[01:45] !broadcom [01:45] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [02:14] * DaSkreech tries to crash this computer [02:27] Evening [02:30] hi [02:35] hello [03:04] Evening Jucato [03:04] Well morning for u [03:05] Half asleep [03:05] * Jucato overslept :( [03:06] hi jjesse! [03:06] good evening [03:06] * DaSkreech waves [03:07] hi DaSkreech [03:07] Wow i' lovin my nokia [03:07] 810? [03:07] n810-??!?! [03:07] 800 :( [03:08] aw.. [03:09] but still nice [03:10] hmm...my brain is still booting to make sense of anything... [03:12] * DaSkreech hands Jucato coffee [03:12] .. thanks... I guess... [03:13] * DaSkreech hands Jucato genii's coffee [03:14] better :) [03:14] * genii hands DaSkreech the coffeemaker [03:15] * DaSkreech grumblesa bout being Jamacan so people always want Blue mountain coffee [03:15] genii: but aren't you the coffee maker? [03:15] DaSkreech: :) Awesome coffee tho [03:15] Jucato: No no... I am the coffee consumer [03:15] ah [03:16] Hey has anyone tried to get cipux installed on ubuntu? It keeps complaining to me [03:18] I guess not then :) [03:19] What cipux? [03:19] * genii waits for the coffee to perk [03:19] DaSkreech: Basically a web gui admin tool. since webmin will no longer be provided. [03:19] Yay! [03:20] genii: If you're looking for one of those, ebox is the one that Ubuntu is planning on providing for Hardy. [03:21] ScottK: Ah, OK. Debian and Debian-edu are packaging cipux right now. [03:21] But it's still not there yet [03:21] OK. soren is working on ebox. He can generally be found in #ubuntu-server [03:21] ScottK: Thanks === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:35] dang looiks like my schedule for friday just changed :( [03:35] boo [03:35] :( [03:37] #ubuntu-home-server ? [03:41] DaSkreech: Me? [03:42] Dunno [03:42] Just occured to me that existed at some point [03:42] I think the project is dead [03:42] no matter [03:43] Ah OK [03:43] I thought it ill planned and ill fated in any case [03:55] oi oi [03:56] you are jewish? [03:56] I guess [03:57] jjesse: go ahead and do the bzr stuff...you know it better than I do anyways :) [03:57] there, no fighting :) [03:57] nixternal: grin thanks i think [03:57] hehe [03:58] just trying to tfigure out what i am now responsible for doing :P) [03:58] ya, cuz I definitely had no clue :) [03:58] haha [03:58] * Jucato waves to nixternal.... [04:01] nixternal: houses sell for less than acrs in Chicago? [04:01] cars [04:02] I wish [04:02] houses are super expensive here [04:03] I think the census showed the average price of a house in Chicago was over $500k [04:04] Hmm [04:05] well the news lied then :) [04:05] Wait [04:05] it was detroit [04:05] not chicago [04:05] Sorry never mind :) [04:05] * DaSkreech kicks kopete again [04:08] heh, ya Detroit isn't pretty [04:08] no one lives in detroit any more [04:08] you want pretty, out by where jjesse lives is [04:08] I know have you seen pics? [04:08] they'v all moved out [04:08] The hotel? [04:08] But the net sucks there [04:08] I think Benton Harbor is worse than Detroit honestly [04:09] grin not in a hotel this week, actually home [04:09] benton harlem? [04:09] DaSkreech: you comming out to Boston? [04:09] possibly [04:10] I'm being coereced into moving to the states so I might as well choose somewhere [04:10] nice, i'm hanging out there all week [04:11] yeah chicago is prettier... nixternal has a landfill that looks like a beautiful mountain from afar [04:11] lol Jucato [04:11] lol [04:12] DaSkreech: you are in Jamaica now right? [04:12] yup [04:12] where at? [04:12] Stupid IP address keeps giving it away ;-P [04:12] no, you told me a long time ago you lived there [04:12] :-) [04:13] Yeah [04:13] jamaica estates... [04:13] Jamaica rocks! [04:13] * Jucato thinks his brain is beginning to boot [04:13] w/o a doubt my favorite carribean spot [04:13] u be jammin' [04:13] Jucato: so it takes awhile for a cold boot? :) [04:14] jjesse: longer than nixternal's vista [04:14] :) [04:14] my vista is broke [04:14] wow i heard he booted that up friday and it is still working on it :) [04:14] ow :( [04:14] my vista works better then my ubuntu sometims [04:14] more broken than usual? [04:15] Jucato: I formatted it and put Debian, Kubuntu, and Foresight on it [04:15] gave the DVD to my dad [04:15] :) [04:15] that's illegal right? :P [04:16] it really annoyed me, and I figured 500GBs for Linux is better than 80GB for Windows [04:16] Jucato: yup, but do I care? [04:16] of course not. I don't either :P [04:16] I think it is illegal just to open the box [04:16] * Jucato wonders if it's illegal to just talk to nixternal... [04:17] speaking of vista...did you all see the "Ubuntu Still Sucks" post on InfoWorld? [04:17] nixternal: btw, were you around at the Q&A last night (this morning?)? [04:17] I wrote the CEO telling him to stop the idiots from posting [04:17] Jucato: I was afk all day [04:17] nixternal: then this is for you :) http://rafb.net/p/BQrMKc19.html [04:18] are you handling tomorrow's (later?) Kubuntu session? or Tonio? [04:19] nixternal: is [04:19] damn, you and Hobbsee pwnd him [04:19] I think Tonio is [04:19] but I will be around hopefully just in case [04:19] want me to ask the million peso question again? :D [04:19] no [04:20] :) [04:20] nixternal: didn't i read on your blog that you were doing a talk? [04:20] I did one yesterday [04:20] jjesse: he did. [04:20] nixternal: You came here? [04:20] and I missed it :( [04:20] one possibly tomorrow if Tonio doesn't show, and then the Documentation one on Saturday [04:20] DaSkreech: many a times [04:20] * jjesse is at in-laws on saturday and will miss it [04:20] Ubuntu still sucks btw :) [04:21] hahaha [04:21] how crazy is this, sunday morning i'm driving home from detroit, packing for boston and then flying grand rapids -> detroit -> boston :( [04:21] nixternal: damn you Why didn't you tell me?! [04:21] didn't know you then? [04:21] what yoda? [04:21] yoda? [04:21] been to Montego a few times, Negril a few times, and Ocho Rios one time [04:21] nixternal sounded like yoda [04:22] hahaha [04:22] Jucato: didn't get the one as to why he installed Kubuntu on his desktop? [04:22] yeah forgot to... [04:22] * Jucato looks at his logs [04:22] basically it's cause the rest of his family likes the iwndows look and he just needs the shell so he doesn't have to look at gui much [04:23] he was answering HUGE numbers of questions though [04:23] oh yeah [04:25] i have other folks at home who are used to windows, and it's a bit more similar [04:25] dang i missed that part [04:25] I should reread that [04:26] he answered something about games that I missed [04:26] also, i wanted to be familiar with both [04:26] * jjesse bed [04:26] and for development purposes, i just need a shell [04:26] and vim, of course :-) [04:27] I didn't understand that last 2 though.. [04:30] he doesn't need the interface so having it doesn't bother him [04:30] that's.... hm.... [04:30] I would assume that he knows Mez so he couldn't think that Mez was _accusing_ him of using Kubuntu [04:30] but the answer sure comes off sounding like that [04:31] * Jucato will take early lunch to cool off... [04:31] It's hot? [04:43] Hmm. sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart when firefox is working on getting the index.html immediately black-screens my box with capslock/scrolllock flashing. [04:43] Every time [04:43] wow, that is a new one [04:44] searching launchpad to see if it's known [04:45] http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/ [04:45] there is some good bathroom reading [04:50] this is my favorite comment, and it is in one of his microshaft posts [04:50] Yes, it's really hard to be productive with Ubuntu, specially because it offers you the option of working with four different desktops at the same time, because of the eye candy effects from Compiz Fusion, because of the indexed search it offers... Yes, I agree with you, Ubuntu is horrible, and working with Vista is like being in heaven! lol [04:50] pwnd [05:03] ah [05:03] desktops [05:03] As in workspaces [05:03] I was thinking ok. One X server with Gnome one with KDe one iwth Xfce ... umm one with Education? [05:05] heh, yes workspace [05:05] s [05:05] at our release party this weekend, we stuck a 7.10 CD into one of the schools computers, an older Gateway, Celeron 2.0ghz I think...which XP was dead slow on [05:06] well some of the guys started messing with compiz, and had like between 30 and 50 workspaces setup [05:06] they just sat there and spun the cube to where it looked like a circle spinning, and never once did the computer slow down or crash...that totally impressed me and everyone there [05:07] I will admit, the default setup for Compiz in Ubuntu is perfect [05:07] I would definitely vote on having it in our next release of Kubuntu [05:12] * DaSkreech grumbles [05:13] * DaSkreech kicks stupid compiz [05:21] I gues it will be useful for the kubuntu-d3sktop package [05:35] nixternal: we'd have to make sure that we have a workable Compiz setup on KDE... specially when it comes to getting Compiz and Kicker to work together properly [05:35] kicker and pager [05:35] yep those 2 [05:35] virtual desktops [05:35] and i feel like you're losing something with using compiz instead of kwin [05:36] there are just all these little things that kwin does nicely [05:36] (changing resolutions not being one of them... ) [05:37] considering kwin is made specially for kde, not surprising... I just wish Compiz made sure that worked :) [05:39] Jucato: are you coming to UDS and/or FOSScamp? [05:39] neither [05:40] Wasn't metacity made just for gnome? [05:40] Jucato and I are holding out until we get our paychecks! [05:40] hahahahaha [05:40] * DaSkreech hats Kopete :-( [05:40] hahah [05:40] check out OpenBox [05:40] it is pretty slick, for both Gnome and KDE [05:40] Yeah I know there are loads of window managers [05:40] Before KDE thats' all there was [05:41] not true [05:41] CDE ftw! :D [05:41] haha yup [05:41] There was a CDE for Linux? [05:42] can I nuke Kopete? >-( [05:42] I changed my Font colour and now I can't change it back [05:42] holy smokes, check out XPDE [05:43] hahaha [05:43] that thing again? hasn't it died a horrible death yet? [05:43] I have to admit, that is a pretty good idea in some use cases [05:49] DaSkreech: Just rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete then open it again [05:49] Why can't I set it back? [05:49] DaSkreech: close the app before you rm that file [05:50] I have every colour setting to black and it's still white [05:51] DaSkreech: I don't know why it won't let you set it back from inside kopete. But instructions given will return it to factory settings [05:51] * DaSkreech does mv [05:52] DaSkreech: Did you hit f5 key after you made changes? Could be screen did not refresh [05:54] .o0(Nope that made it worse) [05:55] DaSkreech: Make some other change which should appear as obviously changed then try f5 again to see if it takes [05:57] Everything chnges except the font [05:58] oh wow, Kubuntu LiveCD for Gutsy, the first ever distro to work with my 21" widescreen monitor out of the box [05:59] I guess it's time to install pidgin [06:00] DaSkreech: that's the only program where i still prefer the gtk alternative [06:00] yay kubuntu? [06:00] :) [06:00] Yeah I keep giving Kopete one more chance [06:00] unfortunately it didn't get much love for 4.0 [06:00] I think it's dead to me till It grows up to Qt4 [06:00] I know [06:00] Kopete has recently stopped working with MSN, dumping core on me when I try to connect to my account [06:01] But I really can't be bothered to find out why changing the font oclour changes any other random setting except the font [06:01] Pitabred: known bug, fix committed (afaik) [06:01] Ahhh. I haven't seen the update come through, unless it was in the latest kdelibs update [06:01] I haven't tried reconnecting to MSN since then [06:01] Anywho, I'm gone. Thanks, Jucato [06:02] it was [06:02] (should be) [06:04] Ok [06:04] apparently people on the other side see black now even though I'm still white on white [06:04] Guess I'll just type more carefully [06:07] word has it that Foresight will release a beta of their KDE distro by the end of this week [06:08] kool... [06:08] * Jucato wonders what it looks like.. green too? :D [06:08] more than likely [06:08] I just asked their devs why it has been so hush hush with poor documentation thus far [06:10] btw, just saw the new packaging guide wiki.... haven't really read much yet, but looks nice so far... glad it's being showed some loving love :) [06:12] Anyone recall what the proposal for grumpy was? [06:13] iirc sabdfl answered it with something like the PPA [06:14] He said the PPA would be the a good start for implementing grumpy [06:14] I guess grumpy == Sid [06:15] I took it to mean that PPA is practically what Grumpy is [06:15] [for those not in the know, Grumpy is about building daily packages from upstream] [06:15] DaSkreech: similar to sid, yes [06:15] it has been vaporware though for like 2 years hasn't it? [06:15] Yeah [06:15] I guess PPAs are the solution [06:15] Doesn't Suse already have something like that? [06:16] dunno [06:16] yeah. [06:16] build-something [06:16] nixternal: Interestingly I have an IBM p200 monitor which i made a homemade adapter to from Sun to DVI and Gutsy saw it right off [06:16] oh ya, that thing can build a package for almost any distro [06:17] it's also what binner is using to build his KDE 4 Live CD's... [06:17] build-dep? bwahahah [06:17] I have tried all of the latest releases on this machine, openSUSE, Fedora, PCLOS, and then some...not one of them configured it correctly, and the easiest one to configure was PCLOS [06:18] Build Service [06:18] which you hate the most right? [06:18] bui ya [06:18] hehe [06:18] Jucato: ya [06:18] I've yet to come across a distro that detected and configured everything perfectly for my desktop or my laptop... [06:18] the reason I hate it, is because it does such a huge injustice the free software, and because it is a turd in speed compared to anything [06:18] I'm waiting for my gusty cd to install it on the laptop [06:19] !info smolt [06:19] Package smolt does not exist in gutsy [06:19] !info smolt hardy [06:19] the *buntu's work fine with my lappy [06:19] Package smolt does not exist in hardy [06:19] most distros do [06:19] damn [06:19] nixternal: gobuntu! [06:19] what is it? if it is good and viable I will install it [06:19] Gobuntu needs work [06:19] nixternal: in Feisty, always on a new install, the full touchpad functions don't work. I have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [06:20] after that, it works fine [06:20] What is what nixternal? [06:20] smolt [06:20] hardware database thingy [06:20] ahh, Fedora's thing...ya [06:20] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/ [06:21] opensuse on the other hand, does the touchpad perfectly, but never detects the correct resolution for my laptop... 10.2 and 10.3 [06:21] It looks great [06:21] andit's a perfect base for Knoware [06:21] infoware... [06:22] knoware sounds like a badly-named KDE app :) [06:22] you know, like knowit? :D [06:22] It is :) [06:23] http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html [06:23] ah [06:23] knoware sounds like a badly-named KDE app :) [06:28] interesting information though [06:28] I would love to see the source of how they are using the inductive logic [06:28] that is hard stuff [06:51] * genii sips a nutrition shake and ponders seduc....er inductive logic [06:51] Ok [06:52] that's the most backward set of logic I've ever seen [06:52] KDEvs Gnome discussion [06:52] Which devolves into I don't like how they name apps why do they have so many Ks? [06:52] And someone says how much they love Open source since KDE4 is going to run on Windows [06:53] he has a Mac cause one day they will be a near fully open platform [06:53] ??????????????????? [06:53] X ran on windows for a long time now [06:53] Yeah cygwin [06:53] but Mac.. a ptotential open platform? [06:53] no [06:54] not cygwin [06:54] how the heck did he come to that conclusion as a reason to use macs? [06:54] Xming for example [06:55] Well, Apple has promise. They DID make all MacOS under 8 free [06:55] This CUPS thing tho I dunno [06:56] I can get the source for MacOS 8? [06:56] free, not open sourced [06:56] You can download up to macos 7.5.5 from Apple without cost [06:56] I use it on Basilisk2 emulator [06:56] he said open [06:57] In anycase it just occured to me that sabdfl is right [06:57] I said they had promise. I didn't say they opensourced anything yet :) [06:57] CEOs have nothing on open source project managers [06:57] How is that promise? [06:58] Free as in beer is still just free beer [06:58] which as we know is graet for upbuliding and making great progressive strides [06:59] Has MSFT made even Win 3.1 free? No [06:59] That still means that MS is giving out soda and apple is giving out beer [06:59] none of them have at all looked at speech [07:00] nixternal: installed Fedora? [07:01] @time toronto [07:01] Current time in America/Toronto: October 25 2007, 02:01:08 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 5 days [07:01] gave it a shot, yes [07:01] nixternal: how many CDs does it take up? [07:01] Bleh. alarm in 4.5 hours [07:01] * Jucato wonders why nixternal is still awake... [07:01] 1am [07:01] gonna crash here in a few..I was tweaking my new system [07:02] Good night all, I gotta go [07:02] 1am here too [07:07] I wonder how big Debian is [07:08] how big? depends on what you download [07:10] Binaries [07:12] I mean, 1 CD? 1 DVD? all? [07:24] All of it [07:24] 5 DVD's afaik [07:36] It was 23 last time I looked [07:37] maybe 23 CD's? [07:37] * Jucato shrugs [07:38] Oh wait that might have been it [07:38] I was trying to figure out where I went wrong :) [07:39] ok still smaller than A BluRay [07:39] heh [07:39] * Jucato heads for an afternoon nap [07:45] GNOME sucks, just because Ubuntu uses it doesn't make it the most used. Yes Ubuntu is good but wait until a native KDE4 version of Kubuntu and then you will cry at how awesome it is. [08:00] * DaSkreech follows Jucato's lead [10:21] hi there [11:03] hi [11:05] hi Tonio_! you taking the Kubuntu session later? [11:06] Jucato: argh ! [11:06] better poke nixternal if you ain't ready :P [11:06] Jucato: hum I was supposed to.... [11:06] hahah [11:06] Jucato: well the point is that I have to go in a meeting for work [11:06] I just learned about that [11:06] nixternal: ping ? ;) [11:07] bwahahah :) [11:07] Jucato: there is a kin of emergency and I have to be there, I can't just say no to this....; [11:07] Jucato: it's not that funny, believe me [11:07] oh sorry :( [11:07] * Jucato shuts up now... [11:08] Jucato: no big deal :) [11:08] Jucato: just that when you promiss to do something and at the last moment you have to decline.....; [11:09] Jucato: it is one of the things I consider the most uncomortable [11:09] it can't be helped though... :( [11:09] but I think nixternal is prepared to be Plan B just in case [11:10] Jucato: well I told him I wasn't sure I could be there..... looked that I was right [11:11] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what kind of session is it? [11:11] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [11:12] just a general "About Kubuntu" session. I think nixternal made it into a Q&A sort of thing last time [11:12] I wasn't there... hard waking up at 5am when the weather's all so cold :) [11:14] Jucato: I wasn't even there, I've been to buzy those last days [11:14] _StefanS_: yop ;) [11:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah ok [11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I havent looked at the icon business yet.. [11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: actually, did you see my replies to the bug on kdmtheme? [11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I tested on a standard kubuntu install, and it worked without problems. It seems like it might be problematic when ppl have been editing the kdm files manually (as I see it) [11:16] _StefanS_: well I installed my syste 2 weeks ago, I have the issues [11:17] _StefanS_: I just can't seem to change the theme [11:17] no way to click "ok" for me [11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: are the issues those described in the bug aswell ? [11:17] yep [11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like the checkbox not selected and such [11:17] _StefanS_: library missin or something ? [11:17] _StefanS_: yep those issues, lemme loo again [11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I would like to solve it, but cant replicate the bug [11:18] _StefanS_: do you use it inside or outside systemsettings ? [11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: inside system settings [11:18] _StefanS_: hu ? just tested ant it works now...... [11:18] wtf ? [11:18] <_StefanS_> hehe [11:19] <_StefanS_> like magic. [11:19] _StefanS_: lemme try outside [11:20] _StefanS_: hum it works..... [11:20] _StefanS_: dunno if maybe the fix is due to latest kdelibs update [11:20] _StefanS_: super strange btw [11:20] <_StefanS_> well it might be something outside that broke it to start with [11:20] <_StefanS_> like kdelibs you mentioned [11:20] _StefanS_: yeah, just seems to work for me.... [11:21] _StefanS_: I'll add comments on the bug [11:21] <_StefanS_> cool [11:21] <_StefanS_> thanks. [11:21] _StefanS_: don't waste your time on this one, better fix kdesudo hehe :) [11:21] nixternal: i'll stay here until 3pm [11:21] means 2pm utc [11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll do that [11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno when, but the aim is hardy still (?) [11:22] nixternal: I'll then have to go, so by advance : i'm sorry for not beeing there due to meeting planned at work I just learned..... [11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: see you [11:22]