[00:35] <bobesponja> bug 1
[00:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[00:35] <bobesponja> bug 2
[00:36] <bobesponja> bug 107188
[00:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[01:32]  * nixternal replaces a customers dying Windows PC with a Kubuntu 7.10 PC
[01:32] <nixternal> anyone know of any problems with SB Audigy cards at all?
[01:32] <crimsun_> more precisely, please.
[01:33] <crimsun_> I could talk your ear off about "problems with SB Audigy cards"
[01:33] <Jucato> !sound | nixternal
[01:33] <ubotu> nixternal: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:33] <nixternal> my brother's pc has one of the funky sb audigy 2 platinum deals with the front port thing
[01:33] <Jucato> j/k
[01:33] <crimsun_> skip the livedrive.
[01:33] <crimsun_> use the rear ports.
[01:33] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy packaging 3.95 for gutsy?
[01:33] <crimsun_> yes, the livedrive does work, but it can be a pain in the butt.
[01:34] <nixternal> Riddell: is it out already?
[01:34] <nixternal> and sure :)
[01:34] <nixternal> crimsun_: I don't think he uses it much anyways, so I really don't care :)  just wanted to make sure he was going to have sound before I did the install
[01:34] <crimsun_> he should
[01:34] <nixternal> OK
[01:35] <Riddell> nixternal: it's on ktown
[01:35] <nixternal> wow, OK
[01:36] <nixternal> oh wow, this is weird...Kubuntu has no problem with my crazy wide screen, but I am using a 15" LCD to do this install, and it doesn't do 1024x768 on the LiveCD correctly..had it listed as a widescreen
[01:46] <nixternal> ktown dl initiated
[01:47] <nixternal> crimsun_: so are you making a comeback now or what? :)
[01:47]  * Jucato waves to nixternal
[01:47] <Jucato> good evening
[01:47]  * nixternal waves to Jucato 
[01:47] <nixternal> good morning to you
[01:47] <Jucato> nixternal: would you know where jjesse is keeping that Adept guide he's working on? if it's in a pubic place?
[01:48] <nixternal> 8:47am there right?
[01:48] <Jucato> yep :D
[01:48] <nixternal> Jucato: go to his user page on LP and check his code page
[01:48] <Jucato> ok thanks
[01:49] <Jucato> wow topof the least :)
[01:50] <Jucato> 8. By  Jonathan jjesse@iserv.net  on 2007-06-29 more changes while i was waiting for my car to get fixed
[01:50] <Jucato> lol! :)
[01:50] <Daskreech> I love open source :)
[01:54] <nixternal> haha
[01:54] <nixternal> I thought he has made changes since then...maybe not
[02:01] <Daskreech> nice timing
[02:01] <jjesse> who?
[02:01] <Jucato> hhahaha
[02:01]  * Jucato chokes
[02:01] <Jucato> wb jjesse
[02:01] <jjesse> thanks Jucato
[02:01] <Jucato> good evening too :)
[02:02] <jjesse> good morning to you :)
[02:02] <Jucato> jjesse: nice timing because I was just asking about the Adept guide you were working on...
[02:02] <jjesse> Jucato: oh yeah that...
[02:02]  * Jucato is dreaming big of helping... probably in the next few weeks
[02:02] <jjesse> i think i have a bzr branch
[02:02] <begert> hello
[02:02]  * Jucato emphasizes *weeks*
[02:02] <Jucato> yeah I'm there
[02:03] <jjesse> i would love comments and additions
[02:03] <jjesse> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jjesse/adept/documentation
[02:03] <jjesse> create your own branches and upload to it
[02:04] <Jucato> since I know squat about docbook.. I'll try to take a look at it first :P
[02:04] <jjesse> cool
[02:04] <jjesse> use the code browser to read it if you don't want to check it out
[02:06] <Jucato> I'm there as well
[02:07] <jjesse> seriously make some comments and suggestions for changes
[02:07]  * Jucato doesn't know how to use code browser bwahahah
[02:08] <Jucato> this is my first try at LP's code section
[02:11] <Daskreech> Hi begert
[02:11] <jjesse> i've used it several time will use it more that the docteam is using bzr
[02:13] <Jucato> jjesse: in http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~jjesse/adept/documentation/files there is a C/ folder and a c/ folder. what's the diff?
[02:13] <jjesse> hrmm don't remember
[02:13] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:14] <jjesse> is one more up to date then the other?
[02:14] <jjesse> hrm will have to clean them up, will work on it this weekend
[02:14] <Jucato> yeah, the c/ is
[02:15] <Daskreech> If you are Jonathan Jesse please log in for upload directions.
[02:15] <Daskreech> Should that make me laugh as hard as it did?
[02:15] <jjesse> grin
[02:16] <jjesse> i think i need to change it to a team so more people can work on it
[02:17] <Jucato> jjesse: is there a way I can view adeptguide.xml as something not xml? :D
[02:17] <Jucato> team? more people? we can dream :)
[02:17] <jjesse> umm i think it should build
[02:17]  * Jucato doesn't know how to build... noob
[02:17]  * jjesse is not booted in kubuntu right now to build it
[02:17] <Jucato> it's ok
[02:17] <Jucato> me too. but how do I build it? :)
[02:18] <jjesse> is there a makefile there? or not ?  if there isn't i can work on creating one
[02:18] <jjesse> so it will build
[02:18] <Jucato> checkouting...
[02:18] <Daskreech> Jucato: What are you In?
[02:18] <jjesse> i think i was just using the same process as the doc team to build it out
[02:19] <Jucato> codebrowse doesn't show a makefile...
[02:19] <Jucato> bah maybe later.
[02:19] <Jucato> I can read XML anyway :D
[02:20] <jjesse> ok
[02:20] <jjesse> i work on a makefile
[02:20]  * Jucato isn't booted either
[02:20] <jjesse> still working on waking up?
[02:20] <Jucato> yeah...
[02:24] <Daskreech> 0.o
[02:24] <Daskreech> So Jucato  is logged into IRC ... THROUGH HIS BRAIN?
[02:26] <milian> hi, is there a way to disable the "shadow" effect of the logout menu?
[02:26] <milian> or a way to get the old one with konqi back?
[03:09] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, kde4 3.95 or beta4 was tag what is the current status of placing the packages in the system?
[03:12] <Daskreech> Hi CPrgmSwR2
[03:13] <CPrgmSwR2> hey
[03:13] <Daskreech> how are you?
[03:13] <CPrgmSwR2> alright
[03:13] <CPrgmSwR2> and you
[03:13] <Daskreech> Stuffed
[03:14] <CPrgmSwR2> I cannot wait for kde4 to be finished and released
[03:15] <CPrgmSwR2> The new fglrx drivers work good enough to experience the new kwin effects like fall apart
[03:16] <Daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: Umm what do you count as KDE4 being finished>
[03:16] <Daskreech> KDE5 coming out?
[03:17] <CPrgmSwR2> When the developers deam that kde4.0 is good enough for release
[03:17] <Daskreech> ah 4.0 :)
[03:17] <Daskreech>  well that's a timed release :)
[03:18] <Daskreech> Regardless of if the developers bless it or not
[03:19] <Daskreech> Soon be back
[03:19] <CPrgmSwR2> k
[04:38] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[04:39]  * Daskreech hops on Hobbsee
[04:39]  * Jucato takes a power nap
[04:40] <Hobbsee> heya!
[05:29] <manchicken> I'm about ready to see if I can roll 3.5.8 back.  This is just crazy.
[05:36] <Daskreech> ubotu!!
[05:45] <ebrahim> Daskreech, Where has it gone?!?
[05:45] <Daskreech> My mighty ego has blown it away!
[06:32] <ebrahim> What does ubuntulog do? (I couldn't get much info by searching.)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> ...it logs?
[06:37] <ebrahim> Hobbsee, its name says so! But any further info on this (likely) bot?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> !logs, when ubotu comes back
[07:08] <uga> ebrahim: it logs anything you write in this channel
[07:08] <uga> so that people can read it
[07:08] <ebrahim> uga, great idea. Is it run by canonical?
[07:09] <uga> no idea who runs it
[07:09] <uga> but it's a standard service on a few channels afaik, so possibly yes
[07:10] <uga> ebrahim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-3764552ccef65ea78b1fd8d16bee097a5ca6c76c
[07:11] <uga> ebrahim: logs are here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/
[07:12] <uga> uhm??? #ubuntu-fridge??
[07:12] <uga> those gnomees are nuts ;)
[07:12] <ebrahim> uga, great! thanks!
[07:12] <ebrahim> uga, :D
[07:19] <Daskreech> uga: can you stick around on the fridge for some notes?
[07:25] <imbrandon> too bad they dont make blue pumkins :) http://www.imbrandon.com/2007.10.27/the-great-ubuntu-pumkin-charlie-brown.html
[07:26] <uga> Daskreech: heh
[07:28] <Daskreech> uga: Innocent question
[07:28] <Daskreech> imbrandon: hey this is time for tricks AND treats ;-)
[07:29] <Daskreech> Some light colouring help couldn't hurt the pumpkin :)
[07:29] <uga> Daskreech: "The Fridge Channel: It's a cool place to be."
[07:29] <uga> heh, it actually exists ;)
[07:29] <Daskreech> I know
[07:29] <Daskreech> Http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <mhb> hi folks
[11:28] <mhb> can I have a little review here? How many of you are using the 'locate' tool and the 'updatedb' database?
[11:29] <mhb> err, not review, what's the word ... questionnaire or something like that :o) containing just one question
[11:36] <serzholino> pool
[11:37] <serzholino> i use
[11:39] <mhb> serzholino: yeah, me bad english
[11:40] <mhb> especially in the morning
[11:40] <serzholino> 1:40 pm here :)
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> i use it
[12:27] <hunger> When will kubuntu stop putting root:root owned files in my user's .kde dir?
[12:27] <hunger> That is extremly annoying:-(
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hunger: when you stop sudoing your gui programs.
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> hunger: perhaps because you are using some program launched through sudo guiapp
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> btw use kdesu guiapp or kdesudo guiapp instead
[12:29] <Hobbsee> oh, unless the kdesudo bug hasnt been fixed yet.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> but i'd expect it has been.
[12:29] <hunger> Hobbsee: I am having that with kcontrol, etc. which are preconfigured by you guys (and girls).
[12:30] <Hobbsee> did you use sudo or kdesu?
[12:30] <hunger> Hobbsee: I *never* start anything with any form at su from my user account.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> right....
[12:31] <hunger> Hobbsee: At least not manually. Only when going admin mode in a controlcenter module.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> right
[12:32] <Hobbsee> which version of kdesudo do you have?
[12:32] <hunger> Hobbsee: whatever is current in gutsy 5 min ago.
[12:32] <hunger> Sorry, have to walk my dog. I'll be back later tonight.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> that depends on which repos you have enabled.  stop being difficult.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> or else you'll get no help at all.
[12:35] <Riddell> hunger: use kdesudo from gutsy-proposed
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell, hwo's boston?
[12:36] <Riddell> dreich
[12:36] <Riddell> not unlike England infact
[12:37] <Hobbsee> dreich?
[12:37] <Riddell> notably so
[12:37]  * Hobbsee doesnt know what that is.
[12:39] <uga> Hobbsee: he seemed to imply similar to england, so.. dreich: cold, humid, crap food, boring...
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ah, righ
[12:39] <Hobbsee> t
[12:39] <uga> lets check the dictionary ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> uga is about right :)
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> it ain't in the google dictionary..
[12:40] <uga> Riddell: it doesnt' turn up in my dict here
[12:40] <uga> you meant "drench"?
[12:41] <Riddell> no
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: you got here just in time for the rain, it hasn't rained for over a month, bad droughts down south.
[12:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: in boston?
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> well, it hasn't reained there in a while wither before this week
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> *either
[12:42]  * Riddell breakfasts
[12:44] <Jucato> morning Riddell!
[12:44] <Jucato> hope boston's ok, despite being... dreich?
[12:45]  * nosrednaekim is checking out the features in OSx Leopard
[12:45] <Jucato> wow
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> some look like good ideas for compiz plugins ;)
[13:14] <mhb> hello Riddell
[13:15] <Riddell> hi mhb
[13:16] <Jucato> hi Riddell! how's the FOSSCamp?
[13:16] <Riddell> not started yet
[13:16] <Jucato> oh right... damn timezones...
[13:16]  * Jucato hates a spherical world...
[13:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:17] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[13:17] <Jucato> how are things down under? :D
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've added another to my list of "tips for effective bitching"
[13:20] <Jucato> oooh! what would that be?:)
[13:20] <Hobbsee> and MOTU is getting more unpleasant, which isn't so fun
[13:21] <Hobbsee> "if you wish to bitch, answer my bloody questoins, else i cant figure out what you're bitching about, and you'll never get yourself understood, let alone getting the problem fixed!"
[13:21] <Jucato> ah... and fun is a huge motivation in this line of work... specially when purely voluntary :)
[13:21] <Jucato> heheh :)
[13:22] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[13:22] <mhb> Jucato: I thought europe is "down under" for you :o)
[13:22] <uga> Hobbsee: heh, is that your statement, or somebody else's trying to help you? =)
[13:23] <Hobbsee> uga: my statement.
[13:23] <Hobbsee> uga: i'm in retail.
[13:23] <Jucato> mhb: oh Europe is waaaay on top :)
[13:30] <mhb> when is fosscamp going to start?
[13:30] <mhb> hmm, in a few hours, right?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> yeah
[13:31] <Hobbsee> half an hour, most likely
[13:33] <Jucato> no live feeds? :)
[13:34] <Riddell> in an hour
[13:34] <Riddell> I doubt there's live feeds for fosscamp, there's no schedule at all
[13:35] <Jucato> aah anything goes? :)
[13:47] <Riddell> nixternal: this could do with a dot story if you fancy http://news.opensuse.org/?p=476
[14:01] <mhb> Riddell: any magic spells you could use to speed up canonical sysadmins in creating a drupal page for us?
[14:01] <mhb> Riddell: I mean - no sign of activity since I entered the wish into their RT system
[14:04] <Riddell> currently Ng seems busy setting up the wifi network
[14:04] <Riddell> I'll ask him but I suspect it may not happen until he gets back to England in a couple of weeks
[14:42] <crimsun_> nixternal: no, just around for a bit
[15:27] <serzholino> I remember there was sms plugin in kopete, but now in gutsy i see no suck plugin. Was it removed for kubuntu or upstream?
[15:55] <superstoned> sebas: hey /me gaat niet komen naar je verjaardag, ben erg moe van de Ubuntu party (en slecht geslapen)... Ik hoop dat je zonder me kunt :D
[15:57] <mhb> Riddell: okay, it's a bit of a blocker because each day the enthusiasm of the folks involved wears of a bit, but I can understand that
[15:58]  * Jucato wonders what jos just said :)
[15:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: does it help if you're told that it's in dutch?
[15:59]  * Hobbsee actually heard some dutch tonight
[15:59] <Jucato> heheh :)
[16:04] <Jucato> bah I totally forgot out openweek today :/
[16:08] <Daskreech> Jucato: Moin
[16:08] <Jucato> hi Daskreech
[16:09]  * Daskreech grumbles and goes back to bed
[16:09] <Jucato> O.o
[16:20] <Jucato> FAQ #1 strikes again...
[16:22] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:23] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal!
[16:23] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!! *cough* !!!!111111213001011
[16:24] <Tm_T> :(
[16:25] <nixternal> whoa, your bits and bytes there look like the ones Microsoft uses for a blue screen
[16:25] <Jucato> :D
[16:25] <nixternal> Riddell: when you get the chance, tell me just how in the world you find all of this KDE news
[16:26] <Jucato> nixternal: that one's on Planet KDE
[16:26] <Jucato> oops. I'm not Riddell :P
[16:26] <nixternal> hehe
[16:29]  * Jucato finds it amusing that some people decide to use a distro based on whether Compiz is installed on it or not...
[16:29]  * ScottK would look for not...
[16:30] <Jucato> but tbh...with all the hype around it... we're a bit on the losing end...
[16:30]  * Jucato actually wonders how Mandriva or Sabayon got away with Compiz...
[16:30] <Jucato> sabayon uses KDE right?
[16:30] <Hobbsee> it probably crashes.  lots.
[16:30] <Jucato> hehe
[16:31] <Jucato> hm.. too bad Mandriva gave up too quickly on that Metisse thing... I guess they couldn't stand the combined powers of Compiz and Beryl
[16:33] <Riddell> Metisse is great fun, rotating windows is just comedy
[16:33] <Jucato> heheh
[16:37] <nixternal> Riddell: dot story in queue
[16:38] <Jucato> hehe Kubuntu-KDE guy writing about openSUSE-KDE guy... world peace at last! :D
[16:38] <nixternal> that interview brought back some memories...I need to put my Commodore 64 back together and play some Ghostbusters and Pit Fall
[16:38] <nixternal> hehe
[16:39] <nixternal> it's all in the name of KDE :)
[16:40] <Jucato> hm... I suddenly had an idea for this halloween...
[16:40] <Jucato> anyone know of a Konqui "doll" design pattern? :D
[16:41] <nixternal> I want to say "maybe" on that one...there is someone on Planet KDE show makes the plush dolls I thought
[16:41] <nixternal> brb
[16:51] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy doing a quickies?  there's a few things in the queue
[16:56] <nixternal> sure
[16:57] <begert> heh, quickie
[17:11] <nixternal> Riddell: how far back should I go on the stories in the queue? and should people really write an article about themselves/a book they just published?
[17:12] <Riddell> nixternal: in a quickie the book is good
[17:12] <nixternal> k
[17:12] <Riddell> radio amarok
[17:12] <Riddell> 12 tips
[17:13] <Riddell> kurt posted about the asus laptop thing on dot-editors
[17:13] <Riddell> kde italia
[17:16] <nixternal> the kde italia one needs a lot of editing...that is fine that we do it right, just trying to maintain as much of the authors wording?
[17:17] <jpatrick> ahoy apachelogger
[17:17] <Riddell> nixternal: quickies!
[17:17] <Riddell> just a sentence, have you seen quickies stories in the past?
[17:17] <nixternal> ohhhhhhhh
[17:17] <nixternal> yes, gotcha now
[17:17] <Jucato> :D
[17:18] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick
post 1 quicking</li> <li>post 2 quickie</li> and so on </ul> :)
[17:18] <jpatrick> there's a kubuntu-art.org?
[17:19] <apachelogger> for a couple of months already
[17:19] <apachelogger> jpatrick: wanna revu some stuff? ;-)
[17:19] <jpatrick> apachelogger: lemme at 'em!! :D
[17:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: lightwight qt batch image resizer: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=440
[17:20] <jpatrick> this is the one by sebr?
[17:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: package update + bug fix for oo.o quick starter: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=441
[17:21] <apachelogger> jpatrick: yep
[17:21] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I recommend cdbs but your choice ;)
[17:21] <Riddell> nixternal: like this http://dot.kde.org/1187268289/
[17:22] <nixternal> ya, I am looking at your last one right now
[17:22] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, I probably could use qmake.mk ... since the software doesn't use autohell ... but then again not using cdbs was faster than fixing possible issues with qmake :P
[17:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I think the ./configure for squash ought to have --prefix=/usr
[17:23] <apachelogger> nope
[17:23] <apachelogger> there is no install routine thingy
[17:24] <apachelogger> it's only the binary so I throw it in place with squash.install
[17:25] <jpatrick> ok, they look good to me, I'll pbuild
[17:31] <jpatrick> wb Jucato
[17:31] <Jucato> htanks
[17:31] <Jucato> er.. thanks
[17:45]  * n8k99 waves
[17:46] <Jucato> hi n8k99
[17:46] <n8k99> hi Jucato
[17:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger: err, it looks like oooqs2-kde is already in universe
[17:54] <apachelogger> jpatrick: it's an update
[17:55] <jpatrick> apachelogger: aha, in case that case they're good to go
[17:56] <nixternal> Riddell: the KDE Italia story happens today, or is actually getting ready to end..does it make sense to still include it?
[17:56] <nixternal> nevermind...I will make it a "past event"
[17:56] <apachelogger> jpatrick: thanks for looking :)
[17:57]  * apachelogger fires kaffeine with weeds up
[17:58] <jpatrick> kein problem
[18:03] <nixternal> Riddell: Quickie in the queue
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> hummm...I have high speed internet... what to do ?
[18:24] <jpatrick> ?
[18:25] <Hobbsee> fix hardy!
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> heh
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: I ussually have dial-up.. but i'm down at the library
[18:26] <Jucato> or put Hobbsee to sleep
[18:27] <Hobbsee> mmm...sleep
[18:27] <Jucato> yes
[18:30] <nixternal> holy smokes Hobbsee, you are still up?
[18:30] <nixternal> jeesh
[18:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[18:30] <Hobbsee> it's 4.30am apparently
[18:30] <nixternal> you think :)
[18:30] <nixternal> hehe
[18:30] <nixternal> I have to do a doc talk today for openweek :(
[18:30] <nixternal> in an hour and a half to be exact, so double :(
[18:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[18:32] <Jucato> and I won't be there to listen.... so minus :( and plus :)
[18:32] <Jucato> or triple :(
[18:32] <nixternal> hehe
[18:33] <nixternal> it will be boring anyways...on a Saturday, nobody is around to listen
[18:33]  * ScottK goes to do laundry and pack.
[18:39] <Jucato> guess it's time for me to disappear as well...
[18:39] <nixternal> k'nite
[18:39] <nixternal> :)
[18:39] <Jucato> thanks!
[18:40] <Jucato> and good luck! :)
[18:56] <Lure> is there uds specific channel?
[18:57] <nixternal> I hope so
[18:59] <n8k99> nixternal: are you going to uds?
[19:00] <nixternal> nope :(
[19:00] <nixternal> boo!
[19:01] <n8k99> dang!
[19:02] <nixternal> this should hopefully be the last one I miss...maybe the April one I will miss as well in 08
[19:03] <bddebian> Heh, heya nixternal
[19:03] <nixternal> but I will more than likely go to aKademy in 08 and the rest of the UDS's from here-on-out
[19:03] <nixternal> school will be over next spring..so I will be looking for work either as a Business/Marketing manager or an aspiring developer
[19:04] <nixternal> so if you live anywhere but Chicago, preferably east coast if I stay in the US, or if not, then Cabo San Lucas Mexico, or anywhere in Europe (Spain, France, Italy, Greece, UK, Riddell's closet)
[19:05] <nixternal> then get me a job :)
[19:05] <nixternal> forgot Germany in that list as well
[19:06] <nixternal> and if it is in Europe somewhere, I guess I will have to fly, even though I absolutely hate it
[19:06] <n8k99> ooh very nice!
[19:07] <nixternal> I would love to get back to the bay area (ScottK and crimsun_), or the Carolinas on the east coast
[19:07] <nixternal> New York is about as far north as I will go
[19:08] <nixternal> I am afraid if I go to NYC though, I will pick up my ways again and become the first Swedish-Polish-Irish-Native American Indian mob boss
[19:11] <mhb> good evening
[19:11] <mhb> hi nixternal, are you running KDE4 as you declared?
[19:11] <nixternal> I sure am
[19:12] <mhb> nixternal: good .o)
[19:12] <mhb> nixternal: I'm compiling kdebase now, hope I can do the same as you
[19:12] <nixternal> speaking of which, I need to do an svn up, and rebuild with the new updates this weekend if I get a chance
[19:12] <nixternal> so far, I haven't had any crashes, but I haven't been doing much the past couple of days but some LaTeX work
[19:17] <_StefanS_> nixternal: hows the speed of your kde4?
[19:17] <_StefanS_> nixternal: did you compile with fulldebug and all that+
[19:17] <_StefanS_> ?
[19:18] <nixternal> yes
[19:18] <nixternal> and the speed is pretty decent
[19:18] <nixternal> Intel chipset, Celeron M 1.6
[19:20] <Lure> aseigo just fixed my performance issue in plasma, so I hope it will work decent now for me
[19:20] <_StefanS_> nixternal: you just followed the guide on techbase.kde.org?
[19:21] <nixternal> yes
[19:21] <_StefanS_> sweet.. I gotta try that
[19:21] <nixternal> Lure: ya, I noticed a little slowness with Plasma, but not showstopping slowness
[19:21] <Lure> nixternal: it was using 100% of cpu due to walppaer
[19:22] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't think I seen that issue
[19:22] <Lure> nixternal: 1920x1200 screen was not supported in pixmap cache, causing svg ->pixmap conversions all the time
[19:23] <Lure> nixternal: kde bug 151109
[19:23] <_StefanS_> Lure: is that fix available ? I have the same resolution also
[19:23] <Lure> _StefanS_: ^^^
[19:23] <Ubotwo> KDE bug 151109 in General "pixmap cache too small for 1920x1200" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151109
[19:23] <_StefanS_> yea ;)
[19:23] <_StefanS_> saw it
[19:23] <Lure> _StefanS_: not final fix, just workaround which should be "good enough"
[19:23] <_StefanS_> fair enough
[19:24] <_StefanS_> nixternal: didnt that compile take like a week or something ?
[19:24] <nixternal> Lure: that would explain it then...if you could, send me a monitor that can do that resolution so I can test it :)
[19:24] <nixternal> hehe
[19:24] <nixternal> _StefanS_: only took a couple of hours to compile pretty much every KDE 4 module
[19:25] <Lure> nixternal: it is built in my laptop, so a bit harder to send one ;-)
[19:25] <nixternal> including Amarok 2
[19:25] <nixternal> oh wow, then send me a laptop :)
[19:25] <nixternal> hehe
[19:25] <_StefanS_> ah
[19:25] <Lure> nixternal: you do not want it really (had motherboard replaced the third time ;-))
[19:25] <nixternal> ooh, that stinks
[19:25] <_StefanS_> Lure: what brand? apple
[19:26] <_StefanS_> ?
[19:26] <Lure> _StefanS_: hp nw8240
[19:26] <_StefanS_> oh my just looked a HP 8510 or something
[19:26] <_StefanS_> good thing I skipped that in favour of a t61p
[19:26] <nixternal> I have been super lucky with my laptop...Compaq C304nr, 1GB ram, 1.6GHz Celeron M, 15" widescreen (1280x800), and not one problem...I have been dist-upgrading since Dapper on this laptop
[19:26] <Lure> _StefanS_: we have lot's of hp laptops at work and regular replacements of motherboards
[19:26] <Lure> so take at least 3-year warranty, then you should be fine
[19:27] <Lure> ;-)
[19:31] <_StefanS_> nixternal: I'm guessing that the kde4 packages by Riddell should not be on the system when making that svn version (?)
[19:31] <Lure> _StefanS_: no need, as yours will be in home
[19:31] <nixternal> doesn't matter...when you build from svn it is wise to create a new user and just work from the new users (kde-devel) directory
[19:31] <_StefanS_> ah yep
[19:31] <_StefanS_> thanks
[19:31] <Lure> _StefanS_: I have kde-devel user and everything is started from his home
[19:31] <mhb> one user rules them all here
[19:32] <nixternal> I might do that, but I am probably going to build slackware and have just KDE 4 on it, that way there I can get the KDE 4 packages only in the menu and not everything on the system, unless of course there is an easy fix I am overlooking
[19:33] <mhb> nixternal: I knew you're gonna move to something else sooner or later :o)
[19:33] <nixternal> not to move away from Kubuntu, but Slackware is a "compile, make, and make install" person's dream :)
[19:33] <nixternal> although
[19:34] <nixternal> shoot, I am an idiot..I could just install Ubuntu server and do it from there
[19:34] <nixternal> derr
[19:34] <mhb> ubuntu-minimal might be a better package to start from
[19:47] <_StefanS_> nixternal: so why doesnt sudo work for the kde-devel user, any idea?
[19:47] <nixternal> you need to add kde-devel to the 'admin' group
[19:47] <_StefanS_> ah
[19:47] <_StefanS_> never really look much into that :)
[19:48] <nixternal> hehe, I forget about it as well every now and then myself
[19:48] <nixternal> and on occassion, more than once when setting up a kde-devel user
[19:48] <_StefanS_> ah neat, it works
[19:48] <_StefanS_> nixternal: did you compile your own qt-copy?
[19:49] <nixternal> if you are using >= Feisty all you need to do is make sure you install all of the dependencies listed under Kubuntu, and then procede with kdelibs
[19:49] <nixternal> you won't need to do qt-copy or kdesupport then
[19:49] <nixternal> as we have all of the dependencies already in the repos
[19:49] <_StefanS_> yups nice
[19:50] <nixternal> there will be more deps that you will need to install though as you go through...if you come across a dep, make sure you add it to the list on techbase
[19:50] <nixternal> I didn't do it my last install, but I should have
[19:50] <nixternal> I will install it on my desktop here later so I will add as needed as well
[19:50] <nixternal> Riddell: .95 libs building now...should I upload to my PPA?
[19:50] <_StefanS_> jep gotcha
[19:51] <nixternal> and if so, should I attach ~ppa to the end of the package version?
[19:52] <mhb> I thought the KDE folks abide by the rule "test compile every time"
[19:53] <Riddell> nixternal: kubuntu-members PPA
[19:53] <mhb> yet I get errors every time I try to compile their trunk
[19:53] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, add ~ppa1
[19:53] <nixternal> roger
[19:53] <_StefanS_> uhm regarding hardy.. is it a more conservative release than gutsy because of LTS ?
[19:53] <nixternal> heh, I should have asked before starting the libs build...I knew I should have :)
[19:53] <Riddell> nixternal: and obviously run dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing to see if there's new files that need to be installed
[19:53] <_StefanS_> I mean, is there any restrictions on the features and stuff
[19:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the focus is on kubuntu catchup with with ubuntu for features, and stability
[19:54] <Riddell> but new features are fine too so long as they aren't insane
[19:54] <nixternal> Riddell: of course :)
[19:54] <nixternal> how about extragear-plasma?
[19:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: business as usual then?
[19:55] <Riddell> nixternal: that hasn't been packaged yet, would be nice if it has time
[19:55] <nixternal> roger
[19:56] <Riddell> you can take plasme-playground and adapt
[19:59] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom for the OpenWeek Ubuntu Documentation Talk
[19:59] <ScottK> We have that?
[20:00] <nixternal> heh, I spammed the doc talk, but totally forgot to spam the Kubuntu talks...jeesh I am e.tarded
[20:10] <jpatrick> imbrandon: ping
[20:11] <imbrandon> jpatrick, pong
[20:12] <jpatrick> imbrandon: could you sponser a main upload for me?
[20:12] <imbrandon> hardy? sure
[20:12] <jpatrick> one sec, still has to appear on revu
[20:13] <imbrandon> jpatrick, you finaly back too? hehe
[20:13] <imbrandon> done any kbfx junk lately ?
[20:13] <jpatrick> imbrandon: yeah, I *had* to get past the minimum oblitory education
[20:13] <imbrandon> :)
[20:14] <imbrandon> cool, great to have ya arround again i've slowly got back into things too after gutsy, i already have more uploads to hardy than all of gutsy , lol
[20:14] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-October/author.html
[20:14] <jpatrick> ^i've been busy too \o/
[20:15] <jpatrick> it's great to be back
[20:15] <jpatrick> this is the thing I enjoy doing most
[20:16] <imbrandon> same here, kinda fun since you were my first mentor and half my age , heheh but still a kick arese kde guy
[20:16] <imbrandon> :P
[20:16] <imbrandon> anyhow i got my eye on the console upgrading a box, poke me when it hits revu
[20:16] <jpatrick> I try my best
[20:19]  * jpatrick wonders where his upload went
[20:20] <jpatrick> aha!
[20:20] <jpatrick> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=443
[20:22] <imbrandon> grabbing now
[20:24] <jpatrick> thanks
[20:25] <imbrandon> just a quick glance at the changelog, this is just a common merge right ?
[20:25] <imbrandon>   kwin-style-crystal_1.0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[20:25] <imbrandon> Successfully uploaded packages.
[20:25] <imbrandon> Not running dinstall.
[20:25] <imbrandon> brandon@hood:~/files/dev/jpatrick$
[20:25] <imbrandon> done
[20:25] <jpatrick> thanks again!
[20:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: you merged in the kubuntu style?
[20:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: upstream did
[20:26] <imbrandon> Riddell, debian did
[20:26] <Riddell> the current one we use?
[20:26] <imbrandon> yea it looks the same
[20:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: upstream has kubuntu- dapper, edgy, feisty, in src, or did I miss something?
[20:28] <Riddell> groovy, that should be all
[20:28] <imbrandon> Riddell, have a quick poke http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kwin-style-crystal-0710272250/kwin-style-crystal-1.0.5/pics/
[20:28] <imbrandon> all seems to be there
[20:32] <imbrandon> Riddell, are there any Qyoto examples in the repo ?
[20:36] <jpatrick> imbrandon: qyoto-examples?
[20:37] <Riddell> as jpatrick says :)
[20:47] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, !bash
[20:47] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: "!bash" is not a valid command.
[20:49] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, help
[20:49] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[20:51] <nixternal> imbrandon: Qyoto examples were listed in the Qt 4 API docs I believe
[20:51] <nixternal> not the API docs, just the Qt 4 documentation page at Trolltech in general
[20:51] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, hi
[20:51] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
[20:52] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, help commands
[20:52] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: There is no command "commands".
[21:02] <Riddell> nixternal: Qyoto has nothing to do with Trolltech
[21:02] <nixternal> then where did I see that documentation?
[21:02] <nixternal> I was looking at it just the other day
[21:02] <Riddell> jambi?
[21:02] <nixternal> oh jeesh...nevermind me..I am a moron
[21:03] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, help cmd
[21:03] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: There is no command "cmd".
[21:03] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, help echo
[21:03] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: There is no command "echo".
[21:03] <ebrahim> Ubotwo, help dns
[21:03] <Ubotwo> ebrahim: Error: There is no command "dns".
[21:04] <nixternal> ebrahim: are you OK?
[21:04] <nixternal> ebrahim: /msg Ubotwo so it keeps it a little more quiet in here
[21:04] <nixternal> plus you do it i like this !cmd
[21:04] <nixternal> !echo
[21:04] <Ubotwo> Factoid echo not found
[21:04] <ebrahim> nixternal, I actually was! OK
[21:04] <nixternal> hehe
[21:05] <ebrahim> nixternal, :D
[21:05] <ebrahim> nixternal, This is Ubotwo, not ubotu!
[21:05] <nixternal> he works the same way
[21:05] <nixternal> !kubuntu
[21:05] <Ubotwo> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[21:06] <nixternal> same bot, different name
[21:06] <ebrahim> nixternal, interesting! thnx
[21:06] <ebrahim> nixternal, so what are all these commands?!?: http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
[21:07] <nixternal> there is another list on the Ubuntu wiki for bot commands
[21:18] <begert_> so peeps, any good start guide for potential kubuntu developers
[21:18] <begert_> ?
[21:20] <_StefanS_> begert_: what languages do you program?
[21:20] <begert_> c++ for now
[21:20] <hunger> begert_: For now?
[21:21] <begert_> would like to learn python ;)
[21:21] <_StefanS_> begert_: do you know Qt ?
[21:21] <begert_> I do not
[21:22] <hunger> begert_: Qt is pretty well documented and easy to learn.
[21:22] <begert_> thats good to know
[21:22] <_StefanS_> you should start with Qt, and look at the KDE<>Qt subclassing
[21:22] <_StefanS_> techbase.kde.org
[21:23] <begert_> thanks
[21:23] <_StefanS_> then find some kubuntu related bugs on launchpad.net, and look into those
[21:24] <_StefanS_> I dont have any at hand
[21:24] <begert_> techbase looks like a great place to begin
[21:25] <_StefanS_> begert_: yep you can easily sport the link to the Qt based classes
[21:25] <_StefanS_> sport/spot
[21:26] <_StefanS_> begert_: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[21:27] <_StefanS_> begert_: : be sure to make an account on launchpad.net also
[21:27] <begert_> from http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started , I guess I would want the 3.5 branch?  or is there a kubuntu specific branch I should be using?
[21:27] <begert_> I have an account :)
[21:28] <begert_> I have been trying to help by submitting bugs and a little triaging
[21:28] <_StefanS_> ok nice
[21:28] <_StefanS_> 3.5 branch yes
[21:41] <mebrahim> !ubotwo
[21:41] <Ubotwo> Factoid ubotwo not found
[22:06] <mhb> nixternal: how do you manage strigidaemon to stop launching itself?
[22:06] <mhb> and eat 100% CPU in the process
[22:07] <jjesse> afternoon
[22:07] <mhb> hi jjesse
[22:07] <jjesse> hello mhb
[22:08] <KalEl> hi, i am totally new to KDE. to develop a KDE gui which packages would i need?
[22:08] <KalEl> i want to use c++.
[22:09] <jjesse> KalEl: might want to try #kde-devel
[22:09] <hunger> KalEl: kde*-devel
[22:09] <hunger> aehm... -dev
[22:12] <stdin> "kde-devel" should pull just about everything you'll need
[22:13] <KalEl> thanks
[22:15] <hunger> stdin: Cool, didn't know that:-)
[22:15]  * hunger always installed the individual debs.
[22:16] <profoX`> *cough*
[22:16] <profoX`> stdin: hey
[22:16] <stdin> we're looking for all sorts of help, not just developers :)
[22:17] <stdin> documentation, for instance, is a good place to dip in
[22:17] <profoX`> yea, but personally I'm most interested in helping to make Kubuntu on par with Ubuntu (to try and make sure the new features for Ubuntu Hardy will also be available in Kubuntu Hardy for example)
[22:18] <stdin> that's pretty much the goal for hardy
[22:18] <stdin> we plan to catch up to ubuntu in features and work out a lot of bugs
[22:19] <profoX`> I see.
[22:19] <hunger> stdin: Wow, great!
[22:19] <profoX`> I see a lot of people in this channel though. I was told there were only 2 active kubuntu developers ;)
[22:19] <stdin> the exact plan should be worked out at the UDS, then we'll have a goal-set
[22:19] <mhb> profoX`: it's great that you want to help with that
[22:19] <stdin> profoX`: well, there's only 1 paid developer
[22:20] <hunger> profoX`: I just hang out here, complaining about my favourite bugs.
[22:20] <mhb> profoX`: that's totally not true :o) just one developer is paid, but we volunteers do our best, too
[22:20] <profoX`> oh
[22:20] <profoX`> I guess that's jriddell then? :)
[22:21] <profoX`> since he works for canonical
[22:21] <stdin> yep :)
[22:21] <mhb> Riddell, yeah
[22:21] <profoX`> hunger: well, that's also important ;) well, maybe not the complaining part
[22:21] <nixternal> well if you can complain as well as hunger does, then it is important :p
[22:21] <nixternal> muhehe
[22:22] <Tm_T> mooh
[22:22] <mhb> profoX`: well you can pick a feature that you want to have in Kubuntu Hardy and just code it
[22:22] <stdin> as long as you make a bug report too, rather than just do a "moan and run" :p
[22:22] <jjesse> how bout fixing it rather then complaining :)
[22:22] <mhb> profoX`: it all depends on what you think you can manage in a 6-month cycle
[22:22] <hunger> stdin: I do bugreports... I even close them again occassionally.
[22:23] <hunger> stdin: Like when I despair and accept that some stuff will never get fixed:-(
[22:23] <profoX`> mhb: yea, but is there like a wiki page or something that lists the things already being worked on maybe?
[22:23] <nixternal> jjesse: are we going to be working from the Bazaar branch for Hardy, or are we still working out of SVN?
[22:23] <profoX`> I don't like to do double work :)
[22:23] <nixternal> I am somewhat confused by all of that
[22:23] <mhb> profoX`: no, because there's nothing set in stone yet
[22:23] <mhb> profoX`: just tell me what you'd like to do and I can perhaps give you directions
[22:23] <mhb> s/I/we
[22:24] <stdin> last week I mostly went around marking dups of 155032
[22:24] <mhb> bug 155032
[22:24] <profoX`> mhb: well, nothing yet; I'll first have to finish up some other things....
[22:24] <stdin> mhb: the kdesudo bug
[22:24] <hunger> stdin: THAT one is extremly annoying!
[22:25] <stdin> there is a fixed deb up
[22:25] <mhb> nixternal: how do you tame the strigidaemon again?
[22:25] <hunger> stdin: Not in my repositories:-(
[22:25] <nixternal> mhb: uninstall it :)
[22:25] <mhb> also, how can one actually configure plasma? Or set a wallpaper? Right clicking on desktop doesn't work like it did.
[22:26] <hunger> stdin: And that one should have never made it into a release.
[22:26] <nixternal> actually, in kde 4 I think strigidaemon is running...I haven't checked it...I forgot to, and right now I am in KDE 3
[22:26] <stdin> hunger: it not in -proposed yet, but to be fare, it's really a sudo bug as kdesudo just runs sudo (and I know, stupid idea :p )
[22:28] <hunger> stdin: I think a user who has trouble due to that bug will not care.
[22:28] <hunger> stdin: I definitely did not.-)
[22:29] <stdin> well I work in the command line mostly, so I'm just not effected
[22:30] <stdin> but it's a bug that was found very late in the release cycle
[22:30] <hunger> stdin: The relevant change happened very late in the release cycle.
[22:31] <stdin> just need to get the fix out, like the kopete bug and adept one(s)
[22:32] <mhb> hi kwwii, how's fosscamp?
[22:33] <kwwii> mhb: good! been a long day though
[22:34] <hunger> stdin: I disagree. There were several bugs in gutsy that I would have considered showstoppers.
[22:34] <stdin> what like?
[22:34] <hunger> stdin: I am just back from a trade show: kubuntu's reputation did get a hit with gutsy.
[22:34] <hunger> stdin: kdesu problem, missing qtrc, ...
[22:35] <stdin> anything that didn't happened like 7 days before release?
[22:36] <stdin> not saying something shouldn't have been done, just that a few things happened very late and it just seemed to fall apart when not much could be done
[22:37] <hunger> stdin: That is a QA problem.
[22:39] <hunger> stdin: I know that all of you are putting in *VERY* much time on a voluntary basis. And I know how much work it is to make kubuntu.
[22:40] <hunger> I am thankful that all of you do that to bring a cool distribution out to the masses (and me;-)
[22:41] <stdin> hardy will be better, it has to be, it's going to be LTS after all
[22:41] <hunger> stdin: I hope so.
[22:42]  * nixternal too
[22:42] <nixternal> however I didn't/don't have any Gutsy problems (yet)
[22:42] <hunger> Are there some plans on improving QA?
[22:42] <stdin> don't hope BELIEVE!! ;)
[22:42] <nixternal> not as of yet hunger, but I think it is something we need to definitely look into
[22:42]  * hunger agrees.
[22:42] <nixternal> same goes with MOTU
[22:43] <hunger> I really do not understand how something as important as a qtrc can go missing during deep freeze. But I never did serious packaging myself.
[22:44] <hunger> Not that ubuntu is any better.
[22:47] <begert_> qtrc?
[22:48] <hunger> begert_: The config file for Qt.
[22:48] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: seems like bug 103481 need sponsor for upload...
[22:50] <hunger> Too bad that I can not find anything in LP:-/
[22:51] <Riddell> hunger: qtrc is interesting because it doesn't affect kde users only non-kde users running qt only apps
[22:51] <Riddell> so I never notice it and if gnome people notice it they just assume it's a qt bug
[22:51] <hunger> Riddell: It does affect qt-only apps for both AFAIK.
[22:51] <Riddell> the fix is in gutsy-proposed now, as is kdesu
[22:52] <Riddell> hunger: running a KDE app will create ~/.qt3/qtrc
[22:53] <Riddell> or qt_plugins_3.3rc
[22:54]  * hunger wonders why qt-only apps did look so sucky before I created a qtrc file for myself then.
[22:54] <hunger> I am looking for the bugreport I wrote about that, but I can not find anything in LP.
[22:54] <Lure> Riddell: can we get kdesu fix faster through proposed (similar as was done for kdelibs/kopete crash)?
[22:55] <Riddell> Lure: on what grounds?
[22:55] <Lure> Riddell: it will change lots of files to be owned by root and cause more support issues later
[22:56] <Riddell> Lure: I've no bandwidth now, tonio or imbrandon or someone needs to do bug 103481
[23:02] <hunger> stdin: The qtrc bug was first reported 2006-11-03 by the way... At least that is the oldest dup I can find. 2007-08-07 is the oldest diagnosis of the problem I found.
[23:06] <begert_> so i checked out kde/3.5 in svn.....not sure I know where to go from there
[23:07] <hunger> begert_: Try to build it:-)
[23:07] <hunger> begert_: If you have several linux boxes around you might want to setup icecc and icecc-mon now;-)
[23:08] <begert_> where do i start. there are a many sub-directories
[23:08] <hunger> begert_: THere should be documentation on techbase. IIRC there even is a build script.
[23:08] <begert_> easy way to set that up in Kubuntu?
[23:09] <hunger> begert_: Dunno. I only build kde4 nowadays.
[23:09] <begert_> there seems to be better directions for kde4...maybe......hmmmmm
[23:10] <hunger> begert_: KDE4 is what the guys writing techbase are working on:-) No wonder there are better docs.
[23:10] <hunger> begert_: It is completely different from building kde3 though.
[23:52] <nixternal> Riddell: if you aren't partying yet, are they planning on having the VoIP stuff and a channel for this UDS?