[00:03] <ubuntu> It didn't
[00:03] <ubuntu> work
[00:04] <vzduch> get a multiverse repo and 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' (if the name wasn't changed)
[00:05] <vzduch> !sourceomatic
[00:05] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:05] <ubuntu> ...?
[00:08] <rickey> hey my BMPx has crashed it was working great yesterday, did a gusty update  and now it,s not working
[00:08] <rickey>  anyone elas exsperanceing this
[00:10] <helloyo> ah, its good to be back on kubuntu, i can't stand gnome anymore
[00:11] <taylan> how to install jre to kubuntu gutsy
[00:11] <helloyo> taylan: you want to install sun-java6-jre ande sun-java6-plugin
[00:11] <sub[t]rnl> !java | taylan
[00:11] <ubotu> taylan: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[00:11] <rickey> has anyone on gusty had any bmpx crashes
[00:13] <shadowhywind> hay all having a bit of an issue with my printer, when i try to print it will either print in all color or all in black. In the printing settings under driver settings -> Printout mode, I can control it., I am wondering how can i set it to normal - autoselect
[00:14] <angelo> enter
[00:15] <angelo> hola
[00:16] <ubuntu> !sourceomatic
[00:16] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:17] <MilesG> i compiled conky yesterday, and i set up .conkyrc to show me some information on my swap partition..is it bad that my laptop never uses swap?
[00:17] <ardchoille> Does the Seveas repo not have any packages for Gutsy?
[00:17] <stdin> ardchoille: no, we have to re
[00:17] <stdin> *recommend medibuntu
[00:17] <ubuntu>  could I open adobe flash with 'Ark' then install it with 'Adept' into firefox?
[00:18] <stdin> or whatever it is :p
[00:18] <ardchoille> stdin: By who's authority? I quite liked the Seveas repo.
[00:18] <ubuntu>  could I open adobe flash with 'Ark' then install it with 'Adept' into firefox?
[00:18] <stdin> MilesG: no, it's not a bad thing. it will only use swap when needed
[00:18] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[00:18] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:18] <stdin> ardchoille: well, there is no gutsy repo for Seveas
[00:19] <stdin> see !dvd
[00:19] <stdin> !dvd
[00:19] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:19] <ubuntu> !flash
[00:19] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[00:21] <needles> stdin, that reboot didnt work earlier
[00:23] <taylan> thx for java and flash help. I love you guys
[00:23] <taylan> best regards
[00:23] <lovre> i have 4 partitions in my 'Storage media' folder. Now, i know i made 2 ntfs and 2 ext3. How do i know which is which?
[00:24] <epimeth> !kde4
[00:24] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[00:24] <helloyo> lovre, in a terminal try "cat /etc/fstab"
[00:24] <taylan> make disk labels with qpart
[00:24] <taylan> lovre make disk labels with qpart
[00:26] <ardchoille> Anyone else getting errors on updating sources?
[00:27] <ardchoille> Isn't this the url for the archives?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[00:28] <ardchoille> There are German pages in what looks like a wordpress site there
[00:28] <LjL> ardchoille: here they're the archives. check your dns i guess :)
[00:30] <lovre> why cant i create new folder or anything inside my ext3 partition? I can do this in every other partition
[00:31] <helloyo> lovre: you probably don't have write permissions
[00:31] <edenbeast> lovre: are you getting an error, are the permissions of your mount point set so that you're allowed to create a folder?
[00:31] <taylan> may I use Qparted when kubuntu(gutsy) running I want to alter native partition
[00:32] <edenbeast> lovre when you type 'mount' in a console do you see (rw) behind the partition ?
[00:32] <iobelix> hi, i am trying kde, when i switch desktops windows from other desktops are displayed on my taskbar. i tried finding a configuration parameter in taskbar and compiz settings but to no avail. can anybody suggest something please?
[00:32] <edenbeast> taylan do you mean on the partition your live system is using? :-/
[00:33] <lovre> edenbeast: yes i see rw
[00:33] <edenbeast> that'd be somewhat dangerous I think
[00:33] <taylan> edenbast not live system just I want another partition
[00:33] <edenbeast> lovre you'll see something like /dev/hdaX on <directory>  could you do ls -ld <directory> to see what it's permissions are?
[00:35] <edenbeast> taylan on certain filesystems that would work (resizing it) I believe, better check for your target filesystem though :-)
[00:36] <edenbeast> iobelix right click on your panel, go to configure panel and there to task-bar, uncheck show windows from all desktops
[00:37] <taylan> thx
[00:37] <ardchoille> LjL: I don't think it's my dns. And   http://packages.medibuntu.org/  looks bad too.
[00:37] <edenbeast> iobelix: if it's only for compiz it may not be possible though, compiz only works with 1 real desktop and lots of virtual planes
[00:37] <lovre> edenbeast: i see /dev/sdaX, is that same?
[00:37] <edenbeast> taylan I've oly use parted once though and never on something I couldn't stand to lose
[00:37] <LjL> ardchoille: well then what is it? it works for me
[00:37] <edenbeast> lovre yes
[00:38] <edenbeast> so back up first :P
[00:38] <FunnyLookinHat> Question:  If I am running Gnome (Ubuntu) and want to test KDE4, do I have to install kubuntu-desktop before I install the KDE4 testing packages?  or can I just install the KDE4 testing packages?
[00:38] <edenbeast> medibuntu is slow for me, everything else works
[00:38] <edenbeast> but I'm on the .be mirror
[00:39] <iobelix> edenbeast: yes i have tried that but there is no such option as i have only one desktop under "configure desktops". it is under compiz where i have 4 horizontal desktops. if i keep 4 real desktops then 16 desktops are shown on the workplace switcher
[00:39] <iobelix> this has not been a problem for me in gnome though. i use compiz there too.
[00:40] <edenbeast> iobelix you need to have 1 real desktop under kde and then you can make as much horizontal desktops as you want, it won't solve the taskbar thing I'm afraid though :-/
[00:40] <iobelix> honestly, to me the use of having multiple desktops is greatly reduced if the taskbar shows windows from all desktops
[00:40] <iobelix> oh.
[00:40] <iobelix> wow that is a bummer
[00:40] <edenbeast> I used beryl before and I believe it was a possibility there, but I honestly don't know if beryl is even still usable on gutsy :-(
[00:40] <lovre> edenbeast: it says: "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-10-24 01:24 /media/sda3"
[00:41] <iobelix> no i don't think it is.
[00:41] <edenbeast> lovre that's the problem, that partition is owned by root and root alone, so only root can write to it :-)
[00:41] <needles> Jucato, I think I fubar'd my system last night
[00:41] <iobelix> so it is not possible to work with 4 real desktops and have just one horizontal desktop?
[00:42] <edenbeast> lovre you'll need to alter the ownership of the mountpoint to something usable for you, like lovre:lovre for instance, it depends a bit on who will be using the partition, if it's just you then sudo chown -R lovre:lovre <directory> will do
[00:42] <lovre> edenbeast: what i want to do is to use that partition normally to store data, music and other stuff
[00:42] <edenbeast> ibelix that'll screw with the kicker desktop pager
[00:42] <earl_> hey what is the official channel of compiz?
[00:43] <earl_> or, for compiz support i guess
[00:43] <shadowhywind> earl it is compiz-fusion
[00:43] <earl_> thanks
[00:43] <iobelix> do you think there is a need to file a bug for this?
[00:43] <lovre> edenbeast: if i would like to set my home directory to another partition, would it be possible to do so now? (i forgot during the installation)
[00:43] <edenbeast> it's a known issue
[00:45] <edenbeast> lovre it's always possible
[00:45] <lovre> edenbeast: but is it messy?
[00:46] <edenbeast> lovre yes and no, you'll need to copy your home directory to the new partition, then it's best to drop to a tty, rename your old home dir in case you forgot to copy something, write a mount rule in fstab, mount the new home and you can login again
[00:46] <edenbeast> if it checks out fine afterwards you an delete the old home directory
[00:47] <lovre> edenbeast: ill try that some other time, too much problems for now.
[00:48] <Minataku> Anyone seen Dr_Willis around?
[00:49] <sub[t]rnl> not today Minataku
[00:50] <Minataku> :\
[00:50] <lovre> now, the big problem. Is it hard to install drivers for my nVidia 7900GS graphics card?
[00:50] <hydrogen> no.
[00:50] <hydrogen> if you use gutsy they may have been installed already
[00:50] <hydrogen> if not, just run restricted-manager-kde
[00:51] <lovre> it says NVIDIA - not in use
[00:51] <lovre> should i check it?
[00:51] <hydrogen> yes
[00:51] <diomedes> man talk about painful, took ages to get dual head to work on my laptop in the end I rewrote the xorg.conf from scratch
[00:51] <lovre> cross thumbs
[00:51] <lovre> restart needed
[00:51] <lovre> brb
[00:55] <lovre> done
[00:55] <lovre> NIIICE
[00:56] <lovre> everything is faster now :D
[00:56] <lovre> any1 here
[00:58] <Alethes> I managed to work around it this time, but is there a reason the adept upgrade would always flake out when it came to actually installing packages?
[00:59] <Alethes> it either breaks packages or just sits there and does nothing
[01:00] <hydrogen> lovre: good :)
[01:01] <wastedfluid> Hi.  one quick question; a friend sent me a .mp4 file, a trailer to a movie... and there's like, green shadows.. or a lot of green pixels.. in the picture.  they fade in + out.. I'm playing it with Kaffeine.  Can anyone point me in a certain direction?
[01:03] <lovre> now when i have installed my 7900GS, is there a way to make my kde look cool, like transparency, widgets and stuff?
[01:03] <hydrogen> yes
[01:03] <angasule> lovre: are you running gutsy?
[01:03] <hydrogen> compiz
[01:03] <hydrogen> !compiz
[01:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:03] <angasule> hydrogen: I thought some eyecandy was included in the install disk?
[01:04] <lovre> angasule: yes, i am
[01:04] <diomedes> c
[01:05] <angasule> lovre: that guide is for feisty, so I would advise against reading it, I haven't installed gutsy yet but I think in the Settings you can activate all the eye candy
[01:05] <angasule> !eye-candy
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eye-candy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <Alethes> hey hydrogen, are you using compiz now?
[01:05] <angasule> !eyecandy
[01:05] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[01:05] <hydrogen> Alethes: not at the moment
[01:05] <Alethes> does it integrate decently with kde?
[01:06] <hydrogen> yes
[01:06] <Alethes> I tried it at work on a mandriva 2008 box and I had to stop 'cause I missed little things like kwin hotkeys that I was used to, or just being able to drag windows in the pager or send a window to a different desktop
[01:06] <hydrogen> why is there a kubuntu-art site?
[01:06] <hydrogen> it just screams NIH
[01:06] <Alethes> not to mention that the cube gave me a headache haha
[01:06] <helloyo> NIH?
[01:07] <hydrogen> not invented here
[01:07] <helloyo> ah
[01:07] <hydrogen> i.e.
[01:07] <hydrogen> what exactly is kubuntu specific about the stuff on that site?
[01:07] <hydrogen> its all kde themes
[01:07] <Alethes> hehe
[01:10] <lovre> is there any application that gives me desktop widgets?
[01:10] <angasule> lovre: umh, I know superkaramba can be used for that, I don't know if something newer is available
[01:11] <lovre> i tried installing superkaramba on feisty, had some problems
[01:11] <hellhound> does anyone know how to get Kopete Desklist Plugin to work?  I am getting "error: Could not find Kopete header files"
[01:12] <lovre> how do i make my windows transparent?
[01:12] <lovre> bbaib
[01:13] <lovre> bbiab
[01:14] <NickPresta> lovre, using KDE?
[01:16] <koolatron> hi all - I'm having issues with sound since installing Gutsy, and I can't find any solutions that seem to work on the forums
[01:17] <crackhead_25_> sub[t]rnl: hey sorry i missed your message.. what was your recommendation about not being able to see the firewire extern. hd?
[01:18] <diomedes> is there a way to get dolphin to remember network creds? getting sick of having to give my passwrd every time I change directory
[01:19] <Dragnslcr> koolatron- what sound card/chipset?
[01:22] <koolatron> Dragnslcr: NVidia MCP55
[01:22] <koolatron> http://pastebin.com/m2252c7c3
[01:22] <koolatron> output of aplay -l
[01:23] <koolatron> I'm in the audio group, the sound is not muted, the speakers are plugged in (all checked)
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> koolatron- I have the same chipset, and my problem was that the snd-hda-intel module is in a different package in 7.10
[01:26] <koolatron> what'd you do?
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> Try modprobe -l snd-hda*
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> See if that lists snd-hda-intel
[01:27] <koolatron> i see snd_hda_intel, with underscores
[01:27] <koolatron> it's loaded
[01:27] <Dragnslcr> I dunno then. Once I got that module installed and loaded, everything came back for me
[01:27] <koolatron> http://pastebin.com/d3d628ddd
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, looks good to me
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> I think you have a different problem than I did
[01:29] <koolatron> i'll try purging and reinstalling
[01:30] <koolatron> brb
[01:32] <oslo> hi, a friend of mine like to use his printer: BROTHER FAX 8350P but it seems it doen't supported...
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !printing
[01:32] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:33] <hydrogen> brother has their own drivers for linux on their site
[01:34] <hydrogen> that work
[01:34] <hydrogen> i don't think they are packaged in ubuntu for licensing reasons
[01:34] <koolatron> no dice, still no sound
[01:34] <hydrogen> but i could be wrong
[01:38] <koolatron> rebuilding alsa with module-assistant
[01:39] <lovre> im back
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> yay! new ATI drivers!
[01:39] <lovre> still wondering about all those fancy stuff i heard, 3D desktop, transparency etc....?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> w00t!
[01:41] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: compiz is enabled by default in ubuntu 7.10 (gnome), not kubuntu 7.10 (kde)
[01:41] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | lovre
[01:41] <ubotu> lovre: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:41] <lovre> hmm, why do i need instructions if its enabled by default in kubuntu 7.10?
[01:42] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: how do i use it? and where do i find it in my kubuntu 7.10*
[01:43] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: it is NOT enabled by default in K(notice the K)ubuntu (ie "ubuntu with KDE"); it IS enabled by default with ubuntu ("ie ubuntu with GNOME")
[01:44] <inaety> how can i locally watch FLV?
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: mplayer? vlc?
[01:44] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: i see. How do i enable it in kubuntu?
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> !info youtube-dl | inaety
[01:44] <ubotu> inaety: youtube-dl: download videos from youtube.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 2007.08.24-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: yes i sent instructions for that
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | lovre
[01:44] <ubotu> lovre: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:44] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: ok, thank you
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: you turn on something called 'compiz-fusion'
[01:45] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: i dont want to download youtube videos, i already have the FLV file...but when i try to convert with ffmpeg or something it says its an unknown format but idk what package to get
[01:45] <WaltzingAlong> !info vlc | inaety
[01:45] <ubotu> inaety: vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[01:45] <WaltzingAlong> !info mplayer | inaety
[01:45] <ubotu> inaety: mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 3775 kB, installed size 9428 kB
[01:46] <WaltzingAlong> !flv
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <lovre> by the way, how do i make firefox open every link instead of konqueror? I tried set as default didnt work
[01:46] <oslo> WaltzingAlong & hydrogen > his seems not supported, FAX 8350P
[01:46] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: kmenu/system settings/default applications/   set it there
[01:47] <WaltzingAlong> seems brother fax 8350P does not support gnu/linux ?
[01:48] <oslo> WaltzingAlong> seems linux doesnt support brother fax 8350P yeah
[01:48] <iobelix> how does one set default programs in kde?
[01:48] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: thank you again
[01:49] <WaltzingAlong> oslo: seems the other way around but alright
[01:49] <coteyr> ok so i have a question. My mouse pad key is bound to XF86Launch0 which is fine except it launches KDE Hellp Center How can I remove this assioation?
[01:49] <oslo> WaltzingAlong> sorry but my english isn't far good... do you think tere is way to use it on linux ??
[01:50] <oslo> *there
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> coteyr: try system settings->keyboard and mouse->keyboard shortcuts->application shortcuts
[01:50] <jtmoney> oslo: brother has GREAT linux support... check out their web site
[01:50] <iobelix> for example, how would i set my default browser to firefox so it does not keep opening konqueror when i click a link
[01:51] <oslo> jtmoney> i do
[01:52] <oslo> i did i mean
[01:52] <WaltzingAlong> oslo: does brother provide a driver for use with this printer on gnu/linux? does brother provide documentation the devices' specifications so others can write such a driver? check www.brother.com (i think that is the site)
[01:52] <coteyr> nosrednaekim first place I looked nothign three
[01:52] <coteyr> there*
[01:52] <WaltzingAlong> iobelix:  kmenu/system settings/default applications/   set it there
[01:52] <coteyr> none of the keys are there
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> coteyr: oh. ok
[01:52] <coteyr> none like XF86Launch#
[01:52] <coteyr> which is a shame because I want to change some of thoes too
[01:53] <coteyr> but there not there
[01:53] <jerbear> hi, is it better to install kubuntu straight from the cd or is it the same as just doing "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> hmmm odd.
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: the second will work just fine if you already have ubuntu loaded
[01:54] <jerbear> k... how is kubuntu gutsy... does it work ok?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: works fine for me
[01:54] <coteyr> also another minor bug/issues/bad config thing. I am used to previews in konqueror of movie files. From what I can find on google it should work in dolphin too but I can't see them. I can watch the movies fine though in both xine and kaffine
[01:54] <coteyr> jerbear;  I like it I only have two sissues
[01:55] <coteyr> and there minor and probably my  fault
[01:55] <jerbear> how do i switch login screens if i'm installing from ubuntu? from gdm to kdm
[01:55] <lovre> i have installed compiz, and i cant get desktop to change as cube. In fact, i cant change it at all
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[01:55] <jerbear> thanks
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> lovre: run "compiz --replace"
[01:55] <jerbear> does anyone use nx with kubuntu?
[01:55] <lovre> i did
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> lovre: nothing
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> run it from a konsole
[01:56] <lovre> it works
[01:56] <lovre> but
[01:56] <lovre> i dont know how to do the 3D desktop rotation
[01:56] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: yes
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> lovre: ah... "ctrl+alt+right arrow"
[01:56] <coteyr> lovre drag something near the edge of the screen
[01:56] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: nx free edition or freenx?
[01:56] <lovre> it doesnt work :(
[01:56] <lovre> maybe i need to restart x?
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: lately more nomachine's nx
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: maybe you don't have that enabled...
[01:57] <iobelix> thank you
[01:57] <lovre> is it Desktop CubE?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: do you have wigly windows or anything different?
[01:57] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: does it work ok with kubuntu... i'm having all sorts of problems under gnome
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: yeah
[01:57] <iobelix> i actually found it in "component chooser"
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: i have it working well, sure
[01:57] <lovre> windows are different, they open funny, that all
[01:57] <lovre> desktop cube enabled but not working
[01:57] <iobelix> also, what plug in do i need in order to get DivX streaming?
[01:57] <staceyb> what is the cd command in konsole?  like what would I type to get into my home directory?
[01:57] <lovre> maybe restart?
[01:57] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: are you using the feisty debs from nomachine?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: ok,did you get the compizconfig-settings-manager?
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: just having compiz running does not mean you have enabled all of the plugins you see in videos
[01:58] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: i know
[01:58] <jerbear> how does firefox look in kubuntu?
[01:58] <muchanic> staceyb: cd ~
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> lovre: did you enable "rotate cube"?
[01:59] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: yes i am using the .deb files from nomachine
[01:59] <lovre> ok, now it works
[01:59] <pizzicato> !fglrx
[01:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:00] <WaltzingAlong> nosrednaekim: oh, i see, needed to enable it
[02:00] <jerbear> gnome has really left a bad taste in my mouth with gutsy... the thought of something better is exciting :)
[02:00] <WaltzingAlong> first reaction: it is broken; second reaction: i broke it
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> lovre: sweet
[02:00] <lovre> nosrednaekim: i dont get this. I have 4 desktops, but it shows me i got 8, and i can shuffle trough only 2
[02:00] <lovre> :S
[02:01] <lovre> nosrednaekim: this is niiiiiiice
[02:01] <staceyb> is there nyway I can view hidden folders? I'm trying to start a program I installed through WINE?
[02:01] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: sure. use the compiz settings manager tool to modify the number of desktops
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> lovre: in ccsm general->desktop size->horizontal desktop size
[02:02] <iobelix> what plugin do i need in order to get DivX streaming?
[02:02] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer
[02:02] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.40-5ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[02:02] <WaltzingAlong> staceyb: in konqueror? view/show hidden files; otherwise just type the name in the url such as /home/staceyb/.wine then navigate from there
[02:02] <jerbear> how does firefox look in kubuntu?
[02:02] <staceyb> .wine
[02:02] <staceyb> awesome thanks
[02:03] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: how you tell it to look
[02:03] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: i don't understand
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: you can theme it to match your qt theme
[02:03] <jerbear> oh ok
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: i dont understand this!!
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: what is this size and number of desktops?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> lovre: what>
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: how do i set this to have 4 normal desktops on a cube?
[02:05] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: for compiz-fusion specific questions you could ask in #compiz-fusion
[02:05] <kroynos> does anybody know about a complete from start to finish on compiz for kubuntu.. i am confused on how to set it up..
[02:05] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: thank you
[02:06] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | kroynos, other than this?
[02:06] <ubotu> kroynos, other than this?: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:07] <kroynos> is that for Kubuntu 7.10 or can i use feisty for 7.10?
[02:07] <kubuntunewbie> i have a couple questions. first off is it possible to make my windows partitions read-only to linux? and second is there a good web-design program for linux?
[02:07] <WaltzingAlong> kroynos: you do not need to add the repository to gutsy. read the page. but the part about which packages to install is relevant
[02:08] <kroynos> aight i give that a shot..
[02:08] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: yes !ntfs and !ntfs-3g  and as for web design, meaning html editor? bluefish and such though a website could be drawn out in the gimp as well
[02:09] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: what do you mean by !ntfs and !ntfs-3g?
[02:09] <WaltzingAlong> !ntfs-3g | kubuntunewbie
[02:09] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:10] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: but for some reason without me even mounting them they were mounted for both read & write. is that standard with 7.10?
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: yes i think so.
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntunewbie: yeah
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: but you should be able to change that so they are readonly
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntunewbie: go into system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[02:11] <dennister> that's a new feature of gutsy then, as ntfs-3g was not standard with feisty
[02:12] <dennister> easy, but not standard
[02:12] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: maybe you can change them through kmenu/system settings/advanced/disk and filesystems
[02:12] <kubuntunewbie> nosrednaekim: WaltzingAlong going to try that now, ty
[02:16] <kubuntunewbie> nosrednaekim: WaltzingAlong: that worked great, thanks so much, now i can rest easily and not worry about killing winblows.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:16] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: would its death not be celebrated?
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: um sort of, i do some web-design on the side and i am very new to linux
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: so frontpage is what i use for my web design currently
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: happen to know a good editor for linux?
[02:17] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: osalt.com search for frontpage
[02:17] <dwidmann> front page, I pity you
[02:17] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: try quanta+
[02:17] <dwidmann> !info quanta
[02:17] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2385 kB, installed size 5744 kB
[02:17] <WaltzingAlong> !html
[02:17] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build web pages.  Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and KompoZer(Nvu).  For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com/
[02:18] <Phil7> Hey guys...I've been trying to install Kubuntu using the Wubi Alpha build and I've been running into some problems
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: ok...
[02:19] <lovre> are there any widgets in compiz i could enable?
[02:19] <Phil7> I can get Wubi to work ont he windows side of things, but when I reboot to actually install I get blackscreened
[02:19] <moparisthebest> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy, amd64 arch, and even though knetwork manager says I am connected to the network I can't access the network at all
[02:20] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: I wonder if it's that one knetworkmanager bug, can you perhaps try connecting *without* using knetworkmanager?
[02:20] <dwidmann> (that is, kill knetworkmanager, set up the connection some other way)
[02:20] <moparisthebest> like remove it and reboot dwidmann ?
[02:21] <moparisthebest> cant hurt I guess
[02:21] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: that would work, so long as you have the package cached for easy reinstallation without network access.
[02:21] <moparisthebest> it won't remove it unless I run apt-get clean right?
[02:21] <moparisthebest> the actual package that is
[02:21] <dwidmann> Wrong.
[02:21] <dwidmann> Right
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: possibly your graphics card, etc are unsupported..does the liveCD boot fine?
[02:22] <crazy_bus> I just installed a dvb-t pci card.  Kaffeine detects it and seems to set it up.  However when it searches for stations it detects nothing.  Why is this?
[02:22] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: i think it was you who had mentioned to me something about konqueror having a search feature to search for new packages? how do i get to it?
[02:22] <unclekev> .
[02:22] <dwidmann> It won't remove the cached package unless you apt-get clean, or if you have certain things set up in your apt prefs, then agiank you'd know about those.
[02:22] <Phil7> No the live CD doesn't...I think my card is unsupported...I have a 8800GTS.
[02:23] <rance> can someone help me figure out why a 7.10 kubuntu install (from 7.10 cd) keeps giving me the version upgrade tool trying to upgrade my box to 7.10?
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> rance: known issue, thanks
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: and what version are you trying to install?
[02:23] <Phil7> 7.10
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: i do not recall that nor can i think just now of what that may meant
[02:23] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: might not have been you.
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[02:24] <moparisthebest> rance, you mean you already have 7.10 but it still says version upgrade availible?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: hmm should be supported
[02:25] <Phil7> Someone suggested my monitor wasn't supporting the refresh rate, but I'm not sure how to change that.
[02:25] <rance> moparisthebest: yes thats what I mean, I installed 7.10 from the cd, but every time I do a package update I have to go through the version update wizard, that finally ends telling me no update is available
[02:26] <rance> aparantly its a known issue, I thought it was just me
[02:26] <diomedes> hmm my sound has disappeared
[02:26] <Phil7> Should I try to install it without using Wubi?
[02:26] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: i can only find quanta no quanta+ what repos does it run off of?
[02:27] <moparisthebest> I upgraded and it shows it for me as well rance
[02:27] <diomedes> was working fine when it first installed but gone now
[02:28] <rance> diomedes: I have to reselect my sound subsystem and unmute channels from time to time
[02:28] <rance> not sure why
[02:30] <WaltzingAlong> you have 7.10 but adept manager keeps reporting that an upgrade is available then asks to download 7.10 again? this issue is known and fixed in builds of adept but you need (currently) to enable gutsy-proposed (or adept/manage repositories/updates/pre-release updates but this only works if software-properties-kde is installed)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: might be best
[02:31] <diomedes> rance yeah in the mixer the volume was way way down
[02:35] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi > WaltzingAlong
[02:36] <Phil7> Well I'm going to see if I can get install to work
[02:37] <rance> its ok, its not that big a deal, I can wait till the adept update makes it public
[02:37] <Phil7> Bye everyone, thanks for the help.
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> !bz2
[02:38] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> ubotu: thanks, i love u.
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> lol
[02:40] <WaltzingAlong> rance: it is public, but still in gutsy-proposed (prerelease)
[02:40] <moparisthebest> dwidmann, this makes no sense apt-get remove knetworkmanager
[02:40] <moparisthebest> it removed it fine
[02:40] <moparisthebest> I restarted
[02:40] <moparisthebest> and knetworkmanager is still there :P
[02:41] <dwidmann> :s
[02:41] <dwidmann> Weird
[02:41] <moparisthebest> I removed network-manager-kde as well
[02:41] <moparisthebest> but knetworkmanager still starts up
[02:41] <dwidmann> Very, very weird
[02:41] <moparisthebest> I installed it through adept in feisty
[02:41] <BigPick> It just doesn't want to die.
[02:42] <dwidmann> It really, really should have been the network-manager-kde package
[02:43] <dwidmann> Perhaps just closing knetworkmanager, and running "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; sleep 5; sudo /etc/init.d/networking start" will work.
[02:43] <jarn> Should we remove the source for gutsy-proposed once we finish upgrading?
[02:43] <moparisthebest> ok, Im rebooting now so Ill see what happens
[02:43] <kubuntunewbie> !konsole
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> jarn: you could. sure
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> !info konsole
[02:43] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[02:44] <jarn> WaltzingAlong: Should I, though?
[02:44] <WaltzingAlong> sure
[02:44] <kubuntunewbie> waltz can u tell me the change directory commands and the view directory command?
[02:44] <LoneShadow> !codecs
[02:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:44] <dwidmann> jarn: probably should, should probably also add the -security, -updates, and -backports repositories.
[02:44] <jerbear> hi, where are the power management settings in kubuntu?
[02:45] <jarn> !source-o-matic
[02:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:45] <dwidmann> jerbear: in a program called guidance
[02:45] <jarn> dwidmann: Has source-o-matic been updated for gutsy?
[02:45] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: cd <dir>; ls; (though i find ls -lh helpful too)
[02:45] <WaltzingAlong> jarn: yeah
[02:45] <dwidmann> jerbear: if you h ave a laptop it'll be in the systray as the battery icon
[02:46] <dwidmann> jarn: dunno
[02:46] <jarn> WaltzingAlong: Nifty. thanks.
[02:46] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: whats the -lh do?
[02:46] <dwidmann> jarn: I could just pastebin you mine if you'd like
[02:46] <Dagon> I am new to Kubuntu. Where do I find synaptic and how do I make add/remove program to move faster
[02:46] <WaltzingAlong> long and with human readable sizes
[02:46] <jerbear> dwidmann: i see the icon, i don't see where to get to the settings, though
[02:46] <WaltzingAlong> Dagon: adept manager is the 'synatpic' of kubuntu
[02:46] <moparisthebest> Dagon, kubuntu's replacement for synaptic is adept manager
[02:46] <kubuntunewbie> is there a way to change to the dir without typing the entire patn name?
[02:46] <jerbear> i'm trying to make it so that the laptop suspends when i close the lid
[02:46] <dwidmann> jerbear: just click on the icon
[02:47] <moparisthebest> you can install synaptic through that if you prefer it though Dagon
[02:47] <jerbear> oh... oops :)
[02:47] <jerbear> brb
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> hopefully ;)
[02:48] <jarn> dwidmann: Sure, that would be nifty, thanks. :)
[02:48] <muchanic> kubuntunewbie: tab completion ftw
[02:48] <dwidmann> jarn: just a sec then
[02:48] <lovre> where can i get emerald themes for download
[02:48] <moparisthebest> works now dwidmann, even though I am entirely confused :P
[02:48] <moparisthebest> thanks for the suggestion
[02:52] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: yeah, it's related to an odd bug, I'll see if I can't look up the solution if there was one, I know it was on the kubuntu forums
[02:52] <miles_> is anyone in here experienced with moto4lin?
[02:53] <MilesG> edenbeast: are you still in here?
[02:53] <dwidmann> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41879/
[02:53] <moparisthebest> I never really used knetworkmanager anyhow, it doesn't matter really
[02:53] <edenbeast> MilesG I don't have a motorola phone yet, sorry :-)
[02:53] <jarn> dwidmann: Thanks, I"ll look at it once I have a working internet browser. :P
[02:53] <dwidmann> jarn: how'd you break 'em?
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Broke in the update process.
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Konqueror did, anyway.
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Firefox didn't seem to want to upgrade at the same time I was upgrading the rest so I just uninstalled that and plan on reinstalling it once the rest of the upgrade finish.
[02:55] <dwidmann> Now I'm just downright impatient. I ordered myself gutsy DVDs yesterday ... now I have to wait for them to get here. Oh well, could have been worse, I could have tried to download the ISOs ...
[02:56] <jarn> You could have tried the net install and gotten screwed.
[02:56] <jarn> I'm hoping everything comes out alright.
[02:57] <dwidmann> jarn: I've been upgrading my laptop to it since gutsy tribe 5, but I've got a stack of reasons to reinstall when I get my hands on the DVD
[02:57] <jarn> dwidmann: How much are the DVDs?
[02:58] <dwidmann> Umm, I think they were $5.95 each + shipping, so I got one of the x86 and one of the x86_64 ... and I'll just burn copies from there as neede.d
[02:58] <jarn> Ah.
[02:59] <kubuntunewbie> !info makefile
[02:59] <ubotu> Package makefile does not exist in gutsy
[02:59] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me the extension of a makefile so i can find it
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: They don't have one, I don't think.
[03:00] <kubuntunewbie> jarn: how is your name green?
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: Because I'm a god. :)
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: Actually, I have no idea why my name shows up as green to you.
[03:01] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: Konversation auto-colors nicks so you can easily tell who says what
[03:01] <jarn> Woah, that's weird, it doesn't do that for me - did I turn that feature off and forget?
[03:01] <jarn> lol
[03:02] <xevious> jarn: Settings -> Configure Konversation, Interface -> Colors, ensure "Colored Nicks" is checked
[03:03] <Alethes> any idea why I get "Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0" when I use compiz --replace?
[03:04] <jarn> xevious: I don't want it, I just don't recall turning it off.
[03:04] <dwidmann> jarn: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/kubuntu
[03:04] <jtmoney> i don't get it... is there anyway to install mythtv using mythbuntu (added to my kubuntu installation) without xfce being installed?
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: im not doing well with installing quanta
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwid i downloaded it and am reading the install instructions
[03:05] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: do tell, what's going wrong?
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: but i cant 'make' it
[03:05] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: all you should need to do is "sudo apt-get install quanta"
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: lets see if that works
[03:06] <WaltzingAlong> jtmoney: maybe mythbuntu package requires xfce?
[03:06] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: you don't need to compile it, it's in the ubuntu repositories, precompiled.
[03:06] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: oh god, that makes things easy!
[03:06] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: i will learn how to do it the hard way later. thanks.
[03:06] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: or K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs then search for it -- does the same thing as sudo apt-get install quanta, which i suppose is much more direct than a bunch of clicking
[03:07] <hydrogen> not to mention add/remove programs didn't show all programs
[03:07] <hydrogen> last time i checked
[03:07] <xevious> well Adept Manager does
[03:07] <jarn> I'm convinced that apt-get upgrade should have a progress bar. -.-
[03:07] <dwidmann> xevious: which is exactly why I said that rather than typing out long winded instructions of how to get there in the gui ...
[03:07] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: always search for programs in Adept Manager before downloading source packages and compiling. most apps are available in the kubuntu repositories
[03:08] <kubuntunewbie> xevious: but are they always up to date?
[03:08] <xevious> dwidmann: apt-get install [package] is great if you know the package name
[03:08] <dwidmann> xevious, kubuntunewbie: or even in third party repositories
[03:08] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: usually they're rather up to date
[03:08] <xevious> dwidmann: thanks for the correction
[03:08] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: most often when they're not up to date it's because the more recent versions may not be as stable
[03:09] <kubuntunewbie> well whats the deal with third party repos? can u trust them?
[03:09] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: worst case scanario, the software might be 6 months old, seeing as a new (k)ubuntu is released every six months.
[03:09] <Zerothis> I upgraded Edgy to Feisty. It shows a new kubuntu logo. Takes a looong time to boot. It didn't boot to KDE. would not 'startx' and asked me to dpkg configure. I did, it still boots to tty and won't startx. nothing for console that's graphical seems to run (dosbox, exult, etc). My users and files are still intact.
[03:11] <jerbear> does kubuntu have anything like pam_keyring?
[03:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hello i have a question im going to reinstall my windows and keep kubuntu on my othewr harddrive but GRUB is on my windows harddrive since its the primary harddrive the question is is how do i keep GRUB on windows harddrive without deleting it
[03:11] <yotux> anyone offer help getting nic working?
[03:14] <navets> how do you turn on compiz
[03:14] <hydrogen> !compiz | navets
[03:14] <ubotu> navets: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:14] <navets> thanks
[03:15] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hello i have a question im going to reinstall my windows and keep kubuntu on my othewr harddrive but GRUB is on my windows harddrive since its the primary harddrive the question is is how do i keep GRUB on windows harddrive without deleting it
[03:15] <yotux> Atom1cbomb3r:  windows will rewrite the MBR
[03:15] <yotux> you can not stop that
[03:16] <yotux> After you intall windows you can reinstall GRUB
[03:16] <yotux> I use knoppix when I need to restore Grub the the MBR
[03:16] <WaltzingAlong> !grub
[03:16] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:17] <WaltzingAlong> Zerothis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[03:17] <yotux> Thankz WaltzingAlong
[03:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after installing windows how do i reinstall grub?
[03:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> from the gutsy disk
[03:18] <Zerothis> Walt: ok, doing now
[03:18] <aabbc1> d ctgrtgrfvtgbhuyju
[03:18] <yotux> !gurb
[03:18] <tehk> How do you disable KOrganizer Reminder from loading with kontact
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gurb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <yotux> !grub
[03:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:19] <yotux> anyone recommend a 100mb nic?
[03:19] <yotux> sorry 1000MB
[03:19] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: when i  assigned partitions for my computer i designated 10 gigs to the root folder and 70 gigs to another linux partition.  when i install things they go to the 10 gig drive is there a way to assign it to go to my 70 gig part?
[03:20] <alirio> buenas
[03:20] <alirio> necesito una ayuda con respecto a la instalacion de kubuntu
[03:20] <alirio> ????
[03:21] <jerbear> is there a way to have the kde wallet use my login password so i don't have to type it in?
[03:21] <hydrogen> kubuntunewbie: make the 70g the root partition
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after installing windows how do i reinstall grub?
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> from the gutsy disk
[03:21] <aabbc1> o
[03:21] <alirio> hello, somebodys knows spike spanidh?
[03:21] <alirio> somebody
[03:22] <alirio> spanish
[03:22] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: will i lose the programs i have already installed?
[03:22] <dwidmann> !es | alirio
[03:22] <ubotu> alirio: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:22] <Zerothis> WaltzingAlong: ok, done. custom xorg.cfg overwritten
[03:22] <hydrogen> kubuntunewbie: mm, you won't lose them.. but things would get kind of messed up if you just switched roots
[03:22] <alirio> gracias ubotu
[03:23] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: is it possible to re-allocate more space to my 10g part?
[03:23] <hydrogen> sometimes
[03:23] <hydrogen> theres not an easy way
[03:23] <jerbear> how does everyone else do it, just enter your password twice?
[03:23] <jerbear> gnome had libpam-keyring
[03:23] <hydrogen> I think you can set the wallet password to be blank
[03:23] <hydrogen> don't quote me on it!
[03:24] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: there was a program that i was using initially that came with 7.10 boot cd
[03:24] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: happen to know the name?
[03:25] <hydrogen> qtparted
[03:25] <hydrogen> however
[03:25] <hydrogen> that just resizes partitions, you would need to resize the filesystem after
[03:25] <jerbear> hydrogen: yeh, i read that you could do that... i'm assuming that's highly insecure?
[03:25] <hydrogen> and it gets kind of dicey there
[03:25] <hydrogen> I think
[03:25] <hydrogen> jerbear: not really... kwallet only starts after you log in
[03:26] <dwidmann> hydrogen: you can, but that wouldn't be a particularly secure thing to do, you can also set it so it will only ask you once per session, to close the wallet when you go to screensaver and/or after a timeout, &c
[03:26] <jerbear> hydrogen: what kind of encryption does kwallet use?
[03:26] <hydrogen> dwidmann: it would be just as secure as the way gnome apparently does it
[03:26] <jerbear> hydrogen: or does it?
[03:26] <hydrogen> jerbear: not sure on that
[03:26] <hydrogen> i'd assume it does
[03:26] <dwidmann> jerbear: it does, but I don't know what
[03:26] <hydrogen> but i don't know
[03:27] <jerbear> but if it doesn't have a password, wouldn't that mean that it's essentially unencrypted?
[03:27] <aabbc1> hjgjk
[03:28] <aabbc1> fgjhfg
[03:28] <hydrogen> !gibberish | aabbc1
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gibberish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <jarn> !source-o-matic
[03:28] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:28] <dwidmann> jerbear: no, it would just mean that it's encrypted in a rather insecure way, kind of like ascii armor or something
[03:29] <dwidmann> (though with real encryption)
[03:31] <kubuntunewbie> !info kimagemapeditor
[03:31] <ubotu> kimagemapeditor: HTML image map editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 316 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[03:33] <moparisthebest> 2.6.22-14-generic is the latest gutsy kernel for amd64 correct?
[03:35] <djtigerwolf> hi
[03:35] <Zerothis> WaltzingAlong: well i rebooted, computer froze. after restart I'm back to the same problem as before.
[03:35] <djtigerwolf> wireless help needed
[03:36] <djtigerwolf> wireless linksys usb
[03:36] <moparisthebest> you are going to have to be more specific than that djtigerwolf
[03:36] <djtigerwolf> and the setting change on me
[03:36] <lovre> how to make something load on startup? (for example compiz)
[03:36] <begert_> anyone here use sshfs?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> what is it doing djtigerwolf ?
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> i have to manualy configure it for the router
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> alisa is the setting
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> i think
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> some thing like it
[03:38] <djtigerwolf> then the setting changes to a wep
[03:38] <jimmydee> lovre: create a startup script in the init.d directory
[03:39] <djtigerwolf> and alisa is the proper setting but the system rejects it ither the router or the pc
[03:39] <jimmydee> or in the case of my sound I slid it in rc.local
[03:39] <Zerothis> "failed to load modual "nvidia" (modual does not exist, 0)" <- could that be the problem? (or is it a symptom)
[03:39] <djtigerwolf> festive faun i have no problems
[03:40] <djtigerwolf> gutsy the problem happens
[03:40] <dwidmann> I founnnnnnnnnnd it :D
[03:41] <dwidmann> jerbear, hydrogen - http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pc1jDrPX6goJ:events.kde.org/info/kastle/presentations/kwallet-kastle-2003.ps+what+encryption+does+kwallet+use&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=opera
[03:41] <djtigerwolf> if i could get 7.4 settings on 7.10 i could probly work unless major changes were made
[03:41] <Gul_Dukat> hello all
[03:41] <jimmydee> good evening you kardassian dog
[03:41] <djtigerwolf> hi
[03:42] <Gul_Dukat> are there some kubuntu specialist?
[03:42] <t3h0wner2> No.
[03:42] <dwidmann> I reckon us people that run it are going to be as close as you're going to get Gul_Dukat
[03:42] <jimmydee> we should be able to work something out Gul
[03:42] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i wish i had a XP install disk so i could play games
[03:43] <jimmydee> want some wine with that cheese?
[03:43] <djtigerwolf> lol
[03:43] <djtigerwolf> free download
[03:43] <jarn> Has koffice gained enough compatibility yet that I can dump the bloated nastiness that is OO.o?
[03:43] <dwidmann> jarn: maybe, see for yourself, I wouldn't count on compatibility with MS Office.
[03:43] <Jucato> jarn: I wish... but MS Office compatibility isn't high on the todo list yet
[03:44] <jarn> Jucato: Ah, that's a shame.
[03:44] <teeahr1_> Pretty much.  I find more problems going from KOffice - OOo or vice versa than with either of them and MS Office.
[03:44] <jimmydee> jucato: crossover
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> to much money
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> for me
[03:44] <dwidmann> Jucato, jarn: heard it'd be really, really hard to pull the support out of Openoffice
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> wine and wine doors
[03:44] <jarn> Jucato: MS Office compatibility is something I need when I'm writing college admissions essays... don't find a lot of admissions offices using Koffice... lol
[03:45] <jimmydee> jarn: send em pdf's
[03:45] <Jucato> jarn: hopefully KOffice 2 will solve that... :)
[03:45]  * n8k99 uses Koffice for college
[03:45] <Jucato> jarn: although the way KOffice saves .doc is to actually save them as RTF and rename them as .doc
[03:45]  * hydrogen uses vim + texlive to write papers
[03:45] <hydrogen> but i'm a traditionalist!
[03:46] <jarn> n8k99: I need to give the document to others.
[03:46] <jarn> n8k99: For my own use I do use Koffice. :P
[03:46] <dwidmann> Well, koffice defaults to Oasis, so with any luck things written with koffice will start becoming more acceptable within the next ten years eh?
[03:46]  * Jucato is lucky to not to have to right papers lately
[03:46]  * hydrogen isn't
[03:46] <hydrogen> well
[03:46] <Jucato> hydrogen: :P
[03:46]  * hydrogen is lucky enough to be able to write lots of papers lately
[03:46] <dwidmann> assuming M$ doesn't manage to crash that party, anyhow.
[03:46]  * n8k99 goes to school online so all documents have to go to others
[03:47] <hydrogen> dwidmann: if they don't o$ x will..
[03:47] <dwidmann> hydrogen: who really cares what worm infested apples have to say about things?
[03:47] <Gul_Dukat> i tried to Upgrade from Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn to Kubuntu 7.10 - Gutsy Gibbon. The first 3 steps of the Upgrade program did work OK. (1. Preparing the upgrade, 2. Modifying the software channels, 3. Fetching the upgrades). But after the download was finish the upgrade program just suddently closed. Any ideas?
[03:47] <djtigerwolf> back to wireless problems
[03:47] <teeahr1_> jarn: export to pdf
[03:48] <jimmydee> Gul_Dukat: try dpkg --configure -a
[03:48] <jimmydee> errr sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:48] <jarn> jimmydee, teeahr1_: PDF is actually a good idea... I should have thought of that. :/ Thanks!
[03:49] <Gul_Dukat> the last 3 steps did not run. no install, no cleaning up, no restart
[03:49] <jimmydee> *BOW*
[03:49] <djtigerwolf> running ubuntu 7.4 (running now) and kubuntu 7.10 (no connection to internet)
[03:50] <teeahr1_> gul_dukat: I've been having similar problems.  Known bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/adept/+bug/153889
[03:51] <djtigerwolf> if i cant get 7.10 working im going to another system till i get a newer pc
[03:51] <Gul_Dukat> teeahr1_: known bug? und what you did?
[03:51] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:51] <hydrogen> djtigerwolf: why not keep using 7.04?}
[03:51] <jimmydee> I had gutsy working pre release just by changing all the feisty's to gutsy's in sources.list and doing the upgrade
[03:52] <lovre> how do i run superkaramba on system start?
[03:52] <jimmydee> lovre: put the command in rc.local
[03:52] <djtigerwolf> its getting to the point of out of date  and some of the repositories are not working any morew
[03:52] <hydrogen> !autostart | lovre
[03:52] <ubotu> lovre: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:52] <hydrogen> jimmydee: its an x program.. that doesn't make sense
[03:53] <djtigerwolf> cant get beryl
[03:53] <jimmydee> it comes in AFTER gdm or kdm run
[03:53] <djtigerwolf> or wine
[03:53] <hydrogen> dthacker: it isn't out of date.. enable backports and you will have versions for another eighteen months or so
[03:53] <hydrogen> jimmydee: you want it to run after you log in thoguh
[03:53] <jimmydee> point, I'm tired
[03:53] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:54] <helloyo> anyone know when the kopete/msn bug is getting a fix?
[03:54] <teeahr1_> gul_dukate: nothing yet.  I'm at 7.10 on my system, but the upgrade program still wants to upgrade every time i run adept.  but i upgraded from the rc.  different people have been reporting different things.
[03:54] <djtigerwolf> how do i do that
[03:54] <dwidmann> helloyo: it was fixed the day before release, I guess it just didnt' get pressed into the release (it was too late by then)
[03:54] <helloyo> dwidmann: ah, i see, but it should be in the updates soon right?
[03:55] <lovre> !autorun
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <dwidmann> check out the kubuntu site for details, I'm pretty sure he left a couple links on there for the fixed packages.
[03:55] <jimmydee> I think I'll take my one backup machine to 7.10 right now
[03:55] <lovre> !autostart
[03:55] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:55] <MarcC> Konqueror is suddenly taking *forever* to move files to the recycle bin - anybody else experience this before?
[03:56] <Gul_Dukat> teeahr1_: the problem is my upgrade did never run. the upgrade program just stopped in the middle... after downloading packages so i still have 7.04 i think...
[03:56] <teeahr1_> marcc: always.
[03:56]  * dwidmann sees no_recylce bin_
[03:56] <jimmydee> gul_dukat exit adept and goto terminal, then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:56] <helloyo> dwidmann: thanks
[03:56] <MarcC> teeahr1_: ok, mine just started doing it, so I guess I'll restart to confirm the behavior
[03:56] <djtigerwolf> backports were?
[03:56] <djtigerwolf> looking but not finding
[03:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> does anybody know of a recent version of americas army working on linuxc
[03:57] <Gul_Dukat> jimmydee: what this excatly do? this will continue the upgrade?
[03:57] <teeahr1_> gul_dukat: you can check by hitting f1 and looking at "about kubuntu"
[03:57] <teeahr1_> marcc: since 7.04 at least, i can't confirm any earlier than that.
[03:57] <jimmydee> yessir it should continue the upgrade
[03:57] <LinuxReign> i think Americas Amry developers wont support the Linux version anymore, google it :P
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> oh techmology!
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> !info techmology
[03:58] <ubotu> Package techmology does not exist in gutsy
[03:58] <MarcC> teeahr1_: thanks
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> ubotu claims gusty has no techmology.
[03:59] <jimmydee> but I'm a Techmishion
[03:59] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:59] <lovre> superkaramba is not showing items i installed, and now i cant isnstall them anymore because they are checked as installed. But they dont appear in the list
[04:00] <lovre> i reinstalled superkaramba but it remembered what was installed. Is there a configuration file somewhere, that i could edit perhaps?
[04:01] <teeahr1_> lovre: search for a folder named "superkaramba" it might be /home/you/.superkaramba or it might be in /home/you/.kde i don't remember which
[04:01] <teeahr1_> lovre: it'll be in home, at any rate
[04:01] <moparisthebest> is there any way I can check what modules I have loaded?
[04:01] <lovre> i found it at home/me/.superkaramba
[04:01] <moparisthebest> kernel modules
[04:02] <Zerothis> well, i decided to try 'startx' again to see more of the errors and in magically worked. no to do the whole thing again for gusty
[04:02] <teeahr1_> lovre: just delete it
[04:02] <MarcC> location of KDE trash folder?
[04:02] <lovre> teeahr1_: everything?
[04:02] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:03] <kubuntunewbie> !info openhackware
[04:03] <ubotu> Package openhackware does not exist in gutsy
[04:03] <teeahr1_> lovre: that's the config folder for superkaramba, so deleting it should just be like starting over.  another thing you could have done was select "purge package" instead of "uninstall"
[04:04] <lovre> i see
[04:04] <MarcC> I have two folders inside of .Trash: "files" and "info". Is it ok to delete both of these, or should I delete only the files inside "files"?
[04:04] <lovre> teeahr1_: in adept manager?
[04:04] <teeahr1_> lovre: correct, sorry should have clarified
[04:04] <lovre> teeahr1_: thank you very much, no need to appologise :D
[04:05] <LinuxReign> any have apollon running correctly with the ares plugin?
[04:05] <LinuxReign> anyone*
[04:05] <lovre> teeahr1_: i dont see purge package anywhere
[04:06] <teeahr1_> lovre: right-click on the package name in adept
[04:06] <LinuxReign> purge is not a package its an option to uninstall packages
[04:06] <lovre> LinuxReign: i know, but i dont see that option, not even when i click right.click on package
[04:07] <lovre> oh, i see now
[04:07] <LinuxReign> humm
[04:07] <lovre> sorry
[04:07] <lovre> im dumb :D
[04:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> does anybody know of a recent version of americas army working on linuxc
[04:07] <teeahr1_> no problem :)
[04:07] <LinuxReign> u r not, the worst question is the one that is never asked :P
[04:08] <lovre> :)
[04:08] <lovre> i cant believe there are actually ppl in the world that want to help...... thats weird :D
[04:10] <jimmydee> ok samba related question, I can see the share but I cant authenticate from my windoze box
[04:10] <lovre> hmm, having trouble with superkaramba again, that didnt help. Is there any other widget software i could use?
[04:10] <NickPresta> lovre, what's your SK problem?
[04:10] <robin_> hello, I just installed kubuntu. I see my ntfs partition but whe ni click on the drive the windwo that pops up is emply, how can i fix this?
[04:11] <lovre> NickPresta: i install a widget, and it doesnt appear in the list, but it checks as installed.
[04:11] <jimmydee> is it against the "rules" to run konqueror as root?
[04:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: is your CPU running at 100%
[04:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: nvm
[04:11] <lovre> AT0M1CB0MB3R: i suppose no, how can i check
[04:12] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: never mind
[04:12] <lovre> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ok
[04:12] <lovre> NickPresta: you got any idea?
[04:13] <NickPresta> lovre, where are you installing the package from? Could there be a strange permissions problem?
[04:13] <lovre> im installing a package from the SK main window. There is a button called New Stuff.... i click it and install
[04:13] <lovre> NickPresta: ^^
[04:14] <iobelisk> hi, i was just wondering what docks do most of you use?
[04:14] <NickPresta> lovre, I mean, where is the "new stuff" package? Is it owned by you?
[04:15] <lovre> NickPresta: i download it from the internet. Im not following you.
[04:16] <tds> anyone recommend python as a first language?
[04:16]  * NickPresta raises hand
[04:17] <NickPresta> tds, it is a powerful, versatile, and friendly language for anyone at any level. It's a great beginner's language, I feel.
[04:18] <NickPresta> tds, if you head to #kubuntu-offtopic, I can explain in greater detail and/or provide some beginner information
[04:18] <BigPick> I highly recomend Java as a first language.
[04:18] <tds> ok, going
[04:19] <needles> BigPick: what about python?
[04:21] <BigPick> I love python for certain functionality like how it handles data types, but I prefer the more traditional syntax of Java.
[04:22] <BigPick> But then again I'm a C\LASM zealot so I'm more than a little nuts.
[04:24] <needles> BigPick: im not programmer, but what can you do with java?
[04:25] <t3h0wner2> Anything.
[04:25] <needles> it seems limited in that you need a runtime environment to use it
[04:25] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:25] <t3h0wner2> Um.... you kind of need a runtime envir for anything you program
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> You need .net framework for anything .net oriented (C#, etc.)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> I though that was sort of the point of java. You had a virtualmachne/runtime that was  what you programed for.. t
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> if written in cygwin, you need those libs
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> etc etc
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> everything needs "something" in order to run
[04:26] <needles> t3h0wner2: yeah
[04:26] <BigPick> The runtime environment is a major drawback.
[04:26] <needles> what would you suggest someone new to programming learn?
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> C.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> or a major feature. :)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> Depends on how NEW 'new' is :)
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> Definitely C.
[04:27] <needles> i attempted to learn python, but didnt get very far
[04:27] <BigPick> But in terms of a first language I would have to say Java or C
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> It doesn't matter how new you are, that's the best one to start off with, by far.
[04:27] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i run a .run file?
[04:27]  * needles shivers at the mention of learning the C syntax
[04:27] <Dr_willis> If you coulden handle the basics of Python.. well....
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> Eh, you'll get over it quickly enough. ;)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  chmod +x whatever.run   ./whatever.run
[04:28] <needles> yeah, i was just looking at it though
[04:28] <BigPick> I would recomend java because you get alot of experience in Object Oriented Programming.
[04:28] <needles> not seriously attempting anything
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> Whatever you do, do not begin with VB, or any ofrm of object oriented language first
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i run a .run file? thats on my desktop
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> it will fuck you over something fierce later on if you do decide to learn /real/ languages
[04:28] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  use thje shell.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  chmod +x whatever.run   ./whatever.run
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ./blah.run
[04:28] <moparisthebest> Java or C++, a new programmer really shouldn't start out with C
[04:28] <needles> t3h0wner2: you just said the opposite of BigPick
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> t3h0wner2: your going to get kicked
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> moparisthebest: C++ wil generate bad habits
[04:29] <BigPick> Not C++
[04:29] <MurielGodoi> needles: my firsr language was lisp :)
[04:29] <moparisthebest> how do you figure?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Comal ! :)
[04:29] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Why?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Every language teaches you bad habbits in one form or another.
[04:29] <needles> t3h0wner2: i think because of bad language
[04:29] <BigPick> there is a major reason why the College board classes, and all of the OOP classes at my college have switched to java
[04:29]  * Dr_willis learned programing on a C64
[04:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !ohmy | t3h0wner2
[04:29] <ubotu> t3h0wner2: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:30] <t3h0wner2> So many tears, sorry for offending the yougens.
[04:30] <moparisthebest> OOP is what you should start out with (and try to stick with)
[04:30] <NickPresta> at the risk of being disliked, !offtopic
[04:30] <BigPick> My first language was MASM assembler, I have to say that it is much harder to go from procedural to OOP then OOP to procedural
[04:30] <NickPresta> and moparisthebest sticking with one tool for every job is silly :)
[04:30] <moparisthebest> OOP is not one tool is it? ;)
[04:30] <t3h0wner2> BigPick: haha
[04:31] <BigPick> It just means Object Oriented Programming, sorry that was confusing
[04:31] <kubuntunewbie> its a little ironic that the liberals that support open source software cant handle a little foul lang.
[04:31] <needles> it just seems like alot of things are written in python and perl, and ive read that they are convenient and easy to learn compared to C, so thats what I looked at
[04:31] <MurielGodoi> needles: for a complete combination you should get one for each paradigm: ansi C, java, lisp, prolog cover that
[04:31]  * genii sips a coffee
[04:31] <Dr_willis> Python is to handy to not learn :)
[04:31] <t3h0wner2> I agree with MurielGodoi
[04:31] <needles> kubuntunewbie: its just to keep things at a healthy medium
[04:31] <BigPick> Oh yes, you should eventually expand into a number of languages.
[04:32] <moparisthebest> but learn one first I would say, learn it well
[04:32] <t3h0wner2> C, ASM, Perl, PHP
[04:32] <moparisthebest> then the rest will just be syntax differences for the most part
[04:32] <kubuntunewbie> needles: still a tad ironic. just thought id throw that out there.
[04:32] <BigPick> I went from ASM -> Java -> C -> Python
[04:32] <needles> kubuntunewbie: it is, true
[04:32] <t3h0wner2> I like that combo, especially if you are training to be a "security specialist" of some sort
[04:32] <BigPick> Trust me, java is much easier on a new programmer.
[04:32] <moparisthebest> I went C++ > Java > C++ > C
[04:32] <moparisthebest> I still like Java best
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> That's why high schools always start off with java
[04:33] <BigPick> Ditto.
[04:33] <moparisthebest> and it is easiest on the new programmer
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> and in college, they always start off with C
[04:33] <needles> how long did it take you guys to get down your first language and comfortably create something
[04:33] <genii> Once you learn 1 well thought out language, others are a breeze to pick up. there's only so many basic functions at the core of them.
[04:33]  * needles looks up a few ebooks on java
[04:33] <moparisthebest> t3h0wner2, my college starts off with Java
[04:33] <Dr_willis> I Had high school classes on C64, and in college.. used fortran and rexx :)
[04:33] <moparisthebest> in high school I took C++
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> moparisthebest: Really? For Informatics majors, they don't.
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> Lucky, I wish they had offered classes like that in my school
[04:33] <moparisthebest> all CSA classes here are Java
[04:34] <moparisthebest> with 2 exceptions
[04:34] <BigPick> It took me months just to understand most of the peculiarities of C dynamic memory allocation.
[04:34] <moparisthebest> C++ for graphics
[04:34] <moparisthebest> and C for operating systems
[04:34] <MurielGodoi> BigPick: my brazilian college starts off with Scheme (like lisp)
[04:34] <BigPick> We start out with C here first, then go to Java, Java replaced C++ is what I originally meant.
[04:34] <MurielGodoi> BigPick: that was excelent to understand recursive funtions :)
[04:34] <needles> id never heard of lisp until a month or two ago
[04:35] <needles> im a mechanical engineering major, so i dont really have to learn programming, but im delving into it a bit
[04:35] <BigPick> I tutor students in both C and Java, trying to explain wild pointers to someone who barely knows what a function is, is not my idea of fun.
[04:35] <BigPick> I'm a computer engineering major.
[04:35] <needles> BigPick: doesnt sound fun
[04:35] <moparisthebest> needles, my first java book is at moparisthebest.com/java
[04:36] <BigPick> But I passed out of all required programming courses :)
[04:36] <moparisthebest> hehe, needles I was a mechanical engineering major too, then I dabbled with programming and later switched majors, be careful :P
[04:36] <jhutchins_x> needles, Clcks are an instance of mechanical programming.  So are jaquard looms, which led to hollerith cards.
[04:36] <needles> BigPick: i considered electrical engineering (which is somewhat computer engineering where im at)
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> informatics
[04:36] <needles> but it seemed like alot more work, alot alot more work
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> oops
[04:36] <moparisthebest> and now I have to go another semester because of the switch :(
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> wrong window
[04:36] <BigPick> Yeah, electrical and computer are basically the same here now.
[04:37] <MurielGodoi> needles: In true, There isn't the best one to start. It depends on tour goals with programming
[04:37] <jhutchins_x> sry, clocks
[04:37] <BigPick> I like helping with the linux kernel, mainly wireless drivers, so knowing C was a big priority for me.
[04:37] <needles> MurielGodoi: yeah
[04:38] <MurielGodoi> I'll defend my master thesis in computer science next week :/
[04:38] <BigPick> But when I write user-based programs (a couple for streaming media) I like Java (except the damned JMF which should be deprecated)
[04:38] <needles> moparisthebest: ill check the ebook out
[04:38] <BigPick> Sweet! What is your thesis Muriel?
[04:38] <needles> MurielGodoi: good luck
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> I defend my reasoning for rewriting strstr(); tomorrow for my prof, he doesn't like my methods apparently
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> bah
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> and making it my own function
[04:39] <keaton> My computer is BONED. I tried to install 7.10 through adept, it locked up, and now X won't start, apt-get won't run (it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a, when I do that it gives me a parsing error)
[04:39] <MurielGodoi> needles: thanks... i will need :)
[04:39] <needles> keaton: i had that exact same problem last night
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> he didn't want us to literlly use "strstr" function, so... I wrote my own, new function that was similar to it
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> lol
[04:39] <needles> keaton: i never got it solved, and now by kernel wont even boot
[04:39] <keaton> I also got a segmentation fault when I tried to manually start X.
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> I can write in English, awesome.
[04:40] <scheater6> needles: o. there's good news!
[04:40] <BigPick> I wrote my own version of C strings that uses Java Strings as an abstract :)
[04:40] <keaton> I think someone made a biiiiig fuck up with the latest version of X.
[04:40] <t3h0wner2> BigPick: lol, nice
[04:40] <needles> keaton: i said screw it, and am on livecd right now trying to fix things
[04:40] <scheater6> keaton: alright, I dunno if I can help you, but maybe we can brainstorm some troubleshooting?
[04:40] <MurielGodoi> changing the subject, I'm downloading ubuntu dvd image by torrent,  but it is slow here. Any1 else is facing the same?
[04:41] <scheater6> keaton: can you get to a terminal?
[04:41] <BigPick> blerg wrong button
[04:41] <needles> scheater6: there has to be away around it, some of us who tried to upgrade got screwed big time
[04:41] <keaton> Yeah, this is BitchX. :P
[04:41] <MurielGodoi> !language | keaton
[04:41] <ubotu> keaton: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:41] <LoneShadow> !realplayer
[04:41] <LoneShadow> !realplay
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realplay - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <LoneShadow> Hi, anyone know how to play .rmvb files ?
[04:41] <needles> MurielGodoi: thats the name of his irc client
[04:41] <BigPick> I'm currently working on a fix for the update-manager package. But since I am not an official developer its been impossible to get any response.
[04:42] <BDDF> LoneShadow: mplayer
[04:42] <keaton> needles: I dropped the F-bomb too. :B
[04:42] <needles> keaton: oh, didnt see it
[04:42] <dennister> needles: did you ever get ur cfs issue resolved? has your gutsy upgrade completed?
[04:42] <scheater6> keaton: can ya get to a terminal?
[04:42] <LoneShadow> BDDF, where do I get the codecs to play it? I already tried with mplayer
[04:42] <needles> dennister: no, i didnt
[04:42] <keaton> scheater6: yeah, I'm in one right now, that's how I'm talking to you guys.
[04:42] <needles> dennister: im on livecd now running through my options
[04:43] <MurielGodoi> needles: what? Each one in this channel can be using a different irc client
[04:43] <BDDF> mplayerhq.hu?
[04:43] <BDDF> I think ...
[04:43] <needles> MurielGodoi: nvm, misread something
[04:43] <dennister> hmmm...sorry to hear that
[04:43] <scheater6> keaton: lol - I should have known.  alright, well, how important are the files on your computer?
[04:43] <BDDF> how did you install your mplayer?
[04:43] <needles> dennister: im thinking about just reformatting that partition and installing gutsy from livecd
[04:43] <godfodder> does anyone know how to create a grub boot loader?
[04:43] <LoneShadow> BDDF: hmm, so what happened to automatix or something to install missing codecs automatically, or we are not there yet ?
[04:43] <keaton> scheater6: I can't lose my stuff, it would take months to get it all back.
[04:43] <needles> i didnt have too much invested in it, though i need to move a few files off of it, before i do
[04:44] <dennister> needles: that might be the fastest way to fix things
[04:44] <godfodder> i have the text file but i forget how to name it
[04:44] <needles> dennister: yeah, because it is really fubar'd
[04:44] <scheater6> keaton: do you have an external, or second harddrive?
[04:44] <dennister> you could but ur head against the wall from here to doomsday...that's easy to do
[04:44] <genii> menu.lst ?
[04:44] <BDDF> LoneShadow: I dunno ...
[04:44] <keaton> scheater6: Does a 2 gig flash drive count? :/
[04:44] <BDDF> lemme check what I have somewhere
[04:44] <godfodder> thanks genii i think thats it
[04:44] <Dr_willis> godfodder,  sudo update-grub
[04:45] <LoneShadow> BDDF: thanks anyway :)
[04:45] <scheater6> keaton: not unless you could get everything important on it.  I'm thinking about just bypassing the whole problem and doing a fresh install - considering options of saving your data
[04:45] <needles> how do you access your hd from livecd? i get "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999"
[04:45] <godfodder> i need to put it in my usb flashdrive so i can install xp and then reboot ubuntu
[04:45] <godfodder> xp will overwrite the mbr
[04:45] <BDDF> LoneShadow: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/27/how-to-play-rmvb-files-in-ubuntu/
[04:46] <scheater6> needles: try going through system settings/kcontrol and going to filesystems and enabling it there
[04:46] <dennister> needles: just go to gnome's places, computer, and mount the hdd you see there
[04:46] <Dr_willis> this is #kubuntu :)
[04:47] <scheater6> keaton: how much freespace do you have on this harddrive?  Could you make a partition out of the free space and mirror your data there?
[04:48] <dennister> is there a kubuntu livecd? i thought they were all ubuntu/gnome-based
[04:48] <MurielGodoi> keaton: you can create a partition and mount /home there. It make much more easier to you do new clean installs
[04:48] <Dr_willis> dennister,  yes thers a kubuntu livecd.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and a xubuntu livecd
[04:48] <scheater6> dennister: yup yup yup - kubuntu, xubuntu
[04:48] <needles> dennister: no, there is
[04:48] <keaton> scheater6: I'm not sure... You know any way I can check through command line?
[04:48] <needles> soon to be fluxbuntu
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and Mythbuntu
[04:48] <MurielGodoi> keaton: df
[04:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anybody wanna create LFS with me?
[04:49] <needles> scheater6: enable is grayed out, i can seem to do it
[04:49] <scheater6> keaton: hmmm...I'm not sure.  you can try "parted" - but it's a full blown weapon of mass destruction
[04:49] <dennister> well, needles now has 2 methods to choose from to access his hdd from livecd, depending on which livecd he has :)
[04:49] <hydrogen> lfs is stupid.
[04:49] <scheater6> needles: try adminstrator mode, or "kdesu kcontrol"
[04:49] <keaton> brb
[04:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hydrogen: i would learn alot from it
[04:49] <needles> im on kubuntu 7.10 livecd
[04:49] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: then feel free to waste a good deal of your time only to give up and come back
[04:50] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: its your time after all
[04:50] <needles> scheater6: i think i need to give it a mount point is why
[04:50] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hydrogen: why would i give up
[04:50] <romulo> join #linux-newbies
[04:51] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: because you will realize how silly it is to artificially limit yourself to a distro without package management
[04:51] <scheater6> needles: the other way, kinda the old skool way, is to mkdir in /mnt and then issue "sudo mnt /dev/hdx /mnt/[mountpoint]"
[04:51] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> needles: mount it to /media/yourharddrivename
[04:51] <Dexh1> I can not  login on kubuntu..say error 15 file not found
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R knows that, but not to CD to the dir you are trying to modify?
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> interesting
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> Dexh1: Find out what the file is, and replace it.
[04:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> t3h0wner2: im new to linux dont trip homie
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: No, I was just surprised.
[04:52] <needles> scheater6, AT0M1CB0MB3R: the reason i cant do it the easy way is because its complaing that its granted access to UID 999 and not 0
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> chown?
[04:52] <Dexh1> not sure seems like it can not find my HD
[04:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> yeah chown it
[04:52] <hydrogen> UID=999?
[04:53] <hydrogen> that sounds like a problem with the command you were using to mount it
[04:53] <hydrogen> like saying uid instead of umask
[04:53] <hydrogen> well
[04:53] <hydrogen> no
[04:53] <t3h0wner2> mmm
[04:53] <hydrogen> because that wouldn't make sense for umask
[04:53] <Dr_willis> or he could just do the  work as root.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> and mount it manually
[04:53] <hydrogen> but it sounds like a problem with waht you used to mount it
[04:53] <needles> livecd is root
[04:53] <DaSkreech> The Live Cd has the main user UID=999
[04:53] <scheater6> needles: no it's not
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the livecd DESKTOP is not root - i belive
[04:54] <romulo> good night penguins
[04:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after setting mountpoint needles you should then type in terminal "sudo mount /media/yourharddrivename"
[04:54] <needles> ah
[04:54] <scheater6> needles: although the root account is not password protected, you're still not automatically root
[04:54] <DaSkreech> It's not root
[04:54] <needles> scheater6: thats what i confused it as
[04:54] <Dexh1> is there any way to diagnose or reinstall boot file
[04:54] <romulo> sorry I came late to the discussion, what live cd are we talking about?
[04:54] <scheater6> romulo: kubuntu - needles is trying to mount a hdd via livecd
[04:55] <needles> romulo: kubuntu 7.10 desktop
[04:55] <romulo> scheater6: thanks
[04:55] <romulo> needles: thanks
[04:56] <romulo> well time to go to bed, have a good one penguins
[04:56] <needles> romulo: see ya
[04:56] <scheater6> romulo: peace
[04:56] <romulo> thanks same to all of you
[04:57] <Dexh1> 4
[04:57] <xstat> hello, i have a very fresh problem just before finishing the installation of kubuntu 7.1, the application kopete fails when connecting to msn network and produces SIGSEGV error, anybody knows what the problem is?
[04:57] <romulo> may the opensource be with you
[04:57] <scheater6> needles: my friend, I still suggest you make use of /mnt
[04:57] <Dexh1> 4 how can restore my Kubuntu
[04:57] <needles> scheater6: im doing it like that, but mounting it to /media instead of /mnt
[04:57] <godfodder> hmm i'm still trying to figure out how to create a grub boot loaderon my usb flashdrive
[04:57] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:58] <needles> scheater6: aha, victory!
[04:58] <godfodder> i remember a "boot" folder and in that, a "grub" folder
[04:58] <scheater6> instead of making a persistent mountpoint, just make a one-time one in the command - that means you have to create the dir before hand with sudo mkdir
[04:58] <scheater6> needles: or you could beat me to it!  good deal man
[04:58] <kubuntunewbie> good night kiddies.
[04:58] <scheater6> needles: now I don't even remember the original, "main problem"...something about X11?
[04:58] <needles> scheater6: i think thats what i just did, but im not sure
[04:59] <needles> scheater6: i just couldnt access my hd from livecd
[04:59] <godfodder> i just need it for after i install xp
[04:59] <needles> i had to mount the different partitions
[04:59] <Dexh1> is there anyway to restore kubuntu from live CD?
[04:59] <godfodder> so i can boot back into kubuntu
[04:59] <xstat> sorry about my interruption, just wanted to know about kopete's critical error when connecting to msn network
[04:59] <scheater6> needles: ah. yes you do.  I didn't even thing about that
[05:00] <scheater6> xstat: I got nothing on that - but as an aside, earlier you made reference to "7.1" - just letting ya know, keep the zero - "7.10" - it's a date
[05:00] <xstat>  ok, thank you for the comment, i'll keep that in mind
[05:00]  * Dexh1 wants to know how to restore kubuntu from live CD
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: did you mess up your upgrade to gutsy?
[05:01] <Dexh1> yes I did :(
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: the same thing im trying to do
[05:01] <Dexh1> bummer
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: im throwing in the towel though, and just moving important files off that partition and doing a fresh partition
[05:02] <godfodder> hmm if xp is going to overwrite the mbr, then can i use the kubuntu install disk to boot into kubuntu, or reinstall the mbr?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Dexh1: it won't boot?
[05:02] <needles> Dexh1: I have no idea how to fix it, and spent too many precious late night hours last night trying to do so
[05:02] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[05:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:02] <Dexh1> no it won't Da
[05:02] <godfodder> ta mate
[05:02] <Dr_willis> godfodder,  check out that !fixgrub factoids :)
[05:02] <godfodder> sweet
[05:02] <Dexh1> I geta error ..file not founf\d
[05:02] <Dexh1> found
[05:02] <godfodder> thanks Dr_willis :)
[05:03] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[05:04] <supert0nes> i've got a what if question: I put my home on its own partition, so if i screwed up my os how would i go about restoring to the same settings
[05:04] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  i just install. and then edit fstab to point to the proper partition after i reinstall
[05:05] <supert0nes> then all i would need to do is reinstall my programs and i'm good?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Dexh1: Which file is not found?
[05:05] <scheater6> supert0nes: well, putting /home on it's own partition helps alot - assuming "screwed up my os" leaves /home untouched, just reinstall k/ubuntu, and during the install list what is now /home as the /home partition and "do not format"
[05:06] <supert0nes> sounds good thanks a lot, ive not known how to fix x a few times with feisty and its nice to have something more reliable to come back to after a reinstall
[05:06] <basicjay> humble greeting all.
[05:06] <needles> how do i access a locked folder on my hd from livecd?
[05:07]  * supert0nes realizes that not fixing easy problems in x is another matter completely heh
[05:07] <needles> namely, my desktop folder
[05:07] <scheater6> needles: sudo dolphin
[05:07] <needles> scheater6: ah, i see
[05:07] <keaton> I'm back, can you guys tell me the command to mount a fat32 flash drive?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> !fat32
[05:07] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm. sudo mount /dev/whjatever /media/whatever -t vfat
[05:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> or somthing like that
[05:09] <hydrogen> well
[05:09] <hydrogen> if you plug the drive in
[05:09] <hydrogen> the dialog should pop up
[05:09] <scheater6> keaton: I still suggest, considering it's livecd, that you mkdir in /mnt and mount it there instead of trying to get it to automount, or even in /media where it tries to automatically make a dir - it's nice when it works, but making the dir yourself always works.
[05:09] <hydrogen> and you can just open it there
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !kdesu | scheater6 and needles
[05:09] <ubotu> scheater6 and needles: In KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use « sudo <GUI application> »; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:09] <Dr_willis> It pays to learn how to mount things manually :)
[05:10] <needles> Dr_willis: indeed
[05:10] <hydrogen> and it also causes all sorts of fun problems
[05:10] <hydrogen> about permissions
[05:10] <hydrogen> unless you do all sorts of work
[05:10] <hydrogen> in other words.. why make things harder than they have to be?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> or understand how permissions work. :)
[05:11] <hydrogen> no.
[05:11] <hydrogen> you can only mount a device as root unless its in your fstab
[05:11] <m0u5e> hi, i just installed kubuntu gutsy on my dell m1330 and i am having problems with setting up my driver & resolution
[05:11] <hydrogen> and has user{,s} in the option field
[05:11] <hydrogen> if you mount a device as root, you can only read/write to it as root
[05:11] <m0u5e> i think it might have to do with dell giving us only 128mb of ram, rather than 256
[05:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i use irssi?
[05:11] <m0u5e> is there anyway to tell?
[05:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> to connect to freenode
[05:12] <scheater6> DaSkreech: I was only suggesting sudo dolphin because it's the livecd.  not to much to muck up if it's a temporary thing.  But that is a good point
[05:12] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  go to the irssi web site - they have some very good starter docs  the command would be /server irc.freenode.net
[05:12] <DaSkreech> scheater6: Knowing is 1/2 the power
[05:12] <m0u5e> i am reconfigure xorg @ the moment, should i be using the nv or nvidia driver?
[05:12] <m0u5e> or are they just the same? -_-;
[05:13] <hydrogen> they are not the same
[05:13] <hydrogen> and it depends on your system
[05:13] <jerbear> when i hit mute on my keyboard, it shows a notification saying that muting is on, but sound is still playing... what's going on?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> m0u5e,  nv is the gpl nvidia driver . 'nvidia' is the Official Nviaid driver from nvidia
[05:13] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> m0u5e: use nvidia
[05:13] <hydrogen> the nv driver is the open source free driver.
[05:13] <hydrogen> use that unless you installed the nvidia driver from multiverse
[05:13] <needles> hydrogen: it sort of hurts my eyes
[05:13] <m0u5e> alright thx
[05:13] <hydrogen> The nvidia driver has 3d enhancements and is a whole bunch better, but is not free-as-in-beer
[05:13] <hydrogen> put that in the conf if you enabled it
[05:14] <hydrogen> er
[05:14] <hydrogen> rit is free as in beer
[05:14] <hydrogen> its not free-as-in-liberty
[05:14]  * Dr_willis perfers Free as in Love.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:14] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i connect to irc.freenode.net using irssi?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i answered ya earlier. You use the /server command
[05:15] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: /connect irc.freenode.net
[05:15] <Dr_willis> or was it /connect :)
[05:15] <supert0nes> anyone got an easy tutorial for setting up vnc i tried x forwarding and the program i'm using is hard on the network connection
[05:15] <jerbear> anyone know what could be wrong with my sound?
[05:15] <needles> jerbear: whats the issue
[05:15] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  why are you using x forwarding and vnc?
[05:15] <hydrogen> loves not open source.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  i normally install 'vnc4server' and ya just run 'vncserver
[05:16] <supert0nes> my school doesnt have the ide i use
[05:16] <jerbear> needles: sound works, volume control works, but the mute key does not actually mute the sound.... although it shows a notification saying muting is on
[05:16] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  why are you using Both is what i dont get. :)
[05:16] <supert0nes> oh im not using both
[05:16] <supert0nes> i was using x forwarding and dont like that approach anymore sorry
[05:17] <needles> jerbear: for some reason the keys get messed up, but everything works for sure when you open up the volume control panel
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i change my username in irssi
[05:17] <needles> jerbear: or mixer i mean
[05:17] <scheater6> jerbear: you have the key mapped to mute the wrong channel - plus mastermono will play sound even when master is muted.
[05:17] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: read the docs on the irssi website
[05:17] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: its off topic for this channel
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> wow why
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> why not just tell me
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> and get it over with
[05:17] <hydrogen> because it has nothing to do with kubuntu.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  if you want to learn irssi.. GO to the irssi web site and read their uyser guides.
[05:18] <jerbear> how do i check what channel it's mapped to?
[05:18] <scheater6> jerbear: under kmix, setting, configure global settings
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[05:18] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: man irssi
[05:18] <needles> everything you need to know is usually in the man page
[05:18] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R, all your questions you have been asking are answered there.
[05:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> YOU man irssi!!!!
[05:18] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: man pages are your friend
[05:18] <DaSkreech> !man
[05:18] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or type man:/ in Konqueror's location bar. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:18] <scheater6> jerbear: try just pulling the mastermono channel all the way down
[05:19] <Dr_willis> THe starter guides at the irssi page are very well done.
[05:19] <jerbear> scheater6: i checked that... i tried setting the "toggle volume of master", but it didn't help
[05:20] <jerbear> i don't see a mastermono
[05:20] <scheater6> jerbear: I'm not sure exactly the purpose of the master mono channel, but it causes me alot of grief.  if it's all the way down, and the button is mapped correctly, then see if it works for you
[05:20] <scheater6> jerbear: right click on the kmix icon and select show mixer window
[05:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !no
[05:21] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[05:21] <needles> how do you make konq the default filesystem again
[05:21] <jerbear> yeh, i'm there, i just don't see mastermono
[05:21] <sunny_> Hi,how can I open the 3D desktop
[05:21] <hydrogen> !dolphin
[05:21] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[05:21] <jerbear> i see master and a ton of other channels
[05:21] <hydrogen> needles: ^
[05:21] <needles> hydrogen: thanks
[05:21] <navets> compiz-fusion is really buggy for me, where can I get the repo for beryl
[05:22] <Dr_willis> navets,  as far as i know Beryl is dead.
[05:22] <diomedes> I installed xserver-xgl to get compiz working but it hosed my desktop setup badly, soon as I removed it was back to normal does it use its own conf?
[05:22] <scheater6> jerbear: hmmm...it's second from the right on mine and always has been - I'm looking at it now and it's "Master Mono" not mastermono
[05:22] <scheater6> *left - second from the left
[05:22] <jerbear> i see neither, but we probably have different sound cards
[05:22] <hydrogen> I don't believe that.
[05:23] <hydrogen> everyone has the same hardware
[05:23] <hydrogen> its what makes linux so easy to support
[05:23] <scheater6> jerbear: I was hoping the main windows was universal across soundcards.  I see that's not the case
[05:23] <navets> Dr_willis: I was using it today, I removed it to try and fix compiz-fusion bug , but it didn't help
[05:23] <hydrogen> oh wait.. I'm confusing it with Mac O$ x
[05:23] <jerbear> what i mean is that my driver is emu10k1 (audigy)... he's going to see different channels unless he has a similar sound card
[05:23] <Dr_willis> navets,  id say just remove it.. and leave it removed. :)
[05:24] <navets> Dr_willis: i liked it :(
[05:24] <scheater6> jerbear: well, the way I found out that was the problem with my setup was by muting everything and unmuting one channel at a time until I found a setup that worked.
[05:24] <scheater6> jerbear: if you can't do it exactly as I did, perhaps you can use my method
[05:24] <navets> Dr_willis: humm is there a way to get rid of everything beryl from my system then?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> navets,  i never had beryl installed. I did a clean install.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> navets,  i was thinking the 'upgrade' removed beryl.
[05:25] <navets> Dr_willis: k, im gonna look into it
[05:31] <helloyo> i gave ubuntu a try yesterday, i can't stand gnome anymore. i love simplicity, but its not simple... its just... bad
[05:31] <robin_> why wont firefox 2008 work with java
[05:32] <n8k99> firefox 2008?
[05:32] <robin_> ya, 2006 was fine i took the upgrade
[05:32] <robin_> thats the 63bit ver
[05:32] <robin_> 64
[05:32] <n8k99> um firefox doesn
[05:32] <n8k99> 't number by the year
[05:33] <robin_> 2.006
[05:34] <Dhraakellian> are there any known issues with the Alternate install disc with LVM?
[05:35] <needles> how do you unmount a mounted partition?
[05:36] <khatahn> hi, there was some kind of desktop search application in kubuntu when i installed the Beta version. however, now with the latest updates it seems to have disappeared. is it just me or was it disabled somehow?
[05:36] <tds> needles, umount
[05:36] <tds> khatahn, strigi?
[05:36]  * Dhraakellian tries the rescue option
[05:37] <Jucato> khatahn: just disabled by default. you can run strigi-applet or add a Strigi search applet in the panel or go to strigi:/ in Konqueror
[05:37]  * Dhraakellian is looking forward to Kubuntu and having (relatively) decent graphics performance again
[05:37] <Dhraakellian> Suse didn't seem to do a very good job with my Radeon Mobility U1
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. thers a slash dot artucal about Gusty being better then Vista.. and it has a Vista Advertisement in it...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/23/1929249&from=rss
[05:38] <khatahn> actually i would just like to make sure that it really is completely disabled :)
[05:38] <needles> tds: thanks
[05:38] <tds> yeah, i don't use desktop search apps, seems a waste of resources. i know where all my crap's at anyhow
[05:39] <tds> Dr_willis, ads, i remember those. i use no-script and ad-block so it's been a while
[05:40] <tds> khatahn, did you try apt-get remove strigi? or use the graphical aptitude manager?
[05:40] <strtok_> anyone have a favorite alternative to konsole that lets you control-click URls? (to launch firefox)
[05:41] <nite613__> I've got a nice KDE theme that I really like, and would like to see it reflected in firefox. I have the "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" button checked, but FX doesn't seem to be picking it up
[05:41] <khatahn> tds: i don't mind it being installed, kubuntu-desktop probably depends on it anyway(?), just trying to make sure it's not running in any way without me knowing about it
[05:41] <tds> strtok_, i think yakuake does that, not sure. it hides in the desktop and push f12 and it comes down. kind of neat but konsole works fine for me
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Yakuake is handy
[05:42] <yareckon_> hi guys, if this is off topic, please direct me to the right place to ask my question, but perhaps  you can help
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i always have a konsole open however. :)
[05:42] <tds> khatahn, go to system settings, advanced, and it may be in "system services"
[05:42] <Jucato> strtok_: Konsole 4 will have that. but you might want to use this workaround: right-click on klipper and Enable Actions
[05:42] <Jucato> tds: it's not a system service
[05:43] <khatahn> tds: i think i've looked for it there before..
[05:43] <khatahn> ah
[05:43] <yareckon_> I'm currently running an ubuntu gnome desktop, but I want to use kde apps as well, but they aren't launching
[05:43] <tds> khatahn, i have it safely uninstalled
[05:43] <Jucato> khatahn: Ctrl+Esc to check if it's running or not. or you can just remove the .desktop file for strigi in /usr/share/autostart/ or edit it no to start on login
[05:43] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  ya should be able to run kde and gnome apps side by side
[05:43] <yareckon_> I get amarok's splash screen, but no window, konqueror, kontact, and kword show up in the process list, but don't create windows
[05:43] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  run one from the terminal and see if you see any error messages
[05:44] <yareckon_> I do on my other box, so I know it's possible
[05:44] <yareckon_> ok, will do
[05:44] <tds> nite613__, if you have firefox themes going, they will overwrite your kde theme
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i wonder if it may be a compiz issue.
[05:44] <diomedes> can you theme just the panel?
[05:44]  * Dr_willis wonders about EVERYTHING if its a compiz issue...
[05:44] <khatahn> Jucato: ok, thanks
[05:44]  * Dhraakellian thinks the first install attempt got confused by his LVM setup
[05:46] <yareckon_> ok, when launching from the terminal, it looks like the app goign to work (my cursor moves down to the next line), but everything stops there
[05:46] <yareckon_> the app shows up in the gnome process list as sleeping
[05:46] <yareckon_> and just hangs out until I reboot
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Freaky. You using Gnome right now?
[05:47] <yareckon_> I have installed "kubuntu desktop" to make sure it's not a missing dependency
[05:47] <yareckon_> yeah
[05:47] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  dose kde work properly by itself?
[05:47] <tds> yareckon_, do you have kdelibs and other kde dependents installed?
[05:47] <yareckon_> tds, I think so
[05:48] <yareckon_> Dr_willis, I can switch to kdm, reboot and see
[05:48] <Dr_willis> you dont need to reboot or switch to kdm,
[05:48] <nite613__> tds: Maybe that's it.... I'll investigate
[05:48] <Dr_willis> you can logout, and slect kde session
[05:48] <yareckon_> I haven't tried creating a new user, which was my next step
[05:48] <yareckon_> ok
[05:48] <Dr_willis> or use tje
[05:48] <yareckon_> from gdm screen?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Tjeres the login in as a new user thing ya can have kde and gnome both going at same time
[05:49] <Dr_willis> the Session menu on GDM screen lets ya pick kde
[05:49] <tds> nite613__, also if you think the firefox buttons are ugly, search for "firefox widgets" and there's a few apps that will change those to something more aesthetic
[05:49] <yareckon_> ok, I'll obviously be gone for a bit, I'll let you know what happens
[05:49] <Dr_willis> try logging in as a new user. :_ ya wont leave at all. heh
[05:50] <yareckon_> oh, fast user switching, that's true
[05:50] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl F7 and F8 to get to the alternative desktopp
[05:51] <needles> Dr_willis: i didnt know you could do that
[05:52] <Dr_willis> needles,  fancy new feature eh? :)
[05:52] <nite613__> tds: The firefox theme is set to the default. I dont' see any way to turn them completely off. I'm fine with the buttoms, I just want my colour scheme and styles
[05:52] <needles> Dr_willis: yeah
[05:54] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[05:54] <Dhraakellian> so, will the Kubuntu 8.04 LiveCD installer support LVM?
[05:55] <tds> nite613__, kde color schemes don't apply to firefox, just maybe the title bar. you'll just have to find the firefox theme closest to yours. there's plenty of nice ones out there
[05:56] <scott_> I have an external harddrive which I can't write to without being root, how can I change this?
[05:57] <nite613__> Do I need to install a gtk theme in FX or something? Turn on gtk-qt somehow?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> scott_,  and what filesystem is on the drive?
[05:57] <needles> scott_: mount it to something
[05:57] <yareckon_> ok, I'm back
[05:57] <scott_> Dr_willis: it is vfat
[05:57] <Dr_willis> scott_,  create a proper fstab entry for it with the 'user
[05:57] <yareckon_> kde apps work just fine under kde  or gnome with a new user account
[05:57] <Dr_willis> 'user' option and the propler 'umask' option
[05:58] <yareckon_> so my current account is fooked, bummer
[05:58] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  weird. could rename the gnome config dirs.
[05:58] <scott_> Dr_willis: I don't completely follow
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and let gnome remake them
[05:58] <tds> nite613__, go to tools, add-ons, in firefox and it'll take you to the themes
[05:58] <Dr_willis> !fstab
[05:58] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:59] <yareckon_> when kde apps are a guest on gnome, do they share anything that might have gotten messed up?  I see a .kde directory
[05:59] <nite613__> tds: I found that. Solved my problem by loging out and back in to kde
[05:59] <scott_> Dr_willis: my fstab says the following for this drive /dev/sdb1 /media/MYBOOK vfat uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,users 0 0
[05:59] <Dr_willis> scott_,  you dont want those uid/gid
[06:00] <yareckon_> it's the lack of any error messages that is leaving me guessing
[06:00] <Dr_willis> that may be the whole problem
[06:00] <yareckon_> thanks for the help guys
[06:00] <Dr_willis> You could use uid/gid of 1000 or whtever the gid/uid is for your user
[06:00] <scott_> Dr_willis: ok, thanks
[06:01] <jarn> Woot, I'm running Gutsy now.
[06:03] <kristen> IRC is a strange and hostile place... o.o;
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[06:04] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:04] <temppppp> hello everyone from snowy Siberia !
[06:04] <tds> kristen, been to yahoo chat? don't even get me started
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Yahoo Chat... heh heh.. what a joke..
[06:04] <Dr_willis> the 'see my webcam spam chat'
[06:05] <tds> it's the Jerry Springer of online chat
[06:05] <temppppp> Cam everyone help me with set upping printer ?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  and what printer is this?
[06:06] <kristen> No, no yahoo chat. Ye gods, I haven't chatted on anything but IM for at least 8 years.
[06:06] <temppppp> it's HP Laser Jet 3015
[06:07] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  what have you done to confgure it?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i plugedin my printers and it poped up the dialogs and let me confiogre  it. :)
[06:07] <temppppp> Situation: I have a Kubuntu and Ubuntu in one network with Windows which has shared Printer
[06:07] <kristen> Local printer: Easy. Networked printer: beating with chicken wire. >_>
[06:08] <Dr_willis> NOW you get to the real info. :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> network printer with samba should be easy
[06:08] <temppppp> I tried to use native tools, but Linuxes doesnot see a Windows printer
[06:08] <temppppp>  Windows in an Domain
[06:08] <Dr_willis> you have any othe rshares on the windows box?
[06:08] <temppppp> year
[06:08] <Dr_willis> can it access them?
[06:09] <temppppp> I can see and can access to windows, I can see a folders
[06:09] <Dr_willis> You may need to set up samba and give the linux user a samba password. I always share my printers the other way. Letting them be on the linux box. and windows accesses them
[06:09] <temppppp> I read that in samba I need the same working group as in Windows , is it right ?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Yep.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> I think so
[06:10] <Dr_willis> It sounds liek windows may not be set to share the printer publicaly
[06:11] <temppppp> Yeah, when i try to access windwows printer from other windows I need to enter a password and login , then I can share this printer succesfully
[06:11] <tds> can someone tell me how to completely get rid of samba? any time i uninstall, even with purge, my settings are back?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  Yep. thats why i  think its a 'public' thing. :)
[06:11] <temppppp> Printer is share to other but not in the guest mode
[06:11] <Jucato> tds: what do you mean by "my settings are back"?
[06:12] <tds> Jucato, i mean, the smb.conf seems the same
[06:13] <temppppp> by the way, SWAT needs an apache?
[06:13] <Jucato> where is smb.conf located? (not sure if apt removes system config files that have been modified)
[06:13] <Jucato> tds: ^^^^
[06:13] <temppppp> I installed swat, but apache was not install by dependencies
[06:13] <tds> Jucato, yes, it was modified. I guess I should've removed it manually
[06:13] <Dr_willis> dont use swat.. thers better tools out there now a days
[06:14] <Dr_willis> !find ksamba
[06:14]  * Dhraakellian waits for the second install attempt to finish chugging away
[06:14] <ubotu> Package/file ksamba does not exist in gutsy
[06:14] <needles> ok, i just freshly installed gutsy, and yet its telling me theres a new version i can upgrade to...gutsy
[06:14] <Dr_willis> the workgroup is one line in the samba config file.
[06:14] <needles> so im on gutsy, and its saying i can uprgrade to gutsy
[06:15] <Dr_willis> needles,  do a update/upgrade.. and let it run..  may be some uodates
[06:15] <temppppp> ok thanks
[06:15] <posingaspopular> needles: or its a bug
[06:15] <temppppp> I'll try
[06:15] <Dr_willis>  the upgrade button has a bit of a bug :) says its a upgrade when its done
[06:15] <Jucato> needles: it's a known bug
[06:15] <tds> what do you guys think of my color scheme i just uploaded? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Blackened?content=68365
[06:15] <needles> Jucato: im just going to ignore it
[06:16] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's telling him to upgrade to gutys, no that there are just updates :)
[06:16] <xo> hi, just install kubuntu 7.10, and i couldnt find compiz fusion and firefox, also printer is not automaticaly detected when it pluged in, im wondering if the feature is acctually there
[06:16] <Jucato> !compiz | xo
[06:16] <ubotu> xo: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:16] <Jucato> FAQ #1 strikes again!
[06:17] <Dr_willis> hay! thats my line! :)
[06:17] <kristen> I don't suppose anyone here could tell me why, when all my setting _seem_ to be correct, the new ATI 8.42 driver simply will not enable direct rendering?
[06:17] <Jucato> xo: you must be thinking about Ubuntu, not Kubuntu. Kubuntu doesn't have Firefox installed bydefault
[06:17] <tds> needles, are you using the beta? i was using gutsy beta and upgraded when it told me. now it's supposed officially gutsy RC
[06:17] <Jucato> tds: no it's really a known bug
[06:18] <xo> ai ai, thankx for the info
[06:18] <needles> tds: i just downloaded the iso off kubuntu.org
[06:18] <needles> so i assume is RC
[06:18] <needles> brb
[06:18] <Jucato> it's not RC. it's stable
[06:18] <Jucato> tds: RC = Release *Candidate*
[06:18] <Dr_willis> RC = Really Cool.
[06:18] <Jucato> well that too... but an RC release isn't RC :P
[06:19] <tds> as RC, i meant, official Gutsy...non-beta
[06:19] <Jucato> that's not RC :)
[06:19] <Jucato> that's Final release. or GM (Gold Master)
[06:19] <tds> Jucato, what is it then?
[06:19] <tds> oh, ok
[06:19] <Jucato> RC = Release Canditate = the release *before* final release. it's still a candidate
[06:20] <tds> Jucato, i don't quite understand that. if it's not good enough for release, may as well be called a beta
[06:21] <Jucato> Alpha -> Beta -> RC -> Final
[06:21] <Jucato> that's the usual flow of releases
[06:21] <Jucato> it's not like Ubuntu started that
[06:21] <_Pete_> morning!
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> whew
[06:21] <posingaspopular> we should rename it to really cool though, so people know whats up
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> it appears to be working this time
[06:21] <_Pete_> anyone else having problems with clipboard copy/paste
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Not heard of any complaints _Pete_
[06:22] <Dr_willis> clarify the problem perhaps?
[06:22] <Xacarith> hal storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000
[06:22] <_Pete_> well.. when I try to copy paste
[06:22] <_Pete_> the paste isnt working
[06:22] <Dhraakellian> because there's a chance, however extremely remote, that the RC might just be suitable for use as the final release version
[06:22] <Dr_willis> _Pete_,  you mean Text? or files in the Dolphin file manager?
[06:22] <_Pete_> between different progs
[06:22] <_Pete_> text
[06:23] <Jucato> tds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_candidate#Release_candidate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[06:23] <Xacarith> Why does kde have such issues with managing my other hard drives?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Might want to check the klipper settings.
[06:23] <_Pete_> like trying to c/p url from konsole -> other program (konsole, kopete)
[06:23] <_Pete_> it worked fine couple of day ago
[06:23] <yareckon> hi kids, thanks for you help before... I've solved the issue in my user, and wanted to report back  Dr_willis
[06:23] <_Pete_> but then some upgrades come and problems started
[06:23] <yareckon> permissions or temp files were probably the issue
[06:24] <_Pete_> and I havent changed any setting for that
[06:24] <yareckon> following instructions here
[06:24] <yareckon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/susenovell-60/error-could-not-start-kstartupconfig.-328302/
[06:24] <_Pete_> YY
[06:24] <Dr_willis> _Pete_,  interesting.  Ive not heard of any others with the problem
[06:24] <_Pete_> that YY is when I trie to copy URL from firefox
[06:24] <yareckon> I chown -R my whole user dir to repair permissions
[06:24] <_Pete_> which should be: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/chatirc
[06:25] <Xacarith> any one?
[06:25] <yareckon> blew away everything in /tmp
[06:25] <_Pete_> in klipper when I do Edit
[06:25] <_Pete_> its already screwed up
[06:25] <tds> Jucato, so what's with programmers doing the 1.48372 thing? why not version 1 or 2 or maybe 1.1 or 1.2 at the most?
[06:25] <_Pete_> like some 2 unprintable character
[06:25] <yareckon> and kde will log in as well as kde apps will now launch under gnome
[06:25] <yareckon> happy ending, thanks for commisserating
[06:25] <Jucato> tds: never seen a program w/ that version number yet :)
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> tds: because version numbers reflect actual versioning
[06:26] <Jucato> also different people/projects use different numbering/versioning schemes
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's usually something like 1.3.4.2 (if even that long)
[06:27] <_Pete_> yes seems to be same copy/paste problem occurs between every app
[06:27] <Jucato> but nothing like "1.48372"
[06:27] <tds> Daisuke_Ido, so if they make one-tenth of a change, it goes up to version 1.1? is there an official version numbering scheme accepted?
[06:27] <_Pete_> very annoying
[06:27] <_Pete_> any ideas where even start to seek solution
[06:27] <Jucato> tds: nope. it's quite arbitrary
[06:27] <Jucato> tds: it might be 1.1.1 or 1.1-1
[06:27] <tds> Jucato, kind of thought so
[06:27] <Jucato> and has nothing to do with the earlier scheme of Alpha, Beta, RC, Final :)
[06:28] <posingaspopular> it's all psychological
[06:28] <_Pete_> maybe do something with wierd behaviour yesterday
[06:29] <_Pete_> I was already using kubuntu 7.10 before last thursday but the system upgrade notification occured only yesterday and started to do upgrade
[06:29] <_Pete_> even it already was
[06:29] <Dr_willis> .1 does not mean 1/tenth in version #'s :)
[06:29] <_Pete_> in prosess some packages where actually upgrade
[06:29] <_Pete_> d
[06:30] <_Pete_> and after that very many was marked "not used any more"
[06:31]  * Xacarith frowns then sighs "Hard drive management seems to be kde's weakest point...
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> Xacarith: i would have thought falling this far behind ubuntu in printer management was weak...  never had much issue with hdd management
[06:34] <ackbahr> Hi! Feisty Fawn here. When I unplug my laptop from its power source, it goes to "suspend"; no setting specifies this, and I don't want it of course! Could someone help me?
[06:36] <Xacarith> Well, I've not done any printing from kde.  Had no issue plugging in a printer and printing out something over on gnome  And I have yet to get my one hard drive mounted any where...
[06:37] <needles> audacious is still being supported isnt it?
[06:37] <needles> unlike xmms
[06:37] <wilson> Xacarith: what do you mean by trouble managing hard drives ?
[06:37] <Daisuke_Ido> needles: correct
[06:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Xacarith: what filesystem?
[06:38] <_dns_> how do I change (relax) the password settings in relation to the password strength?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> I dident think GNOME or KDE managed the drives it was the HAL stuff that managed the AUTOMOUNTING of drives.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> You could always manage them by hand by editing the fstab
[06:38] <wilson> yeah, i've got no idea what he means
[06:39] <Dr_willis> as for printer mangement.. gusty has seen/poped up dialogs and auto set up my 2 printers so far. :)
[06:39] <Dr_willis> of course with windows.. i had to go to the hp.com web site and run their tool to find the riught drivers.. then do as 127mb download for the hp printer....
[06:39] <sub[t]rnl> how d
[06:40] <Xacarith> Well I can't get my other hard drive to mount
[06:40] <needles> whats the library to watch avi, mpeg, wma etc
[06:40] <needles> with kmplayer?
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install vlc :D
[06:41] <Dr_willis> !find kubuntu-restricted
[06:41] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <Dr_willis> !info  kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[06:41] <needles> Daisuke_: heh, thats somewhat what i was going to do
[06:41] <Dr_willis> needles,  i always install that  kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <Dr_willis> I think it might have a lot of the codecs
[06:42] <Dr_willis> its a meta-package - it installs a lot of the extras people want
[06:42] <needles> Dr_willis: ill get it a go
[06:42] <needles> Dr_willis: im setting up my system to how i had it before the upgrade incident
[06:42] <Dr_willis> It has java and flash and other brower things i recall also
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  you could just mount the thing manually
[06:43] <Xacarith> daisuke_ido It's formanted in ntfs
[06:43] <Xacarith> dr_willis I tried, keep getting error messages
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  and whats the error message?
[06:44] <Xacarith> hal storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000 is one of them under dolphin
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  sample fstab engtry for my ntfs drive using ntfs-3g -->>   /dev/hda5 /media/winstorage ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  and what did you do exactly that gave that error message?
[06:44] <Xacarith> Told it to mount the drive
[06:44] <Dr_willis> told it HOW.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> I am saying Manually Mount them from the shell...
[06:45] <Dr_willis> dont use the gui/filemanager tools. thats the 'user' mounting them.  Use the konsole and  the mount command to mount them.
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> did you just say "Computer, I'd...  like you to mount a hard drive for me."
[06:45] <Dr_willis> "Sorry Dave, im afraid i cant do that...."
[06:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[06:46] <Dr_willis> "Mount the Drive Hal!"
[06:46] <Xacarith> No, there was a thing that said mount so I licked on it and got an error  Now with kde control module I get  something about windows.... Hmm...
[06:46] <sub[t]rnl> don't lick it!
[06:46]  * Xacarith has to try something
[06:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <dthacker> "Will I dream, Dave?"
[06:46] <redoo> hy@all
[06:46] <Xacarith> I would never have thought windows being hibernated would mater much
[06:46] <ackbahr> Bahh, licking ones screen....
[06:47] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  you set it up to use ntfs-3g? Check the fstab file see if thers an entry for the drive in question.  if you know its /dev/NAME
[06:48] <Dr_willis> layers of toubleshooting. :) when in doubt fall back to the lower layers.
[06:48] <needles> oooh, kmplayer is nice
[06:52] <sam64> does anyone know of a good audio visualization that can run as a desktop background?
[06:53] <DeadJones> anyone have issues with upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10?  its stalled out on me twice now
[06:53] <Dr_willis> Night all.
[06:54] <tds> DeadJones, It stalled on me once but after a reboot, successfully upgraded. But I was using Gutsy beta
[06:55] <DeadJones> so i guess i'll be screwed next time i reboot?
[06:55] <DeadJones> i'd really rather avoid a full install. i have things just the way i like them
[06:58] <dsmith_> hi two things, I need to incease my resolution. According to lspci I have a Intel 945GM, also my sound is not working
[07:03] <sub[t]rnl> dsmith_: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:03] <sub[t]rnl> dsmith_: then reconfigure your xorg.conf to allow high resolutions. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or do it by hand
[07:04] <sub[t]rnl> !resolution
[07:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:04] <dsmith_> ok thanks... this is a panasonic CF-51 running 7.10
[07:04] <dsmith_> thx alot
[07:05] <dsmith_> I;ll do that
[07:06] <dsmith_> ok #1 is already installed
[07:09] <_Pete_> btw, find the problem for clipboard problems
[07:09] <_Pete_> I was running XP in vbox background
[07:09] <_Pete_> somehow that messes it up
[07:10] <_Pete_> wierd
[07:13] <tharun> Hi, is there any way I can recover a bunch of files off of a CD? The CD is readable, but some files are corrupt. These Corrupt files are family photos (.jpgs and .avis) which I want to file using DigiKam. My father decided these can be entrusted to CD-Rs of dubious quality. Now, accessing the files is becoming problematic. I want to get all the files off this "backup solution" ASAP. Please help!
[07:17] <tharun> Does anyone know how to recover data from a old CDR?
[07:17] <edenbeast> dvdisaster
[07:18] <edenbeast> or if it's on certain files only use dd with conv=noerror
[07:19] <contrast83> Gutsy's the first release where I haven't felt a strong compulsion to change the wallpaper and color scheme in the first five minutes of use.
[07:19]  * contrast83 applauds the artwork team
[07:19] <edenbeast> like dd if=/path/to/your/file of=/home/mine/output/file.jpg conv=noerror
[07:20] <tds> tharun, apt-cache search cd recovery
[07:21] <edenbeast> oh and sticking it into the fridge has actually helped for me already so some of those urban myths sometime come true by accident it seems :P
[07:22] <tharun> thanks guys, will check back with the results
[07:22] <edenbeast> just make sure to do the fridge thing last ;-)
[07:23] <tharun> ok... was walking over to the fridge right now as I thought HARDware might help mre than software
[07:24] <tharun> :)
[07:24] <edenbeast> tharun it must've been something else I used in the past, not dvdisaster I'll check if I can still find it in my bookmarks
[07:26] <edenbeast> the dd trick works though I can attest to that since it has saved much data on a few dozens of cds for me :-s
[07:30] <crazy_bus> anyone here that can help me get dvb-t to play in kaffeine?
[07:35] <Xacarith> Well that fixed one issue....  Though I hate booting into windows.  It has a nasty lag on start up with this video card  But at least it boots up every time now....  But I still have an issue with linux reading my 80G hdd
[07:36] <edenbeast> tharun: this is what I used http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html  and I must say I found this in my bookmarks which may be useful for your purpose but I never used it before so I can't attest to its effectiveness: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[07:37]  * Xacarith is also being told there is an upgrade available to 7.10.....  But he already upgraded?
[07:38] <Xacarith> I think some one else was having that issue...
[07:39] <Waaaodd> hello
[07:39] <Waaaodd> :D
[07:39] <Waaaodd> Anybody here/
[07:39] <Xacarith> I am...  Not sure why though
[07:39] <Waaaodd> xD
[07:39] <Waaaodd> stay cool
[07:40] <tharun> edenbeast: ty I found that when I was looking though info on dd. Will try that too :)
[07:40] <Xacarith> Soon it will be more like stay warm
[07:40] <Waaaodd> i have live cd kubunty... it is possible to instal beryl on  live?
[07:40] <Waaaodd> ?
[07:41] <Xacarith> Not sure, but you could try..  I installed file sharing components  before
[07:41] <Waaaodd> kk
[07:41]  * Xacarith is noe expert though
[07:41] <Xacarith> "But no one else is talking
[07:41] <Waaaodd> kk
[07:41] <tharun> Waaodd: if you have an ati card, you might have to use download the restricted drivers, since their open source drivers dont support XGL.
[07:41] <Waaaodd> end of the lesson :/
[07:42] <Waaaodd> cyaa
[07:42] <Xacarith> didn't work?
[07:42] <tharun> Waaaodd: ati card?
[07:50]  * Xacarith sighs "Maybe my 80G will work when I remove some partitions...
[07:58] <Rebecca_work> can someone please point me to a good guide for getting compiz working on kubuntu 7.10 please? thanks :)
[07:58] <gunMan_>  hi. is it possible to see how much ram is reserved to a process and increase this amount?
[07:59] <jtmoney> Rebecca_work: try www.kubuntu.org click wiki, type compiz... use the compiz fusion tutorial (i think)
[07:59] <jtmoney> Rebecca_work: should be a matter of installing the binary drivers (for nvidia/ati), apt-getting compiz, running compiz
[07:59] <esperegu> bonan matenon
[08:00] <jtmoney> unless you're using certain types of ATI cards (like the one on my laptop, the mobility 200 or whatever)
[08:00] <xevious> !compiz
[08:00] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:01] <Rebecca_work> thanks jtmoney and xevious
[08:01] <xevious> np
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:08] <khatahn> nice, i hope compiz never will be shipped with kubuntu ;)
[08:08] <soa2ii> Hi there! Is 12:00 a.m. 12:00 a.m. or 0:00 p.m. or both?
[08:09] <soa2ii> I mean lunch-time
[08:09] <||arifaX> soa2ii: 0:00pm is not valid
[08:09] <soa2ii> Oh... OK
[08:09] <soa2ii> So 12:00 a.m.
[08:10] <soa2ii> weird time schema...
[08:11] <mojo_> ne1 else still gettin the version upgrade button in adept after goin 2 7.10?
[08:13] <Jucato> mojo_: known bug
[08:13] <||arifaX> soa2ii: 0:00 = 12:00am, am is until 11:59am then it is 12:00 - 23:59 pm
[08:14] <pagan0ne> hey, im having a problem with kwalletmanager, kopete, and gutsy... i cant seem to get kwalletmanager to load anymore....
[08:15] <soa2ii> thanks
[08:15] <pagan0ne> anyone?
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> how would I double check to see what version of Kubuntu I'm running
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> ?
[08:16] <pagan0ne> Dhraakellian:  lsb_release -a
[08:16] <pagan0ne> in terminal
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> since I just installed (what I thought was) 7.10, and adept upgrade is telling me that "A new distribution version is available!"
[08:17] <pagan0ne> Dhraakellian: its a known bug, ignore it
[08:17] <Dhraakellian> okay
[08:17] <mojo_> Dhraakellian: ur not alone...;)
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> hmm... volume buttons don't work.  They didn't work when I installed from the Xubuntu 7.04 alt CD either
[08:18] <pagan0ne> anyone have any idea why kwallermanager doesnt work in gutsy after a upgrade from feisty? kopete wont login as kwalletmanager wont provide the keys....
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> they did work when I installed from the Ubuntu 6.04 LiveCD
[08:18]  * Dhraakellian wonders why this is
[08:18] <esperegu> is this normal: The application 'DCOPServer' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet'
[08:18] <esperegu> ???
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> a difference between Alt and Live?  between Ubuntu and the other *buntus?
[08:19] <esperegu> Dhraakellian: Alt is only for installinc
[08:19] <esperegu> Live you can run from CD.
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> esperegu: not what I'm asking
[08:19] <esperegu> and it has a desktop item to install
[08:19] <||arifaX> Dhraakellian: the alternate cd has a non graphical installer if you have problem getting the live cd to run and needs less than 320mb ram (for gutsy)
[08:19] <esperegu> As far as I know they are the same
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> I know that difference
[08:20] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:20] <Dhraakellian> so it's more likely the Ubuntu vs. Kubuntu/Xubuntu difference then?
[08:20] <esperegu> yeah.
[08:20] <esperegu> they all have there own according programs
[08:20] <esperegu> own mediaplayers etc.
[08:20] <esperegu> but you can install the one you like using packages
[08:20] <esperegu> is this normal: The application 'DCOPServer' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet' ???
[08:21] <esperegu> I get it when I log in.
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> expected behavior: Fn+pageup/pagedown changes volume
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> (or the buttons on the side of the laptop)
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> it worked with Ubuntu 7.04 and then the same installation with Kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> (and running KDE)
[08:22]  * Dhraakellian wonders if installing Ubuntu-desktop would make it work
[08:22] <esperegu> donno
[08:22] <pagan0ne> so noone knows why kdewallet would suddenly nolonger work?
[08:23] <Dhraakellian> well, it's a fresh install, so I suppose that if I want to install ubuntu-desktop to experiment, there's not much I'd lose by just wiping the installation to get rid of Gnome cleanly
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: it asks for access.
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: shoulf I Allow Always?
[08:23] <pagan0ne> esperegu: my kdewallet wont even load, it just is like its not there
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: hmm.. I don't see an icon either.
[08:23] <pagan0ne> esperegu: kdewallet stores passwords etc, sensitive info, if your loading a program that you want to have access to those passwords, yes, otherwise, no, dont allow it
[08:24] <contrast83> Is it possible to make APT *always* look in a certain place for a CD-based repository, rather than /media/cdrom exclusively?
[08:24] <pagan0ne> well, im gonna try to reboot, need to change kernels anyway, hopefully all will be right in the world when i get back!
[08:28] <esperegu> anyone knows what DCOPServer is supposed to do?
[08:30] <Jucato> it allows KDE apps to talk to each other through dcop
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> esperegu: DCOP is the Desktop COmmunications Protocol, which lets programs integrate talk to each other
[08:31] <hangthedj> esperegu, http://www.kde.gr.jp/help/doc/kde-i18n/ja/docs/kdevelop/addendum/HTML/dcop.html
[08:31] <Dhraakellian> DCOPServer is what lets them d—ninja'd
[08:31] <esperegu> Ok. so it is probably not safe to give it access to the wallet? Or do all programs use it to talk to the walled?
[08:36] <edenbeast> esperegu: it'll only be able to use what methods kwallet itself exposes to dcop so there should be no danger there
[08:37] <edenbeast> I wish kwallet would be PAMed :-/
[08:37] <esperegu> edenbeast: ok. thx
[08:45] <HackXP> I had fiesty fawn 7.04 installed.  During this time, I installed kde-desktop.  I since upgraded to gutsy gibbon.  Do I have to reinstall kde-desktop in 7.10..or did the upgrade accomplish that as well?
[08:51] <pparker> hi here
[08:51] <pparker> i'm running gutsy and i can't get kde4 beta3 running
[08:52] <pparker> i 've followed instructions
[08:52] <pparker> any help is welcome
[09:05] <titanix88> hey everibuntu!
[09:08] <MilesG> hello?
[09:08] <Myrth[home]> hi, if i quit power manager from the systray, how do i run it again?
[09:09] <MilesG> Myrth[home]: 1 sec i might know this
[09:09] <MilesG> Myrth[home]: are you trying to have it load at startup?
[09:09] <titanix88> add to panel.
[09:10] <MilesG> yea you could add to panel or add it to kicker
[09:10] <Myrth[home]> MilesG: no, when i did /etc/init.d/dbus restart because network manager was borked it shows just a bolt, without battery status
[09:10] <KarenM> hELLo
[09:11] <KarenM> is anyone here
[09:11] <MilesG> ya
[09:11] <Myrth[home]> and there's no power manager in applets
[09:11] <hangthedj> Myrth[home], /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py
[09:11] <MilesG> KarenM: are you copying my name
[09:11] <KarenM> wah
[09:11] <KarenM> its my name
[09:12] <MilesG> hey guys i hacked my razr phone and put ubuntu on it
[09:12] <KarenM> i have a dumb question
[09:12] <MilesG> !dumb
[09:12] <ubotu> dumb is mc44
[09:12] <MilesG> !mc44
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mc44 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <KarenM> i have a file from /home called hw.text and i want to change the file permission
[09:12] <KarenM> i forgot the command
[09:12] <MilesG> chmod
[09:13] <KarenM> is it chmod -rw
[09:13] <MilesG> ya sure
[09:13] <MilesG> wait
[09:13] <MilesG> what permission are you trying to give it
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> hangthedj: didn't do anything
[09:13] <KarenM> so that i could only read and write
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> oh wait, just took time
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> thanks :)
[09:13] <hangthedj> do alt+F2 and type it in the box
[09:13] <hangthedj> oh ok
[09:13] <KarenM> chmod u+rw hw.text
[09:13] <KarenM> is that right guys
[09:14] <MilesG> do chmod 600 hw.txt
[09:14] <hangthedj> you could link it to /usr/bin in case you want an easier way to run it, but it should start automatically.
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> hangthedj: why is it hidden so well? :)
[09:14] <hangthedj> ?
[09:14] <hangthedj> it should just start.
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> yeah but there's no way to restart it?
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> besides knowing this path :P
[09:14] <MilesG> KarenM: you got it?
[09:14] <titanix88> milesg:h did u do that razr stuff?0
[09:15] <MilesG> titanix88: I didnt really put ubuntu on, i did connect to it via moto4lin, removed a lot of the garbage verizon puts on there, and i created a .gif that looks like the ubuntu splash screen
[09:15] <hangthedj> Myrth[home], i didn't even know what the command was, i just found it with ps ax}grep power
[09:15] <Myrth[home]> ah i see
[09:15] <hangthedj> i wonder why its hidden so well.
[09:15] <MilesG> so when my razr boots now, it runs that ubuntu splash.gif i made, instead of the verizon one
[09:15] <KarenM> i think i did
[09:15] <KarenM> thanx
[09:16] <MilesG> i plan on making a skin for it that looks like kde
[09:16] <titanix88> milerg:got it.
[09:16] <juan> oal
[09:16] <hangthedj> anybody use GenTube?  its a very, very cool script for downloading youtube videos
[09:16] <juan> ola
[09:17]  * MilesG loves the razr now
[09:17] <juan> yeaaaahhhhhhhhh
[09:17] <KarenM> tyty
[09:17] <KarenM> bb now
[09:17] <juan> hello
[09:19] <juan>  
[09:19] <juan>  
[09:19] <MilesG> o rly?
[09:20] <MilesG> does anyone have a razr phone in here?
[09:21] <level1> does anyone know any calculator programs for linux capable of solving integrals?
[09:21] <harmental> any xfig gurus out there?
[09:21] <hangthedj> level1, have you tried speedcrunch?
[09:22] <hangthedj> i think its gtk based, but very nice
[09:22] <level1> hangthedj: its qt but not kde... can it solve integrals?
[09:22] <hangthedj> level1, i dunno, but it seems to have just about everything in it.
[09:22] <MilesG> hangthedj: i think speedcrunch is qt, it defaults with kde
[09:23] <MilesG> in kubuntu that is*
[09:23] <level1> hangthedj: I don't know how to input an integral with it
[09:24] <pagan0ne> what do i have to do to change the background displayed on the 2nd monitor during the splash screen and login screen?
[09:24] <hangthedj> go to settings -> show functions list, and scroll down to int... ohh wait, nevermind.
[09:25] <hangthedj> sorry i don't know.
[09:26] <pagan0ne> well i assume its root accounts default background, so what do i have to do (other than change roots password) to enable the ability to login as root?
[09:28] <pagan0ne> nvm, i found where to change it System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> Background
[09:32] <hangthedj> level1, go to sourceforge.net and search for integral
[09:33] <hangthedj> or search on http://www.google.com/linux
[09:33] <titanix88> anyone here know a
[09:33] <titanix88> four variable equation solver? i need one.
[09:34] <hangthedj> http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/
[09:34] <titanix88> i mean any free math suite?
[09:34] <hangthedj> that says it does integral, and that its the best desktop calculator on the market
[09:34] <titanix88> ok.thnx.i'll check it.
[09:37] <Jucato> (Speedcrunch is pure Qt)
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> !root
[09:39] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> !info qttube | hangthedj
[09:40] <ubotu> hangthedj: Package qttube does not exist in gutsy
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> !info youtube-dl | hangthedj
[09:40] <ubotu> hangthedj: youtube-dl: download videos from youtube.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 2007.08.24-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[09:40] <hangthedj> i like gentube better than qttube
[09:41] <MilesG> dang package size 7kb?!!!!
[09:41] <MilesG> must be like 1 script
[09:42] <contrast83_> Greets, everyone...
[09:43] <contrast83_> I'm having some problems with my wireless card. It keeps randomly losing the connection, forcing me to reboot (restarting NetworkManager and /etc/init.d/networking restart don't help). It didn't do this *at all* in Feisty.
[09:43] <hangthedj> !qalculate
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qalculate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <contrast83_> Also, I had to comment out everything under "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces to get it to work at all, which I didn't have to do in Feisty. Not sure if that's relevant.
[09:45] <WaltzingAlong> greetings contrast83_ yeah i have read that too, to have networkmanager working well one needs to remove the eth entries from the interfaces file
[09:45] <contrast83_> QtTube is on GetDeb, I think. Maybe Qulculate as well. If not, I'm almost certain it's on KDE-Apps.org
[09:45] <hangthedj> !info qalculate
[09:45] <ubotu> qalculate: Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator - transitional. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-2build1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 72 kB
[09:45] <arctanx> Has anyone encountered KDM suddenly not starting on boot for some reason? (Gutsy) If you try to start it manually, you get a sed error about an unterminated substitution command.
[09:46] <contrast83_> WaltzingAlong: Right, but the problem is it's *not* working well, even after doing that. :-\
[09:46] <arctanx> I found a forum post about it but they only solved the problem by rolling back to pre-gutsy (though mine was a fresh install)
[09:47] <hangthedj> ahh youtube-dl is a python script
[09:48] <arctanx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574737 is the error specifically
[09:48] <ANH> How  to I install flash with Konqueror?
[09:48] <ANH> I mean, install flash to work with Konqueror
[09:49] <dystopianray> is anyone else getting gpg errors on the security repo for gutsy?
[09:49] <dystopianray> I've been unable to properly update for three days
[09:49] <contrast83_> Anyone know what would cause my network card to lose its connection, then fail when I attempt to reconnect? This is driving me insane.
[09:49] <hangthedj> i wrote a script to install or fix flash on konq, but i never put it up for download
[09:49] <contrast83_> Flash doesn't work on Konqueror? Seems fine here.
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> !flash
[09:50] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:50] <hangthedj> flashplugin-nonfree
[09:50] <contrast83_> hangthedj: Did you scan for new plugins?
[09:50] <hangthedj> flash works fine for me.
[09:51] <contrast83_> Ohh, sorry. I failed to read up a few lines.
[09:51] <hangthedj> you can also go to Konqueror -> Settings -> File Associations -> search for swf, and delete Netscape plugin from the embedding tab, and load a webpage, and it will install it.
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> qttube is in the gutsy repositories i thought
[09:53] <Rebecca_work> anyone else noticed that compiz multiple desktops and kde multiple desktops don't exactly play nicely together?
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> or maybe just from getdeb.net
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> Rebecca_work: yes. with compiz-fusion installed use the compiz-fusion components to manipulate the number of virtual desktops
[09:53] <contrast83_> Rebecca_work: Yep. You might want to install compiz-kicker from Trevino's repository. I think there's only a Feisty package for it ATM, but that one's working fine here.
[09:54] <hangthedj> i guess qttube isn't in the repos
[09:54] <Rebecca_work> thanks guys :)
[09:54] <contrast83_> Rebecca_work: No problem
[09:54] <contrast83_> The packages on GetDeb are all supposed to be standards-compliant, right?
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83_: though i use youtube-dl with 'actions' in klipper :D
[09:55] <ANH> !Restricted
[09:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:55] <contrast83_> WaltzingAlong: Sounds interesting. I haven't really messed with Klipper much, aside from its obvious use.
[10:03] <RedDevil> Hi all...
[10:03] <Selanit> I thought I'd upgrade to Gutsy Gibbon this evening, but the version upgrade app appears to have frozen 2% of the way into the "installing the update" phase.  If I kill the process now, can I restart it and recover or will I fubar my system?
[10:03] <osh_> Anyone using kubuntu in a windows environment? I need to connect to an AD to see our printers. I manage to connect to the AD via kioslave smb:/ but the printers don't show up. Machines and folders does however.
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: yeah you can continue
[10:05] <Selanit> Well, heck.  I guess I'll go ahead and kill the stupid thing then.  It's been sitting there for ages now doing nothing.
[10:05] <Selanit> What a pain.
[10:05] <Selanit> Thanks
[10:05] <RedDevil> Can anybody explain to me what Alan Cox kernel patch do?
[10:05] <jarle> I had the upgrade tool hang on initial upgrade to gutsy, which process or lockfile do I need to kill to be able to run Adept Manager over again?
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: i have read that some others after adept manager and the update tool died then use aptitude or apt-get from there. sudo aptitude -f install   or sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | jarle
[10:06] <ubotu> jarle: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:06] <contrast83_> Can someone please help me with my wireless card? It randomly loses the connection sometimes and I can't reconnect without rebooting.
[10:07] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: happens to me, /etc/init.d/dbus restart helps
[10:08] <contrast83_> Myrth[home]: Is that *all* you have to do? No restarting K/NetworkManager or "/etc/init.d/networking restart"?
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> nope
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> just this
[10:08] <contrast83_> Awesome, thanks a million.
[10:08] <Selanit> Hmm.  I It looks as though when I closed the upgrade app, it left /var/lib/dpkg locked.  I'll have to dig through the process list and see if I can figure out which one is using it.
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> it should restart all relevant services
[10:09] <contrast83_> Myrth[home]: Any idea what's causing the problem? This card worked flawlessly in Feisty.
[10:09] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: This did the trick... I can't remember ever having a flawless upgrade of ubuntu, but I usually get it working in the end...
[10:09] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: i think network manager was reworked or something
[10:09] <osh_> Is there anyone using kubuntu in a windows environment here?
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: :D so someone should be working on the upgrade tools and processes to 8.04 already? :D
[10:10] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: oh also, the first time it happened i've read somewhere to comment out all interfaces but local in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:10] <contrast83_> osh_: VirtualBox?
[10:10] <bachir> salut
[10:10] <bachir> comment ça va
[10:10] <contrast83_> !fr
[10:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:11] <RedDevil> I'm using kubuntu on a windows environment...
[10:11] <RedDevil> may I help you?
[10:11] <contrast83_> Heh
[10:11] <Selanit> I bet it froze because the installation of the updated debconf segfaulted
[10:12] <jarle> Selanit: correct.... fix?
[10:12] <qwandor> I just upgraded to Gutsy, and now I cannot change my desktop background (I can set it, but the setting has no effect)
[10:12] <qwandor> any ideas why or how to fix?
[10:12] <Selanit> jarle: what?
[10:12] <jarle> Selanit: installation of the updated debconf segfaulted, why?
[10:12] <Selanit> Jarle: oh, I wasn't responding to your question - see, my installation of debconf segfaulted too
[10:13] <Selanit> I was just pondering
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: sudo aptitude -f install  ?          sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y dist-upgrade ?
[10:13] <Selanit> WaltzingAlong, none of those work because /var/lib/dpkg is locked
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | Selanit
[10:13] <ubotu> Selanit: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:13] <jarle> Selanit: then we have the same problem it seems...
[10:13] <Selanit> I'm isolating and killing processes spawned by the dead update using ps aux | grep adept
[10:13] <Selanit> oh
[10:14] <Selanit> But there's a better solution it seems
[10:15] <Selanit> WaltzingAlong:  is that » part of the command?
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> no just the things within the << and >>
[10:15] <Selanit> Ah
[10:16] <Selanit> Hmm.  Check this:
[10:16] <Selanit> Kill process 14347 ? (y/N) y
[10:16] <Selanit> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> ps aux | grep apt
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> ps aux | grep dpkg
[10:17] <jarle> this is why I waited about a week before upgrade to gutsy, I wanted a smooth install, but seems like a week was not enough :)
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: went smooth for me and i did so a week before
[10:18] <Selanit> Interestingly, the process ID that it asks me to kill changes every time I run the fuser -vki command
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: seems there may be several apt/dpkg/adept and so on open
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: killall appname
[10:19] <qwandor> can other people successfully change their desktop background on Kubuntu?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> qwandor: yes
[10:19] <Selanit> ps aux | grep dpkg shows only one process, but every time I kill it, it's still there
[10:20] <qwandor> hmm
[10:20] <osh_> RedDevil: Sorry, I was on the phone.
[10:20] <hangthedj> qwandor, yes
[10:20] <qwandor> I cannot find any bug reports either
[10:21] <osh_> RedDevil: I'm trying to connect to a windows printer in our AD but when I connect (smb://ad-name.domain.com) no printers show up, only folders and machines.
[10:21] <hangthedj> If you can't find anything and nothing is working, file a bug report, with your system information, and whats happening.
[10:21] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: I experience the same problem: "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[10:21] <osh_> RedDevil: Do you have any idea on how to connect to a printer that's been setup like that?
[10:22] <Selanit> jarle: what happens when you sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a  ...?
[10:22]  * contrast83_ chuckles at the irony of typing "exec killall -1 katapult" into Katapult.
[10:23] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: Thats when I get: "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[10:23] <hangthedj> is adept running? ps ax|grep adept?
[10:23] <Jucato> contrast83_: um.. why? (aside from the irony?)
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: because of the second part, dpkg --configure
[10:23] <qwandor> does anybody know what [$d] does in a kde config file?
[10:24] <qwandor> I know that [$i] prevents the option from being changed
[10:24] <jarle> I seem to have a lot of "usr/bin/python /tmp/kde-root/adept_manager6ANQya.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE --have-prerequists --with-network" running, better kill them and try again I guess..
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> try fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock         get just one process using it?
[10:26] <Selanit> I too have multiple adept processes running.  I suspect that those are still active, and that every time I kill a dpkg process, they immediately spawn another one
[10:27] <WaltzingAlong> do you also have the python script running dist-upgrade.py ?
[10:28] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: this does not return anything...
[10:28] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: yes
[10:28] <Selanit> Ahhhh
[10:28] <Selanit> I managed to kill all the adept processes, which were actually python scripts that Adept spawned
[10:28] <Selanit> And now I can use apt again
[10:29] <Selanit> jarle, try sudo killall python (assuming that you don't have any other critical python scripts running)
[10:31] <qrawl> !ipv6
[10:31] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:34] <qwandor> aha: deleting a whole lot of stuff from .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc solved my problem
[10:34] <qwandor> still odd though
[10:36] <Selanit> Okay, now that I've got my apt back I'm not sure how to recover.  If I sudo apt-get -f install, it lists off a ton of things to install to correct unmet dependencies of existing packages.  Do I do that?
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: yes. you could also do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade   (or sudo aptitude -f install) and even after the -f install you will want to run a dist-upgrade
[10:38] <TimS> LOL According to the malware alarm I have Trojans and Backdoor viruses and 26 peices of malware XD
[10:38] <Selanit> righto.  -f install and then a dist-upgrade
[10:38] <Selanit> Sigh
[10:38] <TimS> Stupid adverts
[10:38] <TimS> IM ON LINUX XD
[10:38] <Selanit> Hope this works
[10:39] <contrast83> TimS: Our advanced software has detected your system may ALREADY BE INFECTED. Click here now to fix this!!!111
[10:39] <TimS> Its soo stupid
[10:39] <TimS> But why did Ad block plus not stop it
[10:40] <Selanit> Man, MS really shot itself in the foot with Vista
[10:40] <TimS> Foot, and the chest
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> so help everyone you know get to gnu/linux based distros like kubuntu; not only installing but also some walkthroughs of where things are. one of my clients kept asking for weeks where "C:\" was and the letters of the removable media (digital cameras and such); as i mentioned, after a few days with it the kubuntu way, it was much nice and easier than remembering an arcane drive letter
[10:43] <contrast83> ^ +1
[10:43] <emilsedgh> ^ -1
[10:43] <contrast83> I cringe everytime I have to navigate through the filesystem (to use the term loosely) on a Windows system.
[10:44] <Selanit> I intend to plug Ubuntu at the end of the term as a great way for my students to continue studying web development on their own.
[10:44] <contrast83> What's crazy is I used Windows for 10 years. I've used Linux for 1, and I'm already much more comfortable in it.
[10:45] <contrast83> Selanit: Do you show them Quanta?
[10:45] <contrast83> I hear that's one of the best Linux apps for web development.
[10:45] <Selanit> I teach them hand coding using very basic text editors, because that's the best way to really grok HTML and CSS.  Then later on, once they've got a solid understanding of the code, they can go use more powerful programs.
[10:46] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: while ms windows *may be* easier to start, there is certainly a peak which is reached rather quickly. with gnu/linux based distros like kubuntu that easier to start is not an ms windows only (or not a what we have been using for the last 10 years only) quality, but the level of knowledge and capacity to learn more and do more is bounds higher
[10:47] <contrast83> Agreed, I think. :-)
[10:47] <Selanit> Hmm.  My Firefox just crashed.  Perhaps it was unwise to try opening a new page in the middle of a dist-upgrade
[10:49] <contrast83> I dunno. I think things in Linux tend to follow a very clean logic. How quickly you take to it over Windows, or vice versa, just depends on how logical a person you are. :-P
[10:52] <Hamra> hi all, i always believed that learning to use the computer is done by practice and trial & error, but unfortunatly this consumes time, my knowledge in windows comes from the fact that ive been using it for a decade, but i only installed linux 2 weeks ago, is there any guide to speed up this learning process?
[10:53] <Selanit> Crud - the dist-upgrade got a long way in and then exited with an error code
[10:53] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: what would you like to do with your gnu/linux installation?
[10:53] <jimmydee> Hamra: crystal meth and no sleep
[10:53] <contrast83> lol
[10:54] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: check the manuals. in a !terminal, man <appname>
[10:54] <Hamra> nothing specific, in general, the common stuff
[10:54] <jimmydee> yeah, read the man man
[10:54] <contrast83> Blah
[10:54] <Selanit> I think New Riders Press has published a couple books introducing Ubuntu
[10:54] <sub[t]rnl> hang around here long enough and you'll pick up a thing or two
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: like check email and surf the web?
[10:55] <WaltzingAlong> try something, when it does not work use the available tools (start with the logs!) to diagnose what happened
[10:56] <sub[t]rnl> WaltzingAlong: got nmap on your box?
[10:56] <Hamra> thnx a lot, maybe i should start reading man
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> sub[t]rnl: yes
[10:56] <toby> Any clue yet when Gutsy is going to get moved into the standard repositories? Currently it's only installable via Adept if you enable the "Pre-released updates" repo.
[10:56] <sub[t]rnl> Hamra: yeah, just read whatever you come across
[10:59] <Jucato> toby: um... Gutsy's already released (a.k.a. "in the standard repositories")
[11:01] <Selanit> SELECT * FROM glyphs WHERE Page = 150 AND Pos > 4;
[11:01] <Selanit> Ack
[11:01] <Selanit> Wrong place to type
[11:01] <Selanit> disregard
[11:01] <toby> Jucato: It wasn't last night when I checked (for Kubuntu, I mean). Did it get moved to the standard repos in the last 12 hours?
[11:02] <Jucato> um. last week
[11:02] <acey> Can someone help me with something?
[11:02] <Jucato> toby: what exactly are you doing?
[11:02] <Jucato> !someone | acey
[11:02] <ubotu> acey: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:02] <acey> lol i didn't know if anyone was one, whats the equivalent in KDE to th gconf-editor?
[11:03] <Jucato> nothing. you don't need it :D
[11:03] <toby> Jucato: I think we're at crossed purposes here :) I want to upgrade from Kubuntu Feisty to Gutsy using Adept. With the standard repos enabled the update isn't made available. You have to enable "PreReleased updates" as per instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[11:03] <jimmydee> acey: kate
[11:03] <Jucato> jimmydee: almost all (almost) available options for KDE and apps are in configuration dialog boxes
[11:03] <Jucato> er..
[11:03] <Jucato> acey: almost all (almost) available options for KDE and apps are in configuration dialog boxes
[11:03] <Jucato> jimmydee: you have no idea what gconf-editor is do you? :)
[11:04] <acey> yea I do I installed it it because someone told me I need it to make the shortcuts appear on my desktop
[11:04] <Jucato> toby: yes. that doesn't mean gutsy isn't on the standard repos.
[11:04] <jimmydee> I got it screwed up with gedit
[11:04] <jimmydee> I'm tired leave me alone
[11:04] <acey> like make the Home and trash bin shortcuts appear on my desktop
[11:04]  * Jucato leaves jimmydee alone w/ a cookie
[11:04] <Jucato> acey: that's on GNOME. not on KDE
[11:04] <acey> Oo so you can't have shortcuts on KDE?
[11:04] <Jucato> of course you can
[11:04] <acey> well can you please tell me how? lol
[11:05] <qwandor> acey: just right click on the desktop, configure, behaviour
[11:05] <qwandor> tick 'show icons on desktop'
[11:05] <acey> there all checked
[11:05] <Jucato> right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to location (URL)
[11:05] <Jucato> for home, just type $HOME or ~ as the URL
[11:05] <acey> srry nvm it is already checked
[11:05] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?
[11:05] <Jucato> for trash, use trash:/
[11:05] <leroy> anybody using kde4beta3?
[11:06] <qwandor> if you want to add new icons, the easiest may be to drag icons from e.g. the panel and select copy
[11:06] <Jucato> toby: the Pre-released updates that you enable is to upgrade Adept on feisty to a version that supports the upgrade to Gutsy feature
[11:06] <qwandor> or what Jucato said
[11:06] <Jucato> if the icons are on the said panel already :)
[11:06] <qwandor> yes
[11:06] <epimeth> Jucato: long time no seeee :-)
[11:06] <Jucato> default Kubuntu setup, it isn't.
[11:07] <Jucato> hi epimeth! long time :)
[11:07] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?
[11:07] <epimeth> Jucato: you checked out kde4 yet?
[11:07] <qwandor> ok, never mind then
[11:07] <acey> Ok so how do I make a icon with the home shortcut?
[11:07] <WaltzingAlong> toby: you can merely change the entries in your sources.list file from feisty to gutsy then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade  but the adept updater tool is meant to assure a cleaner upgrade
[11:07] <acey> Because it made an icon with the trash bin shortcut I made just not with the home
[11:08] <Selanit> Oo, I think it's done.  I'd better log out, restart X, and log back in to see if things are working.
[11:08] <Jucato> acey: right-click on the icon -> PRoperties -> click on the icon in the box and search for Home
[11:08] <toby> Jucato: This page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyComments says that enabling pre-released updates will not be required "in about a week" which, from the date that comment was made, is about now.
[11:08] <acey> K sweet thanks for the help
[11:08] <acey> O and what about one for storage media?
[11:08] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:09] <Jucato> toby: if not enabling Pre-released didn't work, then enable it to make it work :)
[11:09] <epimeth> I installed yesterday by changing feisty to gutsy and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:09] <epimeth> but I have universe and multiverse enabled, too....
[11:09] <qwandor> acey: try putting media:/ as the URI
[11:09] <Jucato> epimeth: you might not end up with all the right packages
[11:09] <toby> Jucato: I'm nervous of enabling Pre-released though because I don't understand it. Will it not bring a load of alpha software down with it if I enable it? :D
[11:09] <Jucato> no
[11:10] <epimeth> Jucato: everything seems to be working a-ok
[11:10] <Jucato> and even if they did, they'd be overwritten by the newer versions in Gutys :)
[11:10] <acey> K sweet thanks for your help it works
[11:10] <epimeth> except for kde4.... heh
[11:10] <Jucato> epimeth: you have strigi? dolphin?
[11:10] <epimeth> hrm... didn't try dolphin
[11:10] <epimeth> yup
[11:10] <epimeth> dolphin works
[11:10] <epimeth> but
[11:10] <Jucato> ok
[11:10] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:10] <epimeth> Failed to contact Nepokum service
[11:11] <Jucato> hm... are you using the dolphin from KDE4?
[11:11] <epimeth> doesn't seem like I have strigi
[11:11]  * Jucato is talking about strigi and dolphin on KDE3 in Kubuntu Gutsy
[11:11] <epimeth> lol
[11:11] <epimeth> oh
[11:11] <epimeth> no, I'm in kde4 right now
[11:11] <epimeth> just wanted to check it out
[11:11] <Jucato> if you didn't get those, then there might other stuff you didn't get because you just manually used apt-get
[11:12] <epimeth> it doesn't seem to work, exactly :-)
[11:12] <epimeth> plasma, specifically, doesn't seem to actually do anything
[11:12] <epimeth> and I don't have a k-menu
[11:12] <Jucato> yes, because plasma is still in slightly alpha
[11:12] <epimeth> and my windows don't appear on the system tray
[11:13] <epimeth> erm task panel
[11:13] <Jucato> the menu function was added after the beta3 freeze. long story
[11:13] <epimeth> engine explorer doesn't work....
[11:14] <epimeth> alt+tab doesn't highlight what will open....
[11:14] <epimeth> grrr
[11:14] <epimeth> going back to 3
[11:14] <epimeth> brb
[11:15] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:15] <epimeth> ahoy there
[11:16] <epimeth> so to answer your prior query, yes dolphin works... dunno if its the right version tho
[11:16] <Jucato> simple. Help -> About Dolphin :)
[11:16] <Jucato> or if it looks krappy
[11:16] <epimeth> 0.9.2
[11:16] <Jucato> that would be the right one
[11:16] <epimeth> lol... "looks crappy" eh?  well the one in kde4 looked better than this,  but this looks better than the previous one I saw :-)
[11:17] <epimeth> as for strigi... it's *trying* to run.... what is it?
[11:17] <vistakiller> today akregator is not working :(
[11:18] <vistakiller> yesterday was working fine
[11:18] <vistakiller> anyone else with the same problem?
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> !strigi
[11:18] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[11:19] <mefisto__> I've been figuring out how to mount a NFS share, but can't get past this problem: symbolic links on the remote mounted NFS don't work. Is there an option I need to add to the fstab line to get mounted NFS to respect symlinks?
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> i removed strigi and its associated files. i really do not need desktop search (yet) and would not think strigi is the way to fill that demand should i have it. i suppose it was included since ubuntuG bragged about that with 7.10 and ubuntuK needed to have the counterpart
[11:21] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: I supposed so too
[11:21] <Jucato> I'm still waiting for the final kde4 version
[11:21] <M_A_K> Can someone help me with a newtorking problem please...  Im using a ubuntu machine as my gateway (so I can log stuff using squid and dansguardian).  From my computer I can ping the gateway (both interfaces) and from the gateway I can ping my workstation.  I can ping the internet from the gateway and surf, but from my workstation I cannot get past the gateway.
[11:22] <Selanit> Well.  I am happy to report that my upgrade to gutsy gibbon appears to have completed successfully.
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: great
[11:22] <Selanit> I am less happy to report that it wiped out the module that runs my network card, and that I am now logged in from my Windoze laptop.
[11:22] <epimeth> Jucato: I'm glancing at the kde4 site... it says plasma works... do I need to enable pre-release?
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: which module?
[11:23] <Selanit> RT61
[11:23] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: check the topic for instructions on installing kde4beta3 in kubuntu 7.10
[11:23] <qwandor> mefisto__: what type of NFS server are you using?
[11:23] <Selanit> I've got an edimax EW7128 wifi card in my desktop because it wasn't practical to run cable from the cable access point to my desktop
[11:24] <Selanit> I'll have to download the .deb files for it, copy them to a thumb drive, and install them
[11:24] <Jucato> epimeth: you need to compile from source if you really want to experience how plasma works at this time :D
[11:24] <epimeth> ahhh
[11:24] <Selanit> But not right now, because it's five AM and I really ought to get some sleep.
[11:24] <epimeth> right
[11:24] <mefisto__> qwandor: I installed nfs-kernel-server, so I suppose I'm using that. Is that what you're asking?
[11:25] <andrew_> newbie question.  how do i tell which version of kubuntu i have running?
[11:25] <Selanit> So, thanks for the help, people.  And good night/morning/day/afternoon, depending on where you are.  Ta!
[11:25] <qwandor> mefisto__: so, both client and server are running Linux, and the server is running the kernel NFS server?
[11:25] <Jucato> andrew_: type "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[11:26] <qwandor> andrew_: or cat /etc/issue
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> andrew_: you could check cat /etc/lsb-release   or as Jucato  mentioned
[11:26] <andrew_> awesome, that's the dog!  thanks!
[11:26] <epimeth> Jucato: nothing in the wiki about kde4 in gutsy... where is this topic discussion you're talking about? :-)
[11:26] <Jucato> (lsb_release just prints out /etc/lsb-release in a nice way)
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> lsb_release -a takes forever! :D with cat being more or less instant
[11:26] <mefisto__> qwandor: that is correct. (both running feisty)
[11:26] <Jucato> epimeth: topic discussion?
[11:26] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: it does? O.o
[11:26] <M_A_K> Can someone help me with a networking problem?
[11:27] <M_A_K> Please...:)
[11:27] <epimeth> Jucato: whups... that wasn't you..
[11:27] <qwandor> mefisto__: I think it should just work then... what happens when you try to create a symlink?
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: trace ping route
[11:27] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: what topic where?  the link from kubuntu's home page?  I went according to those instructions
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: that is what you needed to do to get kde4beta3 on your system
[11:28] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: it's on my system... it just doesn't exactly "work"
[11:28] <epimeth> plasma doesn't do anything, and plasma application loader/explorer/whatever doesn't exist
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: basically you can run individual apps with it should you know their names
[11:28] <mefisto__> qwandor: the problem is existing symlinks on the mounted fs don't lead to their targets
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: or build it from svn
[11:28] <M_A_K> Waltzingalong: I have
[11:29] <douglas> hello my screen settings are messed up but only for one user. How do you set this? Fine with vim.
[11:29] <M_A_K> I don;t see a problem.
[11:29] <M_A_K> Yet it still does not work.
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41913/ 6.5seconds?
[11:29] <qwandor> mefisto__: are there targets at the same location on the client?
[11:29] <epimeth> right... haven't compiled something from source in a while... lets do it! :-)
[11:29] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: seriously? whoa!
[11:29] <qwandor> if not, then I think you are misunderstanding what symlinks are
[11:29] <patrick_> in the xorg conf i have specified several resolutions... is there a shortkey to switch between them?
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> and i ran it three time is a row, that was the 3rd time Jucato
[11:29] <Jucato> weird
[11:30] <M_A_K> from gateway I can get to the internet, from workstation I can get to gatewaym but not internet...
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> and again now, 7.1 seconds
[11:30]  * Jucato is bored... plays with the mouse....
[11:30] <douglas> patrick_:  I think it might be ctrl + on the number pad
[11:30] <epimeth> stop toying with your food, Jucato
[11:30] <emilsedgh> Jucato: play frozen bubble, its really fun :P
[11:30] <Jucato> *meow*
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: dns settings? ping www.kubuntu.org ? tracepath www.kubuntu.org
[11:30] <epimeth> I'm addicted to netwalk
[11:30] <mefisto__> qwandor: the targets point to another partition which mounted on the remote system
[11:31] <epimeth> I keep trying to beat 55... it just isn't happening tho
[11:31] <M_A_K> Waltzingalong: I can do that from the gateway, but not the workstation.
[11:31] <qwandor> mefisto__: then it should not be expected to work
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> ok and pastebin the results from the workstation? M_A_K
[11:32] <tysonsw> can someone plz help me.. I have lost ALL my network mapping.. I  cant se any wireless nor se if there are any connection with cable.. what have changhed that shoulden't be changed?
[11:32] <qwandor> mefisto__: symlinks are _symbolic_ links so just give the path of some file that they are pointing to
[11:32] <M_A_K> OK, brb
[11:32] <qwandor> mefisto__: depending on what you are trying to acheive, you may want to use hardlinks etc.
[11:32] <patrick_> douglas: it works with ctrl alt +(num pad). But now I'm on a laptop... do you know what it is there?
[11:33] <douglas> same??
[11:33] <mefisto__> qwandor: thanks, I think I'll look into what the difference is between symlinks and hardlinks
[11:33] <epimeth> tysonsw: you can't see any networks or is there no wireless networks title in network manager?
[11:35] <tysonsw> epimeth: no wireless network title in the network manager
[11:35] <patrick_> douglas: I have no numpad on my laptop!! ;)
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> Fn
[11:35] <tysonsw> epimeth: if I right-click on the network manager the title "wire connection" and wireless connection" have diapered
[11:36] <epimeth> tysonsw: hrm... okay.  pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:36] <M_A_K> WaltzingALong : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41914/
[11:36] <douglas> patrick_: but can't you do some sort of shift-ctrl or whatever to make one happen in the center of the normal keyboard?
[11:36] <epimeth> tysonsw: and while we're at it, I'd like to see your ifconfig results
[11:37] <epimeth> tysonsw: ^ in a console window type 'ifconfig' (noquotes) and pastebin the result
[11:37] <tysonsw> epimeth: okej...  I paste bin the in the same sinde
[11:37] <epimeth> tysonsw: where's the link?
[11:37] <douglas> so does anyone know how to set the xorg.config but just for one user? or something like it to fix a monitor setting that is just for one user?
[11:38] <tysonsw> ifconfig
[11:38] <tysonsw> epimeth: http://pastebin.ca/747781
[11:41] <epimeth> tysonsw: try changing /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastebin.ca/747784
[11:42] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : any other commands you like me to try?
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: then run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[11:42] <[ifr0g]> !apport
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <[ifr0g]> !apport-cli
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport-cli - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: keep in mind that this will drop your internet connection
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: I'll wait here till you get back
[11:43] <cptnspoon> Hi all, I'm not getting any sound since upgrading to Gutsy, can anyone help me get my soundcard to work? (I've actually got 3)
[11:43] <epimeth> tysonsw: in fact, after the network restarts, restart the computer
[11:43] <arctanx> cptnspoon: Is it not coming out any of your other sound cards?
[11:43] <tysonsw> epimeth: ok.. I will restart nopw.. brb 2 min
[11:43] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Nope, not ANY of them
[11:44] <arctanx> cptnspoon: Odd. Have you set all the levels up on all of them?
[11:44] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Yep, I've got the mixer open and I;ve made sure everything on the Output tab for EACH soundcard is up at least a little
[11:45] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Hahahaha, oh lord...nevermind....my speaker jack to my speakers wasnt in entirely. Now I feel stupid! Hahah!
[11:45] <arctanx> cptnspoon: good work ;)
[11:45] <cptnspoon> arctanx: I now have sound. Hahaha!!
[11:46] <vistakiller> anyone else has problem with akregator?
[11:46] <arctanx> I suppose I should ask again, has anyone seen KDM stop loading for no good reason? Gives a sed error, as described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574737 ?
[11:49] <tysonsw> epimeth: it wtill wont work
[11:50] <epimeth> tysonsw: right click on networkmanager... then hover over "options"
[11:50] <epimeth> tysonsw: do you see a "switch to offline mode" there?
[11:50] <tysonsw> epimeth: yes
[11:50] <Lord_Drachenblut> Morning
[11:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> I'm trying to upgrade kubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10 using the alternative cd but everytime i try to run it i get this error sudo: unable to execute /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade: Permission denied
[11:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> any idea's what i may be doing wrong
[11:52] <epimeth> tysonsw: show me the screencap for "Manual Configuration"
[11:53] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : Do you have any suggestions?
[11:55] <tysonsw> epimeth: how can I do that??
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: checking it now
[11:57] <johnnydk> how do i restrict access for users to certin directories?
[11:57] <johnnydk> is there any program to do so?
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: how about a tracepath kubuntu.com
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: no need for a special program to do it. use the available user and group permission settings
[11:58] <johnnydk> under system settings?
[11:58] <M_A_K> time out...
[11:58] <johnnydk> user management?
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: how far did it get
[11:59] <M_A_K> Looks lik dns issue, but since I can't even ping from workstation to my ISP gateway, I dont expect dns to be working...
[11:59] <M_A_K> ait@ws-13:~$ tracepath kubuntu.org
[11:59] <M_A_K> gethostbyname2: Unknown host
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: you could make a group, put some users in that group, then give that group permission to read/write to the directory
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:59] <M_A_K> ait@ws-13:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:59] <M_A_K> search ait.local
[11:59] <M_A_K> nameserver 24.148.96.1
[11:59] <M_A_K> nameserver 24.148.96.2
[12:00] <mefisto__> back with my NFS problem. What I want is to have access to a thunderbird profile directory on a remote machine, which is in a windows partition mounted in /media on the remote machine. I can access the remote linux fs, but no access to the remote windows partition. The mount point /media/windows just appears as an ordinary folder instead of the (remotely) mounted windows partition. Does the windows partition need a separate
[12:00] <mefisto__> line in fstab to mount?
[12:00] <WaltzingAlong> ok so skip dns, tracepath 91.189.94.158
[12:00] <johnnydk> but how do i give permissions to group?
[12:00] <johnnydk> with chmod?
[12:00] <M_A_K> K
[12:01] <M_A_K> Doesn't get past workstation...
[12:01] <M_A_K> all no reply
[12:01] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: maybe start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FilePermissions
[12:03] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: so the gateway is not performing its gateway functions. how is it set up?
[12:03] <M_A_K> What do you mean?
[12:03] <drarem> fresh install, 7.10, added gcc/make libs, now can't see the internal harddrives to mount but shows up in fdisk -l
[12:04] <M_A_K> Im using iptables, dansguardian, squid, dhcp, nfs, nis
[12:04] <TimS> !deluge
[12:04] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information or http://download.deluge-torrent.org/stable/ubuntu/feisty/ for downloading.
[12:04] <drarem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41920/
[12:05] <drarem> before the drives would show up and I could even browse them without mounting
[12:05] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: i see. so what if on the workstation you set the proxy to the gateway's squid? then the workstation need only access to the gateway and not correct routing on the gateway
[12:05] <drarem> w/o manual mounting
[12:06] <M_A_K> iptables is forcing all traffic to go through dansguardian then to squid now.
[12:06] <drarem> I installed and ran ntfs3-config, and got the NTFS and win95 partitions to mount
[12:07] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: i do not know which setting you need to change exactly but it seems the iptables entries may not be completely correct
[12:07] <M_A_K> I restored the last known working config.   It was working for weeks without issue...
[12:07] <johnnydk> WaltzingAlong: in fact i want to restrict access to ntfs partition sda7 so i would place umask in fstab under that partition. So how to set bits so that partition is not readable to other users than me?
[12:07] <M_A_K> I even tried to reset the firewall to allow all traffic
[12:08] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : I need to sign off for a bit so I can get to work (where the problem is).  I will be back on, if you don't mind helping me, in about 30 minutes as JuJuBee.
[12:08] <epimeth> tysonsw: sorry, my girlfriend demanded I do the dishes
[12:08] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: ok
[12:08] <M_A_K> Thank you.
[12:08] <epimeth> tysonsw: theres a pastebin for images... I forget the site
[12:08] <M_A_K> brb
[12:08] <epimeth> !imagebin
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagebin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <epimeth> !imagepaste
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagepaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <epimeth> anybody know the site for posting screencaps?
[12:09] <hellohello> Anybody knows what DNS server should be used for a DNS server own resolution (network config of the server)?
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: good question i am not sure about that with ntfs partitions; perhaps you could restrict access to the mount point of that partition, removing access from 'other' chmod o-rw
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> hellohello: what? you want to run your own dns? install bind9
[12:12] <hellohello> WaltzingAlong : yes it's done, but I'm configuring it's network and am wondering what should I put under DNS server (like localhost maybe ?)
[12:12] <johnnydk> WaltzingAlong: thanks for your help, i'll google a little bit!
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> hellohello: 127.0.0.1 ?
[12:13] <mefisto__> I can access my nfs-mounted linux fs, but no access to the remote windows partition, mounted in the remote machine's /media dir. Does the remote windows partition need a separate line in fstab to mount?
[12:13] <epimeth> what's the package[s] I need to install to compile something from source?
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> mefisto__: each item you want shared through nfs would need its own line
[12:13] <hellohello> WA : yes I'll try this, thanks for your help
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> build-essential
[12:14] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: cheers
[12:17] <mefisto__> WaltzingAlong: by "each item" do you mean each partition? I've mounted the entire remote fs, so I thought that would include everything inside /media
[12:19] <taylan> hi all
[12:19] <WaltzingAlong> mefisto__: i am not sure. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889
[12:20] <taylan> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[12:20] <X314Z159> so if i deleted some files from a program, and they dont come back if i uninstall then reinstall, how do i get the program to work again?
[12:20] <Lord_Drachenblut> has anyone upgraded there fiesty system to gutsy from the alternative cd?
[12:21] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: sudo aptitude purge <program>  && sudo aptitude install <program>
[12:22] <drarem> what's that ls_ command that shows the current version of ubuntu that's installed?
[12:22] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: i prefer cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:23] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: there is also lsb_release -a  and cat /etc/issue
[12:23] <drarem> thanks
[12:24] <luigi> vi apre hotmail?
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: va bene hotmail in konqueror?
[12:24] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: I'm suposed to type that in somewhere..?
[12:24] <luigi> no neanke in firefox per me
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: you could use adept manager too. just request that the package be purged (removed completely)
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> e in konqueror?
[12:25] <luigi> non lo apre
[12:26] <tysonsw> how do I get my wireless and wire connection tabs back??
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: in konsole scrivi ping www.hotmail.com
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: in network manager? i think you need to remove the eth entries in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <tysonsw> when I rightklicn on knetworkmanager they have disapperad.. hor do I get them back?
[12:26] <luigi> fatto
[12:26] <Greenery> is it normal that on heavy flash site some of the flash overlap or cover the page content?
[12:27] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: purging with adept dident work..
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> Greenery: different browsers render content differently
[12:27] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: rather, the program isnt back now that i purged it and installed it again
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: which package and while file seems to be missing
[12:28] <luigi> e ora?che faccio
[12:28] <Greenery> WaltzingAlong: but both firefox and konqueror render them identically
[12:28] <filemover> hi there Im trying to configure my consol resolutioin and font and Ive managed to add vga=791 to my menu.lst but to get colour i want to use console-setup. I have it installed but everytime I try to run it im told the command can not be found can anyone help thnx
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: e come e' successo?
[12:28] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: well.. there are no files that i can find at all.
[12:29] <luigi> cosa è successo?
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> ah si :D
[12:29] <luigi> esce una cosa tipo questa: 64 bytes from 213.19.160.188: icmp_seq=27 ttl=52 time=43.4 ms
[12:29] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: it doesnt even have a .whatever folder in the home/user/ folder
[12:29] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: will the entrys that shows signal strengt and name of trhe wireless apper again then?
[12:30] <luigi> e sta andando avanti ankora
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: iwlist eth1 scanning ?
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: ctrl+c
[12:30] <luigi> ok si è fermato
[12:31] <luigi> 45 packets transmitted, 45 received, 0% packet loss, time 224444ms
[12:31] <luigi> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.986/44.732/56.050/2.381 ms
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> si
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: yes
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: if you have wireless you get a list of routers if you rightklick on knetworkmanager
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: yes
[12:32] <luigi> infatti mi apre il sito ma nn accedo ai messaggi di posta una volta inserita login e pass
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: how do I get them back
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: non so perche' non funziona www.hotmail.com a firefox
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[12:33] <luigi> ma a te entra?
[12:33] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : I am back.
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> greetings ;D
[12:34] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.ca/747815
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: remove the lines referring to eth0 and eth1.  (or comment them out with # in front)
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: so a me funziona. prova ancora
[12:36] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: and then restart knetworkmanager?
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: yes
[12:37] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : I have added my iptables conf to the paste... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41923/
[12:37] <luigi> ho provato e riprovato ma nn va
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: :(
[12:39] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: thx aalot
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: i really do not know so much about masquerading with iptables
[12:39] <JuJuBee> That is  the NAT stuff as I understand it...
[12:39] <ricercia> does anyone hear know anything about configuring hal?
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: so the logs of squid show nothing about denials?
[12:44] <X314Z159> so if purging doesnt work, then I'm pretty much fucked yeah?
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: which program?
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: purging should remove the package plus its config files
[12:44] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : no.  seems nothing is getting  to squid...
[12:45] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: well.. then installing it should bring everything back again?
[12:45] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: right installing should extract the files and configs from the deb
[12:46] <filemover> can anyone help me with my console-setup problem
[12:48] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: and if it does not?
[12:48] <ardchoille> filemover: What's the problem?
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> !info console-setup | filemover
[12:48] <ubotu> filemover: console-setup: Setup the font and the keyboard on the console. In component main, is important. Version 1.16ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1208 kB
[12:49] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : if  I tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log and then try to browse the web from client, I get no messages in squid
[12:49] <filemover> i  have console-setup installed but it wont run
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: best to understand how far it got or if any errors were reported. sudo aptitude install <package>
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: and i would suspect you should have, at least as far as you wanted that
[12:49] <JuJuBee> Correct...
[12:49] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: and i type that in the run command.. thing?
[12:50] <filemover> i can run console-setup on a debian distro but i cant run it on Kubuntu for some reason
[12:50] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: in konsole, preferably
[12:50] <filemover> I have it installed and reinstalled it to make sure it was up to date
[12:51] <filemover> im looking thruoght the docs and i cant find a thing
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: i do not think there is a 'console-setup' program then installed from console-setup package
[12:52] <ardchoille> filemover:  Any error output when you run it from konsole?
[12:53] <filemover> yes
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: but you probably just want   the effects of  sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup   anyway
[12:53] <filemover> command cant be found :(
[12:53] <filemover> i tried reconfigure
[12:53] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: okay, now i have done that.. then what?
[12:53] <epimeth> installation of beryl on gutsy is the same for feisty
[12:53] <epimeth> ?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: which let you pick the keyboard you wanted and such?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | epimeth
[12:53] <ubotu> epimeth: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: or you wanted something else?
[12:54] <filemover> yes
[12:54] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: beryl and compiz have recombined already?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: any errors?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: yes
[12:54] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: oh. nvm, found it working now. tyvm :)
[12:54] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: shweet
[12:54] <pizzicato> !fglrx
[12:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:54] <filemover> i only want colour
[12:54] <filemover> ive got the resolution fixed with vga=791
[12:55] <filemover> but i used console-setup on debian on a laptop i have and i got colour in links and irssi
[12:56] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : Any other  ideas on what I can check?  I am desparate...I need my classroom up and running.  This all happened after a power outage yesterday...
[12:57] <JuJuBee> Hmmm. after setting the browser on client to the web filter (dansguardian port 8080), I can browse...
[12:58] <JuJuBee> That points to iptables...but the settings are the same as yesterday prior to power outage...
[12:58] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: no not really but seems you are getting closer
[12:58] <WaltzingAlong> yeah i do not know what the power outage would have done, but i suppose just about anything JuJuBee
[12:58] <JuJuBee> Yea, that's the problem...
[13:01] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: hrm... how do I get the cube to work? beryl was easier :-p
[13:02] <jarle> Seems like trying to upgrade to gutsy has messed up my database: trying to start adapt manager: "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." and I do not seem to have apt-setup installed on my system...
[13:03] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: enable rotate cube?
[13:03] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: where???
[13:03] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: results of sudo aptitude -f install   please to pastebin
[13:04] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: in ccsm? advanced desktop settings
[13:04] <DSlicer> Is it bad when my PC shuts off when the power goes out, considering it's plugged into a UPS
[13:05] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: okay... found it... but I have a plane, not a cube... its flat instead of cubey :-(
[13:05] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: maybe someone else knows better. i do not use compiz-fusion with kde
[13:06] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone know how to install KDE4 from SVN?
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> TheFuzzball: you would need to build it from svn
[13:06] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: yea, I'm asking at their channel... thanks tho
[13:06] <emilsedgh> TheFuzzball: http://techbase.kde.org knows
[13:06] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: http://www.pastebin.ca/747838
[13:07] <TheFuzzball> WaltzingAlong: do you know how I would install it to /usr/lib/kde4 like the Beta 3 packages?
[13:08] <jeroen__> Hi
[13:08] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: Dynamic MMap ran out of room !   add an option to the apt.conf file     kdesu kate /etc/apt/apt.conf       and enter there    APT::Cache-Limit "33554432";           then save the file, try sudo aptitude -f install  again
[13:09] <WaltzingAlong> TheFuzzball: using the prefix i suppose. check http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[13:09] <jeroen__> I've got a questio. I've heard something about a 3D interface for ubuntu. WHat's true about this?
[13:10]  * emilsedgh hears about going to space by ubuntu
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> jeroen__: you may be referring to compiz-fusion shipping by default with ubuntu 7.10; try !compiz or #ubuntu or #compiz-fusion
[13:15] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: Does this look safe to do? http://www.pastebin.ca/747844
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: ok so you can cancel that, instead running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: (or first run sudo aptitude -f install and then run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:17] <visit0r> upgrade to gutsy broke my install... it somehow messed up the partitions and cannot mount home
[13:18] <visit0r> device-mapper goes crazy
[13:20] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: What solution do you recon to be the best, I see that "sudo aptitude -f install" would like to remove some of my installed programs...
[13:20] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: maybe I should just go for "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" directly?
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: sure
[13:24] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: seems to be working fine so far... thnx!
[13:24] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : folks at #iptables helped me... Turns out ipforwarding was not enabled for some reason...
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: strange that it would have got turned off; glad it is working
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: great
[13:25] <JuJuBee> Yea, I dont understand  how it got turned off either...
[13:26] <JuJuBee> One more thing to add to my list of things I need to write down for next time... :)
[13:26] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[13:35] <visit0r> apt-get remove evms solved the problem, thanks to google
[13:35] <TimS> !epos
[13:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about epos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:35] <TimS> !info epos
[13:35] <ubotu> epos: Text-to-speech system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.37-5 (gutsy), package size 548 kB, installed size 2368 kB
[13:38] <vti> morning
[13:38] <ScorpKing> afternoon
[13:39] <TimS> evening
[13:39] <vti> Question:  My kde fonts look good.. but how do I change gtk fonts? (too large)
[13:40] <ScorpKing> in kcontrol i think
[13:40] <WaltzingAlong> vti: kmenu/system settings/appearance/gtk styles and fontns
[13:41] <vti> thank you
[13:41] <DaSkreech> Sourceforge sucks :*(
[13:42] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : thanks for your help this morning (morning where I am).
[13:43] <TimS> Ooh the name Kubuntu is up for grabs
[13:44] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: well sure thing. though your own intuition and squid's access log helped too; :p
[13:54] <werty> good morning to room
[13:54]  * Jucato feels the room shift and wave back
[13:55] <werty> if install kubuntu from ubuntu but after a while change my mind can i get rid of ubuntu?
[13:56] <werty> :)
[13:56] <Jucato> yes
[13:56] <werty> how?
[13:56] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php see the Pure KDE and Pure GNOME guides
[13:56]  * genii sips a coffee
[13:57]  * Jucato sips a cup
[13:57]  * Jucato munches it rather
[13:57] <stdin> Jucato: haven't you seen !purekde ?
[13:57] <genii> heh :)
[13:57] <Jucato> ubotu: tell Jucato about purekde
[13:57] <Jucato> bleh
[13:59] <werty> about firefox vs konqueror what do you think/
[13:59] <werty> ?
[13:59] <Jucato> !best | werty
[13:59] <ubotu> werty: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[13:59] <stdin> try both, see what you like
[14:00] <genii> werty: I like Konqueror for a file browser. Firefox not so much
[14:00] <Jucato> my personal opinion would be....
[14:00]  * WaltzingAlong has not thought much of firefox as a file browser either
[14:00] <Jucato> "try both, see what you like" and use what you need or fits your situation
[14:00] <genii> WaltzingAlong: :)
[14:00] <Shapeshifter> How can I get konqueror to remeber my last setup (tree, panes) & location?
[14:00] <Jucato> you definitely haven't tried it on *dows...
[14:00] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: Settings -> Save View Profile
[14:01] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: But it can't just remember the state it had when I closed it last time??
[14:01] <Jucato> well...
[14:01] <Jucato> actually...
[14:02] <Jucato> (it can, but Kubuntu's modification of the Konqueror menus kinda make it difficult to do)
[14:02] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: I'm on gnome, only using Konqueror
[14:03] <ricercia> i tend to find firefox has better site compatibilkty due to it's popularity
[14:03] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: but Kubuntu's Konqueror right?
[14:03] <Lacrymology> kde stopped starting.... I get to the kdm screen, enter username and password and then blackscreen and back to the username-password window again
[14:03] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: Well I'm not sure, I just did apt-get install konqueror and it installed a bunch of dependencies.
[14:03] <vti> I much prefer konqueror to firefox any day.. but yes.. some sites work better in firefox.  there is an "open with firefox" menu item in konqueror if you come across a page like that, but it is pretty rare.
[14:03] <bottiger> If I want to install GIMP 2.4 - should I grap the Debian-package or compile it from the source?
[14:04] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: yep. if you're on Ubuntu, then that;s the case
[14:04] <bottiger> http://next.gimp.org/unix/
[14:04] <bottiger> (ubuntu dosn't have it in their repository yet)
[14:04]  * Jucato would probably compile from source rather than get a package made specifically for Debian....
[14:04] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: So getting a normal Konqueror would be to complicated I guess
[14:05] <[ifr0g]> hi, When i play anything with mplayer i get a blueseen..
[14:06] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: not too complicated: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> and only can hear the sound.
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> ???
[14:06] <Lacrymology> I notice the nVidia splash screen disapeared but changing the driver to "nv" didn't help
[14:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info gimp | bottiger
[14:06] <ubotu> bottiger: gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 3800 kB, installed size 10476 kB
[14:06] <Lacrymology> anyone?
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> sorry a green scrabled screen
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> Lacrymology: the nvidia splash screen would work only with the nvidia driver and when the option to not show it is missing
[14:07] <ricercia> Lacrymology: nv is the open-source driver (no splash) if u want to use offical nvidia driver use nvidia
[14:07] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: yes - that's RC3 - over a month old :)
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: luckily not always is age such a bad thing, otherwise i may be tossed out on the street now, being at least 300 months old
[14:08] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: weird rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror': No such file or directory
[14:09] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: weird indeed....
[14:09] <Shapeshifter> but Konqueror ist still the same. where should I be able to configure that "remember" thing?
[14:09] <Jucato> in the Settings menu -> Save View Change per Folder
[14:09] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: but you are missing the point :P 2.4 Final is out - I want to test it
[14:10] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: mh, it's greyd out
[14:10] <Jucato> restart Konqueror
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: perhaps build it from source or find an ubuntu specific build (ymmv with the for debian build)
[14:10] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: did so
[14:10] <Jucato> weird...
[14:11] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: mh, now it worked... Had to change the current folder.
[14:13] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: But it's still not working. I mean I would like Konqueror to be the same when I open it as it was when I closed it, say 5 minutes ago, or 4 months. It should just open the location I was last time and the view there. save per folder sounds like it remembers layouts for folders, that's not really what I mean
[14:14] <WaltzingAlong> Shapeshifter: kind of a 'session' to be restored from where you last were, like opera can do or kde with open windows
[14:15] <Shapeshifter> WaltzingAlong: Yes exactly, firefox can do it as well. Even Windows XP can do it with opened windows when it was shutdown ^^
[14:17] <WaltzingAlong> Shapeshifter: i do not know of that feature in konqueror or how to enable it if it is there
[14:21] <Lacrymology> hey, is there any known issues with the last updates? KDE won't start..
[14:22] <Lacrymology> now I've been able to run it in "failsafe" which gives me an x-term and nothing else
[14:22] <adaran> i upgraded to gutsy and my video drivers should be AIGLX enabled. what's the "proper" way to enable desktop effects (compiz fusion?)
[14:24] <carbon_monoxide> hello mates
[14:25] <ScorpKing> in timezones - does UTC = GMT?
[14:25] <jpatrick> yep
[14:25] <ScorpKing> ah ok. ty
[14:26] <carbon_monoxide> does compiz bundled with Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon?
[14:27] <Jucato> !compiz | carbon_monoxide
[14:27] <ubotu> carbon_monoxide: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:27] <[ifr0g]> !codecs
[14:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:27] <Jucato> FAQ #1 strikes again! :)
[14:27] <carbon_monoxide> thx Jucato
[14:28] <carbon_monoxide> anyone is experiencing Compiz on Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon
[14:28] <carbon_monoxide> ?
[14:28] <[ifr0g]> !avi
[14:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:28] <eindbaas> Hi! I want to install the newest version of xserver-xorg-video-intel, as the one in feisty-security is not working with my video card, I'm a bit confused as to what sources i should add to sources.list to get the newest release.
[14:29] <werty> where can i find a player for .3gp video files
[14:29] <werty> ?
[14:30] <ScorpKing> werty: vlc plays it but i don't get sound. some phone can be set to record mp4
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :)
[14:30] <werty> i have one w300i..?
[14:30] <ScorpKing> phones*
[14:30] <carbon_monoxide> hey BluesKay
[14:30] <werty> sony ericsson
[14:30] <carbon_monoxide> opps, BluesKaj
[14:30] <[ifr0g]> Why is the extracodecs package missing ?
[14:30] <Kamaz> Hello
[14:31] <BluesKaj> hi carbon_monoxide
[14:31] <Kamaz> I have problems with Kubuntu 7.10 installation on my compaq laptop
[14:31] <BluesKaj> !hi  | Kamaz
[14:31] <ubotu> Kamaz: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:32] <ScorpKing> werty: not sure. google around. i have a motorola v360v and it's quite programmeble. ;)
[14:32] <Kamaz> ubotu: thanks :)
[14:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Kamaz, state your problem , maybe someone can help ...ubotu is a bot btw
[14:34] <Kamaz> The problem as i think in my brodcom wifi. in the begining of the installation process kubuntu hangs.
[14:34] <ScorpKing> konversation seems to be loafing today. after a little while i get lag and then it just kicks me off. (498ms lag atm) what could cause that?
[14:35] <genii> ScorpKing: Try a tracepath to see if you have some horribly slow servers in between
[14:35] <ScorpKing> will do. ty genii. :D
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !info broadcom
[14:35] <ubotu> Package broadcom does not exist in gutsy
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[14:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:36] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: bmcXXX module missing for your wireless?
[14:37] <trappist> anybody have a recommendation for a fully pseudo-transparent, borderless console app?
[14:37] <Kamaz> yes, i see something like bmcxxx module missing in the log
[14:38] <trappist> I used to use Eterm and mrxvt, but they're both giving me problems
[14:38] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: what is the missing module called?
[14:39] <Kamaz> let me start installation, i check what exectly happens
[14:39] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: look at this as well - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[14:39] <blendtux> anybody tried already the gimp in gutsy gibbon ??
[14:40] <trappist> blendtux: just now, yes
[14:40] <genii> blendtux: Seems to work fine for me.
[14:40]  * ScorpKing is away for now...
[14:41] <blendtux> oke what happes if you do file --> new
[14:41] <Kamaz> how can i run installation not in graphic mode?
[14:41] <genii> Kamaz: Install from the alternate CD
[14:41] <boris_> i have problem upgading kubunt on 7.10
[14:44] <kaminix> Sweet, is this kdelibs4c2a I'm getting via apt the Kopete bugfix going live? :)
[14:47] <Kamaz> when i press 'Esc' in the installation menu (on boot up) it leave graphic mode and display 'boot:' - if it possible to disable installation of wifi module on this step?
[14:50] <posingaspopular> when i click on Adept for updates, I get a 'database locked' error. If I click 'yes' to try and resolve the issue, adept crashes. anyone seen this before
[14:50] <posingaspopular> boris_: you have troubles updating packages or upgrading to 7.10
[14:51] <Jucato> posingaspopular: how are you starting Adept? from the system tray icon? from the menu?
[14:52] <bentob0x> is there features about drivers, safe-mode restart etc on 7.10 that are in ubuntu but not in kubuntu?
[14:53] <bascule> posingaspopular: yeah I've seen it
[14:53] <bascule> !locked
[14:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locked - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:53] <bascule> !adept
[14:53] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[14:54] <Jucato> !aptlock
[14:54] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:54] <bascule> thanks Jucato
[14:54]  * Jucato is more interested in the error though...
[14:54] <posingaspopular> Jucato: from the ... task bar? the one at the bottom.
[14:54] <n8k99> bentob0x:  they have gnome
[14:54] <Jucato> posingaspopular: ah system tray icon
[14:55] <bentob0x> yes but what about that safe-mode restart when your drivers aren't proprely setup?  Is that gnome-specific or simply a new feature in the distro?
[14:56] <posingaspopular> Jucato: thanks, i'll play around with this after the biggie
[14:56] <bascule> bentob0x: it's a feature that has been in *nix systems for ages, ubuntu just made it a boot manager option
[14:56] <Jucato> !aptlock | posingaspopular
[14:56] <ubotu> posingaspopular: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:56] <Jucato> posingaspopular: although I'm quite interested because that option to resolve the problem is new
[14:56] <Jucato> that popup I mean
[14:58] <posingaspopular> okay coolthanksbye
[14:58] <bentob0x> k thx bascule and n8k99
[14:58] <Kamaz> genii: look, in installation process i have error: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. and installation stops. is it possible to add some istallation parameter that can bypass the broadcom driver installation>
[15:00] <kroynos> is there a tutorial on making your desktop into a Cube. right now i can just turn my desktop into a 360 degree turn
[15:02] <jerbear> can someone direct me to a fully compatible sound card? my audigy card is giving me headaches trying to make it work with kmix
[15:02] <arash> kroynos, that sounds like beryl related...
[15:03] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: how to fix it is in that link i gave you.
[15:03] <kroynos> beryl and compiz has merged
[15:04] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: i have the same card btw.
[15:04] <luigi> riuscite a vedere le web cam in internet?
[15:05] <arash> kroynos , havec you checked !effects ?
[15:06] <kroynos> you know arash you are right let me look there
[15:07] <luigi>  riuscite a vedere le web cam in internet?
[15:07] <arash> luigi , what language do you speak?
[15:07] <arash> !sp
[15:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:07] <arash> !it
[15:07] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:07] <luigi> italian
[15:08] <Jucato> !it | luigi
[15:08] <ubotu> luigi: please see above
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: miscusi ma aqui parliamo inglese
[15:10] <genii> Kamaz: This is during Gutsy install it chokes on no bcm43xx firmware?
[15:12] <hellohello>  Cheers everyone !
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> !hi
[15:14] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:15] <ScorpKing> g2g. cheers ppl. bbl
[15:16] <luigi__22> ciao
[15:16] <luigi__22> vi apre http://www.livejasmin.com/freechat.php?performerid=asianSexSiren&tags=girl+age_18_22
[15:16] <luigi__22> ?
[15:17] <Jucato> !it | luigi__22
[15:17] <ubotu> luigi__22: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:17] <evil-rhino> hi...er...so i've been running gutsy for a few weeks now. i just updated adept-manager, and it announced to me that there is a new distribution, and it launched the update tool... what gives??
[15:17] <Jucato> do not spam, and no illegal/illicit things
[15:17] <Jucato> evil-rhino: known bug
[15:18] <evil-rhino> oh, ok, it freaked me out :) should've checked i suppose.
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> evil-rhino: fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release) if you wish to enable it. otherwise, ignore for now
[15:19] <evil-rhino> thanks WaltzingAlong, Jucato.
[15:21] <xsacha> hi. i was wondering if there is some meta-package for building packages in kubuntu? like there is build-essentials for compiling. looking for something that contains debhelper, dpkg-dev and all that
[15:22] <genii> Kamaz: If not an install but on a running system already, you can boot to Recovery, do: ndiswrapper -l     to list the modules it knows about, then ndiswrapper -e <drivername>   and then do a reboot to normal kernel
[15:23] <Jucato> xsacha: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[15:23] <Jucato> xsacha: you might want to look at the logs of yesterday's Open Week too
[15:23] <xsacha> thanks Jucato
[15:24] <Hamra> is there any better compression and archiving tool than ARK? something with more features like WinRAR?
[15:24] <xsacha> tar ?
[15:25] <Jucato> Hamra: you can probably use rar on the command line for those more features...
[15:25] <Vermux> who can help with installing codecs?
[15:25] <Hamra> preferably with a GUI
[15:25] <Jucato> sucky as it is, Ark is probably the best around...
[15:25] <xsacha> doesnt ark use tar?
[15:25] <Jucato> it uses many backends
[15:25] <elite_101> hey
[15:26] <xsacha> it should be fine
[15:26] <Vermux> Jucato: http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/feisty-seveas/all/
[15:26] <Jucato> Vermux: ?
[15:26] <Vermux> have no idea what to do next
[15:27] <Vermux> Jucato: I have no idea what to do next, how do I install the codecs?
[15:28] <poison--> !codecs
[15:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:28] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[15:28] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[15:28] <genii> Vermux: Did you just add that seveas repo to your sources.list?
[15:28] <Jucato> Vermux: the instructions should be thre
[15:28] <werty> i want to add to the windows default button for start.. the kde's start is that possible?
[15:28] <genii> Jucato: Ah, nice :)
[15:28] <Vermux> Jucato: where? I want to install w32codecs
[15:28] <genii> !helpersnack | jucato
[15:28] <ubotu> jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[15:28] <Jucato> !w32codecs | Vermux
[15:28] <ubotu> Vermux: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[15:28] <poison--> lmao
[15:29] <Jucato> genii: thanks. but I said, "should be"... not really sure that it is :P
[15:29] <Jucato> there
[15:29] <werty> ?
[15:29] <poison--> ntfs support on gutsy rocks
[15:29] <Jucato> werty: I forgot how, but it is possible. but with a big disadvantage
[15:30] <Yammeh> It worked on feisty the same, didn't it?
[15:30] <root__> good day
[15:30] <root__> name CYREX
[15:30] <werty> jucato:disadvantage?
[15:30] <Jucato> CYREX: you're still root, and shouldn't go online as root :D
[15:30] <CYREX> yeah i know
[15:30] <CYREX> wanted to ask some things
[15:31] <Vermux> genii: how do I add them to the sources list?
[15:31] <Jucato> werty: you see, right now, Linux/KDE treats the Win key as a modifier key, just like Ctrl and Alt. you can use it with any regular key or with another modifier key and another regular key.
[15:31] <Jucato> werty: meaning, you can use Win+A-Z,1-3, etc
[15:31] <tysonsw> Hello
[15:31] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:32] <werty> oh i see ..ok
[15:32] <werty> jucato:ok :)
[15:32] <Jucato> werty: but if you so choose to just bind the Win key to just launch the menu, that Win key  will be used for that purpose only. just Win, no Win+something
[15:32] <Jucato> werty: but I'm not 100% sure, there might be a way to still have both of best worlds...you'll just have to google for it :P
[15:33] <werty> jucato:i guess i'll stick with the default way
[15:33] <jerbear> is there any alternative to kmix? it doesn't seem to like my card
[15:33] <Jucato> werty: btw, have you tried Katapult?
[15:33] <genii> Vermux: You open the file /etc/apt/sources.list with admin privelege so you can save it. Usually alt-f2 then kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list   works for this. then you add ad the bottom of the file a line with deb followed by the url you want to add as a repository. then you save it. then you open your package manager and it should update the list and give you options to install whatever is in the new repo as well as the ones you
[15:33] <genii> already had.
[15:33] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:33] <werty> not yet..
[15:34] <Jucato> werty: press Alt+Space now. then type in a name of an app
[15:34] <Yammeh> How do I use grep to retrieve everything that isn't what I state?
[15:34] <CYREX> about wifi, i have 3 wifi here that all have same problem, i checked the forums for both ubuntu and kubuntu and did i think 4 tutorials about how some people got their wifi working, i had no luck, my wifi cards are an Advantek Network Card with Chipset RTL8185l, a CNET CWP-854 with chipset rt2561st and a NEXXT wifi card with chipset 88w8335. Another problem is that i cant have any wifi installed on the computer with using the livecd to install kubuntu because
[15:34] <CYREX> it will get freeze before running the kde
[15:34] <Jucato> Yammeh: grep -v "pattern"
[15:34] <Yammeh> thanks :)
[15:35] <werty> jucato:i showed the logo of kutapelt but no field to fullfill..
[15:35] <genii> vermux: So in your case you want to add:  deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/feisty-seveas feisty-seveas all
[15:35] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:35] <Jucato> werty: just start typing. there's no field to type in
[15:35] <genii> tyson: alt-f2 then: emerald --replace
[15:36] <MGTech> Hi all, I have a little problem with grub. When I try to boot my new Kubuntu system "GRUB" is written on the screen after startup, but i don't get in the menu.
[15:39] <Vermux> genii: it doesnt say "seveas all in the example, r u sure?
[15:39] <genii> Vermux: 1 moment and I'll copy/paste it from my own sources.list
[15:40] <xsacha> Jucato: what am i missing? http://pastebin.ca/748000
[15:40] <genii> Vermux: i'm using one of the seveas mirrors, the url is different, but:  deb http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas feisty-seveas all
[15:40] <Jucato> xsacha: what command did you use?
[15:41] <xsacha> sudo bash ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/7.10
[15:41] <Jucato> xsacha: oh that I don't know :(
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: bash ./ati
[15:42] <xsacha> that makes a difference?
[15:42] <xsacha> nup
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: na it was already running (just looked at the post now)
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: otherwise you could use fakeroot perhaps
[15:43] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: sudo gnome-terminal and run whole thing in that?
[15:44] <xsacha> still get the permission denied in a sudo konsole
[15:45] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: no. have you done this before? you probably need a few packages: module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-generic
[15:45] <xsacha> naah havent messed with packages before
[15:45] <xsacha> building them
[15:45] <genii> Vermux: As a sidenote... the deb part tells it that site has packages in debian format, then the url is self explanatory. the part after the url is the distribution you want files for. the third pard is what specific part of the repo to look in
[15:45] <Vermux> genii: no what to I do in order to watch embeded videos in web sites?
[15:46] <Vermux> genii: thanks for the elaboration
[15:46] <genii> Vermux: Depends on the video format.
[15:46] <Jucato> xsacha: not sure if that's the best way to make .deb packages. if you need more help, try #ubuntu-motu
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: running the ati bin to build packages
[15:47] <xsacha> is there an alternative?
[15:47] <Vermux> genii: WMA or windows media player firefox plugin
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: just use the one available in the ubuntu repositories
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | xsacha
[15:47] <ubotu> xsacha: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:47] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: oh it's in repos already? ok
[15:47] <Vermux> genii: CUPlayer.xpi
[15:48] <genii> Vermux: Thats a firefox plugin
[15:48] <Vermux> genii: I c that I have the w32 codects already installed, but still I cant watch videos
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer
[15:48] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.40-5ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[15:48] <genii> Vermux: WaltzingAlong just gave you a good lead
[15:49] <[ifr0g]> When mplaying an avi i get a green screen and this ---> http://pastebin.com/m355b157f                           ...HELP !!
[15:49] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: mmm the repo says 8.37
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Vermux, flashplugin-nonfree
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: yeah may not be lastest
[15:49] <genii> work, Away From Keyboard a few minutes
[15:50] <xsacha> just need this specific version: 8.42
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: then you may wish to use the ati bin to build a deb package as you were doing
[15:51] <xsacha> ok and that error?
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: it may be that you need the devtools i mentioned
[15:51] <Vermux> genii: mozilla mplayer is not in the lsit
[15:51] <xsacha> i have the ones you listed. when i used fakeroot, it told me: fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported
[15:52] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | xsacha, explains how to install via the repos or build your own from the ati bin download
[15:52] <ubotu> xsacha, explains how to install via the repos or build your own from the ati bin download: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:52] <taylan> hi all
[15:53] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I have it installed already
[15:53] <taylan> I am using kubnutu(gutsy) I created A new EXT3 partition(dev/sdb4) and I could not access
[15:54] <WaltzingAlong> taylan: continue. what have you tried? how did you create it?
[15:54] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: i followed those instructions... then i came here
[15:55] <taylan> I used gparted live cd and resized the native ext3 partition.
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: which command did you use with fakeroot?
[15:55] <xsacha> same one without the sudo and bash but with a ./ instead
[15:56] <contrast83> Anyone know if Checkinstall can make a package for something that uses setup.py to install rather than make install?
[15:57] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: and you had the same error?
[15:58] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: no, i got: fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported
[15:59] <WaltzingAlong> ok and without fakeroot and without sudo? xsacha
[16:00] <qrawl> Amarok wont load anymore.  anyone have any ideas how to fix it
[16:00] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: same error
[16:03] <genii> Vermux: in konsole:    sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer           then in Firefox, extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446
[16:03]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: i do not know but it is not a kubuntu specific issue.
[16:04] <xsacha> hmm ok, debian too?
[16:04] <cyrex> ok i downloaded the new cnew wifi drivers and am ok now
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: perhaps you could check http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[16:05] <bottiger> hmm - I upgraded to gutsy, and now my K-menu is dead :) any suggestions?
[16:05] <cyrex> where can i post for people that might have the cnet wifi card so they too can fix it
[16:05] <carbon_monoxide> !codec
[16:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:05] <genii> bottiger: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker
[16:06] <xsacha> mmm i give up
[16:06] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: that page i just sent walks you through it
[16:06] <bottiger> genii: hmm - okey. But appart from the K-menu doesn't show up when I click the K, kicker works fine
[16:06] <genii> cyrex: Perhaps on the ubuntu wiki
[16:06] <xsacha> and it still doesnt work
[16:07] <genii> bottiger: You could delete the ~/.kde  dir and it will re-create with default values next load
[16:07] <WaltzingAlong> in a way i am glad, it becomes a learning opportunity; so you followed the instructions at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[16:07] <xsacha> thats the exact same method i used. same way as other page you gave me before too
[16:08] <bottiger> genii: my whole .kde? no way, then I rather live without the K-menu :P
[16:08] <cyrex> i though the ubuntu wiki was private?
[16:08] <xsacha> install the building packages and then run the --buildpkg option on the binary. same deal
[16:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> bottiger: you missed the last part - it will re-create with default values :)
[16:08] <bottiger> Daisuke_Laptop: I didn't miss that part:)
[16:08] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: i guess my point is just that this a known working solution
[16:09] <genii> bottiger: LOL, well, it's an option. I'd try the kicker reinstall first tho
[16:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, then a lot of custom configuration :)
[16:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> there was a repo for commercial software (opera, skype, etc)...  does it not exist for gutsy (yet)?
[16:11] <xsacha> thats the only way to install it. i have a stock gutsy clean install. guess im stuffed
[16:11] <xsacha> <-- given up :P
[16:11] <bottiger> genii: well - reinstalling it did the trick :)
[16:11] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: also you can just have the installer install it rather than making a package
[16:12] <xsacha> well yeah but i think i'll be uninstalling it -- not sure yet
[16:12] <genii> bottiger: good
[16:12] <WaltzingAlong> first reaction: system is broken (fault of others); after some realization later: oops, guess i typed it wrong (ie my fault)
[16:12] <xsacha> copy/paste ftw
[16:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> WaltzingAlong: that seems to be a common train of thought for new linux users :)
[16:13] <genii> bottiger: There is a manual way also, described here: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552525
[16:13] <genii> Just for general info
[16:13] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Laptop: in my experience is it more general than just new gnu/linux users
[16:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> the reason i say new is that an experienced user generally doesn't blame others for a broken system, knowing it's likely something he did
[16:14] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: is it hard to uninstall if i dont use a package. or.. can i risk it?
[16:15] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: then the package managers cannot help you, sure; though certainly it is possible to remove; about risking it, you were the one wanting v8.42 rather than the repos 8.37
[16:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm guessing this is about ati drivers?
[16:16] <xsacha> the repos 8.37 doesnt work for me
[16:16] <cyrex> where can i get this repos you are talking about
[16:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repos
[16:17] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[16:17] <Vermux> genii: xine doesnt work fine with the wma, neither firefox plugin to watch web site video.
[16:17] <jjj__> can i install kubuntu on fat32?
[16:17] <xsacha> the reason i wanted the package was so i could easily have a sneak peak at 8.42.. see if it fixes my problem. if not, go back to radeon
[16:18] <genii> Vermux: You need the proper codecs for the player to use.
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> !w32codecs
[16:18] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[16:18] <skysee> Bonjour
[16:18] <jjj__> can i install kubuntu on fat32?
[16:19] <stamen> hi, I have 2 questions
[16:19] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[16:19] <skysee> Ya t'il une personne parlant francais pour résoudre mon problème
[16:19] <stamen> 1. Why I can't change my login manager?
[16:19] <ice9__> am I missing something
[16:19] <Asteron> je parle un peu de francais
[16:20] <xsacha> i guess ill wait for a distro's livecd that includes 8.42 or something
[16:20] <Vermux> genii: xine doesnt work well. the mosue operation stuck
[16:20] <Jucato> !fr | Asteron
[16:20] <ubotu> Asteron: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:20] <stamen> When I tryed to change it it ugl with logo of KDE
[16:20] <Jucato> ice9__: please install software-properties-kde
[16:20] <stamen> and now I can't restore it
[16:20] <jjj__> !ph
[16:20] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog
[16:20] <stamen> 2. Why after trying to aply version upgrade from adept, the upgrader crashesh every time
[16:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> why are people so impatient about getting the latest unstable bleeding edge ati driver?
[16:21] <ackbahr> Hi! Feisty Fawn here. When I unplug my laptop from its power source, it sometimes goes to "suspend"; no setting specifies this, and I don't want it of course! Could someone help me?
[16:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> they will hit the repos, be patient.
[16:21] <genii> Vermux: About xine I don't know, i do not use it much. But usually each player needs it's own codec pack etc.
[16:21] <Jucato> !openweek
[16:21] <ubotu> openweek is Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for schedules, logs, and instructions.
[16:23] <boyet> gudday guys need help for my kopete is there any available help for my webcam?
[16:23] <mikkael> is qtcurve from the repos broken for gutsy ?
[16:23] <mikkael> boyet, whats your cam ?
[16:24] <boyet> at4
[16:24] <boyet> a4t
[16:24] <carbon_monoxide> !real
[16:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:24] <genii> Vermux: You could try installing package libxine-extracodecs
[16:25] <genii> Jucato: i hear Shuttleworth is going to be in #ubuntu-classroom in a little while for open Q&A
[16:25] <Jucato> he will be
[16:25] <genii> Cool
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> neat
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> hope i'm around for that one
[16:26] <Jucato> please see the rules in the OpenWeek wiki if you want to join.thanks
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: been there for a couple sessions already :)
[16:27] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: that wasn't for you
[16:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh
a4tech i hav switch to this ch maybe some easy help is available though i found it from ubuntu but cannot compile yet
[16:27] <poison--> hi guys
[16:28] <poison--> any ideas why my numeric keyboard stop working?
[16:28] <jjj__> press numlock and youll be fine...
[16:28] <mikkael> boyet: ive never heard of that cam, so it doesnt work out-of-the box with kopete ?
[16:28] <kroynos> what is a <super> in compiz termology
[16:29] <harald_> hmm could it be subversion was compiled without ssl support? :-/
 previously it works but when i reformatted my hard disk doing dual boot it never now..though it detected it has power
[16:30] <Yammeh> 79.95 euro
[16:30] <Yammeh> 114usd
[16:30] <Yammeh> oops sorry wrong channel
[16:30] <mikkael> boyet: the spca5xx driver should work for this cam
[16:31] <mikkael> boyet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasA4Tech
[16:31] <Vermux> how do I update xine?
[16:31] <boyet> <mikkael of course but the problem is im new in ubuntu and is there any .deb for this driver?
[16:31] <mikkael> boyet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Spca5xx
[16:32] <jjj__> !ch
[16:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:32] <jjj__> !jp
[16:32] <ubotu> 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
maybe ill try it first then ill be back for some more questions tnx very much
[16:35] <phiras> How can I enable 3d desktop effects on my Gusty Kubuntu ?
[16:37] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[16:37] <ice9__> am i missing something
[16:39] <ice9__> anyone
[16:39] <wezza> hi, somehow I have a DNS problem, I've use madwifi/wpasupplicant and i can ping google, but i cant browse?
[16:40] <sam64> !number
[16:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about number - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:41] <sam64> how do you make multi didget numbers come after single didgets?
[16:42] <xsacha> huh?
[16:42] <sam64> in file browsing I mean
[16:42] <sam64> by default 10 comes before 01
[16:43] <xsacha> 0 is a large number
[16:43] <sam64> actually no, 10 will come before 1, but 01. I could change that, but I have a list that goes into the hundrens
[16:44] <sam64> sorry for my bad spelling, I am American =P
[16:46] <sam64> I can make all my music have 2 didgets, but I have a very long list of chord sheets, and I dont want to have [002]
[16:46] <benoyst> hello guys
[16:46] <MGalaxy> hello, what is differnece between normal Kubuntu and ALTERNATE Kubuntu ?
[16:47] <sam64> I remember setting it to order them like that back in breezy though
[16:47] <sam64> MGalaxy: I chose alternate assuming it was a live cd
[16:47] <Jucato> MGalaxy: "normal" Kubuntu = Desktop CD is a Live CD + basic graphical installer
[16:48] <Jucato> Alternate Install CD = text based installer with more options (no live cd)
[16:48] <sam64> maybe it wasnt alternate I took then
[16:48] <sam64> I thought it was :\
[16:49] <MGalaxy> thx all
[16:52] <carbon_monoxide> !real
[16:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> is kde4 going to be in hardy
[16:54] <Jucato> no
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> why
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> kde4 will be released in december
[16:54] <xsacha> have you had a look at kde4?
[16:54] <Jucato> because hardy is an LTS release. we will be using super stable software
[16:55] <atlfalcons866> =(
[16:55] <xsacha> it's not the sort of thing they want in a long term ubuntu
[16:55] <xsacha> maybe 4.1 or 4.2 will be better
[16:55] <Jucato> kde 4.0 does not promise to meet that requirement.
[16:55] <atlfalcons866> then why is the latest gnome in every new release
[16:55] <xsacha> it'll definitely be in the repos though (as it is in kubuntu gutsy). and you can run it is a nested x server if you want to test it before taking the plunge
[16:56] <Jucato> atlfalcons866: you're comparing a jump from GNOME 2.18 to 2.20 to a jump from KDE 3.5.8 to KDE 4.0
[16:56] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: the newest kde is also in every new release. i.e. 3.5.7 3.5.8 ...
[16:56] <Jucato> kinda big jump
[16:56] <atlfalcons866> I dont want to risk breaking my kubuntu install and waiting 4 hours to upgrade from edgy to feisty to gutsy
[16:56] <ubuntu__> espanha??
[16:56] <xsacha> also, when gnome 3.0 is released. it would probably be 10x stabler in alpha than kde4 is right now in beta 3
[16:56] <Jucato> !es | ubuntu__
[16:56] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:57] <atlfalcons866> gnome is annoying and too simple
[16:57] <sam64> you cant do anything in gnome.. its like clay vs a rock
[16:58] <atlfalcons866> is 512mb ram enough to run kde4
[16:58] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: yes
[16:58] <Jucato> sure. but not right now
[16:58] <xsacha> oh, well, right now it has all the debug code to slow it down.
[16:58] <Jucato> most builds are built w/ debugging info (making it slower)
[16:58] <atlfalcons866> is that still a lot these days
[16:59] <xsacha> 512 is still a lot in linux
[16:59] <atlfalcons866> in windows vista its like having 32mb ram
[17:00] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: kde4 is meant to use less RAM than kde3 (because Qt4 is less of a memory hog?). not sure how it will turn out though
[17:00] <atlfalcons866> ok
[17:00] <xsacha> wont know until release. (if they remove debug code for release ;) they might want to leave it in)
[17:01] <atlfalcons866> i love how kubuntu is released twice a year windows only gets new releases twice a year
[17:01] <Riddell> ** Ask Mark (Shuttleworth) now for Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:02] <jarle> trying to boot after upgrade to gutsy I keep getting a lot of "device-mapper: table: 254:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed." This keeps scrolling over the screen in all my tty's!
[17:02] <xsacha> twice a year? cool
[17:02] <atlfalcons866> i meant windows gets 2 new releases twice a decade
[17:02] <xsacha> as in xp,vista,7 or xp,server,server,vista,server,server,7?
[17:02] <sam64> actually it does get small update about twice a year
[17:02] <xsacha> there's big gap between releases for xp and vista
[17:02] <jarle> I had to boot into failsafe and can't start firefox to google for a solution so please anybody help me...
[17:03] <xsacha> oh you mean SPs
[17:03] <atlfalcons866> jarle: in failsafe mode you cant run graphical programs
[17:03] <sam64> no - service packs get released about every 2 years
[17:04] <sam64> and usually do more bad than good
[17:04] <jarle> atlfalcon: I succeeded in starting xchat..
[17:05] <brauerle> Are there any known problems on upgrading from feisty to gutsy gibbon?
[17:05]  * jarle has run into several...
[17:06] <BluesKaj> brauerle, depends on your graphics card as one example
[17:06] <sinusoidale> ciao :)
[17:07] <amigrave> when I try to upgrade to feisty via "Version Upgrade" I follow instructions to a dialog box where I can click on "Start Upgrade" button. THen the dialog box closes and nothing happens after that. Is there a logfile somewhere so I can check why it fails to upgrade ?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> brauerle, my ati card doesn't do google earth as well as it did on feisty
[17:07] <poison----> !dvd
[17:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[17:08] <brauerle> BluesKaj: but KDE works furthermore?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> brauerle, KDE works fine, yes
[17:09] <brauerle> Whats the better way for dist-upgrade? apt-get or aptitude?
[17:10] <brauerle> or adept?
[17:11] <poison----> !Medibuntu
[17:11] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[17:11] <patrick_> hallo jemand da der deutsch spricht ???
[17:11] <BluesKaj> adept should work ok , depends on your repos
[17:11] <brauerle> BluesKaj: Well, I use the standard repos, so I only have to replace feisty with gutsy in sources.list?
[17:12] <patrick_> GERMAN ???
[17:12] <brauerle> patrick_: hier
[17:12] <Jucato> !de | patrick_
[17:12] <ubotu> patrick_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:13] <BluesKaj> brauerle, adept will do that by default, AFAIK if you use the dist-upgrade option
[17:13] <patrick_> hab gerade große kopfschmerzen kann mir jemand helfen ? Kann nicht auf NTFS PArtitionen zugreifen..
[17:13] <BluesKaj> !de | patrick_
[17:13] <ubotu> patrick_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:13] <vbgunz> anyone know what could prevent some contacts in an ldif file from being imported into kontact?
[17:13] <brauerle> BluesKaj: thx
[17:14] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, I got that same error , but it still imported the file ...check the address book again
[17:14] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I did, I do not see some contacts. i exported these contacts from thunderbird :/
[17:16] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, import the t-bird addressbook to your /home/usr file first then into kmail from there
[17:16] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: not sure what you mean there :(
[17:17] <vbgunz> I exported my thunderbird contacts to my desktop
[17:17] <vbgunz> I then imported the ldif file thunderbird made into kontact
[17:18] <vbgunz> kontact got a bunch of imports but I do not see some contacts... some are just not getting imported :/
[17:18] <vbgunz> if they're there, I am not seeing them :|
[17:19] <nico_> hello
[17:20] <stamen> hi
[17:20] <stamen> is it normal to be so buggy the log in manager in 7.10?
[17:21] <stamen> I have changed the theme with kdmtheme and now the log in is by default (with the KDE logo)
[17:21] <stamen> without background
[17:21] <mefisto__> vbgunz: look at the ldif file and see if there's anything about the missing contacts that is different. eg are there some blank fields in the missing contacts
[17:21] <stamen> how to fix it
[17:22] <edenbeast> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:22] <edenbeast> oops sorry :-/
[17:22] <vbgunz> mefisto__: yeah, I checked out the ldif, don't see nothing unusual, will check again
[17:24] <vbgunz> yeah, I cannot figure it out :(
[17:24] <mefisto__> is it a specific thunderbird import, or generic ldif import?
[17:25] <poison----> i guet image corruption while playing dvds or mpeg
[17:25] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I exported directly from thunderbird
[17:26] <Zigonick> I got Kubuntu and the Ubuntu install cd, is there a way to get all the apps off the ubuntu cd installed? Seems like it comes with more (IE Firefox, as am on dailup so downloading all them apps would be really slow)
[17:26] <mefisto__> vbgunz: yes but is the import specially for thunderbird addressbook, or any ldif?
[17:26] <RCG1984> hello all, I need some sort of http plugin inorder to run shoutcast streams on any media client.  Does anyone know what plugin the programs are refering too?
[17:27] <taylan> Hi all I have kubuntu gutsy and I am looking for a partion imaging tool do you know a program with a gui
[17:27] <vbgunz> mefisto__: not sure. the thunderbird file that was exported is in ldif format. thunderbird doesn't offer any more options that that :(
[17:27] <vbgunz> and kontact cannot import directly from thunderbird format
[17:28] <mefisto__> vbgunz: so contact has a "import ldif" or "import thunderbird ldif" ?
[17:28] <RCG1984> taylan: take a look at QTparted
[17:28] <taylan> thx
[17:28] <RCG1984> n/p
[17:29] <vbgunz> mefisto__: kontact has nothing to do with thunderbird. ldif and several other formats but nothing thunderbird... ant thunderbird offers no option to export in any format except for ldif
[17:30] <vbgunz> looking at the raw ldif file, i can see nothing wrong with the contacts that were not imported
[17:30] <mefisto__> vbgunz: I think thunderbird also exports .csv and .txt formats
[17:31] <brauerle> when apt donloads packages and unzips them - to which folder will these packages been unzipped? Is it /tmp?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> vbgunz,  ldif works on kmail
[17:31] <vbgunz> this is the latest contact as per gutsy
[17:31] <vbgunz> kontact*
[17:32] <vbgunz> thunderbird addressbook offers no options to export in any other format :(
[17:32] <mefisto__> vbgunz: mine does .csv and .txt as well as .ldif
[17:32] <ksivaji> brauerle /var/cache/apt/archives/
[17:33] <Jucato> brauerle: I don't think it unzips them to tmp
[17:33] <vbgunz> mefisto__: you're right, I missed that
[17:33] <ksivaji> Jucato hi
[17:33] <Jucato> hi
[17:33] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I'll try csv
[17:33] <Jucato> they are installed directly to the directories
[17:36] <vbgunz> damn... csv sucks
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I don't get it vbgunz ? ...I was able to import the t-bird addressbook file as a ldif option
[17:38] <vbgunz> me too... some contacts just did not get imported
[17:38] <vbgunz> although I see them in the ldif file
[17:39] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, have you tried exporting the file to your/home file then importing from there to kontact/kmail
[17:39] <vbgunz> I exported to ~/Desktop
[17:40] <vbgunz> am currently mapping the csv file
[17:47] <vbgunz> I think I got it. the contacts that did not import, were contacts that only had an email address. nothing else.
[17:48] <atlfalcons866> is there a faster filesystem than ext3?
[17:49] <fkm> Is here someone who _likes_ Dolphin?
[17:50] <fkm> And I'm talking about the Dolphin from Kubuntu Gutsy. Not the one from KDE4!
[17:50] <atlfalcons866> fkm: dolphin is buggy
[17:51] <fkm> That may be. But after googlin' I couldn't find someone posting who actually likes and uses Dolphin. Just people who say that there are people who like it...
[17:51] <atlfalcons866> konqueror is way better atm
[17:51] <mefisto__> I like dolphin
[17:51] <fkm> So I'm eager to find someone who actually likes Dolphin
[17:51] <Firetech> hmm. When I hold my mouse over the clock in kicker (with "mouse over effects" enabled), kicker suddenly starts to use 100% CPU and doesn't update the "tool tip", which it did before. (also, kicker updates begin to lag a bit.) Only me? What can be the cause?
[17:51] <fkm> That's a start :D mefisto__, Do you use Dolphin from Gutsy or KDE4?
[17:52] <CapaH> Question, I am now running -- apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (from ubuntu) --- my question is, does Kubuntu have Compiz enabled by default or is there additional setup I have to do?
[17:52] <mefisto__> fkm: I'm still using feisty. I'm using d3lphin atm, slightly improved dolphin
[17:52] <fkm> Firetech, I don't have this problem here on Kubuntu Feisty. Give me a minute and I'll tell you how it's behaving on the Laptop with Kubuntu Gutsy
[17:53] <fkm> mefisto__, Ok. I'll give d3lphin a try :) Thank you :)
[17:54] <mefisto__> fkm: it's not that different. It has 2 sidebars, and is a little less buggy
[17:54] <Firetech> fkm: I've got two computers with gutsy, haven't tried/noticed it on the other one. However, in feisty and before, all it did on this computer was to increase the CPU usage a little bit (it's a bad computer)...
[17:55] <fkm> mefisto__, Well. I'll go great lengths to prove myself that my oppinion about Dolphin is wrong as I - at first - wasn't a fan of Konqueror and now I'm loving it :D
[17:55] <Firetech> mefisto__: as far as I know, the dolphin in gutsy is actually a renamed d3lphin :S
[17:55] <fkm> Firetech, On Gutsy aswell as Feisty the tooltip is updated (activated the seconds for that) and the CPU rests at about 2%
[17:55] <mefisto__> Firetech: I think you're right, just a newer dolphin for feisty
[17:56] <fabio_elio_tonti> is this the place to ask stupid questions?
[17:56] <fkm> fabio_elio_tonti, There are (almost) no stupid questions
[17:56] <mefisto__> stupid kubuntu questions
[17:56] <fkm> :)
[17:57] <Firetech> fkm: as I thought... what can be the cause? I don't run Compiz, and all the other tool tips animate fine.
[17:57] <vbgunz> this is quite frustrating. konqueror cannot find http://vim.org but it can find http://www.vim.org
[17:57] <vbgunz> why?
[17:57] <coreymon77> vbgunz: why not use firefox?
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> thanks
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> I know
[17:57] <Firetech> vbgunz: that's why I use Firefox/Vimperator ;)
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> but you know what I mean
[17:57] <fkm> Firetech, I got no idea, sorry. But if I stumble upon a solution. I'll let you know
[17:58] <Firetech> fkm: thanks :)
[17:58] <fabio_elio_tonti> so I've heard that ubuntu's got a gui to configure xorg.conf (especially for dual screens)
[17:58] <vbgunz> coreymon77: I don't know. I do use it for things like the web developer toolbar and firebug but other than that, I use konqueror
[17:58] <vbgunz> Firetech: vimperator?
[17:58] <fabio_elio_tonti> does that work with kubuntu too?
[17:58] <Firetech> vbgunz: http://vimperator.mozdev.org
[17:59] <fabio_elio_tonti> anyone?
[17:59] <Firetech> fabio_elio_tonti: kubuntu has it's own xorg config
[17:59] <fkm> Well. There are the "Display Settings" that modify the xorg.conf.
[17:59] <fkm> But I don't trust these applications
[18:00] <Firetech> "Monitor and display" in System Settings
[18:00] <fkm> I rather modify the file myself. Gives me much cleaner results too ;)
[18:00] <vbgunz> Firetech: heh, thats going a lil far :)
[18:00] <Firetech> vbgunz: nah, I'm still using Firefox normally, but vimperator adds a useful "surf without mouse" mode ;)
[18:01] <Firetech> not tabbing through the whole page, that is
[18:01] <vbgunz> I just don't get why konqueror has trouble without the www. in some instances
[18:01] <The_Machine> really quick - before when konqueror was the default file manager, i could right click and select Move To, and be able to browse the file system and drop it.
[18:01] <The_Machine> How can i do that w/ Dolphin?
[18:01] <vbgunz> that was a problem solved in 95 no?
[18:01] <The_Machine> )
[18:01] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[18:01] <Firetech> vbgunz: because it doesn't have the code firefox has ;)
[18:02] <fkm> lol, Firetech, the VIMperator sound like a funny idea :D *downloading* :o
[18:02] <Firetech> vbgunz: the times it works, is when the server is responding without "www." too.
[18:02] <ice9__> I do have software-propertes-kde installed
[18:02] <ice9__> too
[18:02] <Firetech> vbgunz: firefox is just a little smarter
[18:07] <Macris> anyone noticed that forcemonitors fglrx command in xorg.conf gives a black screen when kdm should be
[18:08] <Macris> i have been messing around and trying to figure why does not fglrx work for me in gutsy as it did in feisty, and i finally got it to work after removing forcemonitors line from xorg.conf
[18:08] <sven_> Is the adept-manager still alpha version?? I have used it in kubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 and it crashes about.. 40% of the  times I use it :( from the other 60% left, I have about 40% problems.. like me selecting software, trying to install it, it downloads 30 mins and _then_ it tells me there is a version conflict or so.. :(
[18:08] <fabio_elio_tonti> Firetech what do you mean by "it has it's own"?
[18:08] <Jucato> sven_: you could say that it's a funky version :)
[18:09] <Jucato> a *very* funky version :)
[18:09] <Firetech> fabio_elio_tonti: 19:00:04 <Firetech> "Monitor and display" in System Settings
[18:10] <fabio_elio_tonti> thanks
[18:11] <sven_> Jucato, Is there a "stable" version of software that can give similar functionality? Or is there any view on a stable version of adept? I mean, nofi! Its a great piece of software! when it works...
[18:11] <Jucato> sven_: I wish I could tell you there was one :)
[18:11] <Jucato> unless you're willing to install Synaptic, a non-KDE app... but you'll lose the update notification in the system tray
[18:12] <sven_> Jucato, If they really want more ppl to use KDE.. I mean, adept will be about the piece of software they want to use to install more things.. if that keeps crashing in their face, they won't really be happy with it..
[18:12] <Jucato> sven_: 1) Adept is not made by the KDE project. 2) KPackage is the first and last "official" package manager KDE really had
[18:12] <vbgunz> for some reason, gutsy does not ntoify me of new updates anymore
[18:12] <coreymon77> one thing i do agree about is that adept has its problems
[18:12] <vbgunz> I just happen to check with sudo apt-get update and find updates
[18:12] <coreymon77> thats why i just command line apt it
[18:13] <sven_> Jucato, but KPackage, thats the "Add / remove programs"  thing, right?
[18:13] <Jucato> no
[18:13] <Jucato> that's still Adept (Adept Installer)
[18:13] <sven_> Jucato, will kpackage give the same functionality then? :S
[18:14] <coreymon77> sven_: NO
[18:14] <sven_> same as adept that is?
[18:14] <coreymon77> SORRY
[18:14] <coreymon77> didnt know caps was on
[18:14] <Jucato> sven_: no
[18:14] <sven_> coreymon77, it was a clear no al the same :)
[18:14] <coreymon77> accidentally pressed caps instead of shift
[18:14] <Jucato> adept is currently the only actively maintained KDE package manager for Debian systems
[18:14] <coreymon77> and kpkg was never redone to work without root
[18:15] <coreymon77> thats why kde never worked on ubuntu until kubuntu came
[18:15] <sven_> Jucato, Then I hope they will fix these many bugs in it.. its rare that I use adept without seeing any sort of problem
[18:15] <Jucato> sven_: you and me both.. but ...
[18:15] <Jucato> oh well
[18:15] <coreymon77> sven_: its rare that i use adept ;) :P
[18:15] <sven_> coreymon77, again, NOFI, I think adept is great.. it just needs  some ironing..
[18:16] <coreymon77> nofi?
[18:16] <sven_> coreymon77, Jucato Where could I report adept bugs?
[18:16] <sven_> I have quite a nice list for them, it may help
[18:16] <Jucato> bugs.launchpad.net
[18:16] <Jucato> sven_: please check if they have not been reported yet
[18:16] <Jucato> I'm pretty sure they have :P
[18:18] <sven_> Jucato, I have so many to report that I might bring in something new :)
[18:18] <Jucato> just double check please?
[18:18] <aguitel_> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L  because is not working in gutsy  ?
[18:18] <Jucato> make it easier for me
[18:18] <Jucato> :P
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, in any case, its weird.. its like, adept is what the people will use to install software, and its really buggy.. kde or not, its what people will use to judge kde anyway..
[18:19] <Jucato> sven_: although it's not really *that* buggy... you make it sound that it's 100% unusable :)
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, makes it easier for you if I double check? you mean you are a developer?
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, no no.. its IS usable :)
[18:19] <Jucato> make it easier for me to triage the bugs, filter those that can be done, forward them to the devs, or maybe work on some of them
[18:20] <sven_> Jucato, its just anoying at times, specially if you select like 20 packages.. (yeah yeah, sometimes I feel like Im a kid in a toy store)
[18:20] <coreymon77> sven_: and yes, jucato is a developer
[18:20] <Jucato> half half :)
[18:20] <coreymon77> Jucato: not meaning to speak for you
[18:20] <Jucato> it's ok :)
[18:21] <sven_> Jucato, actually.. maybe a suggestion that might be nice: Remeber the selected packages in case of a "cant install beacause of dep problems" or a crash.. that would save a lot of time having to select these pacakges again :)
[18:22] <Jucato> I've been wanting to have a sort of feature like that in Adept... Synaptic has one iirc
[18:23] <coreymon77> well, thats the bell
[18:23] <vbgunz> is klash anygood?
[18:23] <coreymon77> i have to go
[18:23] <coreymon77> cya later everyone
[18:26] <sven_> Jucato, it would actually be a great fix; if something goes wrong, you won't have to start all over again
[18:26] <Jucato> sven_: please check if there's a bug/wish filed like that. if not. please do :)
[18:26] <fkm> Firetech, I got a little question. How do I deactivate VIMperator?
[18:27] <sven_> Jucato, and another nice feat., would be that you can still browse the package list (possibly selecting other packages you want to install / remove in a next "apply changes") while the apply changes is running..
[18:27] <sven_> Jucato, I'll go and check
[18:27] <Jucato> sven_: you can
[18:27] <sadoff> HI! can someone helpme ? Where can i find russian chat about kubunta?
[18:27] <Jucato> in Adept Manager
[18:27] <Jucato> !ru | sadoff
[18:27] <ubotu> sadoff: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[18:27] <fkm> Firetech, Ah. Just found it :D
[18:27] <Firetech> fkm: :addons ;) You can also activate the menu, toolbar and bookmarksbar by typing :set guioptions+=mTb
[18:28] <fkm> Ah :) I think I'll do the latter :D
[18:28] <Firetech> that's how I use it
[18:28] <Firetech> :help is your frient, though ;)
[18:28] <Firetech> *friend
[18:28] <fkm> kk :)
[18:29] <fkm> Btw. yes, now it's nice _and_ easy to use :)
[18:33] <trappist> is anybody else getting bad gpg signatures from the security and updates repos for gutsy?
[18:38] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L  because is not working in gutsy  ?
[18:39] <serenity> hi
[18:40] <MurielGodoi> Hi, when I resume my laptop, my wireless card don't turn on back. Any idea about how solve it?
[18:40] <serenity> there is a service called laptop_mode. It is in /etc/rc2.d but it do not start. When i restart it by hand, it works.
[18:45] <serenity> there is a service called laptop_mode. It is in /etc/rc2.d but it do not start. When i restart it by hand, it works.
[18:45] <imagine[laptop]> Just install Fiesty fawn and tryin to d oupgrade results in error from Adept.. can't fetch updates.. any idea why?
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> ??
[18:48] <mefisto__> imagine[laptop]: are you upgrading to gutsy? or just upgrading installed packages?
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> I said feisty, not gutsy..
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> trying to upgrade Feisty
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> it doens't even want to retrieve packages...
[18:49] <mefisto__> have you tried changing the download server in adept's manage packages dialog?
[18:49] <imagine[laptop]> yes
[18:49] <imagine[laptop]> From Canada to Main Server
[18:50] <imagine[laptop]> nvm it works now..
[18:50] <imagine[laptop]> duno what was happenin
[18:58] <[ifr0g]> la--lalalala..alolalalala..
[18:58] <[ifr0g]> purrrrrr..
[19:00] <graelb> Hi, Is there any reason you can think of that would make my TTY's not be visible?
[19:02] <alfredo> alguem me pode dizer, como é que se configura um wide screen...
[19:03] <Jucato> !pt | alfredo
[19:03] <ubotu> alfredo: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[19:04] <alfredo> obrigado
[19:04] <[ifr0g]> graelb, you mean the ones on ctrl alt f1 etc ?
[19:04] <graelb> yeap
[19:05] <[ifr0g]> graelb, huh, just a sec
[19:05] <trappist> anyone know why the gpg signatures are bad for the security and updates repos in gutsy?
[19:06] <graelb> i found this :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 and... i'm wading through it
[19:06] <graelb> on gutsy btw
[19:06] <trappist> I fetched them from a keyserver and apt-key added them and they're still bad :/
[19:11] <[ifr0g]> graelb, do you have the tty files in /etc/event.d
[19:11] <[ifr0g]> i think that is resposible for those screens.
[19:11] <graelb> hang on
[19:11] <graelb> hehe
[19:12] <graelb> yep. they're there
[19:13] <[ifr0g]> what do you get when you hit those keys ?
[19:13] <amck1> hey guys, anyone had any success making pptp connections from a kubuntu client?
[19:14] <jjj543k3> does any one know if there is a way to make those annoying green backup files created by all the text editors dissapear
[19:14] <jjj543k3> ?
[19:14] <jjj543k3> or make them hidden?
[19:15] <trappist> jjj543k3: depends on the text editor
[19:15] <graelb> I get a black screen =P
[19:15] <Dexhu> hello fro Florida
[19:16] <ubuntu_> kooo
[19:16] <amck1> hey, any kubuntu vpn experts here?
[19:16] <lovre_> i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this ""
[19:17] <[ifr0g]> graelb, i could not see why, do you have getty installed
[19:17] <sui> hi
[19:17] <lovre_> i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this: "BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB" and then some more strange signs. What is this?
[19:17] <Dexhu> how can I download Kubuntu  using a live CD..where would I store the ico file..can it be done to a DVD while in live CD mode??
[19:17] <graelb> I don't know what getty is, but i'm thinking it's a framebuffer issue... at least, that's what i've seen
[19:17] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, yes it can be done.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> jjj543k3, in kate if that's the text editor ,settings/ configure kate/open/save, uncheck local files on backup&save
[19:17] <amck1> ok, anywhere else i may get some vpn help?
[19:18] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, simply use the mounted dir in /media/ to dpwnload it to..
[19:18] <Dexhu> how? >ifrog?
[19:18] <Dexhu> can I remove the live cd to put in a blank on?
[19:19] <Dexhu> one?
[19:19] <[ifr0g]> amck1, maybe at #kvpnc
[19:19] <jjj543k3> kword dose the same thing too, can i do the same to change kword?
[19:19] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, nope
[19:19] <sui> have a question about adept: I dist-upgraded from kubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 with aptitude. but adept still tells me theres a new version of kubuntu available and tries to fetch all packages I already installed
[19:19] <lovre_> what is a posibillity of getting adware or something similiar on kubuntu?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, can't you install the distro on your live cd?
[19:19] <sui> how can I get rid of the message from adept?
[19:19] <amck1> {ifrOg}... cool, cheers
[19:20] <Dexhu> doesn't live CD have a HD area that I can download to? and what is the path?
[19:20] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, one mini live cd it is possible with a kernel option to load os to ram but i dought the 700 live cd has it.
[19:21] <Dexhu> sorry I'm lost here how to accomplish this:(
[19:21] <[ifr0g]> sui, thats normal as far as i know, it will only download the upgrades which are small.
[19:21] <LastMall> lovre_  it should be close to nil
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, do you see the install icon ?
[19:22] <LastMall> lovre_  but nothing is foolproof
[19:22] <Dexhu> on where..the browser or web site?
[19:22] <sui> [ifr0g]: do you mean I should let him do the upgrade again?
[19:22] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, desktop.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, on the desktop
[19:23] <lovre_> LastMall: i dont know how to explain the problem im having
[19:23] <[ifr0g]> sui, yes.. i got that too on a fresh install from the dvd..
[19:23] <Dekans> [ifr0g]: Dexhu !
[19:23] <lovre_> LastMall: i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this: "BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB" and then some more strange signs. What is this?
[19:23] <Dexhu> I see a install icon and a example one
[19:23] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, opps, sorry
[19:23] <Dexhu> are those on the HD?
[19:24] <lovre_> and its not only firefox, its every HTTP application
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, to install the current cd to hd hit the install icon and follow the steps.
[19:24] <Dekans> [ifr0g]: Dexhu !
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, firefox -safe-mode
[19:24] <sui> [ifr0g]: thats no nice solution ;) I thought it should be possible to set a string in adept.conf or klick something in this gui... but I will do it this way
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> and disable all the options
[19:25] <Dexhu> yes
[19:25] <[ifr0g]> sui, it did come up for me twice and later on i did not see it.
[19:27] <Dexhu> i'm getting confused..is there anyone who can go 1 on 1 chat with me and walk me through?
[19:27] <LastMall> lovre_  you add a bunch of plugins to firefox ?
[19:27] <Tm_T> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: I presume you will change your nick
[19:27] <Dexhu> I would appreciate it..I know I'm asking a lot
[19:27] <lovre_> LastMall: no, i didnt. Fresh install. But i now see its not only firefox, its konqueror also. And i suppose everything that uses HTTP protocol...!"!!!!???? This is so weird. Could it be routers fault?
[19:27] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, Please state exactly what you want to accomplish.
[19:28] <Tm_T> charlie_zzz: wake up
[19:28] <Tm_T> !away > charlie_zzz
[19:28] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, COuld we have a screen shot..
[19:28] <LastMall> lovre_  it could be a proxy server's fault I suppose.
[19:28] <xevious> for a fresh install, why would i choose the dvd image over the cd image?
[19:29] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: screenshot comming
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, the live cd contains all the files necessary to install kubuntu on your machine , do you understand that ?
[19:29] <[ifr0g]> :)
[19:29] <charlie_zzz> Tm_T: ok, sorry ... didn't realise it was a problem
[19:29] <Dexhu> OK..I'm trying to restore kbuntu that crash while I was upgrading it and now I want want to boot to it without loosing my data
[19:29] <blendtux> maybe because you can download the dvd from a fast connection and you install it on a machine with a slow connection xevious
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ok, now we find out the problem
[19:29] <Dexhu> yes I do blues but I don't have the update version on a CD
[19:29] <blendtux> internet connection that is xevious
[19:29] <xevious> blendtux: yeah. ok. i'll just grab the cd
[19:30] <LastMall> xevious  lots of disk space and wanted to see nearly every installable app
[19:30] <Dexhu> I get a ERROR 15 file not found when I try to boot up o the upgrade
[19:31] <xevious> so if you have a fast internet connection the only real benefit of the dvd is a more featureful live bootup environment?
[19:31] <LastMall> xevious  best I understand, yeah.
[19:31] <xevious> ok
[19:32] <LastMall> For myself, I do commandline installs from alternate and add kde-core and other stuff I know I need/want
[19:32] <Dexhu> is there a applicationI can use to recover my HD using live CD
[19:33] <zmitya> hi all
[19:34] <xevious> Dexhu: one solution would be to remove everything on the hard drive except /home (and any other directories you have), maybe make a copy of /etc to your home directory so you can restore any customized configuration files, then reinstall and have it use the exisiting partitions
[19:34] <Dexhu> hi zmitya
[19:34] <Eeyore-Jr> what is the deal with the  package manager in gutsy?  it has requested a version upgrade three times now
[19:34] <serenity_> is there a way to force knetworkmanager so connect to a network on startup?
[19:34] <zmitya> after an upgrade from feisty to gusty, my X became extremly slow, and it writes to the syslog:
[19:34] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: known issue, fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release)
[19:34] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, i dought it. Best option right now is to reinstall / on another partition, thus saving your files OR Fix the error you are getting at boot.
[19:34] <xevious> Dexhu: by (and any other directories you have) i meant any other directories you've created outside of /home
[19:34] <lovre_> this is veird. But im almost sure it has something to do with ruter/proxy, cuz a friend of mine has it also, and he is in the same LAN sharing internet connection. Here is screenshot: http://i20.tinypic.com/1zwdjt4.png
[19:34] <zmitya> device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table device-mapper: table: 254:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[19:35] <Eeyore-Jr> it keeps re-installing kde apps i keep removing
[19:35] <Eeyore-Jr> it's irritating
[19:35] <zmitya> does anybody have idea, what's wrong ?
[19:35] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: look:
[19:35] <lovre_> http://i20.tinypic.com/1zwdjt4.png
[19:35] <Dexhu> xevious> how do I remove everything to a DVD
[19:36] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: known issue, fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release). open adept manager, manage the repositories, on the updates tab, select proposed (pre-release), then update and upgrade; otherwise know that 8.04 is not out yet and therefore do not attempt to follow the upgrade
[19:36] <flake> why can't i see my internal harddrives now, since I installed g++, build-essentials, they have disappeared;  fdisk -l  reveals they are there but guess I have to mount them and put them in the fstab now?
[19:36] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, nice wallpaper :) anyways, do you get it at image display too ?
[19:36] <flake> before they came right up..  7.10 new install
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> WaltzingAlong: do you know if they are going to provide an update to gutsy?
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> or one has to wait until 8.04 ?
[19:37] <[ifr0g]> Eeyore-Jr, Ooo. what is the code name for 8.04 ?
[19:37] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: i answered this twice. there is an update Already. it is in the "gutsy-proposed" repository. you can get in now by enabled proposed/pre-release updates in adept manager
[19:37] <Eeyore-Jr> i've heard different things, like icky itch is one
[19:37] <Dexhu> how does one backup to a DVD using a live CD
[19:38] <xevious> Dexhu: i meant boot to the livecd/dvd and mount your existing / to /mnt maybe, then remove /mnt/usr /mnt/var /mnt/opt /mnt/bin /mnt/sbin /mnt/boot /mnt/dev /mnt/initrd /mnt/lib /mnt/lib32 /mnt/lost+found /mnt/media /mnt/mnt /mnt/proc /mnt/root /mnt/srv /mnt/sys /mnt/tmp and any other files except /mnt/home
[19:38] <WaltzingAlong> !hardy
[19:38] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[19:38] <xevious> Dexhu: then reinstall to that partition without formatting
[19:38] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: what you mean image display? it appears somethimes and on random pages. (I can send you the wallpaper if you want)
[19:38] <[ifr0g]> hahaa..
[19:38] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: :D
[19:38] <Dexhu> but I can not get to my HD
[19:39] <xevious> Dexhu: i would, however, recommend copying any files that you've customized in /etc to your home directory
[19:39] <Dexhu> HOW?
[19:39] <xevious> Dexhu: you can't mount it?
[19:40] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, I though the new code name was funny.. well, what does it say in sourcecode ?
[19:40] <Dexhu> I'm a novice..don't know how to use LiveCd to get to my HD
[19:40] <xevious> oh
[19:40] <xevious> Dexhu: K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced -> Disks & Filesystems
[19:40] <[ifr0g]> :D
[19:40] <serenity_> is there a way to force knetworkmanager so connect to a network on startup?
[19:41] <xevious> Dexhu: then administrator mode, figure out which partition is your / partition and mount it to /mnt
[19:41] <Dexhu> OK xev..trying
[19:41] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: in the sorce code there is that same line as is. On the BOF.
[19:41] <[ifr0g]> serenity_, yes, by using.. manual configuration.
[19:41] <xevious> bbiab
[19:41] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, before <html> i presume.
[19:42] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: yes
[19:42] <serenity_> [ifr0g]: looked there...but cant find it
[19:42] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: on BOF. so u suppose the problem is not on my comp
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> serenity_, right click on the icon in the panel and manual.configuration.. every thing you add edit there will stay at every boot
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, well if only you could test it with out your router
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> we could be sure
[19:43] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: i cant, there are like 2000 people connected :D
[19:45] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, oh, what about loading a page off a local webserver ?
[19:45] <[ifr0g]> which does not go through your router.
[19:45] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: thats a good idea. I have to install apache anyways :D
[19:45] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: but never done it on linux, i hope it wont be a big mess
[19:46] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, huh, not really..
[19:46] <acey> Can anyone tell me why Dolphin keeps giving me a "Unable to save bookmarks" error whenever i exit it
[19:47] <acey> Anyone?
[19:47] <lovre_> acey: its a reported bug, hopely will be fixed soon.
[19:47] <acey> Oo ok thanks
[19:47] <lovre_> acey: you can temporarily fix it if you want to know
[19:47] <Eeyore-Jr> acey: it does not save your kind of bookmarks
[19:48] <acey> oo ok I would like to know please
[19:48] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, try wget couple of pages and see if you get it there too
[19:48] <acey> It says "Permission denied" in the error if that helps
[19:48] <lovre_> acey: you have to change the owner of that file to user:user instead of root:root
[19:48] <acey> wait what file?
[19:49] <acey> It does that when I click the x button
[19:49] <acey> to exit the thing
[19:49] <lovre_> acey:  i know
[19:49] <acey> oo ok, so how do I fix it?
[19:49] <lovre_> acey: go to ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[19:50] <acey> k
[19:50] <acey> im there
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: open console
[19:51] <acey> through the K menu?
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: yep
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: whateva
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: type: sudo chmod acey:acey ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: where you replace acey:acey with your username
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: erm, not 'chmod' but 'chown'
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: sorry
[19:52] <acey> oo ok so type
[19:52] <acey> sudo chown andrew:andrew ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: yes
[19:53] <lovre_> acey: now it shouldnt give you errors. But only if you dont use "Open as root" button
[19:53] <lovre_> acey: because root acces resets it
[19:53] <jim> Hi all - Any ideas after a fresh install that my CD/DVD Rom is not recognised
[19:53] <blekos> weird problem with usb HD. When I plug in my USB HD, i have to choose "open in new window" otherwise it will not be visible/accessible by other programs.
[19:53] <acey> ok i did it and nothing happened?
[19:53] <acey> oo wait ok let em try
[19:53] <acey> me*
[19:54] <acey> yay it works
[19:54] <acey> thanks
[19:54] <lovre_> acey: actually, the problem doesnt seem to be in dolphin, but in kdesu. If you want a more permanent solution you can try deinstalling kdesu. But i would not advice you to do so.
[19:54] <acey> what is kdesu? :p
[19:54] <[ifr0g]> blekos, Thats normal.. Only when you open in new window it gets mounted.
[19:54] <lovre_> acey: its KDE super user
[19:54] <acey> oo ok
[19:54] <acey> yea im already this is fine for me
[19:54] <blekos> i'm quite sure it didnt happen in Feisty
[19:55] <acey> thanks for the help
[19:55] <crackhead_25--> anybody know how to get a firewire ext hard drive to be recognized and mounted? it was formerly, but since i mounted a new hard drive and upgraded to feisty from edgy, it seems not to be showing any of my files??
[19:55] <[ifr0g]> blekos, it did for me there too..
[19:55] <acey> will there be an update for kubuntu to fix it?
[19:55] <lovre_> acey: no problem. you will most likely see it again. But its been reported and should be fixed
[19:55] <blekos> i c
[19:55] <acey> k thanks
[19:56] <crackhead_25--> lovre_: are you expert on this issue?
[19:56] <jewbilee> In gnome, Amarok's menu size just increase greatly, how do I lower it back down?
[19:57] <CapaH> I am running Gutsy Gibbon and I just installed Kubuntu (by doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu) and I notice that compiz is nowhere to be found. --- Can anyone enlighten me?
[19:58] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | CapaH
[19:58] <ubotu> CapaH: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:58] <CapaH> thanks ubotu
[19:59] <crackhead_25--> ubotu: do you know anything about hard drive mounting and getting my feisty to see an external firewire hd?
[19:59] <rakan> Hello
[19:59] <rakan> where does kubuntu save the download files using apt-get?
[19:59] <lovre_> crackhead_25--: sorry, i was afk, what do you mean
[19:59] <Thylio> Is the only way to mount ISO images in kubuntu using Nautilus Scripts?
[19:59] <xevious> how does 7.10 partition the drive on a fresh install if you let it handle partitioning?
[20:00] <rakan> where does kubuntu save the download files using apt-get?
[20:00] <informarte> rakan: /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:00] <crackhead_25--> i have a firewire ext hd plugged in. it was recognized and mounted yesteday. i upgraded to feisty from edgy. i made a new partition from unallocated space on another hd and mkdir for that and mounted it. now i see the other. i still see the firewire. however when i go to explore the firewire, it shows no files..
[20:01] <trappist> Thylio: no, you can say sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/point
[20:01] <rakan> informarte: thanks alot :D
[20:01] <crackhead_25--> lovre_: did you see my description?
[20:02] <jim> Can anyone help as this is driving me mad - when (on a new install) I can't seem to access my CDROM drive, it will not eject, and if it does it sees all my disks as blank? All help fully appreciated!
[20:02] <Thylio> trappist:
[20:02] <Thylio> do i go in the folder that the iso lies
[20:03] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, pass me your wallpaper ..:)
[20:03] <claudia_> exit
[20:04] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: wait, imma upload it somewhere
[20:05] <trappist> Thylio: that, or give the full path to the iso on the command line
[20:05] <[ifr0g]> ok
[20:05] <Thylio> Okay;)
[20:07] <sui> bye
[20:08] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make konqueror to display previews for movie files? It works fine on Debian 4.0
[20:09] <lovre> [ifr0g]: pm
[20:10] <lovre> [ifr0g]: http://www.test.filecrunch.com/file/~h2ehza
[20:13] <Minataku> Hm
[20:13] <Minataku> Dr_Willis been around lately?
[20:13] <curi1> Hello everyone!
[20:13] <curi1> Anyone know how I can make an .img from a folder I have on my desktop?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !iso
[20:14] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[20:15] <jim> Anyone know why my cdrom will not eject or is only read only after a fresh install?
[20:15] <crackhead_25--> lovre: are you there?
[20:16] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make gutsy konqueror to display previews/thumbnails for locally stored movie files? For all other file types, thumbnails are generated properly.  Debian 4.0 konqueror does not have this problem! Maybe my installation missing some crucial package?
[20:16] <curi1> Well I have a problem with mounting my floppy and I have these boot files that I'm trying to get to it
[20:16] <lovre> crackhead_25--: yes, but im afraid i cant help you with that, sory. Im sure someone else would know better
[20:16] <curi1> The floppy can take .img dd just find
[20:16] <curi1> fine*
[20:16] <curi1> So I figure my next try will be to make the folder a .img
[20:17] <curi1> and dd the folder to the floppy
[20:17] <crackhead_25--> does anyone have any knowledge on why my firewire external hard drive which was working and appeared mounted fine yesterday might today not be mounting? yesterday i upgraded to feisty and partitioned a new hd (separate hd, unallocated space)..
[20:17] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[20:18] <curi1> Hello contrast83!
[20:18] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, pls pastebin what tail -f /var/log/syslog shoes when plugging it in..
[20:19] <curi1> How can I make an image of a folder on my desktop to dd to a floppy since my floppy drive isn't going to mount.
[20:20] <crackhead_25--> k.. one sec..
[20:21] <[ifr0g]> curi1, whats the size of the image ?
[20:22] <curi1> ifr0g: It's alright I figured it out. I'm trying to create the image :)
[20:22] <[ifr0g]> :) ok..
[20:22] <curi1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140762
[20:22] <curi1> :)
[20:22] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: http://pastebin.ca/748349
[20:25] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, i think it create the device for you but is not mounting it automatically
[20:25] <matahari> hi
[20:25] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: what do i do?
[20:25] <matahari> kprinter isn#t working correctly in gutsy anymore - i can't print to pdf anymore...
[20:25] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, you could mount it manually.
[20:26] <crackhead_25--> how do i see if that works?
[20:26] <crackhead_25--> do you think it's been affected by my creating a new entry fstab yesterday for a new partition i made on another disk?
[20:27] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, try .. sudo mkdir /media/mydrive;sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/mydrive
[20:27] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, yes, might..
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> what's mount -t auto do? is it sda1? are you sure?
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> in fstab sda1 seems to be the boot drive..
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> it's definitely not the boot drive..
[20:29] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, thats what i got from your paste
[20:29] <crackhead_25--> ill put my fstab in paste too..
[20:29] <[ifr0g]> ok
[20:30] <crackhead_25--> http://pastebin.ca/748360
[20:32] <ubuntu_> hello
[20:32] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make gutsy konqueror to display previews/thumbnails for locally stored movie files? For all other file types, thumbnails are generated properly.  Debian 4.0 konqueror does not have this problem! Maybe my installation missing some crucial package?
[20:32] <chandeller> hey
[20:32] <[ifr0g]> did you do the tail command before pluging it it right ?
[20:32] <chandeller> the version 7.1.0 language pt-br exist?
[20:33] <ubuntu_> how can i join a new server ?
[20:33] <chandeller> the language pack pt-br exist for version kubunto 7.1.0 ?
[20:33] <poison--> yes chandeller
[20:33] <poison--> im using it
[20:34] <chandeller> poison--:  talk portuguese?
[20:34] <poison--> sim
[20:34] <poison--> :D
[20:34] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: thoughts? did you get my paste? http://pastebin.ca/748360
[20:34] <chandeller> poison é so dar apt-get? como vc fez?
[20:35] <[ifr0g]> yes
[20:35] <poison--> <chandeller, are you using kubuntu 7.10 or 7.04?
[20:35] <chandeller> 7.10
[20:35] <chandeller> :)
[20:36] <chandeller> poison estou usando a 7.10
[20:36] <poison--> when installing, you can choose the language to use :D
[20:36] <trappist> where should I start, troubleshooting no sound in gutsy?
[20:36] <poison--> !sound
[20:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:36] <chandeller> poison tanks you brow,
[20:36] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, did you do the tail command before pluging it in ?
[20:36] <poison--> <chandeller
[20:36] <poison--> !br
[20:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:36] <poison--> :D
[20:36] <poison--> tou lá
[20:36] <crackhead_25--> no, i will go do that again..
[20:36] <crackhead_25--> i did it just after i plugged it in
[20:36] <chandeller> OKS
[20:37] <shitwolf> Hi everyone!
[20:37] <poison--> !hi
[20:37] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[20:38] <shitwolf> My kde-desktop won't load anymore. X loads, but all i get is a standard background and a terminal window. No menus, no desktop-icons. Not even frames around the windows...
[20:38] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: new tail.. http://pastebin.ca/748372
[20:38] <BluesKaj> err shitwolf , that's not a proper nick for this chat
[20:38] <shitwolf> any ideas anyone?
[20:38] <shitwolf> sorry... it's my standard nick... how do i change it?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> !language | shitwolf
[20:39] <ubotu> shitwolf: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[20:39] <Greenery>  /nick newnick
[20:39] <shitwolf> I said sorry and asked how i can change it. point taken.
[20:39] <BluesKaj>   /nick newnick
[20:39] <Lille-brille> ok...
[20:40] <BluesKaj> good
[20:40] <Lille-brille> anyone who has any idea how to sort out my problem?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, were you using beryl or compiz previous to this prob
[20:41] <Lille-brille> nope.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> sounds like safe-mode
[20:42] <ady> hi
[20:42] <Lille-brille> i've been running kubuntu from before, but i had to reinstall, so i just installed from cd and kept the home-directory.
[20:42] <Lille-brille> and home-partition.
[20:42] <ady> who has got a firefox for ubuntu
[20:43] <Lille-brille> I've installed gnome now, and i'm working from that, but there are no frames around the windows here either...
[20:43] <Lille-brille> but i got menus and panels at least...
[20:43] <[ifr0g]> weird its showing sda when you already have it as a root partition
[20:43] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, ^
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, have you tried reinstalling kubuntu-desktop ?
[20:43] <Lille-brille> sounds like it is running in safe mode? or like i should run in safe mode?
[20:44] <harri_> Hello, how do I get java and flash working on Konqueror (32bit Gutsy) ?? I allready installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:44] <fluffman> harri_: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:44] <WANTED> a
[20:45] <fluffman> or just search for it in adept
[20:46] <fluffman> also install java from adept
[20:46] <mefisto__> Lille-brille: maybe you could try creating a new user and log in again to see if something in your user profile is the problem
[20:47] <Lille-brille> bluesKaj: is there a way of repairing it? or do i have to remove it first?
[20:47] <Lille-brille> BluesKaj: i was thinking sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde, but i dont know how thats going to work. I'd really like to keep my settings...
[20:47] <Lille-brille> harri: try to find it in synaptic and install it from there.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:49] <Lille-brille> but why didn't it install in the first place?
[20:50] <Lille-brille> hmm... this chat window is entirely filling the screen now... I'll have to close it down to open a terminal :-P
[20:51] <BluesKaj> dunno, Lille-brille , how did you upgrade ?
[20:51] <Lille-brille> from the live-cd
[20:51] <BluesKaj> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[20:51] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: so what do i do?
[20:52] <Lille-brille> but i had it installed from before, but needed to reinstall, so i did that from the cd, but kept the home-partition with my settings. kubuntu
[20:53] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: p.s. i never "installed" it as a "root".. i just had it plugged in to begin with, and it was recognized and mounted..
[20:53] <Aftermath> I have speakers built in to my monitor, how do I make them work?
[20:53] <Aftermath> Ah, I fixed it
[20:54] <Lille-brille> hmmm.... so far i'm really, really, really disappointed with gutsy gibbon... :-(   It's a huge step backwards from feisty.
[20:55] <str> Hi there.. I upgraded to gutsy and now I lost compiz-fusion, what should I do?
[20:55] <fluffman> !copiz | str
[20:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copiz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:55] <fluffman> oops
[20:55] <fluffman> !compiz | str
[20:55] <ubotu> str: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:55] <str> !compiz | str
[20:56] <fluffman> read those directions and follow them to a T
[20:56] <fluffman> not that it's all that great, anyway
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, you prolly need to fix fstab , to get your / and /home etc partitions to synch , but we need a heavy hitter here to help
[20:59] <kubuntunewbie> !info VLC
[20:59] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[21:02] <kubuntunewbie> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <kubuntunewbie> oops
[21:05] <bsundsrud> !Compiz
[21:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:09] <rickey> man, kubuntu gusty is good
[21:09] <acey> Can anyone explain to me how to use compiz-fusion?
[21:09] <rickey>  i had a bug last nigth and today i got a update and it fixed it
[21:09] <acey> I installed it and enabled some plugins and restarted the x server but nothing happens
[21:10] <acey> like when i move a window it doesnt have the jello looking effect
[21:10] <mefisto__> acey: I think it's compiz --replace
[21:10] <acey> to do what?
[21:10] <mefisto__> to start compiz
[21:10] <acey> oo type that into the console?
[21:11] <mefisto__> alt-f2, then type it there
[21:11] <mefisto__> that's 2 - - before replace
[21:11] <acey> k is there a space
[21:11] <acey> like
[21:11] <acey> compiz
[21:12] <acey> then space
[21:12] <acey> --replace
[21:12] <acey> grrr i just did it and still nothing my windows aren't like jello
[21:12] <mefisto__> copy/paste this: compiz --replace
[21:12] <acey> nope nothing
[21:12] <mefisto__> any message windows?
[21:13] <acey> nothing
[21:13] <acey> i tpyed it and the window went away
[21:13] <mefisto__> try typing it in a terminal and see if it gives any errors
[21:13] <acey> grrr i installed it exactly like the tutorial said
[21:13] <acey> and i tried that and it gave me an error
[21:14] <acey> its blacklisted
[21:14] <acey> oo wait it says xgl isn't present
[21:14] <acey> do i need to install that?
[21:15] <acey> hello?
[21:16] <mefisto__> dunno acey, I think it depends on your vidcard and xorg setup
[21:16] <acey> mmm
[21:16] <acey> idk well I guess I'll uninstall it for now
[21:16] <acey> have any idea how to do that? lol
[21:17] <acey> because now everytime i mouse over a window it goes to that window XD bothering me bad now
[21:17] <rickey> wen  in douth install it
[21:17] <mefisto__> XD?
[21:17] <acey> maybe someone on #ubuntu will know thanks for the help
[21:17] <mefisto__> acey: try #compiz-fusion too
[21:18] <acey> its supposed to look like someone laughing
[21:18] <rickey> good luck acey
[21:18] <acey> oo ok yea that'll help lol thanks
[21:18] <astan> hey. i'm upgrading to gutsy, but along the way, i got a segmentation fault in some sub-process (think it was debconf) and hence x11-common was not installed :( has it happened to anyone else?
[21:18] <astan> on my laptop the gutsy upgrade worked fine.
[21:18] <rickey> acey it,s the thougth that counts
[21:18] <astan> as a result of the error i think it was unable to install x11-common.. don't know what that will leave me with when upgrade is done :/
[21:19] <jhutchins_x> acey, You've got to accept that compiz is bleeding edge alpha-test software, and still doesn't work on a majority of linux PC's.
[21:20] <rakan> Hello, is there a good open source PHP editor with intelisense like Zend studio?
[21:21] <jhutchins_x> rakan: vi
[21:21] <rakan> does it have auto completition and Intellisense?
[21:21] <waylandbill> I thought the default action was to mouse over a window and make it active or at least I know the scroll wheel functions that way.
[21:22] <jhutchins_x> You can set it up to, although it's not as thorough as emacs.
[21:22] <jhutchins_x> I thought Zend was OS anyway, don't they have a linux version?
[21:22] <rakan> no they dont
[21:23] <rakan> Zend studio is created using Java
[21:23] <rakan> so its OS independant
[21:23] <rakan> what about PHP 4? i dont see it anywhere in my kubuntu repo. can i still install it and integrate it to apache?
[21:24] <waylandbill> a firm understanding of a programming language and its libraries makes working with it easier and lowers the dependency of autocompletion and the like.
[21:24] <rakan> yea but we are talking about productivity here
[21:24] <rakan> i do know PHP quite well
[21:25] <rakan> but i recently moved to LInux. used to code on Windows using Zend
[21:25] <rakan> and auto-completion really helped in decreasing the time required to code something
[21:25] <rakan> it was such a good editoe
[21:25] <rakan> for some reason it doesnt accept arabic input on linux
[21:25] <rakan> which is strange
[21:26] <astan> maybe kdevelop has php autocompletion, and is maybe more like zend studio than vi(m) is. but i don't know.
[21:26] <rakan> thanks guyz
[21:27] <waylandbill> I'm sure there are many that can be rather productive with a simple text editor.
[21:30] <Ank_186> Can anyone answer a question about Kaffeine media player?
[21:30] <Hamppari> omg, just realised ati released AIGLX supporting driver yesterday
[21:32] <mefisto__> ask, Ank_186
[21:33] <Ank_186> mefisto?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> !ask | Ank_186
[21:33] <ubotu> Ank_186: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:33] <Ank_186> what does it mean when it says "no URL handler implemented"?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> Ank_186, , are you trying to play website videos
[21:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:34] <frojnd> How can I check if my wireless card is detected/has installed drivers??
[21:34] <Ank_186> yes
[21:35] <dhq> how do i install my infrared device built in my laptop
[21:36] <waylandbill> fronjd: lsmod should show a loaded module for it
[21:36] <BluesKaj> ok Ank_186 install libxine1-ffmpeg , but you should also install the flashplugin-nonfree and make sure you javas are fairly up to date
[21:37] <ScorpKing> frojnd: iwconfig
[21:39] <waylandbill> frojnd: lspci will tell you what kind of card it is if you are just starting out and don't know it.
[21:39] <frojnd> ScorpKing, lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extension. But eth1 has something: ESSID: "router2" Nickname: "Broadcom 4311" Mode: Managed Access Point: Invalid Link Quality=0/100
[21:39] <ScorpKing> frojnd: run lsmod | grep bcm to see if the module is loaded.
[21:40] <frojnd> hm ScorpKing there are 3 results: bcm43xx, ieee80211softmac, ieee80211
[21:41] <ScorpKing> frojnd: then it's loaded :)
[21:41] <waylandbill> frojnd: bcm43xx is the one. :)
[21:41] <ScorpKing> yes
[21:41] <frojnd> but why I can't connect to the internet ScorpKing waylandbill
[21:41] <frojnd> I mean..
[21:41] <frojnd> I set everythin IP  password...
[21:42] <ScorpKing> frojnd: using knetworkmanager? does the router have encryption?
[21:42] <frojnd> ScorpKing, router just need an 16bit pass
[21:42] <frojnd> I am on wireless on this maschine right now
[21:42] <frojnd> with linksys drivers..
[21:42] <ScorpKing> oh ok. wifi-radar works for me.
[21:42] <frojnd> but the other computer has allready build in wireless card..
[21:42] <waylandbill> I use knetworkmanager to browse access points. I couldn't do it with bcm43xx with my 4318. I needed ndiswrapper and a windows driver to get it to really work reliably.
[21:43]  * ScorpKing nods..
[21:43] <astan> i seem to have hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/147429 and my adept updater to gutsy has now hung.. i'm scared :(
[21:43] <frojnd> waylandbill, I've installed windows drivers for the laptop but I can't connect
[21:43] <harpi> hey everybody !
[21:44] <waylandbill> frojnd: is ndiswrapper's module loaded and did you set an alias? the ubuntu help wiki has good instructions.
[21:45] <waylandbill> (also bcm43xx would have to be unloaded to use ndiswrapper to load a windows driver)
[21:45] <harpi> i'm experienciing some trouble, I 'm behind a proxy server ... and i try to install via apt-get but the problem is that apt doesn't want to connect to any server to update ....
[21:45] <frojnd> waylandbill, first I've installed a program that allows windows drivers
[21:45] <harpi> does anyone have any idea of that
[21:45] <frojnd> than I load .nfo file from windows driveres
[21:45] <frojnd> and program said that driver is installed..
[21:45] <waylandbill> .inf file.. right.
[21:45] <frojnd> waylandbill, inf sorry
[21:46] <astan> any official kubuntu person here who knows what to do when hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/147429 ?
[21:46] <poison--> !codec
[21:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:46] <waylandbill> did you do ndiswrapper -ma  (install alias for all devices)
[21:46] <frojnd> waylandbill, no
[21:47] <harpi> nobody had some experience with apt-get and proxy ?
[21:47] <zerothis> I have a similar problem as when I upgraded to feisty. won't start GUI <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[21:47] <waylandbill> frojnd: you may want to try that. I'd do modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper in a terminal to see if it will help
[21:48] <waylandbill> frojnd: do those as root or via sudo btw.
[21:49] <rrubio> Hello there!
[21:49] <ScorpKing> hiya!
[21:50] <WaltzingAlong> !hi
[21:50] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:50] <ScorpKing> harpi: does konq and other kde apps have internet?
[21:50] <harpi> yep
[21:50] <ScorpKing> hmmm..
[21:51] <harpi> internet function correctly
[21:51] <ScorpKing> it should work then..
[21:52] <harpi> in fact it doesn't want to connect to any server when I do apt-get udpate ....
[21:52] <frojnd> waylandbill, sorry for that kinda delay time, I try to transfer data via flash drive...
[21:52] <harpi> sounds so weird !
[21:52] <epyfro> Hi
[21:52] <ScorpKing> harpi: i'm no pro on this but try to ping the apt repo or any of the others.
[21:52] <harpi> ok
[21:53] <frojnd> waylandbill, here is the output if I do command: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41992/
[21:54] <epyfro> is it possible to use "avm-core-applets-bzr" with KDE ?
[21:56] <frojnd> waylandbill, and after this comand: sudo modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper  If I do iwconfig there is no more eth1
[21:57] <frojnd> waylandbill, iwconfig before sudo modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41995/
[21:58] <venik> I am having trouble with Xsane or Kooka, using a Canoscan N650U scanner, which works fine under Windows XP
[21:59] <venik> when I try to use it, I just hear a loud noise from the scanner, but no image, although the PREVIEW seems to work
[21:59] <frojnd> oh and waylandbill if I click on a network settings, there is also NO wireless settings :S
[21:59] <frojnd> waylandbill, where have u gone ?  I neeeeeed u :)
[21:59] <venik> this is under Kubuntu 7.10
[21:59] <angasule> !pydance
[21:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pydance - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:00] <angasule> !stepmania
[22:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:00] <dhq> wats on the kubuntu dvd
[22:01] <frojnd> oh and waylandbill if I do lsmod | grep bcm there is nothing..
[22:02] <zerothis> any word on the no graphic when I upgraded to gusty problem? <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[22:02] <Dhraakellian> I installed ubuntu-desktop with aptitude.  What's the best way to get rid of it and all the dependencies it installed?
[22:05] <angasule> Dhraakellian: "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" doesn't do it? it should
[22:06] <frojnd> Ok looks like waylandbill is gone..
[22:06] <frojnd> does anyone know how can I enable or install wireless card?
[22:06] <zerothis> angasule: can aptitude remove itself?
[22:07] <frojnd> I wnet to administration and than enabled firmware for broadcom 43xx chipset family
[22:07] <frojnd> but han I have to specify a firmware location
[22:07] <angasule> zerothis: eh? you want to remove aptitude? why on earth?
[22:07] <frojnd> what exactly is firmware location???
[22:07] <Dhraakellian> angasule: that only removes the metapackage
[22:07] <||arifaX> a friend of mine has installation problems (feisty and gutsy) on a notebook. it is a 64bit machine. the 32bit installer does not reach the boot screen. the 64bit version installs with no problems. some kind of timer error appears during boot. any ideas because he wants to install 32bit?
[22:08] <angasule> Dhraakellian: did you install with aptitude or with apt-get (or a front end like adept, synaptic, etc)?
[22:08] <zerothis> angasule: no Dhraakellian wanted to remove it. I want X to work <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[22:09] <angasule> zerothis: Dhraakellian wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop, not aptitude
[22:09] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: seems like you need to grab a copy of the ms windows driver. the firmware would be in that
[22:09] <frojnd> I wanna to install drivers for my wifi: bradcom. So I went to administration -> restricted drivers and enabled Broadcom 43xx. And than a window appeared with some kind of note that I have to specify firmware location... where is this?
[22:10] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, I have windows drivers.
[22:10] <WaltzingAlong> !bcm43xx
[22:10] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[22:10] <frojnd> but what file am I looking for
[22:10] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong,
[22:10] <||arifaX> frojnd: I have also a broadcom BCM4328 in a notebook what is yours maybe I can help you a little
[22:10] <Dhraakellian> angasule: I'm pretty sure it was aptitude, since I remember reading that aptitude is smarter about uninstalling metapackages
[22:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: mine did NOT work with the bc43xx driver from linux
[22:11] <frojnd> ||arifaX, just a sec
[22:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: I needed the win driver and ndiswrapper
[22:11] <Dhraakellian> I can double-check my bash history though
[22:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, Dell Wireless 1390 802.11b/g
[22:12] <angasule> Dhraakellian: yes, aptitude is smarter for uninstalling, but you have to use aptitude all the time for it to work right
[22:12] <Dhraakellian> angasule: yeah... I installed ubuntu-desktop with aptitude
[22:12] <Dhraakellian> other stuff with different frontends, yes, but ubuntu-desktop was installed with aptitude
[22:13] <MEtaLpREs> so, just got my copy of Guttsy, the livecd works fine, boots fine,  the installer goes great and installs fine, then when i reboot it starts booting fine then i get a blank screen, not even a cursor or anything and it sits and doesnt ever go any further, even after 30 mins
[22:13] <Dhraakellian> on the other hand, this is a very fresh install, so wiping it out and starting over wouldn't be too tragic
[22:13] <MEtaLpREs> i checked my xorg.conf file and reset it back to vesa drivers and it still doesnt boot
[22:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: there is a howto her for feisty http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 maybe this also applies to gutsy?
[22:14] <angasule> Dhraakellian: you have to use *only* aptitude if you want it to work right, aptitude isn't magic, it keeps a database on automatically installed packages
[22:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I hopse so
[22:14]  * Dhraakellian looks around for that purekde page
[22:15] <||arifaX> frojnd: I think you can skip the part with compiling ndiswrapper, just install it and use the one that comes with gutsy
[22:15] <Dhraakellian> ah, found it:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde.php
[22:15] <MEtaLpREs> i did see some forums posts saying that some systems can take as much as 5mins to detect the vid card on boot, but even after 30 im still not getting anyhting, and it appears to be frozen totally, cant even dump back to a console
[22:16] <||arifaX> MEtaLpREs: pc or notebook?
[22:16] <MEtaLpREs> pc
[22:16] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well I don't have cable internet here
[22:16] <frojnd> just wireless
[22:16] <frojnd> that sux
[22:17] <||arifaX> frojnd: but you are online at the moment how comes?
[22:17] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I have 2 computers one laptop that I can't connect and this box..
[22:18] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:18] <MEtaLpREs> im grabbing a copy of feisty now so i can try that and maybe do an upgrade cause gutsy just doesnt work as a frsh install on this box
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: you could try to get the .deb packages or make a net2net connection to the working machine via cable and use it as gateway
[22:19] <MEtaLpREs> i can only assume its a video card issue, but im running a radeon 9600, its like one of the most common video cards out there, so why it wouldnt work its a mystery to me
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: a small proxy server would be enough
[22:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I also have flash drive
[22:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I don't have any cross over cable here with me
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:20] <WaltzingAlong> with two linux machines? using a normal cable should work
[22:20] <jing> hi
[22:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: so what you need would be ndiswrapper and the dell driver executable and cabextract
[22:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: do you run same distribution on both machines?
[22:21] <frojnd> ||arifaX, nop, on box feisty and on laptop gutsy
[22:22] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ndiswrapper ok
[22:22] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I just have to download windows drivers
[22:22] <||arifaX> frojnd: you could extract the dell driver on the other machine so you don't need the cabextract on the target machine
[22:23] <frojnd> ||arifaX, i allready have extracted on the laptop just on XPs...
[22:23] <||arifaX> frojnd: so you need the .deb for ndiswrapper the .inf and the .sys from the driver and that should be all
[22:24] <||arifaX> I could send you the .deb for ndiswrapper from my apt-cache if you like (I am on gutsy)
[22:26] <frojnd> || I have ndiswrapper
[22:26] <frojnd> ||arifaX,  I have ndiswrapper
[22:26] <||arifaX> frojnd: so you just need to do that tutorial and it should work! oh and if you have wpa you need wpa_supplicant
[22:27] <frojnd> ||arifaX, when I do ndiswrapper -l there is a note: bcmwl: invalid driver! bcmwl5: invalid driver!
[22:27] <||arifaX> frojnd: strange
[22:28] <||arifaX> frojnd: you have the .sys and the .inf there?
[22:28] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how can I unistall em
[22:28] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:28] <||arifaX> frojnd: ndiswrapper -r drivername
[22:29] <||arifaX> btw I use bcmwl5 here
[22:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, same here :>
[22:30] <||arifaX> frojnd: I don't know if ndiswrapper does copy the driver when you install it. did you install it from the flash drive or did you copy it to local disk before?
[22:30] <frojnd> ok
[22:30] <frojnd> removed
[22:30] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I just copyed the content on my local disk
[22:31] <frojnd> NOW
[22:31] <||arifaX> frojnd: I checked. ndiswrapper copies the driver to /etc/ndiswrapper/bcml5/bcmwl5.sys
[22:32] <||arifaX> frojnd: and you used that R151517.EXE from dell as source?
[22:33] <frojnd> ||arifaX, rhat's correct :)
[22:34] <||arifaX> frojnd: maybe the linux bc43xx module is loaded on your machine and makes problems with the other driver. hmm could be
[22:35] <miles_> is there a command to display how much ram one has in konsole?
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, could be...
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, now I've installed successfully
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how can I check if it works
[22:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: did you do that part adding ndiswrapper to your modules?
[22:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I can see wireless settings there
[22:36] <AmyRose> How can I find out what programs are started with the default Kubuntu session? (I turned off session saving)
[22:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: yeah
[22:37] <||arifaX> do a    sudo iwlist scanning
[22:37] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but when I do lsmod | grep bcm there is nothing
[22:37] <||arifaX> frojnd: thats ok! same here
[22:37] <||arifaX> frojnd: you do not use the bcm kernel modul you use ndiswrapper!
[22:37] <frojnd> ||arifaX, oh ok
[22:38] <||arifaX> frojnd: when I do sudo iwlist scanning here I see my accesspoint in the result. but I remember I needed a reboot before it worked - what shows ndiswrapper -l ?
[22:38] <frojnd> ||arifaX, i'll paste u output of scanning
[22:39] <||arifaX> frojnd: use pastebin
[22:39] <needles> !xorg
[22:39] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:39] <needles> !xserver
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <needles> !x
[22:39] <MilesG> 1000 kb = 1 mb, correct?
[22:39] <||arifaX> MilesG: sometimes
[22:39] <MilesG> ?
[22:39] <acey> Can anyone tell me how to make the bottom bar transparent so windows will be shown under it?
[22:39] <||arifaX> 1024kb = 1mb sometimes
[22:40] <MilesG> oic
[22:40] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42004/
[22:40] <acey> or shortcuts under it?
[22:40] <needles> how does that command go again?
[22:40] <needles> dpkg xserver-xorg?
[22:40] <needles> or something along those lines
[22:40] <MilesG> cat /proc/meminfo says MemTotal = 1027420 kb, so it is safe to say i have 1 gig of ram
[22:40] <MilesG> [confirm/deny]
[22:41] <||arifaX> hey frojnd: your wireless works!
[22:41] <needles> !xserver-xorg
[22:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, and ndiswrapper -l shows: bcmwl5: driver installed device (E:O...) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[22:41]  * MilesG is crying
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok but I still can't connect to a net :)
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I'll reboot
[22:41] <||arifaX> frojnd: thats another thing
[22:41] <||arifaX> I don't think you need a reboot because your wireless is already up and running
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, u meantion some kind of support for wep
[22:42] <||arifaX> frojnd: wep should work out of the box only wpa needs wpa_supplicant and it looks like wep at yours
[22:43] <frojnd> ||arifaX, couse here on this box here I only have to blackist rt61pci and wireless worked after that... no other support for wep...
[22:43] <frojnd> ||arifaX, we are talking here about same network
[22:43] <||arifaX> frojnd: but you need a wep key right!
[22:43] <MilesG> AmyRose: is this what yall wanted? http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#otostart
[22:44] <||arifaX> frojnd: if you have no wireless manager installed you need to enter the key into /etc/network/interfaces
[22:44] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes, and I enter it on laptop the same as here on box
[22:44] <AmyRose> MilesG: Yeah, but I found what I wanted to know by digging around in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings
[22:44] <MilesG> you aight
[22:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: do a iwconfig --help (i hope you got it installed) and try to use that command to enter everything on the command line
[22:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: do you have a dhcp on your router?
[22:45] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:46] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I can access router
[22:46] <||arifaX> frojnd: try a "sudo dhclient eth1" then
[22:46] <needles> whats the command go reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[22:46] <MilesG> AmyRose: how long have you been using linux?
[22:46] <AmyRose> MilesG: almost 4 years :P
[22:46] <||arifaX> needles: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:46] <needles> ||arifaX: thanks
[22:46] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but every client that connects to the router has to set dns, static ip etc...
[22:46] <MilesG> AmyRose: how long have you loved sonic the hedgehog?
[22:46] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:46] <AmyRose> MilesG: Since about 1994 :P
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: see the sample here http://www.klamm.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-102528.html
[22:47] <frojnd> :)
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: check the part with eth1
[22:47] <frojnd> I mean o_O
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: this should bring you online. dns is the other thing maybe you have to add it to /etc/resolv.conf manually
[22:47] <MilesG> lol
[22:48] <higgi> hi can someone help me install beryl?
[22:48] <AmyRose> !beryl | higgi
[22:48] <ubotu> higgi: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:49] <ardchoille> !beryl | higgi
[22:49] <BrightEyes`> any IDEs for writing c# and creating GUIs easily? (like netbeans)
[22:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, under /etc/network/interfaces I have only settings for wired network
[22:49] <ardchoille> !compiz | higgi
[22:49] <MilesG> !mono | BrightEyes`
[22:49] <ubotu> higgi: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:49] <MilesG> !monodevelop | BrightEyes`
[22:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monodevelop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: add it!
[22:49] <MilesG> BrightEyes`: look at monodevelop
[22:50] <BrightEyes`> MilesG: i couldnt install it.can u help me?
[22:50] <AmyRose> !u | BrightEyes`
[22:50] <ubotu> BrightEyes`: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[22:50] <MilesG> BrightEyes`: "sudo apt-get install monodevelop"
[22:50] <||arifaX> frojnd: maybe paste current and add some lines with the static ip supnetmask and gateway you want to add, I will look at it
[22:50] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well no... I have settings for eth1
[22:51] <||arifaX> frojnd: then change it like shown on the page using your values
[22:51] <||arifaX> when done do an sudo ifdown eth1 and then sudo ifup eth1
[22:52] <BrightEyes`> MilesG: you rock dude! thanks
[22:52]  * MilesG nods
[22:52] <ardchoille> AmyRose: u don't like peoploe typing "u"?
[22:53]  * ardchoille mutters something about freedom of speech
[22:53]  * MilesG goes to www.utube.com
[22:53] <ardchoille> hehe
[22:53] <frojnd> ||arifaX, /etc/network/interfaces for wireless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42006/
[22:57] <||arifaX> frojnd: looks good you could try removing the auto eth1
[22:57] <frojnd> ok
[22:58] <frojnd> should I restart anything
[22:58] <frojnd> and ||arifaX I need to put dns somewhere
[22:58] <MilesG> wait wait, i think i know this one
[22:58] <MilesG> "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
[22:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, since on XP u cann't connect to router if u don't have set dnss
[22:58] <WaltzingAlong> AmyRose: those of us with konversation can use the 'autoreplace' to replace an outgoing 'u' with 'you'
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: you should be able to ping the router without setting a dns
[22:59] <MilesG> necromancer
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: just do a     sudo ifdown eth1    and sudo ifup eth1
[22:59] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well I can ping it ...
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: then good so
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> !info monodevelop
[23:00] <||arifaX> frojnd: now check /etc/resolv.conf and maybe post it - what is your dns ip same es gateway?
[23:00] <ubotu> monodevelop: C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14+dfsg-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2273 kB, installed size 7280 kB
[23:00] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42007/  settings for this box
[23:00] <astan> hm. the very simple thing of opening up a network port, will i have to fiddle with iptables for that, or is there something that comes standard with kubuntu (KDE?) to just open up a port?
[23:00] <Bandito> Yesssss I finally got this poxy KUBUNTU to go Wireless
[23:00] <MilesG> astan: try firestarter
[23:00] <frojnd> ||arifaX, nop gateway IP and dns1 and dns2 are different
[23:00] <MilesG> !firestarter | astan
[23:00] <ubotu> astan: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> !info guarddog
[23:00] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[23:01] <AmyRose> WaltzingAlong: I know
[23:01] <||arifaX> frojnd: wait a mom
[23:01] <trappist> anybody got a geforce 8800?  I'm wondering if they've fixed the drivers yet.
[23:02] <frojnd> ||arifaX, /etc/resolv.conf:  nameserver 193.2.1.66 nameserver 193.2.1.72
[23:02] <astan> MilesG WaltzingAlong: okay. thanks. on one of my computers i was using kmyfirewall, which worked okay.. i just thought if there was something already in KDE for very simple things.
[23:02] <||arifaX> frojnd: are this the right ones?
[23:02] <astan> i'll look into the alternatives again then.
[23:02] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes the same as here on the box
[23:03] <WaltzingAlong> astan: those are just interfaces to configuring iptables but sure, use whichever suites you
[23:03] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok. you can ping the router so your wireless works. you have the correct dns settings in resolv.conf you should be able to ping some hostname on the internet now.   try ping www.google.de
[23:04] <frojnd> ||arifaX, it wont :S
[23:04] <MilesG> computers are crazy
[23:04] <||arifaX> frojnd: your nameservers are public nameservers in the internet. so you won't come over the router at the moment
[23:05] <||arifaX> can you ping the nameservers ips and get a response (I can from here!)
[23:05] <Hamppari> Hello, how do I install Compiz?
[23:05] <||arifaX> frojnd: ^I can ping your dns servers so they are public
[23:05] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well what is it than
[23:05] <frojnd> ||arifaX, what is the hatch... this is really insane
[23:05] <Hamppari> !compiz
[23:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:06] <||arifaX> frojnd: can you ping the nameservers IPs?
[23:06] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I got response: ping: unknown host www.google.de
[23:06] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[23:07] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok I CANT
[23:07] <frojnd> ||arifaX, from ping 192.168.2.11 ...
[23:07] <frojnd> WTF
[23:07] <frojnd> This settings are for my wired network at home
[23:07] <frojnd> I have this IP at home..
[23:08] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: it may help to read a little about routing
[23:08] <||arifaX> frojnd: what shows    dig @193.2.1.66 www.google.de
[23:09] <frojnd> ||arifaX, 1 server found
[23:09] <frojnd> ;; global options: printcmd
[23:09] <||arifaX> WaltzingAlong: he already can ping his dns-servers which are on the internet so routing is okay I think
[23:09] <||arifaX> frojnd: use pastebin
[23:09] <frojnd> ;; connection timed out; no serveres could be reached
[23:10] <frojnd> oh sorry I was in the hurry
[23:10] <||arifaX> frojnd: so this means you can't reach your dns servers. you told me you could ping them right?
[23:10] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but than I've corrected myself :S
[23:11] <frojnd> I thought I could ping couse I misstyped: ping 193.2.166
[23:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: then WaltzingAlong is right. you cannot reach the public internet.
[23:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: what shows    dig  @192.168.0.1 www.google.de
[23:11] <astan> WaltzingAlong: guarddog was just what i was looking for, it was even easier than kmyfirewall which i've used before. thanks!
[23:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, btw, thanx for helping me so much
[23:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, the same as 193.2.1.66
[23:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: no problem.   could you please pastebin the output of      route
[23:13] <frojnd> ||arifaX, just a sec
[23:14] <Hamppari> How do I make sure I have the 8.42.3 ati driver installed and not the "old" one
[23:14] <jcha> guys, i've installed the compiz-fusion packages on gutsy... now what? :-) There appears to be no difference, what do i have to do to enable it?
[23:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42008/
[23:15] <newsense07> jcha: from run: compiz --replace
[23:15] <||arifaX> frojnd: and the output of     route    please
[23:15] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | jcha, check the wiki;
[23:16] <Hamppari> I have the newest ati driver now when I run compiz --replace It says Checking for Xgl: not present. Why is tht?
[23:16] <jcha> newsense07: you're a star! that worked!
[23:16] <jcha> nice one!
[23:16] <newsense07> np
[23:16] <frojnd> ||arifaX, and with this u mean dig @dns ?
[23:16] <jcha> cheers
[23:16] <||arifaX> frojnd: no just the output of the command    "route"
[23:17] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok just a sec
[23:17] <jcha> by the way, am I the only person that gets p***ed off at how google returns results for ubuntu when you search for kubuntu even when half the time ubuntu isn't even mentioned in the page?! it's driving me nuts!
[23:18] <||arifaX> jcha: modify your search string then and add -"ubuntu" maybe helps
[23:18] <Hamppari> !aigxl
[23:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aigxl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:18] <newsense07> same thing besides kde replaces gnome
[23:18] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42010/
[23:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, it is using the settings for my home wired network... somehow
[23:19] <jcha> just a pet peeve ;-) cheers for the help guys, laters
[23:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: that is strange
[23:20] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I'll paste u the /etc/network/interfaces
[23:20] <||arifaX> frojnd: your gateway is 192.168.0.1 - right? and on eth1 your default route points to 192.168.2.8 on eth0 so you could not get out of your net
[23:20] <john_> cunt
[23:20] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok
[23:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: also add     "ifconfig eth1"    output please
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> !intel
[23:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <needles> how would i make kmplayer the default media player?
[23:24] <WaltzingAlong> !default
[23:24] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[23:26] <needles> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[23:26]  * WaltzingAlong nods
[23:26] <frojnd> ||arifaX, sorry for delay: I have to put in out flash... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42011/
[23:27] <MilesG> is it possible to download kde themes from the kubuntu repositories>
[23:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, still there ? :)
[23:29] <||arifaX> frojnd: your settings for eth0 and eth1 interfer.
[23:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, somehow they fight...
[23:30] <||arifaX> try a "sudo ifconfig eth0 down"   and then "sudo ifconfig eth1 down"   then "sudo ifup eth1" and check "route" for changes
[23:32] <imagine[laptop]> Hmm... All my menu in Kmenu are weird it is like this: :Entries from Strigi Apps
[23:32] <frojnd> ||arifaX, sudo ifup eth1 SIOCSIFFČAGS: NO such file or directory
[23:33] <||arifaX> frojnd: np what about route is there now eth1 in? or still eth0 as default?
[23:33] <frojnd> ||arifaX, route: everything disapeard :)
[23:33] <imagine[laptop]> anyone has their Kmenu all weird with Stuff related to strigi to all entry ?
[23:33] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok so you are not connected to the accesspoint anymore I think
[23:33] <frojnd> just writes: Destination, Getway, Fenmask Flasgs Metric...
[23:34] <||arifaX> frojnd: do a   "sudo ifconfig eth1 up"
[23:34] <frojnd> ||arifaX, SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[23:35] <||arifaX> frojnd: strange - if you do again    sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   what happens?
[23:36] <frojnd> first: * reconfiguring network interfaces... RTNETLINK answer: no such process SIOCDELRT: no such process
[23:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: I think you really have only the problem that you have concurrent settings for your 2 interfaces. you could remove eth0 completely from interfaces temporary to get eth1 as default route or maybe do a reboot now and we can look again
[23:36] <imagine[laptop]> come on.. somebody has to have this problem.... It's just stupid.. All my menu are bugged by strigi
[23:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: I will be smoking a cig and be back soon maybe your reboot is done then
[23:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok..
[23:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but it will be quick
[23:36] <frojnd> 30 sec :D
[23:37] <shadowhywind> where are the location where most icons are stored in?
[23:37] <imagine[laptop]> shadowhywind: ~/.kde ?
[23:38] <shadowhywind> do you know what folder in side of the .KDE folder they would be in?
[23:39] <stdin> shadowhywind: you mean system icons?
[23:39] <shadowhywind> like the pidgin systray icon
[23:39] <stdin> shadowhywind: /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps
[23:39] <imagine[laptop]> oh yeah.. /usr/share/... didn't remmeber
[23:40] <Minataku> <.<
[23:40] <||arifaX> frojnd: so what now?
[23:40] <imagine[laptop]> stdin: Did you have any issue with Kmenu entries being altered by Strigi?
[23:40] <Minataku> Where is Dr_Willis ? ;o;
[23:40] <frojnd> ||arifaX, let's move away ath0
[23:40] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: nope, all strigi does is eat my cpu :p
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> All my entries start with _:Entries in K-Menu: Strigi app name: name of the apps
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> It's damn annoying...
[23:41] <Minataku> Mmmmm. Semiconductors.
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> stdin: yeah.. I disabled the daemon.. but it still ***** my Menu
[23:42] <stdin> I don't see how strigi could write to the kmenu, but I don't know it all that well
[23:42] <zach_> hello
[23:42] <imagine[laptop]> I don't know but it does it... it's like it's corrupted on my system, but it's a fresh install
[23:43] <zach_> i've got this problem that involves Firefox
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> oh well..
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> I'm out
[23:43] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: I'd recommend you report it on launchpad
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> laucnhpad ?
[23:44] <frojnd> ||arifaX, we could remove settings for wired network...
[23:44] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: launchpad is the site Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) bugs go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[23:44] <imagine[laptop]> ty
[23:44] <zach_> it seems to have problems loading the security features
[23:44] <imagine[laptop]> no time to report it right now.. Got some studying to do I'll do it later on
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> hi
[23:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: look at the end of http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42013/
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> can i use i386 distro with a AMD 64 cpu  ?
[23:45] <||arifaX> MaDiNfO_: yes
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> okay
[23:46] <zach_> because it won't start up, and it says that it had problems trying to load the security features
[23:46] <||arifaX> MaDiNfO_: would be the better choice if you you want to use it as simple desktop systems because all stuff like flash firefox codecs etc. works out of the box then
[23:46] <zach_> and that it couldn't load firefox for that reason
[23:47] <MaDiNfO_> no flash for x86_64 ?
[23:47] <Minataku> x64, IMO, is a lousy hack
[23:47] <Minataku> I don't see it getting too much support any time soon
[23:47] <zach_> ;_;
[23:47] <Minataku> Just boot the lousy pieces of silicon in Legacy Mode
[23:47] <||arifaX> Minataku: good for servers
[23:48] <Minataku> Even though you're stuck with x86 either way, you'll be happier
[23:48] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: flash only works on 32bit (tho Adobe have some plans for 64bit versions some time in the future)
[23:48] <Minataku> Of course, you'll be happiest when you're like be and you find the world outside x86
[23:48] <Minataku> Like UltraSPARC <3
[23:48] <zach_> can anyone help me?
[23:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok I've pasted
[23:49] <blendtux> anybody ovehrere having problems with blender on gutsy gibbon
[23:49] <zach_> i'm new to this OS, and I'd like to learn more
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: restart networking
[23:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, so now sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[23:49] <blendtux> crashes when you push the play button
[23:49] <zach_>  
[23:49] <zach_> >_>
[23:49] <bottiger> I've always used "du -sk .[A-z]* * | sort -n" to se which files/folder that takes up space on my harddrive. However, can someone help me extend it so it prints out the filesize in a human readable format. like "du -sh foo" ?
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: yep
[23:49] <zach_> <_<
[23:49] <Minataku> Sorry, I've grown to dislike x86 after using other architectures and realizing just how poor x86 is
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: and checkout "route" again and all other stuff we tried
[23:50] <zach_> :'(
[23:50] <MaDiNfO_> well i can compile on i386 with x64 cpu extencions to get more speed or not ?
[23:50] <Minataku> zach_: Slow down
[23:51] <Minataku> MaDiNfO_: No
[23:51] <_mark_> Does anyone know how to downgrade from Gutsy to Feisty?
[23:51] <zach_> ok..............
[23:51] <Minataku> If it's booted in legacy mode, it can only run IA-32 apps
[23:51] <MaDiNfO_> ok
[23:51] <Minataku> And 64bit doesn't give much improvement on x86 anyway
[23:51] <MaDiNfO_> i will stay on i386 than
[23:51] <Minataku> Especially in userland
[23:51] <zach_> i just kind of tend to assume that people ignore me
[23:51] <Minataku> zach_: If nobody knows the answer, they won't respond
[23:52] <Minataku> It keeps the signal to noise ratio better
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> zach_: learn linux
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> or kubuntu
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> or anyother distro
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> google is your teacher
[23:52] <zach_> i have kubuntu
[23:52] <Minataku> zach_: Limit asking to maybe every 20 minutes
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> wathever
[23:52] <zach_> ok
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> google teach you
[23:52] <Minataku> Perhaps someone will show up later who knows
[23:52] <zach_> cool
[23:52] <Minataku> MaDiNfO_: Cease
[23:53] <zach_> alright
[23:53] <declan> What does zach want to know?
[23:53] <Minataku> We don't harass the newbies here
[23:53] <||arifaX> a friend of mine has installation problems (feisty and gutsy) on a notebook. it is a 64bit machine. the 32bit installer does not reach the boot screen. the 64bit version installs with no problems. some kind of timer error appears during boot. any ideas because he wants to install 32bit?
[23:53] <Minataku> We help them
[23:53] <marx2k> Anyone here use KLibido?
[23:53] <Minataku> Unless they're just being stupid and/or lazy, which has happened before
[23:53] <MaDiNfO_> Minataku: yes but they need to be more specific about their problem
[23:53] <MaDiNfO_> :P
[23:53] <Minataku> He was quite specific
[23:53] <Minataku> You probably missed it
 i'm new to this OS, and I'd like to learn more
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> maybe
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> this was wath i saw
[23:54] <declan> Seems a bit of a large question...
[23:54]  * WaltzingAlong had not even seen a question in that
[23:54] <declan> Nothing more specific?
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> anyway
[23:55] <MaDiNfO_> sleep time
[23:55] <WaltzingAlong> _mark_: grab the feisty alt cd, install from there, formatting / but leaving /home intact
[23:55] <Minataku> Scroll up and look for it, or zach_, just repeat it
[23:56]  * MaDiNfO_ AFK
[23:56] <||arifaX> frojnd: any news?
[23:56] <WaltzingAlong> MaDiNfO_: in konversation press f3 to start a search
[23:57] <frojnd> ||arifaX, jsut bad news :s
[23:57] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: public away messages are obnoxious
[23:57] <_mark_> WaltzingAlong: I think my /home is in the same partition as everything else.  It won't work then, will it?
[23:57] <_mark_> Or will it?
[23:57] <MaDiNfO_> stdin: its s simple /ame
[23:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I've tryed everything: route nothing dig nothuing... and than I've sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[23:58] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: just use /away <reason>  when you are away
[23:58] <WaltzingAlong> _mark_: well saving /home was meant to save your personal files/folders; but any of the !backup methods should work for that
[23:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, still nothing, and than I sudo ifconfig eth1 down (I don't know why)
[23:58] <stdin> and take a look at the IRC Guidelines
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> anything else ?
[23:59] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: nope, you're free to sleep :)
[23:59] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but if  I do iwconfig there are settings for eth1 despite I made sudo ifconfig eth1 down
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> :P
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> okay
[23:59] <declan> I have a question: how do people here start compiz on kubuntu gutsy. When I type compiz, I end up without decorations, and the desktop becomes unusable. Is there a better command to type? I have ubuntu-desktop installed, and it works there, so I guess I have all of the requisite packages...