[03:42] <troy_s> iPhoto -- which supports most raw formats, uses dcraw.
[10:19] <darkmatter> I've offically gone insane... -.-
[11:21] <lapo> hi
[11:54] <elkbuntu> good to see the artwork wiki space might be a little better organised this time around...
[16:38] <mhb> hello artwork masters, do you have any recommendations on books or literature (websites, etc) on icon design that may be helpful for beginners?
[16:39]  * mhb would like to learn more about icon design, but doesn't know where to start
[16:40] <nothlit> tango.freedesktop.org
[16:40] <nothlit> kde-artists might have a bit
[16:41] <nothlit> mhb: are you speaking of general icon design, creating your own theme, or creating application icons that follow tango guidelines???
[16:41] <nothlit> i would start by learning how to draw, and familiarising yourself with inkscape
[16:41] <mhb> nothlit: general icon design, I guess
[16:41] <nothlit> you can open up the svgs and dissect them from the themes and icons that you like
[16:42] <nothlit> icons can be 80% concept sometimes, depending
[16:42] <nothlit> besides that, its just knowing how visible things are at small sizes, and scaling etc
[16:44] <mhb> hmm, learning how to draw would be the hardest thing for me, I guess.
[16:44] <mhb> thanks for the tips, nothlit
[17:11] <mhb> are there any Human theme interface Guidelines on the net?
[17:12] <mhb> icon, especially
[17:16] <nothlit> human was created entirely by an icon design firm
[17:16] <nothlit> there are no guidelines that we have for it
[17:21] <mhb> nothlit: have we asked them about it?
[17:26] <troy_s> mhb: There are none
[17:26] <troy_s> mhb: It is the work of exactly one fellow at IconFactory -- and considering that he would take his cues from higher up, you can expect zero as Ubuntu's higher level design is well... non-existent.
[17:29] <mhb> yummy, reverse engineering
[17:29] <troy_s> LOL
[17:30] <troy_s> mhb: Assuming there is enough of a body of work within the Human iconset to build outwards from.
[17:30] <mhb> by the way, do you do graphics (in inkscape for example) with tablets?
[17:30] <troy_s> mhb: Some do.
[17:31] <troy_s> mhb: Not terribly relevant for 'drawing' if you aren't familiar with illustration etc.  That said, there are many a professional environment (Technicolour for example) that use tablets for ease of workflow (dust removal / touching / etc.)
[17:31] <troy_s> mhb: Inkscape can be powerful even for the pedantic -- draw a straight line with mouse, twiddle, etc.
[17:32] <troy_s> mhb: If it works for you -- do it.  The Wacom Bamboo line is very affordable and very good -- in fact at least as good as the Int line minus 512 levels of sensitivity and angle sensitivity (not terribly relevant to most people)
[17:37] <mhb> evil lags .o)
[17:39] <nothlit> i only use a mouse in inkscape, but i might be a tad obsessed with clean splines
[17:39] <nothlit> i think you can have a perfectly good workflow if you sketch on paper before transposing
[17:41] <troy_s> mhb: You might be interested to try a Bamboo tablet.
[17:41] <troy_s> mhb: For some, the workflow increases dramatically.  For others, not so much.
[17:41] <troy_s> mhb: Best off... they won't break your budget.
[17:42] <mhb> troy_s: thanks!
[17:42] <mhb> to both of you for the hints
[17:43] <mhb> do you know if the dholbach's page on icon comparison between human/tangerine/tango is still running?
[17:44] <nothlit> i would think so
[17:44] <troy_s> mhb: I fear Daniel has been sucked into a higher level of busy-ness.
[17:44] <troy_s> mhb: So I wouldn't rely on it too heavily -- heck.  Everyone misses Daniel's day to day help.