[05:57] <thesysop> hi mobile
[11:40] <njende> Hi there! I've got some problems getting a HUAWEI USB E220 Easy Box to work. Would/Could anyone of you help?
[11:41] <mjg59> njende: This channel is for development of the Ubuntu mobile platform, not for support of Ubuntu and mobile phones
[11:41] <njende> ah, okay!sry
[11:41] <njende> is there a special channel for ubuntu and mobile devices?
[11:43] <njende> so, there is none
[11:46] <mjg59> njende: Not that I know of, I'm afraid
[14:34] <Blackgoth> is there a supported device list yet?
[14:34] <mjg59> Samsung Q1 Ultra and Intel Crown Beach development boards.
[14:35] <Blackgoth> okay :) ill put my htc and hp back then :p
[15:08] <smagoun> According to strace, launching the home plugin via ume-xephyr-start results in 1462 open() calls on /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache (which doesn't exist). That can't be good.
[16:44] <kyleN> anyone know whether/how we support input methods for asian and other keyboards?
[16:46] <bspencer> smagoun: we still don't have the theme and icons issues worked out.  
[16:46] <bspencer> esp wrt hildon-desktop
[17:38] <bspencer_> asac, cwong1_  question:  have you guys talked about timing for moving to gecko 1.9?  
[17:54] <cwong1_> bspencer_: not yet but I have ask jimmy to see if we can build midbrowser code with Firefox 3.0 source
[17:57] <bspencer_> cwong1_, thanks.
[18:13] <pat_mcgowan> bspencer, Is moving to gecko 1.9 part of the plan near term?
[18:14] <bspencer_> pat_mcgowan, "part of the plan" is as soon as we have time to do it, yes
[18:14] <bspencer_> I thikn FF 3.0 releases a stable version in November
[18:14] <bspencer_> and I don't know the scope of the work to moving to the new code base.
[18:14] <pat_mcgowan> bspencer, ok thats good to know, for zooming requirement
[18:14] <bspencer_> I heard that gecko 1.9 supports some ...
[18:14] <bspencer_> yes, you said it
[18:15] <bspencer> pat_mcgowan, have you played with zooming?
[18:17] <pat_mcgowan> no I have not
[18:17] <pat_mcgowan> I should
[18:18] <asac> bspencer: november? that would be a miracle ... there isn't even beta out iirc
[18:19] <asac> from what i know its more like january when 3.0 will be final ... so in time for hardy
[18:20] <bspencer> asac, ok.  my comment was based on old info.  I haven't looked at the current status.  
[18:20] <bspencer> asac, do you have any idea of the scope of moving to FF 3.0 for midbrowser?  
[18:20] <asac> bspencer: right ... i think november is on some wiki page or something and it hasn't been updated to reflect the truth
[18:20] <smagoun> FWIW, Firefox betas are generally shippable
[18:21] <asac> bspencer: i don't think its much work ... its actually doing the same we currently did for the chrome part ... and the hildon backend should just work
[18:22] <bspencer> asac,  I was thinking of the possibility of setting up a new project for midbrowser w/FF 3.0 that we could start hacking on
[18:22] <bspencer> one in the hand, one in the bush, so to speak
[18:22] <asac> bspencer: what are the release plans for UME? will there be a release in the mids of hardy development cycle? or will we release the first UME in synch with hardy?
[18:23] <asac> if its the latter I would say that we add those few feature that are really needed to 2.0 and then directly go ahead and start developing against 3.0
[18:24] <bspencer> asac, first /finished/ UME in hardy.  I've heard that there might be an intermediate Feb release for UME alpha/beta? ... I need to defer to others  on that.
[18:25] <bspencer> so I'm for definately for moving early.
[18:25] <asac> hmmm sounds a bit like its just following the Ubuntu release cycle ... we have alpha beta releases as well
[18:25] <pat_mcgowan> yes there are interim releases, and we have some OXM commitments before April
[18:25] <pat_mcgowan> but they also want the zooming in the browser 
[18:25] <asac> in any case ... if we are happy with current features of midbrowser, I would vote to put midbrowser from 2.0 branch into "maintenance" mode (e.g. just security updates) and move real development of features to 3.0
[18:26] <bspencer> major features are all sufficient
[18:26] <asac> i think the gconf feature should be added to 2.0 ... and maybe panning, but I am not sure how far cwong1_ get with the patch he found somewhere
[18:26] <bspencer> two things I'd like to fix before jumping...
[18:27] <bspencer> make icons at the bottom larger  (48x48), and fix the drop-down menu font to match other hildon apps.
[18:27] <asac> k ... which font is it?
[18:27] <bspencer> that would make it appear a little more integrated and be able to actually touch the icons with my finger.
[18:27] <asac> is that set or do you want that to be auto-detected?
[18:27] <bspencer> asac, cwong1_ and I were looking at the font.  We need to see if I just need to set something else in the theme
[18:28] <bspencer> it may not be a browser issue.
[18:29] <bspencer> so let us tinker with it for a day and we'll probably figure it out.   If I change my font on a normal desktop, FF changes appropriately, so I doubt it is FF code. 
[18:29] <asac> oh really?
[18:29] <asac> hmm ... if that applies to popups as well, then its certainly a hildon theme issue
[18:29] <bspencer> lots of popup elements are correctly themed, like button highlight and color
[18:30] <bspencer> but the button sizes are always small on FF 
[18:30] <bspencer> s/FF/midbrowser
[18:30] <bspencer> like "OK" and "Canel" and "Restore Session", etc.  The are short.
[18:31] <asac> ok ... can you try to verify if something improved in firefox-3.0 ?
[18:31] <asac> you can just install the firefox-3.0 package in gutsy from universe
[18:32] <bspencer> asac, I'll ask cwong1_ to check it out
[18:32] <asac> good
[18:32] <asac> will you be in boston?
[18:32] <bspencer> yes, Mon-Thu
[18:32] <cwong1_> bspencer, asac I have asked jimmy looking into this yesterday
[18:33] <cwong1_> asac: when u said patch above, did u mean patch to panning?
[18:33] <asac> cwong1_: yes
[18:34] <cwong1_> asac: the patch I found was for minimo
[18:34] <asac> cwong1_: you remember which parts of minimo did it touch? the minimo/ tree? or the gfx/ layout/ tree?
[18:35] <cwong1_> I believe it was in minimo tree. I will send u that info today
[18:35] <asac> cwong1_: good ... i will not have time to look into anything until sat or mon ... but maybe open a bug for that
[18:36] <cwong1_> that's fine
[18:36] <asac> ok ... so assuming that gconf patch is fine our todo until 2.0 final will be 
[18:36] <asac> 1. button sizing
[18:36] <asac> 2. font sizing in menu (probably a hildon theme issue)
[18:36] <asac> 3. gconf patch
[18:36] <asac> 4. to-front 
[18:36] <asac> e.g. raise window
[18:37] <asac> and if panning is simple add panning as well to 2.0 ... otherwise do that on 3.0
[18:37] <cwong1_> that pretty much i
[18:37] <asac> agree?
[18:37] <cwong1_> yes
[18:37] <bspencer> icons at the bottom bigger?  Is that part of button sizing?
[18:38] <bspencer> cwong1_, what do you think about this?  Have you browsed on the Q1 ?
[18:38] <cwong1_> yes. they are small.
[18:39] <cwong1_> I will try bigger icons and see if it looks better
[18:39] <asac> btw, i created a fresh image today for Q1 and somehow i often end up in a state where i cannot switch apps by clicking home button and need to reboot to get in a usable state again. is that known?
[18:40] <cwong1_> not that I know of. Did you run it on the Q1?
[18:41] <asac> yes
[18:41] <asac> thats where i see the issue
[18:42] <asac> i can reproduce it most reliably when i have a terminal open among other apps ... but already ended up in that state without terminal as well.
[18:44] <cwong1_> Most likely it is bug.  I will give it a try and report the bug.
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, yes, that is known
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, there is aproblem with control panel in the gutsy image that I am trying to get fixed
[18:45] <bspencer> asac, it kills the wm when you launch it.
[18:46] <bspencer> you can tell when it happens because the application startup message in the right side loses its border.  Then you are dead.   It is a problem that can be fixed by updating hildon-control-panel
[18:47] <bspencer> (but not in gutsy yet :(  )
[18:48] <asac> ah
[18:48] <asac> is the new hildon-control-panel in ppa ... or where?
[18:53] <asac> bspencer: ^^ ?
[18:54] <bspencer> asac, we just narrowed down the area.  hildon-control-panel that works is on moblin.org 
[18:54] <bspencer> but I've asked our guys if it needs to be
[18:55] <bspencer> so hopefully I can get it removed from there and the patch pushed up in the next day
[18:55] <asac> only in git or is there an apt line i should add?
[18:55] <bspencer> let me get the apt line...
[18:56] <bspencer> deb http://www.moblin.org/apt gaston
[18:57] <bspencer> # ap hildon-control-panel
[18:57] <bspencer> hildon-control-panel:
[18:57] <bspencer>   Installed: 1:1.9.5-2ubuntu1
[18:57] <bspencer>   Candidate: 1:1.9.5-2ubuntu1
[18:57] <bspencer> I think the gutsy version is 1:1.9.5-1ubuntuX  
[18:59] <asac> ok thanks ... dist-upgrade running :)
[19:00] <bspencer> we try to keep the delta between moblin and ume as small as possible
[19:00] <asac> right ... is there a way to disable wifi on Q1 so i can use it during flight?
[19:00] <asac> or isn't that a problem?
[19:01] <bspencer> not sure.  iwconfig ... ?
[19:02] <asac> hmm ... no i meant something like a kill-switch to disable the radio
[19:02] <bspencer> right.  I don't know.
[19:02] <asac> ok :)
[19:02] <asac> maybe in bios then :)
[19:08] <cwong1_> asac: tell your boos to cough up more $$ so u can get on a flight that support wifi....:)
[19:09] <asac> cwong1_: hehe :) ... so is it a problem to keep the radio on?
[19:10] <cwong1_> offically yes.. but I dont think they really affect the plane's electronic
[19:10] <asac> not being sure sounds dangerous ;)
[19:10] <cwong1_> Whey I use my laptop on the plane, the wireless is on
[19:10] <cwong1_> s/whey/when/
[19:10] <asac> oh
[19:10] <asac> :)
[19:10] <asac> how often did you crash?
[19:11] <cwong1_> none so far.... :)
[19:12] <asac> i think i will just listen carefully what they say before takeoff :)
[19:13] <asac> anyway ... i think a mobile device product that doesn't have a hardware killswitch somehow missed an important feature :)
[19:13] <asac> but then Q1 ships with vista, which isn't really a good mobile OS either ;)
[19:14] <asac> at least when trying to use my fingers it just fails completely
[19:18] <asac> ok off ... cu in boston
[19:18] <cwong1_> asac: 
[19:19] <asac> ?
[19:19] <cwong1_> I just sent u the panning info
[19:19] <cwong1_> asac: Have a safe trip to boston
[19:21] <asac> cwong1_: ok got that info. thanks carl.
[19:26] <bspencer> asac, do you have the access you need to setup a new source repository for midbrowser or do you need something from us?