[01:32] <gregorovius> Hi. I've got a question: I submitted a bug against gdm, but it turns out it's not gdm's fault but ubuntustudio-gdm... how can I move it or reassign it?
[01:39] <kiko> gregorovius, just click on the down arrow in the task table and change it.
[01:41] <gregorovius> thanks
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #156498 in soyuz "changelog-closes-bugs should also have a just notifies-bug variant" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156498
[03:07] <dererk> How could I get an Launchpad.net email administrator address ?
[03:07] <ScottK> For you or to send mail to one?
[03:07] <dererk> For contacting Administrators of Launchpad.net
[03:08] <ScottK> The best way to do that is ask a question for the Launchpad project.
[03:09] <dererk> I spent about 20' looking for any, but the site goes around like a endless road
[03:09] <ScottK> Heh.  I understand.
[03:09] <dererk> I don't want to spend even a second to register neither to log in to anywhere
[03:09] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:09] <ScottK> Dunno what to tell you then.
[03:10] <ScottK> Hang around here.  One will show up eventually.
[03:10] <dererk> ScottK, thanks for your time 
[03:10] <ScottK> No trouble.
[03:13] <kiko> what's up dererk?
[03:13] <dererk> kiko, do you administrate or have any relation with launchpad.net ?
[03:14] <kiko> I do
[03:14] <dererk> could you please pass me an email address ?
[03:14] <dererk> I want it formaly 
[03:15] <kiko> dererk, kiko@canonical.com
[03:15] <dererk> kiko, thank you
[03:15] <kiko-zzz> you're welcome
[03:15] <dererk> have a nice day all
[03:43] <markybob> what happens if your ppa build fails because of a missing build-depend?  will it be built on another machine?  the package i need is libboost-thread-dev, which is in gutsy and feisty, so i'm not sure what the problem is
[03:45] <Hobbsee> did you follow the quickstart guide?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> markybob: no, it wont be built on another machine.  you need to fix your package.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> to fix it, you need to read and follow the entire quickstart guide.
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #156575 in launchpad "PPA builds do not create -dbgsym packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156575
[09:32] <norsetto> morning all, is there a way to remove attachments from launchpad bugs? Some users has about 20 MB of them
[10:06] <Fujitsu> norsetto: If you click the edit button next to each attachment, there should be an option to delete.
[10:06]  * norsetto checks
[10:07] <norsetto> Fujitsu: I think you have to member of some team which I guess I'm not, since I see no edit button
[10:10] <Fujitsu> norsetto: In the portlet on the left.
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Not in the comments.
[10:11] <norsetto> Fujitsu: oh yeah, how can anyone be so dumb :-)
[10:36] <mpt> Another person not seeing portlets :-/
[10:37] <Fujitsu> mpt: The edit buttons aren't entirely obvious, either.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> The bugwatches have the pencil, for example.
[12:10] <RainCT> hi, can someone please remove Freevial's "nothing" series (launchpad.net/freevial/nothing/) :P
[12:13] <mwhudson> RainCT: file a question if you don't get a response here
[12:14] <RainCT> mwhudson: yes I know, thanks :)
[12:16] <mwhudson> RainCT: ok :)
[14:39] <hggdh> is LP down?
[14:44] <statik> hggdh: it's working for me
[14:44] <hggdh> statik: I get the "Please try again later"...
[14:45] <hggdh> well, not anymore. Go figure
[14:46] <statik> hggdh: thanks for confirming. there is an upgrade later on, but it should be working right now, let us know if you see it again
[14:47] <hggdh> statik: will do, thanks
[15:00] <flacoste> barry: reviewers' meeting?
[15:00] <barry> howdy everyone, and welcome to the AMEU reviewers meeting
[15:01] <mwhudson> hello!
[15:01] <barry> for the next 45 minutes or less, well be discussing the launchpad code review process.
[15:01] <barry> who's here today?
[15:01] <bac> AMEU!
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <intellectronic1> me
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <mwhudson> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:01] <statik> me
[15:01] <BjornT> me
[15:02] <barry> == Agenda ==   * Roll call  * Next meeting  * Action items  * Queue status  * Mentoring update
[15:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:02] <salgado> me!
[15:03] <mwhudson> in a week's time i shall be on a plane, of course
[15:03] <barry> well, the next meeting will be problematic as it's a travel day to boston.  i certainly won't be online.
[15:03] <barry> shall we just cancel the meeting then?
[15:03] <statik> +1 for cancelling for next 2 weeks
[15:04] <barry> statik: good point.  i don't see any value in having a meeting here when we're all at allhands
[15:04] <mwhudson> +1
[15:04] <barry> any objections for canceling the next two AMEU reviewer meetings?
[15:04] <sinzui> I have a reservation
[15:04] <bac> +1 on canceling
[15:04] <sinzui> We hold the meetings in public for a public record
[15:05] <flacoste> next week is problematic
[15:05] <flacoste> since many people will be away
[15:05] <flacoste> and the usual metting period is booked at AllHands
[15:05] <flacoste> it falls in the morning 'plenary sessions'
[15:06] <barry> flacoste: right, i agree
[15:06] <flacoste> so if we still want to hold an online meeting at AllHands we'll need to move the time
[15:06] <barry> i don't see that we can do it at the regular time in two weeks, and most of us will be traveling next week
[15:07] <barry> if we still want to do it in 2 weeks time, we could slot it for 11:15 EDT session
[15:07] <barry> let's see a vote of hands.  please respond 'cancel' if you want to cancel the session while we're at allhands, or 'reschedule' if you want to do it in 2 weeks at a different time
[15:07] <statik> cancel
[15:08] <intellectronica> do we already know what's planned for reviewer activity in UDS/AllHands - there was some talk about a training session and so on - maybe we can combine that and make an appearance here?
[15:09] <barry> intellectronica: if kiko and i can ever find some time to talk about it, we'll do something ;).  i'm not sure there's much value in being online too.  i think it will just slow us down.
[15:09] <flacoste> cancel
[15:09] <bac> cancel
[15:09] <BjornT> cancel
[15:09] <intellectronica> fair enough
[15:09] <sinzui> cancel
[15:09] <salgado> cancel
[15:09] <mwhudson> cancel
[15:10] <barry> cool.  so resolved.
[15:10] <barry>  * Action items
[15:10] <barry> here are the outstanding action items from the last meeting (both us and AsiaPac)
[15:10] <barry>  * jml, create a ReviewerMeetingTemplate wiki page similar to BazaarMeetingTemplate with template for minutes and instructions on preparing the email.
[15:10] <mwhudson> jml is on leave
[15:10] <barry> jml's not here but i don't think that's done yet
[15:11] <barry>  * jml to confirm that SteveA's email about using properties rather than no-arg functions on view classes is in a relevant checklist on wiki
[15:11] <barry> anyone know if that's been done?
[15:11]  * barry thinks not
[15:11] <barry>  * barry to ask jamesh to put his `pending-review` script in the tree, mthaddon to make sure it runs, statik to enhance.
[15:12] <barry> i sent a message to jamesh, cc'd statik and mthaddon.
[15:12] <barry> asking jamesh to commit pending-reviews to our tree, probably in utilities
[15:12] <barry> and mthaddon to get the script to run from there
[15:12] <barry>  * statik to include [https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626 bug 113626] in his enhancements.
[15:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626
[15:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[15:13] <statik> the wiki page is CodeReviewChecklist, and I think it needs to have a comment about mutable class variables added in addition to the properties vs. functions thing
[15:13] <barry> i should also have included bug 151304 on that list
[15:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151304 in launchpad "Pending-reviews script should email the launchpad reviewers list when a branch misses the SLA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151304
[15:14] <barry> statik: +1, can you or bac add that part?
[15:14] <seb128> hi
[15:14] <statik> I likely won't get to working on those reviewer script enhancements until December, due to launchpad meetings, allhands meetings, and 2 weeks of leave
[15:14] <barry> statik: i don't think there's a huge rush
[15:15] <statik> barry: yep, I can add two comments to the code review template if you can check them for me to make sure they are sane after I do it
[15:15] <seb128> is it possible to give open (like not restricted to the team members) write access to a team bzr branch?
[15:15] <barry> statik: yep, will do
[15:15] <barry> statik: just ping me
[15:15] <barry>  * intellectronica to merge his patches to the `utilities/review` script
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #156676 in launchpad "Please use standard ASCII quotes, not US-winkle-quotes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156676
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #156677 in soyuz "Version history changelog has broken links" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156677
[15:16] <statik> seb128: we are in a reviewers meeting at the moment, which is why there is so much activity. however, I know it is possible to set up a team where anyone can join, and that might be the solution you are looking for
[15:16] <intellectronica> sorry, no news about this yet, but I'll to get it done now that cycle starts
[15:16] <seb128> statik: ok sorry, I was wondering about the meeting but the topic didn't indicate that, sorry for interupting and thanks for the answer
[15:17] <barry> statik: one other thing (and i'll submit a bug for this), it would be nice if pending-reviews could take the milestone into account when coloring over sla branches.
[15:17] <statik> give 'em an inch and they ask for a mile
[15:17] <barry> statik: :)
[15:18] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:18] <barry> there are 4 branches over sla, but (after painful searching on two pages <wink>) 3 of those are for .11
[15:19] <barry> or 2 are definitely for .11, one is for .10 and one has no designation :/
[15:19] <barry> i'm not sure why we still have branches for .10 though, especially needs-review branches for .10
[15:20] <barry> anything else on queue status?
[15:20] <barry> 5
[15:20] <barry> 4
[15:20] <barry> 3
[15:20] <barry> 2
[15:20] <barry> 1
[15:20] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:21] <barry> so, mentor and recruits, how was hell week for you? 
[15:21] <sinzui> All is good for me
[15:22] <statik> I survived only because flacoste took over mentoring for me during that week
[15:22] <intellectronica> absolutely fine. i didn't had much of a load and got great instruction from my mentor
[15:22] <mwhudson> it was ok for me
[15:22] <statik> am looking forward to learning some tips and tricks from sinzui in person soon
[15:22] <bac> went well
[15:22] <mwhudson> large soyuz branches are hard to review :)
[15:22] <sinzui> statik: when pylint lands, I will have no secrets
[15:22]  * flacoste cannot complain, allocator was gentle on me
[15:23] <barry> mentors: if anyone feels like their recruit is ready to be graduated, please email me.  it's also fine to let them go through another cycle before we decide.  no need to say anything now.
[15:24] <barry> cool, anything else?
[15:24] <barry> 5
[15:24] <barry> 4
[15:24] <statik> I have a question
[15:24] <barry> statik: go4it
[15:24] <statik> how many people are currently using the CodeReviewChecklist during a review?
[15:24] <statik> I have been slack about it
[15:24]  * sinzui does
[15:24] <statik> and I just noticed something on it that I forgot to check for, and I think my reviewer forgot to check for
[15:24] <statik> so I just want to advocate remembering to look at the checklist
[15:25] <mwhudson> i've not been using it
[15:25] <salgado> me neither
[15:25] <barry> sinzui, statik: good points.  i have been slack as well
[15:25] <statik> I might try to make a version that looks good when printed on a paper
[15:25] <barry> statik: good idea
[15:25] <intellectronica> i mostly used it. it helped every time i did, so i learned my lesson :)
[15:26] <sinzui> statik: salgado and I found some ambiguities in out page template documentation. We need to consolidate some pages.
[15:26] <statik> sinzui: agreed. it would be cool to do some cleanup of this in person
[15:26] <statik> that's it from me
[15:27] <barry> statik: thanks
[15:27] <barry> anything else on mentoring?
[15:27] <barry> 5
[15:27] <barry> 4
[15:27] <barry> 3
[15:27] <barry> 2
[15:27] <barry> 1
[15:27] <barry> two quick things not on the agenda (because i suck)
[15:28] <barry> 1. since the au folks changed their name to AsiaPac, i thought AMEU was more appropriate for us (and a bit catchier than EUAM).  any objections to our name change?
[15:28] <barry> 5
[15:28] <barry> 4
[15:28] <barry> 3
[15:28] <barry> 2
[15:28] <barry> 1
[15:28] <intellectronica> it's imperialistic
[15:28] <sinzui> The capitalization is wrong
[15:29] <barry> intellectronica: maybe we should go with LPA? (Launch Pad Atlantic) :)
[15:29] <intellectronica> :)
[15:30] <mwhudson> it can be pronounced amusingly, good enough for me
[15:30] <barry> well, if you all have better suggestions, email me :)
[15:31] <barry> 2. i just want to thank everyone for great work during hell week.  it was pretty stressful, but i think we did a great job in general as a team in getting things reviewed for .10
[15:31] <flacoste> cheers everyone
[15:31] <barry> that's it from me.  anything else?
[15:32] <barry> 5
[15:32] <barry> 4
[15:32] <mwhudson> i thought it went quite well
[15:32] <barry> 3
[15:32] <mwhudson> having more reviewers sure seems to help
[15:32] <barry> mwhudson: yes, most definitely
[15:32] <barry> btw, what's our current reviewer-to-developer ratio?  anyone know off hand?
[15:33] <statik> I think about 6 lbs
[15:33] <barry> statik: :)
[15:33] <statik> :) but I don't know really
[15:33] <flacoste> barry: we are 35 in LP
[15:33] <sinzui> 17:35
[15:33] <salgado> bigger than ever
[15:33] <barry> and 16 reviewers i think
[15:33] <flacoste> how many of the 17 are mentoree
[15:34] <sinzui> 5?
[15:34] <barry> (i'm not counting stuart)
[15:34] <barry> sinzui: i think that's right
[15:35] <barry> cool.  okay.   i'm done.  anything else?
[15:35] <barry> 5
[15:35] <barry> 4
[15:35] <barry> 3
[15:35] <barry> 2
[15:35] <barry> 1
[15:35] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[15:35] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:35] <mwhudson> thanks barry 
[15:36] <statik> thanks barry
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #156710 in launchpad "hwdb/+submit should generate and return a unique submission id" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156710
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #156719 in launchpad "Mention package name in bugmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156719
[17:52] <dantheman440> wow
[17:52] <dantheman440> long list of people here
[17:53] <Spads> only 110
[17:53] <dantheman440> lol
[18:00] <Odd_Bloke> dantheman440: If you want a long list of people, join #ubuntu. :p
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #156741 in launchpad "HWDB Submissions aren't marked as private when they should be" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156741
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #156744 in launchpad-cscvs "bogus repository root detection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156744
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #156746 in launchpad "[wish] Will be nice to have a gTalk like in Launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156746
[18:36] <al_> hey 
[18:37] <al_> exit
[18:37] <al_> hahah
[18:37] <al_> logout
[18:37] <al_> hahahahh
[18:43] <mdke> did anyone else get bounces from mrevell's email server today? is he aware of it?
[18:44] <salgado> mdke, yep, he seems to have sorted it out already
[18:44] <Hobbsee> looks like his stuff got sent to ubuntu-devel fine
[18:45] <mdke> Hobbsee: it was incoming mail I was talking about; mails sent to him by me
[18:45] <mdke> salgado: cool
[18:45] <Hobbsee> oh right
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #156759 in launchpad "Include IRC nick in sprint CSV output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156759
[19:09] <sistpoty> hi
[19:10] <sistpoty> Rinchen: thanks a lot for the PPA TOS update
[19:10] <Rinchen> sistpoty, you're welcome.
[19:10] <Rinchen> sistpoty, let me know if you find any problems with it
[19:11] <sistpoty> Rinchen: what's still unclear to me is who should be responsible for team maintained ppa's... will each member need to sign the TOS? or will each member be responsible for his/her uploads?
[19:11] <sistpoty> Rinchen: though I guess that would not necessarily be inside the TOS itself, but could be inside a FAQ or s.th.
[19:12] <Rinchen> sistpoty, The team vs individual aspect we realize is not as clear as it should be
[19:12] <Rinchen> sistpoty, We're going to work on that a little over the next cycle or two.
[19:12] <sistpoty> ok, cool :)
[19:13] <Rinchen> sistpoty, as for the PPA terms, note the modification of the wording: "This applies whether you are a team member or administrator or otherwise."
[19:13] <Rinchen> but it's still not quite the way we want it
[19:13] <sistpoty> yes, I've seen that, that's why I don't think it would need be in the TOS itself ;)
[19:15] <Rinchen> it's meant to cover the gaps until we can work on clarifying the team vs individual aspect.  
[19:15] <sistpoty> :)
[19:15] <Rinchen> :-)
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #156779 in launchpad "hwdb/+submit should provide a relevant error message when XML is invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156779
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #156793 in launchpad-answers "Blank title problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156793
[20:10] <ubotu> New bug: #156795 in launchpad "Shared locking in glock.py can't cope with unlink()s" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156795
[20:54] <seb128> does somebody know if it's possible to give open (like not restricted to the team members) write access to a team bzr branch?
[21:00] <ddaa> it's not possible
[21:00] <ddaa> what do you want to do?
[21:00] <ddaa> make a world-writable branch?
[21:07] <seb128> ddaa: yes
[21:08] <seb128> ddaa: I want to have the merges and updates desktop lists on bzr
[21:08] <seb128> ddaa: and let anybody claim an update
[21:09] <LeRoutier> Hello
[21:09] <LeRoutier> Is that possible that PPA is strictier than linda+lintian ? (wrt BuildDeps)
[21:10] <pochu> LeRoutier: is it in universe?
[21:11] <LeRoutier> yep
[21:11] <LeRoutier> Looks like it can't find a dep that is already in my PPA
[21:11] <pochu> in debian/control, use "Section: universe/foo"
[21:12] <LeRoutier> Oh, that.
[21:12] <LeRoutier> no, already added universe/ to sections
[21:13] <LeRoutier> https://edge.launchpad.net/~leroutier/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[21:13] <LeRoutier> aspecialy this log : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10124532/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.swfdec-mozilla_0.5.3-0.1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[21:38] <leroutier_> In PPA, about 'Pending (xxx)' message. Is lower better (higher priority) or worse (lower priority) ?
[21:42] <ddaa> seb128: i think the the simplest would be to make a public team
[21:42] <ddaa> that anybody can join
[21:47] <seb128> ddaa: ok, I'm going to abuse desktop-bugs then
[21:47] <ddaa> seb128: that sounds like it would involve receiving bugspam
[21:47] <ddaa> that might or might not be what you want
[21:48] <seb128> ddaa: no, we have a mailing list configured for the team which gets the mails
[21:48] <seb128> or nobody would subscribe, the amount of desktop bug mails is no fun ;-)
[22:12] <lamont> LeRoutier: build priorities are highest number first
[22:12] <lamont> if that's what you are asking about
[22:12] <LeRoutier> yep, was that. thanks
[22:13] <LeRoutier> should go to #ubuntu-motu to ask for a sponsored upload ?
[22:16] <lamont> to universe, yes
[22:16] <lamont> and probably for main too...
[22:16] <LeRoutier> k, thanks.
[22:17] <LeRoutier> PPA package removal has been postponed to 1.0.11 ?
[22:18] <LeRoutier> oh, I see older versions of packages are automatically removed
[22:18] <LeRoutier> that's good
[22:20]  * lamont is not lp team, just a user
[22:24] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a status update for launchpad calendar?  (ie, i saw that it was disabled, has it been re-enabled yet?)
[22:43] <mpt> tgm4883_laptop, it's been removed entirely
[22:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[22:43] <tgm4883_laptop> any plans on it coming back?
[22:44] <mpt> Not as far as I know
[22:44] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, good to know
[22:44] <mpt> Would having a calendar make Launchpad more useful for you?
[22:44] <tgm4883_laptop> at least being able to d/l it in ical would
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> somehow linking the milestones of a project to that calendar
[22:45] <mpt> ah, that's an interesting idea
[22:45] <mpt> We wouldn't need a full-blown calendar for that
[22:46] <mpt> Have you reported a bug about it? I can if you like
[22:46] <tgm4883_laptop> I haven't
[22:46] <tgm4883_laptop> if you could that would be great
[22:47] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it would be a good idea.  Currently, we would have to start a google calendar and input everything in there
[22:47] <tgm4883_laptop> and make sure that they stayed the same
[22:51] <mpt> done, bug 156857
[22:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156857 in launchpad "Make project's milestones/releases available in ical format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156857
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> awesome, thanks
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #156857 in launchpad "Make project's milestones/releases available in ical format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156857
[23:15] <LeRoutier> Anyone know a way to force debuild to include .orig.gz file into .changes ? (for upload)
[23:15] <Fujitsu> LeRoutier: debuild -S -sa
[23:15] <LeRoutier> thanks, trying it now
[23:16] <LeRoutier> works wonderfuly
[23:45] <LeRoutier> Are there PPA people around ?
[23:47] <LeRoutier> A source packet directly went to Published without the xen machines even trying to build them
[23:47] <LeRoutier> packet not even listed into build history
[23:51] <stdin> it should be published before it enters the build queue
[23:52] <stdin> it normally takes about 5-10 mins to enter the build queue for me
[23:57] <LeRoutier> ah, ok. So source package is marked published long before build starts
[23:57] <LeRoutier> Then, bug #156872 would be closed as invalid very fast
[23:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156872 in launchpad "PPA: packaged passing from uploaded to published without trying to build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156872