[04:00] <_MMA_> Too dark/scary? http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/winged_angel_ubuntustudio.png :)
[04:01] <_MMA_> (not final just a idea)
[12:58] <nothlit`alpha> _MMA_: i would stay away from that sort of imagery unless emo/goth/troubled artists are your main userbase
[13:23] <_MMA_> nothlit: Not "main" but part of. It says "rock" to me. And why do they have to be "troubled"? :)
[13:28] <kwwii> _MMA_: might be a bit too devilish for default but the style of it is really nice
[13:29] <kwwii> troy_s: can you give me larger versions of your gutsy wallpapers so that I can put them in the package?
[13:32] <kwwii> lassegul: which one of your springer pics would you like to include in the package?
[13:46] <nothlit> _MMA_: its a bit dark... bat wings, dark angel, skull, tortured pose, mockery of religious imagery
[13:47] <nothlit> fine for the rebel crowd but people who want may want to use uS professionally would be turned off imo
[13:47] <nothlit> lassegul: give him the dark background version! :D
[13:51] <_MMA_> nothlit: Thing is, the "pro crowd" I feel wont like our concept anyway. I'm not trying to put this in. Just a fun idea. ;)
[13:52] <nothlit> _MMA_: i don't know, if you give them something that makes them feel like a rebel without being too devilish :P
[14:03] <kwwii> _MMA_: I think that if the image itself was a bit "nicer" the style is perfect and it would work well
[14:04] <nothlit> regardless, while you don't ever have to aim for that crowd i wouldn't turn them off
[14:04] <nothlit> how much say does canonical have over your art direction?
[14:05] <_MMA_> F'em. I wanna be scary!! rrraawwww!!!!!
[14:06] <_MMA_> Canonical has 0 say in our art direction.
[14:07] <kwwii> :p
[14:07] <_MMA_> :D
[14:07] <kwwii> now you know why the kubuntu artwork is so much more fun for me
[14:07] <_MMA_> Yep.
[14:11] <kwwii> hey joe, where you going with that gun in your hand
[14:11] <_MMA_> lol.
[14:12] <_MMA_> (like he hasnt heard and I havnt said, that 100 times) :)
[14:12] <kwwii> wait till my son figures out why I named him joe :p
[14:13] <_MMA_> :D
[14:14] <_MMA_> kwwii: Because you like Joe Piscopo?
[14:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: Though this image is a little creepy it looks really cool on screen. :)
[14:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: lol, exactly
[14:26] <_MMA_> ;)
[14:41] <kwwii> _MMA_: are you still interested in that pic we talked about yesterday?
[14:42] <_MMA_> Totally.
[14:43] <kwwii> cool, I am going to head out and see what I can do
[14:43] <kwwii> bbl
[14:46] <_MMA_> Cool. :)
[14:59] <lassegul> hi people
[15:00]  * _MMA_ waves.
[15:02] <lassegul> kwwii: the dark version is the best imo. Can I send it to at 16:00 UTC? Connection trouble at home etc..
[15:02] <lassegul> kwwii: or do you need itnow?
[16:02]  * _MMA_ now realizes that not having a swap partition when exporting to bitmap large .SVGs was a bad idea.
[18:26] <mhb> kwwii: hmm, I am not happy to see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyIconTheme
[18:26] <mhb> Human had really a lot of potential ... it was the one thing I always liked about Ubuntu, when I started using it, the icon seemed so nice
[18:27] <mhb> (it was around Dapper I think)
[18:28] <mhb> stupid USA not giving me a visa ... now I cannot be there discussing it
[18:28] <mhb> :o(
[18:32] <kwwii> mhb: sorry for that, but we will be online as well
[18:33] <mhb> kwwii: right, I hope I can make it, its quite hard because of the time zone changes
[18:34] <nothlit> sabdfls in the classroom right now, anyone gonna ask him about artwork direction, whether he would hire a design firm and give them full creative control etc?
[18:36] <kwwii> nothlit: I don't see that happening
[18:38] <mhb> the original Human icons were creatd that way, werent they?
[18:38] <mhb> but I think if they have kwwii they wont hire a firm for the artwork
[18:38] <mhb> .o)
[18:39] <kwwii> they were created by one artist at a company
[18:39] <nothlit`alpha> the point is to ask as to make the issue more apparent rather than actually get it =p
[18:39] <kwwii> we are looking for artists
[18:39] <kwwii> nothlit: yes, but saying it like that sounds like I am doing a bad job :p
[18:39] <nothlit`alpha> IconFactory, same guys that do xp/vista/norton i think, etc
[18:42] <_MMA_> "kwwii: we are looking for artists" Arent we all? :) I just dont see any one or two people being able to step up and do it. :(
[18:52] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, finding a good artist is the hardest part
[18:52] <kwwii> but luckily we are also willing to pay someone when we find them
[18:52] <kwwii> but even then, finding someone to pay to work on linux is hard
[18:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: Thing is, finding someone and delivering the work to me in a 6 month period is a tall order.
[19:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: yepp, no doubt
[19:11] <darkmatter> burp!
[20:00] <kwwii> _MMA_: I am working on the pics I took today, any specific ideas or should I send you thumbnails first so that you can get an idea first?
[20:00] <_MMA_> Thumbs are cool.
[20:00] <_MMA_> Im up for anything. :)
[20:00] <kwwii> they look pretty cool in black and white, not sure about the color
[20:01] <kwwii> I went to two stores and took pics of two players...it was somewhat hard as they were all under counters, etc
[20:01] <_MMA_> Ahh....
[20:01] <kwwii> all in all I have 50 pics but many of them are very similar, only slight differences in angle, depth of field, etc
[20:02] <kwwii> and the store with the nice looking (and clean) player only let me put "the police - synchronicity" on it :p
[20:02] <_MMA_> Cool. I trust you to weed through them. Maybe thumb the ones you think are good and host them somewhere so I can peek.
[20:03] <_MMA_> Awesome. :)
[20:03] <_MMA_> kwwii: You should be in #ubuntu-classroom now.
[20:04] <_MMA_> Oh well. Might be over now.
[20:10] <kwwii> _MMA_: what did I miss in #ubuntu-classroom?
[20:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: Just a art question.
[20:16] <_MMA_> "QUESTION: not to be critical but speaking of default themes are there any thoughts or plans to do a really professional and attractive default theme - something to rival the "other" OSs?"
[20:17] <kwwii> hehe, like someone would answer "no, we want it to look crappy"
[20:18] <kwwii> man, scaling 50 pics down to 400x400 from 12MP takes quite a while
[20:20] <nothlit> are you using RAW as well?
[20:22] <_MMA_> Personally I do when I can.
[20:22] <kwwii> yepp
[20:23] <kwwii> I only use raw
[20:23] <_MMA_> Theres a nice Nautilus script that will resize pics.
[20:23] <_MMA_> I cant remember if it does RAW though.
[20:24] <kwwii> my camera is so new that nothing supports it raw format except proprietary apps
[20:24] <_MMA_> Really? RAW isnt Raw?
[20:24] <kwwii> I have bibble pro for linux but I still likke lightroom better :p
[20:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: nope, several companies (the ones with the best cameras) use a proprietary raw format
[20:25] <kwwii> sony, canon, nikon, fuji, etc
[20:25] <_MMA_> bah
[20:26] <kwwii> _MMA_: by the way, I talked to a friend of mine who owns a guitar shop. I thought about popping over there tomorrow and taking some pics
[20:26] <_MMA_> Ubuntu Studio just ships ufraw and gimp-ufraw. Should we do something like rawstudio instead?
[20:26] <_MMA_> kwwii: Awesome. Go for it. :)
[20:27] <nothlit> yeah raw is kinda proprietary, thats why each version of photoshop gets more/new raw support
[20:28] <kwwii> rawstudio looks pretty cool
[20:28] <kwwii> seems to support quite a bit of formats
[20:28] <_MMA_> Im just unsure of the best "free" way to support RAW.
[20:28] <kwwii> I have tried the ufraw gimp stuff, works pretty well I guess
[20:29] <_MMA_> Ok.
[20:29] <kwwii> gimp itself is simply not set up to edit photos as well as it could
[20:29] <kwwii> really, you need a special app only for photos
[20:29] <_MMA_> If I had Mark money... ;)
[20:30] <_MMA_> Oh! jcastro is on board for finding some rock club/bar in Boston. :)
[20:30] <kwwii> yeah, thursday night should be a lot of fun
[20:30] <kwwii> we can finally have that growling contest
[20:31] <_MMA_> Just hope Jono or I can find something cool.
[20:31] <_MMA_> lol \m/
[20:34] <kwwii> _MMA_: where should I send the pics to?
[20:34] <kwwii> wait, I'll put 'em on my server
[20:34] <_MMA_> k
[22:23] <lassegul> finally - i got online again. sending you springer dark now.
[22:29] <kwwii> lassegul: cool
[22:32] <kwwii> got it, thanks
[22:32] <lassegul> kwwii: is it sufficient?
[22:36] <kwwii> lassegul: definitely, I have also included borders3-1680x.png if it is ok for you
[22:37] <lassegul> goodie. thx
[22:38] <kwwii> ;-)
[22:38] <kwwii> thanks go to you
[23:08]  * _MMA_ paints a pentagram on the channels floor and tries to invoke the one who is terlmann.
[23:09] <lassegul> he hasnt been around lately?
[23:09] <_MMA_> Nope.
[23:09] <nothlit> probably not for a week or two
[23:09] <lassegul> only the legend lives on?
[23:09] <_MMA_> Thankfully.
[23:10] <lassegul> the great artist with the heart of gold, who acted as a muse for all his friends at #ubuntu-artwork
[23:10] <_MMA_> :p
[23:10] <lassegul> that how i will remember him
[23:12] <_MMA_> Anyone wanna come take a shower with me?
[23:12] <lassegul> nothlit was saying something about wanting to go
[23:12] <_MMA_> Going once..
[23:12] <_MMA_>  twice..
[23:12] <_MMA_> :)
[23:13]  * _MMA_ is feeling way too silly atm.
[23:13] <lassegul> im getting my internet connection back tomorrow :D
[23:14] <_MMA_> \m/
[23:15]  * _MMA_ -> shower/food.
[23:15] <lassegul> glhf