speak.02:48
Rudd-Xit's an earlier edition, I'm mixing down a new one which has a few more tracks and removes some tracks that just didn't fit properly there02:48
Rudd-Xamarok!  amarok rules :-)  We have a love-hate relationship here.  I'm actually listening to it too right now with amarok.02:48
BigPickRiga ding dong! Diggy diggy do!02:48
Rudd-Xhahahaa that song's not exactly brainy in the lyrics department02:49
Rudd-X"I'm a fat dog!"02:49
BigPickHey, I can't usually understand a damn work my death metal bands sing so its all god.02:49
BigPickBlack metal: I don't even wanna know.02:49
Rudd-X(Y) lol02:50
BigPickHAHA "You better fucking understand!" Didn't expect that.02:51
Rudd-Xme neither the first time I listened to that song, it's kind of a too "sweet" song to have that phrase pop up!02:52
BigPickFrom the mouth of an angel comes...02:54
daskreechRudd-X: #amarok.radio ?02:54
Rudd-Xoh indeed, cascada's singer is an angel02:54
Rudd-Xdaskreech: not really02:54
Rudd-Xhttp://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/tmp-mixdown.mp302:55
Rudd-Xyou can stream it02:55
Rudd-Xbut since gutsy I haven't been able to use either xmms or audacious to skip in the file02:55
daskreechRudd-X: No I'm saying do you want a spot on the radio station?02:55
Rudd-XI heard that it only allowed for free as in freedom music to be streamed02:56
Rudd-Xand I have none of that :-(02:56
Rudd-Xbut if it came down to good dance free music, I don't see why not02:56
Rudd-Xwhat are the reqs?02:57
Rudd-O/notice daSkreech still there?02:59
Rudd-Xgoddammnit02:59
Rudd-Xit doesnt work in kopete02:59
daskreechHa ha03:00
daskreechwhat was the xchat one you missed?03:00
Rudd-X disrok03:00
Rudd-Xan alias that showed what I was listening to in th echannel03:00
Rudd-Xno longer available in kovnersation or kopete03:00
Rudd-Xthis is konversation03:00
Rudd-Oand this is kopete03:00
daskreechRudd-X: try /media03:01
* Rudd-X is listening to Mix down by Rudd-O on Tentative new mix [Amarok]03:01
Rudd-XOHHHHHHHHHHHH03:01
daskreechEither I think03:01
Rudd-X(Y) deeply thank you03:01
daskreechIn  kopete you can have it announce everytime the track changes03:02
Rudd-Xthat would be annoying03:02
daskreech nice if you wanna get banned quick03:02
Rudd-Xbu since this track is not gonna change for about 2:30 hours.... that wouldn't be a problem right now03:02
daskreechOr banned slow :)03:03
Rudd-Xrofl03:03
BigPickKopete has been giving me a ton of sas recently.03:05
BigPickMostly with IRC channels.03:05
Rudd-Xsas?03:05
Rudd-Xwhat's sas?03:05
BigPickYou know sas, being uppity.03:05
Rudd-Xohghhhh03:05
Rudd-Xwell kopete isn't my choice for IRC03:05
BigPickThing your grandma smaked you around for03:05
Rudd-Xit's too... kopetey03:05
BigPickYeah, I'm not likeing it much.03:06
BigPickWhat are you using for irc?03:06
Rudd-Xplus I get to listen to real conversations with festival on konversation, while on kopete it's futile03:06
daskreechsass03:06
* daskreech reserves right to hate Kopete03:06
Rudd-Xrofl03:07
Rudd-Xsass!!!  that's the word!03:07
BigPicksass ... I can't spell worth a damn03:07
BigPickkonversation you say...03:07
Rudd-Xok I'm officially on my third beer03:07
BigPickI can tell.03:07
Rudd-Xkonvo rules because I can have a qt to text plugin plugged in on kttsd and it speaks03:08
Rudd-XI don't need to stare at the skreen to keep tabs on my knovos03:08
Rudd-Xkonvos03:08
Rudd-X"bigpick says: konversation you say"03:08
Rudd-XI just bought a cepstral voice to go along with it03:08
Rudd-Xit's a woman's voice so you'll all sound effeminate :-)03:08
Rudd-Xrofl03:08
Rudd-Xactually that was the best-quality voice in cepstral's library03:09
Rudd-Xand it was only thirty bucks03:09
* Hobbsee wondesr why this is not all in #kubuntu-offtopic03:09
Rudd-Xhahhaa03:09
Tm_TI so agree03:09
Rudd-Xworth it, now I can sleep through my support schedule and have the computer alert me when a gimp wants support03:09
BigPickBecause he is on his third beer, thats why03:09
Rudd-Xok, that's true, why don't we talk #kubuntu-devel stuff?03:09
daskreechHow do we get Adept to speed up searching ?03:10
Rudd-Xthe amarok devs have the answer03:10
BigPickHash tables.03:10
daskreechoh Hobbsee  can you poke begert_  with a stick? :)03:10
ScottKRewrite it from scratch or use apt whichever you find easier.03:10
Rudd-Xthey've been working hard on a playlist klistview thingie that works ologn03:10
Hobbseedaskreech: where?03:11
daskreechYEah I've been following the blogs with muted interest03:11
BigPickAnyone wanna help me test out this patch for the dist-upgrade scripts?03:11
Rudd-Xbecause thousands of tracks on the playlist was really insane03:11
daskreechHobbsee: Oh I didn't ask if there was a preference03:11
daskreechwhereever new devs normally get it03:11
Rudd-XBigPick: I would but I need to take a peek at the patch and currently I have nothing to distupgrade now03:11
BigPickhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/15449303:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 154493 in adept "Distribution Upgrade fails to complete -- Cannot allocate memory (dup-of: 107188)" [Undecided,In progress]03:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed]03:12
BigPickWhen you feel like it. All info is there.03:12
Rudd-Xthanks03:12
Rudd-XI'm going in03:12
Rudd-Xthat's ONE WEIRD bug03:15
BigPickOkay, I really have to take issue with strigi being included by default now.03:15
daskreechHow much CPU is it using?03:15
BigPickYeah, its taken me two days to find that little bit of the problem.03:15
BigPickIts not the cpu usage, I find the search function very difficult to use.03:16
Rudd-Xit's not the CPU thing03:16
Rudd-Xits the search thing03:16
Rudd-Xand the fact that it completely swamps the disk queues03:16
BigPickNot having a standard gui is very off-putting.03:16
Rudd-Xbecause for some reason it's SO FUCKING FAST that it doesn't bother to set the ioprio and sched to batch03:16
Rudd-X(sarcasm alert)03:16
Rudd-Xtwo biggies03:16
Rudd-X1) it doesn't set itself to batch neither in the io dept. nor in the sched dept.03:17
Rudd-X2) it doesn't use posix_fadvise and posix_madvise to alert the kernel that we DO NOT WANT the files it just indexed in the CACHE!03:17
BigPickWell, there is no doubt that once it has created the index, the serched are very fast, but the searches aren't effective.03:17
Rudd-Xoh and of course the searches aren't very effective thats true03:17
Rudd-Xand it lacks a decent user interface a la Beagle BEST03:17
Rudd-Xand it doesn't search among kmail and stuff03:18
Rudd-Xit's only in the filespace03:18
BigPickWell, some of the filespace, if I need to search outside my own home directory forget it.03:18
Rudd-XI saw a talk at Google through google video, very intersting, everyone was hailing how fast strigi was, but strigi is so behind in features ...03:18
Rudd-XBigPick: yes it just won't let itself configure to search /usr/share/doc or /home/shared for example, UNLESS you edit the config file by hand03:18
daskreechHow are you Hobbsee ?03:19
BigPickFrom a programer's point of view strigi is awsome, it uses all of the statistically superior algorithms available, but from a user point of view it is a bear.03:19
Rudd-XFUCKFUCKFUCK someone set the oven to OFF03:20
Rudd-XBigPick: fully agreed03:20
Hobbseedaskreech: good, dealing with bugs, and wondering who these people are03:20
BigPickMe, I'm a peon just a bug.03:20
BigPickIgnore me, I'm shutting up.03:21
Rudd-XHobbsee: hi there03:21
Rudd-Xwe're just friendly neighborhood spidercoders03:21
JucatoHobbsee: budding new volunteers to make your day :)03:22
HobbseeJucato: fair enough :)03:22
Rudd-XHobbsee: would you test a new version of userconfig I wrote?03:22
ajmitchHobbsee: we're here to make your life fun & exciting03:22
BigPickI was testing Rudds new userconfig, which was awesome.03:22
Rudd-Xoh it wasn't awesome it only has one small change03:23
BigPickAnd I'm just looking for more input on the dist-upgrade memory errors.03:23
Rudd-XBigPick: you know what might help? valgrind03:23
Rudd-Xmaybe you can valgrind the process03:23
Rudd-Xit woud for SURE be as slow as nothing you've ever exprienced03:23
Rudd-Xbut it would tell you for sure where th eleak is03:24
BigPickTrue, but so far I have identified at least two leak sources. I plugged the first one and now the others are cropping up.03:25
Rudd-Xhahhaa they're equal opportunity leaks03:25
daskreechHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy/Kubuntu1 might help03:25
Hobbseedaskreech: ah yes, i forgot that was on03:26
* Rudd-X serves 2 slices of meatlovers pizza03:27
Rudd-Xyum!03:27
Rudd-X(and not precisely the package manager)03:27
daskreech!botsnack03:28
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!03:28
Rudd-Xthat just cracked me up!03:28
Rudd-Xhahha03:28
daskreechHey jjesse03:31
jjessehello daskreech03:31
Hobbseebug 15477103:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 154771 in update-manager "Kubuntu 7.10 Upgrading to Kubuntu 7.10 and after gives error and says Distribution is Up To Date" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15477103:32
BigPickWait... why is upgrading itself?03:34
claydohdid't that one get fixed (in proposed)03:35
Hobbseeno idea03:35
ScottKBecause there's no need to run the upgrader when you're already runny the new release.03:35
BigPickI experinced the error where adept would still show the "Version Upgrade" button even after a successful upgrade but this seemes odd.03:35
* ScottK assumes it kicks in to get from the -devel release to the released release.03:35
BigPickWell the descriptions are vague. Everyone is confirming the bug no one explains what initiates the update.03:36
claydohit was happening to me untill today's updates, devel user here03:36
jjesseman i love my slingbox03:36
daskreechScottK: yeah but people who have had "issues" upgrading are worried they still haven't upgraded03:39
Rudd-Xwell, I'm heading off03:40
Rudd-Xand before doing that, I'm gonna post a bug report + the file of userconfig03:41
BigPickWell in my case, thanks to the upgrader crashing, it left my box unbootable.03:41
ScottKdaskreech: Understand.03:41
ScottKBut I don't see any SRU criteria such a change would meet.03:41
BigPickSo for me it was a legit worry when I saw the upgrade button come up again.03:41
BigPickScottK: In some instances the updater did not cleanly exit after detecting no updates.03:43
* daskreech sighs as people keep pointing out I read the title of the post, then skipped the body and hit the question at the end. Why? Because I have no idea what Uncharted is. So to answer the question at the end...03:43
daskreechhttp://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/kde4.png03:44
daskreechWrong clipboard03:44
ScottKBigPick: A crash can be fixed, I think, no question, but an extra notification doesn't qualify, IMO.03:44
BigPickScottK: I have found it very frustrating how this upgrade problem keeps getting bounced back and forth between the adept and update-manager projects. I just want this danged thing to work properly for people.03:46
ScottKUnderstand.03:46
ScottKThe trick is to make sure we don't make it worse.03:47
Rudd-Xcya gents!03:48
BigPickUnderstood, but at this point the entire process is fubared. When we are having to tell people to just go to the command line and run a manual upgrade, that is defeating the entire purpose set out for including these upgrade tools.03:48
BigPickAs it stands, the button remaining even after the upgrade is confusing to the end user. The entire point of adding it was to make it less confusing for the end-user to upgrade.03:51
ScottKWell that might add up to "a significant regression", so maybe if a reasonable fix were developed it would qualify.  When I said changing the extra notification wouldn't qualify, it was for what is essentially a cosmetic issue.03:51
BigPickI see. I apologize, this entire ordeal has my blood boiling.03:53
ScottKI can certainly understand being frustrated.03:53
Hobbsee /me wishes people would look in the required code, and fix it, rather than whining hwo it doesnt work.03:53
* Hobbsee thinks that'd be quicker.03:53
ScottKHobbsee: Does restarting the auto-sunc tool fall within your archive admin powers?03:54
ScottKsunc/sync03:54
HobbseeScottK: nope.03:54
daskreechI normally start whining when I'm tired or when the Philosphy of the project prevents it03:54
HobbseeScottK: that'll require drescher access.03:54
ScottKHobbsee: OK.  Thanks.  I guess I'll wait for tomorrow.  There's a package I need to bugfix that didn't quite make it before auto-sync got tired and went to sleep.03:55
Hobbseeheh03:55
Hobbseepoor autosync.  feed it coffee.03:55
ScottKPlease see 'that'll require drescher access.'03:56
BigPickHobbsee: I have been looking at the code for two days and submitted one partial patch, as insignificant as it may be.03:56
ScottK;-)03:56
Hobbseehaha03:56
ScottKBigPick: If it gives you any idea where we are on this, we got a fix into Feisty after the Gutsy Beta (maybe even after RC) that made it so every single upgrade on machines with less than ~ 1.5gb swap didn't fail.03:57
ScottKIt's, um complex.03:58
BigPickI'm well aware. If it was simple I wouldn't have two tower constantly running through the Feisty->Gusty update process to try and diagnose this.03:59
BigPickSandbox tower 2 is 18 minutes away from completing its 3rd upgrade attempt using my fourth patch. Cross your fingers.04:01
ScottKX04:03
BigPickThis problem brassed me off after it corrupted my install on my laptop. First time I have been motivated to contribute to Kubuntu development.04:04
Hobbseehm, how do i add a user to a group again?04:05
jjessetrhough system settings?04:06
Hobbseei'm on gnome04:06
jjessed'oh04:06
Hobbseethere's a command line way to do it04:06
JucatoSystem -> Administration -> Users ?04:06
Jucatoadduser username group?04:07
Hobbseeah, is that it?04:07
ScottKHobbsee: You can also just edit /etc/group04:07
HobbseeScottK: i tried that.  no dice.04:07
ScottKHmmm04:07
ScottKOK04:07
Hobbseeoh, i need to log out again afterwards, dont i?04:07
Jucatoyes04:07
Jucatoannoying ain't it? :P04:07
daskreechTo get a new group? yeah04:08
daskreechAnyone used the SF wiki?04:08
Hobbseeyup.  got it04:09
Jucatowhat got it?04:11
daskreechNew group04:11
Hobbseeyep04:11
Jucatoah04:11
BigPickJust for future reference, you can add an existing user to an existing group on the command line by "adduser USER GROUP"04:11
Hobbseethanks04:11
Jucato[11:07] <Jucato> adduser username group?04:11
Jucato>:)04:11
BigPickOh yeah, didn't see that LMAO04:12
BigPickDOH! Too slow!04:12
daskreechIf it can be done it can probably be done on the command line04:13
daskreechby a small shell script :)04:13
BigPickBrb, switching to konversation...04:13
BigPickAh, much better.04:15
daskreechmuch04:15
* daskreech should sign back into KDE04:24
BigPickWow, Tower 2 is almost complete and system guard shows physical memory usage pegged04:24
BigPickPegged in a good way that is, it has remained at a constant 90% of physical memory and 1% of swap with 70% cpu usage04:25
BigPickeven got youtube and amarok running in the background.04:26
edenbeasthi I'd like to report https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-7/+bug/104722 --> /usr/bin/esd is in esound not esound-common(so this can probably be closed?), I would comment on it in launchpad but I've been waiting for over an hour and still don't have my login. Anyway, thanks a lot. :-)04:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104722 in kubuntu-7 "Cannot find /usr/bin/esd" [Undecided,New]04:37
BigPickI am pleased to announce that Tower 2 successfully completed the dis-upgrade.py script without error for the first time.05:19
BigPickIf these results can be replicated with other users, how should I got about attempting to get this patch pushed?05:26
Hobbseesounds good05:34
BigPickWell, that didn't really answer my question, but its good to have your support :)05:50
BigPickAllright, I'm going to bed. See you all later.05:56
mhbgood morning06:01
Hobbseeheya mhb!06:04
Jucatoeek!06:05
* Jucato runs for his life06:05
mhbJucato: I don't really plan to murder you :o)06:06
Jucatonot yet?06:06
Jucatooh ok06:06
mhbJucato: but if packagekit turns out to be even slower than YaST package manager then I might change my mind :o)06:06
Jucatooh great... I keep on forgetting to try out suse 10.3...06:07
JucatoI need to pry myself from the desktop for a week06:07
nixternalJucato: let me spare you the suse 10.3 details...it is by far their best release yet...totally impressed07:09
Jucatonixternal: ooh :)07:09
nixternalit was very responsive and fast on my machine, in which I tried 10.2 and 10.107:10
n8k99would you recommend it over vista? :P07:10
* n8k99 runs and hides behind the pumpkin patch07:11
JucatoI just got around to booting it up. it was quite fast. and kate... started fast too :D07:11
mhbfast as in?07:11
mhbfaster than kubuntu?07:11
mhbnixternal: thanks for mentioning me back there in the openweek session, I was flattered :o)07:12
Jucato(yes? :P)07:12
nixternalmhb: totally deserved it!07:13
nixternalsuperdev is your new nickname07:13
Jucato:D07:13
mhbthanks07:16
mhbwell you should be the public face of kubuntu :o)07:16
Jucatoit's the flattering hour :)07:16
Jucatonixternal: you really rock you now that? :)07:16
Jucatomhb: you rock too! (so don't kill me just yet)07:16
mhbkudos to you for speaking at the openweek. Your talk was very nice and I hope it will bring some of the more active users over to devel.07:17
Hobbseethat'd be cool.  we need more devs.07:17
nixternalJucato: I wish I did, but obviously not07:17
nixternalHobbsee: Riddell and I had future devs foaming at the mouth07:17
nixternaland we got some pretty good ideas too07:17
nixternaland then we smacked them with a KDE 4.0 LiveCD release for the holidays07:18
nixternalthen they passed out07:18
Jucatohahah now you have to make sure of that :P07:18
Hobbseenixternal: woot!07:18
nixternaljcastro: I do need to know what your response to "2nd class citizen" would have been07:18
Jucatosomeone asked that?07:19
nixternalactually no07:19
nixternalbut Jorge was ready for them if they did07:19
nixternalI think we put any stop to the thought before it occurred though07:19
Jucatoorly? >:)07:19
nixternalseeing as Kubuntu has had the largest rollouts of any *buntu distro07:19
* Jucato has a devilish grin07:19
nixternalCanary Islands, Georgia, and the French Parliament07:20
nixternaloh, and my court house that runs Ubuntu and Kubuntu in their kiosks07:20
Jucatohehehe07:20
Hobbseeoh, someone should have asked.07:20
JucatoHobbsee: it's not too late yet >:)07:20
* Jucato has a devilish grin again07:20
nixternalI have been trying to get a speeding ticket so I can go and play with Kubuntu :)07:20
Hobbseetrue dat.07:20
* Jucato wished he was there :(07:21
nixternaltowards the end, my head ache was kicking in07:21
nixternalHobbsee: how goeth the schooling for you?07:22
nixternalmine has been insane..I will never take this many courses at once ever again07:23
Hobbseenixternal: would be good if i had the motivation to actually do some work07:23
nixternalyou and I both07:23
Jucatoyou and you and me both three07:23
nixternallol07:23
* Jucato didn't make any sense..07:23
nixternalJucato: you going to school now?07:23
nixternalI know you were going to start07:23
JucatoI wish.. but they will only start accepting applications by feb :(07:24
nixternalahh, that stinks07:24
nixternalyou see the news of the wild fires in California?07:24
Jucatoyeah... :(07:24
nixternalthat is insane07:24
* Jucato tries to relate the 2 subjects07:24
nixternalmy aunt has lost both her house and her business07:25
Jucatoaaah "stinks" and "insane"...07:25
Jucatooh that's bad :(07:25
nixternalI have the TV on and keep seeing it07:25
nixternalbelieve it or not, she is in high spirits as well as the others07:25
nixternalI seen some really neat stories tonight about the whole situation07:25
mhbwow, yast is Huge07:26
nixternala huge pain in the arse07:26
* Jucato still likes it though. the admin tool, not the frontend package manager07:27
nixternalyou want to see a great setup tool, check out PCLOS07:27
serzholinoHi! Can anyone reproduce this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/15655907:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 156559 in restricted-manager "restricted-manager-kde control module fails to load" [Undecided,New]07:27
nixternalI do like their configuration setup07:27
Jucatonixternal: that's drakconf.. from mandriva...07:28
nixternalnice07:28
Jucatoand it's GTK :D07:28
nixternalnot so nice07:28
Jucatoand I think it was a sort of "inspired from" YaST... (not sure really w/c came first)07:28
Jucatopclos isn't really that shy about using unconventional things to make users life easier (maybe?) apt-rpm, syanptic on KDE, drakconf...07:29
mhbserzholino: not here07:29
nixternalJucato: and that is why I totally despise it as an OS07:29
Jucato:D07:29
nixternalusers might as well just use Windows07:29
nixternalit looks like it, and runs like it07:30
Jucatoat least they changed the logo now :D07:30
* Jucato has a thing for distro artwork...07:30
mhbserzholino: well at least not on the real system07:30
nixternalserzholino: works fine here, just told me I need to load the restricted-modules07:30
* nixternal hurries and removes this restricted crap07:30
Jucatoheheh07:31
mhbyes, distro artwork is nice07:31
nixternalI also kind of like the PCLOS KMenu as well07:32
nixternalmy only problem though, is I can't stand a ton of submenus07:32
mhbbut it's problematic as well. If we use the default (think Oxygen or Tango) nobody would be able to diferentiate between Kubuntu and, say, Gentoo07:32
serzholinomhb: is your system upgraded form feisty?07:32
nixternalthat is why I really like our menu...I go to internet, and all of the internet stuff is there07:32
mhbserzholino: it is, although I upgraded before restricted-manager was even created07:33
nixternalmy system is upgraded from dapper, to edgy, to feisty, to gutsy, and in a couple of days to hardy07:33
Jucatonixternal: it only gets messy after installing a few dozen ups :)07:33
Jucatoer.. apps :P07:33
serzholinotwo of my systems was initially installed as breezy :)07:34
nixternalya, but people who usually install a few dozen apps, install a few dozen of the same thing with a different name07:34
serzholinoand one as feisty07:34
serzholinoand all 3 have this problem :(07:34
nixternalwell I can say that I removed hoary for Mepis and breezy for Slackware07:34
nixternalor maybe I have that backwards07:35
nixternalI think I do07:35
nixternalserzholino: is restricted-manager the only one with that problem?07:35
serzholinoI even tried creating new user, same thing07:35
nixternalhow about user management07:35
serzholinonixternal: yes07:35
serzholinouser management works ok07:36
nixternalhrmm, I have seen more than one having that issue before...it is just a config that was stuck and didn't get the update I think...we typically see that a lot during the dev cycles07:36
serzholinosystem config? how can i update it?07:37
nixternalJucato: speaking of PCLOS. their top 4 devs jumped ship to work on Foresight KDE07:37
Jucatokool07:37
nixternaljtate, int, and I can't remember the other 207:37
* Jucato likes foresight's colors better than ubuntu's :P07:37
nixternalwell it might be kool, but I asked Kevin Harris and Ken VanDeen about it, and told them that I hope it doesn't turn out like PCLOS..granted you will get the users, but you will kill Linux07:38
nixternalKen said that he wouldn't let that happen07:38
nixternaland yes, the green is better than the brown, even though I am not a fan of either color07:38
nixternalnothing beats blooo07:39
nixternaloh well, sleep time07:39
nixternalk'nite07:39
Jucato:)07:39
Jucatok'night! :D07:39
nixternalhehe07:39
serzholinoerror is in this statement:07:49
serzholino        return (t,07:50
serzholino            # %(os)s stands for the OS name. Prefix it or suffix it,07:50
serzholino            #  but do not replace it.07:50
serzholino            _('Proprietary drivers do not have public source code that %(os)s '07:50
serzholino            'developers are free to modify. They represent a risk to you '07:50
serzholino            'because they are only available on the types of computer chosen by '07:50
serzholino            'the manufacturer, and security updates to them depend solely on the '07:50
serzholino            'responsiveness of the manufacturer. %(os)s cannot fix or improve '07:50
serzholino            'these drivers.') % {'os': get_os_name()}07:50
serzholino        )07:50
serzholinocommenting out  "% {'os': get_os_name()}" helps07:50
mhbhmm, then the bug is in the get_os_name() function07:51
mhbthe translation is harmless otherwise07:51
mhbperhaps it reports something strange on the Live CD... or do you experience it on your system, too?07:51
serzholinoyes, on my system upgraded from feisty07:53
serzholinoon liveCD all is ok07:53
serzholinobut i didn't checked out console output07:53
mhbserzholino: I have a test script for you07:54
serzholinoand i booted liveCd with english language, but on installed system i use Ukrainian language07:54
serzholinomhb: great :)07:54
mhbhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/74765307:54
mhbtell me what it outputs07:55
mhbi get "Ubuntu"07:55
mhbbut you may encounter the same error message you got with your bug07:56
serzholinohmm, replasing problem sataement to" _('%(a)s') % {'a': get_os_name()}" gives "Ubuntu" too07:56
serzholinomaybe it is confised by "os" variable name?07:56
mhbso the test script returns "Ubuntu" ?07:57
mhbfor you?07:57
serzholinoyes07:58
mhbit is not confused by it on 99% systems, and I don't see a reason why it should be confused with it07:58
serzholinobut change %(os)s to %(a)s fixes this problem07:59
mhbValueError: unsupported format character ' ' (0x20) at index 10307:59
mhbthat's the error07:59
mhbbasically what it means is that it complains about a white space07:59
mhbbut 0x20 is the "ordinary" white space Python normally doesn't care about at all08:00
mhbserzholino: I am happy that your problem is gone. However, I really don't see a reason why 'os' should work better or worse than 'a', that is not how the language should behave08:01
mhbserzholino: which means I'd be happy to fix it in the branch if I knew why does this happen, and I don't. What we obviously need here is better bug triage.08:02
mhbIf we (the developers) cannot really reproduce it, we cannot be sure it's not a wild bug in Python or elsewhere that happens only on a certain machine08:02
mhbserzholino: could you do some testing for us? Please try to replace the 'a' that now works with 'os' back again and then maybe 'bah' or something longer08:03
mhbwould that be possible?08:03
mhbI have to go now, sorry, but feel free to ping me here or respond to the bug, I am subscribed to all restricted manager bugs.08:04
=== Earl_of_Dunham is now known as n8k99
serzholinomhb: replacing back to os desn't work08:13
serzholinogonna try to launch with different languages08:13
serzholinomaybe this is translation rtelated08:13
serzholinomhb: anythins that starts with "os" gives error08:17
_StefanS_morning08:38
Jucatomoin _StefanS_08:39
_StefanS_anyone else getting prompted for upgrading to final gutsy every time there's new updates in adept?08:39
_StefanS_kinda wierd08:39
_StefanS_happens on all my machines08:39
Jucatoyep08:39
_StefanS_so its a known thing08:39
Jucatoyes I think so. it's a bug :)08:40
_StefanS_oka08:40
serzholinomhb: The problem is in space before second %(os)s . Removing it heps. Launching systemsettings with english locale doesn't help08:42
_StefanS_Jucato: do you also have problems with kdmtheme?08:43
Jucatoum.. I haven't upgraded my gutsy for 2 weeks :P08:43
Jucatowell not 2 weeks...08:43
_StefanS_uhm ok08:44
_StefanS_a full upgrade is not really needed08:44
Jucatowaiting for traffic to die and bug fixes to come :)08:44
_StefanS_just install kdmtheme and it08:44
serzholinomhb: Finally! The problem is locale related. When i changed my locale from uk_UA.UTF8 to en_US.UTF8, error has gone08:52
serzholinoI'll write comment about this in bug08:53
Hobbsee!info gstreamer0.10-esd08:57
ubotugstreamer0.10-esd: GStreamer plugin for ESD. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.6-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 39 kB, installed size 108 kB08:57
serzholinomhb: it's translation bug, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-uk-base/+bug/15421409:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 154214 in language-pack-ru-base "Restricted Manager fails to start with Russian, Finnish or Japanese localization packs." [Undecided,Fix committed]09:12
Tonio_hi09:21
Jucato4 hours of utter silence?13:43
Jucato(and I broke it :P)13:43
mhbJucato: yeah, people mourn when I'm not around :o)13:44
mhbJucato: are you still knee deep in opensuse?13:44
jpatrickmhb: sorry about last night, got kicked off net by dad13:44
Jucatoreally? why didn't I get that memo?  :)13:44
Jucatoyou two had a fight? and I missed it? dang!13:44
HobbseeJucato: sheesh, i wonder who will be the next person to look elsewhere13:44
n8k99  /me is downloading turbolinux13:45
Jucatohaha I installed opensuse 10.3 2 weeks ago... I've only used it for a total of... um... 30 minutes spread about um.... 5 days?13:45
n8k99not really13:45
mhbjpatrick: no problem, I just didn't know what to do with the checkout .o)13:46
Jucatoheh the other distro that made a deal w/ MS? and in Asia? :)13:46
n8k99yes13:46
Jucatopoor East Asians...13:46
jpatrickmhb: since I upgraded to gutsy, it just won't do anything13:46
n8k99yes poor East Asians13:47
* Jucato is (un)lucky to be Southeast :)13:48
mhbJucato: so turbolinux is popular in your parts?13:48
Jucatonot at all :)13:48
mhbI've never heard of it before the deal13:49
JucatoLinux is not popular in our parts at all... or at least not in our house :)13:49
JucatoI'e heard it before, a merger of 3 (east) Asian distros13:49
mhbSuSE is quite popular in our parts because Novell has a fairly large dev group in Czech Rep.13:50
RiddellI've been to those offices13:50
mhbI think Red Hat had some offices here, too. Alas, no ubuntu :o)13:50
Jucatowe have our own distro here.. but it has an extremely small following... it's a distro made by a group from a government institution13:50
n8k99really?13:50
Jucaton8k99: who was that for?13:51
n8k99you Jucato13:51
jpatrickboth :P13:51
Jucatohttp://www.bayanihan.gov.ph/13:51
mhbRiddell: nice. Too bad it's Novell (its way of representing OpenSUSE as something only enthusiasts would use is terrible), otherwise I'd be happy for supporting Czech Rep.13:51
Jucatoit's Debian (Sarge) based...13:51
Riddellwell I've been to the suse offices anyway, long before Novell came along13:52
n8k99who uses it? people in that governemtn agency?13:52
Riddellgave them a bottle of irn bru, they were a bit bemused by that13:52
Jucaton8k99: the ones who made it use it :)13:53
Hobbseeheh13:53
Hobbseeyou and irn bru...13:53
Hobbseewhich kde4 release is up next?13:53
mhbRiddell: hehe :o)13:53
RiddellHobbsee: 4.013:53
Jucatohm... one day I must taste that legendary irn bru...13:53
Riddell(platform)13:53
Hobbseeahhh13:53
RiddellJucato: I'll bring some to the next UDS13:54
Jucatoooh then I'll have to be there! :D13:54
mhbRiddell: when are you leaving for UDS?13:54
mhbaaand silence :o)13:57
* mhb would be happy to have Jucato on the next UDS13:57
mhbprovided you won't jump ship to OpenSUSE or similar :o)13:57
* Jucato would be happy to have Jucato on *any* UDS... :(13:57
* Tm_T would be happy to... sleep?13:58
mhbTm_T: that can be arranged, at no cost even :o)13:58
Tm_Tmhb: really?13:58
Riddellmhb: probably going to London tomorrow if I can find someone to stay with13:58
mhbit's going to be even gloomier here with Riddell offline14:02
mhbRiddell: thanks14:02
mhbRiddell: are we going to catch up even with what the Ubuntuers plan for Hardy?14:02
mhbWhat do they plan (I mean the big things), anyway?14:02
Riddellmhb: that's the hope, it's why I'm subscribed to the relevant desktop BoFs at UDS14:05
Riddellsee the schedule for details14:05
mhbokay14:09
mhbI will14:09
Riddellnixternal_: did you manage to make documentation ready for kubuntu.org?14:28
Riddellhi phnom14:28
phnomRiddell: heya14:28
jjessehello15:05
Jucatomorning jjesse!15:06
Riddellanyone want to write an install and setup article for a magazine?15:15
Riddellnot clear if they'd pay15:15
jjesseevening Jucato15:15
jjessei might have time what would all be involved?15:16
Riddelljjesse: no idea, I can CC you in my reply and you can ask for more details15:16
Riddelljjesse: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Press_Kit_new.pdf15:21
mhbnews flash: IMAP for gmail accounts, woohoo15:23
jjesseRiddell: sure go ahead15:26
Jucatomhb: yeah... wonder when it will all trickle down to everyone...15:26
jpatrickkde-style-domino awaiting revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=40415:32
Jucatokool! :)15:33
Jucatojpatrick: thanks for that. one of the requested packages :)15:33
jpatrickJucato: so, where are the rest?15:34
* jpatrick plans to get them all in15:34
* Jucato already mentioned semantik15:34
jpatrickuploaded, in NEW quere15:34
jpatrickqueue*15:34
Jucato:D15:34
nixternal_mornin'15:40
jpatrickmoin nixternal_15:41
Jucatonixternal_!!!!!! with a tail!!!!15:42
jpatrick^you have new packages to see to15:42
Jucato(scary..)15:42
nixternal_with a tail?15:43
jpatrick"_"15:43
nixternal_oh15:43
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Jucato:D15:44
jjessehello nixternal15:44
jjesse!nixternal15:44
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!15:44
jjessei laugh ever time i see that15:44
* n8k99 giggles like a schoolgirl15:44
nixternalhowdy jjesse15:45
jjessehello rich15:45
nixternalinteresting...I boot up this morning and kmixer has the red x saying it can't be found15:49
nixternaljoy15:49
jjessenixternal: i think you have the same sound card as i do don't you? intel?15:50
jpatrickJucato: is it me or does domino turn most things black?15:50
Jucatoit does?15:50
Jucatoit shouldn't afaik15:50
jpatrickhmm..15:51
nixternaljjesse: yes15:51
jpatricktabs and buttons at least15:51
nixternalmaybe a reboot will fix it15:51
jjessemy volume is a little flaky this morning, jumping up and down15:51
jpatrickJucato: looks awesome with a dark colour scheme tho15:57
Jucatovery much :)15:57
Riddell** Ask Mark (Shuttleworth) now for Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom17:02
mhbRiddell: thanks! I hope some interesting kubuntu-related questions will come up... but I fear he hasn't changed his attitude since last time I asked him17:02
Riddelldon't remember you asking him before17:03
Riddellbut feel free to ask questions in -chat17:04
mhbRiddell: I did that via mail17:04
Riddelldid I see that?17:04
mhbit's a bit dated, but I can forward it17:05
mhbRiddell: sent17:07
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jpatrickkde stuff starts now ->17:16
jpatrickmoin aplg17:19
Hobbseehm17:29
Jucato??17:30
jpatrickhmm17:33
* Jucato feels hungry... looks for someone to eat17:34
Jucatoer.. something17:34
HobbseeJucato: testing out a mode17:35
Jucatoaaah17:35
jpatrickhahaha17:36
Riddelljjesse: did you get anywhere with flash and pandora?17:41
Riddellworks fine for me17:44
alleeHolHobbsee, Jucato: good try.  But sabdfl is good at answering without directly answering ;)17:53
HobbseealleeHol: yeah, i know.17:54
JucatoalleeHol: hehe yeah17:54
Jucatoperfect PR skills17:54
jjesseRiddell: um somewhat w/ flash and pandora, haven't spent too much time cause i'm still fighting w/ sound issues17:54
alleeHolJucato: right17:54
coreymon77Jucato: friday! :D17:59
Jucatowho what when? O.o18:00
coreymon77Jucato: leopard18:01
Jucatooooh18:01
JucatoI thought thursday :)18:01
coreymon77oh ya18:01
coreymon77sorry18:01
coreymon77thurs18:01
Jucato:P18:02
coreymon77no18:02
coreymon77friday18:02
coreymon77oct 2618:02
Jucatook ok.. "this week" :D18:02
TheInfinity<-- will have it "this week" ;918:02
coreymon77ill have it on saturday18:02
TheInfinityi think me too - apple online store will send it on 26 so it will be at home at 27, hmm?18:03
coreymon77depending where you are18:03
coreymon77actually no18:04
coreymon77it will get there monday prob18:04
coreymon77i doubt there will be package shipping on the weekend18:04
TheInfinitygermany, ... ruhr district18:04
coreymon77so my guess is earliest friday18:05
coreymon77i mean18:05
coreymon77monday18:05
TheInfinitywould be better because i am not at home until saturday evening18:05
coreymon77probably will come monday tuesday or wednesday18:05
TheInfinityall in all i dont need it that fast18:06
coreymon77my bro is picking it up for me at student price on friday18:06
coreymon77so when he comes home on sat i can install it18:06
TheInfinityis just nice because i additionally get vmware fusion18:06
coreymon77TheInfinity: i already have fusion18:06
TheInfinityi also have it for student price ;)18:06
TheInfinityi was part of fusion betatest and now ... :)18:07
coreymon77fusion doesnt come with the OS18:07
coreymon77TheInfinity: i pirated :P18:07
coreymon77TheInfinity: i know, im an awful person :P18:07
TheInfinityi dont like pirated software, especially there is an OSS alternative for almost everything18:08
coreymon77TheInfinity: for virtual machines?18:08
* ScottK considers the wisdom of making confessions on logged/publically archived channels.18:08
coreymon77with the same capabilities on fusion18:08
TheInfinitythats why i buy it. because good software should be honoured18:09
coreymon77ScottK: meh, this isnt even my regular computer18:09
coreymon77TheInfinity: i usually buy18:09
coreymon77TheInfinity: and i probably will buy it sometime or other18:09
TheInfinitymost things i do not buy, i support the community instead - because its OSS ;)18:09
coreymon77TheInfinity: there have just been too many things that have come out lately that are of higher buying priority18:10
coreymon77TheInfinity: im talking about things i get that are not OSS18:10
TheInfinitythis is mac osx and vmware fusion for me ;)18:11
TheInfinityand perhaps adobe CS318:11
coreymon77TheInfinity: huh?18:11
coreymon77TheInfinity: what is?18:12
TheInfinityevery other app is free / oss here ;)18:12
coreymon77TheInfinity: well, pretty much any program can be "free" if you know where to go :P18:13
TheInfinityfree in the idea of the developer :p18:13
coreymon77Jucato: whats NOFI mena?18:17
coreymon77mean*18:17
Jucatodunno :(18:18
coreymon77ahh18:18
coreymon77no flame intended18:18
mhboh my18:28
mhbUbuntu is going to drop the Human theme18:28
mhb(icons)18:28
jjessereally?18:28
mhbI really loved those, and now thanks to the lovely U.S. visa denial I cannot even go to the UDS and discuss with the people18:29
Jucatoreally??!?!?18:29
mhbJucato: well, it is a spec for the UDS. Of course, two things might block it - people who loved Human icons like me or lack of good artists18:29
mhbhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyIconTheme18:30
mhbthe worst thing is, they are going to create a new theme based on the tango guidelines, which I dislike a bit (very large icon borders, cartoonish look, inherits many "industrial" gnome elements I do not like)18:31
JucatoI don't like the way the tango project wants to enforce those things...18:33
JucatoI mean, I accept the icon naming spec as good for fd.o... but those things?18:33
Riddellnote that the icon naming spec isn't tango18:35
* Jucato thought it was started by tango?18:36
Jucatoor have I been deceived by JRT...18:36
* Tm_T didnt start waltz18:36
RiddellJRT is not the most reliable source of information18:40
Jucatohahah yeah :)18:40
JucatoJR is the most reliable of course18:40
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Riddellmhb: does gdebi work with remote files?18:54
Riddellno (at least not on the command line which is what I was meaning18:55
mhbRiddell: probably not18:58
mhbRiddell: do we need it?18:59
Riddellnot especially18:59
fdovingprobably not hard to make use of kios to copy the remote file.19:02
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daSkreech PREROUTING chain?19:24
Riddell?19:26
daSkreechIgnore19:26
daSkreechIdiotic touchpad19:26
daSkreechOh I should check if the help generated by Mousepad bug has been filed already19:27
nixternalFATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found21:43
nixternalargh!21:43
daSkreech:-)21:43
nixternalglad that makes you smile :p21:43
nixternalwo0t..fixed my sound22:00
daSkreech:-)22:49
claydohany idea on where I can start looking for dieas on this bug?22:53
claydohhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/15505122:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 155051 in kdebase "[GUTSY] Kubuntu Network Folders truncates long login name" [Undecided,New]22:53
claydohIdeas, rather22:53
RiddellSime: how ready is pykde4?23:16
Riddellclaydoh: does it affect other distros?23:18
claydohdunno, haven't used another in a while :)23:20
claydohwill look tho23:20
Riddellclaydoh: or try asking on #kde-devel23:20
claydohkk23:20

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