[00:45] <martin_> ok, i have just installed xubuntu 7.10 and installation works just fine but when i try to boot the system i first see the spashscreen and the progressbar and everything looks fine until it hangs just after "running local start scripts" anyone recognice this?? any ideas?
[00:46] <martin_> also, when i boot up in recoverymode i get now network connection, hast worked great before with earlyer distros...
[01:15] <th3man> hello
[01:15] <th3man> why does my titlebar disappear after installing compiz?
[01:15] <th3man> has anyone else have that problem?
[01:21] <neozen> sorry... just joined
[01:22] <neozen> which problem is this?
[02:27] <brokensambot> Hi, is there a fast user type switching mech in Xubuntu 7.10?
[02:40] <brokensambot> gnomefreak just joined Xubuntu, irony :)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> brokensambot: im always here
[02:41] <brokensambot> xfcefreak?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> im just checking in to see if i can poush package. i used to be that nick as well as other freak nicks but got rid of alot of them
[02:42] <brokensambot> Nice
[02:42] <gnomefreak> i sign packages use gnomefreak as nicks for Lp wiki and such so i use this most of time
[02:43] <brokensambot> You don't know of a fast user switching alt for Xubuntu do you?
[02:43] <brokensambot> Fast user switching works so nice on my main box I must have it for my server ;)
[02:43] <gnomefreak> brokensambot: if there isnt one you an use gnomes iirc you have to use the gnome-applet think for xfce
[02:44] <gnomefreak> i dont think xubuntu added one
[02:51] <yotux> can can anyone assist in getting network card to work?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> yotux: sorry thats too much thinking at this time a night for me or i would love to
[02:53] <yotux> its weird it sees my card list my card but the card doesn't pull an IP thankz for the reply though
[02:59] <yotux> gnomefreak 1000mb card recommendation?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> dont know ask me in morning i am not much help tonight i had to take painkillers
[03:00] <gnomefreak> i do need a smoke brb
[03:00] <yotux> ok thankz
[03:01] <ICXCNIKA> Does Xubuntu utilize ShipIt? I would download the iso file and put it to a disk, but unfortunately I don't have a cd burner.
[03:02] <gnomefreak> ICXCNIKA: not yet afaik
[03:03] <ICXCNIKA> oh
[03:54] <user1> can someone help gnome-mount doesnt work
[03:55] <user1> gnome-umount is broke too
[03:56] <user1> please???
[04:09] <Rynux91> I'm starting to think my computer is too old for Xubuntu 7.10
[04:09] <Rynux91> or my computer is running a practical exam on me...
[04:12] <Rynux91> So far, the problems I've had are, Terminal Crashes X Server, Broken Packages, Unable to update using update manager and unable to fix using Synaptic
[04:39] <niuq> hi, i'm having problems installing xubuntu
[04:39] <niuq> while the installation is in process, a message appears
[04:40] <niuq> (297.799458) out of memory: kill process 3512 (localedef score 542 or a child)
[05:12] <Rynux91> any active members here?
[06:15] <frig_> during the ubuntu loading screen, is the screen set to an 800x600 display mode?
[07:16] <sve1> hey all
[07:45] <jrsims> Is there a way to get xubuntu to redetect my display settings like it did during install?
[07:46] <jrsims> I tried to use a second display, and that failed. So now I am stuck in low graphics mode.
[07:46] <jrsims> No way back
[07:46] <jrsims> bad bad bad
[07:46] <jrsims> bad form
[07:47] <jrsims> Oh, and every time I log out and back in, the fonts get smaller each time
[08:23] <giulio> Hello, what can i do to autoload snd-sb16 modules at every boot? Adding snd-sb16 in /etc/modules is ok? Tya
[09:28] <fbn> hi, where can I configure laptop power savings (suspend after XX minutes of inactivity and so on) on xubuntu?
[09:28] <fbn> on ubuntu there was a app in system menu called energieverwaltung (sorry don't know the english word)
[09:48] <rzimek78> hello, I'm a newbe in Xfce. I've installed samba, but how in Xubuntu search for local computers in local net?
[09:49] <TheSheep> rzimek78: if you want a gui tool for that, pyneighbourhood does that
[09:49] <rzimek78> ok, :)
[09:57] <rzimek78> but there's a problem, because I can't even look into the folder that I share in pyNeighborhood - "Failed to mount" :( why is it? Samba is configured good
[10:01] <TheSheep> rzimek78: I'm not sure, but I think that pyneighbourhood is using smbfs to mount the shares with fuse
[10:01] <TheSheep> !smbfs
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <TheSheep> hmm...
[10:13] <nikolam> Hello
[10:14] <nikolam> Does anyode here uses Xubuntu 7.10 64-bit and have one of ATI graphics cards and uses FGLRX driver?
[10:14] <nikolam> Could you please tell me, if you CAN start Open Office?
[10:16] <fbn> hi, is there any laptop power management in xubuntu?
[10:18] <nikolam> There were before on 7.04 in screen saver settings. (screen etc) Now on 7.10 I don`t know.
[11:04] <McLOVIN> hi
[11:05] <AlexC> hello
[11:05] <AlexC> lol, McLOVIN
[11:05] <AlexC> that was a crazy movie
[11:05] <McLOVIN> yes ^^
[11:10] <McLOVIN> i want to test the xubuntu live cd but after the blue-grey progress bar my monitor says "out of range"
[11:21] <nikolam> Try alternate install, or try passing vga  mode during boot
[11:27] <McLOVIN> i tried it with the safe graphic mode but the same thing happened
[11:39] <nikolam> Didi you try F4 - select graphics mode?
[11:40] <nikolam> What monitor do you use?
[11:43] <alzamon> I have a problem with my sound quality when playing movies with mplayer and when playing mp3's with cmus. The quality used to be good, but it seems that when fumbling around with codecs and different video/audio players I have messed things up. The sound card is Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] and I'm using ALSA.
[11:44] <alzamon> It sounds almost like when the speakers can't handle the volume.
[11:51] <nikolam> alzamon: You already know what it is.
[11:52] <nikolam> I would try to reinstall those restricted codecs from add/remove applications
[11:53] <McLOVIN> i use a normal lcd tft monitor
[11:54] <McLOVIN> and with the F4 selection i only tried the vga mode and the 1024*768 32bit mode
[11:55] <McLOVIN> maybe it's because of my graphics card?
[12:00] <nikolam> McLOVIN: And what graphics card
[12:00] <McLOVIN> nvidia geforce 7600 gs
[12:00] <nikolam> McLOVIN: Did you try to set lower resolution with F4?
[12:00] <McLOVIN> no just the high one and the standard vga mode
[12:02] <nikolam> Maybe this would help as boot option?
[12:02] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution?highlight=%20getty%20#12332751586536761693
[12:03] <nikolam> but it seem to me its the same as F4
[12:06] <McLOVIN> i will try out the other resolutions a bit later
[12:06] <McLOVIN> thx for you help
[12:07] <nikolam> ok pn
[12:12] <alzamon> niko: Sorry but I didn't quite understand. You would reinstall the codecs packages that I was messing with earlyer?
[12:16] <qwerkus> Hello all
[12:16] <qwerkus> did someone managed to get the framebuffer console working under gutsy ?
[12:18] <netdur> minimal req. to run xubuntu?
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: are you referring to the vga= options bugs?
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> netdur: 64 MB RAM, 1.5 GB HDD, 300 MHz CPU is what I'd guess off the top of my head, but 128 / 3 / 700 would be lots more comfortable
[12:24] <netdur> 128 RAM 4 GB 333 MHz ?
[12:25] <netdur> tonyyarusso: good specs?
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> netdur: probably good enough at least.
[12:26] <netdur> tonyyarusso: thanks
[12:58] <qwerkus> tonyyarusso: yes
[12:59] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: in that case, no, but I'm also waiting
[12:59] <qwerkus> :(
[12:59] <qwerkus> any other way to get a fbconsole ?
[12:59] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[12:59] <qwerkus> k
[13:00] <qwerkus> let's wait
[15:15] <pfein> I upgraded to gutsy, and now I get two nm-applets... any idea?
[15:47] <keitherz> help
[15:54] <keitherz> hello?
[16:04] <keitherz_> nikolam
[16:04] <keitherz_> where are the ppl here
[16:52] <nikolam> here here
[16:53] <nikolam> :)
[16:56] <GodOfWalmart> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get the xenv program to test input from buttons to the x server?
[16:57] <GodOfWalmart> anyone?
[17:02] <feodor24> off blast
[17:02] <feodor24> hi all, guys
[17:04] <feodor24> I've got some strange problem with nvidia driver and need your help
[17:06] <feodor24> there's a 1.0-9631 NVIDIA driver installed on my Xubuntu right from the box but when benchmarking using Q3 I have only 32 FPS on Linux versus 48 FPS on Windows
[17:06] <feodor24> i mean that graphic acceleration works but it's so slo-o-o-owly when compirising with Win
[17:06] <feodor24> is it ok?
[17:07] <feodor24> glxgears works too but it gain only 800 FPS
[17:07] <GodOfWalmart> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get the xenv program to test input from buttons to the x server?
[17:08] <feodor24> I don't  know, unfortunatly
[17:08] <feodor24> GodOf, maybe u can help me? are u experienced user?
[17:09] <feodor24> I just dunno what to do - NVIDIA driver seems to be working ok but it's very slowly
[17:09] <GodOfWalmart> have you ran a top?
[17:09] <GodOfWalmart> see what's using your CPU?
[17:10] <feodor24> GodOf, u know, I'm absulotely shure that when render, my GPU using NVIDIA accelerated driver... but I just cannot understand why it is so slowly
[17:11] <feodor24> what's the top?
[17:11] <feodor24> oh, i see...
[17:11] <feodor24> just a minute..
[17:11] <feodor24> GodOf, so what proccess should eb listed in top to let me know it's ok?
[17:12] <sve1> hey, my comp freezes as soon as the login screen loads.  it's happened with other distros, but I don't know why
[17:12] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, freezes hard?
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, should be the programs you are running
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, someone on the forums reported mplayer running with two instances after an update and it was killing the CPU
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, kill beagle and desktop search if you don't use them
[17:14] <sve1> Godof: yes.  the screen glitches and I can't use my mouse or keyboard.
[17:14] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, kill the xserver and check the logs, see what's causing it to crash. It might be something in your xorg.conf
[17:15] <feodor24> GodOf, no, it's ok with cpu and memory... everything's OK and other programs run well... only 3D seems to work so shitty
[17:15] <sve1>  Ok, I'll check that now
[17:16] <feodor24> GodOf, actually I'm a total noob in IRC :) tell me plz how can u make somebody from the room to know that u're addressing ur message to him/her?
[17:17] <feodor24> GodOf, i mean is there any way to address ur msg instead of typing ur reciever's nick firstly?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> type my full name
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> or type part of it and hit tab
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> it should fill the rest of it out
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24,
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> see?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> fed, no?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> Did you update your drivers?
[17:17] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: cool :)_ it works :) thanks alot
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> np
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> glad to help
[17:18] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: 1.0-9631 NVIDIA driver was just out-of-the box
[17:18] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: actually I was very surprised by this fact
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, give me the output from the command uname -r
[17:19] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, yeah, it's nativly supported now
[17:19] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: 2.6.20-15-generic
[17:19] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, you've not updated have you?
[17:19] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: by the way, does GPL driver suck in comparison with NVIDIA's prop. driver?
[17:20] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: no, coz 9631 is the last driver's version my GPU's able to support
[17:20] <sve1> GodOfWalmart: where is xorg.conf?
[17:20] <feodor24> sve1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:21] <feodor24> sve1, but make a reserver copy firstly!:)
[17:21] <feodor24> reserv i mean
[17:21] <GodOfWalmart> yes!
[17:21] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[17:22] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, what do you mean by that? it should be what your GPU supports, rather what the kernel supports
[17:22] <sve1> feodor24: ty.,
[17:23] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: i have GeForce 4 440 MX card. It's old and so it's ablt to support only "Legacy" drivers. Last legacy driver is 1.0-9631
[17:23] <GodOfWalmart> I have to go, sorry
[17:23] <feodor24> ok, bye and thank u for ur help
[17:23] <GodOfWalmart> the legacy drivers are still supported in newer kernels I'm pretty sure
[17:24] <feodor24> ok, i'll go to ubuntu channel instead of sleeping xubuntu one and ask those guys about it
[17:38] <Gabriella> Can someone help me with a simple problem?
[17:38] <Gabriella> I accidentally removed my top and bottom task bars
[17:38] <Gabriella> Any idea how I can get them back
[17:42] <TheSheep> Gabriella: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[17:47] <Gabriella> Haha!
[17:47] <Gabriella> I thank you good sir
[17:53] <nikolam> Hey, hello
[17:53] <nikolam> Does anyone use 64-bit xubuntu 7.10
[17:53] <nikolam> and fglrx ATI graphics driver?
[17:54] <nikolam> I need someone to confirm bug regarding OpenOffice with fglrx
[17:54] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/155372
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155372 in openoffice.org "Open Office does not start when using fglrx ATI driver." [Unknown,Confirmed]
[18:00] <tax0n> hi folks
[18:00] <tax0n> any xubuntu website admin around?
[18:07] <nikolam> What`s wrong? (I am just user like you)
[18:08] <tax0n> unless your admin on the xubuntu site you probably can't help
[18:08] <tax0n> one of the mirror links on the main page points to spam
[18:13] <nikolam> Which one?
[18:13] <nikolam> http://xubuntu.uberhax.org/releases/6.06.1/release.1/
[18:13] <nikolam> Is this one?
[18:37] <fairway> hi all
[18:37] <fairway> what dvd player is recommended in xubuntu?
[18:39] <wbadger> I like vlc
[18:39] <fairway> how to install?
[18:40] <wbadger> sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:40] <wbadger> or in synaptic
[18:42] <fairway> k thx
[18:51] <neozen> ....ok
[18:51] <neozen> just installed gutsy
[18:51] <neozen> correction... upgraded to gutsy from feisty
[18:52] <neozen> ...having some font issues
[18:52] <neozen> mainly in eclipse...
[18:52] <neozen> which was installed using a zip from eclipse.org NOT the repositories
[18:52] <neozen> font sizes in iteditor are huge and bold.....
[18:52] <neozen> *its editor
[18:53] <wbadger> I think you should change a preference in eclipse
[18:55] <neozen> I completely whacked out eclipse's preference folder (.mozilla/eclipse)
[18:55] <neozen> ...no change
[18:56] <neozen> :(
[19:00]  * neozen finally finds eclipses default settings and kicks them...
[19:00] <graelb> Hi, Is there any reason you can think of that would make my TTY's not be visible?
[19:03] <zoredache> eh?
[19:03] <zoredache> what do you mean not visible?
[19:03] <zoredache> are you saying the device node doesn't exist in /dev or something else?
[19:04] <graelb> when i go Ctrl+alt+F2, i get a black screen
[19:04] <graelb> which then cycles througth a bunch of colors
[19:05] <graelb> I'm on gutsy btw
[19:05] <graelb> I found a bug report *looking through it*
[19:08] <zoredache> wow, that sounds unusual...
[19:10] <metsika> salut :)
[19:11] <metsika> Quand aurat on droit a xubuntu avec gusty gibbon ? :o
[19:11] <graelb> here's the report btw
[19:11] <graelb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[19:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux-source-2.6.22 "tty[1-6] are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[19:12] <metsika> and why?
[19:46] <Ben_Cs> hello
[19:47] <Ben_Cs> each time i try to run gutsy livecd i get to the progress bar and then it exits to "busybox" wtf?!
[19:48] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: usually this means a bad burn or a bad download
[19:49] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: sometimes it might be just the cd drive unable to read the cd
[19:49] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep i burned it twise/ bad download? sure? i'm downloading dapper for test
[19:50] <TheSheep> !md5 | Ben_Cs
[19:50] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[19:50] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: verifying from menu there brings me to busybox aswell
[19:51] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: verufy the iso you downloaded
[19:51] <TheSheep> verify
[19:51] <h3sp4wn> There is an option on the boot menu to check the disk use that
[19:51] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: there is md5 checksum availbale where you got it
[19:51] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: he just said it gives him busybox too :(
[19:52] <Ben_Cs> but i can't get to kernel at all
[19:52] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: do it on the computer on which you downloaded and burned the cd
[19:52] <Ben_Cs> k
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Interesting I never needed to use that (just knew of its existance)
[19:57] <Ben_Cs> the winxp sees the cd as blank cd. so i can't access what i need to run checksum on it
[19:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it shouldn't be seen as blank
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> but it is
[19:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: besides, you are supposed o check the iso you donwlaoded, not the cd
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> i deleted the iso
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> nevermind wil try dapper
[19:58] <TheSheep> ah, then there is no use checking, just redownload :)
[20:03] <Ben_Cs> desided to redownload gutsy cause dapper has old version of eclipse
[20:33] <topyli> i installed xubuntu last night on my old desktop. nice enough
[20:33] <topyli> however, it uses the system beep quite liberally. how do i turn it off?
[20:39] <TheSheep> topyli: when does it beep?
[20:41] <topyli> TheSheep: for example when i press backspace the beginning of a line
[20:41] <topyli> in terminal, or an text entry box
[20:42] <topyli> maybe it think it's an error. "you can't go back!" :)
[20:42] <TheSheep> you can disable the beeps in the terminal
[20:42] <evil_tech> has anyone gotten compiz working?
[20:43] <TheSheep> !compiz | evil_tech
[20:43] <ubotu> evil_tech: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[20:43] <TheSheep> topyli: in ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
[20:45] <topyli> TheSheep: thanks :)
[20:45] <topyli> the pidgin text entry box still beeps though
[20:48] <topyli> actually, pidgin is the only one beeping on the desktop. the consoles beep too. i'll figure them out
[20:53] <topyli> all in all, i find xfce quite sexy: http://i22.tinypic.com/n4gsbk.png
[20:53] <topyli> (normally i'm a die-hard gnome fellow)
[20:59] <jerbear> does anyone use nx with xfce?
[21:01] <zoredache> one of my coworkers does...
[22:15] <neur2> hello
[22:15] <neur2> bye
[22:20] <runokiab> hi
[22:20] <runokiab> after updating to 7.10 I cannot get the mixer button added to the xfce-panel
[22:20] <runokiab> is that a known bug? is there a workaround?
[22:21] <runokiab> ah ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/144142
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144142 in xfce4-panel "if i try to add the xfce4-mixer-plugin it does not show up in the panel (dup-of: 90261)" [Undecided,New]
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90261 in xfce4-mixer "Volume Control plugin can't be added to xfce4-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[22:26] <runokiab> that's really annoying for my using habits
[22:56] <evil_tech> !compiz
[22:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[22:58] <machaddock> something is messed up with my home folder icon in the top panel. Can you help me fix it?
[22:58] <machaddock> anyone?
[23:01] <machaddock> god damn it there is never anyone active on this channel
[23:05] <zoredache> there are people tht are active... just not necesarly knowledgable
[23:06] <zoredache> as for the 'home' icon in the top panel right click on it and hit properties...
[23:06] <zoredache> when I look at mine I see that the icon is 'user-home.png'
[23:09] <Adriaan_> Hey people
[23:09] <zoredache> hello
[23:09] <Adriaan_> So the Gibbons are out... I read Ubuntu has a lot of bugs and stuff, but how about Xubuntu 7.10?
[23:10] <Adriaan_> I'd like to know it before I download it
[23:10] <Adriaan_> :)
[23:11] <evil_tech> i suppose it would depend on what you are doing
[23:11] <Adriaan_> what do you mean?
[23:11] <zoredache> the system is useable on my computer.  There is a issue I am having with libpam_mount.  But I am not convinced it isn't something I have done to myself
[23:12] <evil_tech> i am using it just for email word processing movie watching etc and ive ran into no bugs yet
[23:12] <evil_tech> but if you need more advance things just judging for traffic there may be bugs that could cause you problems
[23:13] <evil_tech> upgrading seems to break some things
[23:13] <Adriaan_> I'm going to download the install CD and reconfigure the whole system
[23:13] <Adriaan_> so that shouldn't be a problem
[23:14] <Adriaan_> But I won't use it for complicated programs
[23:15] <evil_tech> i'd do a full install from the disc rather than upgrade
[23:16] <Adriaan_> yup, it's easier to just save imprtant files on an extern memory
[23:17] <SuicideCow> Hi
[23:18] <SuicideCow> So this is the Xubuntu IRC channel right?
[23:18] <Adriaan_> :-) Alright, thanks for letting me know the state of the Gibbon, I'm doing it tomorrow [tomorrow's a long day and I'm really tired]
[23:18] <Adriaan_> yes it is
[23:18] <SuicideCow> Great, i have a problem with my deployement of Xubuntu on an old Acer laptop :P
[23:19] <Adriaan_> good luck with that, but I can't help you with that
[23:19] <zoredache> are you going to ask us about the problem or are you just sharing?
[23:19] <SuicideCow> Im going to ask about the problem :P
[23:19] <SuicideCow> The problem is:
[23:19] <evil_tech> yay I got COMPIZ working :D
[23:20] <SuicideCow> Im trying to install Xubuntu on an Acer 517TE Laptop, but it is taking forever, it is sitting at the desktop for nearly 20 minutes without the 2 taskbars, and if i click on an icon nothing happenes
[23:21] <evil_tech> what are the specs on the machine
[23:21] <zoredache> you might want to consider using the 'alternate' install cd
[23:21] <SuicideCow> Emm, lemme think
[23:22] <SuicideCow> Intel Pentium 2 366 Mhz, 192Mb Ram, build in videocard
[23:22] <SuicideCow> Xubuntu should be able to run on it
[23:22] <mattg_> how do i browse a network?
[23:22] <SuicideCow> I burned the Live disk at 6x speed, but that shouldn be a problem
[23:22] <evil_tech> yes ive installed it on much less than that
[23:22] <evil_tech> i would try using the alternate install
[23:23] <evil_tech> i have more luck installing with it on older machines
[23:23] <SuicideCow> I hate the alternate cdś :P
[23:23] <SuicideCow> Have to download again :p
[23:23] <SuicideCow> But if im correct, i remember something wich might be important
[23:23] <SuicideCow> During the boot you will see these DOS like messages saying if the devices are working ( [OK] ) Understand?
[23:24] <evil_tech> yeah
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Well, one of those messages told me that i had to update my Bios in order to get ACPI to work
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Could that be the problem ?
[23:24] <evil_tech> could be
[23:24] <evil_tech> it probably is using APM and that is causing the problem
[23:24] <zoredache> eh?  I love the alternate cd.  What do have against it?
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Well, i searched the forum, and booted the live disk with the    acpi=off function(or something like that)
[23:24] <evil_tech> at the boot screen you can tell it not to load ACPI
[23:24] <SuicideCow> I did
[23:25] <SuicideCow> Didn fixed it however
[23:25] <evil_tech> i also think there is a failsafe mode which loads as little hardware as possible
[23:25] <evil_tech> other than that i
[23:25] <evil_tech> would try the alternate install
[23:25] <evil_tech> its my prefered install method
[23:26] <SuicideCow> Oh ok, im downloading the Alternate CD now :P
[23:26] <SuicideCow> Ill give the laptop another reboot and see what commands work :D
[23:26] <SuicideCow> The alternate CD download is ready in 75 Minutes
[23:26] <evil_tech> :D
[23:27] <SuicideCow> Ok, im at the Xubuntu boot screen now
[23:27] <SuicideCow> How do i fail safe boot?
[23:27] <SuicideCow> I already did a memory check
[23:27] <evil_tech> umm i think it is in the F3 menu
[23:27] <evil_tech> could be thinking of the DSL boot commands
[23:28] <SuicideCow> Ok, and what is this OEM Installation( For developers ) for?
[23:28] <zoredache> it lets you build a text file that gives you a completely automated install
[23:28] <SuicideCow> lol
[23:28] <SuicideCow> Useless :P
[23:28] <zoredache> so if you wanted to install ubuntu on 1000 computers you wouldn't have to type anything
[23:28] <zoredache> not really
[23:28] <SuicideCow> cool :p
[23:29] <evil_tech> i use that at work
[23:29] <zoredache> I was installing it in a computer lab at a schooo...
[23:29] <SuicideCow> by the way, F3 is for the Keymap option
[23:29] <evil_tech> one of the reasons i love the alternate install
[23:29] <SuicideCow> :p i Have ubuntu on my secondary PC, had no problems with it, but that PC wasn THAT old :p
[23:32] <SuicideCow> Ok...I can't seem to find any option to boot in fai lsafe mode
[23:33] <SuicideCow> Found it think, same way i fixed the installation of my Ubuntu
[23:33] <evil_tech> i must have got it confused with DSL then
[23:33] <SuicideCow> There is a option, listen
[23:33] <SuicideCow> Workaround faulty FPU (old machines)  no387
[23:33] <SuicideCow> I did it on my other PC ( P3 1 Ghz) and it worked
[23:34] <SuicideCow> It only takes 2 minutes to boot :P
[23:34] <evil_tech> try it
[23:34] <SuicideCow> I also found this:
[23:34] <evil_tech> anyone know when Fluxbuntu is supposed to be available for download?
[23:34] <SuicideCow> What is Fluxbuntu?
[23:34] <evil_tech> ubuntu that uses Fluxbox as the WM
[23:34] <Mark76> Ubuntu with the fLUXBOX WINDOWS MANAGER
[23:35] <SuicideCow> aha
[23:35] <SuicideCow> Im rather new to Ubuntu so :p
[23:35] <Mark76> God, I wish they'd shove the bloody capslock where the sun doesn't shine
[23:35] <SuicideCow> I prefer Mac however, but i have a Windows :p
[23:36] <SuicideCow> Hm...something is happening :D
[23:37] <SuicideCow> I just now see a black screen with a blinking cursor :P
[23:37] <Mark76> How are you posting here then?
[23:37] <SuicideCow> This is my uber PC
[23:37] <evil_tech> define uber
[23:37] <SuicideCow> Im installing it on a friends laptop right next to me
[23:37] <SuicideCow> Core 2 duo ^^ :p
[23:38] <Mark76> Aha
[23:38] <SuicideCow> This is fun
[23:38] <SuicideCow> Now the screen has gone all black
[23:38] <Mark76> Cool
[23:38] <SuicideCow> Atleast it isn't a BSOD
[23:39] <Mark76> How did you start the install?
[23:39] <SuicideCow> With the live cd, then Extra options and added no387 to the boot command
[23:39] <SuicideCow> but it isn doing anything anymore, so im going to try something else
[23:40] <Mark76> What's no387?
[23:40] <SuicideCow> I have no idea
[23:40] <SuicideCow> It should be a workaround for a Faulty FPU
[23:40] <Mark76> Then why did you add it?
[23:40] <SuicideCow> because the help option told me :P
[23:40] <SuicideCow> And because it worked for my ubuntu install
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Now trying with noapic nolapic
[23:41] <Mark76> Okay
[23:41] <Mark76> It's not a Toshiba is it?
[23:41] <SuicideCow> No it is an Acer
[23:41] <evil_tech> i still say alternate install would be the best bet. anything under 400mhz and less than 256mb live cd install just doesnt seem to work
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Acer TravelMate 517TE
[23:41] <Mark76> Okay
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Oh
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Well, the alternate CD should be ready in....
[23:42] <SuicideCow> 58 minutes
[23:42] <Mark76> What's the most recent generation of PCs before the current one?
[23:42] <evil_tech> on what platform AMD or Intel?
[23:42] <SuicideCow> I don't know, i suppose this laptop is about 10 years old
[23:42] <SuicideCow> Intel
[23:42] <SuicideCow> Pentium 2
[23:42] <Mark76> Lol
[23:42] <Mark76> :p
[23:42] <SuicideCow> My friend found it in a unit ( if you know what i mean)
[23:43] <Mark76> Intel
[23:43] <Mark76> Or AMD
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Don't give me the Intel sucks story :p
[23:43] <evil_tech> think it is 886?
[23:43] <Mark76> Just as long as it's new enough to run Sims2
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Haha
[23:43] <SuicideCow> I don't play the sims
[23:43] <Mark76> And XP
[23:43] <SuicideCow> It is too slow for Xp :p
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Believe me, i tried it
[23:44] <SuicideCow> Took 5 minutes to log in
[23:44] <Mark76> Oh. And how do I activate 3D effects in Xubuntu?
[23:44] <SuicideCow> Ehm....
[23:44] <evil_tech> ive gotten xp to run decent on 366 and 256
[23:44] <SuicideCow> wow
[23:44] <evil_tech> just have to strip everything
[23:45] <SuicideCow> I prefer linux over windows for slower machines, they seem to run a lot better
[23:45] <Mark76> How much can you strip out of XP and still ahve it functioning?
[23:45] <evil_tech> yeah that is why im excited about Fluxbuntu
[23:45] <SuicideCow> What does force_adrr=oxaddr mean?
[23:45] <evil_tech> quite alot
[23:45] <evil_tech> lot of services that dont have to run
[23:45] <SuicideCow> lol
[23:45] <evil_tech> you lose some functionality of course
[23:45] <Mark76> Because I have a friend who I'm trying to persuade to go Linux but she wants to keep XP for gaming
[23:46] <SuicideCow> I just got a message during boot, it was testing everything, and it was somewhere in the middle saying: Upgrade bios for acpi bla bla bla
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Lol
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Xubuntu seems to work now
[23:46] <evil_tech> have you tried a BIOS update?
[23:46] <SuicideCow> No
[23:46] <SuicideCow> It is too old for that :P
[23:46] <evil_tech> why keep xp for gaming. most games will run virtualized in linux pretty decent
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Mwa
[23:47] <evil_tech> particualrly on the latest gen of procs
[23:47] <SuicideCow> If i have to choose i choose mac, i love mac :p
[23:47] <SuicideCow> but they are so expensive
[23:47] <SuicideCow> huh?
[23:47] <SuicideCow> By xubuntu background is now green instead of blue :D
[23:48] <evil_tech> not too bad. considering what I paid for my FX-53 4 years ago i can get 4 times the processing power for half the price
[23:48] <SuicideCow> and the trashbin is purple
[23:48] <evil_tech> lol
[23:48] <SuicideCow> But still no taskbars
[23:48] <SuicideCow> crappy crap
[23:48] <evil_tech> are you sure the screen resolution is not too big?
[23:48] <SuicideCow> Im sure, i put it to VGA mode
[23:48] <Mark76> I love Blobwars :D
[23:48] <SuicideCow> I can move the mouse however
[23:49] <evil_tech> yeah that would have taken care of it
[23:49] <SuicideCow> and click, but nothing happenes
[23:49] <evil_tech> whats blobwars?
[23:49] <Mark76> >:o
[23:49] <SuicideCow> A build in Xubuntu game?
[23:49] <Mark76> Look it up in the repos
[23:49] <evil_tech> doing that now
[23:49] <SuicideCow> WOOT
[23:49] <SuicideCow> I see a loading icon :D
[23:49] <SuicideCow> And a window
[23:49] <SuicideCow> But still no taskbars
[23:50] <SuicideCow> im now in the "Example"Folder
[23:50] <evil_tech> well if it is up and running you could technically start the installer from the terminal
[23:50] <SuicideCow> I give it some troubleshooting first
[23:51] <SuicideCow> Let'see if i can play some funky music :D
[23:51] <SuicideCow> Totem media player seems to work as well
[23:51] <SuicideCow> It does
[23:52] <SuicideCow> Still no bars at the top and the bottom
[23:52] <SuicideCow> Ok, i know how to open the terminal, what now?
[23:53] <evil_tech> Mark76 is ubiquity still the installer?
[23:53] <Mark76> Ubiquity?
[23:53] <SuicideCow> How do i start the installer from the terminal ?
[23:54] <evil_tech> SuicideCow try sudo ubiquity
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Ok
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Thans
[23:54] <evil_tech> i think that is what the installer is called
[23:54] <evil_tech> dunno if it changed though
[23:54] <SuicideCow> What a name :)
[23:54] <SuicideCow> It is loading like hell now
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Atleast it is pretending to do
[23:54] <Mark76> Did you check out blobwars, evil?
[23:54] <evil_tech> installing now
[23:54] <evil_tech> net is slow
[23:55] <Mark76> Excellente
[23:55] <SuicideCow> Crap
[23:55] <SuicideCow> I minimized the terminal, and now i can't find it anymore :P
[23:55] <evil_tech> alt tab
[23:55] <SuicideCow> There it is, the install window just appeared :)
[23:56] <Mark76> Yay
[23:56] <SuicideCow> Wich location should i choose
[23:56] <SuicideCow> I prefer "No localization":p
[23:56] <evil_tech> where do you live
[23:56] <evil_tech> pick the closest lovation
[23:56] <SuicideCow> Holland, i choose dutch :)
[23:56] <SuicideCow> I know, i was just joking
[23:57] <SuicideCow> Thanks guys, it seems to be working now
[23:57] <SuicideCow> Atleast the installer is
[23:57] <Mark76> Keep us updated
[23:58] <SuicideCow> I think it was a smarter decision to burn the disc at 12x speed instead of 4x xD
[23:58] <evil_tech> this game rocks
[23:59] <Mark76> :D
[23:59] <Mark76> I knew you'd love it
[23:59] <Mark76> It's wonderfully retro, eh?
[23:59] <evil_tech> well my productivity for the day is in the tank :D