=== chuck is now known as zul [00:43] mmkay [00:43] i managed to lock myself out of my own server [00:43] accidently removed my user from the sudoers group [00:44] do you have physical access to your server? [00:45] nevermind, i had an admin account :) [00:58] Can't boot Gutsy with my LVM system any longer. Was told -server might be a better place to ask. [01:03] Hello. Is there a known issue about samba's slow performance under ubuntu 7.04? [01:05] Hello. I need to get an SMTP server going on my Ubuntu server so my forum can send out emails (like topic replys). Receiving emails back would be nice, but is not necessary. How do I do this? [01:06] zylstra555, you should already have a smtp server set up [01:06] Znuff: How do I find out its settings and information? [01:07] zylstra555, can't remember exactly what is the default smtp server on ubuntu, but I'm guessing it's either exim or postfix. [01:07] zylstra555, so either /etc/exim or /etc/postfix [01:07] hmm [01:07] I will see [01:09] Znuff: No MTA is installed by default, but Postfix is the preferred MTA in Ubuntu. [01:09] In the strange event that I just removed Postfix since I thought it was incorrectly installed (long story) what do I do? [01:09] ScottK, on the server install there's no mta by default? [01:09] That's correct. [01:09] zylstra555, just reinstall it [01:10] ScottK: How do you find the MTA settings? [01:10] For postfix, the settings are in /etc/postfix [01:11] I'm really annoyed. I can't get passed 40Mbit/sec on my samba [01:11] While I am waiting: I have an older hard drive in my computer, and this, obviously, concerns me a little bit. Is it a bad thing if a hard drive stays on all the time? [01:14] Not really. Now old? [01:15] I am not sure. If it helps: Its (please dont laugh) a 3GB hard disk drive [01:15] I'd replace it. [01:15] Somewheres around 1994-1997 [01:15] Most hard drives have a 5 year design life. [01:15] some old drives (smaller capacities) are actually safer than new ones to keep on all the time because of the low bit densities [01:15] You're well past that. [01:15] Goody [01:16] anyone know a cli app to torture test [01:27] [01:29] Anyone here using debmirror and gutsy? I can't seem to get it to pull down any packages. [01:31] Still cant send emails. I was using the server "localhost" and the user "server" [01:31] (my main account) [01:31] and I have tried with and without password [01:31] Is that PHP? [01:33] I have tried using the PHP mail option, that did not work either [01:33] Shall I try it again? [01:35] Does it make a difference that right now, I dont have a proper domain name? [01:38] zylstra555, it shouldn't [01:38] Do you get any error when sending an email with php's mail() function? [01:39] Not in my web browser [01:51] zylstra555, turn on display_errors [01:51] How do I do that? [01:52] zylstra555, php.ini [01:52] (sorry for the delay, I had a severe foot cramp) [01:53] Where is the php.ini file? [01:54] (can you tell I dont know what I am doing? :) ) [01:56] probably in /etc/php/apache2/php.ini [01:57] Display_errors = on already [02:09] Anyone alive? [02:10] !ask [02:10] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [02:11] :p I'm having a hard time loading Ubuntu 7.1.0 64 bit Server to load [02:12] How do I get to terminal from nearly the beginning? [02:12] like right after I put in the CD? [02:12] its 7.10 btw :) [02:13] you have to start the installer first i thik (i havent used the 7.10 install images) [02:14] well I get to the splash screen [02:14] but can't seem to go further [02:15] so I was wanting to drop into terminal and see if I could load some newer drivers and so forth [02:16] if the install cd has a 'advanced' or 'edit boot' option, turn off the splash screen. find out whts breaking [02:16] * kgoetz mutters about splash on servers === infinity2 is now known as infinity [03:16] how do I get the original /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf that came with snmpd ? [03:17] osmosis: it is probably in a doc path [03:17] look at the files in the package [03:21] Burgundavia: i dont see it there. [03:24] how do I get the original /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf back? Do i need to dpkg-reconfigure snmp? or? [03:25] download the package again? [03:26] that generally doesn't help [03:26] kgoetz: already tried that. [03:26] purging & reinstalling the package would, or with something like dpkg -i --force-confoverwrite (can't recall the exact option) [03:27] i'd "just" extract the file i want myself. if theres a better way i'm open to hear it [03:27] ah, you could remove /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf & use dpkg -i --force-confmiss, if you really needed to [03:29] dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/ /tmp/snmp && cp /tmp/snmp/etc/snmp/snmpd.conf ~ [03:29] urgh [03:29] lol. [03:33] --force-confmiss or missconf [03:33] confmiss i think [04:03] How do I get packages from the CD boot terminal? [04:06] Anyone around with admin privs to the server-team ML' [04:06] jrsutton: I'm not sure what you mean. [04:07] Here is my pickle. I've booted from the CD, and can get to the splash screen [04:07] after that I start having problems [04:07] OK. [04:07] Get the alternate CD and use that. [04:07] well that sorta works [04:08] but not exactly [04:08] OK. [04:08] I have software raid setup [04:08] I'd focus on that. You need the alternate for that anyway. [04:08] IIRC [04:08] with existant data [04:08] right, so I got the alternate CD [04:08] and I can drop into terminal [04:08] Linux software raid or Windows software rai? [04:09] rai/raid [04:09] well NVIDIA raid [04:09] was going to use dmraid [04:09] I don't know if that's supported or not in the kernel. [04:09] * ScottK doesn't have it. [04:09] but from the CD terminal I cannot figure out how download it and install it [04:10] cd terminal, meaning prior to installing Ubuntu [04:11] I'm pretty sure that's not going to work, but that's not an area I'm an expert in. [04:12] This channel is much more active during the US/European business day. [04:12] It is possible to install something while running the liveCD right? [04:12] aside from it not really saving anything [04:12] Yes, but the alternate isn't a live CD. [04:13] It's the standard Debian Installer [04:13] right, just thought/hoped the terminal portion would work the same way [04:13] so if the liveCD would work I could install dmraid [04:13] in theory [04:14] I don't know. [04:14] Hi. I installed the mail-server task on a gutsy install, and I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix, and I don't think this command is working: dpkg-statoverride --force --update --add root sasl 755 /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd [04:15] What happens [04:15] I get an error (which the doc says I should until I restart saslauthd), but I don't see any change even after starting saslauthd [04:16] I also don't see 250-AUTH when I test it out. [04:16] * ScottK looks at the docs [04:16] Thanks, ScottK :) [04:17] I'd expect that after the dpkg-statoverride command and restarting saslauthd, I'd see a /var/spool/postfix/var directory, which I don't. [04:17] First, do you have /var/run/saslauthd? [04:18] yes [04:18] OK. [04:18] What I'd recommend is take Postfix out of the chroot and get it working without chroot first. Do you know how to do that? [04:18] No, I don't. [04:19] Is there something wrong with the postfix wiki doc? Did anything significant change on gutsy? [04:20] Shouldn't have. [04:20] But postfix and saslauthd both have a lot of moving parts. Hard to say what it is at this point. [04:21] I see. [04:21] To unchroot postfix, make a copy of your master.cf (you'll want it later), and then go into whatever editor you use. [04:21] tritium: you might also try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/postfix.html [04:21] thanks, sommer [04:21] okay, ScottK [04:22] hey ScottK: I'll add that wiki postfix page to my update list. [04:22] BTW, I wouldn't do the rm -rf /var/run/saslauthd step in the doc sommer just pointed out. [04:22] Why is that? [04:23] Because then saslauthd won't work unchrooted. [04:23] Actually nevermind [04:23] So the doc is wrong? [04:23] No. [04:23] * ScottK was misreading. [04:24] I think the doc recomends unchrooting. [04:24] or guides you through removing postfix from chroot rather [04:24] So once you have your master.cf open, you will see a column called "chroot" with a bunch of y or n below it. [04:24] ScottK: thanks for your help too. Should I try to follow the official server doc at this point before doing anything else? [04:24] If you prefer. [04:25] Do you believe it'll work? [04:25] But if you do need to unchroot, just change all the y to n in that column and restart postfix. [04:25] tritium: Yes. I don't use that exact config, so I can't say for sure. [04:25] Okay, thank you very much! :) [04:26] ScottK: do you know when the 7.10 docs will be on the help.ubuntu.com site? [04:26] * tritium 's first time trying to install a mail server [04:27] I figured they'd be there by now. [04:27] No I don't, but for Postfix it should be the same for 7.04/7.10 [04:27] Glad to hear that. ^^^ [04:27] How can I undo the dpkg-statoverride command I ran? [04:27] ya, the 7.10 has a few more details though [04:28] tritium: if you're running 7.10 on a desktop the newest Postfix guide is in the help... fyi [04:28] sommer: newest ubuntu server postfix guide? [04:29] i.e., same help as what the server guide will give? [04:29] ya, click on help -> advanced topics -> installling server applications -> postfix [04:29] Thanks, sommer [04:29] dendrobates: Did you unsubscribe the person that started the 'interesting' ML thread? [04:29] tritium: yep... I've had success with it. [04:30] good deal [04:32] sommer: I think the official docs no longer suggest removing the chroot. [04:32] sommer: If they do, I think it's a doc bug (we can work with lamont to get it right). [04:32] sommer: I don't find it in yelp [04:33] Sorry, I'm a liar. [04:33] tritium: it's a little buried. [04:33] ;) [04:33] ScottK: I thought the mailing list was open, just the team was approval-only. wish those were linked better - I hear launchpad has some plans to support mailing lists better [04:34] Step 4 is to turn off the chroot operation for SMTP server. [04:34] ScottK: under the SMTP Auth section it has remove chroot [04:34] ya, what tritium said... heh [04:35] I guess the question is, is it better to have postfix in a chroot or not? [04:35] ScottK: not yet, I want to give him the opportunity to repent. [04:35] Am I able to undo that dpkg-statoverride command? [04:36] tritium: I'm not sure you need to. [04:37] sommer: okay, but that command is not part of this set of docs [04:37] tritium: ya the wiki needs updated [04:37] So, since it's not necessary, I'd prefer to undo it. [04:37] * tritium runs man dpkg-statoverride [04:39] dendrobates: OK. Your list. [04:40] ScottK: He will be banned tomorrow, when I have more rest, and am less angry. [04:40] sommer: Lamont and Weistse disagree on this. Lamont views chroot as a standard security tool that almost everyone should use. Weistse Venema views it as an advanced configuration option that only experienced admins who need it should use. [04:40] dendrobates: That's quite reasonable. [04:40] * nealmcb nods [04:40] sommer: Since we use lamont's Postfix packages, we should try and use them the way he designed them. [04:41] ScottK: nice "other subject" :-) [04:41] nealmcb: Thanks. [04:41] ScootK: gotcha... I'll add the postfix guide to the list. [04:41] sommer: I don't know about using saslauthd with chroot. I use sasldb and I have to remember to copy one file into the chroot after I add/change/remove a user. [04:42] ScottK: I don't have that much experiece with sasl. [04:43] seems like copying file for every user change could be a pain though [04:43] Actually we should be moving people to dovecot and away from cyrus for SASL anyway. [04:43] sommer: You can script it. [04:43] heh... true that [04:44] ScottK: can't you use SASL for a plethora of other services though [04:44] Sure. [04:45] But in Main we primarily support Dovecot for a mail delivery agent, so it makes sense (to me anyway) to use it for SASL too (Postfix supports that since 2.3) and move towards deprecating Cyrus SASL. [04:46] In fact, now that I think of it, I wonder if getting Cyrus SASL demoted to Universe is doable in Hardy. I think all the other bits have been demoted already. [04:46] interesting mail on the -server list [04:47] That's one word for it. [04:47] a nice reply from dendrobates :) [04:48] ScottK: slight correction. Wietse views the chroot as something that causes lots of questions, and he doesn't want them from newbies. [04:49] lamont: Thanks. [04:50] lamont: Any thoughts on Dovecot versus Cyrus for SASL with Postfix? [04:50] uh... I think I'll cook dinner before the munchkins revolt. give me about 15 minutes [04:50] and no, not dodging the question. bbiab [04:51] lamont: I'll probably have gone to bed by then, but sommer please listen to what lamont has to say for getting the docs fixed up. [04:52] ScottK: sure thanks for your input [04:52] hey guys [04:52] waiting for stove to heat. [04:52] so. [04:53] I know this should be a simple enough answer but I need to ask anyways, I need to setup an ftp server where when I upload, rename or delete, these actions are replicates to two other ftp servers, any suggestions? [04:53] jetole: sftp: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/ftp-server.html [04:53] I expect that either works. the biggest issue is likely to be transition [04:54] ScottK: I'm almost certainly behind you in understanding the dovecot issues. [04:54] sommer: what does that have to do with what I asked? [04:54] * ScottK really didn't want to hear that. [04:54] actually, is sommer a bot? [04:54] jetole: not that I know of [04:55] so my main concern would be that (1) I don't want to fork postfix, so (a) cyrus needs to still work (at least in debian), and (b) I'd be happy to make it so that dovecot works too... [04:55] jetole: didn't you ask for instructions on setting up ftp? [04:55] jetole: rsync in a cronjob? [04:55] I asked for instructions on setting up an ftp load balancing type system [04:55] lamont, rsync can handle ftp? [04:56] lamont: Agreed. In Ubuntu the idea would be to drop Cyrus to Universe and have Dovecot supported/documented. [04:56] jetole: ah... apologies I misread [04:56] ok, no problem but because it seemed like a generic answer I thought you might be bot, my mistake [04:56] lamont: I probably need to switch my development server first and see where the "fun" points are. [04:56] ;) [04:56] ScottK, lamont: I think I'm confused when you say Cyrus do mean cyrus-imapd? [04:56] First I need my production servers upgraded as I use the development box. [04:57] sommer: Cyrus has lots of parts. There is Cyrus SASL (still in Main) that we mostly use for SASL. There are also other bits I"ve never used. [04:58] * ScottK really needs to head to bed. Good night all. [04:58] ScottK: thanks... have a good one [04:58] lamont: I don't think it can do ftp from what I just rtfm and one of the servers in the treo is a *grunts* windows machine [04:58] Good night, ScottK. Thanks again for the help. [04:59] huh, cool, irssi just made text in *bold* between * and * [04:59] yes, it does that [04:59] and it can _underline_ [04:59] new to me [05:00] I only started using irssi again back in feb, before that I have been using xchat since 2k and I used irssi back before that but it's been a while [05:06] huh, I just upgraded the ram in my desktop tonight from 2g to 4g... kinda depressing, I mean the ram guage on the taskbar just looks so... well calm [05:06] 4GB just isn't enough [05:06] well it is for now but I havn't really been busy tonight [05:07] I think it will be enough for me for a year or two [05:08] 4gb, geez [05:08] I survive with 1/2 gig [05:08] on your desktop? [05:08] Burgundavia: a day or so ago, my system was seriously thrashing for > 30 minutes due to using up all the RAM [05:08] must not be a multi tasker [05:09] my laptop, a 1.5 ghz celeron M [05:09] want to buy me a new laptop? [05:09] sure, once I'm rich & can afford to replace mine [05:09] are you going to UDS? [05:10] mine is a dual core AMD @ 1.6 w/ 2G or ram and 160GB HDD [05:10] ... sorry, you brought it up and I had to gloat [05:10] I hardly ever use mine [05:11] ajmitch, jetole funny that you're talking about irssi - I just started looking more seriously at it - seems very handy to use in in a screen when on the road [05:13] nealmcb_: yeah I know, I love that feature becuase on my desktop I have it run in a detached screen at boot with a unique name to the screen and then on my laptop I have a shell script that runs ssh with the screen and name command so I can always connect to the same session [05:13] nealmcb_: that's mostly how I use it [05:13] jetole: yeah, that's how I use mutt [05:13] only downside is getting notifications in your gui if someone triggers a filter or pm's you [05:13] jetole: well, clearly then you need to come to UDS and we can trade [05:13] nealmcb_: I run a imap server [05:14] whatis: UDS? [05:14] is there a good screen tutorial written by real people for real people? [05:14] and no [05:14] ie: not Stallman or GNU [05:14] I think it's called the man page [05:14] Burgundavia: this tired old 2001 laptop has 256 MB. But my system76 darter will arrive tomorrow :-) [05:14] jetole: I mean, not written by Stallman or GNU [05:14] thats written for linux people who are real people [05:15] and I will be at UDS..... [05:15] Burgundavia: read the man page for bash [05:15] * ajmitch is glad that a few people will be there to contribute at UDS [05:16] what is UDS? [05:16] ubuntu developers summit [05:16] ah [05:16] in boston next week [05:17] hmmm, well I have a few things I would like to work on but frankly I just don't have the energy, when I get home from programming all day long.. well, I don't know, sometimes I want to but starting a project just doesn't seem right for me now [05:17] nealmcb_: do you have a few server specs ready to discuss? [05:18] I think I am gonna install xmpp at work though [05:19] there is some crap ass "effusia" server, some windows server based proprietary chat system that you have to pay per user to work and it doesn't even do that [05:20] ajmitch: I was just thinking a bit about some sort of central password/keystore proposal, having read the pidgin discussion of why they store passwords in the clear, and inspired by the infocard stuff also. but it seems like a stretch and I haven't looked at keystores in a long time [05:21] and I'm still wanting someone to run an AD test server so we can test ubuntu against it [05:21] good luck there [05:22] but I haven't even gotten my silly ubotu factoids done - keep getting distracted.... [05:22] nealmcb_: what about AD over xen/vmware? [05:22] you've achieved more than I have then :) [05:23] * ajmitch did have a very basic AD setup in vmware at one point [05:23] however it's something that should be done by someone with proper AD experience, to simulate a real network [05:24] jetole: I'm cheap - don't want to pay for AD or admin it - just want to bang on one from ubuntu. I don't have any windows boxes at all [05:24] nealmcb_: I used evaluation copies of windows 2003 server [05:24] legally downloaded for free from MS [05:24] huh - for some reason in irssi, the "***ajmitch" is completely invisible, like white on white [05:25] * ajmitch makes sure to use a black background, as irssi is highlighting in bright yellow [05:25] nealmcb_: I am cheap too, and I may or may not have, hypothetically speaking, have paid for windows server cd at home [05:26] I like white, and can see the bright yellow. [05:26] and with xen/vmware you don't need to run windows [05:26] you run windows in a window inside ubuntu [05:26] how many levels could you recurse? [05:26] Burgundavia: about 1, with pain [05:27] ajmitch: I am using irssi and I see * ajmitch did have a very... etc [05:27] * ajmitch tried to do some xen testing within vmware, it was painful [05:28] jetole: sure - that would be the way to do it. someone should just donate a windows server cd to someone willing to host it and keep restarting it when it gets pwn's [05:28] * jetole uses irssi on white on black terminal with default theme and transparent gnome-terminal background [05:28] nealmcb_: I would but I have no idea where my CD is and have a pile of other shit on a todo list to setup [05:29] * nealmcb_ switches to gaim to read who just wrote that.... [05:29] ! jetole ! [05:29] Sorry, I don't know anything about jetole ! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [05:29] atm it is ftp replication and I think I found a solution [05:29] still reading the article [05:30] ahh - highlighting the text shows the hidden text [05:30] it is highlighting in white [05:30] how come I have never had that issue with irssi [05:30] even with different themes [05:32] I'm using the dyndns feature on my ADSL modem. I port-forward ssh, http, imaps through to my server at 192.168.1.100. Why doesn't my laptop resolve the dyndns fqdn to my server? I can only ssh to it using the local IP address. [05:33] because the adsl modem won't do the port forwarding from both directions [05:35] ajmitch: so, imap doesn't work either, and I'm trying to setup my laptop to reach the mail server from both home, and when on travel [05:35] at home, I could use the local IP, but not on travel [05:35] holy shit, someone try typing => apt-get install fam <= AND DO NOT INSTALL IT OR USE -Y, do this from a desktop machine though [05:36] tritium: bind with multiple views? :) [05:36] or use iptables on the mail server to DTRT [05:36] I like zoneedit, I can do updates to it via wget which is stored in a crontab [05:36] heh, you *lost* me ajmitch :) [05:37] * ajmitch just has a domain name for home [05:37] ajmitch: so, do you have a static IP? [05:37] yes [05:37] $$$$ [05:37] though my DSL provider conveniently supplied a dyndns service prior to that [05:37] which was updated automatically [05:38] nice, for my home machine static ip is only available through ADSL which I don't want [05:38] ajmitch: so, since I totally don't understand binding multiple views blah blah, I could just use local IP at home, and fqdn on travel, yes? [05:39] yes [05:39] bellsouth/att will wanna charge me a shitload for a phone line I wont use, 911 services, telecom charges etc etc etc and then limit me to 3/372 if I pay extra, comcast craps on torrents from what I have read but I have an 8/768 for a reasonable price [05:40] **3/384 [05:40] jetole: as I read your request, you want to have uploads replicated. my solution would require that there be one master which then mirrored to two other machines - probably not what you wanted. [05:40] Thanks, ajmitch! [05:40] not like I helped much :) [05:40] bbiab [05:40] the real issue is that you need to coordinate so that you know how to merge a diff [05:40] lamont: that is exactly what I want [05:41] then you want either rsync or ftpmirror [05:41] ftpmirror? that sounds good since you missed the part about one of the hosts being a windows machine [05:41] jetole: that's a correctable condition [05:42] not by me it isn't [05:42] hrm.. too lazy to go read the mailing list to find the answer.,.. can we upload to hardy yet? [05:42] I don't run that office and its in another state [05:42] and I am the relatively new guy on the block at this company [05:42] jetole: that does make it more complicated to fix, yes. [05:42] right, well I just downloaded ftpmirror to my home machine so I can rtfm [05:43] I need a shirt that says that [05:43] especially for my office [05:43] mirror is the more traditional package, fwiw. although that's perl [05:44] hrm, bad authentication response from the postfix server I just installed according the the instructions in yelp [05:44] s/the the/to the [05:46] last thing I want to ask before I go to bed [05:47] is there a way to monitor changes to any file in a directory? [05:47] jetole: no. I don' t have a shirt I can sell you [05:47] :-) [05:47] inotify would do that, I expect. [05:47] damn, I was gonna ask you that too [05:47] ok, cool [05:47] well I have more stuff to read now [05:47] as in the system call, not the package. [05:48] so apt-cache search inotify to see what packages might actually provide an app for doing that [05:48] likewise, nagios is good for monitoring _stuff_. [05:48] (where "stuff" could conceivably include file chages) [05:48] changes, even [05:48] yes I like nagios but I think it may not apply to what I need [05:49] do I need to change mechanism to shadow to authenticate with postfix server using system user/password? [05:49] It's set at pam, and is currently failing. [05:49] tritium: please don't confuse me with someone who actually knows how to use sasl... :-) [05:50] lamont: isn't this your package? ;) [05:50] yeah, I am with lemont on that one, I use postfix but not sasl [05:50] I made huge strides forward a few months back and actually configured TLS on my machines. [05:50] I know dovecot authenticates properly via pam [05:50] tritium: my package, not my lib. :-) [05:50] alright, I am off to bed [05:50] cheers [05:50] night, jetole [05:51] lamont: so you don't use sasl personally? [05:51] there's a reason that debian bug 330885 has been open since 2.2.4 [05:51] Debian bug 330885 in postfix "postfix: default configuration should enable use of TLS for stmp as default" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/330885 [05:51] interesting... [05:51] tritium: haven't ever see a need to do so [05:51] well, I understand that there are situations that it very nicely addresses. [05:52] and none of those have yet matched my personal situation sufficiently to cause me to actually figure it out yet. [05:52] thanks, lamont. I only chose to use it since it's in the ubuntu server docs ;) [05:53] someone else wrote those docs... SASL is on my list of things to understand, just nowhere near the cutline yet [05:54] Well, I'll keep researching. Thanks! [06:04] dendrobates: there is a little intro to the screen program as part of http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi [06:05] screen is great program [06:06] all my ubuntu machines have it [06:06] oops - that bit on screen was for Burgundavia ....^ [06:10] thanks nealmcb === zobbo_ is now known as zobbo [07:24] hi, im trying to install a VPN on my ubuntu server [08:06] moin [08:08] <_ruben> g'day === stork_ is now known as stork === lionel_ is now known as lionel === flokuehn_ is now known as flokuehn === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch === Drazha[away] is now known as Drazha [11:49] hey folks. ive got a server that has been pre-configured by my host with 606, but I want to do a clean install so that I can set my raid up correctly. When I use the live cd, it doesnt detect my network. Is there someway I can "copy" the configuration thats already live on the system and copy it back over afterwards? Its currently a minimal installation - not even apache installed [11:50] is it feesable that I tar up everything in / and untar it back when the new server is installed? [11:51] <_ruben> tar/untar an old install over a new one pretty much erase the new install and restores the old install :-) [11:52] yes but it wont restore my partition setup - which is what i want to change. the host currently has a 230gig partiiton for home, and virtually nothing anywhere else - so I want to make a small /boot and have the rest as the install [11:53] <_ruben> and "doesnt detect my network" is a bit vague, and most network configs arent all that hard to do manually (or you could backup /etc/network/interfaces, but might not be enough) [11:54] <_ruben> oh ok, for some reason i thought you wanted to perform an upgrade as well in the process [11:54] well, the install cd says it cannot find my network card, but the preinstall lists it as some " Unknown device 8167 (rev 10)" [11:54] so they must have installed that manually (i guess) [11:54] <_ruben> ah [11:54] <_ruben> is it hard or software raid? [11:55] software [11:55] and the partitions need to be resized [11:55] hmmm i wonder if i could copy everything in / to /home and then remount /home to / [11:55] <_ruben> one (nasty) solution would be to break the mirror, repartion one drive, create raid on new drive, copy data, repartion 2nd drive, have raid rebuild itself [11:56] <_ruben> in theory that could work as well i think, would have to play with the bootloader in either scenario [11:57] is there no easy way of finding out what nic driver is being used, and supply that once the new install has been completed? [11:57]