[00:23] <Mark76> Why does the conversation icon in the Pidgin Buddy list look like a couple of boiled eggs? :-/
[00:24] <evil_tech> ?
[00:24] <evil_tech> looks like two speech bubbles to me
[00:25] <Mark76> Are we seeing the same icon set?
[00:25] <Mark76> Evening Evil
[00:25] <evil_tech> late afternoon for me
[00:25] <evil_tech> :)
[00:25] <Mark76> Afternoon Evil
[00:25] <pimp^air> hi
[00:25] <evil_tech> good evening mark
[00:25] <pimp^air> i just upgraded to gutsy
[00:25] <Mark76> Cool
[00:26] <pimp^air> now my encrypted /home is broken again, as it was everytime i upgraded ubuntu before
[00:26] <Mark76> I couldn't get 3D to work properly in XFCE so I decided to not bother
[00:26] <evil_tech> really
[00:26] <evil_tech> you have xserver-xgl?
[00:26] <pimp^air> usually it all stops working, because /usr gets mounted after cryptsetup
[00:26] <evil_tech> and all the core compiz library
[00:27] <Mark76> Yeah
[00:27] <pimp^air> any ideas on how to delay the crpytdisks startup?
[00:27] <evil_tech> did you hit alt + F2 and then type compiz --replace
[00:27] <Mark76> When I restarted it just hung during the desktop loading
[00:27] <evil_tech> hmm
[00:27] <evil_tech> maybe yours was attempting to work like it should and be active at boot
[00:27] <Mark76> Crappydiscs start up?
[00:27] <evil_tech> still havent gotten it to do that
[00:28] <Mark76> I'll wait until XFCE has official Compiz support
[00:28] <Mark76> No big deal
[00:28] <evil_tech> anyone know when that will be?
[00:29] <Mark76> You encrypt your home folder, Pimp?
[00:29] <Mark76> I've never done that
[00:30] <pimp^air> Mark76: yes, i did using dapper i guess or breezy
[00:30] <Mark76> Ah.. Breezy. That takes me back
[00:30] <pimp^air> i usually put /var and /usr and /opt on different lvms
[00:30] <Mark76> *Screen goes wavy*
[00:30] <pimp^air> so when the cryptdisks get started, there's no /usr present
[00:30] <Mark76> *Harp sounds*
[00:31] <Mark76> Sounds complicated
[00:31] <pimp^air> and then it's all not finding libraries and dying and s**t
[00:31] <Mark76> I really wish I could help
[00:31] <pimp^air> so basically i'd like to have "starting remaining crypto-disks" after "checking file systems"
[00:31] <Mark76> But I have no experience of that sort of thing
[00:32] <evil_tech> yeah ive never messed with encryption
[00:32] <pimp^air> i don't know exactly how it was before in feisty, but i remember, that i had the same "get rid of /usr tools" issue back then
[00:32] <Mark76> Are you in the CIA, Pimp?
[00:32] <pimp^air> no
[00:32] <Mark76> FSB?
[00:32] <pimp^air> ?
[00:32] <pimp^air> why should i
[00:32] <Mark76> SIS?
[00:32] <pimp^air> hehe
[00:33] <pimp^air> Mark76: tell me your password! NOW!
[00:33] <evil_tech> KGB
[00:33] <pimp^air> *torture*
[00:33] <Mark76> My password is *****************************
[00:33] <Mark76> :D
[00:33] <pimp^air> hehe
[00:33] <evil_tech> mine is 11001111000001110101010111100111
[00:34] <pimp^air> if it wasn't for the easy way to get a recent xfce-installation, i'd be using fedora
[00:34] <pimp^air> :)
[00:34] <evil_tech> ah fedora
[00:34] <Mark76> What a good image viewer for Xubuntu?  I only have Gimp and that seems a bit much for looking at someone's snapshots
[00:34] <pimp^air> eog is pretty fast for that
[00:34] <evil_tech> qwenview works too
[00:35] <Mark76> Checking
[00:35] <evil_tech> i'd look but im downloading games :)
[00:36] <Mark76> I installed Alien Arena yesterday
[00:36] <evil_tech> thats what i am installing currently
[00:37] <evil_tech> i am trying to find a clone for geometry wars
[00:37] <Mark76> Geometry Wars?
[00:37] <evil_tech> its an xbox arcade game
[00:37] <Mark76> Ah
[00:37] <evil_tech> you fly around and shoot the little shapes and try to last as long as possible
[00:38] <evil_tech> ive found windows clones just trying to find a linux version in the repo
[00:38] <Mark76> Ah
[00:38] <Mark76> Poor little shapes :(
[00:38] <Mark76> *Sadness* :(
[00:38] <evil_tech> theyre evil empire building shapes that must be eliminated via my photon cannon >: D
[00:39] <evil_tech> FOR TERRA!!!
[00:40] <Mark76> OH okay
[00:40] <Mark76> Carry on then
[00:41] <pimp^air> where do i find a recent xubuntu image?
[00:41] <pimp^air> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[00:41] <pimp^air> there?
[00:42] <Mark76> Seems like a good place
[00:42] <Mark76> I wish AA had a window option
[00:45] <Mark76> Woohoo!  we have Pacman! :D
[00:46] <evil_tech> pacman!!
[00:47] <Mark76> Yeah Baby!
[00:49] <Mark76> Remind me. What are the gratis game choices in Windows?
[00:50] <evil_tech> solitaire, spider solitaire, internet chess checkers reversi, freecell and of course minesweeper
[00:50] <Mark76> How exciting
[00:51] <evil_tech> super exciting
[00:51] <Mark76> I'm so excited I may have to go and have a little lie down
[00:52] <Mark76> We can send each other files in here!
[00:53] <evil_tech> really?
[00:53] <evil_tech> how
[00:53] <Mark76> Well, I just right clicked on your name in the menu and that was one of the options I got
[00:54] <evil_tech> so it is
[00:54] <evil_tech> server might block it though
[00:54] <Mark76> I'm testing it now
[00:54] <Mark76> Ah
[00:54] <Mark76> :(
[00:55] <Mark76> I think you're right
[00:56] <Mark76> Oh well
[00:57] <Mark76> So. What useinterface are you using at the moment?
[00:58] <Mark76> user interface
[00:59] <evil_tech> right now im in ubuntu so i can play with compiz without hassle
[00:59] <Mark76> I'm using Xfce-Stellar with the Galaxy windows manager
[01:00] <evil_tech> i havent played with the different styles and themes in xfce yet
[01:00] <Mark76> There's quite a choice
[01:00] <Mark76> THough I suspect I may have added some from somewhere
[01:02] <Mark76> I love the analog clock option
[01:02] <evil_tech> oh i found widgets
[01:02] <Mark76> Widgets?
[01:03] <Mark76> where?
[01:03] <evil_tech> linux version of konfabulator
[01:04] <Mark76> What's that?
[01:04] <evil_tech> you have little programs to monitor various things, display info etc
[01:05] <Mark76> Oh those
[01:05] <Mark76> I knew about that
[01:06] <Mark76> I've just activated compositing in the Xfce window manager
[01:07] <evil_tech> sweet
[01:07] <Mark76> Hopefully it'll run a bit smoother this time
[01:07] <evil_tech> what finally got it working
[01:07] <Mark76> NO, not Compiz
[01:08] <Mark76> Compositing
[01:08] <Mark76> Transparency and shadows
[01:08] <evil_tech> you can do that without compiz? thought you needed that
[01:08] <evil_tech> wish i would have known that from the get-go
[01:10] <Mark76> Yeah
[01:10] <Mark76> Window manager tweaks in the settings menu
[01:11] <evil_tech> now i cant get those cause it doesnt know what wm im using
[01:12] <Mark76> Oh dear
[01:13] <Mark76> Damn.  Looks like you can't play Tremulous on your own
[01:16] <evil_tech> man my connection is slow
[01:16] <Mark76> I have to run Pacman from a command line :(
[01:17] <evil_tech> can you make a launcher?
[01:17] <Mark76> Yeah
[01:17] <Mark76> But my panel is pretty crowded
[01:17] <evil_tech> i try to keep mine as sparse as possible
[01:18] <evil_tech> otherwise i get lost trying to find the right launcher
[01:20] <Mark76> Iconbox helps to keep things under control
[01:20] <evil_tech> whats that?
[01:22] <Mark76> It's an addition to the Xfce panel that shows programs you have running as icons rhater than text
[01:25] <Mark76> I should go to bed
[01:25] <Mark76> It's 1:30am here
[01:26] <evil_tech> wow
[01:26] <Mark76> Night Techie
[01:27] <Mark76> tech
[01:28] <evil_tech> thnight
[02:44] <pimp^air> crypted disks don't work in the alternate textinstaller using the xubuntu-alternate iso
[02:44] <pimp^air> known issue?
[02:44] <pimp^air> md5sum verified ok
[02:44] <pimp^air> "Starting up the partitioner" when chosing configure crypt disks
[02:45] <pimp^air> hanging is 35dump
[02:45] <pimp^air> has enough ram
[02:55] <pimp^air> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-md/+bug/154502
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154502 in partman-md "partitioner crashes with random encryption key." [Undecided,New]
[02:55] <pimp^air> found it
[02:55] <pimp^air> ubotu: thank you
[02:55] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:56] <pimp^air> hehe
[03:19] <edner__> hi, does anyone have a workaround for the Network Manager keyring request at login?
[03:19] <edner__> I tried installing libpam-gnome-keyring, which seems to have made it even worse
[03:20] <edner__> (this occurs when NetworkManager attempts to connect to a wifi network btw)
[03:24] <klaxian> hello
[03:24] <klaxian> i'm trying to configure x to use a 1366x768 resolution...is that possible?
[04:00] <fluffman> what are some generic xorg device drivers I can try?
[04:00] <fluffman> neomagic sucks :(
[04:02] <crimsun> vesa.
[04:06] <mikubuntu> hey everybody, have a look at how comcast is blocking certain kinds of webtraffic: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/
[04:26] <PiousMinion> I'm a member of the cdrom group and the drom group has RW on /dev/scd0, but every disc I put in my burner.....     brasero says it's un-writable.    clues?
[04:29] <PiousMinion> Then I can't eject the media without yanking the power to the burner.
[04:31] <PiousMinion> The damn thing reads data like a crack feind, but idk why it won't burn. lol
[04:59] <homebrewcider> where can I find the latest hcl please?
[05:06] <homebrewcider> never mind
[05:10] <batyy> ppl how can i format a hard drive in xubuntu?
[05:11] <batyy> im newbie
[05:25] <joeamined> hi folks
[05:25] <joeamined> how can i prevent non admin users from removing the xfce-panel ?
[05:30] <alnokta> kick them a little
[05:30] <joeamined> haha
[05:30] <joeamined> no seriously
[05:31] <alnokta> i don't know, so i just said useless stuff :P
[05:31] <joeamined> lol
[05:31] <alnokta> you can make a group
[05:31] <joeamined> yep
[05:31] <alnokta> and add them to it and restrict
[05:31] <alnokta> what they can do
[05:31] <joeamined> but what privilege influences this thing
[05:32] <alnokta> no idea ;)
[05:32] <joeamined> i don't know if removing the panel is linked to a privilege
[05:32] <joeamined> :)
[05:32] <alnokta> whats the problem in removing it anyway?
[05:32] <joeamined> well somebody asked me this question
[05:33] <joeamined> he is using xubuntu in a network in a school
[05:33] <joeamined> and he wants to prevent non admin users from removing the panel
[05:34] <alnokta> may be change the owner of xfce4-panel?
[05:35]  * alnokta don't knows, and suggests waiting for somebody else
[05:35] <joeamined> thanks for trying to help :)
[06:10] <homebrewcider> probably a stupid question, but I'm looking at  a new  computer that has an Intel Core 2 Duo E2140, and can't find it on HCL anywhere
[06:11] <homebrewcider> anyone running one of these?
[06:18] <zoredache_> not that exact cpu here, but I am sure it will work
[06:23] <homebrewcider> specs I was quoted are Core 2 Duo E2140, 4mb level 2 cache
[06:25] <homebrewcider> and motherboard, guy was flustered but reckon it is Gigabyte vm900m
[06:25] <homebrewcider> gotta check back
[06:40] <homebrewcider> when I get the new pc, can i just reinstall xubuntu and copy home back over?
[06:40] <homebrewcider> _/home that is
[06:42] <PiousMinion> that should work
[06:42] <homebrewcider> should?
[06:42] <homebrewcider> hmmm
[06:42] <homebrewcider> 'not sounding real confident
[06:43] <PiousMinion> I would have said "absolutely will" but you would hunt me down if something went wrong.
[06:43] <homebrewcider> hehe
[06:43] <homebrewcider> good comeback
[06:43] <PiousMinion> hehe
[06:44] <homebrewcider> hmm, according to intel e2140 has 1mb of level 2 cache, not 4
[06:47]  * PiousMinion doesn't touch intel.
[06:49] <homebrewcider> i've got an AMD now and it's the noisiest f***** around
[06:49] <PiousMinion> your processor makes noise?  weird.  lol
[06:50] <homebrewcider> and I was trying to record albums (vinyl) to the HDD and was sh!te because of computer noise
[06:50] <homebrewcider> first thing I heard from computer shops, many of them too
[06:51] <homebrewcider> not discernable until playing back recorded sound
[06:51] <PiousMinion> How is the processor making noise?
[06:51] <PiousMinion> interference?
[06:51] <PiousMinion> RF *
[06:51] <homebrewcider> couldn't make it out just listening to the computer
[06:51] <homebrewcider> they all said noisy mother board and processor
[06:51] <homebrewcider> wasn't a grounding issue
[06:51] <homebrewcider> either
[06:51] <homebrewcider> been there
[06:52] <homebrewcider> it's just a loud computer
[06:52] <homebrewcider> listened to my mate's computer and you coiuld hardly tell it's on
[06:52] <PiousMinion> so it's RF interference.  I'm not sure the processor would cause that, but maybe amd boards tend to carry the same audio chipsets which aren't that great.
[06:53] <PiousMinion> idk
[06:53] <homebrewcider> and his is a dell ffs
[06:53] <homebrewcider> inserted a num,ber of other sound cards into it, still had the problem
[06:56] <PiousMinion> There's one way I can think of to help determine if it's the proc.   remove speakers and stream your audio output over a network.
[06:58] <homebrewcider> can't fo that but recored as I was saying with no speakers attached into 3 different sound cards, still had problem , recored no input, ie just computer itself and noise shows up every time
[07:00] <PiousMinion> well, from that we knows it's on the board, but to determine what on the board idk.
[07:00]  * PiousMinion can't type.
[07:00] <homebrewcider> thast
[07:01] <homebrewcider> that's the sort of problem i want to avoid with this new setup I'm looking at
[07:01] <homebrewcider> know what I mean?
[07:01] <PiousMinion> aye
[07:02] <PiousMinion> could solder a crap load of ground wires all over the board. lol
[07:02] <homebrewcider> hehe
[07:03] <homebrewcider> getting a new pc anyway so this new one will do all the recording hehe
[07:04] <homebrewcider> ok, back to computer shop, thanx guys
[07:11] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> hello/
[07:11] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> ??
[07:12] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> where is everyone?
[07:12] <PiousMinion> on my screen they are to the right.  :)
[07:13] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> nobody is talking or ??
[07:13] <PiousMinion> I'm the only one I suppose. heh
[07:13] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> oh
[07:14] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> thats weird why is there such a long list of logged on users?
[07:14] <PiousMinion> Much of IRC is like that unfortunately.  People just stay in IRC channels further congesting the intarwebs.
[07:15] <PiousMinion> When I'm gone I'm gone.  *shrugs*
[07:15] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i have been kicked off ubuntu both regular and non topic and it's been like a month
[07:15] <PiousMinion> banned from #ubuntu ?
[07:15] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i never did anything to warrent a boot either
[07:16] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> yea #ubuntu
[07:16] <PiousMinion> #ubuntu consists of a bunch of 12 years old asking questions blatantly answered in the FAQs. heh
[07:16] <PiousMinion> I stay away.  :)
[07:17] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i had discovered ubuntu actually I put xfce on that's how I knew about this channel
[07:18] <PiousMinion> ubuntu is great if you have the cpu cycles and ram to throw away. hehe
[07:18] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> anyways i had to go back to XP cuz i own the only printer on earth that didnt have a linux option without bottoming out on disc space
[07:18] <PiousMinion> lol
[07:18] <PiousMinion> nice
[07:19] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> no i loved ubuntu i just like xfce better for me
[07:19] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i like the way you can drag stuff across 4 screens
[07:19] <PiousMinion> same here.  Easier to install xubuntu and have xfce4 by default.
[07:20] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> makes lots of room and i can do insane things with just a little 256ram system
[07:20] <PiousMinion> aye
[07:20] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> yea xubuntu is even a little inflated for my liking
[07:21] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i like to just start from xfce and go from there on my own
[07:22] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> you know one thing i thought was cool in kde id like to see make it's way into xfce is the "wallet" for passwords and stuff
[07:22] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> id like to see it go a little deeper like generating it's own keys etc
[07:22] <PiousMinion> hmm
[07:22] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> that would be sweet
[07:24] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> anyways i had JUST got done installing XP back on and i was just so used to going and hanging out online with everyone from ubuntu i went back and i asked someone if there was any where I could "openSource" windows
[07:25] <PiousMinion> I don't understand that question.
[07:25] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> as stupid as it sounds it is freenode's most popular channels
[07:25] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> one of i mean
[07:26] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> its at least in the top 100 ha ha
[07:26] <PiousMinion> What did you mean by "any where I could "openSource" windows"  ?
[07:26] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> its something like M.S. open source or something
[07:27] <PiousMinion> I still have no clue what you mean.
[07:27] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> anywhoo i asked someone on the ubuntu channel if they knew what the channel's # was and i said what i just told you about my printer
[07:29] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> and then i said a couple of the things i noticed about my computer that werent negative regarding XP and boom next thing i knew i was kicked off
[07:29] <mindframe-> so the "auto failsafe graphics" stuff is worthless if you cant even get to a console to fix stuff
[07:29] <mindframe-> how the hell do you disable it?
[07:29] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> it's been over a month now
[07:29] <PiousMinion> mindframe-:  huh?
[07:30] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> what "graphic fail safe"?
[07:30] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> GIMP?
[07:30] <mindframe-> gutsy has a "feature" where if X does not start properly then it goes to "safe mode"
[07:31] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> can't you disable it?
[07:31] <mindframe-> all it does for me is take me to a black screen where ctrl+alt+bkspc or ctrl+f* does nothing
[07:31] <mindframe-> thats what im trying to figure out
[07:32] <PiousMinion> mindframe-:  Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't work ?
[07:32] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> have you tried doing whatever you tried to do originally through terminal?
[07:33] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> mindframe: what is the feature called "exactly"
[07:33] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> ??
[07:33] <mindframe-> "failsafe graphics mode"
[07:33] <mindframe-> or something similar
[07:34] <mindframe-> PiousMinion, no it doesnt
[07:35] <PiousMinion> mindframe-: well that isn't fun.
[07:37] <mindframe-> guy in #ubuntu said to rename /etc/gdm/failsafeXinit
[07:37] <mindframe-> testing now
[07:38] <mindframe-> i think my new raid card is having some kind of irq conflict with my nvidia card
[07:38] <PiousMinion> certainly possible
[07:40] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> mindframe: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/01/201200
[07:40] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> http://www.nraged.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10116&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
[07:44] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/29/ubuntu-xorg-maintainer-demonstrates-bulletproof-x
[07:44] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> that one should be better
[07:44] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> Minset:did you follow slashdot through and end up here already?
[07:45] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> mindframe:sorry lol
[07:46] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> good luck!
[07:49] <mindframe-> no irq conflict, just that failsafe garbage messing with my xorg conf
[07:50] <mindframe-> chmod -x /etc/gdm/failsafe*
[08:01] <homebrewcider> does gutsy utilise dual core?
[08:09] <warbler> this gives some clues - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3564496#post3564496
[08:09] <homebrewcider> ok
[08:09] <Doomguy0505> Is Sony DDU1611 DVD known to not work with Xubuntu? The CD is always defected when run on the computer with the DDU, but other CD-ROM drives work with it
[08:15] <warbler> Doomguy0505: there doesn,t seem to be any complaints I can find
[08:16] <warbler> does it work on another comp?
[08:35] <Doomguy0505> warbler: Yes, all the other computers pass the defects check
[08:39] <warbler> what's the defects test?
[08:41] <Doomguy0505> warbler: In the DDU, the defects varies each time, so there must be a reader problem
[08:42] <warbler> Doomguy0505: what sort of defects are you talking about?
[08:43] <Doomguy0505> Files not matching the hashes
[08:44] <warbler> is it a md5 checksum?
[08:45] <Doomguy0505> Yes
[08:46] <warbler> so burning with the sony always gives errors but other devices don't - yes?
[08:49] <warbler> Doomguy0505: if you are burning an OS then everyone will tell you to burn it slowly - 4X is the best
[08:49] <Doomguy0505> Last attempt, I tried a lot of CDs, with each speed possible, all failed
[09:10] <warbler> Doomguy0505: I can't find any other people having issues like your's - maybe , if it is not speed than the device might be faulty?
[09:11] <Doomguy0505> I can't really tell, since it lacks diagnostics
[09:15] <warbler> Doomguy0505: does it play a retail dvd ok?
[09:15] <Doomguy0505> Yes
[09:15] <Doomguy0505> And it installs XP
[09:17] <warbler> try using k3b as burning software - I had problems with gnomebaker but changing to k3b got things working
[09:25] <Doomguy0505> I have burned from Ubuntu and Nero
[09:26] <warbler> Doomguy0505: so it is just xfburn is it?
[09:26] <Doomguy0505> I burned with gnomebaker and I have burned with Nero on Windows XP
[09:37] <warbler> Doomguy0505: sorry - don't know what else to add...
[09:37] <Doomguy0505> I could always just use cygwin
[09:42] <warbler> I use xubuntu on a headless server to burn and it works well with k3b
[10:30] <MaxFrames> hello
[10:42] <warbler> !hi
[10:42] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[10:53] <MaxFrames> quick & lame question: how do I check which version of xubuntu I am running?
[10:54] <warbler> MaxFrames: in terminal type - uname -a
[10:54] <warbler> "uname -a"
[10:55] <MaxFrames> uname -a
[10:55] <MaxFrames> it returns what I think is the linux kernel version?
[10:55] <MaxFrames> 2.6.20-16-generic
[10:56] <MaxFrames> ok, I got it
[10:56] <MaxFrames> cat /etc/issue
[10:57] <warbler> or try - lsb_release -a
[10:58] <MaxFrames> strange though... I am running v7.04 and the update manager is not presenting me with the distribution upgrade option to install 7.10
[10:58] <MaxFrames> it did on another 7.04 install I have here
[10:58] <MaxFrames> possibly because update manager has to be updated as well (I didn't use this laptop for months)
[10:59] <MaxFrames> what do you think?
[11:04] <warbler> gksu update-manager -d is what you need to get 7.10 - is that what your using?
[11:05] <MaxFrames> I am using the GIU
[11:05] <MaxFrames> *GUI*
[11:14] <MaxFrames> anyway I'm installing a batch of 7.04 updates now, let's see if the upgrade option appears afterwards
[11:24] <TangBaBa> Good evening, everyone. Anyone up to help a noob?
[11:26] <MaxFrames> I'm a noob as well, but who knows... :P
[11:27] <totalwormface> !ask
[11:27] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:27] <totalwormface> :]
[11:27] <TangBaBa> Well, I've got kind of a simple question first which might null the need ask anything else.
[11:28] <TangBaBa> I'm running Xubuntu (Gabby) on an old Sony Vaio P3 (900MHz or thereabouts) with only 192MB of RAM.
[11:28] <TangBaBa> My question (and background) is this:
[11:28] <MaxFrames> "gabby"?
[11:28] <TangBaBa> I forgot the name of the newest release.
[11:28] <TangBaBa> Gibson?
[11:28] <MaxFrames> gusty gibbon :P
[11:28] <TangBaBa> Something like that. There we go.
[11:29] <TangBaBa> New it was a G-word.
[11:29] <totalwormface> :D
[11:29] <totalwormface> i like this question already
[11:29] <TangBaBa> Anyhow- I'm using the Wiki to try and use NDiswrapper to get the Belkin wireless card that I bought the other day working.
[11:30] <TangBaBa> I'm at the point where I run modprobe, but it just hangs.
[11:30] <TangBaBa> Is this an operation that will simply just take a lot of time because this machine is ancient, or is probably generating a segmentation fault, not doing anything else, and I just don't know about it.
[11:31] <totalwormface> TangBaBa: have you searched the forums for anyone with problems with this specific type
[11:31] <TangBaBa> Pardon the typing.
[11:31] <TangBaBa> I've seen several people having problems with this particular Belkin card.
[11:32] <TangBaBa> Unfortunately, I just bought this one, and mine seems to be a newer version than the ones others have addressed in the forums (or at the least the posts I've come across).
[11:32] <MaxFrames> oh anyway it is "gutsy" and not "gusty"... my fault :P
[11:33] <totalwormface> TangBaBa: and the workarounds for those types are not functioning on yours?
[11:33] <TangBaBa> Everyone in the forums had different, creative ways of dealing with the problem of getting this card to work (thought apparently it works straight out of the box for some people)... But I wanted to try the "official" wiki solution first.
[11:33] <totalwormface> (btw, i really don't know one thing about wireless / ndiswrapper :P)
[11:33] <totalwormface> good choice
[11:33] <TangBaBa> Do you know anything about running modprobe?
[11:34] <totalwormface> nah, i tried to fix a webcam with modprobe once but i failed horribly :P
[11:34] <TangBaBa> As I recall from the man page, it is messing around with the kernel...
[11:34] <totalwormface> so no help from me there either, lol
[11:34] <TangBaBa> =P
[11:34] <TangBaBa> So I don't know if it's just something that will take a while on a P3...
[11:35] <TangBaBa> It's been running for about 10 minutes already with no output (even though I used a verbose switch).
[11:36] <MaxFrames> if you're not in a hurry, you'd probably better let it run for some time
[11:36] <TangBaBa> I'm not.
[11:36] <TangBaBa> Just running depmod took around 4 minutes or so...
[11:36] <MaxFrames> if it's not done in an hour or so, then you'll probably be able to assume it's stuck
[11:36] <TangBaBa> I think I'll just go to sleep and see if anything is different in the morning.
[11:37] <TangBaBa> I was just so hoping to have it working before I went to work tomorrow =P
[11:37] <TangBaBa> Thanks guys- have a great night/morning/afternoon - whichever is appropiate for your time zone =)
[11:40] <totalwormface> *^_^*
[11:40] <MaxFrames> I had to gksu update-manager -d to get the distro upgrade option... strange, I didn't have to with the other PC
[11:40] <totalwormface> people who get happy with no solution
[11:53] <benpicco> Hi, i started the update on an quiet old machine ca. 1h ago and now it tells me there is still 1h left - well, the pc has to be turned off in ca. 45m - can i abort the update then without risking to break the system_
[11:53] <benpicco> ?
[11:54] <MaxFrames> what update? feisty to gutsy?
[11:54] <benpicco> yes
[11:54] <benpicco> the cdrom updater
[11:54] <totalwormface> benpicco: is it still downloading or installing?
[11:55] <benpicco> its already installing
[11:55] <MaxFrames> I'm doing the same and it's already installing... I can't see a "pause" or "cancel" option
[11:56] <MaxFrames> I think you'd better let it run... do you absolutely have to switch the system off?
[11:56] <benpicco> well, the power is turned off then
[11:56] <MaxFrames> and that is not under your control, is it?
[11:56] <benpicco> no, its not, the room is cloes then
[11:56] <MaxFrames> mm, tough one
[11:57] <benpicco> i hoped i could finish it within 1.5h
[11:59] <MaxFrames> if you kill the process, perhaps odd results will arise
[12:00] <benpicco> and if i go in hibernate mode?
[12:00] <MaxFrames> that could work
[12:00] <MaxFrames> if you can pause the task and then hibernate
[12:01] <benpicco> i started it fromn console so it might be posible
[12:03] <MaxFrames> anyway, 4:40 remaining here :P
[12:04] <MaxFrames> good thing it's a laptop
[12:04] <benpicco> erm, how to pause the proess best_
[12:04] <benpicco> ?
[12:10] <benpicco> uing ctrl+z to pause it - and how to resume again?
[12:13] <benpicco> so fg %1 will work after resuming, too, i hope...
[12:13] <MaxFrames> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/10308-can-i-pause-command-execution.html
[12:14] <MaxFrames> good luck
[12:14] <MaxFrames> indicating 1:48 here now :)
[12:14] <benpicco> oops
[12:15] <MaxFrames> just for the sake of curiosity: what kind of place disconnects the power from all workstations at a given time of the day?
[12:16] <benpicco> i clicked on the End button in the upper rigt corner - and the effect bluring the screen normally crashed x
[12:17] <benpicco> im at school atm ,)
[12:19] <benpicco> well, seems like dpkg --configure -c can fix it
[12:20]  * MaxFrames goes to lunch
[12:45] <excalibasr_> hello, how can i chose which programs start on boot? i have 7 nm-applets each time i restart... please help
[12:46] <excalibasr_> i am using xubuntu 7.10
[12:54] <_dillinger> oh man, I upgraded to gutsy and now my printer doesn't work
[12:54] <_dillinger> or it "works", but it prints blank pages :(
[12:55] <_dillinger> it worked fine under the previous release and was supported fine with drivers etc
[12:55] <_dillinger> I guess I broke the golden rule of computing "if it works, don't fuck with it"
[13:04] <_dillinger> :(
[13:09] <Pixilarion> _dillinger: did you do a distupgrade?
[13:09] <Pixilarion> or clean install?
[13:23] <SoulChild> hey all, is there a way to change from 32-bit to 64-bit without loosing my configuration ????
[13:24] <MaxFrames> help!!!! while I was at lunch the 7.10 installation went crazy
[13:25] <MaxFrames> I found the screensaver active and locked, I typed the password (100% sure it's correct, obviously) and it did not accept it
[13:25] <totalwormface> SoulChild: is your /home on a different partition than your / ?
[13:26] <MaxFrames> so I clicked on "new login" and now I am presented with the 7.10 login window and I can't do anything
[13:26] <SoulChild> totalwormface: nope,... but i am able to back it up ;)
[13:26] <MaxFrames> a popup windows saying "authentication failed" keeps on popping up
[13:26] <MaxFrames> I can't click on anything or type anything
[13:26] <totalwormface> SoulChild: probably all you need are the files in /home, there ubuntu stores most of your configuration :]
[13:27] <MaxFrames> what the .... is happening? :(
[13:27] <SoulChild> totalwormface: i know ,... but .... well ... how do i backup my package-configurare ( the package that are installed, and those which arenot )
[13:28] <totalwormface> well, that is the whole point of a fresh install isn't it? :P
[13:28] <totalwormface> MaxFrames: that really is bad stuff
[13:28] <totalwormface> MaxFrames: did you ask in #ubuntu?
[13:29] <MaxFrames> heeelp
[13:30] <MaxFrames> I had to restart, so maybe now my 7.10 install is toast :(
[13:31] <MaxFrames> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)
[13:32] <MaxFrames> I knew it....
[13:32] <MaxFrames> and now?
[13:32] <MaxFrames> heeeeeelo
[13:32] <MaxFrames> p
[13:32] <totalwormface> MaxFrames: did you have a seperate /home partition?
[13:32] <totalwormface> then you could try a clean install
[13:33] <totalwormface> otherwise, try a livecd, backup your files and do a clean install
[13:33] <MaxFrames> :(((
[13:33] <totalwormface> breaking up an upgrade is nasty :]
[13:33] <MaxFrames> I do not understand what happened.... I left the installer working... why the **** did it CHANGE my password?
[13:34] <MaxFrames> now I can't even boot this stupid thing
[13:34] <keitherz> heeeeeeeeeellllllllppppppppppp!!!!!!!!
[13:34] <keitherz> my windows partition is blah!!!
[13:34] <MaxFrames> I am able to enter the recovery mode though
[13:35] <MaxFrames> what can I do from there to try and recover?
[13:35] <totalwormface> retry the upgrade?
[13:35] <MaxFrames> how?
[13:35] <keitherz> Unexpected clusters per mft record (-1).
[13:35] <totalwormface> update-manager -d
[13:35] <keitherz> Failed to mount '/dev/hda5': Invalid argument
[13:36] <totalwormface> dpkg update-manager -d :]
[13:36] <keitherz> The device '/dev/hda5' doesn't have a valid NTFS.
[13:36] <MaxFrames> ok I am able to boot with kernel 2.6.20
[13:36] <MaxFrames> not with 2.6.22
[13:36] <totalwormface> 22 is the gutsy one
[13:37] <MaxFrames>  dpkg update-manager is not accepted
[13:37] <keitherz> how can i remove the old kernels
[13:38] <MaxFrames> update-manager -d does not work either
[13:38] <totalwormface> MaxFrames: sorry, it's just 'update-manager'
[13:39] <keitherz> hello
[13:39] <MaxFrames> does not work
[13:39] <keitherz> can someone read all my above post
[13:39] <MaxFrames> "segmentation fault" + a lot of other stuff
[13:39] <totalwormface> MaxFrames: how did you upgrade in the first place?
[13:39] <MaxFrames> update-manager
[13:40] <totalwormface> gahh, i don't understand what's happening :]
[13:41] <MaxFrames> how do I apt-get gutsy?
[13:42] <MaxFrames> I found a post in a forum which suggests sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:42] <MaxFrames> let's go=>fingaz cross'd
[13:42] <totalwormface> could work :]
[13:43] <MaxFrames> keitherz: can you access the ntfs partition with windows?
[13:43] <keitherz> no
[13:43] <MaxFrames> then it's probably corrupted
[13:43] <keitherz> i think that means my windows is hoste
[13:44] <MaxFrames> "hoste"?
[13:44] <keitherz> typo
[13:44] <keitherz> host
[13:44] <keitherz> nvm that WORD argh!!
[13:44] <keitherz> my windows is dead
[13:45] <MaxFrames> try to repair the file system using a disk scan&repair tool
[13:47] <MaxFrames> it's going on somehow, but keeps saying "regenerating font cache" every two or three lines
[13:50] <keitherz> uhm
[13:50] <keitherz> max
[13:51] <keitherz> what software can i use for that
[13:51] <MaxFrames> dunno...
[13:52] <MaxFrames> perhaps http://www.diskinternals.com/
[13:57] <keitherz> i need one for linux
[13:57] <MaxFrames> sorry, don't know any. try to google for it
[14:00] <MaxFrames> oh goooosh
[14:00] <MaxFrames> now the prompt has disappeared
[14:00] <MaxFrames> what the....
[14:01] <MaxFrames> bah... reboot
[14:02] <MaxFrames> looks good... the mouse has appeared :)
[14:03] <MaxFrames> except it won't get past that :(
[14:05] <keitherz> hehe
[14:05] <keitherz> im on xubuntu with compiz fusion and my memory could still take it
[14:10] <MaxFrames> gosh... it was reasonably quick with 7.04 and it's dead on 7.10.....
[14:10] <MaxFrames> it takes an hour to do anything
[14:11] <MaxFrames> i hadnt realised gutsy was that much heavier than feisty
[14:11] <MaxFrames> it format=>reinstall feisty :/
[14:12] <MaxFrames> and i thought the system requirements were the same
[14:17] <keitherz> uhm
[14:18] <keitherz> is that xubuntu
[14:18] <MaxFrames> it is
[14:19] <MaxFrames> gonna try something lighter, like ubuntu lite or absolute
[14:19] <MaxFrames> i want a linux with GUI and basic office software which runs really FAST on old (pentium III class, 64 to 128 mb RAM) machines
[14:20] <MaxFrames> i'll install it to revive old laptops
[14:20] <MaxFrames> stuff which originally shipped with win 2000 or win me
[14:24] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: well, xubuntu is probably the best you will do to fit your needs unless you want to "roll your own" setup from a base debian system and then build it from the ground up
[14:26] <MaxFrames> which i am not able to do
[14:26] <MaxFrames> anyway xubuntu does not run reasonably well on this machine, it just can't handle it
[14:26] <MaxFrames> strange because it handled 7.04 pretty well
[14:27] <MaxFrames> unfortunately I have no time to study, search, build, compile, test: i need a quick solution to put back these venerable machines on the road
[14:28] <MaxFrames> who cares about bells and whistles.... as long as they work well
[14:29] <MaxFrames> I'd just like to know why 7.10 is crawling where 7.04 walked
[14:34] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: honestly, i don't know ... i don't run xubuntu anymore, all my systems run custom config'd debian systems because i wanted more performance and more stability
[14:34] <maxamillion> hiya grazie, long time no speak
[14:35] <keitherz> ah MaxFrames
[14:35] <keitherz> have you tried DSL befor
[14:36] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: if you are going to go the route of DSL, you might want to give fluxbuntu a look before going to something that is so hack-job
[14:37] <keitherz> oh
[14:38] <MaxFrames> fluxbuntu? I don't know it... is it suitable for my needs in your opinion?
[14:38] <keitherz> why wont MaxFrames talk
[14:38] <keitherz> now he did
[14:38] <MaxFrames> and whats dsl?
[14:39] <keitherz> damn small linux
[14:39] <MaxFrames> ah ok
[14:40] <grazie> hi maxamillion, how are you? I tend to get outdoors a lot when the weather is more favourable
[14:42] <MaxFrames> fluxbuntu seems to be unavailable for download at this time
[14:49] <MaxFrames> PIII 969 MHz/64 MB: do you think DSL will run well?
[14:49] <keitherz> yea
[14:49] <keitherz> i think
[14:49] <MaxFrames> it's way above the min specs
[14:50] <MaxFrames> it's not booting anyway :/
[14:50] <MaxFrames> i made a live cd with dsl current and it's stuck on the acpi detection
[14:50] <keitherz> acpi
[14:51] <keitherz> what acpi?
[14:51] <MaxFrames> ac battery button fan processor thermal
[14:51] <MaxFrames> does not boot
[14:52] <MaxFrames> this is getting boring
[14:52] <keitherz> oh that
[14:53] <keitherz> there is a solution
[14:53] <MaxFrames> ?
[14:54] <MaxFrames> please tell me that, or it will be "Damn Useless Linux" for me :P
[14:55] <MaxFrames> perhaps "failsafe"?
[14:55] <MaxFrames> no, that just gives me a prompt
[14:56] <MaxFrames> dsl no apm
[14:56] <MaxFrames> nope, same as before
[14:57] <mindframe-> wait for the fluxbuntu :)
[15:08] <keitherz_> sorry
[15:09] <keitherz_> it was a power surge
[15:10] <MaxFrames> I will try puppylinux
[15:10] <MaxFrames> if that fails too, i'll give up :(
[15:11] <MaxFrames> puppy linux sounds good anyway... I can always spank it if it bisbehaves
[15:11] <MaxFrames> *mis*
[15:12] <keitherz_> oh that puppt
[15:12] <keitherz_> puppy
[15:12] <keitherz_> well the waggy tail pisses me off
[15:14] <MaxFrames> lol... poor puppy
[15:14] <MaxFrames> let's see how well it does... live cd ready
[15:15] <MaxFrames> here, puppy, here... fetch!
[15:15] <keitherz> whats RC?
[15:16] <MaxFrames> release candidate, i'd say
[15:16] <keitherz> its always in Ubuntu Gusty RC fusion
[15:16] <keitherz> its always in Ubuntu Gusty RC compiz fusion
[15:19] <MaxFrames> gee... the loading process is *slow*
[15:21] <MaxFrames> god damn it! it's stuck again!
[15:22] <MaxFrames> I'm starting to think there is no such thing as a lightweight linux
[15:22] <MaxFrames> "get current hardware or get screwed"
[15:42] <ous> hey all
[15:42] <ous> I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old Vaio PCV-200 with a newer 80GB HDD in ot
[15:42] <ous> *it
[15:43] <ous> so the issue is whenever I boot up Grub fails on Stage 2 with Error 18
[15:44] <ous> reccomendations?
[16:53] <minimec> Hi. I would like to change the icon of some of my folers in Thunar. Is that possilbe, as there is no such function in the properties menu of a folder...
[17:06] <hyper__ch> hiho
[17:06] <minimec> hi ;)
[17:08] <minimec> hyper__ch: You use Thunar I guess don't you?
[17:09] <minimec> hyper__ch: Is it possible to give some custom icons to a folder?
[17:11] <hyper__ch> minimec: I don't use thunar
[17:11] <minimec> hyper__ch: ok thx
[17:11] <hyper__ch> I prefer Konqueror
[17:12] <minimec> I never gave konqueror a real try...
[17:12] <minimec> .. or let's say a real chance..
[17:40] <The_ManU_212> hi
[17:42] <The_ManU_212> ich hab gerade von feisty auf gutsy grafisch mit xfce upgedatet, alles lief gut bis auf einmal die atstatur und maus nicht mehr ging und eine frage zum behalten eienr config kam, ich konnte nichts machen und so habe ich xfce-session gekillt und neu egstartet, ist mein system jetzt schrott?
[17:42] <alnokta> when you type in terminal and what you type comes delayed, what is the cause of that?
[17:42] <evil_tech> you need to be in the deutsch channel
[17:42] <evil_tech> slow system
[17:42] <evil_tech> !de
[17:42] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:43] <alnokta> he is gone already
[17:43] <The_ManU_212> hier
[17:43] <The_ManU_212> pidgin crashes
[17:43] <alnokta> slow system on the host?
[17:43] <The_ManU_212> what happened?
[17:43] <alnokta> or me?
[17:43] <minimec> The_ManU_212: hier ist eigentlich ein englischer channel? starte das system im recovery mode. wenn grub kommt die esc taste drücken
[17:43] <The_ManU_212> ok didnt know sry
[17:43] <The_ManU_212> minimec: and then?
[17:44] <The_ManU_212> pidgin isnt very stable
[17:44] <The_ManU_212> afk for some minutes
[17:44] <alnokta> evil_tech: ?
[17:44] <evil_tech> yes
[17:44] <evil_tech> sorry was playing collapse
[17:44] <minimec> The_ManU_212: sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg. You will have to answer some questions. if you're not sure about the driver of you card take the vesa driver.
[17:45] <alnokta> evil_tech: which is slow..my computer or the host itself?
[17:45] <evil_tech> well are you logged into the terminal remotely?
[17:46] <minimec> The_ManU_212: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... sorry ;)
[17:46] <evil_tech> if remote then maybe the the host is slow or the connection is experiencing some lag
[17:46] <alnokta> evil_tech: yes
[17:47] <alnokta> ah it must be the connection
[17:47] <alnokta> thx
[17:47] <evil_tech> yup
[17:47] <Mark76> What's the off topic channel called?
[17:47] <Mark76> Hey Evil
[17:47] <evil_tech> hey mark
[17:48] <Mark76> How's it going?
[17:48] <evil_tech> pretty good getting ready to go to work
[17:48] <evil_tech> you?
[17:48] <Mark76> OKay
[17:48] <Mark76> Just sitting around
[17:49] <Mark76> I've spent most of the day installing games from the repos and finding out just how bad I am at FPS
[17:49] <evil_tech> lol
[17:49] <evil_tech> my games await on my work computer
[17:49] <Mark76> I suspect not having a joystick doesn't help
[17:49] <evil_tech> should have finished downloading and installing last night
[17:49] <Mark76> Cook
[17:49] <Mark76> Cool
[17:49] <Mark76> But...
[17:50] <Mark76> Shouldn't you be working on your work computer?
[17:50] <evil_tech> meh need something to occupy time after i set systems up for installation
[17:50] <alnokta> Mark76: frame per second?
[17:50] <Mark76> First Person Shooter
[17:51] <Mark76> Ah, I see Evil
[17:51] <evil_tech> but i must get going. ill see you again once im logged on at work
[17:51] <evil_tech> ta
[17:51] <jarnos> Hi, is it meant that pasword is asked after suspend?
[17:51] <alnokta> agh
[17:51] <Mark76> Yes
[17:51] <jarnos> It did not for me.
[17:52] <jarnos> on Gutsy.
[17:52] <Mark76> LUcky you
[17:52] <Mark76> Ever played Alien Arena?
[17:52] <minimec> jarnos: You have to activate that for your screentsaver I think. It should work for suspend I think
[17:54] <Mark76> My suspend is wonky. So I can't help
[17:56] <alnokta> whats the development release?
[17:56] <Mark76> Erm
[17:56] <alnokta> post gutsy i mean
[17:56] <Mark76> Hardy Heron
[17:56] <Mark76> 8.04
[17:56] <Mark76> LTS
[17:57] <alnokta> is there anything we can install yet?
[17:57] <Mark76> How adventurous do you feel?
[17:58] <alnokta> :)
[17:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: as long as your installation is not critical for your life
[17:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: for example, if you use it for work, then don't
[17:59] <alnokta> ah
[17:59] <alnokta> i use it for other things, yes
[18:00] <TheSheep> it's a work in progress, and although it usually works more or less, it can sometimes break hard or even corrupt data
[18:00] <The_ManU_213> gaim never chrashed pidgin every five minutes
[18:00] <The_ManU_213> so i didnt get you cause of several crashes
[18:01] <alnokta> so i will stick with gutsy then :)
[18:01] <TheSheep> alnokta: compulsive upgrader? ;)
[18:01] <The_ManU_213> i upgraded feisty to gutsy but had to restart xfce-session so that the upgrade has been terminated too
[18:01] <Mark76> I've not had any problem with Pidgin crashing
[18:01] <The_ManU_213> how can i see if my system is fine or i have to reinstall it?
[18:02] <alnokta> TheSheep: :P
[18:02] <TheSheep> The_ManU_213: run the upgrade again?
[18:02] <Mark76> Hey Sheep
[18:02] <The_ManU_213> Thehm
[18:02] <TheSheep> hi Mark76
[18:02] <The_ManU_213> The Sheep how?
[18:02] <alnokta> OCU
[18:02] <minimec> alnokta: I started to use gutsy with tribe5 on my test system. I will do the same with Hardy. I f you want to test... try Debian Lenny ;)
[18:02] <TheSheep> The_ManU_213: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:02] <Mark76> Does Pidgin support webcams?  I haven't seen the option anywhere
[18:03] <TheSheep> hi SamRose :)
[18:04] <The_ManU_213> argh strange pidgin
[18:04] <alnokta> minimec: i did that from fiesty, kept upgrading till gutsy :)
[18:04] <TheSheep> Mark76: I guess not, I've heard some rumours they were working on it, but I might have mixed something up
[18:04] <The_ManU_213> ehm there is all fine
[18:04] <Mark76> You want strange pidgin me show you Dodo
[18:04] <The_ManU_213> i broke the upgrade and then i had to reconfigure dpkg and all seems to be fine but not all was installed
[18:05] <jarnos> minimec: I played with screen saver settings and set it so suspend when I close the laptop cover, in return I am asked password, but not if I choose the suspend from xfce4-panel.
[18:05] <Mark76> Thanks Sheep
[18:05] <TheSheep> The_ManU_213: then install the xubuntu-desktop package
[18:05] <TheSheep> The_ManU_213: it will pull in all parts of xubuntu
[18:05] <SamRose> Hey TheSheep :)
[18:06] <The_ManU_213> minimec what did you say to do with my "broken" system?
[18:06] <The_ManU_213> can you all upgrade with no issue grphically?
[18:06] <jarnos> Can anybody else return to desktop from suspend without being asked password?
[18:06] <Mark76> Nope
[18:07] <minimec> The_ManU_213: can you change to a console on your system with <alt>F1 ?
[18:07] <jarnos> Mark76: provided you can return from suspend.
[18:08] <minimec> jarnos: I use e17 as window manager with some gtk apps. So I cannot help you with the xfce4-panel.
[18:08] <Mark76> Which I can't
[18:08] <minimec> oups... time is running.. have to go cu
[18:09] <Mark76> Does anyone know how to add items to the menus?
[18:10] <jarnos> Mark76: right-click the menu
[18:10] <Mark76> That doesn't work in Xubuntu
[18:11] <TheSheep> Mark76: settings->menu editor
[18:11] <Mark76> That doesn't look like the applications menu, Sheep
[18:12] <TheSheep> Mark76: yes, because it's generated form the system icons, but you can add your own items in there, and they will show up
[18:13] <The_ManU_213> minimec, i know how to change to a console but how to check the system i think there went something wrong with dist-upgrade cause i had to kill it ( x mouse and keyboard crashed no navigation possible)
[18:14] <Mark76> How do I add an item to, say, the games menu?
[18:14] <TheSheep> Mark76: create a 'games' submenu and add an item to it
[18:15] <TheSheep> Mark76: place them above the system include
[18:15] <Mark76> But there's already a games submenu
[18:15] <TheSheep> Mark76: not in the editor
[18:15] <TheSheep> Mark76: basically, the menu you are editong is later being merged with the system-generated one
[18:17] <evil_tech> hmm apparently direct rendering is not enabled on my system
[18:17] <Mark76> kay, Where do I click first?
[18:17] <Mark76> I have the menu editor open
[18:18] <jarnos> Mark76: try right click on system
[18:19] <jarnos> Mark76: add entry.
[18:20] <jarnos> I have opposite problem. I want to remove items from a submenu.
[18:20] <jarnos> I have some entries in Other submenu added by Wine.
[18:21] <jarnos> I have uninstalled the respective windows application, and even upgraded ubuntu, but the menu entries remain.
[18:22] <fro> so uh
[18:22] <fro> anyone around to help?
[18:23] <Mark76> I set up a sub menu called games and added a game to it but it isn't showing up in the pop up menu
[18:24] <jarnos> Mark76: did you save?
[18:24] <fro> anyone else here use bitchx?
[18:24] <Mark76> Yes
[18:25] <alnokta> this is weird, can you open turtle.ignorelist.com ?
[18:25] <alnokta> it was working just yesterday
[18:26] <Mark76> Damn. It's in the Settings menu
[18:26] <Mark76> Now I need to kinow how to remove stuff as well
[18:26] <evil_tech> having to start my wm manually is really getting annoying
[18:26] <fro> alnokta, no, doesn't work
[18:27] <alnokta> i get network timeout on my 127.0.0.1
[18:27] <alnokta> :(
[18:28] <alnokta> there is something wrong
[18:28] <fro> clearly
[18:28] <alnokta> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart won't fix it
[18:28] <alnokta> and /var/log/apache2 don't have anything
[18:29] <jarnos> Mark76: move the menu above system by clicking the arrows, then save.
[18:30] <alnokta> could this be the reason? Oct 26 17:19:40 lost-desktop avahi-daemon[4726]: No service file found in /etc/avahi/services.
[18:31] <Mark76> Now I have two games menus
[18:31] <jarnos> Mark76: you mean games and Games?
[18:33] <fro> bleh
[18:33] <Mark76> Yes
[18:33] <alnokta>  GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 743 "-" " what does that mean?
[18:33] <jarnos> Mark76:  Try to rename the other to Games
[18:35] <silliness> evil_tech, sup
[18:35] <ProducedRaw> how can i disable tooltips?
[18:35] <evil_tech> hola
[18:36] <silliness> 5 dolla
[18:36] <silliness> anyway
[18:37] <silliness> tried to burn again and still very very slow evil_tech
[18:39] <alnokta> TheSheep: any idea why apache isn't responding? even on localhost 127.0.0.1 or 10.0.0.12
[18:40] <evil_tech> well it is a 366mhz
[18:40] <TheSheep> alnokta: I really hate apache and refuse to support it, aks on #apache :)
[18:40] <evil_tech> if you cant ping your loopback then there is something wrong with your tpp/ip stack
[18:41] <alnokta> TheSheep: what server do you use then?
[18:41] <evil_tech> tcp/ip*
[18:41] <alnokta> evil_tech: it was working fine and i haven't changed anything in Network
[18:42] <TheSheep> alnokta: lighttpd
[18:42] <Mark76> I can't do it :(
[18:42] <Mark76> I'm going to have dinner
[18:42] <alnokta> its pretty straight forward, install apache, open the port on the router, then it works.
[18:42] <Mark76> Bye for now
[18:42] <evil_tech> something is wrong. that is why they have you ping the loopback. it is to test that the tcp-ip stack is functioning
[18:42] <TheSheep> alnokta: you also need to tell apcahe on what port and IPs to listen
[18:43] <TheSheep> evil_tech: he's not pinging it
[18:43] <alnokta> TheSheep: by default as always, it listens on 80
[18:43] <TheSheep> alnokta: on which ip?
[18:43] <alnokta> and i open 80 by default and 443 for ssl
[18:43] <TheSheep> alnokta: have you looked into the logs?
[18:44] <evil_tech> whats he doing with it?
[18:44] <evil_tech> thats what i get for coming in the middle of a conversation
[18:44] <alnokta> TheSheep: yes, syslog, apache2/access.log error.log , nothing novel
[18:45] <alnokta> TheSheep: open turtle.ignorelist.com and i will give you what it makes on access.log
[18:45] <silliness> evil_tech, can you think of anything else why  I am burning so slow
[18:46] <evil_tech> nope not a clue other than what i have suggested already
[18:48] <alnokta> evil_tech: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42263/
[18:50] <evil_tech> alnokta: yeah that is bad. i dont know how one would go about fixing it either. i just know it means that tcp/ip is not working
[18:51] <evil_tech> maybe uninstall and reinstall tcp/ip?
[18:51] <jarnos> Anybody have idea how to remove the Other menu?
[18:52] <jarnos> A submenu generated by Wine, I suppose.
[18:52] <TheSheep> jarnos: put that app in some other submenu
[18:53] <TheSheep> jarnos: copy relevant file from /usr/share/applications/ to ~/local/share/applications/ and edit it
[18:53] <TheSheep> jarnos: edit the 'Categories' entry to put it in some other menu
[18:53] <TheSheep> jarnos: or add 'hidden: true' to make it hidden
[18:54] <alnokta> evil_tech: how? ;)
[18:55] <evil_tech> looking in synaptic to see if it is a package. b
[18:58] <alnokta> that is strange, it opens in http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://turtle.ignorelist.com/
[18:58] <alnokta> but not with localhost
[18:58] <alnokta> or the local ip
[18:59] <evil_tech> so you can ping outside your local network?
[19:00] <alnokta> evil_tech: you mean like websites?
[19:00] <jarnos> TheSheep: I can't find relevant files. The entries are Windows application names.
[19:01] <evil_tech> yeah
[19:01] <jarnos> TheSheep: they got there when I installed a windows application using wine.
[19:01] <TheSheep> jarnos: grep for them
[19:01] <alnokta> evil_tech: sure
[19:01] <alnokta> --- yahoo.com ping statistics ---
[19:01] <alnokta> 19 packets transmitted, 18 received, 5% packet loss, time 18008ms
[19:01] <alnokta> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 255.364/259.217/261.552/1.748 ms
[19:01] <TheSheep> jarnos: ah, then they will probably already be in ~/local/share/applications/
[19:02] <alnokta> evil_tech: what do you get whne you ping me 81.10.39.193 ?
[19:03] <jarnos> TheSheep: there is no such directory.
[19:03] <evil_tech> alnokta: ping is successful
[19:03] <TheSheep> jarnos: .local
[19:03] <TheSheep> jarnos: sorry
[19:04] <jarnos> TheSheep: it's getting hot :)
[19:05] <alnokta> evil_tech: why i cannot ping myself then ;)
[19:05] <evil_tech> so tpc/ip is apparently fine if you can ping outside and people can ping you
[19:05] <zoredache> hold on...
[19:05] <evil_tech> firewall?
[19:05] <zoredache> alnokta: are you behind a broadband router?
[19:05] <TheSheep> evil_tech: ping has noting to do with tcp
[19:06] <TheSheep> evil_tech: it's icmp
[19:06] <evil_tech> i know that
[19:06] <zoredache> what is the ip address of your computer?
[19:06] <zoredache> not the ip of your router?
[19:06] <alnokta> zoredache: yes, 81.10.39.193
[19:06] <alnokta> evil_tech: i didn't install any firewalls
[19:06] <zoredache> when you have a broadband you will have to screw around with dns
[19:06] <evil_tech> but when you ping the loopback that is to test the tcp/ip protocol stack. everything else is to see if there is connectivity
[19:06] <s|k> why would a user not be able to see a directory in another user's home directory even though permissions are set to read?
[19:06] <TheSheep> alnokta: linux comes with a firewall build in in kernel
[19:07] <zoredache> your router will not NAT internal traffic destined for internal hosts
[19:07] <TheSheep> s|k: you need an x on a directory to enter it
[19:07] <SunZ-_> hola
[19:07] <TheSheep> s|k: and on all the directories above
[19:07] <alnokta> zoredache: uhm but it worked before? ;)
[19:07] <s|k> an x is for execute?
[19:08] <alnokta> TheSheep: how can i see its configuration then?
[19:08] <TheSheep> s|k: execute for files, end enter fo directories
[19:08] <s|k> ohh
[19:08] <zoredache> did you have an entry in the hosts file that gave your internet IP for the hostname?
[19:08] <TheSheep> alnokta: iptables -L
[19:08] <zoredache> *internal* ip
[19:08] <SunZ-_> i just installed xubuntu 7.10 but i have a strange problem... an half wsod! when login.. half of the screen is white... and of course all is blocked.. any suggestion ?
[19:08] <alnokta> zoredache: let me check
[19:10] <TheSheep> alnokta: 'ip a' will tell you
[19:11] <LycanNyc-work> hello guys..
[19:11] <alnokta> zoredache: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42268/
[19:11] <alnokta> TheSheep: should i sudo iptables -L or normally it should give info?
[19:11] <jarnos> TheSheep: rm -r wine/ in ~/.local/share/applications/ did the trick. (I had formatted / during upgrade and don't have wine installed anymore.)
[19:12] <jarnos> TheSheep: thanks
[19:12] <TheSheep> alnokta: sudo
[19:12] <zoredache> so  if you connect with a browser to http://10.0.0.12 you don't get anything?  how about if you telnet to 10.0.0.12?
[19:12] <zoredache> or netcat to 10.0.0.12 on port 80
[19:13] <evil_tech> well that sucked
[19:13] <evil_tech> stupid game
[19:13] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42269/
[19:13] <alnokta> zoredache: yes network timeout in the browser
[19:13] <TheSheep> alnokta: ok, so no additional firewall rules
[19:14] <alnokta> telnet: could not resolve to/10.0.0.12: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[19:14] <TheSheep> alnokta: what does 'ip a' say?
[19:15] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42270/
[19:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: ok, so your local ip is 10.0.0.12
[19:16] <alnokta> TheSheep: i know :)
[19:16] <zoredache> ok, so if you use the command 'nc 10.0.0.12 80' you get an error?
[19:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: I wonder why you don't have an IP on your loopback device
[19:17] <alnokta> even ssh is messed up and won't allow me to login
[19:17] <alnokta> TheSheep: how can i add it?
[19:17] <zoredache> how is that static adddress get configure?
[19:17] <zoredache> can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[19:17] <TheSheep> alnokta: sudo ip a a 127.0.0.1/8 dev lo
[19:18] <alnokta> i added it through system->network
[19:19] <alnokta> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42272/
[19:19] <alnokta> TheSheep: i executed that
[19:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: uncomment the first two lines
[19:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: in your interfaces
[19:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: they are needed
[19:20] <TheSheep> alnokta: what does 'ip a' say now?
[19:20] <zoredache> it should probably look more like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42273/
[19:21] <garuhhh> hi! does xubuntu have all the applications pre-installed in ubuntu?
[19:21] <TheSheep> garuhhh: no
[19:21] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42274/
[19:21] <TheSheep> alnokta: do you have ping to localhost now?
[19:22] <garuhhh> TheSheep: i kinda liked the vncviewer in ubuntu.. is it in xubuntu? am still downloading xubuntu now..
[19:22] <zoredache> garuhhh: no, it doesn't have everything preinstalled
[19:22] <zoredache> garuhhh: everything is available to install though
[19:22] <alnokta> no, may be i should restart networking? TheSheep
[19:22] <TheSheep> garuhhh: you can install any apps from ubuntu in xubuntu, they just don't come preinstalled
[19:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[19:23] <TheSheep> hi slow-motion
[19:23] <garuhhh> zoredache: which programs can you say are not in xubuntu?
[19:23] <slow-motion> hi TheSheep
[19:24] <zoredache> garuhhh: on an installed system do an apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop.  You'll get a list of all the packages.  You can compare that with an 'apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop'
[19:24] <garuhhh> zoredache: ok... unfortunately, i'm still downloading xubuntu now.
[19:25] <alnokta> still nothing :(
[19:25] <garuhhh> thesheep: how do i do that?
[19:26] <zoredache> garuhhh: the easiest way to get everything on 'ubuntu', onto a system that you installed with a xubuntu cd would be to use the command 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' from the terminal
[19:26] <zoredache> erm... maybe not the 'easiest', but that would work anyway
[19:27] <garuhhh> zoredache: wow thanks! i'll be needing that..
[19:28] <alnokta> TheSheep: what should i do now?
[19:28] <garuhhh> i kinda miss that installation method where you click all apps you wanted to be installed upon linux install.. that's available in ALTERNATE cds right?
[19:28] <garuhhh> i used mandriva before..
[19:30] <evil_tech> how do i turn compiz off?
[19:32] <Adriaan_> Hey
[19:32] <zoredache> evil_tech: you could probably kill compiz, and you might have to restart xfwm4
[19:32] <evil_tech> think i might just uninstall compiz. tired of starting it up at boot and i think its why i cant get this game to work
[19:34] <alnokta> is it possible to 'downgrade'? ;)
[19:35] <zoredache> alnokta: not easily... it may be possible, but you are more likely to get a very broken system
[19:35] <alnokta> ;)
[19:36] <TheSheep> garuhhh: no, that's not available, you can just install all the apps you need after you installed the base system
[19:37] <garuhhh> thesheep: oh ok.. so it requires more work then.. hmmm..
[19:39] <TheSheep> garuhhh: how is selecting them after install more work than selecting before?
[19:39] <evil_tech> well compiz is gone but i have no window manager now
[19:39] <TheSheep> garuhhh: at least you can try them and see if you need them
[19:39] <zoredache> start xfwm4
[19:40] <evil_tech> sudo xfwm4
[19:40] <zoredache> I don't think you would want to use xudo for that...
[19:41] <zoredache> the windows manager should be ran as the user...
[19:41] <garuhhh> thesheep: normally, i already know which ones i'll be using, atleast those i've used before.. while it's installing, i just kinda leave the pc and just wait till its finished.
[19:42] <garuhhh> i mean, the OS and apps will be installed "all at once" :)
[19:42] <TheSheep> garuhhh: ok, so here you have two waiting steps
[19:42] <garuhhh> thesheep: ah yes.. that's what i meant :D
[19:42] <evil_tech> hopefully i dont have to start it up at boot everytime
[19:43] <TheSheep> garuhhh: that's because *buntu are supposed to more complete products, rather than 'build your own system' kits
[19:43] <zoredache> evil_tech: make sure you save your session when you log out
[19:44] <garuhhh> thesheep:  rather than 'build your own system' kits >> what do you mean?
[19:45] <TheSheep> garuhhh: the developers already made some decissions for the users about which applications maight be best for them -- it's not good for everyone, but surelly makes it easier for first-time linux users
[19:45] <TheSheep> might
[19:45] <evil_tech> how do you turn on direct rendering? thought that was turned on when you installed the ati driver?
[19:45] <TheSheep> garuhhh: and the advanced users know how to change that
[19:47] <garuhhh> thesheep: ah yes. i agree.. though at first i was really having problems downloading the apps i wanted. my pc is not connected to the internet, so dependency problems were annoying.
[19:48] <TheSheep> garuhhh: there is apt-zip for that
[19:48] <TheSheep> garuhhh: it will download the packages and dependencies and put them in a zip archive
[19:49] <garuhhh> thesheep: apt-zip? how is that? my pc is not connected to the internet.. and the ones i'm using to connect are windows.
[19:49] <TheSheep> garuhhh: ah, that's bad
[19:49] <garuhhh> linux is not that popular in internet cafe's here in our place
[19:49] <TheSheep> garuhhh: carry a livecd with you ;)
[19:49] <garuhhh> so when i'm looking for apps, i have also to look at dependencies... "manually"
[19:50] <alnokta> it works!
[19:50] <TheSheep> alnokta: amazing
[19:50] <garuhhh> thesheep: unfortunately, internet cafe's dont provide cdrom drives :(
[19:50] <alnokta> now i need to note how it is fixed so i can do it for another computer :)
[19:50] <garuhhh> that's why i was looking for debian based linux which can run on usbs
[19:51] <TheSheep> garuhhh: xubuntu can run from an usb, I think
[19:51] <jarnos> I had a little power management issue: I just came to computer, tried to unlock, computer suspended, tried to return, computer suspended, tried to return, computer hibernated, started computer, after login it complained hibernation did not work, even if I think it was the only thing that worked this time!
[19:51] <alnokta> TheSheep: can you open turtle.ignorelist.com ?
[19:51] <garuhhh> thesheep: will it still take around 500MB?
[19:51] <garuhhh> my usb is only 512 :(
[19:51] <TheSheep> garuhhh: yes, use DSL for smaller
[19:52] <TheSheep> garuhhh: I think DSL is about 50MB
[19:52] <garuhhh> yeah... i got dsl installed on my usb.. but haven't tried it yet
[19:52] <garuhhh> thesheep: the pc i'm using now can't boot on usb :(
[19:52] <TheSheep> garuhhh: I thik there is a program for that
[19:53] <garuhhh> thesheep: the one which will use floppies?
[19:53] <TheSheep> garuhhh: lets you boot from usb after you booted windows, or somehting like that
[19:53] <alnokta> TheSheep: can you give me the part of the log in which i talked about teh problem?
[19:53] <TheSheep> alnokta: I don't keep logs
[19:53] <TheSheep> alnokta: wai,t I will paste it
[19:53] <alnokta> ;)
[19:54] <garuhhh> thesheep: hmmm.. haven't heard of that..
[19:54] <alnokta> ok thanks :)
[19:54] <maxamillion> alnokta: the ubuntu bot keeps logs, you can check the official ubuntu log server
[19:54] <alnokta> i keep my own too, just not chatzilla, where is that maxamillion ?
[19:55] <maxamillion> garuhhh: there is a program called "master boot floppy" or something of the sort that will install to a floppy and then you boot from your floppy drive and it gives you the option to boot from almost every interface of your machine and it just does a "virtual boot" and tells your bios its booting from floppy but streams the input from whatever interface you selected
[19:56] <garuhhh> thesheep: sorry if i'm a bit going away from xubuntu, but have you tried dsl? last time i tested it, it was looking for the KNOPPIX file system, i checked and there was a folder named Knoppix, and a file named knoppix inside.
[19:56] <garuhhh> thesheep: that's using my usb.
[19:57] <graelb> hi there. Anyone know why i would be getting a "Required: Non-windows generic openGL 1.4.0 drivers" error whenever i ran a hardware scan on KOTOR 2?
[19:57] <garuhhh> thesheep: ah ok.. heard of that floppy software thing.. but haven't tried it yet.
[19:58] <maxamillion> graelb: sounds like you either don't have 3d drivers installed or that you are running something from wine and i don't know how much about that
[19:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: http://sheep.art.pl/SandBox
[19:59] <TheSheep> !logs
[19:59] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[19:59] <graelb> maxamillion:  hehe, it is indeed running it from wine, sorry, forgot to mention that :-\ I do have the new nvidia drivers installed though
[19:59] <alnokta> TheSheep: thanks!
[20:00] <TheSheep> garuhhh: they might know more on #wine
[20:00] <TheSheep> sorry
[20:00] <TheSheep> graelb: they might know more on #wine
[20:00] <graelb> TheSheep: yeah, i'm in there now, i figured someone in here might know the answer quicker ;-)
[20:01] <evil_tech> !3d
[20:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:01] <maxamillion> !graphics
[20:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:02] <maxamillion> ah!@#!?$
[20:02] <maxamillion> !opengl
[20:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:02]  * maxamillion slaps ubotu and walks off
[20:02] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[20:02] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:03] <maxamillion> i used to know ubotu commands like they were second nature ... i've been away from the channel for too long
[20:04]  * maxamillion will brb
[20:04] <tcare> Anyone know of a problem when using xfce session - when I go into Applications->Accesories->Terminal, Xubuntu
[20:04] <tcare> logsout of itself.
[20:05] <TheSheep> tcare: it was an old bug with Gutsy and Terminal on ATI cards
[20:05] <graelb> BTW, on a sidenote, it says i don't have any vram either
[20:05] <TheSheep> tcare: a system update should help, I think
[20:06] <tcare> I have all the latest updates -
[20:07] <evil_tech> how do you turn direct rendering and 3d acceleration on
[20:07] <evil_tech> ?
[20:08] <TheSheep> !compiz | evil_tech
[20:08] <ubotu> evil_tech: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[20:10] <evil_tech> i had compiz loaded. and xgl is installed as is my ATI driver
[20:10] <evil_tech> yet this game (Boson) keeps saying its turned off
[20:10] <evil_tech> and crashes X half the time
[20:10] <garuhhh> are ATI drivers not having problems with openGL?
[20:10] <tcare> What's the equivalent of Windows device manager using XFCE (sorry, I am a newbie)
[20:11] <tcare> I am looking for a list of my hardware ...
[20:12] <evil_tech> there isnt one installed by default
[20:12] <evil_tech> you could type lspci in a terminal though
[20:13] <evil_tech> list all the stuff on the pci bus
[20:13] <tcare> When I try to run terminal in xfce, it logs out the system ...
[20:13] <TheSheep> tcare: it kills your X session, because there is a bug
[20:13] <zoredache> can you do a 'CTRL-ALT-F1' and get a terminal?
[20:14] <TheSheep> tcare: you can just install some other terminal application
[20:14] <TheSheep> tcare: like gnome-terminal
[20:14] <tcare> TheSheep: What could I look for if I have all of the updates ...
[20:14] <DBAlex> Hey!
[20:14] <DBAlex> Im running XUbuntu in VirtualBox :-)
[20:15] <DBAlex> Its damn nice...
[20:15] <DBAlex> just im limited to like 1024x768 :(
[20:15] <TheSheep> Bug #91849
[20:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[20:15] <DBAlex> also
[20:16] <DBAlex> XFCE rocks :)
[20:16] <DBAlex> Cant wait to build a new PC (Quad Core) and run Xubuntu ;)
[20:17] <TheSheep> tcare: sorry, it was with an Intel card
[20:17] <garuhhh> DBAlex: wow!
[20:17] <tcare> ubotu: thanks for the link, let me take a look...
[20:17] <tcare> TheSheep: no problem ...
[20:18] <DBAlex> garuhhh: yeh :) im running Xubuntu on top of Vista atm... its actually quite snappy even on my lowly AMD 64 3000... I do have 1.25gb ram tho.. :-)
[20:18] <DBAlex> Ive installed it so I can use MonoDevelop :D
[20:18] <DBAlex> Gtk# fun :)
[20:19] <DBAlex> the only thing thats slow is window re-draw... dunno how to speed that up cos I cant exactly install a video card driver for a VM :)
[20:20] <garuhhh> DBAlex: you've got quite a system there..take a look at mine: 500MHz AMD k6-2, 256 MB ram, 16MB vcard. :D
[20:20] <garuhhh> DBAlex: what's a MonoDevelop?
[20:21] <DBAlex> hehe thats not a bad system dude :) try installing on a Cyrix 233mhz thingy, I once had to hack around in the shell just to get a serial mouse working... : ) hehe
[20:21] <DBAlex> garuhhh: MonoDevlop? its basically .NET open sourced and cross-platform
[20:21] <DBAlex> means I can port C# apps to Linux, OSX etc
[20:22] <garuhhh> DBAlex: actually am using a serial mouse too! lol  and believe me, took me an entire week to make it work
[20:22] <DBAlex> lol yeh
[20:22] <DBAlex> I have all the commands I did written on some paper
[20:22] <garuhhh> DBAlex: good thing i knew of "mdetect" i knew what i got wrong... the capital S in ttyS1
[20:23] <garuhhh> DBAlex: frustrating right? add also the capital M i got wrong in "microsoft" protocol
[20:23] <garuhhh> DBAlex: was using ubuntu, though.
[20:24] <DBAlex> the only reason I have to use Xubuntu in a VM is because since like the 6.10 release any version if *buntu (Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu) wont load... they all crash when the xserver is loaded :(... sucks... I might install it on my laptop but then the wifi doesnt work... unless I can hack the driver and get it working with ndiswrapper
[20:24] <DBAlex> garuhhh: hehe, yeah, old legacy technology doesnt like Linux thats for sure
[20:24] <garuhhh> DBAlex: hmmm.. you'll be using it for programming? the QuadCore?
[20:25] <DBAlex> garuhhh: yeah of couse... I just want to see how fast it can compile a kernel ; - )
[20:25] <DBAlex> yeah basically just development... :P
[20:25] <DBAlex> plus I need one to boast ;)
[20:25] <tcare> I'll be back ...
[20:26] <garuhhh> DBAlex: oh yeah... i guess it's an overkill for development... but for the boasting.. you won't have enough :D
[20:26] <DBAlex> heh
[20:26] <DBAlex> brb
[20:26] <garuhhh> DBAlex:  i decided to go for linux to boost performance of blender.
[20:26] <DBAlex> ahh ok, how come such low hardware specs?
[20:26] <garuhhh> my 500MHz is reeeeeeeaaaally sloooooow..
[20:27] <DBAlex> you can find some better computers for free now
[20:27] <DBAlex> I got a 1ghz computer for £3
[20:27] <DBAlex> my dad uses it
[20:29] <garuhhh> DBAlex: what? 1GHz pc for that price? where?
[20:29] <DBAlex> ye
[20:29] <DBAlex> local scrap computer yard sort of... plus, try ads in papers, people sometimes give computers away, plus try a local freecycle :)
[20:29] <garuhhh> DBAlex: am really in a deep need to have a new pc. but lacking the budget :(
[20:30] <DBAlex> you can allways re-use bits of your old PC in the new one etc
[20:30] <DBAlex> you need a better PC for blender tho :)
[20:30] <garuhhh> hmmm...here in the philippines, they don't throw such pcs..
[20:30] <garuhhh> look at mine..
[20:30] <evil_tech> if all you replace is ram, mobo and processor you can keep it pretty cheap
[20:30] <garuhhh> anything higher than 500MHz is better for me!
[20:30] <DBAlex> evil_tech: exactly
[20:31] <evil_tech> newegg and tigerdirect are your friends
[20:31] <DBAlex> garuhhh: Philipines? wow :) ... irc is global hehe :)
[20:31] <garuhhh> but the shipping cost is higher than the item costs!
[20:31] <evil_tech> lol
[20:31] <DBAlex> garuhhh: you must have a phillipines freecycle
[20:31] <DBAlex> google it :)
[20:31] <DBAlex> be right back!
[20:31] <DBAlex> need to reboot
[20:32] <garuhhh> DBAlex: still in windows right?
[20:32] <DBAlex> ?
[20:32] <DBAlex> nah im on Xubuntu in a VM
[20:32] <DBAlex> brb
[20:32] <garuhhh> oh..
[20:33] <garuhhh> what's a freecycle? can't find one..
[20:50] <kbrooks> what's Xubuntu's menu look like?
[20:52] <maxamillion> kbrooks: these screenshots are from 7.04 but the menu looks the same -> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=791&slide=3
[20:54] <kbrooks> maxamillion, what does the System entry have?
[20:55] <maxamillion> kbrooks: it doesn't ... i don't run xubuntu anymore
[20:59]  * grazie falls off chair in horror!
[21:00] <evil_tech> ?
[21:00] <evil_tech> grr all these nifty games and they all crash
[21:07] <wbadger> !test
[21:07] <ubotu> Failed.
[21:07] <wbadger> !nvidia
[21:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:07] <wbadger> !nvidia >wbadger
[21:08] <wbadger> !nvidia |wbadger
[21:08] <wbadger> !nvidia >wbadger
[21:08] <wbadger> !nvidia >othernick
[21:23] <DBAlex> hey im back :)
[21:23] <DBAlex> sorry for the delay
[21:23] <DBAlex> I had to reconfigure X
[21:23] <TheSheep> wbadger: don't abuse the bot
[21:23] <DBAlex> but its br0ked
[21:23] <wbadger> sorry, I just wanted to test the redirection
[21:23] <wbadger> can it redirect inside the channel like "wbadger, answer"?
[21:24] <TheSheep> wbadger: you can just /msg the bot
[21:24] <TheSheep> !botabuse | wbadger
[21:24] <ubotu> wbadger: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[21:24] <wbadger> TheSheep, thanks
[21:32] <slow-motion> n8
[21:37] <PlatoFunFactory> Hi. I'm trying to install Xubuntu to an older machine (233, 64M) and so burned the alternate install cd.  I set my BIOS to boot from cd, but when I start up, it doesn't seem to recognize the cd.  It does, however, recognize other distros cds (puppy, DSL).  Any thoughts?
[21:43] <evil_tech> bad burn?
[21:44] <evil_tech> you check the iso's md5 sum and burn at the slowest speed?
[21:53] <graelb> Hi... i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia's webpage, and the scripts says i don't have the libc headers
[21:53] <graelb> ..
[21:54] <graelb> any ideas?
[21:54] <keb> did you apt-get install build-essential ?
[21:55] <graelb> huh uh
[21:55] <graelb> hang on
[21:55] <TheSheep> graelb: just install the drives from the repository
[21:55] <TheSheep> drivers
[21:56] <graelb> It doesn't work right, it doesn't allow direct rendering, and my TTY's aren't working, so i thought i'd try to install them clean
[21:57] <graelb> installing build essentials
[21:57] <keb> yeah the pre-compiled ones worked for me
[21:57] <evil_tech> is there a linux clone of metal slug?
[21:57] <graelb> ok, brb
[21:58] <TheSheep> evil_tech: no, but you can play the original in xmame
[21:59] <evil_tech> doesnt that require having the ROM though?
[21:59] <TheSheep> evil_tech: well, yes
[22:00] <PlatoFunFactory> evil_tech I burned at the slowest speed, I'll check the md5 now.
[22:00] <alnokta> TheSheep: if i have another disk mounted at /media/disk ext3, and my / is almost filled, can i move the directories which get filled into that disk?
[22:00] <TheSheep> alnokta: like which ones?
[22:01] <TheSheep> alnokta: you can, for example, mount it as your new /home
[22:01] <alnokta> TheSheep: i don't know exactly which ones, what directories apt-get install use for the programs?
[22:01] <graelb> yeah... issues galore! it couldn't build a kernel interface
[22:02] <TheSheep> alnokta: all of them?
[22:02] <TangBaBa> Anyone know how much time I should wait running modprobe before I can declare that something is going wrong? Running Gutsy on a P3 900 MHz with 192 MB or RAM.
[22:02] <TheSheep> alnokta: all except for /home
[22:03] <TheSheep> TangBaBa: running modprobe?
[22:03] <zoredache> seconds
[22:03] <evil_tech> yeah
[22:03] <evil_tech> shouldnt take long at all
[22:03] <TheSheep> evil_tech: I'd say it depends on the module you're trying to load
[22:03] <TangBaBa> Doh =(
[22:03] <TangBaBa> Ndiswrapper is the module...
[22:03] <TangBaBa> Trying to get my wireless working.
[22:04] <alnokta> TheSheep: not all of them, just the big one(s)
[22:04] <TheSheep> alnokta: you can mount the disk as any *one* directory
[22:04] <TangBaBa> Even after a fresh Gutsy install, modprobe just hangs when I try to run it to load ndiswrapper.
[22:04] <evil_tech> ive done modprode on ndiswrapper on a p3 550 with 192 and it took around 30 seconds
[22:04] <Mark76> Is there a Xubuntu version of Karamba or Desklets?
[22:04] <TheSheep> alnokta: or make several partitions on it and mount them as several directories
[22:04] <TheSheep> Mark76: 'xubuntu version'?
[22:05] <TangBaBa> Well, poopy. Something officially is not working then.
[22:05] <Mark76> Yeah
[22:05] <keb> i've never tried to use lvm to combine directories across partitions
[22:05] <alnokta> TheSheep: okay, how to do for example /home ?
[22:05] <Mark76> Well, okay. Which will work better on Xubuntu?
[22:05] <TangBaBa> I know this sounds like a stupid question, but if I'm trying to run modprobe to get my wireless working, should I unplug the USB cord that is currently supplying my internet? Or is that just one of those things that really doesn
[22:06] <evil_tech> hehe FCEU and tetris life is good :D
[22:06] <TangBaBa> 't make a difference?
[22:06] <TheSheep> alnokta: basically you need to rename your old home to somethng like oldhome, make an empty directury for your new /home, and add a line to your fstab that tells the system to mount that disk at /home
[22:07] <TheSheep> alnokta: but you should do it from a text terminal, because X are going to heng if you just remove the home from under them
[22:07] <TheSheep> alnokta: them you just copy all the files from your old home to your new one
[22:07] <TheSheep> alnokta: and you can delete the old home
[22:07] <TheSheep> alnokta: here is a howto on fstab
[22:08] <TheSheep> !fstab | alnokta
[22:08] <ubotu> alnokta: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[22:08] <TangBaBa> Hmm... does anyone know if I might have a better chance of success if I'm running from the failsafe text terminal?
[22:08] <TheSheep> TangBaBa: with a modprobe? unlikely.
[22:08] <TangBaBa> Poopy. Google time. Thanks =)
[22:09] <alnokta> TheSheep: thanks, 1-how to copy preserving all the permissions? 2-does that apply to directory usr too?
[22:11] <TheSheep> alnokta: copying while preserving permissions and all other special things (as root): tar cv from-directory | tar xC to-directory
[22:11] <Mark76> That's odd. No sound
[22:11] <TheSheep> alnokta: for example, tar cv /oldhome/* | tar xc /home
[22:12] <zoredache> rsync and cpio with the correct options could also be used to perserve permissions
[22:12] <TheSheep> xC
[22:12] <TheSheep> sorry
[22:12] <TheSheep> zoredache: but they won't copy static links and devices
[22:12] <TheSheep> zoredache: tar can do that
[22:12] <tcare> Is TheSheep still in the house?
[22:12] <zoredache> rsync will...
[22:12] <zoredache> with the correct options
[22:13] <TheSheep> zoredache: well, I always used tar, don't know the right options for rsync :)
[22:13] <zoredache> actually rsync should be pretty easy... rsync -a src dst
[22:14] <alnokta> TheSheep: the second question :)
[22:14] <Mark76> Okay, sound's working in Gxine
[22:14] <Mark76> But not in Pidgin
[22:15] <TheSheep> alnokta: it applies to all directories, although I'd rather boot the livecd to move the system ones
[22:15] <TheSheep> alnokta: shuffling directories under a running system i a bad idea and requires some care
[22:16] <tcare> TheSheep:  I edited the xorg.conf file and removed a few higher display modes, set the DefaultDepth to 16, rebooted and terminal now runs under xfce without logging out.  Thanks a million - I knew I always liked sheep for a reason!
[22:18] <alnokta> TheSheep: good you warned me :)
[22:18] <tcare> Coming from a model of the Control Panel in Windows, I would like to experiment a little with Synaptic Package Manager.
[22:19] <tcare> Does Synaptic just download the packages, then you have to install and configure the program from there ...
[22:19] <evil_tech> only if you tell it to
[22:19] <tcare> Or does Synaptic actually get the program "installed" for you?
[22:19] <evil_tech> otherwise it downloads and installs
[22:21] <tcare> I tried installing roundcube using Synaptic.  It looks like it's all there in the folders, but when I try to access http://localhost/roundcube, I get nothing.
[22:22] <TheSheep> tcare: you need to start it first, and probably configure before that
[22:23] <tcare> What do you mean start it first ???
[22:23] <TheSheep> tcare: from what you describe, it's some kind of a web server?
[22:24] <tcare> Xubuntu - server version 7.10
[22:24] <evil_tech> email server judging from the description in synaptic
[22:24] <tcare> If you mean RoundCube, yes its an email server.
[22:24] <TheSheep> tcare: ah, it's a web application, you need a web server running to access it
[22:25] <Mark76> Now sound's gone totally
[22:25] <TheSheep> tcare: read the docs in /usr/share/roundcube
[22:25] <tcare> The default Xubuntu server version installs LAMP by default.  Apache is running.
[22:25] <Mark76> Why would the sound fail?
[22:27] <alnokta> TheSheep: tar cv from-directory | tar xC also applies when you are on the livecd? (keeping everything intact)
[22:28] <Mark76> This is worrying
[22:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: kill esd
[22:28] <Mark76> No process killed
[22:29] <TheSheep> Mark76: well, run lsof | grep esd and see which application is taking your sound card
[22:29] <Mark76> And when I tried kill esd I got this
[22:29] <Mark76> bash: kill: esd: arguments must be process or job IDs
[22:30] <keb> you can try killall esd
[22:30] <keb> that will look it up by name
[22:30] <Mark76> I did
[22:31] <Mark76> The output of  lsof | grep esd doesn't really mean anything to me
[22:31] <TheSheep> Mark76: sorry grep dsp
[22:32] <Mark76> Nothing happened Sheep
[22:35] <TheSheep> Mark76: lsof | grep dsp  returns nothing?
[22:36] <Mark76> Correct
[22:38] <keb> doesnt return anything on mine either
[22:38] <keb> and my sound works
[22:39] <Mark76> I'm trying to think of anything superobvious, but easily overlooked, I could have done
[22:40] <Mark76> Ah.  PCM got turned off by something
[22:40] <Mark76> Weird
[22:42] <Mark76> What's this I hear about OSX Leopard having multiple desktops?
[22:43] <evil_tech> i've also heard it has compiz like effects too
[22:43] <Mark76> Heh
[22:44] <TheSheep> evil_tech: the whole idea compiz-like effects came from MacOsX
[22:44] <TheSheep> evil_tech: mac had them first
[22:45] <evil_tech> i didnt know that
[22:45] <alnokta> TheSheep: alnokta>	TheSheep: tar cv from-directory | tar xC also applies when you are on the livecd? (keeping everything intact)
[22:46] <keb> didnt the whole idea windows icons menus and pointers come from xerox labs
[22:46] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes
[22:46] <alnokta> thanks TheSheep
[22:47] <TheSheep> keb: it's hard to pinpoint, many people worked on it at the time, and they "borrowed" from each other freely
[22:47] <evil_tech> the original gui mouse and web browser
[22:47] <TheSheep> keb: xerox did some really good research on it, true
[22:48] <TheSheep> evil_tech: there is an interesting article on the history of mouse on wikipedia
[22:48] <TheSheep> evil_tech: the idea is much older
[22:48] <keb> yeah those were the good old days pre-software patents and copyrights
[22:49] <Mark76> Gxine could be a decent little app if it'd stop cutting out
[22:49] <TheSheep> keb: not really, they didn't patent the mouse on purpose
[22:49] <TheSheep> keb: or so it seems
[22:49] <keb> hehe
[22:49] <keb> gxine never worked for me.  i just compile mplayer for each new release
[22:50]  * TheSheep uses vlc, pretty nice
[22:50] <TheSheep> and mpc for music
[22:50] <Mark76> Gxine has lots of ready to listen to channels
[22:50] <keb> hmm i'm using exaile now
[22:50] <Mark76> INcluding the main BBC ones
[22:51] <TheSheep> keb: oh, it seems the ydid patent it
[22:51] <keb> heh
[23:02] <Mark76> What's a decent deb handler for Xubuntu?
[23:03] <keb> synaptic works for me
[23:03] <evil_tech> synaptic
[23:04] <Mark76> It's okay,  I seem to have gDeb
[23:04] <keb> what do you want to do with debs?
[23:04] <fifafrazer> I need some help with the keyboard shortcuts in xfce (xubuntu gutsy). Everytime I reboot, I have to start the keyboard config application to activate my custom keyboard shortcuts. I don't have to edit anything - just open the gui. How can I make my shortcuts load by themselves?
[23:05] <Mark76> YOu know www.getdeb.net?
[23:06] <fifafrazer> and another question.. How can you use english and danish language with aspell at the same time.. It's pretty annoying that everything i write in english is red-underlined.
[23:07] <TheSheep> fifafrazer: it should use your settings automatically :/
[23:07] <TheSheep> fifafrazer: and about aspell -- please let me know if you get to know how to do it, I'd be very interested too :)
[23:08] <fifafrazer> It doesnt do it automatically for some reason :(
[23:09] <TheSheep> fifafrazer: maybe the rights for the config file are wrong somehow?
[23:09] <fifafrazer> Where are they located?
[23:10] <TheSheep> fifafrazer: int ~/.config
[23:10] <TheSheep> in
[23:10] <TheSheep> fifafrazer: you need to enable 'show hidden files' in thunar to see them
[23:12] <fifafrazer> hmm.. I notice that the default shortcut keys works, so maybe it is using the wrong config file..
[23:15] <Mark76> Can Exaile handle Real streams?
[23:15] <keb> hmm such as?
[23:16] <Mark76> ANy BBC radio stream
[23:17] <TheSheep> Mark76: I think that Exaile uses gstreamer
[23:18] <Mark76> Yeah
[23:20] <keb> looks like it doesnt , it is hanging on the url
[23:20] <Mark76> Yeah
[23:20] <fifafrazer> hmm.. changing permissions to the config file didnt work
[23:21] <Mark76> Does Gxine cut out after a few minutes for anyone else?
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> hello guys
[23:22] <Mark76> Hey Tux
[23:22] <Mark76> Ooh.  Must load the penguin racer game
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> How do i stop the following apps from starting up without removing the package
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> gnome-keyring-daemon
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> gnome-pty-helper
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> update-notifier
[23:22] <tuxcrafter> gnome-vfs-daemon
[23:23] <tuxcrafter> I cant get them to die :-p
[23:23] <Mark76> Just untick them in Autostarted Applications?
[23:23] <tuxcrafter> Mark76: they are not there
[23:23] <Mark76> Oh
[23:23] <Mark76> Hmm
[23:24] <tuxcrafter> I have been trying for 60 minutes knwo
[23:24] <tuxcrafter> so time for some IRC help :-p
[23:25] <tuxcrafter> anyone?
[23:25] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: delete files in ~/.cache/sessions/ and untick the 'save session' on logout
[23:26] <tuxcrafter> untick?
[23:26] <tuxcrafter> so not select
[23:26] <tuxcrafter> i do not run gdm btw
[23:26] <tuxcrafter> strait from startx
[23:27]  * tuxcrafter already deleted .cache on the previous try but will do it again
[23:27] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: by untick you mean do not save session ?
[23:27] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: yes
[23:27] <tuxcrafter> ok i will try
[23:27] <Mark76> I'm installing supertuxcart and planetpenguinracer
[23:28] <Mark76> So much for my lightweight OS
[23:28] <Mark76> Lol
[23:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: you could keep a lightweight os on a separate disk, locked in a drawer
[23:28] <Mark76> :p
[23:29] <Mark76> I wonder how much all this free software is worth?
[23:30] <fifafrazer> htop indicates that my cpu is at 100%, but the sum of the seperate processes cpu % is only about 25%.. How can that be?
[23:30] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: they are still there
[23:31] <TheSheep> :/
[23:31] <tuxcrafter> but it did have nice effect on my other settings
[23:31] <tuxcrafter> (desktop icons are back)
[23:31]  * tuxcrafter dont want them :-p
[23:32]  * tuxcrafter is going tho check the initrc files
[23:35] <tuxcrafter> nope its not ther
[23:35] <tuxcrafter> or it is the gnome-screen-saver
[23:35] <tuxcrafter> lets remove it for testing
[23:35] <tuxcrafter> sudo aptitude purge gnome-screensaver
[23:36] <Mark76> It's weird how some apps are automatically added to the menu
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> why wierd
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> .desktop files are added
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> so they come in the menu
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> (there is a bug in the xfce menu_
[23:38] <tuxcrafter> it does not support sub menus like the freedestkop standard predicts
[23:38] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: any ideas how to stop the apps from starting?
[23:38] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: removing the saved sessions always worked before
[23:38]  * tuxcrafter is leaving in 15 minutes else he fals asleep
[23:40] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: also for the gnome-pty-helper
[23:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: 1. sessions, 2. autostarted apps, 3. sessionrc file
[23:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: sessionrc is somewhere in /etc/xdg I think
[23:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: autostarted apps in ~/.config/
[23:41] <tuxcrafter> 1 cecked 2 checked 3 processing:-p
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> [Compatibility]
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> LaunchGnome=true
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> brrr
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: gnome-pty-helper is still there
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> sudo find / -type f -exec grep -H -n "gnome-pty-helper" '{}' \;
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: the rest is gone
[23:54] <tuxcrafter> hmm has to do something with the Terminal emulator
[23:55] <tuxcrafter> has something to do with libvte9
[23:56] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: are you able to figure this one out
[23:56] <tuxcrafter> its int there for the last 3 xubuntu versions or more
[23:56] <tuxcrafter> its installled with libvte9
[23:57] <tuxcrafter> what does it do?
[23:57] <tuxcrafter> why is it there?
[23:57] <tuxcrafter> can it be removed without losing essential functionality?
[23:58] <fifafrazer> TheSheep, I've foun out.. It's not my custom keyboard shortcuts that dont start on boot, but only my media keys.. They only work after I've launched the xfce-key application.