[01:11] <Tm_T> bug 150913
[01:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150913 in ubuntu "screen and graphics crashed after pressing test button (dup-of: 137194)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150913
[01:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137194 in displayconfig-gtk "displayconfig-gtk crashes on Test" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137194
[02:07]  * Jucato yawns and stretches....
[02:21] <Tm_T> Jucato: YAY!
[02:21] <Jucato> yay?
[02:21] <nixternal> it's alive!
[02:22] <Jucato> I overslept again.. hahaha
[02:22] <Tm_T> Jucato: good morning hi and yay!
[02:22] <Jucato> but I woke up LOL'ing
[02:22] <Tm_T> Jucato: last image you saw was my face?
[02:22] <Tm_T> no no, that whould have made you cry
[02:23] <Jucato> that would have killed me on the spot
[02:23] <Tm_T> true, possibly so
[02:25] <Jucato> nixternal: so how was the Kubuntu session?
[02:25]  * Jucato imagines the first one was more exciting
[02:25] <nixternal> I can't remember
[02:25] <nixternal> :)
[02:26] <nixternal> they were both good...I like the involvement today of the entire team though
[02:26] <Jucato> *^_^*
[02:26] <Jucato> that's me... blushing... supposedly
[02:27] <nixternal> hehe
[02:27] <Jucato> bwahahah!! I love seele's post! :)
[02:28] <Jucato> oops... I just highlighted her :(
[02:31] <Jucato> nixternal: is it 8:30 p.m. for you?
[02:31] <nixternal> you got it
[02:31] <Jucato> kool. still early :)
[02:31] <nixternal> yet oh so tired
[02:32] <Jucato> aw... poor overworked nixternal
[02:32] <Jucato> !helpersnack | nixternal
[02:32] <ubotu> nixternal: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[02:32] <nixternal> haha
[02:32]  * Jucato wonders if he should make a !devsnack factoid
[02:33] <nixternal> I have found a flaw in the "Popularity" of an application in Ubuntu now...when you open up the 'Add/Remove Applications' in Gnome, each package has a rating, and everything that is installed by default has 5 stars..is that because each update counts as a download I wonder?
[02:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: and cause ubotu abused by us?
[02:34] <nixternal> same goes with Kubuntu/Adept I would guess
[02:34] <Tm_T> nixternal: time to make huge number of fixes to Kopete ;--P
[02:35]  * Jucato wonders about it all...
[02:36] <nixternal> I want to check out Anjuta and Mono development environments..I have heard a lot of good stuff about it
[02:37] <Jucato> soon we'll be hearing "I want to check out GNOME. I've heard a lot of good stuff about it".. and then he's gone :)
[02:37] <nixternal> haha, nevah
[02:38] <nixternal> I don't like that I can tweak it the way I want...I mean how hard can it be to make the bars transparent?
[02:38] <nixternal> I have select transparency in the settings, but that doesn't work
[02:39] <Tm_T> nixternal: try change tab bar from top to bottom in GNOME
[02:39] <Tm_T> anywhere there
[02:41] <nixternal> that's what I did
[02:41] <Tm_T> nixternal: found any way?
[02:41] <nixternal> no..I selected transparency, and even tried to change the color..it didn't take effect though
[02:41] <Tm_T> yah
[02:42] <nixternal> anjuta seems to be a slimlined kate, just that it has built in compile/debug options
[02:42] <nixternal> which you can do with Kate and a couple of macros or whatever they are called
[02:43]  * Jucato wished Kate actually had macros... like vim recording
[02:43] <begert>  I like e-macs :)
[02:43] <begert> oh hai
[02:44] <Jucato> kthxbai
[02:44] <Jucato> :P
[02:44] <begert> I can has KDE?
[02:44] <Jucato> no weiz
[02:44] <Tm_T> emacs? was that the OS without a kernel?
[02:44] <Jucato> the great OS w/o a good text editor :)
[02:44] <Jucato> anyway...
[02:45] <Tm_T> ah that one
[02:47] <begert> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
[02:47] <Jucato> we know :)
[02:47] <nixternal> OK, KDE vs. Gnome for development tools (Anjuta IDE, MonoDevelop, Bluefish, and Scream)
[02:48] <nixternal> KDE 1
[02:48] <nixternal> Gnome 0
[02:48] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[02:48] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, Kate does everything each one of those apps do
[02:48] <Jucato> was there even a contest? :)
[02:48] <nixternal> I wanted to see
[02:48] <Jucato> except a Class Browser...
[02:48] <nixternal> KDevelop is just way to strong of an IDE...it is getting close to Eclipse in that way
[02:49] <nixternal> Quanta+ > Bluefish/Scream
[02:49] <nixternal> I am actually disappointed..I had quite a few people tell me how good anjuta was...and it doesn't even do code completion from what I just saw
[02:49] <nixternal> and when you compile c++, it works great, actually to great...but go to execute it, and it tells you the file isn't local...derrr
[02:50] <Jucato> I have one big disappointment w/ KDevelop... you practically can't use it to compile a simple C++ program... without having to make a project.. or without having to use the embedded Konsole
[02:51] <nixternal> ya, that is why I use Eclipse whenever I am doing STL work
[02:51]  * Jucato just uses Kate for now... no too much Classes
[02:52] <nixternal> but Gnome does have an app I absolutely love
[02:52] <nixternal> Tomboy
[02:52] <Jucato> oh yeah, basket needs some features like that
[02:53] <Jucato> and deskbar! (imho)
[02:53] <nixternal> forget Basket, KNotes
[02:53] <nixternal> what is deskbar?
[02:53] <nixternal> I need to play man
[02:53] <nixternal> hehe
[02:53] <Jucato> play man?
[02:53] <Jucato> deskbar is like Katapult on the panel. launcher and search engine
[02:54] <Jucato> w/o the indexing overhead of beagle (I think)
[02:54] <nixternal> I take it that it is not in the repos?
[02:54] <Jucato> it's built-in to GNOME
[02:54] <nixternal> oh
[02:54] <Jucato> oh and drawers on the gnome panels!
[02:54] <nixternal> oh, I see deskbar
[02:54] <nixternal> I thought that was something for tracker
[02:55] <Jucato> hm.. maybe I was wrong.. but tracker doesn't seem to be a depends
[02:55] <Jucato> aaaanyway... at least it works :)
[02:56] <nixternal> deskbar is nice
[02:57] <Jucato> uh oh... I'm guilty of converting nixternal to GNOME!
[02:58] <nixternal> hehe
[02:58] <nixternal> I think KRunner in KDE 4 is better though
[02:58] <nixternal> and I think Katapult is better for launching apps
[02:58] <Jucato> +1 katapult
[02:58] <nixternal> I know a ton of people who use Katapult on Gnome actually and they love it
[02:58] <Jucato> +0.5 krunner
[02:59] <Jucato> well I haven't used krunner for 2 weeks so I can't really say... but last time I had performance, aesthetics, and usability issues with it
[02:59] <begert> I have been using KDE for about and I didn't figure out what Katapult was until about 2 weeks ago :P
[03:00] <Jucato> for about what? :)
[03:00] <begert> *about a year
[03:00] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:00] <begert> got ahead of myself
[03:00] <Jucato> it's ok... using KDE is a lot like treasure hunting
[03:01] <begert> I "opened" it along time ago, but never thought to just start typing something
[03:01] <begert> it looked to much like a splash image
[03:02] <Jucato> it's not entirely intuitive unless you know Quicksilver
[03:02] <begert> I just kept waiting for it to start
[03:02] <nixternal> Gnome does have Epiphany, which I like 2nd only to Konqueror
[03:02] <Jucato> hm.. it has a weird way of dealing w/ bookmarks though...
[03:03] <Jucato> Epiphany I mean
[03:04] <begert> so while I was sitting here I had an idea, and though I really havn't done anything for Kubuntu except write bug reports, I thought it was a decent idea
[03:04] <nixternal> ooh, I forgot about Galeon as well
[03:05] <begert> I thought it could be neat to set a day every 1/2 weeks where people would focus on using a single KDE app in an attempt to find bugs and such
[03:06] <begert> thats 1 to 2 weeks
[03:06] <begert> not half weeks
[03:06] <nixternal> begert: that is what we would call a bug day kind of, or a hug day rather
[03:06] <nixternal> but we definitely need to do it here on the Kubuntu side
[03:07] <nixternal> the Ubuntu people get a lot of people to show up for Hug Days, whereas only a few of us here show up for them
[03:07] <begert> but also (I know little) aren't those days more focused on known existing bugs?
[03:07] <nixternal> in a way yes, but that doesn't mean we can't edit the definition right :)
[03:07] <nixternal> I think it is a good day
[03:08] <nixternal> and idea
[03:08] <begert> I am thinking more on the testing side of trying all you can to break 1 specific app for that day
[03:08] <nixternal> that is what I meant to say..I think that is a good idea :)
[03:08] <begert> very true
[03:08] <begert> :)
[03:10] <begert> I can at least contribute ideas for now
[03:10] <Jucato> I'm going to be traiging all Adept and System Settings bugs next week... and forwarding them to manchicken :P
[03:11]  * Jucato sees himself in begert almost 2 years ago... minus the ability to use emacs...
[03:11] <nixternal> hehe
[03:11] <begert> well I never said I was "good" at using emacs
[03:11] <Jucato> 2 years ago... I didn't even know how to use both emacs and vim
[03:12] <Jucato> I use vim... not good at it though
[03:12] <Tm_T> I dont know how to use those
[03:12] <Tm_T> nor care to know
[03:12] <Jucato> I just know enough to do :%s/nixternal/vista/
[03:12] <begert> I tried vim, i didn't like it
[03:12] <manchicken> Jucato: Righto.  You do that :)
[03:12] <Jucato> haven't tried emacs... I tried vim first at the behest of a friend
[03:12] <begert> but i know people that love it
[03:13] <begert> either way, both are great
[03:13] <Jucato> manchicken: should I just assign them to you are should I just poke you with a list?
[03:13] <manchicken> Jucato: Could you poke me with a list (preferably via email)?
[03:14] <manchicken> I'm going to be picking up the Kubuntu slack a bit when I start this indy job.
[03:14] <Jucato> manchicken: sure :)
[03:14] <Jucato> I will probably give my comments too :P
[03:14] <manchicken> Any info you could give--including cause suspicions--would be nice.
[03:15] <Jucato> (and then we all decide to move to packagekit bwahahah!)
[03:15] <Jucato> I'll try if I can even fix the lowest hanging fruits... you know, the ones low enough for worms to eat? :D
[03:19]  * Jucato decides to take a risk...
[03:19] <Jucato> hm... nvm
[03:23] <manchicken> heh
[03:24] <manchicken> If there's low-hanging fruit, I probably already ate it.
[03:24] <manchicken> I think the resolution of the database lock is probably the most complicated bug fix I've done.
[03:26] <nixternal> heh, I think I might like Compiz a little bit
[03:28] <manchicken> I like it alright, I just don't like its limitations.
[03:29] <nixternal> I am having to much fun with it
[03:29] <nixternal> I think I shall install it on my laptop
[03:29] <manchicken> It's fun for about a week.
[03:29] <nixternal> show them Mac people what it is all about
[03:29] <Tm_T> manchicken: I got enough of it in 2 minutes =)
[03:29] <manchicken> If we can't get some of these issues fixed, I may move to GNOME for a little while.
[03:29] <manchicken> As much as it pains me to say that.
[03:29] <manchicken> This artsd/kmilo/kmix thing is killing me.
[03:30] <manchicken> And not being able to use my headphone jack is just too much.
[03:30] <manchicken> It's bad enough that I can't suspend/resume.
[03:30] <Tm_T> arts... I think I have heard that few years ago... ;)
[03:30]  * Tm_T doesnt use it =)
[03:30] <manchicken> When you don't have a hardware mixer, you need something.
[03:31] <Tm_T> true
[03:31] <manchicken> I love KDE, but right now this is just killing me.
[03:31] <manchicken> Ooh, I should try KDE4 now.
[03:31] <Tm_T> yes!
[03:31] <Tm_T> how you even could think of GNOME before trying KDE4 ?!
[03:32] <manchicken> Because I know GNOME works :)
[03:32] <manchicken> And because System76 will give me full support for GNOME.
[03:32] <Tm_T> :(
[03:32] <manchicken> heh
[03:32]  * Tm_T get panic attacks from gnome
[03:32] <Jucato> manchicken: iirc someone was having problems with that database lock resolution thingy....
[03:32] <manchicken> Not saying I don't want to make KDE better though.
[03:32] <manchicken> Jucato: Yeah, but I haven't been able to replicate any of those issues.
[03:32] <Jucato> it crashes Adept again iirc
[03:33] <manchicken> Jucato: And if I can't replicate them, or get a super-sweet dump file, I can't really troubleshoot it.
[03:33] <manchicken> It's all nixternal's fault.
[03:33] <Jucato> manchicken: heh the worst kind of bugs...
[03:35] <manchicken> Trying KDE4
[03:42] <crimsun> of course it'd be nixternal's fault.
[03:42] <nixternal> well well well, if it isn't old crimsun!
[03:42] <crimsun> that's geezer crimsun to you, kiddo!
[03:42] <Jucato> crimsun!!!!
[03:52] <begert> good night people, talk to you later
[03:53] <Jucato> k'night begert!
[04:08] <manchicken> Does KDE4 have a working panel yet?
[04:08] <manchicken> I wasn't able to get that working at all.
[04:09] <manchicken> Just plasma and a handful of plasmoids.
[04:10] <Jucato> semi-working
[04:51] <Daskreech> seele: ha ha :) nice backend
[05:38]  * Jucato burps
[05:41]  * Daskreech wakes up .45 miles away
[05:41] <Daskreech> What just happened?
[05:43] <Tm_T> me just happened
[07:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[07:16] <Daskreech> Wouldn't manchicken  be more interested?
[07:16] <Tm_T> he maybe too
[07:16] <Tm_T> Daskreech: but why he more?
[07:16] <Daskreech> manchicken is a RMS fiend :)
[07:16] <Daskreech> he'd love it
[07:17] <Tm_T> well I know nixternal keep fuzzing about gpl, well, atleast kept =)
[07:19] <Tm_T> btw http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/gpl3-grey-02.png
[09:04] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[10:00] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!! Hobbsee!!!
[10:00] <_StefanS_> heeeeyy
[10:00]  * Jucato falls asleep again...
[10:00] <Riddell> nixternal: ha ha, I CC'ed you  teh reply to my e-mail
[10:01]  * Jucato waves to Riddell too
[10:02] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato!
[10:04] <Riddell> hi Jucato
[10:05]  * Riddell in heathrow vip lounge
[10:05] <Riddell> lots of whisky here
[10:05] <Jucato> ooooh
[10:05] <Jucato> hahah
[10:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:05] <Hobbsee> but no irn bru?  :)
[10:05]  * Hobbsee is jealous.
[10:06] <Jucato> of the whiskey or being in heathrow?
[10:06] <Jucato> (just one wrong typo, and it's deathrow :P)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> going to UDS
[10:06] <Jucato> ah... yeah.. who isn't? :)
[10:07] <Jucato> ayt... brb :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:16] <Jucato> are our (try pronouncing that!) KDE4 packages built with fulldebug?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep I think they are
[10:17] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[10:47] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[12:56] <Tonio_> hey
[13:10] <Lure_> seele: ping
[13:11]  * Jucato waves at Lure
[13:11] <Lure> hi Jucato
[13:12] <Lure> Jucato: how is support of gutsy in #kubuntu going on? good or bad?
[13:12] <Jucato> hm.... how can I say? both good and bad :)
[13:12] <Lure> Jucato: what is bad? kopete crash? dolphin?
[13:13] <Jucato> yes, plus some reports of debconf crashing during the upgrade
[13:13] <Lure> Jucato: yep, upgrades are always tricky... never tested enough imho...
[13:13] <Jucato> I'm going to keep an eternal gutsy vm just to test all upgrade to hardy for each milestone...
[13:14] <Jucato> there's also the small problem of people looking for features that Ubuntu has that Kubuntu doesn't :)
[13:45] <Tonio_> hi Jucato, Lure :)
[13:45] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[13:46] <Tonio_> Jucato: didn't find out how to trust a protocol in konqueror.:/
[13:46] <Lure> hi Tonio_, I see you are already hitting hardy-changes!
[13:46] <Jucato> oh...
[13:46]  * Lure still needs to upgrade to hardy
[13:47] <Tonio_> Lure: well kio-apt shouldn't have been there.....;; I just override that one, it should have gone to my ppa :)
[13:47] <Tonio_> Lure: fancy testing kio-aot ?
[13:47] <Lure> Tonio_: ;-)
[13:47] <Tonio_> apt
[13:47] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe during weekend, busy now...
[13:47] <Tonio_> oki
[13:48] <Tonio_> Lure: no idea how to make konqueror consider a protocol is secured ?
[13:48] <Lure> just came from US and now on business meetings for the second day
[13:48] <Tonio_> Lure: I can't find out how to make it to consider apt:/ is a trusted protocol
[13:48] <Lure> Tonio_: like https?
[13:48] <Lure> Tonio_: what would be the difference
[13:49] <Tonio_> Lure: konqueror doesn't like unknown protocols while clicking on links
[13:49] <Tonio_> no problom when typing in the address bar
[13:49] <Lure> Tonio_: oh, that...
[13:49] <Tonio_> Lure: yep ;)
[13:49] <Lure> Tonio_: no idea.
[13:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I guess we'll have to patch konqueror for this
[13:49] <Tonio_> looks like ardcoded feature
[13:49]  * Lure is not using Konqueror for browsing and do not know the code at all
[13:50] <Tonio_> probably something in kio-http btw
[13:50] <Tonio_> or khtml
[13:50]  * Lure downloads new Opera beta... ;-)
[13:50] <jpatrick> yo
[13:51] <Tonio_> yop jpatrick
[13:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: the installation reporting succes/failure now works in kio-apt
[13:52] <Jucato> woot! :)
[13:52] <Jucato> hm. is kio-apt making use of gdebi-kde btw?
[13:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: no it just uses adept-batch
[13:53] <Jucato> oh
[13:53]  * Jucato wonders why we couldn't have developed adept-batch in the first place...
[13:54] <Jucato> I mean for .debs...
[13:54] <Jucato> bah nvm.. apt... heheh
[13:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: adept-batch is for apt-get installation
[13:54] <Tonio_> gdebi is for dpkg (aka local) installation
[13:54] <Tonio_> that's just completly different
[13:54] <Jucato> yeah. I sort of... :)
[13:54] <Tonio_> manchicken: ping ?
[13:54] <Tonio_> manchicken: I just discovered that adept-batch just segfaults when using a bad package name
[13:55] <Tonio_> manchicken: sudo adept-batch install blablatoto
[13:55] <Tonio_> that's bad :/
[13:57] <jpatrick> Jucato: do you use a i*86?
[13:58] <Jucato> yes. but my kubuntu install is currently hosed :)
[13:58] <jpatrick> damn
[13:58]  * Jucato might need to download an ISO instead of waiting for shitit
[13:58] <Jucato> er shipit
[13:59] <jpatrick> hosed so much that you can't test: http://ihosted.info/~jpatrick/kde-style-domino_0.4-0ubuntu1_i1386.deb ?
[13:59]  * Jucato nods
[13:59]  * Hobbsee wonders how you broke it.
[14:00] <Jucato> tried to do a fresh install since any kernel higher than 2.6.22-12 (can't recall) freezes
[14:00] <Jucato> lucky as I am... my only feisty cd isn't working as well :)
[14:01] <manchicken> Tonio_: Wuddup homes?
[14:02] <manchicken> Tonio_: You got a bug for that just so that I don't forget about it?  I'll see if I can take a peeky-peek at it right now.
[14:02] <apachelogger> jpatrick: ahoy!.... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=423 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=424
[14:02]  * Hobbsee notes that she's officially been using ubuntu for a week now.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> well, 8 day.s
[14:03] <manchicken> Tonio_: I can replicate it.
[14:03] <manchicken> Hobbsee: How you like it?
[14:03] <jpatrick> apachelogger: warum bist du niemal hier wann ich dich sehen will!?
[14:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: there's some really nice polished stuff in there
[14:03] <Hobbsee> but konversation is a must, is as amarok
[14:03] <manchicken> I think it's pretty good.  I just don't think I could pull myself away from the well integrated, but not always as simple, KDE.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the lack of functionality in some places is annoying - like the lack of kioslaves.
[14:03] <apachelogger> jpatrick: private problems which currently need a lot of time
[14:03] <jpatrick> ah, right
[14:04] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I don't like how limited metacity is compared to kwin.
[14:04] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, I'd split domino, since it's a theme a style and a window deco
[14:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, it's with compiz too, so...
[14:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it's more stuff like nautilus
[14:04] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Or xchat vs. konvi, konsole vs. terminal, etc.
[14:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[14:04] <manchicken> Hobbsee: D3lphin smokes nautilus
[14:04] <Hobbsee> i've found terminal to be fine, actually
[14:04]  * Hobbsee isnt much of a fan of d3lphin
[14:04]  * Jucato has to agree w/ the d3lphin comment unfortunately...
[14:04] <manchicken> And kontact beats the hell out of evolution imho.
[14:04] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hmm, might do, for tastymenu rm the debian dir in source and retar it
[14:04] <Hobbsee> oh, indeed.  thunderbird sucks less than either of them, though
[14:05] <jpatrick> note in changelog and send a message upstream :)
[14:05] <Jucato> manchicken: gnome-term has one feature that will only arrive in Konsole in KDE 4 though
[14:05] <manchicken> I'm not a thunderbird fan.
[14:05] <Jucato> clickable links
[14:05]  * apachelogger goes retaring
[14:05] <manchicken> Jucato: I'm not a big fan of clickable links in my terminal sessions :)
[14:05] <Jucato> ehehe
[14:05] <Tonio_> manchicken: strange........
[14:05] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i like the clicking
[14:05] <Tonio_> can someone try to reproduce ?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> i want to see kde4, though
[14:05] <seele> Lure: pong
[14:05] <manchicken> Tonio_: I can reproduce the problem.
[14:05] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: kde4's konsole is awesome
[14:06] <Jucato> seele: nice blog post btw ;)
[14:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: I just can't get a good dump file.
[14:06] <seele> Jucato: haha thanks
[14:06] <Tonio_> manchicken: okay but does this crash for you too ?
[14:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: Could you put a bug in for that if there isn't one already?  I'm going to hopefully get back into the kubuntu hacking here soon.
[14:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yes.
[14:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: oki :)
[14:07] <manchicken> Tonio_: Without any good debugging other than a STL exception message.
[14:07] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you should also put (LP: #xxx) after IR in changelog to close the LP bug
[14:08] <Lure> seele: I have a German customer that would need usability consultant, so I am thinking some kde-usability person can do the job
[14:08] <Lure> seele: anyone from germany that is doing this kind of consultancy work?
[14:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: okay, I'll just report the bug on launchpad atm
[14:09] <manchicken> Much thanks.
[14:09] <manchicken> I think it's probably just iterating through all packages it knows of without paying attention to whether or not its at the end of its list.
[14:10] <manchicken> If I'm right then that'd be a simple issue to fix.
[14:10] <seele> Lure: Ellen Reitmayr (ellen@reitmayr.net) does consulting and Jan Muehlig (jan.muehlig@relevantive.de) has a consultancy called Relevantive
[14:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it's frustrating having to look up how to do things, which usually Just Work
[14:10] <Lure> seele: thanks, will contact them
[14:10] <seele> Lure: both have been involved in KDE usability and are a part of OpenUsability
[14:10] <seele> Lure: np
[14:10] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yes.  That it is.
[14:11] <manchicken> Hobbsee: It's pretty well polished though, but it's just not what I like to use.
[14:11] <Jucato> Tonio_: bug report exists
[14:11] <WaltzingAlong> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/153710
[14:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153710 in adept "adept_batch crashes if target package does not exist" [Undecided,New]
[14:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true
[14:11] <manchicken> Even though KDE 3.5.8 is sucking for me right now.
[14:11] <Jucato> Tonio_, manchicken: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/153710
[14:11] <Jucato> rawr
[14:11]  * Jucato runs from WaltzingAlong
[14:11] <Jucato> life's so unfair..
[14:11] <Lure> seele: our larger customes have own usability expert, but in this case they do not have one and we do not like to do major UI redesigns with one
[14:11] <manchicken> heh
[14:11] <WaltzingAlong> ;0
[14:12] <Lure> s/with/witnout/
[14:12] <manchicken> I'll confirm and prioritize and assign that bug.
[14:12] <Jucato> (that's one less Adept bug to triage!!! :P)
[14:13] <apachelogger> jpatrick: uploads in progress, thanks for revuing :)
[14:13] <manchicken> That bug is updated.
[14:13] <jpatrick> no prob
[14:13] <manchicken> Jucato: Oh, you could still triage it ;)
[14:13] <WaltzingAlong> good thing they are called bugs and not spiders. would not be cool to squish one spider only to see hundreds emerge from it
[14:13] <Jucato> manchicken: do the honors haha :)
[14:14]  * manchicken doesn't know the official process for triaging bugs.
[14:14]  * Jucato wonders what's the diff between https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/
 I'll confirm and prioritize and assign that bug. <---  um.. that? :)
[14:14] <manchicken> Righto then
[14:15] <manchicken> Tonio_: If you get any output from your crash or any dump output that you could paste into that bug, that would be very helpful.
[14:15] <Jucato> oh and https://launchpad.net/bugs/ too! :)
[14:15] <Jucato> 3 URL's that go to the same page heheh :)
[14:16] <jpatrick> you haven't mentioned edge.* yet
[14:16] <Tonio_> manchicken: I don't get anything too.....
[14:16] <Jucato> oh yeah...
[14:16] <Tonio_> manchicken: will try with gdb
[14:16] <manchicken> Tonio_: Okie dokie.
[14:16] <manchicken> Tonio_: Ooh, that'd be very kind of you.
[14:18] <Tonio_> ;)
[14:18] <Jucato> of course... it's Tonio_ :)
[14:20] <manchicken> Time to continue my time where I can't do any work of my own, but I can play Nintendo.
[14:20] <manchicken> This sucks.  I can't wait until Wednesday.
[14:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger: new pkgs approved, now find someone else to review and I'll upload
[14:24] <apachelogger> Anyone in revu mood? :)
[14:27] <Tonio_> Jucato: just found how to trust the apt protocol :)
[14:27] <Tonio_> Jucato: fancy testing ?
[14:27] <Jucato> Tonio_: not today :(
[14:27] <Tonio_> oki
[14:27] <Jucato> I can do tomorrow (downloading Gutsy ISO)
[14:27] <Jucato> 6 hours...
[14:28] <Tonio_> so that you can test it, copy this in your /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/defualt/kdeglobals file
[14:28] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/1804
[14:28] <Tonio_> just copy this, reload kde and it might work
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: cool got a new deb?;-)
[14:28] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: yep ;)
[14:28] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: no supports checking if installation was successfull or not
[14:29] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: mostly done for apt:/ now starting apt+http:/
[14:29]  * nosrednaekim is supposeing that was a "now"
[14:29] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: you might get the deb on my ppa soon
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> k
[14:29] <Tonio_> ah, well got dc enabled ?
[14:29] <Tonio_> dcc
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> sure....i'm kinda laggy right now
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> uhh wait... I need x86_64
[14:31] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: then you have to wait for the ppa package :)
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> heh
[14:35] <apachelogger> Tonio_: do you have time to revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=426 ?
[14:36] <jpatrick> nixternal: ^?
[14:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger: toonight, probably
[14:37] <apachelogger> Tonio_: fair enough :)
[14:39] <jpatrick> apachelogger: try fishing in #ubuntu-motu
[14:56] <Mez> why does kubuntu decide to f**k up my xorg.conf instead of just changing the resolution manually
[15:03] <bddebian> Heya
[15:07] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[15:09] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[15:20] <mhb> this UDS/Fosscamp is unlucky for KDE/Kubuntu people
[15:20] <Jucato> read about annma? ;(
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> you there?
[15:20] <mhb> yeah
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> here...
[15:20] <mhb> nosrednaekim: me?
[15:20] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I am now
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> you are only like 5 hours north of me :)
[15:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well not at UDS, no.
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> oh ;)
[15:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: here in the channel
[15:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: :o)
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> haha
[15:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: Did you happen to forget my blog post?
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> which one....
[15:22] <mhb> the one about not being given a visa to the U.S.
[15:22] <mhb> and I am not really the terrorist type who tries to get in even though they dont want him there.
[15:23] <n8k99> no the one about the transportation workers strike in france preventing her from getting on a flight
[15:23] <mhb> n8k99: yeah, well I thought about my reason why I am not at UDS
[15:23] <mhb> n8k99: err, talked
[15:24] <n8k99> oh?
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> no, I didn't... what is your blog?
[15:24] <mhb> n8k99: of course, the news about annma is also bad, like I said, unlucky for KDE/Kubuntu people
[15:25] <mhb> nosrednaekim: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/enjoy-the-uds-without-me/
[15:26] <n8k99> mhb i remember that post now
[15:26] <mhb> n8k99: it is like a curse ... nix couldnt get there, I couldnt, now annma ...
[15:26] <jpatrick> hope it's in Europe next time
[15:26] <n8k99> on behalf of the sane population in this country I am deeply apologetic about the other idiots we have here
[15:27] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: supercat in hardy
[15:27] <mhb> is jr on the road already?
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: thanks! :-)
[15:28] <mhb> Jucato: if you will be monitoring UDS closely, could we count on you to provide blog coverage if other sources fail? :o)
[15:28] <Jucato> that's a big if right now :/
[15:29] <Jucato> I will try....
[15:29] <mhb> Jucato: I am quite confident in jr blogging about it, he usually does
[15:29] <mhb> Jucato: but who knows if he has time for that
[15:30] <Jucato> will try my best.. but it will be my first time to try VoIP and Gobby so...
[15:30] <manchicken> We still need a kobby :)
[15:31] <Jucato> oh yes definitely :)
[15:32] <manchicken> So does kde4 have a proper working panel yet?  I couldn't get it to work last night.
[15:32] <ScottK> manchicken: You know that pkern (the upstream and Debian Maintainer for Gobby) is a MOTU now, don't you?
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: not in the beta3
[15:33] <Jucato> depends on what you consider working :)
[15:33] <Jucato> post-beta3 it's working a bit
[15:33] <Jucato> (as in SVN_
[15:33] <manchicken> ScottK: Didn't know that.
[15:33] <mhb> funny, it is past beta3 and were still not moving to release-candidate quality yet
[15:33] <manchicken> If you just launch into KDE4, you can't even start any programs.
[15:33] <manchicken> Just plasmoids.
[15:33]  * mhb fears of another delay
[15:34] <ScottK> I've asked and he's not interested in working on a Kobby, but may be useful if someone else want to do the front end.
[15:34] <manchicken> There's just no way to launch the programs.
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> panel seems to be working in the KDE4 liveCD
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: right click on dektop run program?
[15:34] <mhb> ScottK: what language is it written in?
[15:34] <manchicken> KDE4 live CD?
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah... SUse
[15:34] <mhb> ScottK: if your answer is Glib-riddden C ... well not a job for me :o)
[15:34] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: I get nothing when I right-click under KDE4.
[15:34] <ScottK> mhb: I've no idea.  I do know there's a separate obby backend.
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: ouch :)
[15:35] <Jucato> manchicken: is that from SVN?
[15:35] <manchicken> Gutsy repos
[15:35] <Jucato> manchicken: Alt+F2 (krunner)
[15:35] <manchicken> Tried that
[15:35] <manchicken> Not krunning
[15:35] <mhb> ScottK: C++
[15:35] <Jucato> I'm not sure if kickoff was included in our beta3 packages
[15:35] <nixternal> that's what I am talking about...8 hours of sleep!!!!
[15:35] <Jucato> manchicken: hm... that should be working...
[15:36] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!
[15:36] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: kickoff was
[15:36] <Jucato> ok time for me to bed
[15:36] <Jucato> :D
[15:36] <nixternal> haha
[15:36] <Jucato> nixternal: annma won't be able to make it :(
[15:36] <mhb> good morning nix
[15:36] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: I see. how about the taskbar fix (running apps should be on the taskbar)
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: its in the KDE4 livCD. yes but not int he beta packages I don't think.
[15:37] <Jucato> I see
[15:38]  * DaSkreech waves
[15:38] <Jucato> oh hail the gang's all here
[15:38] <nixternal> Jucato: what? I thought she had it all planned it..her husband and kids were going to go visit the grandparents
[15:39] <Jucato> see Planet KDE
[15:39] <nixternal> Tm_T: that GPL wallpaper is killer...it will be on my desktop now...if I could read it on my laptop, it would be there too
[15:39]  * nixternal fires up akregator
[15:40] <nixternal> holy cow Jucato, she jinxed herself with the original post by saying something about the strike :(
[15:41] <Jucato> nixternal: actually she posted that after the fact....
[15:41] <Jucato> ahok
[15:41] <Jucato> the other post
[15:41] <Jucato> :(
[15:43] <DaSkreech> I'm in a gang?
[15:43] <nosrednaekim> great(or stupid) mindsthink alike http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/hardy-wishlist-post-4/
[15:47] <DaSkreech> fools seldom differ
[15:47] <DaSkreech> Wait that's not true
[15:48] <DaSkreech> there is a wide variety of foolishnes
[15:48] <DaSkreech> +s
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> lol
[15:48] <Jucato> foolisshnes?
[15:52] <jpatrick> nixternal: https://launchpad.net/~motu-mentoring-reception/
[15:54] <nixternal> [   Riddell] nixternal: ha ha, I CC'ed you  teh reply to my e-mail
[15:54] <nixternal> ?? I didn't get any email from ya, so which email?
[15:55] <jpatrick> I think he's on the train/road
[15:55] <nixternal> jpatrick: when I get a little more time I will start the mentoring...hopefully here in a couple of weeks I will have some free time
[15:55] <Jucato> plane?
[15:55] <jpatrick> boat?
[15:55] <Jucato> flying teacup
[15:55]  * Jucato doesn't like saucers...
[15:55] <jpatrick> nah, he probably used Launchpad and did it Mark Shuttleworth-style!
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> lol
[15:56] <Jucato> :D
[15:59]  * nosrednaekim decides to stop childishly lol-ing
[16:00] <DaSkreech> !lol | nosrednaekim
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> oh shut up!
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> LOL!
[16:01]  * DaSkreech kicks ubotu
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[16:01]  * DaSkreech misses the non-existent bot and falls on the floor
[16:01]  * DaSkreech awaits people loling
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech ROFL
[16:02] <manchicken> We should make it so that kontact automagically sticks the ICS file from integrated karm and sticks it as an option on the calendar.
[16:02] <manchicken> That'd be awesome.
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Gcalendar
[16:03] <mzungu> nixternal, please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuExtras to see if its what you had in mind
[16:06] <DaSkreech> hu begert
[16:07] <Jucato> mzungu: I still vote for kget to be included by default :)
[16:07] <Jucato> ktorrent's there.. but not kget...
[16:07] <mzungu> ha ha - me too!
[16:08] <mzungu> always on my immediate list after an install
[16:10] <DaSkreech> Won't be an issue with KDe4 I think
[16:10] <mhb> please, explain to me - why should we include something more in the default install?
[16:10] <mhb> who are we going to please by that?
[16:11] <DaSkreech> mhb: Debian users?
[16:11] <mhb> is really an app like kget something to be considered essential for the base install?
[16:11] <DaSkreech> No
[16:11] <Jucato> mhb: I have one big reason for having KGet installed
[16:11] <Jucato> (is KTorrent even?)
[16:11] <Hobbsee> why would we want kget, sorry?
[16:11] <Jucato> ok let me type!!!
[16:11] <Hobbsee> ktorrent is installed by default.  it's handy :)
[16:12] <Jucato> KGet solves a big problem with sites that deliver wrong
[16:12] <Jucato> MIME types for downloads
[16:12] <Jucato> like kde-look/apps and other random sites
[16:12] <nixternal> mzungu: looks good...I will make sure I get those items documented
[16:12] <Jucato> w/o kget, konqueror attempts to open those in Kate
[16:12] <mhb> Jucato: sure, that is a good reason for having it in universe.
[16:13] <mhb> and nobody can block that.
[16:13] <Jucato> ok ok...
[16:13] <Jucato> outvoted...
[16:13] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it isn't to install by default, but to document so new users know what they have available...go give them a better description than what Adept gives
[16:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[16:13]  * Jucato woners how many times people will download through torrent vs. download through http/ftp
[16:13] <nixternal> I wish I would have thought of that a while back :)
[16:13] <mhb> Now, tell me a reason why it should be in main, so please, could you give an user case of a person that cannot click Save As? on the link? Or when you cannot really use the apt-get/adept to fetch it?
[16:14] <nixternal> I rarely ever use Torrent except for the initial release isos
[16:14] <mhb> to fetch kget and then use it
 Now, tell me a reason why it should be in main, so please, could you give an user case of a person that cannot click Save As? on the link? <--- like I said, that doesn't always work
[16:14] <Jucato> and for people who really don't know, they won't know that kget sort of fixes that problem
[16:14] <mhb> Jucato: it doesnt? Really? Well I have never had trouble with it, and I have never used kget AFAIK.
[16:15] <mzungu> for kget in particular, for those of us with poor and slow internet - it makes download management better
[16:15] <mhb> Jucato: and I have downloaded stuff from kde-look/apps any other site
[16:15] <Jucato> mhb: just because you haven't, doesn't mean no one has
[16:15] <nixternal> save as rarely works on quite a few things...I tried the other day to save some SVGs and it tried to save them as =JKK8439KDFJ== or some garbage
[16:15] <mhb> indeed
[16:15] <mhb> again, a perfectly sound reason for universe
[16:15] <Jucato> I've come across many instances already of people asking why Konqueror kept on trying to open downloads in Kate
[16:16] <nixternal> I heard that they removed curl from the CDs...does anyone know if that is true, and if so, did they replace it? well they had to replace it obviously
[16:16] <Jucato> mhb: I get your point. what I don't understand why ktorrent would have special treatment though
[16:16] <nixternal> I am with Jucato on that...KTorrent is nice, but not everyone is using it...check popcon
[16:16] <mhb> Jucato: well ktorrent is the only app we have for downloading any torrents, right?
[16:17] <Jucato> * Jucato woners how many times people will download through torrent vs. download through http/ftp
[16:17] <DaSkreech> That might not be a bad idea nixternal
[16:17] <nixternal> Jucato: people really only use KTorrent to get music and movies
[16:17] <Jucato> like I said nvm. outvoted
[16:17] <DaSkreech> Have a common tasks document
[16:17] <Jucato> nixternal: from questionable sources too...
[16:18] <mhb> Jucato: but we certainly have apps for downloading content, Konqueror should handle that automagically. Right, kget fixes some use cases, but not all.
[16:18] <nixternal> so that is why I am with you...if KTorrent was popular for everyone, then OK, but it isn't
[16:18] <Jucato> nixternal: in an indirect way, we're sort of condoning something...
[16:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I don't see why we need a torrenting app
[16:18] <nixternal> plus a lot of people are using Azureus over KTorrent for stuff from what I have heard
[16:18] <nixternal> Jucato: you are right on the button there :)
[16:19] <nixternal> even though I think there is a "we don't condone if for the use of...." somewhere in the documentation
[16:19] <mhb> hehe
[16:19] <nixternal> I know we have a patch that removes all of the bad torrent sites like Pirate Bay and such
[16:19] <mzungu> mebbe in the hope that downloading a new kubuntu cd will use torrent, rather than overload the ubuntu servers?
[16:19] <mhb> "a lot of people use kaffeine for playing non-copyrighted content ... and other people are using totem or mplayer, from what I have heard :o)"
[16:20] <mhb> err, s/copyrighted/illegal
[16:20] <nixternal> KNemo would be nice to have though, especially if there is this "play catchup with Ubuntu" idea floating around...they have something similar..and KNemo is one of the first things I install...it doesn't get anybetter than KNemo :)
[16:20] <Jucato> nixternal: grr!
[16:20] <nixternal> hahaha
[16:21] <Hobbsee> meh, knemo
[16:21] <nixternal> KFTPGrabber I am not a huge fan of just yet, because of its limitations
[16:21] <mhb> should we ban kaffeine because of people playing illegal content on it? No, because it is our only means of playing video  players
[16:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: come on now, I love that little app :)
[16:21] <mhb> and the same goes with torrents
[16:21] <nixternal> VLC!
[16:21] <Hobbsee> yay, torrents!
[16:21] <Hobbsee> of course, ubuntu torrents are why we want to keep a torrenter.
[16:22] <Hobbsee> besides, sometimes you *have* to torrent, as the $powersthatbe dont give you a legal way to get the content in question.
[16:22] <mhb> and legal videos are why we need a video player
[16:22] <nixternal> I think we need to seriously take a look at popcon and see what we have out of the box, see how important it is, and maybe poll the users...we need to poll the users a little bit to get an idea of just how they are using Kubuntu
[16:22] <mhb> heck, we cannot even play DVDs in Kaffeine legally, should we remove that functionality?
[16:22] <nixternal> remember, Kubuntu is about what WE like or don't like...it is about what the USERS like and dis-like
[16:22] <nixternal> hey
[16:22] <nixternal> I booboo'd there
[16:22] <nixternal> s/KUbuntu is about what WE/Kubuntu is NOT about what WE/
[16:23] <mhb> right
[16:23] <nixternal> I just think it is time we listen to the people who use it to an extent
[16:23] <mhb> I think the base principle of Kubuntu is to provide one tool for one task
[16:24] <mhb> on the default CD - and provide all the possibilities in universe repos
[16:24] <nixternal> and that's fine, as long as people are using the one tool for that one task
[16:24] <ScottK> nixternal: For a paid dev sure, but I don't feel any obligation to make Kubuntu like anything other than what I want.
[16:24] <mhb> but what KGet really does is just fix a download problem in Konqueror for sites that are written badly
[16:24] <mhb> err, badly configured servers
[16:24] <Jucato> of course it can be more than that... but then again..
[16:25] <Jucato> one tool for one task...
[16:25] <mhb> Jucato: I would prefer that to be done so that the user doesnt have to wonder why KGet opens this and Konqueror that
[16:25] <nixternal> I do, it is free software, I have been provided the chance to work with a great project and a great community, I have been given this chance for free...if you don't like doing it unpaid, then free-software isn't for you...this is a volunteer community, that's what makes us so strong...Ubuntu does a great job of giving the users what they want, and a majority of them are volunteers as well
[16:25] <mhb> Jucato: a config option in Konqui perhaps?
[16:26] <Jucato> mhb: why will Konqueror open when something is supposed to be downloaded if KGet integration is enabled?
[16:26]  * Jucato wonders if IRC ops will be paid soon :P
[16:26] <Jucato> non-developing IRC ops :D
[16:27]  * mhb wonders if he will be paid again for hacking Kubuntu :o)
[16:27] <Jucato> heh
[16:27] <mhb> but probably not
[16:27] <Jucato> :(
[16:27] <nixternal> nobody will be getting paid monetarily soon...you should develop and work with free software because you enjoy it..if you want the paycheck, then you have to go else where, because sabdfl said it best during the Q&A talk....no money for you! :)
[16:27] <mhb> Jucato: its not a bad thing, someone else will get paid for that, and we will gain a skilled person for some time
[16:28] <mhb> I am perfectly happy with helping out Kubuntu as much as I can until it is fun :o)
[16:28] <ScottK> nixternal: Sure, but my point is volunteers should work as they will and not because they are pushed.
[16:28] <mhb> s/until/as long as
[16:28] <nixternal> you mean until it is no longer fun?
[16:28] <nixternal> or that :)
[16:28] <nixternal> hehe
[16:28] <DaSkreech> mhb: non-illegal ?
[16:29] <nixternal> ScottK: there is no pushing...having a user tell you what they would like to see is no different than doing what is on the Kubuntu TODO list
[16:29] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes (see my recent rants on MOTU for why I'm doing less there).
[16:29] <nixternal> oh, I seen them :) hehe
[16:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: popcon is broken, iirc.
[16:29] <mhb> DaSkreech: me bad english
[16:29] <nixternal> yay, so where else could you get popular application information from?
[16:29] <mhb> DaSkreech: sorry for me, me no good english
[16:29] <nixternal> hrmm, the people who use it? :p
[16:29] <mhb> nixternal: right
[16:29] <ScottK> nixternal: Sure.  User is free to ask and I'm free to ignore.
[16:30] <mhb> also, there is a different thing
[16:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it might be fixed, i'm not sure.  it certainly was broken
[16:30] <mhb> we dont have that much space on the CD
[16:30] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you are right...I remember reading about it
[16:30] <mhb> I would like to consider whether some app would make as many users happy as the amount of translations we would bring instead
[16:31] <mhb> or rephrased: if you want to get something on the CD, make sure there is space for it :o)
[16:31] <nixternal> don't get me started on translations, because I am highly pissed at Rosetta right now :)
[16:31] <mhb> nixternal: you are nothing,
[16:31] <nixternal> gee thanks
[16:31] <mhb> nixternal: you would be after doing translations for like two years :o)
[16:32] <mhb> nixternal: I meant it well
[16:32] <Jucato> oh krap! openweek...
[16:32] <mhb> nixternal: of course, me bad english
[16:32] <nixternal> hehe, I know...I seen the comma, so I know you didn't finish it
[16:32] <mhb> nixternal: you are not as pissed as me, that is what I meant
[16:32] <Jucato> oh cancelled...
[16:32] <nixternal> mhb: bad english my arse :)
[16:32] <nixternal> I probably have worse english than everyone...I live in Chicago, we will never speak right :D
[16:32] <Jucato> :P
[16:33] <nixternal> we have every nationality there is in Chicago, so we mix it all up and come with some very unique lingo
[16:33] <mzungu> nixternal, arse/ass chicago?
[16:33] <nixternal> well, arse is cleaner and more fun to say :)
[16:34] <mzungu> :D
[16:34] <mzungu> depends what you used to wipe it with ;)
[16:34] <Jucato> and it's English :)
[16:34] <Jucato> (british...)
[16:34] <nixternal> that it be
[16:34] <Jucato> aye
[16:34] <mzungu> my point!
[16:36] <mhb> "to have this list presented on a new install"
[16:36] <mhb> oh my...
[16:36] <mzungu> ;)
[16:36] <mhb> has jr heard about the idea of presenting anything on a new install?
[16:36] <mhb> because I am sure he would be against it as he always was when it came to first-run pop-ups
[16:37] <mzungu> now then lad, what would tha' prefer
[16:37] <mhb> mzungu: hmm, not sure. Kubuntu.org page dedicated to that?
[16:37] <mzungu> (said with best 'yorkshire' accent)
[16:38] <nixternal> mhb: presented as in documented...and our documentation is available on a new install :)
[16:38] <mhb> mzungu: of course, all those packages important to the users should be available through the add/remove packages interface
[16:38] <mzungu> i'm thinking of newbies
[16:38] <mhb> nixternal: right, that is a good way
[16:39] <mzungu> adept with universe enabled by default is a bit daunting
[16:39]  * DaSkreech still theorises that in two years Ubuntu will suck :)
[16:39] <mhb> nixternal: I understood "presented" in a different way
[16:39] <nixternal> mzungu: I think a lot of new users are looking at the Add/Remove app for stuff
[16:39] <Jucato> DaSkreech: and how about Kubuntu?
[16:39] <mhb> mzungu: adept has universe by default
[16:40] <mhb> mzungu: or do you mean something else?
[16:40] <nixternal> but you are right, Adept is insane when you have have any repo enabled :)
[16:40] <mzungu> yes - and how is a newbie supposed to go through all the packages,
[16:40] <mzungu> and know what does what
[16:40] <nixternal> alphabetically from what I could see :p
[16:40] <mhb> search
[16:40] <nixternal> hehe
[16:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'm just saying that adding more functionality with only one CD is not maintainable
[16:40] <mzungu> without a bit of a helping hand
[16:40] <mhb> type a "rename" in his language into the search bar
[16:40] <DaSkreech>  KDE will probably be better since it can consolidate libs etc
[16:41] <DaSkreech>  But there is stil the underlying Ubuntu growth creep
[16:41] <mzungu> mhb, if you are a newbie - search for *what*?
[16:41] <mhb> mzungu: well I just thought I am a newbie and I want to rename multiple files
[16:42] <mhb> mzungu: I must admit I am not sure how the newbie really behaves
[16:42] <nixternal> what I think mzungu is trying to say, is it isn't presented to a new user cleanly..they are given a list of names with a description a developer has added to the debian/control file, which half don't make sense
[16:42] <nixternal> then use the wonderful app called KRename :)  </shameful plug>
[16:43] <mzungu> if we are trying to attract newbies to kubuntu, coming from another nameless os, we need more hand holding
[16:43] <DaSkreech> mhb: They open add/remove programs
[16:43] <mhb> DaSkreech: yes, and they can search for "rename" and find krename
[16:43] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[16:44] <mzungu> and how do they know, from the many rename hits, that krename is what they need?
[16:44] <DaSkreech> cause we filter on KDE by default?
[16:44] <mzungu> unless we help them along with a list of 'recommended' extras
[16:44] <nixternal> holy smokes
[16:45] <nixternal> I just searched for *rename* in adept...we definitely don't filter on KDE
[16:45] <mhb> nixternal: adept_installer?
[16:45] <mzungu> yeah - had to light one up ;)
[16:45] <nixternal> Adept Manager
[16:45] <mhb> nixternal: I think I found krename rather easily with that
[16:45] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, yes, adept manager is not really an application targeted at common users
[16:46] <nixternal> well I see KRename, but I also see cdrtoaster, firebird2*, gprename, and more
[16:46] <mhb> nixternal: which kind of contradicts the fact that it is on the CD :o) I would like to have a single package manager for sure, perhaps with single and advanced views.
[16:46]  * nixternal uses apt-cache search
[16:46] <Jucato> by default it filters/searches in name, description, and maintainer even...
[16:47] <nixternal> first time I opened Adept Installer in a long time
[16:47]  * Jucato doesn't like adept_installer's implementation, although the interface is fine...
[16:48] <nixternal> OK, time for me to go learn something...see ya'll later
[16:48] <Jucato> the part I don't like about the Add/Remove Programs stuff is that when you try to search for a package that isn't in the app-install-data database, it won't show up..and you'll think it doesn't exists, unless you search in adept manager
[16:48] <Jucato> nvm... :)
[16:49] <mzungu> i guess we are all seasoned users - and pretty much know what we want - from years of installing kde-based systems - personally, i prefer aptitude curses i/f than gui - but try telling that to a newbie
[16:49]  * Jucato shudders
[16:50] <mzungu> ...and dolphins should stick to the ocean, where they belong ;)
[16:50]  * mhb loves dolphin
[16:51] <mhb> really, I like it way more than konqui
[16:51] <mhb> of course, I never said it during the development cycle, at least I think so
[16:51] <mzungu> thank goodness for diversity!
[16:51] <Jucato> I like dolphins.... but not d3lphin :)
[16:51] <Jucato> I do like Dolphin though
[16:52] <mzungu> ah the well-known spleing mistook!
[16:53]  * mzungu => class :)
[16:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I meant add/remove
[16:58] <DaSkreech> damn :-)
[16:58] <Tm_T> nixternal: well thank you :)
[16:58] <DaSkreech> Are we going to have a Kde4-devel package?
[17:01] <stdin> that's just the -dev packages
[17:04] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[17:05] <DaSkreech>  I'm looking to make the transistion between Gutsy and Incontinent ibex one that's profitable for KDE4 users/devs
[17:41] <jpatrick> Mez: do you plan to do the knights merge?
[17:42] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: are you throwing that stuff into the debian kde svn?
[17:42] <Mez>  jpatrick wow, been a long time since that
[17:42] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I don't have an account... yet
[17:42] <Mez> drop me an email and I'll look it over later
[17:43] <milian> is there a package for the kde4 menu (the one based on the suse menu) ?
[17:43] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ah.  would be good to do that, then we dont have to keep merging every time.
[17:43] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I hang around #debian-qt-kde now, they don't accept "almost complete strangers"
[17:43]  * Hobbsee nods
[17:43] <jpatrick> Mez: I'll do it if you don't wanna
[17:44] <Mez> sup to ypou, ama t work atm though, so cant do anything
[17:44] <jpatrick> I'll do it then :)
[17:46] <DaSkreech> Ppor annma :-(
[17:46] <DaSkreech> Kickoff?
[17:49] <uga> DaSkreech: uh? poor annma?
[17:50] <uga> DaSkreech: poor you, that won't get to see her ;))
[17:51] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't anyway :)
[17:51] <DaSkreech> Though with the EU asking for help I may pop over and see her :)
[17:51] <DaSkreech> Help out with the children on weekends :-D
[17:53] <uga> heh, you don't know what you're saying
[17:54] <uga> keeping those under control is harder than coding the kernel in assembly ;)
[17:54] <DaSkreech> Who said anything about control?
[17:55] <uga> lol
[17:56] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: how do we deal with XSBC-Original-Maintainer in merges then?
[17:57] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: we keep it?
[17:57] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yo've seen the maintainer spec?
[17:57] <jpatrick> yes
[17:57] <jpatrick> but Debian doesn't have it
[18:18] <DaSkreech> I just found Ctrl+D in konqui
[18:19] <jpatrick> funny, I found that on my keyboard..
[18:36] <DaSkreech> I sure hope they fix that in gwenview4
[19:42] <DaSkreech> How is rraphink different from raphink ?
[19:45] <jpatrick> one has another 'r'
[19:46] <jpatrick> :>
[19:50] <jjesse> afternoon
[19:54] <DaSkreech> hiya
[19:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Just got my UDS plan sorted.  I'm registered now.
[20:06] <DaSkreech> !tuxracer
[20:06] <ubotu> Tuxracer is now renamed Planet Penguin Racer! The package is planetpenguin-racer in !universe. Enjoy.
[20:10] <uga> DaSkreech: add this one to the fork list ;) http://www.extremetuxracer.com/?screenshots
[20:10] <uga> I tried searching for ppracer, and I found a dead website (gone)
[20:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[20:10] <uga> this one seems to be alive
[20:11] <DaSkreech> I recalled that factoid which is why I checked for it
[20:12] <DaSkreech>  but there is no package for ETR so I guess I'll have to wait till that happens to change that :)
[20:12] <DaSkreech> !games
[20:12] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[20:12] <uga> DaSkreech: I wish somebody adds _code_ to it rather than new graphics
[20:12] <uga> it looks like the game remains pretty similar to the original one...
[20:14] <uga> just levels and new gfx added
[20:14] <DaSkreech> uga: Yeah we were just lamenting that there are no racing gmaes with network code in the Foss world
[20:15] <DaSkreech>  Strategy and Frozen Bubble seems to be it
[20:15] <uga> have you digged into http://www.happypenguin.org?
[20:15] <DaSkreech> Well For Tuxracer I think it's honestly nostalgia
[20:15] <uga> hwo about tuxkart? =)
[20:15] <uga> didn't that do networking?
[20:15] <DaSkreech> I have it load when I login into KDE :)
[20:16] <DaSkreech> no
[20:16] <DaSkreech> It allows multiple peopel to play on the same computer
[20:16] <uga> oh okay
[20:17] <DaSkreech> How come the official Ubuntu games arm gets away with doing everything in portugese ?
[20:18] <uga> wow, this "FIFE" engine thing looks impressive
[20:19] <Riddell> ScottK: when are you going to be here?
[20:19] <uga> http://wiki.fifengine.de/index.php?title=Screenshots
[20:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Any idea if the Live CD will support LVm in hardy ?
[20:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Sunday PM, Monday, and Tuesday.
[20:22] <Riddell> DaSkreech: dunno, ask evand
[20:22] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy
[20:22] <nixternal> oi
[20:22] <ScottK> The prices at the conference hotel are, um, stunning.  I'm staying about a mile away for substantially less.
[20:23] <Riddell> probably a good choice
[20:23] <nixternal> Riddell: you are already there?
[20:23] <nixternal> and what email did you CC me on?
[20:26] <Riddell> I'm here, used the e-mail address from launchpad
[20:34] <jpatrick> nixternal: do you have some time for revu? :)
[20:38] <nixternal> jpatrick: in a few minutes I will...link me homeskillet
[20:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, did you survive that important meeting?
[20:38] <nixternal> Riddell: would you mind if I created a poll, which I want to use mainly to find out what our users like, dislike, and would like to see in the future? maybe have something to base further studies on in the future?
[20:39] <nixternal> I will word it as to not implement Kubuntu in doing the study in order to incorporate what people want...I just want to know what is really popular in our repos, and see how users are using their machines
[20:40] <jpatrick> nixternal: I've +1ed apachelogger's packages: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=426 , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425 , just need another and I'll upload
[20:40] <nixternal> Riddell:
[20:40] <nixternal> People are interested, because the big-shots listen. You get people like the SABDFL himself in there fielding questions for two hours. You get guys like Jono Bacon, Rich Johnson, and John Riddell who sit around and joke with people, and listen to complaints and take suggestions.
[20:40] <nixternal> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2007/10/why_ubuntu_stil_4.html#comments
[20:40] <nixternal> that is a comment from a guy to the InfoWorld rubbish that went on
[20:40] <nixternal> Riddell: that right there man is a huge feeling of accomplishment!
[20:42] <_StefanS_> anyone here running the new fglrx ?
[20:43] <_StefanS_> I was wondering how fast the logout appears once you have clicked kmenu->Logout
[20:47]  * DaSkreech tries to deflate nixternal's head
[20:48] <nixternal> heh
[20:48] <jpatrick> nixternal: there will always be stupid people in this world :(
[20:49] <jpatrick> and they're just jealous that we > (them * 2000)
[20:49] <nixternal> one thing I do like, that guys writing style...he can really write a good article...but his little test has backfired...what do you expect from a cause and effect article really
[20:50] <nixternal> I think he could write a novel easily, but technical writing might not be his cup of tea
[20:50] <Tm_T> I wonder if manchicken will wake up soon
[20:50] <manchicken> Tm_T: Well if your momma wouldn't keep me up so late... heh
[20:50] <manchicken> Sorry, I couldn't resist a good momma joke.
[20:50] <Tm_T> :)
[20:50] <manchicken> It's a weakness, it really is.
[20:51] <DaSkreech> Can someone throw me the URL for the Gutsy Live Cd
[20:51] <nixternal> ya, manchicken, Freddy, and Eddy always get me with a mama joke...it is expected now when I am around them
[20:51] <Tm_T> manchicken: have you seen http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/gpl3-grey-02.png
[20:51] <DaSkreech> mommachicken ?
[20:52] <manchicken> heh
[20:52] <manchicken> Tm_T: Yes, I have.  It's pretty neat :)
[20:52] <manchicken> It just doesn't work too well on my resolution (1280x800 IIRC).
[20:53] <nixternal> manchicken: mine either, but that isn't stopping me from a little surprise for those of us w/o 430284032843208 x 308430284324 widescreens :)
[20:53] <Tm_T> manchicken: heh =)
[20:53] <manchicken> heh
[20:53]  * Tm_T has old 19" tube
[20:53] <manchicken> heh
[20:53] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to buy an imac for work.  Yuck.
[20:53] <manchicken> But that's the cost of going independent.
[20:58] <nixternal> manchicken: can you buy me one too?
[20:58] <nixternal> manchicken: I can get you a deal through my school, $200 off if you really need to get one
[20:58] <nixternal> it is either $200 off or more..can't remember
[20:58] <nixternal> I can price on if you are interested
[21:00] <DaSkreech> How do I pop up ktorrent from the sys tray
[21:00] <DaSkreech> Without a mouse?
[21:02] <nixternal> manchicken: which iMac were you looking at?
[21:02] <manchicken> I get to deduct it.
[21:02] <manchicken> The 20" 2.0GHz
[21:02] <DaSkreech> damn :-(
[21:02] <nixternal> $1,149
[21:02] <manchicken> It's a business expense, so I don't have to pay income tax on it.
[21:02] <manchicken> Well, I'm going to add some stuff to it, but it'll be about $1.3K
[21:03] <manchicken> $1,349
[21:03] <nixternal> like what?
[21:03] <nixternal> omg, memory for an iMac is ridiculous
[21:04] <manchicken> Yeah.
[21:05] <nixternal> $750 for a 4GB upgrade
[21:05] <nixternal> jeesh
[21:05] <mhb> good evening folks
[21:05] <mhb> it's time to do some productive work! :o)
[21:05] <DaSkreech> !install
[21:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:05] <nixternal> got my Gutsy CDs today
[21:06] <manchicken> I don't know if I need 4GB
[21:06] <nixternal> not for $750 you don't
[21:06] <manchicken> 2GB should be fine.
[21:06] <nixternal> you could almost buy another iMac for that price
[21:06] <mhb> 4GB? what for?
[21:06] <nixternal> memory for an iMac
[21:06] <mhb> 1GB is enough unless you want some java hacking
[21:06]  * ScottK isn't suprised.  Buy proprietary hardware and ...
[21:07] <nixternal> hey!
[21:07] <mhb> or more VMs at once
[21:07] <nixternal> mhb: don't you disrespect Java hacking...it pays the bills nicely!
[21:07] <nixternal> ;)
[21:07] <mhb> nixternal: sure, no problem with that
[21:07] <nixternal> hehe
[21:07] <mhb> nixternal: it's just that it eats memory fast
[21:07] <manchicken> I'm gonna be doing parallels.
[21:07] <mhb> ah, right. You're going to run OS X on it :o)
[21:07] <nixternal> man, Parallels is sweet
[21:08] <manchicken> I may do vmware fusion.  dunno.
[21:08] <nixternal> I seen a guy at the uni and I could see the Windows XP start menu, the Kubuntu kicker and the OS X top bar..I was like wth kind of wallpaper is that :)
[21:09] <manchicken> I just want to make sure I have everything I need to test.
[21:09] <mhb> of course, what crazy person would have an Apple hardware and run Kubuntu on it
[21:09]  * mhb *coughs*
[21:09] <manchicken> If I'm gonna do indy work I need to have every browser that a prospective client would want me to test on.
[21:09]  * manchicken hugs Kubuntu
[21:09] <manchicken> He didn't mean it baby.
[21:10]  * mhb considers wishing for Leopard for christmas
[21:10] <mhb> but I'm not sure if it's worth it
[21:10] <mhb> on the contrary - I am quite sure it isn't
[21:10] <mhb> virtual desktop is nothing I can be amazed with
[21:11] <manchicken> Even after the imac purchase, my system76 will still be my primary machine.
[21:12] <manchicken> I only spend about 30% or so of my work time in my office.
[21:12] <manchicken> And if I'm doing indy work, I'm hoping to spend maybe a little more, but not much more.
[21:12] <manchicken> Working in coffee shops is fun.
[21:18] <nixternal> no, coffee shops are fun, working isn't :)
[21:19] <manchicken> Depends on the work :)
[21:19] <uga> coffee shop assistant? =)
[21:19] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[21:19] <manchicken> heh
[21:19] <manchicken> My dad and I are thinking of starting our own business in the next year or two.
[21:19] <nixternal> I have always wanted to be a Chicken Acupuncturist
[21:20]  * uga does alcohol test to nixternal 
[21:20] <uga> is one allowed to code and svn commit in this state? =)
[21:20] <manchicken> heh
[21:20] <nixternal> hahahhaha
[21:20] <manchicken> That's the nice thing about indy contracting.
[21:21] <manchicken> They can't tell me when to work, how to work, or what to work with.
[21:21] <manchicken> If they do, then they have to deal with withholding my taxes and paying 3.5% of my social security contribution.
[21:21] <manchicken> See?  The IRS does do SOME good every once in a while :)
[21:25] <manchicken> w00t!  Emergency broadcast test!  It's my favorite show!
[21:29] <Riddell> win 96
[21:29] <Riddell> nixternal: yes that's fine
[21:29] <mhb> hi Riddell
[21:29] <Riddell> let us review it before you publish
[21:29] <Riddell> hi mhb
[21:29] <nixternal> Riddell: thanks
[21:29] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[21:29] <mhb> Riddell: how's USA?
[21:30] <Riddell> feeling a bit jet lagged and then some, I think I had too much free whisky this morning
[21:30] <manchicken> heh
[21:31] <manchicken> Riddell: See if you can get yourself some Wild Turkey Rare Breed whiskey.
[21:31] <mhb> Riddell: would you please blog about kubuntu-related events for us unlucky folks at home?
[21:32] <mhb> I mean the fosscamp events, which are not logged AFAIK
[21:32] <Riddell> sure, i'll try
[21:32] <mhb> thank you very much
[21:37] <nixternal> Riddell: oh man, if you get Wild Turkey, you better wear a few pair of undies underneath the kilt
[21:37] <nixternal> a diaper preferably...only big hillbillies like manchicken can drink that stuff w/o the really bad side effects :)
[21:40] <manchicken> nixternal: Just because you can't handle a whiskey with flavor to it doesn't mean that Scotsmen can't :P
[21:40] <manchicken> Rare breed is an excellent whiskey.
[21:40]  * n8k99 shudders at teh thought of manchicken wearing a diaper
[21:40] <nixternal> oh ya, I forgot about the whole "Scotsman" thing
[21:41] <manchicken> Although one of the whiskeys that someone gave me at UDS Sevilla was probably the best I've had.
[21:41] <manchicken> Riddell: Don't worry about nixternal.  Suburbanites have a history of having a hard time dealing with anything beyond Wal-Mart when it comes to excitement.  :P
[21:42] <nixternal> manchicken: ummmmmmmmm
[21:42] <nixternal> suburbanite here, yes, but you...wow, cornfieldanite :)
[21:42]  * manchicken is waiting.
[21:42] <manchicken> heh, I've got woods and a river, too.
[21:43] <nixternal> ruralanite
[21:43] <nixternal> there
[21:43] <manchicken> And oodles of prairie preserve :)
[21:43] <manchicken> nixternal: You're just jealous that I don't have to stab kill or mame to find a parking spot :P
[21:43] <nixternal> we have Fermi and that other place 2 miles from my house that I always forget the name of
[21:44] <nixternal> manchicken: forget parking spot, I have to stab, kill, or mame just to put the truck in "drive"
[21:44] <manchicken> heh
[21:44] <manchicken> I like my small town.
[21:44] <manchicken> It's nice.
[21:44] <n8k99> if i should up for a day or two at UDS Boston, will that be okay?
[21:44] <manchicken> And I don't have any corrupt idiot politicians at the local level.
[21:44] <n8k99> s/show/should
[21:44] <manchicken> n8k99: No.  You will be shot on sight.
[21:45] <n8k99> great!
[21:45] <n8k99> i'll feel like i'm in my hometown!
[21:45] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[21:45] <manchicken> n8k99: They do aim to please.
[21:45] <n8k99> aim. haha. very punny
[21:46] <nixternal> n8k99: your hometown doesn't shoot on sight, because if they did, then innocent people wouldn't be getting killed...silly drive by shooters
[21:46] <manchicken> heh
[21:46] <manchicken> They only shoot people they can't see?
[21:46] <n8k99> only if they are innocent
[21:47] <nixternal> you guys didn't know? holding a gun sideways immproves aim
[21:47] <mhb> all the guilty terrorists like me are outside the U.S.
[21:47] <nixternal> wow, talk about noobs :p
[21:47] <mhb> so they have to shoot the innocents
[21:47] <nixternal> mhb: hahahahaha, I am here inside the U.S....well I am not guilty yet
[21:48] <n8k99> nixternal you just haven't been told you are guilty yet
[21:48] <nixternal> true
[21:49] <manchicken> heh
[21:49] <manchicken> mhb: Quiet Al Queda.
[21:49] <nixternal> mhb: I feel that if they would let Jono in, then you should definitely be allowed as well :o
[21:50] <manchicken> mhb: I called my legislators on this.
[21:50] <manchicken> Barack Obama actually promised me that he'd try to fix that if he was elected prez in 2008.
[21:50] <manchicken> heh
[21:50] <nixternal> unless your laptop is made of C4 that is
[21:50] <nixternal> Ron Paul in '08!
[21:50]  * nixternal hurries away quickly!
[21:50] <manchicken> The guy actually listened to me while I explained the situation.
[21:51]  * manchicken shoots nixternal.
[21:51]  * n8k99 falls down, innocently
[21:51] <nixternal> hahaha, on "My Name is Earl" last night, she got mad at the stripper girl for tricking her...and she is like, damn I have been fooled by an alien, I am voting in 08
[21:52] <nixternal> lol
[21:52]  * ScottK low crawls to the corner
[21:52] <nixternal> n8k99: gahahah! pwnd
[21:52] <manchicken> heh
[21:52] <manchicken> Maybe we should all vote for Colbert.
[21:53] <nixternal> manchicken: that shot was close...I am in the midwest, and n8k99 is on the east coast...you need to twist the gun sideways a little more, and you will be well on your way
[21:53] <nixternal> I can't stand Colbert
[21:53] <manchicken> Everybody should just write in Steven Colbert.
[21:53] <manchicken> nixternal: And I should speed up.
[21:53] <nixternal> I don't like Maher either, but at least there is some good things on his show
[21:54] <nixternal> I just get tired of the whole "Bush and Cheney sit in the basement and come up with evil plans and carry them out"
[21:54] <manchicken> Did anybody see CSI:NY on Wednesday?  They have secondlife CSI now.  I wonder how much Linden Labs paid CBS for that one.
[21:54] <manchicken> heh
[21:54] <manchicken> What, they don't?
[21:54] <nixternal> you know, I did catch that, and I had think it over for a minute to realise that I knew what Second Life was
[21:55] <nixternal> there isn't one good politician in the US, hell there isn't even 1 bad pollitician, just thousands of pieces of trash
[21:55] <nixternal> I will once again, vote Mickey Mouse..unless like in 1991 or whatever it was (Bush Sr. vs. Clinton) where they removed the write in portion
[21:56] <manchicken> Sweet, my client is using openvpn.
[21:56] <manchicken> I didn't want to have to screw around with IPSec or some fancy client.
[21:56] <nixternal> Mickey Mouse uses OpenVPN
[21:57] <nixternal> manchicken: oh man, do you read the Onion at all?
[21:57] <manchicken> Naw
[21:58] <nixternal> well they were on campus a couple of weeks ago, and 3 students were picked to write an article in the onion-like satire
[21:58] <nixternal> one of them was "Obamma finds out his mom is white"
[21:58] <nixternal> I didn't know that it was satire, and I was sitting there like WTH
[21:59] <nixternal> the person who did the article, just so happens to be the president of the DuPage County Obama whatever it is called...I talked to him the other day and he had me rolling
[21:59] <nixternal> he reminded me of Robin Williams on Man of the Year
[22:00] <nixternal> we had Rudy last week for a town hall meeting, and for a couple of hours, all you could hear were a ton of people booing and chanting
[22:07] <nixternal> jpatrick: I have approved both packages
[22:07] <jpatrick> shall I upload?
[22:08] <nixternal> no no
[22:08] <nixternal> hold on
[22:08] <nixternal> I just noticed his Homepage:
[22:08] <nixternal> it needs to be under Description
[22:08] <nixternal>  .
[22:08] <nixternal>   Homepage: http://www.
[22:08] <jpatrick> nixternal: new Debian thingy they made
[22:08] <nixternal> what?
[22:09] <jpatrick> they changed it so it goes under Standards-Version
[22:09] <nixternal> alrighty then, if that is the new fad, then it is good
[22:09] <nixternal> I am glad you told me that
[22:09] <nixternal> so I need to go through my packages and fix that
[22:18] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: uploaded both
[22:19] <jpatrick> I'm off to bed
[22:19] <jpatrick> night
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> night jpatrick
[22:33] <BigPick> Good afternoon all.
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> hey BigPick
[22:35] <BigPick> Does anyone know the status of the feisty->gutsy update tools.
[22:36] <BigPick> That is, are we any closer to getting them to be stable?
[22:39] <mhb> BigPick: do you have any bugreports in mind?
[22:42] <BigPick> Dangit, my internet is all wonky.
[22:43] <mhb> 23:40 < mhb> BigPick: do you have any bugreports in mind?
[22:45] <BigPick> Indeed, 107188
[22:45] <BigPick> Bug: 107188
[22:45] <BigPick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed]
[22:45] <BigPick> dangit, how does that bot work...
[22:46] <mhb> BigPick: you write bug 1
[22:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[22:47] <mhb> does kde bug 151304 still work?
[22:47] <ubotu> KDE bug 151304 in general "game list drawing problem" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151304
[22:47] <mhb> excellent
[22:47] <mhb> BigPick: now you have a tutorial :o)
[22:47] <BigPick> I have been struggling with several others to find a resolution to this issue. To date, I have been unable to successfully update any of my three computers that run kubuntu.
[22:49] <mhb> BigPick: I think your best bet is to watch the bug report for news (subscribe to it)
[22:49] <mhb> BigPick: this bug should (in theory) be fixed by the Canonical developers, who created this update-manager tool
[22:50] <mhb> BigPick: so I am afraid no Kubuntu volunteer developer will find the time for fixing this, even more so because they do not really know the code
[23:00] <mhb> ooh, kubuntu 7.10 CD cover on planet