| bicchi | I would like to know if the webcam works on the Samsung Q1 with Linux? | 04:06 |
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| mjg59 | No | 04:08 |
| bicchi | mjg59: Really I have been trying to configure it for the pass 2 hours. | 04:08 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:21 |
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| asac_ | Mithrandir: i have a request to update midbrowser .desktop file ... where should fixes go to now? do we have a ppa ... or just hardy? | 12:22 |
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| Mithrandir | asac: we have a ppa, but we don't have lpia buildds yet. You should be able to upload to the ppa | 12:25 |
| StevenK | I wonder if that's on the cards. | 12:25 |
| asac | Mithrandir: ok ... i will try | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: I have a ticket in for it. | 12:26 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: I prioritized that ticket, right? | 13:59 |
| mdz | yep, I did | 13:59 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: you did, yes. | 13:59 |
| mdz | status was updated yesterday, due date is next Wednesday | 14:01 |
| Mithrandir | ok, sounds fine to me. | 14:02 |
| dantalizing | morning all.... | 14:51 |
| dantalizing | so I'm perusing a linux format or linux pro or some magazine where they make mention of the ubuntu-mobile project, and along with the blurb is a pic of the n800 with an "ubuntu" screen...ie brown bg, top & bottom menu bars.... does UME work on n800s? I cant find any reference on the wiki other than maemo as a related project..... | 14:55 |
| mjg59 | Not currently, no | 14:58 |
| mjg59 | Ubuntu Mobile doesn't look like that, anyway :) | 14:58 |
| dantalizing | thats why i was confused | 14:58 |
| dantalizing | and i just found the faq...sorry..should have rtfm | 14:59 |
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| bspencer | Mithrandir: I'll be 10mins late to our meeting htis morning. FYI | 16:45 |
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| davidm | bspencer, Mithrandir will not be attending prior commitments, though he may catch a few minutes I"m not sure. | 16:59 |
| davidm | OK, we are about to start the Mobile community meeting | 17:01 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:01. The chair is davidm. | 17:01 |
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| davidm | Morning Don ood timing I've started the meeting. | 17:01 |
| davidm | s/ood/good/ | 17:02 |
| Don_Johnson | Good morning | 17:02 |
| davidm | bspencer, said he would be about 10 minutes late. | 17:02 |
| rustyl | morning | 17:03 |
| davidm | [TOPIC] Action items from last week | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action items from last week | 17:03 |
| davidm | good morning rustyl | 17:03 |
| davidm | Just starting the meeting. | 17:04 |
| davidm | Don_Johnson, who else are we expecting? Do you know? | 17:04 |
| Don_Johnson | I don't know who else to expect at this meeting. | 17:05 |
| davidm | With the day change it could be quite empty I think. | 17:05 |
| Don_Johnson | I thougth Kyle might want to grill me on USB Client. But so far he does not appear to be on | 17:05 |
| davidm | Well I'll lead off then. | 17:05 |
| smagoun | Don_Johnson: I can grill you in Kyle's place | 17:06 |
| kyleN | hi | 17:06 |
| Don_Johnson | I don't know much, but if you explain the problems I'll try to get answers | 17:06 |
| kyleN | smagoun: please go ahead if you like | 17:06 |
| davidm | Last week we had an action for Mithrandir which was: tfheen to get download area for proprietary builds set up. (carried forward): In progress: Waiting for IS to set up, got preempted by the 7.10 release. | 17:06 |
| * HappyCamp_laptop is here, I do the Moblin Image Creator | 17:06 | |
| HappyCamp_laptop | s/the// | 17:06 |
| davidm | We expect to have the download area in place by next Thursday if not EOD Wednesday. | 17:07 |
| kyleN | I am asking about the basic use case of plugging the MID into a PC and sharing files to the PC in order to back up the MID data | 17:07 |
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| kyleN | my question is whether the USB client work is expecting to accomplish this | 17:07 |
| davidm | kyleN, please add your question to the agenda at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20071024 | 17:08 |
| kyleN | one issue may be that incompatibility in file systems: ext3 on MID vs FAT on PC | 17:08 |
| kyleN | sorry, i though Don asked | 17:08 |
| Don_Johnson | kyleN, OK, I'll ask the developers | 17:08 |
| rustyl | Don_Johnson, unless something changed, all your guys were delivering were the gadget drivers | 17:08 |
| rustyl | which means you would be able to represent a mass storage device | 17:09 |
| Don_Johnson | The release notes talk about "Utilities" DHCP and Samba. So it sounds like something changed | 17:09 |
| Don_Johnson | davidm, Please give me an AR to follow up on USB Client utilities etc. | 17:10 |
| rustyl | i suspect that is talking about what happens on the host side | 17:10 |
| kyleN | perhaps the core and mobile teams can say whether they think the use case I describe is critical | 17:11 |
| davidm | [Action] Don_Johnson to follow up on USB Client utilities etc. | 17:11 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Don_Johnson to follow up on USB Client utilities etc. | 17:11 |
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| davidm | The next open action is: lool will look at the current issues with hildon-desktop this coming week. | 17:12 |
| davidm | lool, status? | 17:12 |
| lool | So I tried looking into the hildon-desktop issue which seems to be some bad interaction of the new hildon-desktop with the old themes/engines/configs we're using; I've updated hildon-theme-layout-4 and hildon-theme-plankton and started looking at all issues I get in .xsession-errors one by one | 17:12 |
| lool | The broken look of hildon-desktop does change, but it's still completely unusable; I also tried using plankton instead of umebasic (hence the update) to no luck | 17:12 |
| davidm | lool, what are your next steps? | 17:13 |
| lool | I'm currently stracing the thing and I'm learning a lot on how hildon-desktop works internally in the process, such as using the cached config in the home of the end-user and using a stamp file to detect its crashes and disable some config | 17:13 |
| lool | I'm currently trying to solve all warnings I get and the next ones on my list are why the engine can't find its pixmaps and then why there are some negative widget sizes allocations being logged | 17:14 |
| lool | I expect the images are the biggest problem with the display of hildon-desktop | 17:14 |
| davidm | OK, sounds like the action is to continue the prior action? | 17:15 |
| lool | So frankly, I don't feel like I've been making a lot of progress, and don't know how much time I'll need to solve the issues; yes, simply keeping the action as it is seems best | 17:15 |
| lool | Or rather rename to "Cursed action: ..." | 17:16 |
| davidm | [action] lool to continue looking at the current issues with hildon-desktop this coming week. | 17:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to continue looking at the current issues with hildon-desktop this coming week. | 17:16 |
| bspencer | lool: I'll try to provide some help | 17:16 |
| davidm | The next open action was: "Intel should verify the ubuntu branch works and suggest changes." | 17:16 |
| lool | bspencer: That's nice of you, thanks | 17:16 |
| bspencer | davidm: still an open action | 17:16 |
| davidm | OK | 17:16 |
| bspencer | we haven't done it yet | 17:17 |
| davidm | [action] Carry forward the action -> Intel should verify the ubuntu branch works and suggest changes. | 17:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Carry forward the action -> Intel should verify the ubuntu branch works and suggest changes. | 17:17 |
| davidm | The next open action was: "bspencer to resolve issue with hildon-desktop configuration files and separate packages" | 17:17 |
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| bspencer | lucasr suggested a configuration option that allows all plugins to be used | 17:18 |
| bspencer | and also suggested that for advanced placement we could implement a policy | 17:18 |
| bspencer | and associate the policy with the marquee | 17:19 |
| bspencer | he didn't bite at the idea of having a "plugins.d" subdirectory | 17:19 |
| lool | bspencer: (I think there's a commented out example on how to do this in the upstream default config; not sure whether there's also example code for the policy) | 17:19 |
| bspencer | so I will follow his advice and use the "accept all plugins" option, and investigate the policy idea further for the future | 17:19 |
| bspencer | lool: right. I recall seeing this now that it was mentioned | 17:19 |
| bspencer | davidm: along with the ubuntu-branch hildon-desktop review, I'll add this change | 17:20 |
| lool | bspencer: There seem to be some policies in hildon-desktop's policies/ | 17:21 |
| davidm | bspencer, any additional action items I should record? | 17:21 |
| bspencer | I don't like action items assigned to me... but I think the "ubuntu-branch" action I already have covers this ok. | 17:21 |
| bspencer | :) | 17:22 |
| davidm | OK | 17:22 |
| bspencer | lool: right. I've played with those a little (not too successfully) | 17:22 |
| bspencer | does anyone know if Hildon v2.0 was officially released? | 17:22 |
| bspencer | they seem to have started tagging, but there is on announcement about their progress. | 17:23 |
| bspencer | s/on/no | 17:23 |
| lool | bspencer: I /think/ it's part of OS2008 which should be launched with the N810 in november | 17:23 |
| bspencer | lool: ok. | 17:23 |
| davidm | Are we ready for the next open action? | 17:24 |
| bspencer | davidm: yes from my side. | 17:25 |
| davidm | The next open action was: "#davidm: Review test place at UDS | 17:25 |
| davidm | # | 17:25 |
| davidm | davidm, Review UI issues at UDS | 17:25 |
| davidm | # | 17:25 |
| davidm | davidm, further discussion of Application development and upstream at UDS" | 17:25 |
| davidm | which is really three items but they all relate so..... | 17:25 |
| davidm | We will have testing and UI issues as topics at UDS. | 17:26 |
| davidm | as well as conversations on Application development | 17:26 |
| smagoun | davidm: pat_mcgowan has a list of sessions we want to have | 17:27 |
| davidm | I've asked him for it but I don't as yet have it. | 17:28 |
| smagoun | ok, I'll ping him | 17:28 |
| davidm | can you give him a poke? Thanks. I'm going to commit the schedule in a couple of hours. | 17:28 |
| davidm | We can adjust it but I'd prefer get it as correct as possible the first time. | 17:29 |
| smagoun | ok. he's down the hall, we'll make sure he gets it to you today | 17:29 |
| davidm | Right now I have ~20 items to be scheduled | 17:29 |
| pat_mcgowan | davidm, hi | 17:30 |
| davidm | I'm hoping some of his are overlaps to mine. | 17:30 |
| davidm | Hi pat_mcgowan | 17:30 |
| davidm | We were just tlking about you :-) | 17:30 |
| pat_mcgowan | I have a list, and I am sure there will be much overlap | 17:30 |
| pat_mcgowan | I was planning to send it after the next meeting | 17:30 |
| davidm | Can you pop it into email to me? I'm going to commit the schedule today. Thanks | 17:30 |
| pat_mcgowan | will do | 17:31 |
| davidm | Perfect | 17:31 |
| davidm | [action] pat_mcgowan to send davidm scheduling list. | 17:31 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pat_mcgowan to send davidm scheduling list. | 17:31 |
| bspencer | uds schedule is on a wiki ? or how is it created? | 17:31 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to commit schedule for UDS by Thursday | 17:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to commit schedule for UDS by Thursday | 17:32 |
| davidm | OK, is that it for schedule so far? | 17:32 |
| bspencer | is there already a posted schedule, or is there nothing until this action item is done? | 17:32 |
| davidm | The next open action was: "davidm, look into what and and how to have status meetings" | 17:32 |
| pat_mcgowan | bspencer, it is on a wiki, but no mobile items scheduled yet | 17:33 |
| davidm | bspencer, noting until this is done, but I can send you a copy of the items later today. | 17:33 |
| davidm | s/noting/nothing/ | 17:33 |
| bspencer | I can wait ... just want to make sure I'm there at the right places/times | 17:33 |
| davidm | Since I'm new I'm working with someone who knows how to get things posted, and I've been holding off for rustyl's input | 17:34 |
| bspencer | ok. I'll ping him about it | 17:35 |
| davidm | On the next open issue, we will have IRC access at UDS so I will schedule time for this meeting in the agenda | 17:35 |
| davidm | As to the later phone call, I'm working on that one still | 17:35 |
| davidm | OK, as to the next open item we got a bit out of sequence earlier :-) but"Don_Johnson to investigate USB client issues." | 17:36 |
| kyleN | me bad ;) | 17:37 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to figure out issues around Intel call | 17:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to figure out issues around Intel call | 17:37 |
| Don_Johnson | I included the USB client release notes in this week's status report. | 17:37 |
| Don_Johnson | And now Kyle has more questions for me to follow up on. | 17:37 |
| davidm | kyleN, np, you'll find I'm a bulldog on stuff it will get done :-) I won't forget if it's on my status/wiki page. | 17:37 |
| davidm | Don_Johnson, any other action item besides the one already committed? | 17:38 |
| Don_Johnson | So next step is to follow up with USB C developers and get a complete description of what they are delivering. | 17:38 |
| Don_Johnson | No I don't think there are any additional action items relative to USB C | 17:39 |
| davidm | Good enough | 17:39 |
| davidm | kyleN, any thing else relating to this old action item? | 17:39 |
| kyleN | I'd like the core and mobile teams to chime in at some point re: what functionality they think a MID needs to be succesful | 17:40 |
| bspencer | kyleN: for USB in particular? | 17:40 |
| kyleN | s/succesful/successful | 17:40 |
| kyleN | yes. the basic use case(s) | 17:41 |
| bspencer | kyleN: thanks for the spelling correction :P | 17:41 |
| bspencer | kyleN: ok. I have some basic ones related to media syncing | 17:41 |
| bspencer | should email to you? | 17:41 |
| kyleN | bspencer: the list, if you please | 17:42 |
| bspencer | yep | 17:42 |
| bspencer | I just meant vs. updating a wiki directly | 17:42 |
| smagoun | wiki updates are only good if people know that the wiki was updated | 17:43 |
| davidm | Though it's handy if they subscribe to a page, then they get notices. | 17:43 |
| davidm | Ok are we ready for the next topic? | 17:43 |
| kyleN | I am | 17:43 |
| davidm | [topic] Current Items: Testing + running on an 800x480 screen (smagoun) | 17:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Current Items: Testing + running on an 800x480 screen (smagoun) | 17:44 |
| davidm | smagoun it's open to you.. | 17:44 |
| smagoun | we put a recent build onto a device with an 800x480 screen, and there was a lot of broken stuff | 17:44 |
| smagoun | Primarily it was things not fitting onscreen | 17:44 |
| bspencer | smagoun: home screen mainly? | 17:44 |
| smagoun | (dialogs, games, apps in the home plugin, etc) | 17:45 |
| Sciri | Mostly apps; dialog boxes taller than the screen. | 17:45 |
| Sciri | Wi-Fi config, control panels, etc. | 17:45 |
| bspencer | it has been a few weeks since we've worked at that resolution | 17:45 |
| smagoun | Since 800x480 is a supported resolution, people need to test their apps at that res | 17:45 |
| bspencer | I doubt if ToddBrandt (our control panel guy) has ever tried 800x480 | 17:45 |
| bspencer | :-\ | 17:45 |
| smagoun | bspencer: yes, that's the problem :) | 17:45 |
| bspencer | smagoun: agree | 17:45 |
| pat_mcgowan | I have seen 5-10 requests for proposals, and all have been at this resolution | 17:45 |
| bspencer | the devil himself. | 17:45 |
| bfiller | can we make ume-start-xephyr default to 800x480? | 17:46 |
| bspencer | ToddBrandt: we were just discussing how many things don't work on 800x480 | 17:46 |
| bspencer | bfiller: really? ... hm.. How about a cmd-line parameter? | 17:46 |
| Sciri | Or are there command line switches to launch ume-start-xephyr in different resolutions? | 17:46 |
| ToddBrandt | bspencer: I sure don't | 17:46 |
| bfiller | bspencer: cmd line would be good | 17:46 |
| smagoun | You can edit ume-xephyr-start to do the right thing | 17:46 |
| Sciri | bfiller/bspencer: Gary and I were just discussion adding command line resolutions to ume-xephyr-start. | 17:47 |
| smagoun | but a default would be better for us (not so good for people on q1s perhaps?) | 17:47 |
| bspencer | I'll update to accept a WxH input | 17:47 |
| bspencer | I can make the default 800x480 to shake people up | 17:47 |
| bspencer | (like myself) | 17:48 |
| smagoun | bspencer: thanks, that will be a bit help | 17:48 |
| kyleN | bspencer: +1 | 17:48 |
| ToddBrandt | bspencer: the screen resolution dialog supports 800x600 and 640x480, both of which aren't widescreen and don't look right on t6he samsung, I'll have to investigate how to add 800x480 | 17:48 |
| bspencer | ToddBrandt: does it have 1024x600 ? | 17:48 |
| Sciri | bspencer: That'd be outstanding. :) Force people to at least see it in 800x480 once before they start using the WxH parameter to go back to their favorite resolution. ;) | 17:48 |
| ToddBrandt | bspencer: yes, 1024x600 is the default | 17:48 |
| smagoun | ToddBrandt: I thought the screen res dialog crashed hildon desktop? | 17:48 |
| bspencer | smagoun: details :) | 17:49 |
| ToddBrandt | smagoun: It does and we removed it for aplpha as there were higher priority bugs, but I can fix that crash this week | 17:49 |
| smagoun | Do we really need it at all outside of Xephyr? I think it's unlikely MID users will want anything but the device's native resolution | 17:50 |
| bspencer | smagoun: not sure a single device will support both at this point | 17:50 |
| bspencer | and changing screen res isn't likely to change the Xephyr resolution | 17:51 |
| bspencer | (not sure about that...) | 17:51 |
| smagoun | right, therefore we don't need the applet at all...right? | 17:51 |
| pat_mcgowan | right | 17:51 |
| ToddBrandt | smagoun: some of the games might look better in a smaller resolution if they don't support 1024x600 | 17:51 |
| bspencer | I don't know. | 17:51 |
| ToddBrandt | just a thought | 17:51 |
| smagoun | ToddBrandt: good thought. The game should do that automatically. | 17:52 |
| Sciri | Shouldn't the game do that automatically though? Users aren't going to want to know how to switch resolutions. | 17:52 |
| Sciri | Oh...jynx... :) | 17:52 |
| bspencer | ok. we'll chat about it. Might be useful to find out why it is crashing | 17:53 |
| lool | (Some video players do this too (I think mplayer did this for a while when going to full screen); not sure it's a win though) | 17:53 |
| bspencer | if we have a good zooming capability (e.g in the browser or text readers) then it isn't needed I think | 17:54 |
| bspencer | but on a device like the Sony UX, I use it often when reading | 17:54 |
| bspencer | cause I can't see .01px font | 17:54 |
| davidm | need a better magnifying glass? ;-P | 17:55 |
| kyleN | again, maybe it's an app level capability | 17:55 |
| bspencer | it would be nice to have a system-level zoom feature (wish list) | 17:55 |
| davidm | five minute warning. I have another meeting to run to ..... | 17:56 |
| bspencer | davidm: we're done with this topic | 17:56 |
| davidm | K | 17:56 |
| davidm | In that case I added a quick question if there were any UDS attendance changes to topic additions. | 17:57 |
| davidm | [topic] UDS UDS attendance changes or UDS topic additions | 17:58 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS UDS attendance changes or UDS topic additions | 17:58 |
| davidm | If there are none then I can close the meeting. | 17:58 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | where is the list of UME topics for UDS? | 17:58 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I will be there along with bspencer | 17:58 |
| bspencer | davidm: Intel: Bob is there Mon-Thu. I don't know if rusty is coming. JohnV will be there Sun-Thu. | 17:58 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I am JohnV | 17:59 |
| davidm | I can mail a copy of the UDS topics, they will be posted I hope today. | 17:59 |
| pat_mcgowan | davidm, I sent you my list | 17:59 |
| davidm | I was holding for input from Rusty | 17:59 |
| davidm | pat_mcgowan, thanks | 18:00 |
| davidm | I'll merge the lists and get them moving along into the queue. And I'll post them to the mailing list. | 18:00 |
| davidm | Any last items? | 18:00 |
| rustyl | i'm trying to do the multiple meetings at once thing... as for UDS, i don't have an answer if i will be able to attend yet | 18:00 |
| davidm | rustyl, OK, I'll rearrange things as needed if possible if you can attend. | 18:01 |
| davidm | If thats it I'll close the meeting. | 18:01 |
| davidm | Going once? | 18:01 |
| davidm | Twice? | 18:02 |
| lool | Thanks | 18:02 |
| davidm | Gone | 18:02 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:02. | 18:02 |
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