[00:23] Why does the conversation icon in the Pidgin Buddy list look like a couple of boiled eggs? :-/ [00:24] ? [00:24] looks like two speech bubbles to me [00:25] Are we seeing the same icon set? [00:25] Evening Evil [00:25] late afternoon for me [00:25] :) [00:25] Afternoon Evil [00:25] hi [00:25] good evening mark [00:25] i just upgraded to gutsy [00:25] Cool [00:26] now my encrypted /home is broken again, as it was everytime i upgraded ubuntu before [00:26] I couldn't get 3D to work properly in XFCE so I decided to not bother [00:26] really [00:26] you have xserver-xgl? [00:26] usually it all stops working, because /usr gets mounted after cryptsetup [00:26] and all the core compiz library [00:27] Yeah [00:27] any ideas on how to delay the crpytdisks startup? [00:27] did you hit alt + F2 and then type compiz --replace [00:27] When I restarted it just hung during the desktop loading [00:27] hmm [00:27] maybe yours was attempting to work like it should and be active at boot [00:27] Crappydiscs start up? [00:27] still havent gotten it to do that [00:28] I'll wait until XFCE has official Compiz support [00:28] No big deal [00:28] anyone know when that will be? [00:29] You encrypt your home folder, Pimp? [00:29] I've never done that [00:30] Mark76: yes, i did using dapper i guess or breezy [00:30] Ah.. Breezy. That takes me back [00:30] i usually put /var and /usr and /opt on different lvms [00:30] *Screen goes wavy* [00:30] so when the cryptdisks get started, there's no /usr present [00:30] *Harp sounds* [00:31] Sounds complicated [00:31] and then it's all not finding libraries and dying and s**t [00:31] I really wish I could help [00:31] so basically i'd like to have "starting remaining crypto-disks" after "checking file systems" [00:31] But I have no experience of that sort of thing [00:32] yeah ive never messed with encryption [00:32] i don't know exactly how it was before in feisty, but i remember, that i had the same "get rid of /usr tools" issue back then [00:32] Are you in the CIA, Pimp? [00:32] no [00:32] FSB? [00:32] ? [00:32] why should i [00:32] SIS? [00:32] hehe [00:33] Mark76: tell me your password! NOW! [00:33] KGB [00:33] *torture* [00:33] My password is ***************************** [00:33] :D [00:33] hehe [00:33] mine is 11001111000001110101010111100111 [00:34] if it wasn't for the easy way to get a recent xfce-installation, i'd be using fedora [00:34] :) [00:34] ah fedora [00:34] What a good image viewer for Xubuntu? I only have Gimp and that seems a bit much for looking at someone's snapshots [00:34] eog is pretty fast for that [00:34] qwenview works too [00:35] Checking [00:35] i'd look but im downloading games :) [00:36] I installed Alien Arena yesterday [00:36] thats what i am installing currently [00:37] i am trying to find a clone for geometry wars [00:37] Geometry Wars? [00:37] its an xbox arcade game [00:37] Ah [00:37] you fly around and shoot the little shapes and try to last as long as possible [00:38] ive found windows clones just trying to find a linux version in the repo [00:38] Ah [00:38] Poor little shapes :( [00:38] *Sadness* :( [00:38] theyre evil empire building shapes that must be eliminated via my photon cannon >: D [00:39] FOR TERRA!!! [00:40] OH okay [00:40] Carry on then [00:41] where do i find a recent xubuntu image? [00:41] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ [00:41] there? [00:42] Seems like a good place [00:42] I wish AA had a window option [00:45] Woohoo! we have Pacman! :D [00:46] pacman!! [00:47] Yeah Baby! [00:49] Remind me. What are the gratis game choices in Windows? [00:50] solitaire, spider solitaire, internet chess checkers reversi, freecell and of course minesweeper [00:50] How exciting [00:51] super exciting [00:51] I'm so excited I may have to go and have a little lie down [00:52] We can send each other files in here! [00:53] really? [00:53] how [00:53] Well, I just right clicked on your name in the menu and that was one of the options I got [00:54] so it is [00:54] server might block it though [00:54] I'm testing it now [00:54] Ah [00:54] :( [00:55] I think you're right [00:56] Oh well [00:57] So. What useinterface are you using at the moment? [00:58] user interface [00:59] right now im in ubuntu so i can play with compiz without hassle [00:59] I'm using Xfce-Stellar with the Galaxy windows manager [01:00] i havent played with the different styles and themes in xfce yet [01:00] There's quite a choice [01:00] THough I suspect I may have added some from somewhere [01:02] I love the analog clock option [01:02] oh i found widgets [01:02] Widgets? [01:03] where? [01:03] linux version of konfabulator [01:04] What's that? [01:04] you have little programs to monitor various things, display info etc [01:05] Oh those [01:05] I knew about that [01:06] I've just activated compositing in the Xfce window manager [01:07] sweet [01:07] Hopefully it'll run a bit smoother this time [01:07] what finally got it working [01:07] NO, not Compiz [01:08] Compositing [01:08] Transparency and shadows [01:08] you can do that without compiz? thought you needed that [01:08] wish i would have known that from the get-go [01:10] Yeah [01:10] Window manager tweaks in the settings menu [01:11] now i cant get those cause it doesnt know what wm im using [01:12] Oh dear [01:13] Damn. Looks like you can't play Tremulous on your own [01:16] man my connection is slow [01:16] I have to run Pacman from a command line :( [01:17] can you make a launcher? [01:17] Yeah [01:17] But my panel is pretty crowded [01:17] i try to keep mine as sparse as possible [01:18] otherwise i get lost trying to find the right launcher [01:20] Iconbox helps to keep things under control [01:20] whats that? [01:22] It's an addition to the Xfce panel that shows programs you have running as icons rhater than text [01:25] I should go to bed [01:25] It's 1:30am here [01:26] wow [01:26] Night Techie [01:27] tech [01:28] thnight [02:44] crypted disks don't work in the alternate textinstaller using the xubuntu-alternate iso [02:44] known issue? [02:44] md5sum verified ok [02:44] "Starting up the partitioner" when chosing configure crypt disks [02:45] hanging is 35dump [02:45] has enough ram [02:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-md/+bug/154502 [02:55] Launchpad bug 154502 in partman-md "partitioner crashes with random encryption key." [Undecided,New] [02:55] found it [02:55] ubotu: thank you [02:55] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [02:56] hehe [03:19] hi, does anyone have a workaround for the Network Manager keyring request at login? [03:19] I tried installing libpam-gnome-keyring, which seems to have made it even worse [03:20] (this occurs when NetworkManager attempts to connect to a wifi network btw) [03:24] hello [03:24] i'm trying to configure x to use a 1366x768 resolution...is that possible? [04:00] what are some generic xorg device drivers I can try? [04:00] neomagic sucks :( [04:02] vesa. [04:06] hey everybody, have a look at how comcast is blocking certain kinds of webtraffic: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/ [04:26] I'm a member of the cdrom group and the drom group has RW on /dev/scd0, but every disc I put in my burner..... brasero says it's un-writable. clues? [04:29] Then I can't eject the media without yanking the power to the burner. [04:31] The damn thing reads data like a crack feind, but idk why it won't burn. lol [04:59] where can I find the latest hcl please? [05:06] never mind [05:10] ppl how can i format a hard drive in xubuntu? [05:11] im newbie [05:25] hi folks [05:25] how can i prevent non admin users from removing the xfce-panel ? [05:30] kick them a little [05:30] haha [05:30] no seriously [05:31] i don't know, so i just said useless stuff :P [05:31] lol [05:31] you can make a group [05:31] yep [05:31] and add them to it and restrict [05:31] what they can do [05:31] but what privilege influences this thing [05:32] no idea ;) [05:32] i don't know if removing the panel is linked to a privilege [05:32] :) [05:32] whats the problem in removing it anyway? [05:32] well somebody asked me this question [05:33] he is using xubuntu in a network in a school [05:33] and he wants to prevent non admin users from removing the panel [05:34] may be change the owner of xfce4-panel? [05:35] * alnokta don't knows, and suggests waiting for somebody else [05:35] thanks for trying to help :) [06:10] probably a stupid question, but I'm looking at a new computer that has an Intel Core 2 Duo E2140, and can't find it on HCL anywhere [06:11] anyone running one of these? [06:18] not that exact cpu here, but I am sure it will work [06:23] specs I was quoted are Core 2 Duo E2140, 4mb level 2 cache [06:25] and motherboard, guy was flustered but reckon it is Gigabyte vm900m [06:25] gotta check back [06:40] when I get the new pc, can i just reinstall xubuntu and copy home back over? [06:40] _/home that is [06:42] that should work [06:42] should? [06:42] hmmm [06:42] 'not sounding real confident [06:43] I would have said "absolutely will" but you would hunt me down if something went wrong. [06:43] hehe [06:43] good comeback [06:43] hehe [06:44] hmm, according to intel e2140 has 1mb of level 2 cache, not 4 [06:47] * PiousMinion doesn't touch intel. [06:49] i've got an AMD now and it's the noisiest f***** around [06:49] your processor makes noise? weird. lol [06:50] and I was trying to record albums (vinyl) to the HDD and was sh!te because of computer noise [06:50] first thing I heard from computer shops, many of them too [06:51] not discernable until playing back recorded sound [06:51] How is the processor making noise? [06:51] interference? [06:51] RF * [06:51] couldn't make it out just listening to the computer [06:51] they all said noisy mother board and processor [06:51] wasn't a grounding issue [06:51] either [06:51] been there [06:52] it's just a loud computer [06:52] listened to my mate's computer and you coiuld hardly tell it's on [06:52] so it's RF interference. I'm not sure the processor would cause that, but maybe amd boards tend to carry the same audio chipsets which aren't that great. [06:53] idk [06:53] and his is a dell ffs [06:53] inserted a num,ber of other sound cards into it, still had the problem [06:56] There's one way I can think of to help determine if it's the proc. remove speakers and stream your audio output over a network. [06:58] can't fo that but recored as I was saying with no speakers attached into 3 different sound cards, still had problem , recored no input, ie just computer itself and noise shows up every time [07:00] well, from that we knows it's on the board, but to determine what on the board idk. [07:00] * PiousMinion can't type. [07:00] thast [07:01] that's the sort of problem i want to avoid with this new setup I'm looking at [07:01] know what I mean? [07:01] aye [07:02] could solder a crap load of ground wires all over the board. lol [07:02] hehe [07:03] getting a new pc anyway so this new one will do all the recording hehe [07:04] ok, back to computer shop, thanx guys [07:11] hello/ [07:11] ?? [07:12] where is everyone? [07:12] on my screen they are to the right. :) [07:13] nobody is talking or ?? [07:13] I'm the only one I suppose. heh [07:13] oh [07:14] thats weird why is there such a long list of logged on users? [07:14] Much of IRC is like that unfortunately. People just stay in IRC channels further congesting the intarwebs. [07:15] When I'm gone I'm gone. *shrugs* [07:15] i have been kicked off ubuntu both regular and non topic and it's been like a month [07:15] banned from #ubuntu ? [07:15] i never did anything to warrent a boot either [07:16] yea #ubuntu [07:16] #ubuntu consists of a bunch of 12 years old asking questions blatantly answered in the FAQs. heh [07:16] I stay away. :) [07:17] i had discovered ubuntu actually I put xfce on that's how I knew about this channel [07:18] ubuntu is great if you have the cpu cycles and ram to throw away. hehe [07:18] anyways i had to go back to XP cuz i own the only printer on earth that didnt have a linux option without bottoming out on disc space [07:18] lol [07:18] nice [07:19] no i loved ubuntu i just like xfce better for me [07:19] i like the way you can drag stuff across 4 screens [07:19] same here. Easier to install xubuntu and have xfce4 by default. [07:20] makes lots of room and i can do insane things with just a little 256ram system [07:20] aye [07:20] yea xubuntu is even a little inflated for my liking [07:21] i like to just start from xfce and go from there on my own [07:22] you know one thing i thought was cool in kde id like to see make it's way into xfce is the "wallet" for passwords and stuff [07:22] id like to see it go a little deeper like generating it's own keys etc [07:22] hmm [07:22] that would be sweet [07:24] anyways i had JUST got done installing XP back on and i was just so used to going and hanging out online with everyone from ubuntu i went back and i asked someone if there was any where I could "openSource" windows [07:25] I don't understand that question. [07:25] as stupid as it sounds it is freenode's most popular channels [07:25] one of i mean [07:26] its at least in the top 100 ha ha [07:26] What did you mean by "any where I could "openSource" windows" ? [07:26] its something like M.S. open source or something [07:27] I still have no clue what you mean. [07:27] anywhoo i asked someone on the ubuntu channel if they knew what the channel's # was and i said what i just told you about my printer [07:29] and then i said a couple of the things i noticed about my computer that werent negative regarding XP and boom next thing i knew i was kicked off [07:29] so the "auto failsafe graphics" stuff is worthless if you cant even get to a console to fix stuff [07:29] how the hell do you disable it? [07:29] it's been over a month now [07:29] mindframe-: huh? [07:30] what "graphic fail safe"? [07:30] GIMP? [07:30] gutsy has a "feature" where if X does not start properly then it goes to "safe mode" [07:31] can't you disable it? [07:31] all it does for me is take me to a black screen where ctrl+alt+bkspc or ctrl+f* does nothing [07:31] thats what im trying to figure out [07:32] mindframe-: Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't work ? [07:32] have you tried doing whatever you tried to do originally through terminal? [07:33] mindframe: what is the feature called "exactly" [07:33] ?? [07:33] "failsafe graphics mode" [07:33] or something similar [07:34] PiousMinion, no it doesnt [07:35] mindframe-: well that isn't fun. [07:37] guy in #ubuntu said to rename /etc/gdm/failsafeXinit [07:37] testing now [07:38] i think my new raid card is having some kind of irq conflict with my nvidia card [07:38] certainly possible [07:40] mindframe: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/01/201200 [07:40] http://www.nraged.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10116&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= [07:44] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/29/ubuntu-xorg-maintainer-demonstrates-bulletproof-x [07:44] that one should be better [07:44] Minset:did you follow slashdot through and end up here already? [07:45] mindframe:sorry lol [07:46] good luck! [07:49] no irq conflict, just that failsafe garbage messing with my xorg conf [07:50] chmod -x /etc/gdm/failsafe* [08:01] does gutsy utilise dual core? [08:09] this gives some clues - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3564496#post3564496 [08:09] ok [08:09] Is Sony DDU1611 DVD known to not work with Xubuntu? The CD is always defected when run on the computer with the DDU, but other CD-ROM drives work with it [08:15] Doomguy0505: there doesn,t seem to be any complaints I can find [08:16] does it work on another comp? [08:35] warbler: Yes, all the other computers pass the defects check [08:39] what's the defects test? [08:41] warbler: In the DDU, the defects varies each time, so there must be a reader problem [08:42] Doomguy0505: what sort of defects are you talking about? [08:43] Files not matching the hashes [08:44] is it a md5 checksum? [08:45] Yes [08:46] so burning with the sony always gives errors but other devices don't - yes? [08:49] Doomguy0505: if you are burning an OS then everyone will tell you to burn it slowly - 4X is the best [08:49] Last attempt, I tried a lot of CDs, with each speed possible, all failed [09:10] Doomguy0505: I can't find any other people having issues like your's - maybe , if it is not speed than the device might be faulty? [09:11] I can't really tell, since it lacks diagnostics [09:15] Doomguy0505: does it play a retail dvd ok? [09:15] Yes [09:15] And it installs XP [09:17] try using k3b as burning software - I had problems with gnomebaker but changing to k3b got things working [09:25] I have burned from Ubuntu and Nero [09:26] Doomguy0505: so it is just xfburn is it? [09:26] I burned with gnomebaker and I have burned with Nero on Windows XP [09:37] Doomguy0505: sorry - don't know what else to add... [09:37] I could always just use cygwin [09:42] I use xubuntu on a headless server to burn and it works well with k3b [10:30] hello [10:42] !hi [10:42] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [10:53] quick & lame question: how do I check which version of xubuntu I am running? [10:54] MaxFrames: in terminal type - uname -a [10:54] "uname -a" [10:55] uname -a [10:55] it returns what I think is the linux kernel version? [10:55] 2.6.20-16-generic [10:56] ok, I got it [10:56] cat /etc/issue [10:57] or try - lsb_release -a [10:58] strange though... I am running v7.04 and the update manager is not presenting me with the distribution upgrade option to install 7.10 [10:58] it did on another 7.04 install I have here [10:58] possibly because update manager has to be updated as well (I didn't use this laptop for months) [10:59] what do you think? [11:04] gksu update-manager -d is what you need to get 7.10 - is that what your using? [11:05] I am using the GIU [11:05] *GUI* [11:14] anyway I'm installing a batch of 7.04 updates now, let's see if the upgrade option appears afterwards [11:24] Good evening, everyone. Anyone up to help a noob? [11:26] I'm a noob as well, but who knows... :P [11:27] !ask [11:27] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [11:27] :] [11:27] Well, I've got kind of a simple question first which might null the need ask anything else. [11:28] I'm running Xubuntu (Gabby) on an old Sony Vaio P3 (900MHz or thereabouts) with only 192MB of RAM. [11:28] My question (and background) is this: [11:28] "gabby"? [11:28] I forgot the name of the newest release. [11:28] Gibson? [11:28] gusty gibbon :P [11:28] Something like that. There we go. [11:29] New it was a G-word. [11:29] :D [11:29] i like this question already [11:29] Anyhow- I'm using the Wiki to try and use NDiswrapper to get the Belkin wireless card that I bought the other day working. [11:30] I'm at the point where I run modprobe, but it just hangs. [11:30] Is this an operation that will simply just take a lot of time because this machine is ancient, or is probably generating a segmentation fault, not doing anything else, and I just don't know about it. [11:31] TangBaBa: have you searched the forums for anyone with problems with this specific type [11:31] Pardon the typing. [11:31] I've seen several people having problems with this particular Belkin card. [11:32] Unfortunately, I just bought this one, and mine seems to be a newer version than the ones others have addressed in the forums (or at the least the posts I've come across). [11:32] oh anyway it is "gutsy" and not "gusty"... my fault :P [11:33] TangBaBa: and the workarounds for those types are not functioning on yours? [11:33] Everyone in the forums had different, creative ways of dealing with the problem of getting this card to work (thought apparently it works straight out of the box for some people)... But I wanted to try the "official" wiki solution first. [11:33] (btw, i really don't know one thing about wireless / ndiswrapper :P) [11:33] good choice [11:33] Do you know anything about running modprobe? [11:34] nah, i tried to fix a webcam with modprobe once but i failed horribly :P [11:34] As I recall from the man page, it is messing around with the kernel... [11:34] so no help from me there either, lol [11:34]