[01:10] <ferric84> Can I be tested?
[01:10] <ubotu> guru called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:11] <LjL> ferric84: sure
[01:12] <nalioth> bar the gates, fellows
[01:12] <nalioth> trouble on the way
[01:13] <LjL> ferric84: you can join, thank you
[01:13] <ferric84> sweet
[01:13] <ferric84> thanks
[01:14] <AndrewB> nalioth: Did you call?
[01:15] <LjL2> nalioth: are they in the channel already?
[01:15] <nalioth> AndrewB: try not to sleep with your crown on
[01:15] <nalioth> LjL2: i'm just letting you know
[01:15] <LjL2> [02:15:19] --> neozen has joined this channel (n=neozen@c-67-176-151-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net).
[01:15] <LjL2> i have this guy on highlight
[01:15] <LjL2> but hadn't seen him for some time i think
[01:15] <nalioth> i think they are intent on other channels, but just letting you guys know
[01:16] <LjL2> ok
[01:16] <LjL2> i have a clone joined with +C
[01:16] <LjL2> so at least i should be able to set +r without being blocked by the ctcps
[01:16] <nalioth> LjL2: is not identified
[01:17] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:17] <LjL2> nalioth: no, as i'm out of registered nicknames... i'm +o anyway
[01:17] <AndrewB> here we go
[01:18] <Dave2> AndrewB, not sure how +m would change anything
[01:18] <nalioth> told you
[01:19] <thedefender> funny
[01:19] <AndrewB> Dave2: its me being crazy, I thought it hid quit spam
[01:19] <LjL2> uhm my +C didn't quite work
[01:19] <AndrewB> thedefender ?
[01:19] <Dave2> LjL2, there is no channel CTCP blocking mode in hyperion, if that's what you were after
[01:20] <Dave2> oh, wait, I misread.
[01:20] <LjL2> Dave2: i was pretty sure there was though...
[01:21] <Dave2> there's umode +C, not cmode +C. I misread what you were saying.
[01:21] <Dave2> tiredness--
[01:24] <LjL-Temp> nalioth, you can talk to the other clone, i see it :P
[01:25] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: do not +m the channel
[01:25] <nalioth> for longer than it takes to handle the problem
[01:25] <AndrewB> heh it went -m anyway so I devoiced me
[01:26] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: +R can be worse
[01:26] <tomaw> it really can't
[01:26] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: users can _CHANGE_ their +r/+R status
[01:26] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: they can't do squat about +m
[01:26] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: if they manage to notice my link to the instructions
[01:27] <LjL-Temp> nalioth, after an attack, most of what people say is related to the attack itself, including "what the fuck just happened?!??!?" to more balanced, but still useless, comments
[01:27] <LjL-Temp> +m helps weed that out.
[01:27] <LjL-Temp> i don't want the attackers to see that people are talking about them.
[01:27] <nalioth> the attackers are joyfully laughing their asses off that THEY'VE CLOSED A CHANNEL
[01:28] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: they haven't closed anything as long as i keep relaying the messages
[01:28] <tomaw> you relayed a message from one of them :)
[01:28] <elkbuntu> they're going to laugh their arses off regardless
[01:28] <LjL-Temp> tomaw: i.e.?
[01:28] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: lollypop/lollipop
[01:29] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: uhm, lollypop's message was asked to me in a PM
[01:31] <nalioth> he's still a troll (if not the one pulling the strings)
[01:37] <LjL2> -r
[01:38] <AndrewB> LjL2: is your connection ok?
[01:39] <LjL2> yes AndrewB, i'm just killing off my unsuccessful attempts to have clones with +C set now
[02:15] <mneptok> zomg! perfect!
[02:15] <mneptok> "What's it like be an #ubuntu* op?"
[02:15] <LjL> PM?
[02:15] <mneptok> "A lot like this - http://pizdaus.com/pics/Z8vZbmL4Ibng.jpg "
[02:16] <LjL> hah
[02:16] <LjL> mneptok: sorry, i'm going to topic that in offtopic.
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: are we the ones in the car or the guys on the side though?
[02:17] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: when you can answer that, grasshopper, your training is complete."
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> teehee
[02:17] <mneptok> 21:14 <+mneptok> tonyyarusso: when you can answer that, grasshopper, your training is complete."
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> haha
[03:17] <mneptok> calling out, in transit. calling out, in transit.
[03:17] <jdong> 10-4, landing bays armed
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> Incoming meteor, 30% chance of penguins.
[03:18] <jdong> 211, I need blue squad to scramble the BSD mascots
[03:18] <mneptok> you know what it smells like?
[03:18] <mneptok> ............... victory.
[03:19] <mneptok> some day this war's gonna end ...
[03:19]  * mneptok walks away
[03:21] <mneptok> 
[03:21] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5eXFeW0aI0
[03:26] <nalioth> there is a program that you can use as a sort of 'software kvm'.  does anyone know the name of it?
[03:26]  * nalioth just had his hardware KVM croak.
[03:27] <stupidgirl> :D
[03:27] <stupidgirl> hai2u jeetz
[03:27] <nalioth> hi stupidgirl can we help you with something?
[03:28] <stupidgirl> i would liek to make a complaint about an op\
[03:28] <nalioth> please do so  :)
[03:29] <JanC> nalioth: you mean 'synergy' ?
[03:29] <nalioth> thank you JanC 
[03:29] <JanC> it does only K & M though
[03:30] <gnomefreak> whats a good easy to use editor other than nano that has very few depends?
[03:31] <JanC> you mean console-based?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:31] <stupidgirl> vi
[03:31] <gnomefreak> like gedit but less depends
[03:31] <JanC> I use 'joe'  :)
[03:31] <gnomefreak> stupidgirl: the word easy i think you missed ;)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: pico?
[03:32] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, ee or aee
[03:32] <stupidgirl> hehe well stupid noob like me can use it im sure you can if u read a little :D
[03:32] <gnomefreak> ty ill see what kind of depends they have (this is for chroot and dont want all those gnome kde depends
[03:32] <JanC> because joe has the shortcuts I still have in my fingers from the turbo pascal days  :)
[03:32] <JanC> gnomefreak: it should be a GUI editor?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> JanC: i would like the menus on it but really anything for simple text docs to edit
[03:33] <nalioth> gnomefreak: aee
[03:33] <mneptok> gnomefreak: "easy to use" is ne
[03:34] <mneptok> gnomefreak: *every* user can grok ne instantly
[03:34] <nalioth> gnomefreak: pico is just a closed source version of nano (nano descended from or cloned it)
[03:34] <gnomefreak> pico wont be in hardy repos
[03:34] <nalioth> gnomefreak: aee
[03:34] <JanC> if you need a GUI there are e.g. SciTE & mousepad
[03:34] <gnomefreak> However the following packages replace it: nano
[03:35] <nalioth> stupidgirl: you had some complaints?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> stupidgirl: hint:  when wanting to make a complaint, it's helpful if you actually write about your complaint, rather than wasting our time.
[03:35] <JanC> for ncurses I would suggest joe  :)
[03:35] <mneptok> gnomefreak: ne - Nice Editor, an easy-to-use and powerful editor
[03:35] <Hobbsee> else, you'll just get ignored.
[03:35] <gnomefreak> ty i think i have enough to try for morning
[03:35] <jdong> gnomefreak: have you tried jed before (CLI)
[03:35] <jdong> gnomefreak: it's a light editor that does highlighting / code-folding, and can emulate the UI of like every other editor out htere
[03:35] <gnomefreak> nope dont think i ever did
[03:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: I use it on my 486/33MHz textmode floppy Linux setup :)
[03:36]  * gnomefreak sick of nano
[03:36] <mneptok> gnomefreak: install ne, launch it, press <esc>. thank me later. :)
[03:37] <gnomefreak> mneptok: im installing them all and will play with them
[03:37] <mneptok> NO TEXT FILE IS SAFE!
[03:37] <mneptok> :)
[03:37] <gnomefreak> can i launch it without a file?>
[03:37] <mneptok> and .... she earns her nick
[03:37] <mneptok> yup
[03:38] <mneptok> ne<enter>
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[03:38] <gnomefreak> oh sweet
[03:38] <mneptok> :)
[03:38] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i used to use nano all the time, but now i love my aee
[03:39] <nalioth> aee has a gui version xae, too
[03:39]  * mneptok did the OSX port of ne in another life
[03:39] <nalioth> niiiiiii!
[03:40] <JanC> mneptok: it doesn't understand the difference between the tab character and indent, or is that a configuration issue?
[03:40] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package xae
[03:40] <gnomefreak> feisty nor hardy have it in repos it seems
[03:41] <nalioth> gnomefreak: 'aee'
[03:41] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[03:41] <nalioth> gnomefreak: xae is just the gui way to call aee
[03:42] <gnomefreak> ph cool
[03:42] <gnomefreak> oh*
[03:42] <gnomefreak> is that ncurses?
[03:42] <mneptok> JanC: ~/.ne
[03:43] <mneptok> JanC: by default the ident spacing = 1 <tab>
[03:43] <JanC> mneptok: I mean, does it know the difference between indent width & tab-width,  :)
[03:44] <mneptok> JanC: configurable in ~/.ne
[03:44] <JanC> (I like coding in Python, so this is really important  ;-) )
[03:45] <mneptok> JanC: http://ne.dsi.unimi.it/docs/ne_5.html#SEC173
[03:46] <JanC> hm, they have docs in "info" instead of man pages...
[03:46] <mneptok> there should be manpages, too
[03:46] <JanC> yeah, it's about 30 lines long  ;-)
[03:47] <JanC> and points to the info pages
[03:47] <mneptok> yup
[03:47] <mneptok> :/
[03:49] <elkbuntu> she hasnt figured she got dc'd yet?
[03:49] <JanC> she?
[03:50] <elkbuntu> stupid*girl*
[03:50] <elkbuntu> alternatively, g0dd3ss
[03:50] <JanC> it's a nickname
[03:50] <elkbuntu> strikes me as feminine
[03:51] <mneptok> i'm the screen, the blinding light. i'm the screen, i work at night!
[03:51] <elkbuntu> if said person is inclined to use feminine nicks, i will be at least respectful enough to trust they are representative if not of biology then at least of psyche
[03:51] <elkbuntu> now that's just disturbing
[03:51]  * mnepette bats eyelashes at elkbuntu 
[03:51] <JanC> I try not to judge people from their nickname  :)
[03:52] <elkbuntu> JanC, i find that referring to everyone as a he is only furthering the straight white american male persona of the internet, or referring to everyone as an it
[03:53] <elkbuntu> err.. or referring to everyone as an it so as to avoid *any* mistakes, as being a bit excessive
[03:54] <JanC> that's why I use he/she most of the time, if I'm not sure  ;)
[03:54] <mneptok> elkbuntu: that's why, every year, i look you in the eyes, collect my breath, and whisper gently, and in earnest, "nice tits, Mel."
[03:56] <JanC> I gues this was meant as a joke...
[03:56] <elkbuntu> it is mneptok, afterall
[03:57] <JanC> mneptok: please behave  ;)
[03:57] <mneptok> i love you, too, hon :)
[03:57] <mneptok> *muah*
[03:59]  * elkbuntu whacks mneptok over the head with an umbrella
[03:59] <mneptok> YOU BENT MY HALO!
[03:59] <mneptok> *pout*
[04:00] <elkbuntu> ha!
[04:00] <jdong> is THAT what you kids call it nowadays?
[04:00] <mneptok> jdong: easier to type than "buttplug"
[04:00] <jdong> LOL
[04:00] <JanC> you have a hard disk-based head-decoration ?
[04:01] <jdong> JanC: The ladies love my perpendicular recording
[04:01] <mneptok> "disk based head" is the reason for 90% of all Internet traffic
[04:01] <JanC> I was talking about RMS's favourite headwear  :)
[04:02] <mneptok> grease?
[04:02] <mneptok> *bah dum tish*
[04:02] <JanC> on top of that  :P
[04:02] <jdong> hahaha
[04:02]  * jdong should visit RMS some day
[04:03] <JanC> well, I don't have any problems with him, except his talks get boring after you saw them a couple of times...
[04:05]  * jdong has dreams that RMS would see him holding his macbook, walking to class
[04:06] <jdong> I sometimes pass by where his office is supposed to be....
[04:06] <JanC> OTOH, reportedly, he likes Belgian beers, so he must be a nice guy  :)
[04:06] <jdong> and markedly perspire when my laptop wasn't booted to Ubuntu :)
[04:07] <JanC> jdong: RMS uses gnewsense, which is an Ubuntu derivative  :)
[04:07]  * gnomefreak needs to get back to hospital sometime after i get this done  :(
[04:07] <jdong> JanC: I... I use fglrx, and ipw3945d, and sun-java6, and ... you can see why he would have a problem with me :)
[04:07] <JanC> gnomefreak: what's wrong?
[04:08] <JanC> jdong: well, you could at least test the free alternatives  ;)
[04:08] <gnomefreak> a very very good friend got into a car accident and she is really banged up and she wants me there 
[04:08] <gnomefreak> i spent better part of today there
[04:08] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and get dressed
[04:08] <jdong> JanC: I will be more than thrilled to use a FOSS alternative when it can perform the tasks I need it to
[04:09] <JanC> so, get the fuck back there and don't bother about us  ;-)
[04:09] <jdong> lol
[04:09] <JanC> that was directed to gnomefreak 
[04:10] <JanC> well, Java 7 should be open source
[04:10] <JanC> jdong: ^^^
[04:10] <jdong> JanC: indeed it is, and I am switching over to it, along with our Azureus stack :)
[04:11] <JanC> gutsy has IcedTea packages
[04:11] <JanC> but I don't know how good they are
[04:11] <nalioth> anyone got a good howto for synergy?
[04:11] <jdong> JanC: quite good in fact
[04:11] <jdong> JanC: as good, if not faster, than java6 and Universe capable :)
[04:11] <JanC> nalioth: sorry, never used it
[04:13] <JanC> jdong: but AFAIK some parts are missing still?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> JanC: i cant go back yet im in the middle of something but will be in ~ 1 hour
[04:14] <jdong> JanC: yeah, the sun.* namespace throws nongpl warnings if you try to import it
[04:14] <gnomefreak> nalioth: i thought i saw one the other day
[04:14] <gnomefreak> checking
[04:14] <gnomefreak> use icedtea ;)
[04:15]  * gnomefreak thinking about trying it
[04:15] <gnomefreak> nalioth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto
[04:15] <gnomefreak> not sure how good it is but its ubuntu wiki cant be too bad
[04:16] <nalioth> gnomefreak: thanky, i just got it figured out (with the help of 9 differernt howtos)
[04:17] <JanC> lol
[04:20] <gnomefreak> ah seems we are gonna be using icedtea instead of sun-java#-*
[04:20]  * gnomefreak wonders what the chances are of getting it in main (or installed by default
[04:21] <jdong> gnomefreak: a beta java stack? :-/
[04:21] <jdong> gnomefreak: I sure hope so, though
[04:21] <nalioth> well, i guess the hardware kvm going out was a good thing
[04:21]  * nalioth learnt about synergy
[04:21] <gnomefreak> jdong: beta and fully GPL'ed ;)
[04:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: like launchpad!
[04:22] <jdong> oh wait.
[04:22] <gnomefreak> parts of LP are free
[04:26] <JanC> LP is as free as SourceForge I guess ;)
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ok gone for night see you sometime tomorrow 
[04:28] <JanC> my dream is to create a personal distributed issue tracking / code revision system / etc. that knows how to interact with "upstream" etc. etc.  ;)
[04:37] <elkbuntu> nalioth, i could send you my crappy little kvm, it's ok so long as you dont need to use the shift key :Þ
[04:38] <elkbuntu> err, not shift key, ctrl key
[04:38] <elkbuntu> it's not supposed to do anything with the ctrl key, but randomly, it will instigate switching... very annoying
[04:45] <JanC> I have an USB-k/m-switch  :)
[04:46] <JanC> which works quite fine
[04:47] <JanC> actually, it can switch any USB device
[04:47] <JanC> including printers, scanners, USB disks, etc.
[04:50] <nalioth> elkbuntu: thanky, ma'am, but my kvm used the double-ctrl-tap method of switching (i'm on an Apple keyboard, and of course the setup is different)
[04:51] <JanC> eh, sounds like a crappy UI for a hardware device  :)
[04:54] <nalioth> JanC: it's the Windows key for windoze (l)users
[04:54] <nalioth> but now i've got synergy running
[04:55] <nalioth> i just have to get out of the doubld-ctrl-tap habit
[04:58] <JanC> what I mean: I'm sure I often accidentally tap the Ctrl or Win key twice in a row  ;)
[05:04] <nalioth> JanC: if you used this kvm for a while, you would get out of the habit
[05:06] <JanC> I would never use it voluntarily  :)
[05:08] <nalioth> well, back when i bought it, synergy wasn't available
[05:50] <elkbuntu> nalioth, this isnt a double control tap one, it's a scroll scroll esc one... but ctrl still catches it quite randomly. sometimes every time ctrl is tapped, sometimes it wont do it for 10 taps
[05:50] <elkbuntu> i got it for free because the previous owner got fed up with it
[05:51] <nalioth> elkbuntu: try synergy.  i'm kinda liking it
[05:52] <elkbuntu> thought it didnt do V though
[07:43] <ubotu> [chr0n0s] called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:10] <elkbuntu_> who the heck keeps eating my connection?!
[08:13] <Tm_T> elkbuntu_: me
[08:13] <elkbuntu_> meanie :(
[08:13] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: I just like your attention
[08:14] <elkbuntu> i'm starting to suspect the adsl filter/splitter is not filtering right
[08:17] <Tm_T> feels like King Crimson - Book Of Saturday
[08:19] <jussi01> elkbuntu: you have kontiki :P :P :P ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontiki )
[08:25] <elkbuntu> gyaaaaahhhhhhrgh
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: marooouughlfpwx?
[08:41] <elkbuntu> dont make me say it out loud, it will jinx me
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> s/say/type/; s/out loud/in channel where idlers are removed/  :P
[09:05] <ubotu> desertc called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:34] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, you heard of The Chaser's War on Everything? it's an aussie show
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: nope, can't say I have
[09:35] <elkbuntu> ah... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pltgk3Y0Omw&NR=1 ... you still might enjoy this
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: mmmmmmmm, I smell some states where people complained about paying taxes for education!
[09:49] <elkbuntu> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=McB9tsabPn0 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs3SfNANtig and http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GclCE0cLA-o are also hilarious
[09:54] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Now I want your TV...
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I'd like to add to the American vs Arab tourist segment that I have flown, on a commercial jet aircraft, into the US from another country, without any customs official, security guard, etc. so much as asking my name, much less checking my passport.
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> Driven too
[09:58] <elkbuntu> heh, not surprising since you're ginger and hence as white as one can get ;)
[10:00] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/ is the show's website
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: sorry, you lost me - ginger?
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> ahaha, now I want a security guard costume...
[10:09] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, ginger=redhead
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> ah
[11:41] <PriceChild> lol - ginger
[11:41] <Gary> where?
[11:42] <PriceChild> Gary, convo earlier in my backlog
[11:42] <Gary> ahhh
[11:42] <Gary> thought we were dissing Seveas again :-)
[11:43] <tonyyarusso> rofl......
[11:43] <tonyyarusso> Note to self: Not only do you have to untar the drupal module, but you actually have to upload it too!
[11:44] <Gary> yeah, that helps a lot you know
[11:44] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, hehe
[11:45] <tonyyarusso> I kept refreshing my admin page wondering why it wasn't showing up
[12:20] <PriceChild> I msg'd Andre_Gondim about his application for ubuntu-irc :/
[12:21]  * tonyyarusso hasn't seen this tidbit yet
[12:22] <Pici> Who is that?
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> Pici: YOUR FATHER
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> Or, you know, just some random user.
[12:24] <Pici> tonyyarusso: Noooo! /falls through cloud city
[12:24] <Pici> oh.
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> teehee
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> oh god - I gotta find that youtube thing again
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> Pici: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZBevXohCI
[12:26] <gnomefreak> is there a GTk app simular to amarok?
[12:26] <Pici> Exaile keeps saying they're trying to be 'the' gtk Amarok
[12:26] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: other than exaile, or rhythmbox?
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: exaile
[12:27] <PriceChild> listen?
[12:27] <Myrtti> they're really helpful at #exaile
[12:27] <gnomefreak> listen was broke last i heard.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> when im done with updates ill install exaile see what its like. im not found of rhythmbox
[12:28] <Myrtti> /me runs bzr update always before launching exaile
[12:28] <Myrtti> <3
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: banshee is worth a look too
[12:28] <Myrtti> I just love it
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: theres a bzr branch for it?
[12:29] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:29] <Myrtti> they've got the whole project on launchpad
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: does it have embedded tarball?
[12:29] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[12:29] <Myrtti> I'm just the Finnish translator ;-)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: did you need a orig.tar to build it?
[12:30] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: it's python
[12:30] <Myrtti> I just run it
[12:31] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:38] <gnomefreak> SiroSoriS is really looking to be removed but wait for it IMHO the link he gave was for NWO murdering innocent civilains
[12:58] <Myrtti> Tm_T: the tor node issue is still pending
[12:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ?
[12:59] <Myrtti> apparently it's somewhat ambiguous
[12:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: mainly kicking and soon banning because has nothing to do with our channel
[13:00] <Myrtti> oh
[13:00] <Tm_T> 1454 -!-  channels : #fedora-meeting #zftalk #kvm #debian-es #gentoo-chat #phpbb #ubuntuforums #wikipedia-de #ubuntu-fi
[13:00] <Myrtti> funny feller
[13:00] <Tm_T> find any pattern? I dont, except quite random channels
[13:00] <Tm_T> whatever his purpose is, it aint good I tell ya
[13:09] <tonyyarusso> Well, you never know, he could be running four different linux distros and speak as many languages, I guess
[13:09] <Gary> yeah :p
[13:10] <Seeker`> one distro in each langugae
[13:12] <tonyyarusso> No - Fedora and Gentoo in English, and Ubuntu in English and Finnish, with Debian in Spanish only
[13:12] <tonyyarusso> slightly odder
[13:29] <nrpil> hi people, how do i get a channel into the irc logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ ?
[14:00] <PriceChild> Hey nrpil.
[14:00] <PriceChild> ubuntulog used to be looked after by fabbionne but I think that's changed recently.
[14:01] <PriceChild> nrpil, what channel by the way?
[14:12] <PriceChild> (Found out how we request the bot now)
[14:12] <elkbuntu> share the wealth?
[14:13] <Pici> Hows that?
[14:13] <Pici> contact the person who is in the bot's /whois ?
[14:13] <PriceChild> mailto:rt@ubuntu.com
[14:13] <PriceChild> Hehe that's the one.
[14:14] <elkbuntu> btw, i'm getting the feeling we're having bot seepage.. but my bot senses could be off
[14:14] <PriceChild> "in a pinch, drop by #canonical-sysadmin, but RT is preferred"
[14:15] <Pici> elkbuntu: seepage?
[14:15] <elkbuntu> Pici, gradual joining of a bot net
[14:15] <PriceChild> Pici, botnet making their way in slowly
[14:15] <Pici> Ahh....
[14:15] <elkbuntu> there's an increase in joins, several guests from the same ip, and lots of nicks and idents matching
[14:15] <LjL> when, now?
[14:15] <Pici> hmm..
[14:15] <elkbuntu> over the past few mins, yes
[14:16] <Pici> on #ubuntu, or just in general?
[14:16] <LjL> this time i want my stupid umode +C to work
[14:17] <elkbuntu> Pici, #ubuntu
[14:17] <elkbuntu> as soon as calc loads, i'll sort the hostmasks
[14:17] <LjL> calc?
[14:17] <elkbuntu> oo.o
[14:18] <LjL> you find clones with a spreadsheet? :o)
[14:18] <jrib> how?
[14:18] <LjL> i assume by sorting...
[14:18] <LjL> still, that's not right :P
[14:18] <PriceChild> * livingdaylight (n=livingda@77-101-174-180.cable.ubr06.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #ubuntu
[14:19] <Pici> hes not a bot
[14:19] <PriceChild> I know.
[14:19] <PriceChild> He is definitely not a bot.
[14:19] <elkbuntu> LjL, it's the quickest way i know, also good for spotting clones :Þ
[14:19] <jrib> but you still have to extract the hostmask
[14:19] <Gary> I thought he was okay?  or has he gone bad?
[14:19] <LjL> elkbuntu, gee, at least use "sort" from cli if anything :P
[14:19] <PriceChild> Gary, always been bad
[14:20] <elkbuntu> LjL, harder to glance
[14:25] <Pici> If I was better at doing cli mysql selects, I'd have something quick too.
[14:25] <LjL> no matter how i do it, i'd have to find a way to sanely copy and paste /names first :)
[14:52] <Pricey> My router just cycled....
[14:52] <Pricey> and obviously clears its logs of why.
[14:53] <LjL> Pricey: is it a Trusted Router?
[14:53] <Pricey> "trusted"? trusted by me?
[14:54] <LjL> Pricey: trusted as in Trusted Computing
[14:54] <LjL> so, no, a router that doesn't trust *you* :P
[14:54] <LjL> like in soviet russia
[14:54] <Pricey> haha ok I'm with you :)
[14:54] <Pricey> Don't think so :P
[14:56] <Pricey> hmmm where can I get String::Interpolate from...
[14:57] <LjL> Pricey: cpan?
[14:57] <Pricey> mhmm
[14:57] <Pricey> hmm do i already have it
[14:58] <nrpil> the channel is i'm talking about is #ubuntu-vdr
[14:58] <Pricey> think i do.
[14:59] <Pricey> nrpil, what is that channel?
[14:59] <Pricey> The logbot is almost exclusively for official channels.
[14:59] <LjL> nrpil, i think i muted you from #ubuntu-classroom yesterday because you spurted some weird non-ascii characters into the channel
[15:00] <nrpil> LjL: ow, sorry about that
[15:00] <LjL> nrpil: just wanted to make sure it was unintended
[15:01] <nrpil> LjL: are there people doing that on purpose ?
[15:02] <LjL> nrpil: in -classroom, these days not many, but generally speaking, yeah
[15:02] <Pricey> nrpil, what is the purpose of -vdr?
[15:02] <nrpil> LjL: uncool
[15:02] <mc44> shouldn't there be something about open week in #ubuntu's topic, incidentaly? :)
[15:03] <nrpil> Pricey: talking about vdr stuff in ubuntu
[15:03] <Pricey> vdr?
[15:04] <nrpil> kind of mythtv but more dvb based
[15:04] <LjL> mc44: seems low profile = less trouble :)
[15:05] <Pricey> I think it'd be best you guys organised your own logbot for now seen as it appears to be small, and is not an official channel.
[15:05] <mc44> LjL: that's not the attitude! :P
[15:05] <Pricey> *wonders where he can find Array/Utils.pm*
[15:05] <nrpil> Pricey: oke, i'm a bit of a irc newbie
[15:06]  * LjL hands Pricey some apt-file
[15:06] <Pricey> LjL, not working
[15:07] <nrpil> Pricey: Array-Utils ?
[15:07] <Pricey> Don't think its standard.
[15:08] <nrpil> as in packaged with perl ?
[15:08] <Pricey> I wish, but n#ot that I can see.
[15:08] <nrpil> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=Array-Utils&mode=all
[15:12] <Pricey> Wahey many thanks nrpil.
[15:22] <Pricey> Why does this have to be so difficult? :)
[15:43] <PriceChild> Sorted out Andre_Gondim's application to ubuntu-irc.
[15:43] <PriceChild> *looks through other applicants*
[15:44] <PriceChild> Hehe I recognise a couple of faces 8-)
[15:46] <Seeker`> who should/needs to apply to ubuntu-irc?
[15:46] <PriceChild> We get a lot of loco people applying
[15:46] <elkbuntu> well, g'nite
[15:46] <PriceChild> random ubuntu members
[15:46] <PriceChild> sleep well elkbuntu.
[15:46] <Pici> elkbuntu: goodnight :)
[15:47] <Seeker`> night
[15:48] <Pici> I never applied.
[15:55] <popey> PriceChild: you doing classroom duty?
[15:56] <PriceChild> I'll fight you for it.
[15:56] <popey> haha
[15:56] <PriceChild> :)
[15:56] <popey> \/\/inner
[15:56] <PriceChild> looser takes all :)
[15:56] <popey> :)
[15:56] <PriceChild> *loser
[15:56] <popey> I have a man here fixing my aerial
[15:56] <popey> (not a euphamism)
[15:56] <PriceChild> *resists*
[15:56] <Gary> PriceChild, I applied for the ubuntu-irc group too :'(
[15:56] <PriceChild> Gary, you have... but you disappeared.
[15:56] <Gary> did I?
[15:56] <Pici> yes.
[15:56] <Gary> where?
[15:56] <PriceChild> Gary, and pic.i got access to #ubuntu and approved :O
[15:57] <Gary> damn work :'(
[15:57] <Gary> gets in the way
[15:57] <PriceChild> pfft who needs it
[15:57] <Gary> well, my mortgage does
[15:57] <PriceChild> @now
[15:57] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 24 2007, 14:57:44 - Next meeting: Edubuntu Team in 5 hours 2 minutes
[15:57] <PriceChild> Gary, pfft
[15:58] <Gary> I'm just in the middle of a bit of a busy time, what with setting up the IT stuff for two offices
[15:59] <Gary> and living away from home in a hotel
[17:00] <Mez> who's taking the classroom for mark ?
[17:00] <Pici> Everyone! At the same time!
[17:00] <PriceChild> I told jono i'd be fine to start it
[17:00] <Mez> (not volunteering - at work)
[17:01] <Mez> PriceChild, I dunno, think it MIGHT be wise to +m it
[17:01] <PriceChild> Mez, hehe... i was checking +z earlier
[17:01] <Pici> (me too)
[17:01] <Mez> yeah, +zm ?
[17:02] <Mez> ask sabdfl what he thinks?
[17:02] <Mez> I'll ask
[17:04] <Mez> PriceChild, you know what to do I'm sure
[17:04] <PriceChild> don't do +z
[17:05] <nalioth> +z can be distracting if you're not used to it
[17:05] <nalioth> zooom zoooom zooom
[17:07] <Seeker`> what does z do?
[17:07] <PriceChild> lets ops see quiet'ed people
[17:07] <PriceChild> !modes
[17:07] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[17:17] <nalioth> Seeker`: how many times have we sent that URL to you?  why don't you have it aliased yet?  :P
[17:18] <Seeker`> i'm doing other stuff, so its quicker to ask :P
[17:23] <PriceChild> lazy
[17:24] <jdong> PriceChild: it's saving time, not lazy...
[17:25] <Myrtti> good questions at -classroom
[17:25] <Myrtti> my mom plays Aisleriot
[17:25] <Myrtti> though I had to tweak the .desktop to launch only Klondike
[17:47] <nalioth> watching the -classroom, and i find i'm a 2nd class citizen again . . :(
[17:48] <nalioth> PPA only works for x86 and amd64  :(
[17:48] <mc44> I think they burned all their ppc machines when they stopped supporting it ;)
[17:50] <jdong> it's because Xen doesn't support ppc as a host or guest
[18:24] <Myrtti> now that question is strange. I thought Kubuntu and Ubuntu are the same distro?
[18:24] <Pici> Myrtti: They are.  It is a very weird question.
[18:25] <Myrtti> and now that question reminds me of gnunet
[18:29] <PriceChild> might be getting a botnet in a minute
[18:29] <PriceChild> see #defocus and #freenode
[18:30] <nalioth> this is most interesting.
[18:31] <nalioth> anyone use galeon?
[18:32] <Pici> nalioth: no, why?
[18:33] <nalioth> it's got some really restrictive settings
[18:33] <nalioth> i'm 3/4 image free in my browsing, but firefox / opera / kazehakase / epiphany show all images
[18:38]  * Pici hides
[18:41] <ompaul> Pici, you can hide but can you run>?
[18:45] <PriceChild> Hey jcastro, so you want a cloak? Could you give me a link to your launchpad page please.
[18:45] <PriceChild> jcastro, then have you got two nicks, linked together with an email set?
[18:45] <jcastro> PriceChild: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jorge
[18:46] <jcastro> PriceChild: I just have one nick. Confused if you're asking me if I have two, or telling me that I need two, heh.
[18:46] <PriceChild> gah I know who you are.... silly me :)
[18:46] <PriceChild> jcastro, yes, you need to register two nicknames on freenode, and get nickserv to link them together.
[18:47] <jcastro> ok, is there a wiki page or something on how to do that?
[18:47] <Pici> !register
[18:47] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[18:47] <Pici> jcastro: I think theres stuff in there about it
[18:47] <PriceChild> basically...
[18:47] <PriceChild> /nick newnick
[18:47] <PriceChild> /msg nickserv register <new_pass>
[18:48] <PriceChild> /msg nickserv link jcastro <jcastro's pass>
[18:48] <PriceChild> /msg nickserv set email foo@bar.com
[18:48] <jcastro> ah, I see, cool
[18:48] <nalioth>  /msg klineserv sic'em! get PriceChild! go! go! go!
[18:49] <PriceChild> * klineserv :No such nick/channel
[18:49] <nalioth> it works for me  :0
[18:50] <jdong> well aren't we special :)
[18:50] <nalioth> PriceChild is a dirty rotten spammer
[18:51] <jussi01> wow, Ive never seen PriceChild accused of that before
[18:51] <jussi01> lol
[18:51] <jussi01> I want that nick :P
[18:52] <jdong> troll!
[18:52]  * jdong ducks
[18:52] <ffsihateirc> ok, I think I got it
[18:53]  * mneptok fidgets
[18:53] <mneptok> jcastro: do you want an Ubuntu or Canonical cloak?
[18:53] <jcastro> mneptok: ubuntu would be perfect
[18:54]  * mneptok stares at PriceChild 
[18:54] <PriceChild> mneptok, i'm waiting for him to be finished! :)
[18:54] <mneptok> WAIT FASTER!
[18:55] <PriceChild> mneptok, and i might not be​ talking to nalioth anymore after above so he may not be getting a cloak anytime soon.
[18:55]  * mneptok feels the love
[18:57] <PriceChild> jcastro, how's it going?
[19:00] <jcastro> the bot seemed to take the right things, I should disconnect and rejoin I take it?
[19:01] <PriceChild> Nope no need...
[19:01] <PriceChild> but you haven't changed nicks at all?
[19:01] <PriceChild> did you use a second connection to register the second nick?
[19:01] <jcastro> no, just the temp thing I followed in the freenode instructions
[19:01] <jcastro> yep
[19:01] <PriceChild> right ok :)
[19:01] <PriceChild> nalioth, cloak for jcastro please :)
[19:01] <nalioth> PriceChild: already done
[19:01] <PriceChild> hehe
[19:01] <jcastro> thanks for your help, I'm irc-stupid.
[19:02] <PriceChild> *Adds to LP*
[19:02] <jcastro> on top of normal stupid. :p
[19:02] <PriceChild> jcastro, All done :)
[19:03] <jcastro> <3, thanks dude
[19:03] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you're around?
[19:03] <PriceChild> "ish"
[19:03] <nalioth> Hobbsee: of course he's around (abusing me with his spam)
[19:04] <jdong> PriceChild: what kind of schrodinger response is that?
[19:04] <PriceChild> Not around enoguh for more than a glance over -classroom occasionally.
[19:04] <PriceChild> jdong, schrodinger?
[19:04] <PriceChild> eeek I need to eat...
[19:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[19:05] <jcastro> thanks for the help guys, cheers!
[19:08] <jussi01> are we going to regulate #ubuntu-classroom this session?
[19:08] <nalioth> where is popey?
[19:09] <PriceChild> popey has gone to his kids i think
[19:09] <nalioth> guess that'd be up to seb128
[19:09] <nalioth> anyone asked him ?
[19:15] <jussi01> Is there any help needed? 
[19:15] <nalioth> jussi01: you are it
[19:15] <jussi01> PriceChild: I can do it if needed this session, its a bit crazy. 
[19:15] <jussi01> nalioth: can you op me then?
[19:16] <jussi01> nalioth: +m isnt it?
[19:16] <nalioth> jussi01: if you deem it necessary, yes
[19:16] <PriceChild> doubt +m is needed.... :/
[19:16] <PriceChild> with quieter talks like this its sometimes nice if they can give quick clarifications etc.
[19:17] <nalioth> but it's always good to direct them to -classroom-chat, too
[19:17] <nalioth> before it becomes chaotic
[19:23] <nalioth> and the bots are back again
[20:06] <nalioth> jussi01: you gonna moderate for dholbach?
[20:07] <jussi01> nalioth: no. i just had an issu with my connection. sorry
[20:07] <nalioth> just wondering, jussi01 
[20:07] <jussi01> nalioth: cool. 
[20:23] <juliux> hi all
[20:23] <juliux> does somebody knows if there is a statement from the cc about irc logs? 
[20:26] <PriceChild> juliux, What do you mean? Statement about what?
[20:27] <juliux> PriceChild, about the fact that we have the locobot;)
[20:27] <PriceChild> still not understanding what you want to know :)
[20:27] <juliux> i tryed to find something in the wiki why we have the locobot and why all the ubuntu channels are logged
[20:27] <PriceChild> Ah
[20:28] <PriceChild> They don't have to be logged.
[20:28] <PriceChild> The channel owners decide.
[20:28] <PriceChild> s/owners/contacts/
[20:28] <PriceChild> A LoCo team could decide they didn't want the logging bot I'm sure.
[20:29] <juliux> ah ok
[20:29] <juliux> that changed over the years,)
[20:29] <juliux> at the begining the locobot was a have to in the support channels
[20:29] <PriceChild> juliux, at the end of the day... the contact could just ban the bot
[20:29] <juliux> i know;)
[20:29] <PriceChild> Sorry lost you there.
[20:30] <juliux> PriceChild, i thought there were a cc decision about irc logging
[20:30] <PriceChild> I'm not at all aware of one, maybe before my time.
[20:31] <juliux> PriceChild, when you started with ubuntu?
[20:31] <juliux> or what is befor your time?
[20:31] <PriceChild> yeah
[20:31] <juliux> for me is befor my time begining of 2005;)
[20:31] <PriceChild> I don't remember a decision being made about loco channels having to log whilst i've been involved.
[20:32] <juliux> we have the locobot since 06/2005
[20:33] <PriceChild> Maybe this guy knows more.
[20:39] <nalioth> logging is up the loco group
[20:41] <juliux> nalioth, do you know since when?
[20:42] <nalioth> since there were loco groups
[20:42] <juliux> hmm
[20:43] <PriceChild> juliux, did anyone suggest otherwise? Or did you just think you remembered it being so?
[20:43] <nalioth> we have nothing to hide, why not log the channels for those of us who can't be here 24/7 ourselves?
[20:43] <juliux> PriceChild, that is how i rember it, i had 2005 a long long discussion with smurf about irc logs;)
[20:44] <juliux> nalioth, i have no problems with logging irc channels;)
[20:44] <nalioth> juliux: for regular irc channels, logs can be an issue
[20:58] <ompaul> mneptok, ping vis that point that was raised by the source
[21:13] <mneptok> ompaul: pongongong
[21:14] <ompaul> mneptok, ahh pm for a little resolution
 ready to serve, master
[21:15] <PriceChild> ???
[21:16] <jdong> PriceChild: stupidgirl's nocturnal companion?
[21:16] <PriceChild> That's what I guessed originally...
[21:16] <jdong> hmm I just saw the double entendre...
[21:16] <jdong> well that's awfully distrcting from math
[21:16] <PriceChild> jdong, ?
[21:19] <jdong> PriceChild: nocturnal companion.
[21:19] <PriceChild> ah
[21:23] <jdong> You know your math professor is old when: He talks about meeting Gibbs
[21:26] <mneptok> The BeeGees?
[21:27] <jdong> mneptok: no, the guy who invented Gibbs Free Energy
[21:27] <jdong> a topic taught in high school chem classes nowadays
[21:27] <mneptok> Andy Gibb?
[21:29] <jdong> mneptok: Josiah Willard Gibbs
[21:29] <jdong> 1839-1903
[21:29] <jdong> O_O
[21:31] <mneptok> uh. your prof met him?
[21:31] <ompaul> there are later famous Gibbs
[21:31] <ompaul> in math
[21:32] <jdong> ompaul: I'm pretty sure that's the Gibbs he was refering to
[21:32] <jdong> ompaul: "greatest American scientist" he called him
[21:32] <jdong> he's around the correct age
[21:32] <jdong> he can forgot a sentence he said 2 minutes ago
[21:32] <jdong> and is STILL better at math than I'll ever ever be
[21:33] <ompaul> ehh 1903 and it is now 2007 do the math :)
[21:33] <jdong> ompaul: I know, I was surprised too
[21:33] <jdong> ompaul: he's probably 10 years younger than that by visual estimate
[21:34] <jdong> the wikipedia article on my professor doesn't have a birthdate
[21:34] <jdong> maybe he's making it up, which he definitely deserves to do for his greatness
[21:34] <ompaul> a prof who remembers meeting gibbs who died over a hundred years ago 
[21:35] <ompaul> show me your profs wikipedia page
[21:35] <jdong> ompaul: "Alar Toomre"
[21:40] <ompaul> jdong, this is the one I think he is referring to Dr. Richard Gibbs
[21:41] <jdong> ompaul: the... the one who composed the soundtrack for Dr Doolittle?
[21:41] <jdong> or am I thinking of a different one?
[21:42] <ompaul> jdong, former chair of the US math academy iirc
[21:42] <jdong> ompaul: ooh that makes sense
[21:43] <Seeker`> One of my lecturers maintains C soudn
[21:43] <Seeker`> *CSound
[21:43] <jdong> Seeker`: I'm TA'ing for one of Hal Abelson's pet classes
[21:43] <jdong> Seeker`: coolest guy ever
[21:44] <Seeker`> cool
[23:05] <nalioth> anybody know how ubotu works? i need a bit of assistance with mangling ubot3s innards
[23:05] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: depends what you need...I started learning, but am no expert
[23:06] <nalioth> i need to update his innards to answer with 'gutsy' answers
[23:06] <LjL> ubot3: search searchorder
[23:06] <ubot3> Found: 
[23:06] <LjL> ubot3: config search searchorder
[23:07] <ubot3> LjL: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:07] <LjL> or some variable name like that
[23:07] <nalioth> right, LjL, don't think it
[23:07] <nalioth> there is something i have to do locally (like make gutsy and feisty folders, and populate them with a sources.list and suchlike)
[23:08] <LjL> nalioth: supybot.plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[23:08] <LjL> nalioth: yes, it's explained in README.txt from the Encyclopedia/ directory
[23:08]  * tonyyarusso lets LjL take this one
[23:10] <nalioth> ah
[23:22] <Pici> jajaja
[23:31] <nalioth> anyone know what file "supybot.plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder" is in?
[23:31] <tonyyarusso> probably the config I'd imagine
[23:32] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: ah, yes.
[23:32] <nalioth> which one, please?
[23:33] <tonyyarusso> erm, not sure (haven't re-installed supybot since my gutsy upgrade yet)
[23:33] <stdin> the one you created for the bot
[23:33] <stdin> if you created it with the wizard it's usually <name-of-bot>.conf
[23:34] <mneptok>  /supybot/bin/$BOTNAME.conf
[23:35] <nalioth> mneptok: BUUUUZZZ
[23:35] <nalioth> mneptok: this is not a normal supybot, this has been manipulated by seveas
[23:36] <Seveas> nalioth, plugins/Encyclopedia/config.py defines it, yourbotname.conf (aka the registry) stores its value
[23:37] <Pici> nalioth: And you cant modify the config file while the bot is running, it rewrites the values at some point.
[23:38] <nalioth> ok, got it updated
[23:46] <mneptok> Seveas: oy
[23:52] <Poul|Raider> Anyone who could be so kind to unban me on #ubuntu ?
[23:53] <nalioth> Poul|Raider: how did you get banned in the first place?
[23:54] <Poul|Raider> a few days i told someone to get a life after he kicked me 2 times from #ubuntu because of useing "fucked" in a non agressive tone :(
[23:54] <Poul|Raider> ago
[23:54] <PriceChild> Sounds familiar...
[23:54] <Pici> indeed
[23:54] <Pici> %btlogin
[23:55] <rob> Poul|Raider, there is very little tolerance for swearing and those kinds of things on #ubuntu as it is a very busy support channel with a wide and sometimes young audience
[23:56] <Poul|Raider> ye i learned my lession.
[23:56] <rob> regardless of your intended tone I'm afraid, and the intent of your tone does not translate very well over irc either
[23:56] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[23:56] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:56] <PriceChild> I suggest you read that page Poul|Raider.
[23:56] <rob> irc is a very emotionless communications medium
[23:56] <PriceChild> Poul|Raider, you were offtopic, using foul language, and insulted a user of the channel who just happenned to turn out to be an operator.
[23:57] <Poul|Raider> ye PriceChild, and it dont say anything about getting unbanned again :)
[23:57] <mneptok> Poul|Raider: this may seem really picky and small, but multiply the problem by like 4397256365 and you realize it's (sadly) necessary. it's not personal.
[23:57] <PriceChild> Poul|Raider, no, but it says a lot about the guidelines in our channels, what is acceptable, and what isn't.
[23:58] <Poul|Raider> after you kicked me 2 times i properly knew you was a operator but, was it needed to kick me instead of answer my question about why i was kicked in the first place?
[23:58] <rob> you didn't realise the first time you were kicked? :)
[23:59] <Poul|Raider> my english aint that good, so i asked of a term to use instead where you kicked me again.
[23:59] <adminn> hi Rob; first time I was kicked?
[23:59] <rob> adminn, sorry not directed at you
[23:59] <PriceChild> adminn, different conversation.
[23:59] <adminn> ook
[23:59] <adminn> im still banned in #ubuntu why?
[23:59] <PriceChild> Poul|Raider, You were given several "warnings" before the ban.... I mean really how bad does your english have to be before you realise you're doing soemthing wrong?
[23:59] <Poul|Raider> anyway, PriceChild, say i learned my lession - could i get unbanned again?
[23:59] <PriceChild> adminn, give me a second.
[23:59] <Pici> adminn: Do you know why you were banned?
[23:59] <adminn> sorry
[23:59] <adminn> yes