[00:00] <_jz> 12 hours with xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-ati from feisty under gutsy and no freeze using compiz !! [00:01] <_jz> i think that's the way ! tomorrow i'll test using only the previous xserver-xorg-video-ati, and current gutsy xorg-core and will keep you informed :) [00:01] New bug: #64811 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "PCI cannot allocate resource for region 7 8 and 9 on Acer Aspire 5601AWLMi Laptop (dup-of: 54294)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64811 [00:03] ye gods the influx of me-toos on 156325 ;-) [00:20] New bug: #156467 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "No direct rendering on 855GM chip in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156467 [00:30] New bug: #156470 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Random desktop freeze with nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156470 [00:49] for the record, I can't change the keymap with 1.4 for some strange reason [00:49] so I'll continue tomorrow trying to figure out why [00:53] * bryce nods [00:53] I'm working on fglrx. It's strange, there's a link to the file, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on ati/amd's site that I can find [00:53] so no release notes [01:48] hi bryce [01:48] hi all [01:49] heya arsham [01:49] I am one of those who has problems with intel graphic card , in gutsy [01:49] * bryce nods [01:49] I just red your article in lunch pad [01:50] I have something to say [01:50] most of time , exactly when a pm comes from pidgin , the lockup happens [01:50] for me [01:51] which bug id number? [01:51] w8 [01:51] 127101 [01:51] ahh [01:51] I closed every application , that uses libnotify [01:52] nothing happened yet [01:52] but I have to read whole of the bug reports in that area [01:52] ok well it's likely you're experiencing some new bug [01:52] maybe [01:53] have you had any chance to fix that? [01:53] even if it demonstrates symptoms that are just like in 127101, it's probably caused by something different [01:53] maybe [01:53] in any case, 127101 is closed as fixed and verified by its reporters, so you'll want to post a new bug report [01:53] aw , I am not familiar with bug reporting [01:54] just googling for my problem [01:54] here's some info on bug reporting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging/ [01:54] why the graphic card hangs with compiz in gutsy? [01:54] you probably only need to read section 2 [01:54] thank you [01:55] what was the difference between faisty and gutsy in these kind of case? [01:56] feisty used the -i810 driver, whereas gutsy used a newer -intel driver [01:56] aw [01:56] also feisty did not have compiz enabled by default [01:56] is there any chance for me to use i810 driver? [01:57] I am confused [01:57] another thing , maybe helps : [01:57] there is a chance [01:58] while locking up , amarok plays the whole song till the end , and doesn't play the next one , maybe related to OSD or notify [01:58] and I can ssh and remote control my computer [01:58] but keyboard and screen is locked [01:58] and mouse is active , you know that already [01:59] how can I use that driver? [01:59] is it stable? [01:59] New bug: #156456 in compiz (restricted) "mplayer can't display Videos " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156456 [02:02] another thing that I saw was : [02:02] during reboot : I got the splash screen of ubuntu's shutting down , seems that the control got back to the GC [02:09] bryce, would you please guide me to fix my problem? [02:11] sorry, I'm a bit busy, but here's some docs that should help for installing i810: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver [02:11] thank you [02:12] and good luck [02:13] there is also a place for asking for tech support on ubuntu here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion [02:13] thanks man [02:16] np [02:18] X crash [02:31] which graphic card do u advise me for my next laptop? [02:32] all graphics cards have some bugs, none is perfect [02:33] i945 seems to be fairly well supported [02:33] and about performance? [02:34] best performance are with binary drivers, which are not well supported [02:34] thank you , your gr8 [02:58] bye all [02:58] bye bryce , thank you helping me [04:55] heh, some of the fglrx commentary at phoronix is humorous. "AIGLX is a TOTAL DELUSION. The fps is less than XGL. Firefox scrolling seems like a 286 dir command (on dos). [04:55] Radeon open source driver is better!" [06:37] bryce: made some small adjustments to the Projects-page [06:42] the x11proto's are good to go before the server, since it build-depends on them [06:50] New bug: #156550 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "[gutsy] ati open source driver issues with external monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156550 [07:14] ok cool [07:15] btw, I've also now started a page for patches: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Patches [07:15] mostly focused on -intel [07:16] so far haven't run across anything too exciting [07:47] btw, dropping patch 120 means that users need to put XAANoOffscreenPixmaps in the config, or use EXA [07:48] otherwise the performance is horrible [08:37] what about modifying dexconf to put one or the other of those in? [08:40] well, perhaps we could evaluate EXA [08:40] for intel&ati at least [08:51] hey seb128 [08:51] hi tepsipakki [08:51] seb128: do you remember why xvfb depends on xfonts-base & xauth? Debian has those in Recommends [08:52] xvfb doesn't work without xauth [08:52] the changelog of xorg-server mentions that fabbione pointed that out (haven't asked him yet) [08:52] xvfb-run [08:52] if ! which xauth >/dev/null; then [08:52] error "xauth command not found" [08:52] hmm, maybe it should be a Depends on debian as well [08:52] right [08:53] heya seb128 [08:53] actually, it's xbase-clients now, but could be changed since it's split now [08:53] or they don't consider xvfb-run as important enough to add a Depends [08:53] hello bryce [08:54] I think we dropped the xauth Depends by mistake during a merge and that was creating ftbfs [08:54] right [08:54] because packages using xvfb-run needs to Build-Depends on xauth also then [08:54] I think it makes sense to have the Depends [08:54] jcristau: ^^ [08:54] seems like it yes [08:56] you need xauth if you want to use xvfb-run, not necessarily for Xvfb [08:57] so yeah, if you use xvfb-run at build time, then you need a build-dep on xauth and xfonts-base [09:03] * _jz two hours with feisty's xorg-video-ati (and gutsy's core) and still no freeze using compiz ! [09:04] :-) [09:07] duh, tried the debian version of hal and still can't change the kblayout [09:08] even if I remove the fdi it still uses hal-rules [09:43] finally got the local fdi file to work [09:45] yeah, I had a broken fdi file, it didn't have a "match" entry for input.keys :P [09:46] bryce: so, what do we do with the server?-) [09:47] how do you mean? [09:48] upload now or keep it on hold [09:48] besides, until xorg is uploaded people shouldn't be able to upgrade to it without force [09:49] what's the status with that hal bug you were worried about? [09:49] it is easily worked around [09:49] but has to be done by the user for now [09:49] how serious of an issue is it if not worked around? does it only affect non-US kbds? [09:50] only !us yes [09:50] what's the workaround? [09:50] and, if the DE forces pc105 layout [09:50] put a fdi-file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy that changes it [09:51] where does the fdi-file come from? [09:51] http://pastebin.com/m51eeabc5 [09:51] nowhere, needs to be made [09:52] hmm [09:52] it was discussed last night on #debian-x [09:52] but people won't be able to upload to xserver 1.4 until the new xorg is there? [09:53] you might want to wait until we agree on the transition plan [09:53] or, just don't build-dep on libhal-dev [09:53] for now [09:53] hmm, that would work too [09:54] well, I'd say as long as there's a way we can get xserver into the repo so we can start building against it, but without inflicting the kbd issue on people in general, I'd favor uploading it [09:54] bryce: yes, as long as there are drivers that have an older ABIVER [10:01] New bug: #130837 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) ""Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on Realtime kernel" is missing components" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130837 [10:04] ahh, got lrm with latest fglrx built [10:04] bryce: is it for gutsy or hardy? [10:04] gutsy [10:04] ok [10:04] I've not set up a Hardy environment for building yet [10:05] I did, and now some dialogs doesn't have any visible text anymore (in X, before upgrading to 1.4) [10:06] :) [10:06] oh lovely [10:06] it's so good to know we'll have things to keep us busy for Hardy ;-) [10:07] btw, I've also dug through the -intel git log and identified changes that look interesting from a backporting standpoint: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Patches [10:07] I don't know if the quirks are worth backporting or not, but if so, there's a slew of them [10:08] I think tomorrow I'm going to make another pass through the intel bugs and see if any match up to these patches [10:08] http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/xserver.debdiff [10:21] bryce: so, I'll upload xorg-server and post a notice on u-d about the issues it has? [10:21] yup, sounds good [10:22] right, I'll get on it [10:25] +with [10:26] 4h of sleep does take its toll :P [10:28] heh [10:30] wow, the new xserver has a surprisingly short changelog [10:30] +entry [10:30] could be shorter :) [10:33] anyway, debdiff looks good [10:34] 107 is a controversial patch, apparently the toolkits should be fixed not to use background none windows, but.. [10:41] hmm, I was wrong about putting the drivers on hold, since they now depends on xserver >=1.4 so they won't get built before it is uploaded [10:41] -s [10:42] um, I _might_ want to change the release name from xorg-server [10:43] uh? really? [10:43] it was gutsy [10:45] so dput would have uploaded it for gutsy :) [10:46] ah [10:46] yeah I do that all the time :-) [10:47] but I have a plan for preventing it for hardy [10:47] however right now I need to go to bed. Meeting time in +5 hrs. [10:47] bug 156325 is debbed. 'night. [10:47] Launchpad bug 156325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "New fglrx 8.42.3 to Gutsy" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156325 [10:47] good night [11:49] bryce: +5h-49min? [11:50] doh, that was one hour ago ;-) [11:50] bryce: ignore my comment ;-) [13:31] Bryce? [13:32] I know this bug #93832 is closed, but should we add to the debug pages somewhere that this melting / fading symptom is a _VERY_ bad sign, and one which means you should power off the computer ASAP to avoid potential LCD damage? [13:32] Launchpad bug 93832 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "screen "melts", no output displayed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93832 [13:32] Or do we want to avoid letting people think it might be Ubuntu's fault if their LCD breaks for any reason later in its life? [13:41] New bug: #156658 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Console incorrectly programmed if leaving X with no outputs (945GM)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156658 [14:05] hum [14:05] i've lost DRI on ubuntu 7.10 when i log in. it seems to spawn a new X server when i log in and can't get a lock on the hardware because the login screen still has it. [14:05] i am logged in on the terminal with startx at the moment. [14:26] baggins: filed a bug yet? [14:27] no [14:27] please do [14:28] attach xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log [14:30] ok, i'll do it when i have to reboot and i get annoyed about it again [14:30] i guess i have the question of: is that normal? does GDM now spawn a new X server when a user logs in? [14:30] no [14:30] and no [14:31] create another user and then login as that user [14:33] New bug: #155531 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "totem don't display video on Ubuntu 7.10" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155531 [14:49] <_jz> that new xserver-xorg-video-ati is pure crap !! i hope there will be a fix soon ! :/ [14:49] do you have DRI? [15:34] bryce: awake already? I thought about the colors in Projects [15:34] bryce: could green be for done items, yellow pending, and red (?) for open [15:38] New bug: #156666 in xorg (main) "Xorg restarts randomly while typing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156666 [15:57] bbl -> [19:06] New bug: #46463 in language-support-th (main) "Western keyboard layouts don't work after thai language login" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46463 [19:24] New bug: #156573 in xorg (main) "xserver bug needs resolved" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156573 [19:25] New bug: #156341 in xorg (main) "ubuntu 7.10 and ATI = black screen?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156341 [20:10] New bug: #154210 in compiz (main) "Massive memory leak in compiz (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154210 [20:11] hum [20:11] lots of ATI issues, it seems with 7.10 [20:16] black screen issues are known [20:47] New bug: #156801 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "totem display`s vertical lines no movie Gutsy 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156801 [20:58] heh [20:58] wow you can just see the dups rolling in. :) [21:20] New bug: #156824 in xorg (main) "Xorg freaks out, hogs CPU, and possesses my laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156824 [21:33] heya tepsipakki [21:33] tepsipakki: I got a weird issue I'm trying to sort out with a user on i810 [21:34] they've got a bunch of large LCD panels mounted that display info in kiosk mode, with Feisty installed [21:34] some of the LCD panels are mounted in landscape mode, others in portrait mode and rotated 90 deg with xrandr [21:35] oddly, a lot of the landscape (unrotated) displays are having failures where they lock up [21:35] the lock ups occur after several day's uptime (typically about 6 days, but as little as 40 min in some cases) [21:36] initially we suspected memory leaks, and in fact there were some memory leaks [21:37] but in tracking memory usage, it seems that in many cases there is no memory growth prior to the failure [21:38] do you know of any issues with i810 that could result in a lockup after an arbitrary amount of time, or have any ideas on why a i810 system would fail *unless* it were rotated with xrandr? [21:42] so they are identical otherwise? [21:44] yes [21:44] indeed sounds strange.. what bug is it? [21:44] exactly the same hardware and software. They're mounted different, and one set is rotated [21:45] mark tardiff reported it to me, but apparently he hasn't put in a bug report on it for some reason [21:46] we've not been able to find an error message or backtrace [21:47] (honestly I'm still not convinced that it's an Xorg issue) [21:47] I'm afraid I don't have any ideas either [21:47] ok thanks [22:05] New bug: #156839 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia graphics cat not detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156839 [22:30] New bug: #154818 in xorg (main) "X broken by upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154818 [22:46] New bug: #82577 in xfce4-terminal (main) "Terminal does not work on Xubuntu feisty (dup-of: 91849)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82577 [22:46] New bug: #133088 in xfce4-terminal "xubuntu terminal (xfterm4) dies, kills X (dup-of: 91849)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133088 [23:38] New bug: #149864 in xorg (main) "Problems with x.org after update." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149864 [23:45] hi [23:45] lots of flux on bugs today [23:46] bryce: (or anyone) is there any way we can get launchpad to fix the mime type of Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old etc..? [23:46] heya pcjc2 [23:46] hmm, good thought [23:47] I'm not really sure, but maybe you could ask on #ubuntu-devel? [23:47] ok, I'm subscribed to the launchpad beta list, might be worth asking there [23:47] Xorg*log* -> text/plain [23:48] yeah [23:48] Not a lot of response from the Intel guys... [23:48] nope :-( [23:48] what are they up to (coding driver support for their latest unreleased chipset in secret?) [23:48] I see they're listed as attending Barcamp, so if that's true, I'll be seeing them this weekend [23:49] no idea [23:49] aha, say hello for me! [23:49] will do; I also plan to query them about -intel bugs [23:49] oh hey btw, I was a busy bee last night... [23:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Patches [23:50] We've done the hard parts... just need them to review the patches, or investigate the _why_ now we know the workarounds / fixes [23:50] I gathered a listing of -intel (and other) patches for reviewing [23:50] most of those are probably crap patches, or ones we already have, but probably worth a look [23:50] wow... thats a lot of patches [23:51] if you could review them, and mark ones that look irrelevant to help narrow the list, it'd be a big help [23:51] I'm looking from the direction of going through our bug reports and see if any match with these patches [23:52] in which case I'll build one or two -intel rollups with some patches for folks to test with [23:52] some of those are backports from git [23:52] I was meaning to email you [23:52] right, all the ones marked origin 'xorg git' [23:52] (but haven't fixed my laptop install yet.. am on a different machine now0 [23:52] ) [23:53] hah... didn't spot that! [23:53] no.. some of the Fedora ones I recognise form git too [23:53] yeah, so those will come automatically if/when we get a new -intel release [23:53] I think we need to put together a patch with the 855 fixes, and push into Hardy [23:53] but if we can key up some of these to high priority issues in the intel tracker, we could sru them into Gutsy [23:54] * bryce nods [23:54] (We might consider my startup without blinking lots patch for a future push to Hardy) [23:54] Sounds like pushing those fixes closes a few bugs, and we can see what is left [23:54] I might not be able to look at these tonight (want to fix my laptop install, and its already 12PM) [23:55] will try to do so in a day or so.. [23:55] no prob [23:55] yeah just wanted to mention it since I'm off tomorrow, traveling friday, and then in conference mode for the next 2 weeks [23:56] I should still be around online but intermittently, and my productivity is probably not going to be as high; I figure I'll mostly focus on bug triaging and other random bits and pieces [23:56] The intel git tree has changed loads since 2.1.1 [23:57] yup [23:57] Do you know if they planned to do a bugfix release in the 2.1 series, or just finish what they've got in HEAD now? [23:57] I went through the full changelog in git to identify this shortlist of "interesting" changes [23:57] I've no idea [23:57] (might be worth asking them that) [23:57] I've been speculating about a 2.1.2 but that's just me [23:57] yup definitely [23:58] oh also, if there are patches you have or know of, that we should definitely include either in Hardy or as a backport or update to Gutsy, can you add them to that X/Patches page? I can then roll them up and take care of processing them through from there. [23:58] kyle was supposed to do 2.1.2 a while ago, but... [23:59] jcristau: do you know if anyone is planning on picking that up? [23:59] i don't