[00:08] hmmmmmmmm [00:08] not good [00:08] not good at all [00:09] OK let me switch to a qtable based layout? [00:09] I basically need something like gtktreeview where I can pack shit like widgets in it [00:09] now I know it can sort of be done, Amarok does it [00:09] I basically need to pack in a row one label (or text item) and a check box [00:09] what's the ideal route? [00:09] in Qtspeak at least [00:11] I'm on my second beer now :-) [00:13] haha [00:13] I am trying to make dinner, but I don't know what I want [00:14] what you are seeing in Amarok may be a KDE specialty actually...you might want to consult the KDE API on that one [00:19] hmmmmmm [00:19] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [00:19] lst me see [00:20] ok [00:20] lemme ask wheels [00:21] I've got the algo hashed and mashed up, I just need the widget to test my theories [00:52] Afternoon all. [00:53] I was recently able to make some headway on the update-manager memory errors people have been experiencing. [00:54] :-) [00:54] I have written a patch that solved the problem for me, and I am working with several others from the launchpad bug reports on eliminating all occurances. [00:56] * daskreech hugs BigPick [00:56] The errors are the result of several infinite loops, one of which I wrote the patch for. [00:56] You can check out my current progress here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/154493 [00:56] Launchpad bug 154493 in adept "Distribution Upgrade fails to complete -- Cannot allocate memory (dup-of: 107188)" [Undecided,In progress] [00:56] Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed] [00:57] jonathan? [00:57] around? [00:58] I would love to have some more people try out the patch and get back to me with the logs. So far most of this seems to be the result of the python 2.5 apt lib raising some unexpected Exceptions. [00:58] hey anyone interested in watching a preliminary version of userconfig with users-admin secondary group goodness? [01:00] oh, my, I would be interested [01:00] sorry, you don't get to be interested, punk [01:19] nixternal: There seems to be a lot of ubuntu installing going on by you [01:21] I didn't install anything! [01:22] * daskreech bounces on nixternal's head [01:22] I have pics! [01:22] please don't...my head is in pain [01:23] Awww [01:23] what trouble is nixternal causing now? [01:23] need a kather? [01:24] * Jucato hides from nixternal [01:26] I just took some more tylenol [01:29] There is no Kiosk for KDE4? [01:29] I thought someone was working on it [01:30] nixternal: really sorry for not being there :( [01:30] * Jucato just woke up [01:30] Jucato: that is alright...it was pretty good...myself and Riddell pretty much just listened to people...and answered their questions the best we could [01:31] kool! [01:31] * Jucato has to see the logs... [01:31] I started to go with my prepared talk, but after watching the previous sessions, I seen there were a lot of questions, to the point they weren't all getting answered and were requested to go to another IRC channel or an email list [01:31] so JR and I stayed in for about 1.5 hours just answering questions [01:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy/Kubuntu1 [01:31] oh... [01:32] They were really cool too :) [01:32] I loved the flow [01:32] aw.... I missed all the fun :( [01:33] stupid sleep! [01:33] Dam near died laughing at nixternal's finding out that kubuntu was in court [01:33] * begert_ agrees (oh hai, I am still here :P ) [01:33] gj nixternal :) [01:34] * Jucato tries to gently shake nixternal's hand, trying to avoid shaking his head... [01:34] hehe [01:34] thanks [01:35] ya, that tripped me out to hear Kubuntu booting up while sitting in a court room for jury duty [01:35] funny thing is, it was myself and another lug member, he heard the Ubuntu sound and told me, I thought he was full of bs, but then the judge went quiet for a second and then I heard the Kubuntu sounds...I wanted to call for a recess, but that wasn't my job :) [01:36] "< nixternal> If you are just learning a language, like I am with Python,"... you never mentioned you were learning Java or .NET too? :D [01:36] I know Java [01:36] .NET I am not learning [01:36] ah [01:36] I took a few classes, that's it...I quickly removed it from my memory though :) [01:36] oh.. you unlearned :) [01:37] I think I did [01:37] although I can still make sense of c# code [01:37] tsk tsk :D [01:38] I am gonna go chill for a minute and see if this head ache goes away [01:38] back in a few [01:39] hmm... would this be a apt:/ kio/KDE thing, and anybody feel like taking a shot at answering? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+question/15986 [01:39] hey nixternal [01:39] when you come back [01:40] ping me and I'll send you the userconfig script I've been working on [01:40] Jucato: c# isn't that hard to make sense of :) [01:41] I don't even want to know :) [01:41] tsk tsk [01:41] Know thy enemy? [01:41] one language at a time is enough for me [01:42] what language is your focus jucato? [01:43] C++ -> Qt ->KDE [01:43] cool [01:43] now if I can only get myself to really focus :D [01:46] Java, C, assembly, python [01:46] I refuse to learn C++ [01:47] So anybody had a chance to try that upgrade-manager patch? [01:47] I do C++ at my work, but mostly learned VHDL in school (which I have been slowly forgetting for over a year now) [01:49] hey jucato [01:49] anyone up for testing a new version of userconfig I have here? [01:51] Sure, but I don't know how valuable the input from a peon like me will be. [01:51] oh, extremely valuable [01:51] where can I send the file to ya? [01:52] wpickard@du.edu [01:57] Allright, I'm gonna run the patched update-manager against my two sandbox towers. I have em both setup with default feisty installs. [01:57] Cross your fingers. [01:58] (Y) [01:58] oooooooooh [01:58] good luck [01:58] I'm sending you userconfig now [01:59] 2 sandox towers....nice [01:59] *sandbox [01:59] 2 old dells that I scavanged. [01:59] I collect old computer parts. [01:59] Ones a PIII, the other is a P4. [02:00] nice, I have an old computer (at least all the parts) I just need a case and a PS [02:00] I'm not gonna run it against my '98 sony VAIO with a PII coppermine. [02:00] Thats running my firewall atm :) [02:01] heh, I collect used cigarrette boxes. I biet your hobby is MUCH more useful than mine. [02:01] :-) [02:01] I just sent you an email with the attached file [02:01] thanks for pitching in! [02:01] Meh, not really. [02:01] Anything I can do to help. [02:02] Its gonna take a sec for me to get it. My University's email is a piece. [02:02] (Y) [02:02] I sent it to jriddell.org [02:02] jr at... [02:08] so if I wanted to get my feet wet in some kubuntu dev goodness, where is a good place to start? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu? [02:08] ubuntu really needs a janitorial job list list [02:09] I already pitched in with some of userconfig [02:09] begert_: good place to start [02:09] and hang out here [02:09] Hobbsee will poke you with a stick [02:10] I figured hanging out here would be a good place to start [02:13] begert_: thats how I started [02:13] begert_: doing user support in #kubuntu is also highly appreciated [02:14] can do what I can [02:15] been using kubuntu for about a year on and off, but don't know much more than the basics (for now) [02:15] Begert, you and I are in the same boat man, just getting our feet wet. [02:16] Hey Rudd, this looks awesome so far. [02:16] I haven't really tried breaking it yet but it does work as expected. [02:16] begert_: you leran alot in #kubuntu.... Jucato is teh master ;) [02:17] noted [02:17] This has been one of by biggest pet peeves with our user managment system. I love the new groups tab. [02:17] thanks :-) [02:18] thanks you have NO IDEA how great I feel just reading that! [02:18] Nah man I do. I feel ya. Its why we do open source :) [02:18] now, there are a few mongrels roaming around that code, esp. in the "primary group vs. secondary groups" department [02:18] but I marked up carefully the parts of the source where the fixes should be applied as FIXMEs [02:19] wel not where they should be applied, but it's got something to do with it :-) [02:19] I liked that differentiation though. Those descriptive names are gonna help newcomers out alot. [02:19] oh yeah [02:19] I think it's a bit better than the ubuntu users-admin tool [02:20] I know when I was switching over from NT I was so lost on the Unix groups thing. [02:20] but we need to get the list of "privileges" more complete than it is right now its only a showcase [02:20] Still am. [02:20] Yeah I noticed that, and we need to make sure the descriptions aren't misleading. [02:20] oh I should warn you, I coded that drunk [02:20] hahaha [02:20] but I tested it on my own user account [02:20] if anything goes wrong, python will just except on the console and refuse to do stupid stuff [02:21] thats what I looooooove about python: it's got so many batteries included, drunken codign is no problem [02:21] * Jucato is not a master [02:21] Well its working flawlessly so far. God bless scripted languages. [02:21] come on Jucato leave modesty aside [02:21] Jucato is also humble... [02:21] yes I am :P [02:21] yeah I just did sudo chown rudd-o /usr/bin/userconfig ; kwrite /usr/bin/userconfig [02:21] all hail python! [02:21] HAIL THE SNAKE! [02:22] There are things I can't stand about python though. As far as aesthetics go, I'm a Java guy. [02:22] lol [02:22] aesthetics? what, do you like braces? [02:22] come on you gotta be kiddin' me :-) [02:22] You bet :) [02:22] I'm a brace-free man [02:22] I like me semicolons and stuff. [02:22] I'm dislexic adhd, it keeps me honest. [02:22] I hate them [02:23] braces and semicolons are an invention of the devil [02:23] especially on latin american keyboards [02:23] I have to contort my fingers to make them pop onscreen [02:23] But python rules with how it handles lists and such. [02:23] But your talking to a guy who loves to use MASM and LASM whenever I can :) [02:24] I'm a little more than slightly wrong in the head. [02:24] GODDAMNIT amarok died AGAIN [02:24] amarok+pulse = not a good combo [02:24] and I was on a roll wit the music here! [02:25] Ewww... <3 @ Amarok! [02:25] no, it doesn't need <3. IT needs a cluestick. [02:25] Amarok is my favorite music player of all time hands down. [02:25] oh that's absolutely unarguable [02:25] it's mine too [02:26] but lately it's been less than cooperative over here [02:26] Rudd-X: The snake? [02:26] snake = python [02:27] I miss /disrok on Xchat [02:27] I'm just booting Windows right now to produce a new mixdown [02:27] So what is the status with the Adept "Version Upgrade" button. Was it removed because of severe suckage? [02:27] adept DIES [02:28] it really DIES quite often [02:28] and it dies on critical stages [02:28] Don't get me started. [02:28] it's been more than ten dpkg-reconfigures over here thanks to adept [02:28] I think its abhorent how slow it is to index and search. [02:28] I think adept needs a good old binary search [02:28] but it has the same klistview problem amarok has [02:29] If it can't do it in Nlogn is doing something way wrong. [02:29] when a list is long, it takes AGES to fitler [02:29] it's not doing it ologn [02:29] because klistview is not model view controller [02:29] it's just impossible [02:29] that is one thing the GTK devs got RIGHT [02:29] Shit. [02:29] (well they've gotten MANY things right, if sulphur doesn't rain down on me after recognizing it) [02:30] But seriously neither of my sandboxes have show the "Version Upgrade" button in adept. [02:30] BigPick: Most really powerful things on Linux take a while to get into [02:30] you should really just dist-upgrade on the command line [02:30] much more control [02:30] Doesn't matter since I'm downloading it manually. [02:30] BigPick: I'm still soaking in iptables [02:30] daskreech: I have the impression BigPick is really on top of things [02:30] iptables? :-) [02:31] I come from the ipfwadm age [02:31] through IPchains [02:32] pfft pf > iptables [02:32] Rudd-X: Python isn't a snake :) [02:33] I would dist-upgrade if I wasn't trying to patch upgrade manager. [02:33] a python is a snake, isn't it? [02:33] oic [02:33] wait what... Python is a snake... I think... [02:34] I'm mixing down a 3 hour mix set using nuendo under windows XP under Linux on a headless machine connected through Ethernet displaying through VNC watching it go down through KRDC [02:34] it's kind of contorted [02:34] but it's the only way I'll get the mixdown going [02:34] Wow... holy crap. [02:35] screenie? [02:35] Oh hey, can I add something to our wishlist while we are on the subject of media? [02:35] Python is named after Monty Python :) [02:35] lemme paste a link [02:35] wishlist? sure [02:35] Can we shoot mplayer? [02:35] (daskreech: granted but the icon is a snake) [02:36] http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/10/20/solving-choppy-sound-and-audio-stutter-in-vmware/windows-xp-on-vmware-on-linux-in-a-headless-machine-through-xrealvnc-displayed-through-krdc/ [02:36] I know I think that's really stupid :) [02:36] Shoot mplayer and possibly stop sucking at all things streaming media? [02:36] BigPick: What does that have to do with mplayer? [02:36] Argh [02:36] KDE [02:36] mplayer is REALLY REALLY POOR quality [02:36] Exactly. [02:36] Yeah but it's none KDE [02:36] it plays ALL media formats... just as long as the moon is full, and everything is just right [02:37] Mplayer is the only damned thing I can get to stream. [02:37] it doens't work well with Pulse [02:37] that screenshot is just epic [02:37] it either segvs or aborts or sigills when you drag an icon to it [02:37] thanks BigPick :-) [02:39] Kinda reminds me of that Megadeth song. "Sweating Bullets" [02:39] in which sense? [02:39] I never heard that song [02:39] Hello me... Meet the real me [02:40] ? [02:40] I need a little more context here :-D [02:40] Well, me... it's nice talking to myselfA credit to dementiaSome day you too will know my painAnd smile its blacktooth grinIf the war inside my headWon't take a day off I'll be deadMy icy fingers claw your backHere I come again [02:40] Lyrics [02:41] The sceenshot just reminded me of thos lyrics is all :) [02:41] OIC [02:41] I definitely didn't want to go to windows to do the job, but the truth is Ardour is just crappy when compared to Nuendo [02:41] nuendo is so much better [02:42] even though ardour has a much better stretch tool (GUI-wuise) the stretchtool in nuendo is superior in quality (MPEX) and it's annoyoing how the keyboard combos in ardour are almost unlearnable [02:43] I honestly tried, you don't know how hard, to make a long mix in Ardour... but it's futile, nuendo is so much better [02:43] I love audacity. But I do alot of technical signal processing. [02:43] Audacity is cool but it won't work with Pulse. [02:43] Maybe the problem here is pulse. [02:43] Besides it's too simple, I need a multitrack mixer for what I do, and audacity is not it. [02:43] actually the last time I ran ardour I ran it directly on the machien with the soundcard [02:44] I wish Audacity worked with pulse though, it woudl make quick audio edits painless for me [02:44] but audacity just won't cut it for a three-hour mix set [02:44] hey, wanna listen? [02:44] http://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/mixdown.mp3 [02:44] sorry [02:44] wrong url [02:44] http://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/mixdown.mp3 [02:44] that's the url [02:44] sure, lemme fire it up. [02:45] What genre is it? [02:45] xmms plays it up just fine [02:45] it's mostly dance [02:45] DAMN wrong url again [02:45] http://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/tmp-mixdown.mp3 [02:45] I love that xmms lets me scroll in time even in HTTP resources [02:45] sorry audacious [02:46] but apparently that feture is now broken in gutsy [02:46] Uh huh... I'm not really sure what this is... but okay... [02:47] it begins with slow reggae dance and it ends in club dance [02:47] goes thru all the genres [02:47] it's 70 tracks [02:47] but since you mentioned Megadeth, I highly doubt you'll like it [02:47] sweet. Nah, its good... but yeah I'm a huge metal head. [02:48] feel free to dl it [02:48] Oh I'm having amarok stream it as we speak. [02:48] it's an earlier edition, I'm mixing down a new one which has a few more tracks and removes some tracks that just didn't fit properly there [02:48] amarok! amarok rules :-) We have a love-hate relationship here. I'm actually listening to it too right now with amarok. [02:48] Riga ding dong! Diggy diggy do! [02:49] hahahaa that song's not exactly brainy in the lyrics department [02:49] "I'm a fat dog!" [02:49] Hey, I can't usually understand a damn work my death metal bands sing so its all god. [02:49] Black metal: I don't even wanna know. [02:50] (Y) lol [02:51] HAHA "You better fucking understand!" Didn't expect that. [02:52] me neither the first time I listened to that song, it's kind of a too "sweet" song to have that phrase pop up! [02:54] From the mouth of an angel comes... [02:54] Rudd-X: #amarok.radio ? [02:54] oh indeed, cascada's singer is an angel [02:54] daskreech: not really [02:55] http://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/tmp-mixdown.mp3 [02:55] you can stream it [02:55] but since gutsy I haven't been able to use either xmms or audacious to skip in the file [02:55] Rudd-X: No I'm saying do you want a spot on the radio station? [02:56] I heard that it only allowed for free as in freedom music to be streamed [02:56] and I have none of that :-( [02:56] but if it came down to good dance free music, I don't see why not [02:57] what are the reqs? [02:59] /notice daSkreech still there? [02:59] goddammnit [02:59] it doesnt work in kopete [03:00] Ha ha [03:00] what was the xchat one you missed? [03:00] disrok [03:00] an alias that showed what I was listening to in th echannel [03:00] no longer available in kovnersation or kopete [03:00] this is konversation [03:00] and this is kopete [03:01] Rudd-X: try /media [03:01] * Rudd-X is listening to Mix down by Rudd-O on Tentative new mix [Amarok] [03:01] OHHHHHHHHHHHH [03:01] Either I think [03:01] (Y) deeply thank you [03:02] In kopete you can have it announce everytime the track changes [03:02] that would be annoying [03:02] nice if you wanna get banned quick [03:02] bu since this track is not gonna change for about 2:30 hours.... that wouldn't be a problem right now [03:03] Or banned slow :) [03:03] rofl [03:05] Kopete has been giving me a ton of sas recently. [03:05] Mostly with IRC channels. [03:05] sas? [03:05] what's sas? [03:05] You know sas, being uppity. [03:05] ohghhhh [03:05] well kopete isn't my choice for IRC [03:05] Thing your grandma smaked you around for [03:05] it's too... kopetey [03:06] Yeah, I'm not likeing it much. [03:06] What are you using for irc? [03:06] plus I get to listen to real conversations with festival on konversation, while on kopete it's futile [03:06] sass [03:06] * daskreech reserves right to hate Kopete [03:07] rofl [03:07] sass!!! that's the word! [03:07] sass ... I can't spell worth a damn [03:07] konversation you say... [03:07] ok I'm officially on my third beer [03:07] I can tell. [03:08] konvo rules because I can have a qt to text plugin plugged in on kttsd and it speaks [03:08] I don't need to stare at the skreen to keep tabs on my knovos [03:08] konvos [03:08] "bigpick says: konversation you say" [03:08] I just bought a cepstral voice to go along with it [03:08] it's a woman's voice so you'll all sound effeminate :-) [03:08] rofl [03:09] actually that was the best-quality voice in cepstral's library [03:09] and it was only thirty bucks [03:09] * Hobbsee wondesr why this is not all in #kubuntu-offtopic [03:09] hahhaa [03:09] I so agree [03:09] worth it, now I can sleep through my support schedule and have the computer alert me when a gimp wants support [03:09] Because he is on his third beer, thats why [03:09] ok, that's true, why don't we talk #kubuntu-devel stuff? [03:10] How do we get Adept to speed up searching ? [03:10] the amarok devs have the answer [03:10] Hash tables. [03:10] oh Hobbsee can you poke begert_ with a stick? :) [03:10] Rewrite it from scratch or use apt whichever you find easier. [03:10] they've been working hard on a playlist klistview thingie that works ologn [03:11] daskreech: where? [03:11] YEah I've been following the blogs with muted interest [03:11] Anyone wanna help me test out this patch for the dist-upgrade scripts? [03:11] because thousands of tracks on the playlist was really insane [03:11] Hobbsee: Oh I didn't ask if there was a preference [03:11] whereever new devs normally get it [03:11] BigPick: I would but I need to take a peek at the patch and currently I have nothing to distupgrade now [03:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/154493 [03:12] Launchpad bug 154493 in adept "Distribution Upgrade fails to complete -- Cannot allocate memory (dup-of: 107188)" [Undecided,In progress] [03:12] Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed] [03:12] When you feel like it. All info is there. [03:12] thanks [03:12] I'm going in [03:15] that's ONE WEIRD bug [03:15] Okay, I really have to take issue with strigi being included by default now. [03:15] How much CPU is it using? [03:15] Yeah, its taken me two days to find that little bit of the problem. [03:16] Its not the cpu usage, I find the search function very difficult to use. [03:16] it's not the CPU thing [03:16] its the search thing [03:16] and the fact that it completely swamps the disk queues [03:16] Not having a standard gui is very off-putting. [03:16] because for some reason it's SO FUCKING FAST that it doesn't bother to set the ioprio and sched to batch [03:16] (sarcasm alert) [03:16] two biggies [03:17] 1) it doesn't set itself to batch neither in the io dept. nor in the sched dept. [03:17] 2) it doesn't use posix_fadvise and posix_madvise to alert the kernel that we DO NOT WANT the files it just indexed in the CACHE! [03:17] Well, there is no doubt that once it has created the index, the serched are very fast, but the searches aren't effective. [03:17]