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| ubotu | New bug: #156630 in ubuntu-docs (main) "typo in "hardware" template" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156630 | 11:56 |
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| tuxcrafter | hello everybody | 13:50 |
| tuxcrafter | Is it possible to get a ubuntu wiki mentor? | 14:10 |
| seisen | Did you do all of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Mentoring | 14:18 |
| tuxcrafter | seisen: ah perfect | 14:30 |
| seisen | no problem | 14:31 |
| tuxcrafter | seisen: now I just have to wait until my latest HOW TO's are approved by a forum administrator. | 14:31 |
| seisen | what are they about?? | 14:31 |
| tuxcrafter | than i can create a wiki backed for them | 14:31 |
| tuxcrafter | seisen: pff a lot | 14:31 |
| tuxcrafter | lets see | 14:31 |
| seisen | you can create the wiki pages without anybody's approval | 14:32 |
| tuxcrafter | seisen: no point for me to make wiki without a full support background :-p | 14:32 |
| tuxcrafter | Install openchrome video drivers from cvs source | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Setting up xfce font rendering settings | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Setting up xorg monitor settings | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Installation of the SCR335 smartcard reader | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Installation of hellanzb nzb downloader | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Installation of lib-xine based multimedia codecs | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | Installation of vmware server | 14:33 |
| tuxcrafter | that are them for now I have a lot more but they are still in beta phase | 14:34 |
| tuxcrafter | this scripts has been tested and used in production for almost a year now | 14:34 |
| tuxcrafter | s/this/these/ | 14:34 |
| tuxcrafter | I also have a lot not so universal scripts but these are not published yet | 14:35 |
| tuxcrafter | therefor I could use the wiki backand | 14:35 |
| tuxcrafter | s/backand/backend/ | 14:36 |
| tuxcrafter | I also would like a mentor for ubuntu packaging | 14:36 |
| tuxcrafter | i got a awesome set of scripts for thunar file manager that have also been tested, i am preparing a complete support system for them | 14:37 |
| seisen | sounds to me like you have been a little busy | 14:37 |
| tuxcrafter | seisen: yes the last years has been busy indeed | 14:38 |
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| tuxcrafter | I think i am forgetting something but i want to remove all leading spaces until the first character, what am i forgetting? (tabs are next) | 15:55 |
| tuxcrafter | description=${description#* } | 15:56 |
| * tuxcrafter is losing it maybe the syntax is already correct | 15:57 | |
| tuxcrafter | description=${description#*$'\t'} | 15:57 |
| tuxcrafter | got dammit again the wrong channel | 15:59 |
| tuxcrafter | sorry guys | 16:00 |
| tuxcrafter | haha | 16:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: around? | 18:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) | 18:30 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I was just thinking of a way that might make the initial branching a bit easier for people. LP allows projects to have tarballs for downloads. We could tar up the .bzr and have LP host it. | 18:33 |
| mdke | LaserJock: might work yeah. I don't know much about bzr. The branching is going to be substantial given that each branch (as I understand it) is going to have the whole revision history for the repository in it... | 18:36 |
| mdke | I believe LP doesn't support shared repositories over branches | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | right | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | so if we had a tarball of the .bzr/ | 18:38 |
| LaserJock | even 1 per release | 18:38 |
| LaserJock | it's save people downloading the vast majority of history | 18:38 |
| mdke | how does that work? you download the .bzr then branch and it is fast? | 18:38 |
| mdke | alternatively, cant you just avoid downloading all the history? | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | yes | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | although for a lot of people the history might be nice as well | 18:39 |
| mdke | well, not much of it :) | 18:39 |
| mdke | it's handy to have around but probably the old svn history is not very helpful | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | all you do is tar -czf hardy_docs.tar.gz .bzr/ and there you go | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | then people download the tarball like any normal file | 18:40 |
| mdke | doesn't bzr compress already over the download? | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | some | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | but the killer is that you are downloading so many individual files | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | with this you just download one file | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | untar it, abd bam, you have the branch | 18:41 |
| mdke | alright, i suggest we do both then; recommend people to branch without the history and keep the history in a tarball for those who want it | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | *and | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | sure | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | but doing stuff in history I think is easier with bzr | 18:41 |
| mdke | btw just to clarify about the different branches, the idea is to have the common and generic documents in *every* branch, are you clear on that for the purposes of creating the edubuntu ones? | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | so we might find it useful more than the svn history | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | yep | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | basically I'm just going to make the branch how I package it | 18:42 |
| mdke | good. I'm going to try and do an xubuntu-hardy one now as an example | 18:42 |
| mdke | does the naming scheme work for you? | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | yep | 18:42 |
| mdke | ok | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | one question I had was if you're going to keep the whole history for xubuntu, etc. | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | we *could* make the derivative branches much smaller by starting fresh | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | if the ubuntu branch has the complete history then if we really needed it would could use that branch | 18:43 |
| mdke | how does one get rid of history? just by exporting and starting a new repository? | 18:44 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if it's useful to have 4 copies of the entire svn history | 18:44 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's what I would do | 18:44 |
| mdke | hmm | 18:44 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered what you thought of that | 18:44 |
| mdke | good question. I don;t know the right answer | 18:44 |
| LaserJock | given that we've never really "gone back in history" much | 18:45 |
| mdke | very true | 18:45 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if it's just wasteful to have multiple copies | 18:45 |
| LaserJock | we for sure should have at least one | 18:46 |
| mdke | perhaps we should just have a dump of the whole svn repo somewhere and start from scratch with all the new branches | 18:46 |
| mdke | I don't see why ubuntu should be heavy and the others not... :) | 18:47 |
| mdke | tbh, I dont' really mind what we do about this, I don't know | 18:47 |
| LaserJock | well, what we *could* do is have an ubuntu-archive branch | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | and then start fresh | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | for all | 18:48 |
| mdke | is LP clever enough to avoid me uploading all the history 20 times if I'm just creating branches from others already present? | 18:48 |
| mdke | if not it will take weeks to upload all these :) | 18:49 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so but I don't know for sure | 18:49 |
| LaserJock | to LP they are separate branches | 18:49 |
| mdke | mpt: got any views on all this? We could do with some advice from someone who uses bzr and knows Launchpad | 18:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock: problem with having an ubuntu-archive branch is that we'd need one for trunk, for gutsy, for feisty, for edgy etc because I don't think it's possible (or advisable) to import the whole svn repo to a single branch | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | true | 18:52 |
| mdke | I might ask lifeless, he's the man for this stuff | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | although, if we did just do the archvies as tarballs I wonder if that'd be ok | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: that'd be a good idea, before we go and spend a week pushing branches | 18:56 |
| LaserJock | for almost all activity I can think of we don't need the complete history around | 18:56 |
| dsas_ | I've just done a bzr branch on ubuntu-hardy and it appears bzr tries to download the branch as a tarball anyway | 19:16 |
| dsas_ | (when using bzr+ssh transport) | 19:16 |
| dsas_ | though my laptop just ran out of memory and died when attempting it. | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | lol | 19:18 |
| mdke | LaserJock: ok, getting solutions from #bzr | 19:39 |
| mdke | from our side, someone will help with the uploads of the branches to LP by doing it from somewhere close (i assume inside the DC) | 19:39 |
| mdke | for downloads, you can just download the revision history once with multiple branches by using a shared repository | 19:40 |
| mdke | i think that gets round the problems | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, great | 19:42 |
| nothlit | hey guys, i'm wondering what license everything in the wiki is under? | 19:56 |
| mdke | nothlit: the help wiki is under cc-by-sa (see the footer) | 19:57 |
| nothlit | mdke: is there a preferred method of attribution or would a commented link do? | 19:58 |
| mdke | good question, we should add that to the License page. I'm sure a commented link will work | 19:59 |
| mdke | ah, there is something about it on the page already :) | 19:59 |
| mdke | nothlit: see the page, does it answer your question? | 20:01 |
| nothlit | mdke: ahh ok, great | 20:03 |
| LaserJock | mdke: so are we doing a shared repository then? | 20:04 |
| mdke | LaserJock: I need to find out how it's done. then we can add it to the instructions for getting the branches | 20:05 |
| nothlit | mdke: those small footer links are a bit misleading next to the web badge, they look like generic company stuff rather than places to look wiki-relevant info | 20:05 |
| mdke | nothlit: I tend to agree | 20:06 |
| mpt | mdke, did you get answers to your Bazaar questions? | 21:06 |
| mpt | (bbiab, replacing battery) | 21:09 |
| mdke | mpt: yes, from #bzr. However there seems to be an issue with storing so much revision history on LP; it will take up a lot of disk space and so we're considering just splitting the branches for derivatives from hardy, leaving a single branch for the previous releases | 21:09 |
| mdke | gah | 21:09 |
| mpt | mdke, ok | 21:19 |
| mpt | Revision history can be useful to find out when a particular part was written/revised | 21:19 |
| mpt | and by whom | 21:19 |
| mpt | but I guess that needs to be weighed against download time | 21:20 |
| mdke | the issue seems to be more about server side disk space | 21:21 |
| mdke | users can download without history, right? | 21:21 |
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| * mdke tickles mpt | 21:33 | |
| mpt | mdke, sure, that's what lightweight checkouts are for | 22:21 |
| mdke | mpt: right | 22:24 |
| mdke | so the issue is more a question of space on the LP side | 22:24 |
| mpt | How big is the history in bzr format? | 22:24 |
| mpt | ubuntu-docs should be tiny in comparison with some projects Launchpad dreams of hosting :-) | 22:25 |
| mdke | something like 200MB (would be 16 branches) | 22:25 |
| mpt | wow | 22:25 |
| mpt | Why is that? Lots of images? | 22:25 |
| LaserJock | only 200MB? | 22:25 |
| mdke | I suspect the revision history is text only | 22:26 |
| LaserJock | I would have thought closer to >500MB at least | 22:26 |
| mdke | LaserJock: per branch? | 22:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 22:26 |
| LaserJock | maybe bzr is more efficient then I thought ;-) | 22:27 |
| mdke | the ubuntu-hardy branch is 220MB | 22:28 |
| mdke | actually proably the branches are with translations a lot bigger | 22:28 |
| mdke | but the ubuntu-hardy branch has all the revisions relevant to svn trunk | 22:29 |
| mdke | LaserJock: anyway, we have an edubuntu-hardy branch now so feel free to go and clean it up, remove whatever you don't want | 22:31 |
| LaserJock | mdke: awesome, thanks | 22:33 |
| mdke | probably for the other previous releases we won't have separate branches for derivatives, due to this space issue | 22:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 22:34 |
| LaserJock | we mostly just need to move forward :-) | 22:34 |
| mdke | when LP implements shared repositories, then we can do whatever we want | 22:34 |
| * tuxcrafter is broken, see you all over 8 hours | 23:24 | |
| tonyyarusso | I know the appropriate response is "So fix it", but until I magically find time I'd like to point out that https://help.ubuntu.com/ still lacks a 7.10 tab. | 23:26 |
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