[03:42] iPhoto -- which supports most raw formats, uses dcraw. [10:19] I've offically gone insane... -.- [11:21] hi [11:54] good to see the artwork wiki space might be a little better organised this time around... [16:38] hello artwork masters, do you have any recommendations on books or literature (websites, etc) on icon design that may be helpful for beginners? [16:39] * mhb would like to learn more about icon design, but doesn't know where to start [16:40] tango.freedesktop.org [16:40] kde-artists might have a bit [16:41] mhb: are you speaking of general icon design, creating your own theme, or creating application icons that follow tango guidelines??? [16:41] i would start by learning how to draw, and familiarising yourself with inkscape [16:41] nothlit: general icon design, I guess [16:41] you can open up the svgs and dissect them from the themes and icons that you like [16:42] icons can be 80% concept sometimes, depending [16:42] besides that, its just knowing how visible things are at small sizes, and scaling etc [16:44] hmm, learning how to draw would be the hardest thing for me, I guess. [16:44] thanks for the tips, nothlit [17:11] are there any Human theme interface Guidelines on the net? [17:12] icon, especially [17:16] human was created entirely by an icon design firm [17:16] there are no guidelines that we have for it [17:21] nothlit: have we asked them about it? [17:26] mhb: There are none [17:26] mhb: It is the work of exactly one fellow at IconFactory -- and considering that he would take his cues from higher up, you can expect zero as Ubuntu's higher level design is well... non-existent. [17:29] yummy, reverse engineering [17:29] LOL [17:30] mhb: Assuming there is enough of a body of work within the Human iconset to build outwards from. [17:30] by the way, do you do graphics (in inkscape for example) with tablets? [17:30] mhb: Some do. [17:31] mhb: Not terribly relevant for 'drawing' if you aren't familiar with illustration etc. That said, there are many a professional environment (Technicolour for example) that use tablets for ease of workflow (dust removal / touching / etc.) [17:31] mhb: Inkscape can be powerful even for the pedantic -- draw a straight line with mouse, twiddle, etc. [17:32] mhb: If it works for you -- do it. The Wacom Bamboo line is very affordable and very good -- in fact at least as good as the Int line minus 512 levels of sensitivity and angle sensitivity (not terribly relevant to most people) === mhb_ is now known as mhb [17:37] evil lags .o) [17:39] i only use a mouse in inkscape, but i might be a tad obsessed with clean splines [17:39] i think you can have a perfectly good workflow if you sketch on paper before transposing [17:41] mhb: You might be interested to try a Bamboo tablet. [17:41] mhb: For some, the workflow increases dramatically. For others, not so much. [17:41] mhb: Best off... they won't break your budget. [17:42] troy_s: thanks! [17:42] to both of you for the hints [17:43] do you know if the dholbach's page on icon comparison between human/tangerine/tango is still running? [17:44] i would think so [17:44] mhb: I fear Daniel has been sucked into a higher level of busy-ness. [17:44] mhb: So I wouldn't rely on it too heavily -- heck. Everyone misses Daniel's day to day help.