[00:00] <steelsnake> great :)
[00:00] <Randune> sup all?
[00:00] <Randune> is there a program that I can get to run on kubuntu (7.10) that will download RPMS and do a dependency check for a different version of ubuntu (5.10?)
[00:00] <RCG1984> hrm, why in the world is adapt manager asking for me to insert my Kubuntu 7.10 into the drive when I'm trying to install the build-essentials?  I thought you download the packages from the web?
[00:00] <myrdos> you need to modify your sources
[00:00] <myrdos> It's set to DVD
[00:00] <Chousuke> Randune: ... no
[00:01] <Randune> no?
[00:01] <Randune> that sucks
[00:01] <Chousuke> Randune: I have no idea what you're doing, but it sounds like you shouldn't try.
[00:01] <myrdos> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:01] <Randune> I'm trying to install a program on a laptop that does not have internet connection
[00:01] <Randune> and it has many dependencies
[00:01] <myrdos> and add a # to to the start of line that lists the DVD
[00:01] <Chousuke> Randune: hmmhmm
[00:01] <Randune> so If I could resolve all the dependencies on a different computer
[00:01] <Randune> and download them to a usb thumb drive
[00:02] <Randune> then copy them over to the laptop
[00:02] <Randune> and instlal them...see?
[00:02] <Chousuke> Randune: and you're going to transform the files to the laptop on a CD or something? :/
[00:02] <Chousuke> ..
[00:02] <Chousuke> transfer
[00:02] <Randune> yes..usb thumb drive
[00:02] <Chousuke> hm
[00:02] <RCG1984> myrdos: I see, thanks for the help, I just unchecked the cd source
[00:02] <Chousuke> I know of no easy way to do that.
[00:02] <myrdos> k, now type
[00:02] <myrdos> sudo apt-get update
[00:03] <Randune> hmm..could I just simple add the repository for the different version?
[00:03] <myrdos> to switch to new sources
[00:03] <Randune> and say "download only"
[00:03] <Randune> I believe that may be possible with adept
[00:03] <Randune> or even kpackage
[00:03] <Chousuke> Randune: download only is possible
[00:03] <Chousuke> but it could mix up dependencies
[00:03] <Chousuke> I don't really know how to do it cleanly :/
[00:04] <Randune> I wonder if there is a way to tell adept to download all dependencies even if they have been satisfied
[00:04] <RCG1984> myrdos: I appreciate the help I believe i'm all set
[00:04] <Randune> hmm..anyone else here find adept a bit flaky?
[00:05] <myrdos> no problem
[00:05] <RCG1984> steelsnake: Also thanks for the help :-)
[00:05] <Randune> I find it has issues from time to time
[00:05] <steelsnake> anytime RCG1984
[00:05] <Randune> like..the package description not matching up with the package name
[00:05] <Randune> like they get out of sync..kinda odd ..oh well
[00:05] <steelsnake> nah never had that happen so far
[00:05] <Randune> I just restart adept and all is well..
[00:05] <steelsnake> that'd be scary :)
[00:05] <Randune> hehe
[00:06] <Randune> what is the proper fix for the menu problem in kubuntu 7.10?
[00:06] <Randune> like..on a fresh install..the k menu will say "edit text: konqueror"
[00:06] <Randune> or something similar
[00:06] <steelsnake> er... no idea, didn't see that one on either of the two installs so far
[00:06] <Randune> I know other people have had that problem
[00:07] <Randune> something to do with the localization
[00:07] <Randune> I believe it's with the english canadian locale
[00:07] <steelsnake> check forums for a solution maybe?
[00:07] <Randune> I have solved it
[00:07] <steelsnake> oh oke
[00:07] <Randune> just wondering if there is an "official" way to do it
[00:07] <Randune> english US does not have that problem
[00:08] <steelsnake> that'd explain why i never got it :)
[00:08] <Randune> yup..hehe
[00:09] <Randune> what do people think of Dolphin?
[00:09] <Randune> I think it's alright once you get used to it
[00:09] <Randune> not sure why they don't use konqeror though
[00:09] <Randune> konqueror that is:)
[00:09] <steelsnake> haven't used it so far... still sticking with konq
[00:09] <Randune> yeah
[00:10] <Randune> bbl..thx all
[00:11] <RCG1984> when I'm in dolphin browsing directories I always get this annoying KDialog state:"Will not save configuration. ETC.. How do I make it go away?
[00:12] <RCG1984> something about Configuration file "/home/richard/.kde/share/config/kio_thumbnailrc" not writable
[00:13] <steelsnake> oh yeah... got that one too... just do a chown on the file, it's probably got wrong ownership or permissions
[00:13] <steelsnake> lemme check what mine looks like
[00:14] <RCG1984> steelsnake, well i rather not play around with ownership when I'm browsing the / directory
[00:14] <RCG1984> when I'm in my directories that belong to my user name I don't get that error
[00:14] <steelsnake> yeh but that file isn't in the root dir
[00:14] <steelsnake> oh? odd.
[00:14] <RCG1984> oh
[00:15] <steelsnake> mine looks like this:
[00:15] <steelsnake> jennifer@netadmin:~$ ls -la .kde/share/config/kio_thumbnailrc
[00:15] <steelsnake> -rw------- 1 jennifer jennifer 45 2007-10-23 13:16 .kde/share/config/kio_thumbnailrc
[00:15] <RCG1984> when i'm inside of my home directory i don't receive that error
[00:15] <RCG1984> o_0
[00:15] <steelsnake> i haven't played with dolphin enough yet... so... don't really know
[00:16] <RCG1984> alright
[00:16] <RCG1984> i'll let it be, I guess i shouldn't be moving around the root directory bad things could happen ;-)
[00:16] <steelsnake> ~laughs~ could be, but as long as you don't browse it as root... i doubt much bad would happen :)
[00:17] <RCG1984> lol
[00:27] <[ifr0g]> Hi, any one here who has done a fresh install.. Is the new kbluetooth interface working to accept files from any device ?
[00:29] <[ifr0g]> !kbluetoothd
[00:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbluetoothd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:29] <[ifr0g]> anyone ?
[00:30] <BluesKaj> reverted to the default gutsy restricted driver ..at least i have google earth running altho clunky and slow ...i see an error when i was installing it...a libqtengine.so file is missing
[00:35] <bobesponja> bug 1
[00:36] <RCG1984> has anyone install php-gtk successfully?
[00:37] <gaiden_> ciao
[00:39] <snikker> someone has installed compiz?
[00:39] <VousDeux> yeah, that's really annoying...does anyone have any ideas as to why my wifi would just suddenly stop working and rebooting is the only way to get it working again?
[00:41] <Selanit> Question: I'm trying to get my rt61 based wifi card to work.  I've downloaded the CVS driver from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com.  Make and make install went fine.  But when I say "sudo modprobe rt61" it says "FATAL: Module rt61 not found."  What do I need to do in order to make it work?
[00:42] <dope> is there a way to install from an iso if I have it on like a pen drive and i have grub installed?
[00:42] <Selanit> (Note: currently logged in from my Windows laptop, since I have no internet connection from the desktop.)
[00:45] <BluesKaj> dope , can you burn the iso to a cd ?
[00:45] <Selanit> VousDeux: have you tried re-inserting the module for your wifi driver?  My rt61 based card always quit working after a couple minutes in feisty, but I could fix it with sudo  ifdown ra0 && rmmod rt61 && insmod rt61 && ifup rt61
[00:45] <dope> no, that's why i'm asking
[00:45] <MarcC-backroom> dang, fsck is annoying...how come Macs and Win PCs don't force disk checks every N boots?
[00:46] <Minataku> Because Macs and Windows don't care if your data gets irreperably corrupted
[00:46] <BluesKaj> dunno dope, check if your bios allows you to mount a pen drive in the boot sequence
[00:46] <VousDeux> Selanit: are you the one who posted to bug 149214 on 10/22?
[00:46] <dope> it won't
[00:46] <dope> but with grub i think i can
[00:46] <Minataku> MarcC: It's a protection feature designed to keep your file system at it's best
[00:47] <Selanit> VousDeux: I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Link?
[00:47] <Minataku> You can have a very small problem lurking, and without a regular check of the filesystem, it can cause havoc
[00:47] <VousDeux> Selanit: I'll try that next time it happens...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/149214
[00:47] <Minataku> But then, that doesn't happen on Linux anywhere near the amount it happens on Windows
[00:47] <VousDeux> Selanit: I was just wondering because that was the same suggestion for the same computer
[00:47] <Minataku> But it's nice to know that you're being looked out for
[00:48] <Selanit> VousDeux: No, that wasn't me.  Different wifi card - mine's an addon PCI card in a homebrew machine, not an IBM R61 laptop
[00:49] <VousDeux> Selanit: ahhh...I see the difference now
[00:49] <Selanit> VousDeux: if you try my command you'll have to substitute the correct names of your wifi interface for ra0 and of your driver module for rt61
[00:51] <VousDeux> Selanit: yeah, I'm looking to see what substitutions I need to make...I think I just need to replace ra0 with wlan0 and rt61 with iwl4965
[00:51] <Minataku> <.<
[00:52] <Selanit> My wifi card was really annoying in Feisty.  It would reliably stop working about 2 minutes after boot, until I manually reinserted the module, after which it worked just fine.
[00:52] <Selanit> But I wish I could downgrade to Feisty, because in Gutsy my wifi card just Does Not Work, period.
[00:52] <dope> if i have ubuntu already installed can i use the iso to install a newer version? don't ask me why i want to just yes or no
[00:52] <VousDeux> Selanit: I hope it helps...thanks for your help
[00:52] <Selanit> sue
[00:53] <Selanit> *sure
[00:53] <Selanit> >.<
[00:53] <VousDeux> Selanit: well, I wish I knew how to help you and return the favor
[00:54] <dope> i'm sure i could mount the iso and somehow run the installer?
[00:55] <BigPick> Testing, testing 123. I hope this is finally working again...
[00:55] <VousDeux> dope: I believe there is a way to mount the iso in loop mode to accomplish what you want
[00:55] <sinan> i tried manual configuration for Knetwork manager but now i cant go back to automatic mode,  does anyone have any why or how?
[00:55] <VousDeux> BigPick: I read you
[00:56] <dope> man i just want something simple, upgrading to gutsy hosed my original install
[00:56] <MarcC-backroom> dang, why can't I frigging remove the default kdm theme?! It pops up just before and just after my custom kdm theme...grrrrr
[00:56] <BigPick> dope: I feel your pain.
[00:56] <BigPick> VousDeux: Thanks man.
[00:57] <dope> i put ubuntu on the lappy and it's solid but i wanna get kubuntu running on the rig
[00:57] <dope> what's all on the dvd compared to the cd?
[00:57] <BigPick> dope: I have been toiling away on trying to find the error that destroyed me. I made a partial patch.
[00:58] <BigPick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[00:58] <BigPick> check out that bug post for a link to the patch
[00:59] <BigPick> It does not resolve all issues, but for me and several others it got our upgrades working again.
[00:59] <Selanit> VousDeux: if the code sample I gave you doesn't work, try replacing the insmod command with modprobe instead - modprobe resolves dependencies for the module, which insmod doesn't
[01:00] <VousDeux> Selanit: okay, thanks again
[01:01] <VousDeux> Selanit: here is what I have now...does it look okay to you? "sudo  ifdown wlan0 && rmmod iwl4965 && modprobe iwl4965 && ifup iwl4965"
[01:02] <barbaros> how can i search for a specific letter or something els a function name displayed by perldoc perlop ?
[01:02] <barbaros> how can i check what is my default viewer ?
[01:02] <Selanit> VousDeux: The ifup command should be wlan0, not iw14965.
[01:03] <VousDeux> Selanit: okay
[01:03] <Selanit> VousDeux: the wlan0 bit is the name of the interface for your card, whereas iw4965 is the name of the kernel module that runs the card
[01:04] <Selanit> VousDeux: also, you may find that modprobe does an ifup automatically.  If it does, that last bit isn't necessary.  (Unless the modprobe ifup fails, in which case you may need to add an ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0 at the end)
[01:04] <VousDeux> Selanit: I was just  trying to mimic what you posted "sudo  ifdown ra0 && rmmod rt61 && insmod rt61 && ifup rt61"
[01:04] <Selanit> VousDeux: Ah, I mistyped then, 'cause that last bit in mine is supposed to be ra0.
[01:05] <VousDeux> Selanit: I was wondering about that :)
[01:05] <Selanit> ^_^
[01:05] <Selanit> ifup and ifdown take an interface name -- insmod, rmmod, and modprobe take a module name
[01:07] <iz6iyr> is correct the channel kubuntu.it???
[01:13] <RCG1984> i'm in the middle of trying to instlal php-gtk and its telling me I don't have the correct version of glib installed.  It's saying I need version 2.6 and I currently have 2.4-1c2a
[01:13] <RCG1984> is there anyway to upgrade glib to 2.6?
[01:14] <crimsun_> err
[01:14] <crimsun_> 1c2a?  Are you certain you don't mean glibmm?
[01:15] <RCG1984> sorry ya, it's glibmm
[01:15] <crimsun_> RCG1984: then you likely need to install libgtkmm-2.4-dev.
[01:15] <crimsun_>   Candidate: 1:2.12.0-0ubuntu1
[01:16] <crimsun_> (gutsy, of course)
[01:17] <RCG1984> alright i'll give this a try
[01:17] <the-erm> Has any ever gotten lirc to wrok?
[01:17] <the-erm> Let's try that again ...
[01:18] <the-erm> Has anyone ever gotten lirc to work?
[01:19] <arash> hmm, why can't I see hibernate/stand by buttons?
[01:19] <arash> just the normal log out, restart and shut down....
[01:19] <RCG1984> all this install crap is a pain but i'm still liking it
[01:20] <the-erm> Maybe you're running an old version of kde ...
[01:20] <lovre> what is the best tool for developing php applications under linux?
[01:20] <the-erm> lovre: I like kate.
[01:20] <the-erm> But there are others out there.
[01:21] <the-erm> Kate has really nice syntax highlighting for php, and if you turn on the auto completion plugin that helps with developing as well.
[01:23] <RCG1984> sweet it's installing
[01:23] <the-erm> So no one has manged to ever get lirc running?
[01:23] <Jucato> (there's also Quanta+ for web dev)
[01:23] <milian> is there a channel for aiglx questions?
[01:23] <the-erm> I've never used Quanta.
[01:24] <milian> quanta rocks
[01:24] <milian> and lirc rocks as well
[01:24] <milian> great apps!
[01:24] <RCG1984> the-erm, never had to working with IR before.. I'm assuming your trying to a pvr?
[01:24] <lovre> the-erm: i like simple programs too, but i have come to conclusion that i dont have enough time to develop in that way. I have deadlines, and i need to fasten my work. Any advices?
[01:25] <milian> lovre: try quanta, it's really very good for what I want it to do
[01:25] <milian> used it at work
[01:25] <milian> a big time saver is the "upload project" feature
[01:25] <the-erm> No I'm not trying to pvr.  I'm trying to get my old creative audigy 2 live drive remote to work again.  I did it a long time ago with lirc in mandriva, but it's been at least 2 years since I tried.
[01:25] <lovre> milian: ill check it out, thanks
[01:25] <milian> and the project sidebars as well, can't do without them
[01:26] <the-erm> lovre: you could always hire me :)
[01:26] <milian> also _very_ neat is the php documentation (i.e. move your cursor into a php function and press strg + h)
[01:26] <milian> also there is some basic auto-completion, though that still needs some work imo
[01:26] <milian> but again - it does save you some time
[01:26] <lovre> the-erm: well, i kinda need to earn some money to live, but thanx for the offer
[01:27] <lovre> milian: time is the only thing i dont have, so i need some RAD tool quick
[01:28] <milian> well... quanta by it self is not a RAD (at least not in the way I understand a RAD would work).
[01:28] <yurimxpxman> if I install the 64 bit version, will I have to do anything special to run 32 bit binaries?
[01:28] <milian> you should try to look into some PHP Frameworks (i.e. Zend / Cake / Symphony)
[01:28] <Jucato> Quanta+ is not a full WYSIWYG
[01:28] <milian> Jucato: and that is a good thing imo :P
[01:28] <Jucato> sometimes :)
[01:28] <the-erm> Ya but cake is learning a language in and of itself.
[01:29] <Jucato> of course :D
[01:29] <milian> typing html by hand is faster and much more clean (again: imo)
[01:29] <milian> and the-erm: yeah, I second that, though I really think that once you got into it, it will save you much time
[01:29] <the-erm> I suppose I should try quanta so I'm educated.
[01:30] <lovre> zend is not free?
[01:30] <Jucato> of course there are always keyboard shortcuts and the toolbar :)
[01:30] <milian> especially symphony with its backend-generation abilities (how was that called again?!)
[01:30] <RCG1984> the-erm: have you checked out: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ ?
[01:30] <milian> lovre: sure, the Zend Framework is open source
[01:30] <lovre> milian: you worked with it?
[01:31] <milian> not yet... a pity though
[01:31] <milian> looks very promising - just take it's clucene implementation
[01:31] <milian> huge potential!
[01:31] <the-erm> well the /etc/lirc/lircd.conf has the same remote info as the one I have.
[01:31] <the-erm> rm-1000w
[01:32] <the-erm> so I'm pretty sure that's right.
[01:32] <RCG1984> alright, I have no idea ;-/
[01:32] <milian> the-erm: what exactly is your problem with lirc? do you recieve signals at all?
[01:32] <the-erm> irw gives me nothing.
[01:33] <milian> I'm not that much into it anymore, but there are two programs which do pretty much the same, though one needs a running lircd and the other not
[01:33] <the-erm> I guess I'm just not sure if I needed the midi from dpkg-reconfigure or the sequencer.  Which I've tried both, and irw gives me nothing.
[01:34] <milian> hmm maybe it's not what you want to hear, though I've soldered my own little irq reciever (there are tons of howtos for that in the nets!)
[01:34] <the-erm> is it mode2?
[01:34] <milian> cost me about 5€ and 2-3h of fun soldering :)
[01:34] <the-erm> I don't have a serial port ... maybe i do .
[01:34] <milian> and I've done soldering only a very few times in my life - and this circuit is very easy
[01:35] <milian> oh, thats bad :)
[01:35] <milian> but - how do you connect your reciever?
[01:35] <milian> usb?
[01:35] <milian> afair that is not supported by lirc!
[01:35] <the-erm> no pci.
[01:35] <milian> ah, ok
[01:35] <the-erm> It's a sound card.
[01:35] <milian> and there are no howtos for it in the nets?
[01:37] <the-erm> Maybe I need something pluged in that's not plugged in.  It's the serial port.  It's hard to explain how the thing is set up, it's basically 3 peices.  the "live drive" goes in a disk drive slot, then there's a serial port - that's not hooked up - then the pic card.
[01:39] <kcg> hi there, is there a way to password protect a directory in kubuntu?
[01:39] <the-erm> I'll connect it...
[01:39] <the-erm> brb'
[01:40] <milian> kcg: no, you'll have to package it (i.e. an encrypted tarball)
[01:40] <milian> kcg: afair there are a few filesystems under development which would support password protected directories, though its been a while...
[01:41] <kcg> milian, im also think about like a time capsule thing, lock the directory/file for a time period, then it will unlock automatically
[01:43] <BluesKaj> kcg, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-85588.html
[01:45] <kcg> BluesKaj, thx
[01:50] <graelb> Hi
[01:50] <BigPick> o/
[01:50] <graelb> Why would my TTY's be just black
[01:51] <milian> graelb: driver problem
[01:51] <milian> are you using nvidia?
[01:51] <savetheWorld> saving energy...
[01:51] <milian> it had a problem in one of its driver versions
[01:51] <BigPick> I experienced that problem a while back.
[01:52] <milian> me2 ;-)
[01:52] <graelb> yep
[01:52] <milian> what kind of gpu do you have?
[01:52] <graelb> milian: yes, new nvidia drivers
[01:52] <milian> and which version of nvidia is running?
[01:52] <milian> new = newest?
[01:52] <graelb> installed with the restricted driver manager, so it's the nvidia-glx-new
[01:52] <BigPick> Ah, hmm...
[01:52] <milian> gutsy?
[01:52] <graelb> yep
[01:52] <BigPick> I am running the nvidia-glx-new myself...
[01:53] <graelb> i tried downloading the drivers from nvidia, but the installer wouldn't compile an interface to the kernel
[01:53] <milian> to bad, can't help you there... works for me (tm)
[01:53] <BigPick> yeah trying to install the drivers manually is not worth the effort, let me check on something for ya.
[01:53] <graelb> Ok! thanks
[01:56] <RCG1984> i'm trying to figure out a cross plateform programing language that will support the ease of the serial port in windows and linux. have any ideas?
[01:56] <BigPick> Hmm... this is a toughie
[01:56] <RCG1984> platform*
[01:56] <graelb> Doesn't java do that rcg?
[01:56] <BigPick> I would reccomend the java Communications API
[01:57] <RCG1984> i know java is cross-platformed, just not too sure with talking to the serial ports
[01:57] <BigPick> http://java.sun.com/products/javacomm/
[01:57] <Selanit> Okay.  By dint of much effort, some heartfelt screaming, and an animal sacrifice, I have managed to compile a driver for my rt61-based wifi card.  All I need to do is insert it into my kernel; but when I try to modprobe rt61, I get "rt61.ko: Invalid module format".  Does anyone have any ideas what the hell that means and how I fix it?  Google has not been helpful...
[01:57] <BigPick> graelb: I feel you pain on this. I still occasionally get black windows.
[01:58] <graelb> BigPick: It's just on my TTY's, i don't really have any issue on tty7, although, the only other thing is that my direct rendering is disabled, and i'm not sure how to get it going again
[01:59] <graelb> well minus the again part
[02:01] <BigPick> graelb: For direct rendering you need to make sure you have "Load dri" in your "Module" section.
[02:01] <BigPick> That much I do remember.
[02:01] <shadowhywind> are there logs somewhere to see what happens during a shutdown?
[02:02] <graelb> in my xorg.conf
[02:02] <Selanit> I hate uninformative error messages
[02:03] <graelb> ?
[02:03] <BigPick> gaelb: Yup. The nvidia-settings tools is very useful for alot of this.
[02:03] <graelb> ok, *tries nvidia-settings*
[02:03] <graelb> hrm...
[02:04] <BigPick> Selanit: What does dmesg say?
[02:05] <graelb> it says you do not appear to be using the NVIDIA-X driver, please edit your X config (just run nvidia-xconfig as root) and restart the X server ... try that i guess?
[02:05] <BigPick> graelb: Indeed.
[02:05] <Selanit> BigPick: dmesg says a whole lot - which part art you interested in?
[02:05] <graelb> ok! will try it
[02:06] <BigPick> the bit talking about your module
[02:07] <graelb> ok, i'll be right back
[02:07] <BigPick> Selanit: Usually an "Invalid module format" error usually means that the module was compiled for a different kernel.
[02:07] <BigPick> Selanit: What was the process you wen through to compile the driver/
[02:08] <altro> ati radeon is of course ?
[02:08] <BigPick> ...a video card...?
[02:09] <altro> yes radeon 9000
[02:09] <BigPick> Great...
[02:09] <BigPick> what is the question then...
[02:10] <Selanit> BigPick:  All this is complicated by the fact that I'm compiling two separate versions of the rt61 module.  I've already checked the GCC versions; both kernel and module were compiled with gcc 4.1.3
[02:10] <Selanit> BigPick: that said, I've just checked dmesg output for both versions of the rt61 module, and both give the same output
[02:10] <graelb> Yeah... ok, so i ran nvidia-xconfig, and it still says the same error (*shakes fist*) and, so i just manually edited the xorg.conf and added Load <tab tab> "dri" and rebooted X, still nothing
[02:10] <BigPick> Wow, that is alot of work. What exactly is the problem you are trying to fix?
[02:10] <Selanit> BigPick: bear with me here - I have to retype everything, because I have no network on my Linux box.  I'm logged into this channel from a Windows box
[02:11] <Selanit> The problem is: I have no network.  My RT61 based wifi card stopped working when I dist-upgraded to Gutsy
[02:12] <Selanit> So I found two different tarballs for an rt61 driver.  One comes from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com; I had this one working in Feisty.  The other comes from the RALink web site.  I've never used this one before.
[02:12] <Selanit> Both modules now compile, and both give me identical errors in dmesg
[02:13] <Selanit> The two errors are:
[02:13] <BigPick> Well any kernel module will need to be compiled against your existing kernel configuration.
[02:13] <Selanit> rt61: module has no symbols (stripped?) -- I guess this one is a warning, since stripped modules ought to work
[02:13] <Selanit> The second error is:
[02:13] <awag> can anyone help me with this? I have kubuntu installed, but gnome-screensaver still loads at startup, where can i turn this off?
[02:13] <Selanit> rt61: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[02:14] <altro> what is it (WW) RADEON(0): DRI init changed memory map, adjusting
[02:14] <graelb> BigPick: any reason you can think of why after running the command, it still shoes as not nvidia X commands?
[02:14] <marco> hi
[02:15] <droach> why wont my master dvd rw open while in ubuntu
[02:15] <droach> i tried the eject command an it still does not open
[02:15] <marco> why when I try to remove 2 of my 3 kernels adept sets also files such as  linux-image-generic to be removed? should I proceed?
[02:16] <milian> can someone tell me where I can setup compiz to allow me to move windows to adjacent virtual desktops?
[02:16] <BigPick> Selanit: Yes that is what it will return when the module has not been compiled with the proper kernel config.
[02:16] <BigPick> graelb: Did you sudo the command?
[02:16] <milian> i.e. grab the titlebar and move it to the right -> switches to next virtual desktop
[02:16] <graelb> ... i don't remember
[02:16] <graelb> nope!
[02:16] <graelb> *tries again*
[02:16] <BigPick> milian: That is in settings - > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings.
[02:16] <droach> why dosent my cdrom eject while in ubuntu
[02:17] <marco> why when I try to remove 2 of my 3 kernels adept sets also files such as  linux-image-generic to be removed? should I proceed?why when I try to remove 2 of my 3 kernels adept sets also files such as  linux-image-generic to be removed? should I proceed?
[02:17] <marco> oups-
[02:17] <marco> sorry
[02:17] <BigPick> milian: Then go to rotate cube
[02:17] <BigPick> marco: no thats a bad thing.
[02:17] <marco> I copied it twice
[02:17] <BigPick> droach: Erm trying to remember.
[02:17] <marco> BigPick = how can I remove the kernels safely?
[02:18] <BigPick> marco: First you need to determine which kernel you are currently using.
[02:18] <Selanit> BigPick: so, is this a problem with the version of the kernel headers I have installed?
[02:18] <graelb> BigPick: yep. same problem
[02:18] <marco> 2.6.20.16
[02:18] <marco> BigPick I am using 2.6.20.16
[02:19] <BigPick> Selanit: you will need to use the kernel source tree
[02:19] <BigPick> graelb: okay hang on too many questions sorry.
[02:19] <milian> BigPick: thanks, that worked
[02:19] <graelb> BigPick: no big deal, i'm not in a hurry
[02:19] <BigPick> marco: 2.6.20.16-generic or i386?
[02:20] <Selanit> BigPick: uname -r says: 2.6.22-14-386, and I have the 2.6.22-14 source installed
[02:20] <marco> generic
[02:20] <BigPick> graelb: Can you post your xorg.config somehow?
[02:21] <graelb> BigPick: sure, hang on a second
[02:21] <marco> BigPick Generic, that's the chouice I have in grub
[02:21] <BigPick> graelb: Or just email it to me.
[02:21] <graelb> i can just use a pastebin
[02:21] <BigPick> marco: what other kernels do you have installed
[02:21] <marco> 2.6.20.15 and 2.6.22.14
[02:21] <BigPick> Selanit: Okay... what version headers?
[02:22] <graelb> BigPick:  here's the current xorg
[02:22] <graelb> http://pastebin.com/m14486370
[02:22] <BigPick> marco: you going to want to boot into your 2.6.22.14 kernel before proceeding. That is your most recent kernel.
[02:22] <droach> everyday i find more and more reasons to get away from ubuntu
[02:22] <Selanit> I just checked that, and I think I may have found the problem - I've got linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic, and I think perhaps I need linux-headers-2.6.22-14-386
[02:22] <marco> BigPick but my mouse doesen't work on there, so I want to eliminate it
[02:23] <milian> is there a way to get the old logout menu back?
[02:23] <milian> the one with konqi the dragon?
[02:24] <milian> or at least a way to disable the "shadow" effect of the new logout menu?
[02:24] <BigPick> graelb: okay, here is what you need to do...
[02:24] <droach> if i boot into fedora and my cdroms work im ditching kubuntu im sick of this mess
[02:25] <BigPick> graelb: You need to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:25] <BigPick> graelb: Be sure to select the "nvidia" driver not the "nv".
[02:25] <CroiX> Selanit: okay, that command didn't seem to work for me it just said: ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[02:25] <CroiX> ERROR: Removing 'iwl4965': Operation not permitted
[02:25] <graelb> ok
[02:26] <BigPick> graelb: you will then need to re-run "sudo nvidia-glx-config"
[02:26] <graelb> BigPick: and i do want it to autodetect, right?
[02:26] <BigPick> marco: that could be a problem... lemme check..
[02:26] <BigPick> graelb: Yes.
[02:26] <awag> man, I am having mad problems getting my geforce 6600 to work too
[02:26] <graelb> BigPick: leave the rest at the defaults, do i want the framebuffer?
[02:27] <BigPick> Selanit: Let me know how recompiling against the other headers goes.
[02:27] <Selanit> VousDeux: If the ifdown command says "interface not configured" that means that the interface wasn't currently running.  The ifup command starts the interface; the ifdown command stops it
[02:27] <marco> BigPick ok thanks
[02:28] <Selanit> BigPick: I had to download the .deb and copy it to a thumb drive to install, but I've got both the 386 and generic headers for my kernel version installed now.  However, I had to create a symlink to the headers somewhere manually, and I can't remember where.
[02:28] <VousDeux> here's another annoyance...suddenly the power manager will decide the battery is dead and/or the power was unplugged...then it will just flap back and forth.
[02:28] <VousDeux> all I can do is stop the power manager or reboot
[02:29] <BigPick> marco: The problem is that everything that you currently have installed is designed for the 2.6.22 kernel... fixing you mouse may just require a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as well.
[02:29] <VousDeux> if I stop the power manager I cannot adjust brightness and I'm usually stuck on lower cpu speed
[02:29] <VousDeux> Selanit: okay, I'll keep that in mind next time...thanks again
[02:29] <BigPick> Selanit: Yeah drivers from tar balls are a huge PITA. What version of the driver are you trying to compile?
[02:29] <graelb> ok, i'm going to restart X BigPick. I'll be back in a min.
[02:31] <BigPick> marco: Are you on a laptop or desktop?
[02:31] <graelb> BigPick: still doesn't work ;-P
[02:31] <Selanit> BigPick: I've got three versions of the driver, and I'm just trying all of them in sequence until I find one that works.  One comes from the RALink web site; the other two come from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com.  One of the serialmonkey drivers is a beta release, the other is a CVS release.  I had the beta serialmonkey release working in Feisty.
[02:31] <graelb> BigPick: Although it did give me the nvidia splash before login
[02:32] <awag> sorry to interrupt but my problem is related i think. i downloaded the linux nvidia installer from their site, and ran it, and it said it recompiled some stuff to match my kernel, then it changes my xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of nv, but then X won't start
[02:32] <BigPick> gaelb: did you ever see the nvidia splash before?
[02:33]  * awag wishes he could see the nvidia splash, that would be awesome
[02:33] <BigPick> I cannot recommend trying to download and manuall install the nvidia driver from their site.
[02:33] <BigPick> Please use the nvidia-glx-new package.
[02:33] <awag> ok
[02:34] <awag> I've tried various things that i got from using adept
[02:34] <awag> and they all fail to load X when i switch to nvidia instead of nv in xorg.conf
[02:34] <marco> BigPick : I am on a laptop
[02:34] <awag> is nvidia-glx-new what i need?
[02:34] <graelb> BigPick: I am using the glx-new package, at least, last i checked. I haddn't seen the splash before, and when i try to download the driver pkg from their site, it doesn't work. It can't compile a kernel interface
[02:35] <BigPick> gralb: could you please post your new xorg.conf
[02:35] <graelb> sure
[02:35] <graelb> =)
[02:35] <BigPick> marco: okay that likely means you are using a touchpad, correct?
[02:36] <VousDeux> you also have to make sure you have linux-restricted-modules for nvidia-glx-new to work
[02:36] <marco> BigPick :  not working....
[02:36] <marco> any way
[02:36] <graelb> BigPick: This is the new one http://pastebin.com/d7eb7bf12
[02:36] <marco> BigPick: tell me what you have in mind
[02:36] <BigPick> marco: could you also post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[02:37] <Selanit> Christ, this is insane
[02:37] <graelb> BigPick:  at one point, i ran #
[02:37] <graelb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:37] <graelb> #
[02:37] <graelb>  , does that mean the xorg.conf file would be updated every time i rebooted?
[02:37] <graelb> and if so, how do i disable that
[02:37] <BigPick> nope, it just does it once.
[02:37] <VousDeux> for mine I use linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[02:38] <tjodalv> -phigh only sets resolution...
[02:38] <graelb> Damn. was hoping that'd be the fix hehe
[02:39] <Selanit> I've installed the correct headers, I've recompiled, I've omitted the "strip" step, modprobe rt61 still fails, and dmesg still says "rt61: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module"
[02:40] <VousDeux> Selanit: I'm not sure, but I think you may need build-essential
[02:40] <Selanit> I have build-essential, thanks
[02:40] <BigPick> graelb: I'm not seeing any modules listed in your new xorg.conf, when you ran reconfigure did you get a prompt for selecting modules
[02:41] <graelb> nope
[02:41] <graelb> well, not that i recall
[02:41] <BigPick> Selanit: Have you uninstalled the wrong header version? That link to the wrong version may still exist.
[02:41] <kalamari> hello, i have a problem with upgrading to kubuntu gutsy, and am currently on fiesty , firstly adept doesn't give me any option to upgrade to gutsy and shows no upgradable packages either. and sadly the cdromupgrade from alternate cd also stop with an error message
[02:41] <BigPick> graelb: I'm going to manually edit your conf file, hang on.
[02:41] <graelb> but i don't think so, i've gone through that reconfigure a million times in the last few days trying different things
[02:41] <MarcC-backroom> is it possible to tell the network manager not to connect to a wireless net unless I tell it to?
[02:42] <graelb> MarcC-backroom:  are you on 7.10?
[02:42] <MarcC-backroom> graelb, yes
[02:42] <graelb> MarcC-backroom: Disable roaming until you want to log on to a network
[02:42] <MarcC-backroom> my laptop keeps connecting to my neighbor's wireless network instead of my wired one
[02:42] <MarcC-backroom> roaming...where's roaming?
[02:42] <Selanit> BigPick: I've got six versions of the linux headers installed, but only one build link which I created manually.  I'm hesitant to remove the older headers versions until I have a working network card so I can reinstall them if necessary
[02:43] <Selanit> But maybe I should just give up and remove all of them
[02:43] <graelb> oh, just disable the wireless... in the system tray, do you have a little networking icon?
[02:43] <MarcC-backroom> yeah, it kind of looks like the ubuntu one though
[02:43] <MarcC-backroom> glassy bars, some blue
[02:44] <Selanit> I should add that my make output specifies the correct headers dir - linux-headers-2.6.22-14-386
[02:44] <graelb> right click it, see if you can go to manual mode
[02:44] <graelb> i'm sorry, left click it, and it's "manuyal configuration"
[02:44] <graelb> manual*
[02:45] <MarcC-backroom> oh, graelb, this must be a different applet
[02:45] <yurimxpxman> are there any programs to automate the backup and restoration of large home directories onto DVDs so that all the disks will come back together correctly when I restore them?
[02:45] <MarcC-backroom> I left click it and it takes me to a status window with tabs
[02:45] <graelb> what do the tabs read?
[02:45] <graelb> connections, general, dns and hosts?
[02:46] <MarcC-backroom> ok, I just had to restart...just a mo
[02:47] <BigPick> graelb: okay, lemme upload this...
[02:47] <MarcC-backroom> gah, kdm drives me nuts
[02:47]  * graelb nods
[02:47] <MarcC-backroom> I made this nice KDM theme and it won't even use it for the whole login sequence
[02:48] <BigPick> graelb: http://pastebin.com/d6df2213a
[02:48] <sonic> anyone here have experience compiling kde4 from svn?
[02:48] <MarcC-backroom> graelb, Device Addresses Statistics Network ...those are the tabs
[02:48] <BigPick> Selanit: At this point you may have too much of a hairball to untangle there. What was the original connection error?
[02:49] <graelb> oh... well... i don't know
[02:49] <Selanit> BigPick: Eh?  I'm not sure I know what you're asking.
[02:49] <awag> what do i do after i have installed nvidia-glx-new with synaptic?
[02:49] <MarcC-backroom> ah, graelb, it's KNetworkManager...is that the right one?
[02:50] <graelb> might be
[02:50] <BigPick> Selanit: I'm saying that you have too many versions going to know what exactly is going on.
[02:50] <MarcC-backroom> graelb,  right-clicked it and went to Help -> About
[02:50] <BigPick> Selanit: I'm wondering if there is a much easier way to fix the problem.
[02:50] <Selanit> BigPick: I got that part - but what do you mean by "original connection error?"
[02:50] <BigPick> awag: restart your computer.
[02:51] <kalamari> hello, i have a problem with upgrading to kubuntu gutsy, and am currently on fiesty , firstly adept doesn't give me any option to upgrade to gutsy and shows no upgradable packages either. and sadly the cdromupgrade from alternate cd also stops with an error message .. could anyone please help ?
[02:51] <BigPick> Selanit: You said it wouldn't connect. What part failed? Authentication? Aquiring IP? or did the device not even activate
[02:51] <awag> I don't need to manually update my xorg.conf or run a script or anything?
[02:51] <BigPick> awag: Hopefully not.
[02:52] <BigPick> kalamari: Currently the feisty -> gusty upgrade is extremely unstable.
[02:52] <awag> ok, here it goes
[02:52] <awag> hopefully X doesn't crap itself
[02:52] <graelb> BigPick:  ok going to try this, i'll be right back
[02:52] <BigPick> kalamari: I would recomend against it at this time. I have corrupted 3 installs trying. I'm currently working on a patch with the help of the main devs but right now just stay away.
[02:52] <graelb> Ctrl alt backspace should do the trick, right?
[02:53] <BigPick> gaelb: Indeed.
[02:53] <jonathan_> hi
[02:53] <Selanit> BigPick:  Oh, I see.  The original problem went something like this.  I upgraded to gutsy (which took four hours due to assorted errors, but eventually completed.)  I rebooted.  My network was gone.  No device configured for ra0; lsmod | grep rt61 showed nothing.  No driver available for the device = no network.  Sigh.
[02:53] <graelb> ok! brb
[02:53] <kalamari> thx BigPick.. guess will have to wait
[02:53] <jonathan_> I have problems updating to 7.10 can someone help if I paste adept_updater's standard output to some place ?
[02:54] <BigPick> Okay, everyone. Upgrading Feisty to Gutsy is EXTREMELY UNSTABLE at this time. Please do not attempt.
[02:55] <jonathan_> ok BigPick
[02:55] <Op3r> I dont think so it really depends on your hardware
[02:55] <graelb> BigPick: Hate to say it, but i don't actually notice anything different
[02:55] <Op3r> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy without any issues
[02:55] <BigPick> For more information on this saga see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[02:55] <jonathan_> my problem isn't about hardware
[02:56] <graelb> BigPick: well, direct rendering is still disabled, anyway, and my tty's are still not working :-\
[02:56] <BigPick> The problem is not hardware related, it is a number of problems that exist, one of which is a memory leak.
[02:56] <BigPick> gaelb: Did you put the new bin in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:57] <graelb> yeah, i copied over what you pastebin-ed, into a new xorg.conf and overwrote the other one
[02:58] <awag> ok X booted up without problems it seems
[02:58] <BigPick> graelb: try running glx gears, lemme know what happens.
[02:58] <awag> i tried to run glxdemo
[02:59] <awag> and i got this:
[02:59] <awag> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:59] <awag> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[02:59] <graelb> glx gears? is that a program that i'm missing?
[02:59] <graelb> nevermind
[02:59] <graelb> hehe
[02:59] <graelb> it runs fine
[02:59] <graelb> 10171 frames in 5.0 seconds
[02:59] <BigPick> graelb: Well then dri is running.
[03:00] <graelb> yeah, weird how it doesn't show up in glxinfo huh?
[03:00] <graelb> graelb@nirvana-X:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct"
[03:00] <graelb> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[03:01] <BigPick> graelb: Blerg... you might want to retry a complete reboot to fully reload the glx modules.
[03:01] <graelb> ok, i'll give it a shot
[03:01] <BigPick> awag: try running "sudo nvidia-glx-config"
[03:01] <awag> ok
[03:02] <graelb> my guess is that the driver won't load properly, and it'll try a few times, go to the "running in low configuration mode" thing, and revert back to the vesa driver
[03:02] <graelb> but we'll see
[03:02] <graelb> hehe
[03:02] <yurimxpxman> what's a good program to create split backups on DVDs?
[03:02] <graelb> i'll be back in a few minutes
[03:02] <BigPick> Trust my guys, I so feel you pain on the nvidia-glx front. This laptop took forever to get running. (6 months)
[03:02] <sub[t]rnl> dvdbackup, k9copy, dvdrip all work
[03:03] <awag> BigPick, is it ok if i paste the output from that?
[03:03] <graelb> yeah! it's a laptop =P
[03:03] <graelb> i'll brbr
[03:03] <awag> it's like 5 lines
[03:03] <BigPick> Eh, sure
[03:03] <awag> andrew@andrew-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:03] <awag> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[03:03] <awag> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[03:03] <awag> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[03:03] <awag> command:
[03:03] <awag> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[03:03] <BigPick> I'm not a mod or dev :P
[03:03] <awag> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[03:03] <awag> from nv to nvidia.
[03:03] <awag> oh ;)
[03:04] <BigPick> awag: go ahead and run the command it recommends, its just being anal.
[03:04] <awag> ok
[03:04] <BigPick> awag: Then re-run "sudo nvidial-glx-config"
[03:05] <Moo-> Hi, I try to upgrade but I cannot find "Recommended updates" or "Pre-released updates" repositories, sould I have them somewhere?
[03:05] <awag> ok, it wants me to restart, i have a funny feeling this is the same thing i ran yesterday that X didn't like
[03:05] <awag> hehe
[03:05] <awag> brb
[03:05] <graelb> still throws back no from glxinfo
[03:05] <BigPick> freaking weird...
[03:05] <graelb> still get the nvidia splash, but it all seems to work... i don't know if i have my ttys though
[03:06] <graelb> nope
[03:06] <Yz85Racer> guys, how do i fix: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42315/ because I'm trying to fix frostwire
[03:06] <Yz85Racer> But I click it, and nothing comes up, It loads for like 10 minutes
[03:06] <Yz85Racer> then just goes on like nothing happened..
[03:07] <graelb> BigPick: what video card are you running?
[03:07] <BigPick> gaelb: does dmesg report anything from xserv or nvidia
[03:07] <graelb> BigPick: Nvidia-settings doesn't work still btw
[03:08] <BigPick> graelb: G72M
[03:08] <BigPick> graelb: aka pos mobile thing that is cranky as hell.
[03:08] <needles> for some reason my desktop keeps blacking out every 10 minutes or so, and i have screensaver off
[03:08] <graelb> graelb@nirvana-X:~$ dmesg | grep "xserv"
[03:08] <graelb> graelb@nirvana-X:~$ dmesg | grep "nvidia"
[03:08] <graelb> [   15.024000] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[03:08] <jonathan_> ok I have the same problem as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/109074
[03:09] <graelb> g72m? what kind of card is that?
[03:09] <jonathan_> I'll update some other day rather
[03:09] <BigPick> graelb: A built-in laptop pos in a dell.
[03:09] <graelb> hehe
[03:09] <graelb> mine's a built in on an acer tablet
[03:09] <BigPick> graelb: Anything in dmesg?
[03:10] <graelb> nothing grepped for xserv
[03:10] <graelb> only the one line for nvidia saying something about it tainting the kernel
[03:12] <Moo-> Oh, the problem seems to be that I cannot get this winwow: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot2.png
[03:12] <BigPick> graelb: oops, might of forgot a line... try http://pastebin.com/d7901eba0
[03:12] <awag> hmmm
[03:12] <awag> X wouldn't start
[03:13] <Moo-> Any ideas why?
[03:13] <awag> i had to revert to my old xorg.conf
[03:13] <BigPick> awag: dangit...
[03:13] <awag> yeah
[03:13] <awag> same as yesterday
[03:13] <awag> i thought that nvidia cards were supposed to be good with linux
[03:13] <BigPick> awag: can you pastebin you xorg.conf as well so I can take a look
[03:13] <awag> opposed to ati
[03:13] <awag> sure, what do you mean exactly though? I know you don't want me to paste it into the chate
[03:13] <awag> chat*
[03:14] <BigPick> Meh, ati did release its souce a couple months ago, but for now nvidia is a bit better.
[03:14] <Selanit> BigPick: okay, I have 1) removed all versions of any package called linux-headers-*; 2) downloaded and manually installed the .deb files for linux-headers-2.6.22-14, linux-headers-2.6.22-14-386, and linux-headers-386; 3) verified that the "build" symlink in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386 points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-286 and that the directory it points to does in fact exist; 4) Recompiled; and 5) gotten the same fricking "
[03:14] <Selanit> disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" message in dmesg.  Ideas?
[03:14] <BigPick> awag: use pastebin.com
[03:14] <awag> oh
[03:15] <awag> cool
[03:15] <graelb> BigPick: alright, gonna give that guy a  short
[03:15] <graelb> BigPick:  brb
[03:15] <BigPick> Selanit: Hmm... lemme think...
[03:15] <awag> BigPick, and you want me to paste the xorg.conf that doesn't work right?
[03:16] <graelb> BigPick: wht do you want me to check? =p
[03:17] <BigPick> graelb: to see if the new xorg.conf works
[03:17] <BigPick> awag: right
[03:17] <graelb> BigPick: nvidia-settings still doesn't work, and dmesg still reports no direct rendering
[03:18] <BigPick> Selanit: are you linking your module to the /lib/modules/...etc each time you compile?
[03:18] <Josie1> Hello, everyone.
[03:19] <JohnFlux> what's a really really lightweight X system
[03:19] <JohnFlux> I have a 233mhz machine :-D
[03:19] <JohnFlux> with 2MB video card heh
[03:19] <JohnFlux> i just need something with a program menu
[03:19] <BigPick> graelb: run lsmod | grep nvidia
[03:19] <JohnFlux> desktop i mean
[03:19] <Selanit> BigPick: each time I compile, I cp rt61.ko /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/kernel/net/wireless/ and depmod -a
[03:20] <graelb> nvidia
[03:20] <graelb> nvidia               6221648  36
[03:20] <graelb> i2c_core               26112  1 nvidia
[03:20] <graelb> agpgart                35016  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[03:20] <awag> BigPick, http://pastebin.com/m514d4e49
[03:20] <awag> thanks for the help
[03:21] <BigPick> Selanit: what do you say the module you compiled is? rt61.ko or rt61pci.ko
[03:22] <Selanit> rt61.ko -- rt61pci is a different driver (which also doesn't work)
[03:22] <awag> JohnFlux, Blackbox maybe?
[03:23] <JohnFlux> awag: thanks
[03:23] <BigPick> Selanit: run modinfo rt61 for me then please
[03:23] <Selanit> k
[03:23] <Selanit> Which bit do you want?  I'll have to retype it on my laptop
[03:23] <BigPick> awag: you have the identical problem to graelb
[03:24] <BigPick> Selanit: "modinfo rt61"
[03:24] <graelb> BigPick: did that output from lsmod help?
[03:24] <Selanit> BigPick: the whole output or just one line or what?  I can't copy and paste this stuff, it's not on the same machine as I am typing on right now
[03:24] <BigPick> graelb: indeed
[03:24] <awag> is that good or bad :) ?
[03:25] <BigPick> Selanit: Just the version and vermagic lines please
[03:25] <BigPick> graelb + awag: I'm trying to figure out why direct rendering isn't loading...
[03:25] <sea4ever> My cursor just died for no reason
[03:25] <graelb> I really appreciate it btw
[03:26] <awag> ok thanks for your effort
[03:26] <awag> yeah
[03:26] <BigPick> Hey, don't thank me yet, it ain't working.
[03:26] <awag> :-)
[03:27] <graelb> =P you're the first peroson who's really put some effort into helping me(us i suppose) with this issue
[03:27] <BigPick> Well lets hope we succede.
[03:28] <awag> yeah, i want try compiz :)
[03:28] <awag> and play counter strike
[03:28] <graelb> hehe. If we do, we need to post it on ubuntu forums, because i know a few other people are having the issue
[03:28] <Selanit> Bigpick: there is no version line.  vermagic: 2.6.22-14-generic SMP mod_unload 586.  uname -r says 2.6.22-14-386.  When I "make all" in my source directories, the first line says "Entering directory /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-386".  So the compiler appears to be using 386 headers but generating "generic" code.
[03:28] <graelb> for the record, i CAN use compiz, but the drivers aren't working correctly
[03:28] <BigPick> graelb: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:28] <graelb> absolutely
[03:29] <BigPick> Selanit: I was afraid of that...
[03:29] <BigPick> Selanit: That might be a make setting...
[03:30] <BigPick> Selanit: Do you have the generic kernel installed at all?
[03:30] <Selanit> Lemme look up what kernels I've got.
[03:30] <graelb> BigPick: http://pastebin.com/d253ccf43
[03:30] <awag> graelb, what happens when you run compiz?
[03:31] <graelb> awag: it runs fine, although i lose window decorations every once in a while and have to reload it
[03:31] <awag> graelb, when i do it it says Xgl not present, and then it changes the tops of my windows to a different style than i had them set to
[03:31] <JohnFlux> anyone know how to set the default desktop that loads?
[03:31] <awag> and nothing else
[03:31] <JohnFlux> instead of kde, I want it to use blackbox
[03:32] <graelb> awag: try installing fusion-icon, or just try doing alt-f2, then type compiz --indirect-rendering --replace
[03:32] <Selanit> BigPick: I have exactly two linux-image-* packages installed: 2.6.20-15-386 and 2.6.22-14-386.  So, no generic kernel.
[03:32] <graelb> awag: at least i think that's teh command :-P
[03:33] <shinda> I was wondering is there any quick way to do a full upgrade to gutsy (know i'm a week behind), but something command line thing, like is sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  good enough?
[03:33] <graelb> shinda just run the update manager
[03:33] <graelb> alt-F2 update-manager i think
[03:33] <graelb> yep
[03:34] <BigPick> graelb: This is so odd. The logs indicated that direct rendering loaded succesfully...
[03:34] <graelb> :-S
[03:34] <graelb> So, dmesg shows it's not running, but the xorg logs say it is
[03:35] <shinda> just wondering does gutsy bring better dual display support for kubuntu also or we still waiting on kde4 for that
[03:35] <shinda> (main problem I got right now with dual display is just how window maximizing happens)
[03:35] <graelb> I have no idea on that one shinda
[03:36] <JohnFlux> shinda: seems to be better for some, worse for others :)
[03:36] <shinda> JohnFlux, I'll keep my fingers crossed then otherwise I may be in for one long weekend
[03:36] <JohnFlux> :)
[03:37] <graelb> it doesn't really take all that long to install ubuntu, whichever route you go. i doubt you'll have a ton of trouble
[03:37] <shinda> I still have to upgrade ati drivers also, (internet was out for the last week)
[03:37] <graelb> i take solisce in the fact that i can reinstall if things get too hard
[03:37] <graelb> lol
[03:37] <awag> that was fun
[03:38] <awag> graelb, i accidentally closed the terminal window that i started compiz from and kde shat itself
[03:38] <awag> hehe
[03:38] <graelb> oh, yeah... that'll happen
[03:38] <graelb> run compiz from a command (alt+F2,) and you don't have to worry about closing it on accident
[03:39] <BigPick> allright... makeing some headway..
[03:39] <awag> BigPick, where is that log located again? I want to check mine
[03:39] <awag> oh
[03:40] <graelb> hey BigPick here's another one that will probably trump you, the hardware scan that KOTOR2 does in WINE says i don't have any vram, an 800mhz processor (2g) and no opengl drivers
[03:40] <graelb> lol
[03:40] <awag> nevermind, found it
[03:40] <awag> lol
[03:40] <graelb> stump* not trump
[03:40] <graelb> questions... not euchre
[03:41] <sonic>  anyone willing to look at a build error I got compiling kdebase for kde4? I pasted the last few lines in http://rafb.net/p/CjknwI42.html
[03:42] <BigPick> awag: try http://pastebin.com/m337c1230 in your xorg.conf file
[03:42] <graelb> headway is good
[03:42] <awag> ok!
[03:43] <BigPick> graelb: ...hang on...
[03:43] <graelb> like i said, no hurry
[03:43] <KalEl> hi... i just installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu. where is the recycle bin? i can't find it!
[03:44] <jtt> sonic, been away from c++ for a bit but looks like a reference to Soprano in the DummyModel class is unresolved
[03:44] <sonic> yeah
[03:44] <the-erm> Well I'm back ... still can't figure out this dang lirc problem.
[03:44] <jtt> sonic, or the dummymodel function
[03:45] <sonic> soprano I think is in the kdesupport module
[03:45] <awag> ok, rebooting, trying this new xorg.conf
[03:45] <sonic> which is the first one I built
[03:45] <BigPick> graelb: could I bother you for your dmesg in pastebin? I'm wondering if this is an odd library conflict
[03:45] <graelb> sure
[03:45] <jtt> sonic, grep the code and see if Soprano exists at all
[03:45] <graelb> hang on a sec
[03:45] <the-erm> awag: you don't need to reboot.
[03:46] <jtt> sonic, perhaps the  dummymodel ref is also wrong
[03:46] <BigPick> graelb: scratch that...
[03:46] <sonic> hmmm, not very good with grep
[03:46] <the-erm> awag: you can ctrl+alt+f1 log in then run /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:46] <BigPick> graelb: won't have what I need... god where is that bookmark I had
[03:46] <the-erm> or you can ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x.
[03:46] <awag> the-erm, ok thanks
[03:47] <jtt> sonic, what is the suffix on the source files in that directory
[03:47] <awag> before when i tried to do that i kept getting into vanilla X with no kde or anything
[03:47] <the-erm> awag: I personally recommend ctrl+alt+f1 approach when testing xorg.
[03:47] <awag> ok
[03:47] <awag> i'll do that
[03:47] <KalEl> hi, how can i display the recycle bin in kde?
[03:47] <graelb> BigPick: ok, well then... hehe
[03:47] <jtt> sonic,   .c  or dot something else
[03:47] <sonic> .cpp
[03:48] <sonic> i think almost all kde is cpp
[03:48] <jtt> sonic, ah yes  so just  grep -i soprano  *.cpp see what you get
[03:49] <sonic> well in the kdesupport module there is a folder for soprano
[03:50] <sonic> its part of kde
[03:50] <sonic> its not just a file
[03:51] <sonic> Soprano is a library which provides a QT wrapper API to different RDF storage solutions. It features named graphs (contexts) and has a modular plug-in structure which allows to use RDF backends implemented with different RDF Storage.
[03:51] <the-erm> KalEl: you should be able to access it via the toolbar applet.
[03:51] <jtt> sonic, cd to that dir and  run the grep command i gave you see if  dummymodel is a class etc.
[03:51] <BigPick> graelb: Odd question..
[03:52] <graelb> no such thing
[03:52] <jtt> sonic, what is being compiled says the  soprano lib does not have ref to  dummymodel or one of its functions may be hard to find
[03:52] <BigPick> greaelb: do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[03:52] <graelb> i'm not sure
[03:52] <awag> BigPick, sorry to say that didn't work :(
[03:52] <BigPick> graelb: Remove it if you do.
[03:52] <KalEl> the-erm, thanks, i found it
[03:52] <graelb> well, xserver-xgl command not found. let me check in synaptic
[03:52] <BigPick> awag: Gosh darn it. I'm striking out today.
[03:53] <jtt> sonic, what is RDF storage
[03:53] <BigPick> awag: what happened?
[03:53] <the-erm> KalEl: .local/share/Trash/files/ seems to be the trash as well. .local/share/Trash/info/ is part of the trash system as well.
[03:53] <the-erm> that's ~/.local for the record.
[03:53] <awag> BigPick, blank screen, blinking cursor no prompt
[03:53] <KalEl> the-erm, thanks... i find that gnome and kde have different recycle bins, because gnome deleted files are not showing here
[03:54] <graelb> i do have it installed
[03:54] <graelb> you want me to remove it?
[03:54] <carbon_unit> Hi all.
[03:54] <BigPick> graelb: yup
[03:54] <awag> i have one quick question, where does gnome hide the startup command for gnome-screensaver, because even though i have kde installed and gnome disabled gnome-screensaver invariabley starts at startup
[03:54] <BigPick> awag: dmesg tell you anything?
[03:54] <graelb> ok, done. do i need to restart X? bigpick?
[03:55] <Selanit> I think I'll try manually downloading the generic kernel packages and installing them.
[03:55] <BigPick> graelb: yup
[03:55] <awag> BigPick,  what should i look for in the output of that
[03:55] <graelb> ok, brb
[03:55] <BigPick> awag: something that says error
[03:56] <graelb> whoa! nvidia settings works
[03:56] <BigPick> selanit: Good luck bro. I have had to manually patch bcm43xx since 2.6.14
[03:56] <the-erm> you might luck out and sudo tail -n 1000 /var/log/syslog  | less       might have what you need.
[03:56] <BigPick> graelb: YES!!!!!!
[03:57] <graelb> AND AND AND glxinfo comes back as yes
[03:57] <graelb> how did you know to do that?
[03:57]  * BigPick DANCES AROUND ROOM
[03:57] <the-erm> graelb: nvidia-settings doesn't save everything though.
[03:57] <awag> i reverted back to my old xorg.conf so i could get back online, should i put the one you made make in?
[03:57] <BigPick> graelb: did the same thing myslef
[03:57] <the-erm> At least the version I have doesn't ...
[03:57] <awag> and then do dmesg?
[03:57] <BigPick> awag: hang on...
[03:57] <graelb> lol that's ok, i don't care if it saves anything, it works now anyway
[03:58] <graelb> you, my friend, are a genius
[03:58] <awag> was the solution discovered while i was restarting X?
[03:58] <BigPick> awag: You have nvidia-glx-new installed correct?
[03:59] <awag> yes
[03:59] <BigPick> awag: do you have xserver-xorg installed?
[03:59] <BigPick> awag: if you do, uninstall it
[03:59] <awag> let me check
[04:00] <graelb> ok! sweet
[04:00] <BigPick> graelb: :)
[04:00] <yurimxpxman> how do I enable messages so others can send me messages via write? mesg y doesn't seem to do it..
[04:00] <graelb> i'm going to reboot and see if it actually sticks
[04:00] <graelb> i'll be back in like... a minute and a half
[04:01] <awag> i have xserver-xorg and alot of it's friends installed it looks like
[04:01] <awag> like xserver-xorg-core
[04:02] <the-erm> Installing the nvidia card is not fun ...
[04:02] <awag> so it seems :)
[04:02] <the-erm> Is it PCI?
[04:03] <graelb> sweet!
[04:03] <graelb> still works
[04:03] <KalEl> how do i find out if an application is using gnome?
[04:03] <the-erm> KalEl if a program uses gtk then I'm pretty sure it uses some elements of gnome ...
[04:04] <KalEl> the-erm, thanks but how do i know if the program uses gtk?
[04:04] <KalEl> now that i moved over to kde i want to get rid of gnome programs that i won't use...
[04:04] <curi0> hello ubuntu users!
[04:05] <the-erm> I don't know.
[04:05] <curi0> How do I know if synaptic package manager is downloading only from Gutsy Repositories?
[04:05] <awag> BigPick, should i uninstall everything that has xserver-xorg in front of the package name, or justthat one?
[04:06] <Selanit> I've just downloaded and manually installed the .deb files for linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic and all associated headers.  It appears to have installed smoothly; is there anything in particular I should do before I reboot?
[04:06] <graelb> BigPick: thanks again =)
[04:06] <KalEl> curi0, click the repositories button
[04:07] <the-erm> Well if you have a gui, then wouldn't that mean the nvidia card is working?
[04:07] <BigPick> awag: uninstall just xserver-xgl
[04:07] <Selanit> Right.  Rebooting, then.  Wish me luck.
[04:07] <BigPick> awag: then try this new xorg.conf I made for ya http://pastebin.com/d1b90de53
[04:07] <the-erm> Selanit: cross your fingers :)
[04:08] <awag> BigPick, i thought you said uninstall xserver-xorg?
[04:08] <the-erm> that's the whole thing?
[04:08] <Selanit> It's been four days since I had a working network connection on my main machine - I've crossed every body part I can!
[04:08] <BigPick> awag: shit.... my bad...
[04:08] <awag> BigPick, i haven't done anything yet, waiting for the ok from you, which one is it? :)
[04:09] <BigPick> awag: you need xserver-xorg not xserver-xgl
[04:09] <awag> BigPick, ok
[04:09] <BigPick> awag: you may not have xserver-xgl, but it was what was messing with graelb's install
[04:09] <Selanit> That's interesting, KDE has stopped working.
[04:09] <BigPick> Selanit: I wish you luck.
[04:10] <BigPick> Selanit: Hmm, thats a new twist.
[04:10] <Selanit> It says: kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot ...
[04:10] <the-erm> Selanit: sound like you removed the wrong thing.
[04:11] <Selanit> the-erm: I didn't remove anything at all, I just switched to a new kernel
[04:11] <BigPick> Oh, I've had that happen
[04:11] <xubuntu> whats up all...  i have been using ubuntu for a while, thought I would tru kubuntu (for 7.10)...  only I can't get logged in as root...  i edited the allowrootlogin and all that, but it still say root log in not allowed...
[04:12] <BigPick> Selanit: let me check my logs for what I did to fix that...
[04:12] <the-erm> xubuntu: I think there's something in kcontrol you have to edit.
[04:12] <awag> BigPick, i had it and it was installed, just removed it, i'll try the new xorg.conf again
[04:12] <xubuntu> kool, ill look into that...
[04:13] <the-erm> I think it's under login manager or something like that.
[04:14] <BigPick> awag: yeah make sure you use http://pastebin.com/d1b90de53 this one
[04:15] <BigPick> Selanit: Which kernel were you switching to? Older or newer? Or just the generic?
[04:15] <Selanit> Just generic.  And, I should add, I just recompiled my rt61 module and it WORKS.
[04:15] <Selanit> The network isn't configured, but at least I've got a freaking driver for the card
[04:15] <the-erm> Since you know so much about xorg.conf files mind looking at mine? http://pastebin.com/m7a1c722e there's nothing wrong, I'm just curious if there's something I could change to make it better that you might see.
[04:16] <BigPick> Selanit: Do you have the restricted modules installed for the generic?
[04:16] <awag> BigPick, i should add that into the one you posted a few minutes ago right?
[04:16] <curi0> Would it pose necessary to add "main restricted universe multiverse" to the six ubuntu gutsy repositories that I have?
[04:16] <awag> BigPick, the one that didn't work for me the first go round
[04:16] <graelb> BigPick: hey, if i were to re-run dpkg-reconfigure and nvidia-glx-config, would it kill everything you've done?
[04:16] <Selanit> BigPick: I don't know.  How would I check that?  Keep in mind I haven't got a GUI at the moment
[04:17] <BigPick> awag: No, just copy that latest one into a new xorg.conf file. Make sure to backup the existing one.
[04:17] <xubuntu> im not finding the kcontrol...
[04:17] <BigPick> graelb: It might, back it up to like xorg.conf.bak just to be sure.
[04:18] <graelb> ok *nods* i'm playing with the settings for a game in WINE, and i wanna check a few things
[04:18] <graelb> Otherwise, it's dinnertime
[04:18] <the-erm> Selanit: if you have another computer with linux on it you can ssh -X machineYouWantToFix and run various gui programs to configure things.
[04:18] <BigPick> Selanit: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[04:19] <Selanit> BigPick: Still no network connection.  I've got the driver up and running, but it's not configured yet.  I'm working on it.
[04:19] <the-erm> My bad I forgot.
[04:19] <BigPick> Selanit: Can you try running startkde?
[04:21] <BigPick> Selanit: Well  you might need "sudo startkde"
[04:22] <Selanit> BigPick: startkde appears to do nothing, even when run as root.  Right now, though, I have two higher priorities than KDE.  First, I want my freaking network card to work right, so I'm manually configuring it.  Second, I'd really like my computer to stop beeping.  It just started emitting a constant, high-pitched beeeeeeeep from the system speaker.
[04:22] <the-erm> I wonder how different /etc/init.d/kdm start   compared to startkde
[04:23] <Selanit> And it's frozen.  I think I have to reboot again.
[04:23] <Jucato> (afaik startkde presumes that X is already running, and logs you into KDE directly as the user that ran it)
[04:23] <Jucato> (kdm starts X if it isn',t and gives you the login screen)
[04:24] <the-erm> Selanit: that sounds bad.
[04:24] <BigPick> Selanit: blacklisting the "pcspkr" module will fix the beeping
[04:24] <BigPick> Selanit: but you got some bigger fish to fry.
[04:25] <BigPick> Selanit: I'd recommend booting into recovery mode for the generic kernel.
[04:26] <BigPick> Selanit: I would also recommend listening to Jucato now that he is here. Jucato == god.
[04:26] <Jucato> O.o
[04:26]  * BigPick is not worthy!
[04:27]  * Jucato is also going to sleep
[04:27] <Selanit> Err
[04:27] <xubuntu> one question, is it possible to login as root in kubuntu 7.10????  I have been trying for two days...
[04:28] <Jucato> !root | xubuntu
[04:28] <ubotu> xubuntu: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:28] <Jucato> xubuntu: short answer: no
[04:28] <awag> hmmm
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> sudo adduser root?
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> sudo -i?
[04:28] <Jucato> that's better
[04:28] <Selanit> Okay, so why is a malfunctioning KDE a worse problem than a malfunctioning network card?
[04:28]  * Jucato thwacks sub[t]rnl
[04:28] <juancamilo> hi all
[04:29] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[04:29] <the-erm> you can sudo passwd and set a root password then su to your hearts content.
[04:29] <Jucato> Selanit: hm... unless you are able to easily navigate through the command line and use text-based IRC clients and web browsers.. I think you'll have a hard time even if you have networking up :)
[04:29] <BigPick> awag: Hows it going?
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> Jucato: i like muh bitchx and lynx..
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> :}
[04:30] <the-erm> Well actually you can apt-get what you need a lot easier, which can fix the problem.
[04:30] <Selanit> Jucato: I'm comfortable on the command line.  I do of course want KDE back, but it's actually a less pressing problem than cajoling my stupid wireless card into working.
[04:30] <juancamilo> i have a problem with kubuntu, most of my burned cds are not being detected, they appear as black cds...
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> juancamilo: lets not get racist
[04:31] <awag> BigPick, the only thing in the last pastebin was a monitor section right?
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> juancamilo: heh, what format and program are you using to burn the cd's?
[04:31] <Selanit> Also, I have a laptop sitting next to me with graphical stuff.  That's how I'm chatting here right now.
[04:31] <the-erm> oh man ... a wireless card ... I've never had success with one of those.  I ended up getting a wireless gateway router.
[04:31] <BigPick> awag: Yeah, and some other stuff.
[04:31] <juancamilo> I have a dual boot system with kubuntu 7.1 and windows xp, and i know the cd-dvd-rom works, because in windows it works fine, and the cd work fine
[04:31] <the-erm> It cost $50 - about the same price as a wireless card - and I can add up to 4 machines.
[04:31] <juancamilo> sorry blank cds... sorry again
[04:32] <Selanit> Mine's an Edimax EW-7128g wifi card, which worked reasonably well in Feisty, and died a horrible death as soon as I rebooted into Gutsy.  I've been working on it for the last four days.
[04:32] <sub[t]rnl> juancamilo: hehe, just make sure your booting from your cdrom before the harddrive in your bios
[04:32] <BigPick> I had to write my own bcm43xx patches to get em to work with my bcm4311 chipset
[04:32] <the-erm> Selanit: does it show up in ifconfig ?
[04:33] <BigPick> awag: Do we have success or failure?
[04:33] <awag> hang on, i'm gonna try it again
[04:33] <Selanit> the-erm: now that I've compiled a custom driver for it, yes.  At this point I'm working on configuration
[04:33] <awag> not sure yet
[04:34] <juancamilo> sub[t]rnl: the problem is not when booting, is when i'm just trying to use a cd, for example to install a program, and is not only in one especif case, it happens with most of the cds...
[04:34] <sub[t]rnl> juancamilo: ah, so your cdrom isn't mounting the discs?
[04:35] <sub[t]rnl> well.. -your- not mounting the discs rather
[04:35] <juancamilo> sub[t]rnl: but for example, in the other hand, i burned the kubuntu cd aswell, and that one works fine...some work but most of the just appear as blank cd
[04:35] <BigPick> juancamilo: you might be having a groups issue.
[04:35] <juancamilo> ???? how can i figure it out?
[04:35] <sub[t]rnl> your burning it in windows?
[04:35] <awag> BigPick, i'm not exactly sure where to paste that into my xorg.conf
[04:36] <BigPick> awag: The entire thing is a xorg.conf, just download the file and rename it xorg.conf and move it to /etc/X11/
[04:36] <vbgunz> anybody know what kmail error 127 key has expired means?
[04:37] <Selanit_> Meh, lost my connection for a moment when I switched from TKIP encrypted WPA to unencrypted access on the AP for debugging.
[04:37] <BigPick> juancamilo: run the command "groups" in a terminal and see if "cdrom" is there.
[04:38] <awag> BigPick, http://pastebin.com/d1b90de53 in this one all i see is a partial xorg.conf
[04:38] <awag> BigPick, unless i'm not entirely sure how xorg.conf works
[04:39] <BigPick> hahahahaha my bad man.
[04:39] <BigPick> I'm way too tired.
[04:39] <BigPick> Lemme try that again.
[04:39] <BigPick> I had midterms today, I'm fried :P
[04:39] <mordaunt> is there a way to prevent kubuntu from starting mplayer as gmplayer? o_O
[04:39] <mordaunt> it's pissing me off...
[04:39] <sub[t]rnl> whats awag trying to do anyway?
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> mordaunt: how are you launching mplayer?
[04:40] <angelus> if i have 2 kernels, is it posible to mount a module from the second kernel while im on the first kernel?
[04:40] <BigPick> awag: http://pastebin.com/d1e5f6d83
[04:40] <mordaunt> i was trying to associate it with a file type sub[t]rnl
[04:40] <BigPick> awag: that should do it
[04:40] <mordaunt> i just don't want to drop down the command line to run no frills mplayer :\
[04:40] <awag> BigPick,  ok let me try this
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> mordaunt: ah, kcontrol -> kDE components -> file association
[04:41] <BigPick> awag: lol I'm so sorry man, no wonder you were confused, that was so my bad
[04:41] <BigPick> juancamilo: How you doin man?
[04:41] <mordaunt> sub[t]rnl: i already looked there.. i'll look again
[04:41] <awag> BigPick, np, thanks for the help, gonna restart x now
[04:42] <BigPick> Selanit_: Things going ok?
[04:42] <Selanit_> BigPick: just manually editing /etc/network/interfaces until it works
[04:43] <mordaunt> sub[t]rnl: thanks.. i see that kcontrol wasn't where i went.. just something that looked kind of like it =)
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> mordaunt: yup, they try to stuff away ol kcontrol. It still has a few useful features in it
[04:44] <hellhound> does anyone know why a file in my Autostart folder will not load when I boot?  If I doubleclick it, it will load though
[04:44] <mordaunt> sub[t]rnl: hehe i would've gone crazy without your help =)
[04:45] <BigPick> Selanit_: I just have "auto eth0 \ #iface eth0 inet dhcp" in mine. I let NetworkManager handle the rest.
[04:45] <sub[t]rnl> hellhound: what type of file? a script of some sorts?  make sure you chmod +x file if it is
[04:45] <ForeverZero> Hey, iuh
[04:45] <hellhound> sub[t]rnl: it is xbindkeys
[04:45] <ForeverZero> Where does wu-ftpd store it's logs?
[04:46] <Selanit_> BigPick: last time I checked, NetworkManager was incapable of dealing with my wireless card's chipset.  I've been using completely manual settings since I first installed Ubuntu
[04:46] <hellhound> sub[t]rnl: it is set to be executable
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> hellhound: create a sym link to it if its a program. ln -s /whever/the/binary/is
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> in your Autostart dir
[04:46] <hellhound> sub[t]rnl: i tried that as well and no go :(
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[04:46] <BigPick> Selanit_: Ah, i see.
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> what is xbindkey anywho
[04:47] <sub[t]rnl> have you tried ps aux|grep xbindkey when kde loads up? to see if its running and maybe you just didn't catch it?
[04:47] <awag> BigPick, sorry to say it didn't work
[04:47] <hellhound> sub[t]rnl: it allows me to send a keystroke through a mouse button
[04:47] <BigPick> awag: what happened?
[04:48] <hellhound> sub[t]rnl: no i haven't, but i know it is not loaded because my mouse button does not work as I planned it until I manually run the link
[04:48] <awag> BigPick, same thing, blank cursor, no X, i did a dmesg, and it said something about NVIDIA "tainting" the kernel
[04:48] <awag> lol
[04:48] <vbgunz> I got it. I walked my wife through setting it up and she literally put 'empty' in the precommand field in the smtp setup :P
[04:48] <BigPick> awag: that will show up anyway.
[04:49] <posingaspopular> hmm im trying to setup yakuake so I can type (or try to type) pythons code right into it
[04:49] <BigPick> awag: try running "sudo kdm"
[04:49] <flick> considering everything, kubuntu seems far better than gnome ubuntu to me
[04:49] <awag> BigPick, after i exit X?
[04:49] <flick> although that's my personal opinion
[04:50] <BigPick> awag: Wow... wait your in X?
[04:51] <awag> BigPick, well, i mean i've been ctrl alt f1 ing before i hit the command to restart kdm
[04:51] <BigPick> awag: your going to need to do a full restart so the new kernel modules can load
[04:52] <posingaspopular> manchicken: do you use yakuake?
[04:52] <manchicken> posingaspopular: Naw.  I use konsole pretty exclusively.
[04:53] <posingaspopular> ah. my brother told me that you can use it to write python and i cant figure it out
[04:53] <awag> BigPick, ok so i should reboot with that new xorg?
[04:53] <posingaspopular> even the man page doesnt help
[04:53] <awag> BigPick, full reboot
[04:53] <manchicken> You can use the interactive python interpreter.
[04:53] <flick> is there a kde bluetooth app that i can use to remotely control media from my symbian mobile phone?
[04:53] <BigPick> awag: yup, that new xorg will load the new modules hopefull for direct rendering
[04:54] <awag> ok brb
[04:54] <posingaspopular> where/how?
[04:54] <Selanit_> Back shortly
[04:54] <forevertheuni> hi all I can't start any kde app
[04:55] <flick> how do i change screen resolution?
[04:55] <forevertheuni> how can I restart the daemons withouth login out of gnome?
[04:55] <forevertheuni> (i'm running gnome)
[04:56] <BigPick> flick: I'm terribly familiar with bluetooth software but you might want to check out kbtobxclient
[04:56] <ChrisAshton84> hi, first time using an ubuntu distro, and I can't get nvidia drivers working - using the latest amd64 livecd - i've tried all the different versions of nvidia-glx with no success
[04:56] <ChrisAshton84> anyone able to help?
[04:56] <flick> BigPick: thanks
[04:56] <BigPick> forevertheuni: Which daemons would you like to restart?
[04:56] <flick> i will check it out
[04:57] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: We have been working with nVidia's all afternoon :)
[04:57] <forevertheuni> BigPick, all that kaffeine needs to run
[04:57] <forevertheuni> ktorrent and kaffeine don't start
[04:57] <Selanit> Woo hoo, I gots me a working wireless connection, with encryption and everything!
[04:58] <Selanit> brb
[04:58] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: Make sure you install the package "nvidia-glx-new"
[04:58] <BigPick> forevertheuni: From gnome...
[04:59] <forevertheuni> yes
[04:59] <forevertheuni> I can't logout and restart
[04:59] <forevertheuni> that's why I'm asking
[04:59] <selanit> BigPick: okay, now that my wireless card is working, time to worry about KDE.  Did you have a suggestion about the weird lack of a restore error?
[04:59] <forevertheuni> never happened before
[04:59] <BigPick> forevertheuni: I don't know actually. Never used gnome for much.
[04:59] <forevertheuni> but..kbuildsycoca?
[04:59] <BigPick> selanit: Restore error?
[04:59] <awag> BigPick, no go :(
[05:00] <awag> BigPick, same thing as always
[05:00] <selanit> BigPick: the way KDE failed to load after I restarted into a new kernel and said it didn't have a restore image?
[05:01] <BigPick> selanit: I would recomend booting into recoverymode for the new kernel and trying to reconfigure kdm.
[05:01] <ChrisAshton84> whenever it tries to modload the driver it errors about not being able to INSTALL it
[05:01] <forevertheuni> ok BigPick found them
[05:01] <forevertheuni> killed everything
[05:01] <forevertheuni> kdeinit kdelauncher kded
[05:01] <forevertheuni> etc etc
[05:01] <forevertheuni> its working now
[05:01] <BigPick> cool
[05:02] <selanit> BigPick: I tried a startx from a second console, and it looks as though I need to reinstall the nvidia stuff.  There's a new way of handling those in Gutsy, right?
[05:03] <BigPick> awag: okay, is there anyway to for you to post /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:03] <awag> BigPick, that only is the log of the current X session right?
[05:03] <BigPick> selanit: Yes, the restricted driver manager
[05:03] <mordaunt> sub[t]rnl i'm still stuck with gmplayer. there are a few listed embedded services.. and kde only uses things it calls services
[05:03] <mordaunt> i have no idea how to create basic mplayer as a service
[05:04] <BigPick> awag: are you doing this all on one computer or on two?
[05:05] <awag> BigPick, one
[05:05] <angelus> my hard disc is nearly full, how can i find where i have the most GB/MB on the partition ?
[05:05] <awag> BigPick, is there a way to find a log of the attempted load of X that failed prior to this one?
[05:05] <BigPick> awag: Ah...
[05:05] <BigPick> awag: so how are you talking to me now?
[05:06] <awag> BigPick, i copy my backup xorg.conf back everytime after the new one fails
[05:06] <awag> hehe
[05:06] <BigPick> awag: ouch, sorry man thats a ton of work for you :(
[05:06] <juancamilo> BigPick: sorry for the delay, i had to do something..sorry
[05:07] <juancamilo> juancamilo@jvasquez:~$ groups
[05:07] <juancamilo> juancamilo adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin admin netdev powerd
[05:07] <awag> BigPick, nah, np
[05:07] <juancamilo> this is the output of
[05:07] <awag> BigPick, i'll do anything to get this working
[05:07] <BigPick> awag: So when it fails, is in a console or in an X-Window?
[05:07] <awag> BigPick, i just havn't found anything on forums that are relevant to this
[05:07] <awag> BigPick, console
[05:07] <BigPick> jancamilo: will that looks perfect...
[05:07] <awag> BigPick, it stalls after loading ALSA stuff
[05:07] <selanit> rebooting, back shortly
[05:08] <awag> BigPick, and just sits there, ctrl-alt-f7 just has a blinking cursor
[05:09] <BigPick> awag: okay can you upload your current xorg.conf again to binutils, I've lost the link. I probably missed something :(
[05:09] <juancamilo> sub[t]rnl: no is not while burning, i got for example, some cds burned in windows and some that a friend gave me...any way, most of the tieme burned cds are detected under kubuntu as blank cds, and I' sure they are ok and not blank
[05:10] <awag> BigPick, binutils? pastebin?
[05:10] <juancamilo> BigPick: any ideas?
[05:10] <BigPick> pastebin sorry
[05:10] <BigPick> I'm running on fumes here... sorry. Midterms...
[05:11] <awag> hehe
[05:11] <awag> np
[05:11] <BigPick> juancmilo: I'm not sure. So it sees the CDs but nothing on them?
[05:11] <juancamilo> BigPick: yes, it will just show them as blank...
[05:11] <awag> BigPick, i havn't changed the xorg.conf file from the one you had on pastebin
[05:11] <awag> BigPick, can i just link you to that?
[05:12] <BigPick> awag: no I wanna see the one that works right now.
[05:12] <awag> BigPick, ooh ok
[05:12] <BigPick> juancamilo: does it cd other types of CDs?
[05:13] <BigPick> juancamilo: *Does it see
[05:13] <juancamilo> BigPick: yes it does.... some burned, for example the kubuntu cd, and almost all the cd-rw, also all the originals...
[05:14] <BigPick> jauncamilo: So the only CDs it doesn't see are ones burned in Windows?
[05:15] <awag> BigPick,  http://pastebin.com/m390d230f <-- current xorg.conf
[05:16] <juancamilo> BigPick: nop, some of those, i just inserted the first cd of matlab which was burned under suse, and works perfectly, in other computers, but in mine, it appears as blank
[05:17] <Dr_willis> !picassa
[05:18] <juancamilo> BigPick: i noticed something, but i don't know if it should be like that or not, i have a cdrom folder in /cdrom, another one is /media/cdrom and another /media/cdrom0...is that normal, or ??
[05:18] <juancamilo> BigPick: i only have one cdrom tho...
[05:20] <juancamilo> I don't know what to do now, I need to make images of 4 cd that i have to return, but they are detected as blank on kubuntu...
[05:21] <juancamilo> how can i check if i have an apropiate driver for my cdrom or if it is working propertly?
[05:22] <BigPick> awag: Okay, fixing my goof ups on the .conf
[05:23] <BigPick> jauncamilo: Well if the cdrom can see other cds its not a driver problem
[05:24] <awag> BigPick, ok, thanks man, sorry to keep you from sleep
[05:26] <juancamilo_> hi all
[05:26] <BigPick> awag: okay one more try
[05:27] <BigPick> awag: http://pastebin.com/m50d2ebb4
[05:27] <awag> BigPick, ok thanks, brb
[05:27] <BigPick> you okay over there juancamilo?
[05:27] <juancamilo_> BigPick: not yet, i can't get it to work...
[05:27] <mordaunt> oh wow.. what sneak bastids...
[05:28] <mordaunt> the config was in .local/share/applications/mplayer.desktop XD
[05:29] <juancamilo_> BigPick: i have no idea what to do, i only can thing of having the wrong driver for the cd-dvd rom or having it wron set up or something...
[05:29] <juancamilo_> BigPick: is very weird that not all cds are detected propertly and the rest just as blank...
[05:29] <Dr_willis> there should be no 'drivers' for a cdrom.
[05:30] <BigPick> juancamilo_: CDs are all encoded using a universal file format known as ISO 9660
[05:30] <Dr_willis> that is weird.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> i wonder what 'dmesg' says when you pop in one of the unseen cd's
[05:31] <BigPick> juancamilo_: the only other format is UDF...
[05:31] <juancamilo_> Dr_willis: is a long output... how should i sedn it to u?
[05:31] <Dr_willis> The last few lines might mention the cd drive
[05:32] <Dr_willis> scan the output see if it mentions your cd drives anywhere
[05:32] <juancamilo_> BigPick: but is weird because under windows they all work, using the same cd-dvd rom...???
[05:33] <Dr_willis> How were some of these disks made? You dident make some with the windows 'drag and drop to the cd - select burn to disk' feature did you?
[05:33] <juancamilo_> Dr_willis: this is the last line: [  350.864000] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
[05:33] <BigPick> jauncamilo_: Try something for me... run "sudo modprobe udf" in a terminal, then try to mount the CDs again.
[05:33] <juancamilo_> Dr_willis: ...some in suse 10 with k3b and some with nero under windows
[05:35] <pwilson> Hi folks, just installed 7.10, and my K menu is populated with really odd names. everything starts with _:Entries in K menu: Strigi...
[05:36] <pwilson> # /join ubuntu
[05:36] <awag> BigPick,  no go :( same exact thing, my system just doesn't like anything but the nv driver it seems
[05:38] <BigPick> juancamilo_: run "sudo mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0" in a terminal then check in /media/cdrom0
[05:38] <BigPick> awag: Could you do me the favor of running "sudo modprobe nvidia" in a terminal and telling me the ouptut.
[05:38] <awag> BigPick, can i be in X?
[05:38] <BigPick> awag: oh yeah
[05:38] <BigPick> awag: just use konsole
[05:39] <awag> BigPick, nothing at all comes out
[05:39] <BigPick> awag: thats good. Now run dmesg and see if there are any angry messages
[05:40] <Selanit> Hmm.  Adept says "There was an error committing changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would brek packages."  That's odd.
[05:40] <juancamilo_> BigPick:
[05:40] <juancamilo_> juancamilo@jvasquez:/media$ sudo mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
[05:40] <juancamilo_> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[05:40] <juancamilo_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[05:40] <juancamilo_>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[05:40] <juancamilo_>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[05:40] <juancamilo_>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[05:40] <juancamilo_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:40] <juancamilo_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:40] <juancamilo_> this is the output of it
[05:41] <BigPick> Well I'm out of ideas then
[05:41] <hellhound> does anyone know why my xkeybinds link in my Autostart folder will not launch?  it will if i manually double click though
[05:41] <BigPick> juancamilo_: I'm sorry man, I'm just exhausted right now, I can't think of other options for you right now...
[05:42] <pwilson> Any help with my K menu showing "_: Entries in K menu: Strigi app name..." before every item?  Just installed Gutsy.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> BigPick,  i cant think of anything either.
[05:43] <juancamilo_> BigPick: don't worry, thanks for the help tho
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[05:43] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[05:43] <awag> BigPick, I don't see anything that looks like it is an error with dmesg
[05:44] <BigPick> awag: okay... thats a step in the right direction...
[05:45] <awag> BigPick, ok
[05:45] <BigPick> awag: see if /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old has information on our last failed attempt
[05:46] <Gannondorf> I need help with a graphics bug in Kubuntu 7.04
[05:46] <Selanit> Oh, well - a sudo apt-get upgrade appears to have done it when adept couldn't for some reason.  Weird.
[05:46] <Gannondorf> Hello?
[05:46] <BigPick> Selanit: don't get me started on adept right now... its eaten three of my installs
[05:46] <awag> BigPick, ok, it says unexpected end of file
[05:47] <Selanit> BigPick:  It's really not very good, is it?  I mostly use it just to view which packages I've got installed.  apt-get is great for actually managing packages, but lousy for showing you what you've currently got.
[05:48] <BigPick> awag: erm... okay... thats not good
[05:48] <awag> Fatal server error:
[05:48] <awag> no screens found
[05:48] <awag> (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor
[05:48] <awag> (WW) xf86CloseConsole: VT_GETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor
[05:48] <awag> (WW) xf86OpenConsole: VT_GETSTATE failed: Bad file descriptor
[05:48] <awag> BigPick, this too
[05:48] <Selanit> Gotta restart X
[05:48] <Selanit> brb
[05:48] <BigPick> awag: sweet... that helps
[05:49] <BigPick> awag: anything else?
[05:49] <awag> BigPick, says there is a parse error on line 138
[05:49] <BigPick> awag: does it say in what file? what the error was?
[05:49] <Gannondorf> ?
[05:50] <Gannondorf> I got a weird graphics bug goin on here
[05:50] <awag> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Oct 27 00:32:38 2007
[05:50] <awag> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[05:50] <awag> Parse error on line 138 of section ServerLayout in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:50] <awag> 	Unexpected EOF. Missing EndSection keyword?
[05:50] <awag> (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[05:50] <awag> (EE) Error parsing the config file
[05:50] <mneptok> !pastebin > awag
[05:50] <BigPick> Gannondorf: Okay, what exactly is the problem.
[05:51] <awag> i'm sorry
[05:51] <mneptok> awag: no worries. that's why the bot does taht trick.
[05:51] <mneptok> *that
[05:51] <Gannondorf> BigPick: I have little lines all over the scroll bars and Everything in the menus has the same thing
[05:51] <mneptok> repeat offenses will be far more annoying
[05:52] <Gannondorf> um
[05:53] <Gannondorf> uhoh
[05:54] <hellhound> does anyone know why my xkeybinds link in my Autostart folder will not launch?  it will if i manually double click though
[05:55] <Dr_willis> make sure the full path to the command is used in the  path perhaps.
[05:55] <BigPick> awag: another attempt http://pastebin.com/d369ec472
[05:55] <Dr_willis> or just make a bash script that launches the proper command
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !find autostart
[05:55] <BigPick> awag: lemme know when you get tired of my ineptitude
[05:55] <Dr_willis> I had issues with some things in Autostart.
[05:55] <Gannondorf> BigPick: I have little lines all over the scroll bars and Everything in the menus has the same thing
[05:56] <BigPick> Gannondorf: I heard you. I'm trying to help three people right now.
[05:56] <Selanit> BigPick: Hey, I figured out that the reason I wasn't getting any KDE in my new kernel is that the nvidia driver wasn't installed properly.  I
[05:56] <Gannondorf> ouch
[05:56] <Gannondorf> ouch
[05:56] <Selanit> 'm still working on it, actually
[05:56] <Gannondorf> grr
[05:56] <awag> BigPick, let me know when you are tired of helping, i really appreciate it
[05:56] <Gannondorf> stupid laptop keyboard
[05:56] <awag> BigPick, brb, rebooting with that one
[05:56] <hellhound> Dr_willis: how do i make a bash script?
[05:57] <BigPick> Gannondorf: Okay, I had that problem once aswell.
[05:57] <Selanit> BigPick: for the moment, I have KDE running again using the "nv" driver.  I've been looking for this new restricted drivers thingy, but I can't find it.  I looked in system settings -> advanced tab, but there's no "restricted drivers" section, and there's no "administrator mode" button.  Ideas?
[05:58] <Gannondorf> Selanit: Try Google
[05:58] <Gannondorf> Selanit: It's great
[05:58] <BigPick> Gannondorf: I'm going to say the same to you now.
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> hmm anyone know why nvidia-legacy wont do glx stuff, I have the glx module section in xorg.conf
[05:58] <Gannondorf> BigPick: What do i type in
[05:59] <BigPick> Selanit: I have forgotten where it is aswell. Just run "restricted-manager-kde"
[05:59] <Selanit> okay, thanks
[06:00] <Gannondorf> BigPick: How did you end up fixing it?
[06:00] <Selanit> Ah!  It's not installed.  That would explain why it's not where it should be.
[06:01] <BigPick> Gannondorf: I'm tired, and Selanit has been working on his problems for the last two hours. I did not appreciate your "Try google, its great" comment.
[06:01] <Gannondorf> um
[06:01] <awag> BigPick, same thing :(
[06:01] <Gannondorf> sorry?
[06:01] <Gannondorf> I just googled his problem and got tons of answers...
[06:01] <Selanit> BigPick: btw, I really appreciate your help.  Name a charity and I'll send in $10.
[06:02] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> can somebody tell me why mozilla in linux loads everything like crap
[06:02] <awag> BigPick, can you think of anything that is totally unrelated to the nvidia driver that i might be doing wrong that is fucking it up?
[06:02] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it doesnt look like it should be
[06:02] <BigPick> awag: Well, in my tired stupor I forgot the easiest option of all. Try running the new restricted-manager-kde
[06:03] <Gannondorf> ATOM1C: Same thing here
[06:03] <awag> BigPick, i have "restricted-manager" but not "restricted-manager-kde"
[06:04] <BigPick> you will likely need to install it from the repos then...
[06:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Gannondorf: so how do i make it look nice again
[06:04] <Selanit> Okay, restarting X to try the new driver. brb
[06:04] <Selanit> exit
[06:04] <Selanit> whoops
[06:04] <Selanit> wrong command
[06:04] <Selanit> brb
[06:04] <Gannondorf> ATOM1C: Go check out your appearance settings
[06:05] <Gannondorf> Wait
[06:05] <Gannondorf> Do you have little lines all over your scroll bars?
[06:05] <BigPick> awag: At this point I don't think my little xorg.conf tricks are going to help the situation anymore.
[06:06] <BigPick> awag: We might as well bring out the big guns.
[06:06] <awag> BigPick, thats what i like to hear, lol
[06:06] <Gannondorf> Big guns?
[06:06] <BigPick> awag: Yeah, no more of this tinkering nonesense, I'm failing at life and wasting your time :P
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> whats the command to get xorg to tell you what driver it is using
[06:07] <Gannondorf> BigPick: You sound like you know what you are doing
[06:07] <BigPick> awag: "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager-kde" should get the package
[06:07] <BigPick> HAHA, I'm just and idiot with enough knowledge to be dangerous, but thanks.
[06:07] <ChrisAshton84> "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia" when I try to modprobe nvidia... also shows when I try to start X
[06:08] <Selanit> Yay!  It's working.  So far as I can tell, I now have a fully functional Gutsy system.  There are a couple of weird spots, but it works. ^_^
[06:08] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: What does dmesg say?
[06:08] <awag> BigPick, just installed it
[06:08] <BigPick> Selanity: WOOOT!
[06:08] <BigPick> awag: okay, "sudo restricted-manager-kde" should bring it up.
[06:09] <ChrisAshton84> BigPick: nothing about nvidia
[06:09] <Selanit> BigPick: Woot is right.  I'll reiterate my offer - name a charity and I'll donate $10 to them.  I really appreciate the help.
[06:09] <BigPick> Selanit: pffft, I didn't help much at all. You figured it out on your own :P
[06:11] <Selanit> The moral support was invaluable.
[06:11] <Selanit> ^_^
[06:11] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: try running "sudo modprobe -v nvidia" to get a more verbose output
[06:11] <Gannondorf> Guess what movie I am watching?
[06:11] <BigPick> Selanit: Sweet :)
[06:11] <Gannondorf> War Games rofl
[06:11] <BigPick> Selanit: I'd have to say, the free software foundation for a charity :)
[06:11] <ChrisAshton84> BigPick: only adds "install /sbin/lrm-video nvidia" before what I copied eariler
[06:11] <BigPick> I love that movie
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> sigh! every time I do an kubuntu version update I get problems with glx
[06:12] <Gannondorf> BigPick: now could you do me a BigFavor?
[06:12] <Selanit> BigPick: done!
[06:13] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: have you run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" yet?
[06:13] <BigPick> Gannondorf: What video card do you have?
[06:13] <Gannondorf> um
[06:13] <Gannondorf> How do I find that out?
[06:14] <ChrisAshton84> BigPick: yep :) unfortunately it has no effect on the modprobe
[06:14] <awag> BigPick, ok, that brings up under the component column : NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver
[06:14] <awag> BigPick,  it says "in use" on the right
[06:14] <Lynoure> Gannondorf: lspci   usually shows it
[06:14] <BigPick> Gannondorf: lspci
[06:14] <awag> BigPick, on the l left is a check box option "enable"
[06:14] <BigPick> awag: okay, I want you to close out for now and uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package
[06:15] <awag> BigPick, it also says that proprietary drivers are in use
[06:15] <BigPick> awag: We want the restricted manager to start from scratch.
[06:15] <awag> ok
[06:16] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: okay... lemme check something...
[06:17] <Gannondorf> BigPick: where does it say it?
[06:18] <Selanit> Time for me to go to bed.  Thanks again, BigPick. ^_^
[06:18] <Gannondorf> VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2230 [MagicGraph 256AV+] (rev 30)
[06:18] <Gannondorf> Found it
[06:19] <BigPick> Gannondorf: hmm I have zip experience with neomagic :(
[06:19] <KingJere> Doncha just love it when you find a feature you never knew existed?!
[06:19] <Gannondorf> BigPick: cant you tell me what you did to solve yours?
[06:19] <BigPick> Gannondorf: What you are likely experiencing is an anti-aliasing problem...
[06:19] <awag> BigPick, ok uninstalled that, should i run the restriced manager again?
[06:20] <Gannondorf> oh
[06:20] <Gannondorf> um
[06:20] <BigPick> awag: yup
[06:20] <Gannondorf> I dont get it
[06:20] <awag> BigPick, should i restart first?
[06:22] <BigPick> ChrisAshton84: can you try running "sudo lrm-video nvidia" then checking to see if nvidia is loaded using "lsmod | grep nvidia"?
[06:22] <BigPick> awag: nope, you should be okay not restarting
[06:22] <BigPick> Gannondorf: its a video driver problem
[06:22] <awag> BigPick, same thing comes up
[06:22] <Gannondorf> So I just need a new driver?
[06:22] <BigPick> Gannondorf: possibly
[06:22] <awag> BigPick, should i try clicking enable on that check box?
[06:22] <sammy> upgrading with the alternate cd is scary, I hear the hdd running but the gui/progress bar hasn't refreshed since it started installing.
[06:23] <BigPick> awag: sure, could do, I was just trying to be uber safe
[06:23] <awag> BigPick, lets be uber safe then, what should i do?
[06:23] <BigPick> Gannondorf: I would recommend googleing for information regarding your video card
[06:24] <BigPick> awag: apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[06:24] <BigPick> awag: I forgot about that package
[06:25] <awag> ok done
[06:25] <BigPick> awag: Sweet, now "sudo rmmod nvidia"
[06:26] <awag> ok, did that, no output
[06:26] <BigPick> kewl, fire up ye old manager again
[06:26] <KingJere> Random Fortune: Dijkstra probably hates me. 	-- Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c
[06:26] <BigPick> if it gives us sass this time just hit enable and go for it
[06:26] <Gannondorf> BigPick: the lines only show up in the Applications menu and in Konversation
[06:27] <BigPick> KingJere: HAHAHA I have that as my email sig :)
[06:27] <awag> BigPick, ok, now it says "not in use"
[06:27] <KingJere> BigPick: I'm just reading the tips page for konversation on line.
[06:27] <awag> BigPick, where it used to say "in use"
[06:27] <awag> BigPick, click the box and try?
[06:28] <BigPick> awag: Yup :)
[06:29]  * KingJere is listening to Only Hope by Switchfoot [Amarok]
[06:29] <BigPick> KingJere: That is literally a comment of Torvalds in the sched.c source file :)
[06:29] <awag> BigPick, that seems like it did something, wants me to restart, brb
[06:29] <KingJere> BigPick: I'll take your word for it. I'm just checkin out features.
[06:30] <BigPick> Gannondorf: I'm really sorry bro, it was two years ago that I experienced those exact same lines on an old laptop I was toying around with.
[06:30] <KingJere> BigPick: Did you know about the OSD feature of Konversation? I just found out five minutes ago.
[06:31] <BigPick> I Just started using Konversation yesterday :P I love it.
[06:31] <KingJere> Sysinfo for 'bigtimer': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDSempron2800+ at 2020 MHz (4044 bogomips), , RAM: 409/883MB, 94 proc's, 52.35min up
[06:31] <KingJere> Will wonders never cease?
[06:31] <Gannondorf> BigPick: That's funny, I'm using an old laptop with a wifi card
[06:32] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Gannondorf: so is there a way to make mozilla look correct?
[06:32] <BigPick> Gannondorf: Would it happen to be a sony vaio?
[06:32] <Gannondorf> YES!
[06:32] <BigPick> Gannondorf: HOLY SHIT!!!
[06:32] <Gannondorf> ZOMG!
[06:32] <BigPick> Gannondorf: Erm... AHAHA
[06:33] <Gannondorf> PCG-9241
[06:33] <BigPick> Hang on... lemme get it out...
[06:35] <awag> BigPick, man i really had a good feeling about that one, but the same exact thing happened as always
[06:35] <BigPick> awag: NOOO!!!
[06:35] <awag> BigPick, sorry to say, but yes... hehe
[06:36] <awag> BigPick, it is a pny verto geforce 6600 256 mb agp, btw
[06:36] <BigPick> awag: can you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old again?
[06:36] <Gannondorf> oh...
[06:36] <trypglyph> I installed kde4base, but it wasn't listed in my session list, what do I need to do?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[06:36] <Gannondorf> !kde
[06:36] <Dr_willis> I aint planning on touching KDE4 for some time. :) heh heh
[06:36] <trypglyph> it's nearly done, why?
[06:36] <BigPick> Gannondorf: God that laptop is only like two years difference from mine :P
[06:36] <awag> BigPick, oh oh oh
[06:36] <trypglyph> btw, your invocations didn't work.
[06:36] <Gannondorf> cool
[06:36] <ChrisAshton84> BigPick: nope, that didn't cause nvidia to be loaded
[06:37] <awag> BigPick, it is giving us an error that makes sense this time
[06:37] <BigPick> awag: yay!
[06:37] <gary_inNYC> kde4 is still in beta isn't it?
[06:37] <trypglyph> yes, but could someone tell me what I need to do?
[06:38] <awag> BigPick, http://pastebin.com/me6ac517 <-- at the bottom there is a bunch of stuff about not having the module loaded or something
[06:38] <awag> BigPick, failed to initialize the kernal module
[06:38] <awag> BigPick, is it possible it doesn't like my card?
[06:39] <trypglyph> hello?
[06:40] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ddcan somebody help me with making mozilla look real
[06:40] <BigPick> awag: No I know the error its talking about, there is a setting in your xorg.conf that controlls how X11 handles screens
[06:41] <BigPick> awag: none of the screen options seem to be working
[06:41] <awag> BigPick, isn't that because it is rejecting the use of the nvidia driver though?
[06:42] <awag> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[06:42] <awag> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system
[06:42] <awag> then after that it complains about the screens
[06:42] <awag> and don't the screens require that the nvidia driver be working?
[06:44] <KingJere> trypglyph: hold on a sec, I'm on to something.
[06:44] <BigPick> awag: It may seem like that at first, but its not. Okay, one more shot at getting this danged conf file to work then I gotta hit the sack.
[06:44] <trypglyph> KingJere, I'm reading a tut.
[06:44] <keekee> my screen keeps going blank every 10 minutes or so while i watch this movie, and i have screensaver turned off
[06:44] <keekee> what does it keep idling like that?
[06:44] <keekee> would anyone know?
[06:44] <awag> BigPick, ok cool, if it doesn't work, will you be online tomorrow to help me some more maybe?
[06:45] <awag> not that i want you to waste your saturday
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Powersaver mode perhaps.
[06:45] <keekee> Dr_willis : i have it set for far longer than 10 minutes
[06:45] <KingJere> trypglyph: I can't vouch for it, but did you see this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591433
[06:45] <Dr_willis> keekee,  i dont recall that issue on my laptop i use at work to watch movies on all the time.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> theres may be some seperate powersaving settings, that blank the screen, and then some that actually power OFF the monitor.
[06:46] <keekee> i have the power save set for 25 minutes
[06:46] <Dr_willis> could be my video player is also smart enough to disable the blanking
[06:47] <keekee> Dr_willis : what do you use?
[06:47] <BigPick> awag: http://pastebin.com/d57b5cef7
[06:47] <keekee> but even that, while i do my homework and such, it blanks
[06:47] <Dr_willis> xine mainly, some timnes vlc
[06:47] <keekee> its irritating
[06:47] <BigPick> awag: I will be on tommorrow too and I will be more than happy to help.
[06:47] <KingJere> keekee: might be worth checking BIOS settings.
[06:47] <keekee> Dr_willis :im using kmplayer
[06:47] <BigPick> awag: I wanna get this working for you.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> actually - i dont recall it doing that on any player on my machine
[06:48] <Dr_willis> id double check the various powersaving/acpi/ settings..
[06:48] <awag> BigPick, ok i'm really greatfull , brb, restarting
[06:48] <keekee> Dr_willis : yeah
[06:48] <keekee> do you think KArm could be responsible?
[06:49] <keekee> i remember changing some of the idle settings
[06:49] <Gannondorf> night all
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. not sure i have eer used karm
[06:50] <KingJere> BigPick: under tips and tricks it says this "Try  /dcc send <nickname> http://www.slashdot.org" what do you suppose that does?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> on my laptop - i DO have some kbattery,klaptop tools programs i may of tweaked
[06:50] <keekee> Dr_willis : KArm is pretty much a worthless program, i was just looking at it
[06:50] <Dr_willis> KingJere,  sould send them a message saying that web site I think.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search kalarm
[06:51] <Dr_willis> kalarm - KDE alarm message, command and email scheduler
[06:51] <Dr_willis> kalarm is handy. :)
[06:51] <KingJere> Dr_willis: Hmm. kinda expected more. If your running Konversation you suppose you could try it at me?
[06:51] <keekee> thanks for the help
[06:52] <Dr_willis> Not using konversation, and i never use dcc stuff
[06:52] <KingJere> anyone?
[06:52] <angelus> !adeptfix
[06:52] <ubot3> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[06:52] <Dr_willis> KingJere,  thers also some lame dcc exploits out. so  id say avoide its ussage
[06:53] <awag> BigPick, nope :(
[06:53] <KingJere> Dr_willis: I'm just reading a Konversation tips and tricks page.
[06:53] <BigPick> awag: Oh man... :(
[06:53] <Dr_willis> KingJere,  the dcc stuff is a way to send messages and other special commands back and forth.
[06:53] <BigPick> Well, we can try again tommorrow. I'm sorry man.
[06:53] <Dr_willis>  thta example seems tobe just a example of dcc chatting with someone
[06:53] <awag> BigPick, ok, thanks man, i'll be here
[06:54] <awag> BigPick, have a good one
[06:54] <BigPick> awag: see you
[06:54] <KingJere> Dr_willis: "You can dcc any link supported by KDE in Konversation. "
[06:55] <KingJere> Dr_willis: thats from the site.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> konversationjust  flags url's and makes them clickable.
[06:55] <KingJere> says I can run "/sysinfo" and it will output it
[06:55] <Dr_willis>  http://whatever.com
[06:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:56] <KingJere> thats why I kinda expected more.
[06:56] <KingJere> Sysinfo for 'bigtimer': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDSempron2800+ at 2020 MHz (4044 bogomips), , RAM: 428/883MB, 91 proc's, 1.17h up
[06:56] <KingJere> or I can run commands like "/cmd date"
[06:56] <KingJere> Sat Oct 27 00:56:51 CDT 2007
[06:57] <Dr_willis>  thers ways to get the output from arbitary commands to appearn in channel
[06:57] <KingJere> sorry its just like a box with a bunch of buttons. I gotta push em all!
[06:57] <Dr_willis>  then /sysinfo is a built in alias - or script  or command would be my guess
[06:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ddcan somebody help me with making mozilla load webpages rights
[06:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> right**
[06:58] <Dr_willis> whats wrong with them?
[06:58] <KingJere> yeah, need a little more info.
[06:59] <awag> anyone else here have an experience getting the nvidia driver to work ?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> awag,  theres the !nvidia factoid/site. i normally just install/run 'restricted-manager'
[07:00] <Dr_willis> i got a 8800gtsXXX here.
[07:01] <KingJere> awag: I'm using nvidia drivers from repos, but I have very limited knowledge.
[07:01] <KingJere> they just kinda . . . worked
[07:02] <awag> ok, brb restarting
[07:03] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ddcan somebody help me with making mozilla load webpages right
[07:04] <Lynoure> AT0M1CB0MB3R: yes, as long as you tell how they load now and how is that not 'right'
[07:05] <Lynoure> AT0M1CB0MB3R: some pages are created for IE only, and the way to get those to load right is to tell the webdesigner he is fired unless he makes them work in Firefox
[07:05] <wOoter> hi
[07:05] <wOoter> can I question an ask ?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> Its also worth while to be sure that you have the ms fonts installed
[07:05] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: maybe give an example of a page thats loading improperly.
[07:05] <Dr_willis> wOoter,  I belive you just did. :) care to ask a  question now? :)
[07:05] <iecsam> hey guys
[07:05] <Lynoure> wOoter: yes, seems you can. Feel free to ask another one, too :)
[07:05] <KingJere> wOoter: just ask
[07:06] <dustin> hello
[07:06] <iecsam> why wont amarok support mp3's
[07:06] <dustin> it does
[07:06] <Lynoure> iecsam: it can, if you get the codec for it
[07:06] <Lynoure> !mp3
[07:06] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:06] <dustin> i just download the codec
[07:07] <Lynoure> dustin: and restarted amarok?
[07:07] <iecsam> well i did
[07:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> KingJere: they load slow
[07:07] <KingJere> iecsam: or perhaps www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:07] <Lynoure> dustin: oh, sorry, wrong nick
[07:07] <iecsam> but everytime i want to play mp3's its installing it all over
[07:07] <iecsam> thanks
[07:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> KingJere: they are all weird and not how they would look in firefox in windows
[07:07] <wOoter> how do I save a wireless profile? I try the options but it never remembers them
[07:08] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: I'm afraid that vague problems often get vague solutions.
[07:09] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: consider trying another browser to see if you can isolate the problem.
[07:09] <Lynoure> AT0M1CB0MB3R: take a screenshot, then give us the url to the screenshot
[07:09] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Are necessary plugins installed etc.
[07:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> KingJere: im guessing how would i knmow
[07:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> know**
[07:10] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: maybe open the same exact webpage in Konqueror and Firefox and compare.
[07:10] <DeadJones> kub 710 is decent
[07:10] <Dr_willis> try the opera browser - is a good one to test with also
[07:11] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ^^^ I second that
[07:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis: is it in repos?
[07:11] <DeadJones> restarted this morning. it came up like usual but quicker
[07:11] <Dr_willis> !find opera
[07:11] <wOoter> 02:05 < wOoter> how do I save a wireless profile? <--- ok that was the question I asked. If anybody can help me let me know, I'll be here waiting.
[07:11] <DeadJones> the 'as usual' .. need to reinstall grub
[07:11] <ubot3> File opera found in apparmor-profiles, crossfire-maps, crossfire-maps-small, debian-edu-config, localization-config
[07:11] <Dr_willis> if not - download it from the opera web site
[07:11] <DeadJones> huh .. opera browser?  nobody uses opera
[07:11] <sub[t]rnl> huminahhuminah
[07:11] <Dr_willis> it was in some of the nonstandard repos..
[07:12] <Dr_willis> DeadJones,   I belive thats an inaccurate statement. :)
[07:12] <DeadJones> ok, 3 ppl use it
[07:12] <KingJere> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Im using feisty with universe and multivers and its there.
[07:12] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[07:12] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:12] <DeadJones> opera has become an overbloated piece of cheese in the past few years
[07:13] <KingJere> i   opera                           - The Opera Web Browser
[07:13] <KingJere> v   opera-static                    -
[07:13] <DeadJones> cant go wrong with seamonkey
[07:13] <KingJere> DeadJones: I respectfully disagree with the overbloat.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera etch non-free
[07:13] <DeadJones> remember when it was new? was a sleek and fast thing. now look at it
[07:14] <Dr_willis> lots of talking and very little actual  facts... :)
[07:14] <DeadJones> gotta go find a nice bottle of wine for sitting and redoing grub :p
[07:14] <KingJere> DeadJones: honestly, Im probably too young to remember.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> use it or not.. dont care really.
[07:14] <wOoter> KingJere: the current state of browsers is bloated GUI shit
[07:15] <KingJere> links2 -g anyone? :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> KingJere,  been there, done that
[07:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <KingJere> if your in a hurry that is
[07:15] <Dr_willis> dillo :)
[07:16] <wOoter> we need a fully ncurses browser option without any GUI dependencies yet complete to browse any site
[07:16] <wOoter> links2 -g fails way short of accetable rendering
[07:16] <wOoter> dillo is even worse
[07:16] <wOoter> dillo deforms ALL websites
[07:16] <KingJere> wOoter: tell me where one is and I'll apt-get it.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> then again i rember that SUN browser in java, and the other one.  NSCA? or whatever it was
[07:17]  * KingJere feeling ignorant
[07:17] <Dr_willis> http://www.seanm.ca/mosaic/
[07:17] <wOoter> KingJere: I am saying there ISN'T, that's the bad part. What we need is a firefox/opera tupe functionality that works at console level with framebuffer
[07:17] <wOoter> KingJere: what are you looking for?
[07:18] <Dr_willis> i always disable my framebuffer. :)
[07:19] <KingJere> wOoter: sounds interesting. But I just don't feel like modern browsers are all that bad.
[07:20] <wOoter> KingJere: if it doesn't fully work at console level, they are useless.
[07:20]  * Dr_willis thinks this 
[07:20] <KingJere> wOoter: so if links2 could display images perhaps in ascii?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> 'debate' has gotten to a 'whatever' point.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:21] <wOoter> what's the obsession of puttin crap gui on browsers? Like with gui makes you cool or something.
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Ascii Youtube video!
[07:21] <KingJere> Dr_willis: the videos would need very desriptive titles.
[07:21] <KingJere> read: synopsis
[07:21] <Dr_willis> some how i got videos playing under mc and the ascii mplayer thing. :)
[07:22] <Dr_willis> i couldent figure how to stop them  however...
[07:22] <KingJere> Dr_willis: was there a good reason or just to say you did. Be honest. :)
[07:22] <wOoter> KingJere: I am not saying this. At console level using framebuffer with ALL options cli based. Not drop down menus. All I am saying is strip all GUI dependencies. Later if someone want to fork it with GUI good for them. But it's gotta start at absolute cli.
[07:23] <wOoter> like mplayer
[07:23]  * KingJere catches on.
[07:23] <Dr_willis> KingJere,  a miss click on my part.. :) it was over a ssh connection even
[07:24] <wOoter> mplayer starts with ALL options in cli. The several ppl made different GUIs but everything starts at cli
[07:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm  http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/flash/speeddial/        --> they have a typo and call it 'speddial' :) heh
[07:24] <wOoter> anyways, I will snatch firefox rendering code and get rid of all GUI
[07:25] <KingJere> wOoter: again forgive my ignorance, but isnt links2 with the -g switch a long way there?
[07:26]  * KingJere installs links2
[07:27] <wOoter> KingJere:  last time I tried it the rendering was awfull all websites broken. And I believed wasn't been updated.
[07:28] <wOoter> KingJere: may be at better html, java, flash rendering to either lynx or links2 would be cool
[07:28] <KingJere> Links 2.1pre26
[07:28] <Dr_willis> the linux framebuffer - is also often needing work in many areas as well.
[07:28] <KingJere> is the current version in the repo
[07:29] <KingJere> whats a good site to test this on?
[07:29] <KingJere> you know lots of flash and java to screw it up?
[07:30] <glad> hi
[07:30] <Dr_willis> !find links
[07:30] <ubot3> Found: drbdlinks, elinks-lite, links, links-ssl, links2 (and 3 others)
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Odd.. Cant even find links2
[07:30] <Dr_willis> !find links2
[07:30] <ubot3> Found: links2
[07:30] <Dr_willis> !info links2
[07:30] <ubot3> links2: Web browser running in both graphics and text mode. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1pre28-1 (gutsy), package size 2056 kB, installed size 3348 kB
[07:31] <wOoter> look I am at www.cnn.com just for the heck of it and background is ugly grey and all everything disorganized out of order
[07:31] <wOoter> let me try youtube
[07:32] <KingJere> youtube. LOL
[07:33] <wOoter> awfull, I will try myspace
[07:33] <KingJere> wOoter: I did youtube too. It looks awful, but you gotta admit it loaded pretty fast. :)
[07:34] <KingJere> credit where credit is due and that sort of thing
[07:34] <wOoter> KingJere: yeah, but that hard is to make it look just like firefox and opera?
[07:35] <wOoter> KingJere: well the fact that doesn't have GUI dependencies is cool and that also makes it fast.
[07:35] <KingJere> wOoter: its probably also not bad using it over ssh with X forwarded.
[07:37] <wOoter> w00t!! it renders NASA picture of the day site perfectly!!
[07:39] <KingJere> wOoter: the reason I started using text browsers was because I was given a laptop that I couldn't get X installed.
[07:39] <wOoter> try this with links2 -g www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/index.html
[07:40] <wOoter> that's what it should do with ALL websites
[07:40] <KingJere> wOoter: WOW
[07:40] <wOoter> KingJere: you see? That's what I am talking about.
[07:41] <KingJere> wOoter: but those folks at nasa are sensitive to people with alternative browsers. Just look at the top center. "Text Only Site"
[07:42] <wOoter> not even slashdot loads right
[07:42]  * KingJere withdraws previous comment.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Its hard to get the flash banner adds just right.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:42] <wOoter> KingJere: mm... may be a lot of employees must log in remotely :)
[07:43] <wOoter> Dr_willis: how about copy'n'paste the code from firefox?
[07:43] <KingJere> wOoter: yeah, from outer freakin' space.
[07:44] <KingJere> wOoter: those dudes browse nasa.gov on their TI calculators.
[07:44] <wOoter> slashdot should be ashame always decrying non-standard stuff and DRM
[07:44] <wOoter> pretty ironix
[07:44] <wOoter> and then their website doesn't render standard
[07:45] <KingJere> I smell a fresh pot of coffee. brb.
[07:46] <wOoter> KingJere: if you like cli and get comfortable with it then GUI, dropdown menus become cumbosome, awkward and like an obstacle
[07:49] <KingJere> wOoter: ironically though I never knew all the things you could do from cli until I learned about them browsing the web in a GUI.
[07:50] <KingJere> I come from an M$ backround. It never would have occured to me that you could browse the web from a kingjere$~>
[07:52] <KingJere> !info yaquake
[07:52] <ubot3> Package yaquake does not exist in gutsy
[07:52] <KingJere> how do you spell it then
[07:53] <KingJere> I found it
[07:53] <hangthedj> !yakuake
[07:53] <ubot3> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 178 kB, installed size 1084 kB
[07:54] <KingJere> thaks wOoter for a renewed respect for the CLI
[07:54]  * KingJere installs yakuake
[07:55] <waylandbill> yakuake is awesome. I use it all the time.
[07:56] <KingJere> waylandbill: I wish you could make it come out from the side instead of hte top
[07:56] <KingJere> *the
[07:56] <CyrilleB> hi
[07:56] <CyrilleB> is there an ubuntu channel where I can get help for creating packages ?
[07:56] <deininger_> wifi
[07:57] <waylandbill> KingJere: program it to do that then. :)
[07:58] <KingJere> waylandbill: sorry. I fall squarely in the category of user. :(
[07:59] <Jucato> CyrilleB: sure! #ubuntu-motu
[07:59] <penba> I am getting no answer in #kde, so; Is it possible to configure KDM for a rotated/vertical monitor? Or maybe a way to run xrandr before kdm fully initializes?
[07:59] <ccshen>  to dystopianray: thank you for your help. i've solved my problem:)
[08:00] <KingJere> penba: kdm displaying sideways?
[08:00] <penba> KingJere: exactly
[08:00] <dystopianray> ccshen: I did?
[08:01] <dystopianray> ccshen: I mean, when did I help you?
[08:01] <ccshen> to  dystopianray: several days ago, you told me how to deal with intel 945 card's problems
[08:01] <CyrilleB> Jucato: thanks
[08:02] <dystopianray> ccshen: oh ok, you finally got it sorted out?
[08:02] <KingJere> penba: what are the chances your using an nvidia card?
[08:02] <Jucato> CyrilleB: and thank you for koffice! :D
[08:02] <penba> KingJere: sorry, i810 here
[08:03] <ccshen> to  dystopianray: yes. i solved it that night. But you were not heve at that time.
[08:03] <KingJere> penba: I only asked because I had just recently read some docs about a similar thing for nvidia cards.
[08:03] <dystopianray> ccshen: what did you do to fix it? usually intel video 'just works'
[08:03] <miket> hi
[08:03] <penba> KingJere: if you could find the docs, they might still help me, or at least guide me in the right direction
[08:04] <KingJere> penba: I'm looking as we speek
[08:04] <ccshen> to  dystopianray: change i810 to intel. you said there is no need to use 915resolution.
[08:04] <penba> KingJere: thanks
[08:04] <KingJere> penba: type er whateber
[08:04] <miket> ive been trying to get a broadcom 4311 working in kubuntu...i used ndiswrapper...it sees the card now, sees networks, but when i try to connect it goes into ad-hoc mode and wont get an ip or anything
[08:04] <miket> any ideas?
[08:05] <KingJere> penba: do you leave it that way (vertical) or do you change it?
[08:06] <penba> KingJere: Its alwasy vertical
[08:06] <KingJere> penba: if its static this may apply -- Option "Rotate"  "left" in the monitor section of xorg.conf.
[08:06] <miket> and also when i try to connect it adds a second iteration of the network in the scan results listing it as ad-hoc
[08:07] <penba> KingJere: yes, I have that but it doesnt affect kdm for some reason.
[08:07] <penba> I will check anyway, give me a sec
[08:07]  * KingJere scratches head
[08:07] <miket> dangit im running out of battery
[08:07]  * penba did a lot of head scratching when setting up sideways screens for ratpoison and fvwm2 :P
[08:09] <ccshen> to  dystopianray: it is you who tell me how to do. I owe an appreciation to you, so  I come here just to say "thank you":)
[08:09] <penba> KingJere: restarting xorg, brb
[08:09] <dystopianray> ccshen: hehe ok then
[08:10] <miket> actually kwifi calls it ou-hoc now
[08:11] <penba> KingJere: yes, it appears to do nothing
[08:11] <miket> i have 9 minutes left
[08:13] <penba> KingJere: i tired with Rotate and XRandrRotate as options, never worked
[08:14] <KingJere> penba: still searching for the answers
[08:14] <penba> KingJere: :)
[08:15] <pramod> i have just installed kubuntu 7.10
[08:16] <pramod> how i use compiz fusion in kubuntu 7.10???
[08:16] <NickPresta> !compiz
[08:16] <ubot3> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:16] <dhdj> where would i go to fix my screen blanking every 5 minutes
[08:17] <pramod> okie thanx
[08:17] <dhdj> screensaver and power save are both off, and its still doing blanking on me
[08:18] <miket_> hooray it works now
[08:18] <miket_> my wireless works!
[08:18] <Mecannotread> guys how do i upgrade from gutsy Rc1 to final release (gutsy
[08:18] <KingJere> penba: you are the only person on the planet with this problem. <optimism>you're unique</optimism>
[08:19] <dystopianray> Mecannotread: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:19] <Mecannotread> dystopianray,  thankx
[08:23] <mikes3> ok a few fixes and 7.10 is going ok :)
[08:23] <miket_> 7.10 is awsome
[08:24] <Lynoure> 7.10 would be ok with hibernate or suspend working
[08:24] <miket_> it does
[08:24] <miket_> on my hp it does >.>
[08:24] <Lynoure> Now it is less than optimal for me, nothing much new
[08:24] <Lynoure> miket_: which hp?
[08:24] <mikes3> mikes3, It has several bugs but ok
[08:24] <miket_> pavilion dv2025nr
[08:24] <Lynoure> I have hp nc8230 and hibernate hangs and suspend just does not recover
[08:25] <hangthedj> on my toshiba it works, but when you turn it back on there is no fan, so it gets hot really, really fast.
[08:26] <Lynoure> hangthedj: pretty much worse than not having it, then, unless you can add as script that restarts your fan
[08:26]  * hangthedj doesn't use hibernate
[08:26] <hangthedj> :)
[08:26] <hangthedj> acpi fan doesn't work with toshiba.
[08:27] <KingJere> penba: check out this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=469496
[08:27] <hangthedj> i mean it works on boot, but you can't control it.
[08:27] <Lynoure> hangthedj: that's a pity.
[08:27] <hangthedj> toshiba hates linux
[08:27] <wOoter> KingJere: still around?
[08:28] <dhdj> where would i go to fix my screen blanking every five minutes, if i have both screensaver and powersave off?
[08:28] <KingJere> wOoter: yup. penba's monitor rotates and its screwin with kdm
[08:28] <mikes3> kcontrol
[08:29] <KingJere> wOoter: 90 degree kdm login screen as it were
[08:29] <wOoter> KingJere: yeah, if you are attracted to cli install Gentoo. It's a great distro to get aquainted with cli. And then follow gentoo wiki guides
[08:30]  * MilesG is just about to download gentoo 2007.0 for a separate computer
[08:31] <mikes3> My boot screen is 1280x800 and my monitor "lcd' runs @ 1024x768?
[08:31] <KingJere> wOoter: I have seriously considered it. I am reading some docs on freebsd too. Please dont' hate me.
[08:31] <wOoter> KingJere: cli isn't taught really around, it's a shame cuase it's cool. But google for cli guides, how tos, tips and tricks for ALL commands in linux.
[08:31] <miket_> woot
[08:32] <KingJere> wOoter: of course you mean  kingjere$~>links2 google.com
[08:32] <KingJere> ;)
[08:32] <MilesG> KingJere: not sure, but i think there is a gentoo version that uses the bsd kernel
[08:32] <mikes3> 7.04 was a better release\
[08:32] <wOoter> KingJere: like you can pipe stuff or edit with :cat<< eof>> filename
[08:32] <mikes3> fewer bugs
[08:33] <mikes3> 7.10 was released a little too early maybe
[08:33] <wOoter>  and bash tricks. It's surprising how simple and direct a simple command can do stuff.
[08:33] <KingJere> wOoter: the comp I'm on dual boots arch linux if that counts for anything.
[08:33] <wOoter> KingJere: http://solid.linux-coders.org/
[08:33] <dvayanu> mikes3: you are absolutely right
[08:34] <mikes3> dvayanu, 7.10 has huge potential,should be sorted and a new iso released
[08:35] <KingJere> wOoter: I have to be flexible. I share this comp with Mrs. kingjere
[08:35] <mikes3> Sidux has been solid and remains my personal choice
[08:35] <MilesG> kde should upgrade kwin to be a kde version of compiz, in my opinion
[08:35] <KingJere> gotta go. the baby is awake. Thats Prince kingjere if you wanna know ;)
[08:36] <mikes3> MilesG, i have an icon in Sidux
[08:36] <mikes3> works well
[08:37] <MilesG> !sidux | MilesG
[08:37] <MilesG> what is sidux?
[08:38] <MilesG> nm
[08:38] <rdvon> who wants to join us online in frozen bubble?
[08:39] <rdvon> we got a couple in the server, but we need more.
[08:39] <miket_> installing
[08:39] <mikes3> MilesG, http://sidux.com/
[08:39] <MilesG> what is a fronzen bubble
[08:39] <rdvon> milesg: search it in synapic, fun game.
[08:39] <rdvon> *adept
[08:39] <miket_> apt-get install frozen-bubble
[08:39] <mikes3> gl-117 is ok :)
[08:40] <MilesG> better than supertux?
[08:40] <rdvon> yeah what miket said.
[08:40] <rdvon> WAY BETTER.
[08:40] <rdvon> ewww @ super tux
[08:40] <rdvon> or wiat.
[08:40] <miket_> meep
[08:40] <rdvon> that's not the 3d racing thing is it?
[08:40] <dhdj> can you still use bit torrent with a proxy enabled?
[08:40] <dhdj> without speed loss?
[08:40] <miket_> ok what server be it then
[08:40] <MilesG> downloading it right now
[08:40] <rdvon> ok
[08:40] <rdvon> it's aeoteroa or something.
[08:41] <rdvon> me and another guy are in it.
[08:41] <rdvon> only occupied server as far as i know
[08:42] <me> hello guys :) Can somebody tell me how to get wine 0.49 for kubuntu 7.10? thanks :)
[08:42] <MilesG> wtf this music sucks
[08:43] <dhdj> can you still use bit torrent if you have a proxy enabled?
[08:43] <dhdj> will it hamper speeds?
[08:44] <MilesG> that game kinda sucks
[08:44] <miket_> lol i havent plaid this in so loing
[08:44] <me>   sorry, i meant "wine 0.47
[08:47] <Jucato> me: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
[08:47] <Jucato> me: for further help with wine, there's a #winehq channel
[08:47] <me> thanks, I'm installing it now! I'm trying to get cinema 4d going if i can :)
[08:48] <me> after adding the repository, i was able to see the version i need :)
[08:48] <Jucato> it won't work with wine 0.46?
[08:48] <me> not as well as with the latest version
[08:48] <Jucato> ok
[08:48] <me> thanks for the help :)
[08:48] <me> ciao :)
[08:50] <chovy> failed to fetch packages when I do distro upgrade
[08:50] <chovy> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[08:50] <chovy> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[08:50] <chovy> been happening for a few days.
[08:50] <jpatrick> cho
[08:50] <jpatrick> chovy: tried to apt-get update?
[08:50] <chovy> jpatrick: yes
[08:51] <Bakkie> wrong sources,list ?
[08:51] <chovy> Bakkie: maybe...how do i check?
[08:51] <jpatrick> !sources
[08:51] <ubot3> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:51] <Bakkie> if you dont know, you didnt change it
[08:51] <Bakkie> so that cant be it
[08:52] <jpatrick> but (s)he wants to check
[08:52] <anto> What do i get best performance from ?? nvidia-glx or the shell script from nvidia.com?
[08:53] <chovy> http://pastie.caboo.se/111463
[08:53] <chovy> Bakkie: the only thing I ever did was enable unsecure/unofficial soruces
[08:53] <vzduch> I don't think it'll make a difference.. but using the script from nvidia.com can produce various pitas when trying to remove it while nvidia-glx is managed by dpkg and can thus be removed w/o any traces if need be
[08:53] <Bakkie> ah ok
[08:54] <jpatrick> chovy: and you want to upgrade to gutsy?
[08:54] <Bakkie> maybe you have to go back to official
[08:54] <chovy> jpatrick: that's what its trying to do.
[08:55] <jpatrick> chovy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42333/
[08:55] <Bakkie> sources.list in /etc/apt
[08:56] <Bakkie> maybe you can copy backup sources.list back
[08:56] <jpatrick> chovy: do "kdesudo kate" and save that file to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:56] <vzduch> jpatrick: s/kdesudo/kdesu/
[08:57] <jpatrick> vzduch: changed in Gutsy, yeah
[08:57] <vzduch> nah, was there in Feisty as well.. and in every other distro I know
[08:57] <Jucato> jpatrick: kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo so it won't matter much :)
[08:57] <Jucato> vzduch: jpatrick meant kdesudo
[08:58] <jpatrick> Jucato: evil :) heh
[08:58] <Jucato> vzduch: kdesudo is different from plain kdesu, but kdesu is symlinked to kdesu so that it won't cause transition problems
[09:00] <miket_> erg?
[09:00] <chovy> this is for 64-bit?
[09:01] <jpatrick> chovy: yes, it'll do that itself
[09:01] <chovy> jpatrick: ok.
[09:01] <jpatrick> any KDE
[09:01] <jpatrick> damn
[09:01] <NickPresta> Can anyone recommend a good, all around, capture card that would work with both GNU+Linux and Windows?
[09:01] <jpatrick> any *KDE* apps anyone would like to see in Hardy?
[09:02] <chovy> jpatrick: that new ide editor for ajax
[09:02] <chovy> apendant or something?
[09:02] <NickPresta> chovy, Aptana
[09:02] <chovy> yes
[09:02] <NickPresta> and I would love to see that too, actually
[09:02] <stamen> hi, please tell me where to read for working HOWTO about installing NVIDIA driver on this new distro 7.10 because I am pissed off now and angry, on the 7.04 all was working, now all is mess
[09:02] <jpatrick> NickPresta, chovy: you got it
[09:03] <stamen> why canonical did so hard about installing video drivers, whyyy
[09:03] <chovy> stamen: i followed the "use ati" instructions :)
[09:03] <vzduch> jpatrick: which version of Audacious ships w/ Gutsy?
[09:03] <stamen> chovy: I am with nvidia
[09:03] <chovy> stamen: sorry. i tried nvidia too many times with little success. ati was no prob.
[09:03] <jpatrick> vzduch: no idea
[09:03] <NickPresta> jpatrick, it isn't specifically a KDE application but yeah, Aptana is great and right now, you can download binaries for it, but a nice repo package would be nice too. :)
[09:04] <chovy> jpatrick: how come with your file i have a ton of updates, but with mine it only tried a distro upgrade?
[09:04] <jpatrick> NickPresta: I'll see what I can do
[09:04] <jpatrick> chovy: mine's special++ ;)
[09:04] <chovy> i had fiesty and yours was gusty
[09:04] <NickPresta> vzduch, the version which comes with Gutsy is 1.3.2, the current stable version
[09:04] <jpatrick> chovy: you wanted to upgrade to gutsy? no?
[09:05] <jpatrick> NickPresta: a 63.1MB zip??
[09:05] <vzduch> NickPresta: good to know they did update it :)
[09:05] <chovy> jpatrick: yeah, is that how? i didn't know i had to modify sources.list to upgrade...figured apept would do it for me.
[09:05] <vzduch> Feisty came w/ 1.2.5 or so
[09:05] <jpatrick> chovy: it should, odd
[09:06] <stamen> so, anyone help
[09:06] <NickPresta> jpatrick, yep, the 63.1MB zip file. Unzip and run - it's nice since it comes with it's own internal updater and plugin installer too
[09:06] <jpatrick> !nvidia
[09:06] <ubot3> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:06] <BEGINNER_IRC> can anyone send me the file /etc/lib/eclipse/startup.jar from Ubuntu 7.10; please
[09:07] <BEGINNER_IRC> can anyone send me the file /usr/lib/eclipse/startup.jar from Ubuntu 7.10; please
[09:07] <stamen> jpatrick: I am doing the same, I am not noob, with installing this drivers, but it is not working
[09:07] <NickPresta> !repeat | BEGINNER_IRC
[09:07] <ubot3> BEGINNER_IRC: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:07] <stamen> after trying to start X, its (EE) about kernel of nvidia, or API mismatch
[09:08] <stamen> or somthing like that
[09:08] <jpatrick> NickPresta: you know, that's almost the size of the kernel
[09:08] <stamen> which wasn't on faisty
[09:08] <NickPresta> jpatrick, heh. Aptana is quite an IDE :P
[09:21] <jpatrick> NickPresta: too big and hard, sorry
[09:22] <Zarin> So I just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and I lost sound, video, SSL libraries required for Pidgin, Adapt Manager no longer works (Keeps saying update failed but using apt-get works fine) and it wanted to delete my nVidia driver. Anyone have any idea what's going on?
[09:26] <vanush__> help, kde-window-decorator keeps on crashing
[09:26] <sub[t]rnl> vanush__: using compiz?
[09:27] <vanush__> yes sub[t]rnl
[09:27] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install emerald
[09:27] <sub[t]rnl> use that for your window decorations
[09:27] <vanush__> how do i change what kde should use, or is it automatic?
[09:27] <sub[t]rnl> once you install emerald, compiz will use that as default
[09:28] <vanush__> do i need to restart x?
[09:28] <sub[t]rnl> indeed
[09:28] <sub[t]rnl> be sure to use compiz --replace when starting
[09:28] <vanush__> how can i get compiz to start automatically? can i edit /etc/rc.local
[09:29] <sub[t]rnl> oh
[09:29] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, to start compiz just add a sym link in your ~/.kde/Autostart/ dir
[09:30] <sub[t]rnl> better yeat, create a file, that has --> compiz --replace
[09:30] <sub[t]rnl> then --> chmod +x file
[09:30] <rockhound> is there a way to get feisty to run on with a ICH9 board? at least the realtek sound device? ALC888 btw
[09:30] <rockhound> hi everyone first of all
[09:32] <vanush> how do i get rid of the red titlebars
[09:32] <vanush> and get back to the blue
[09:32] <vanush> in emerald.
[09:32] <sub[t]rnl> start->settings->emerald theme manager
[09:32] <sub[t]rnl> adjust the window decorations in there
[09:36] <Minnozz> Hi, my internet is acting weird. About 1/4 of the pageloads results in a 'page cannot be found' error. When I refresh (sometimes I have to do it 2~3 times) the page displays just right
[09:36] <Minnozz> Also, KMess disconnects at random. What could be wrong?
[09:37] <vanush> hi, how do I get kubuntu to stop screwing with my nameservers. every time i login i have to edit /etc/resolv.conf to get rid of the wrong nameserver (ip of my router) and type in the new one.
[09:38] <sub[t]rnl> vanush: whats in your /etc/network/interface
[09:39] <vanush> nuthin
[09:39] <vanush> oh
[09:39] <vanush> nothing
[09:39] <vanush> do you mean /etc/network/eth0?
[09:41] <sub[t]rnl> i'm trying to think what could be overwriting your /etc/rsolv.conf
[09:41] <sub[t]rnl> networkmanager should be the only one
[09:42] <sub[t]rnl> bbiab
[09:46] <mikrop> ?
[09:47] <mikrop> amsn or kopeta ?
[09:48] <vanush> are u asking for an opinion on which is better?
[09:49] <mikrop> my amsn old
[09:49] <vanush> aMSN has more features but it is way uglier unless u compile it against a newever version of tcl or something. Kopete is too bloated, I find that emesene is a good balance
[09:54] <Minnozz> What can cause 1/4th of my pageloads in FF to result in 'Unable to connect'?
[09:54] <Minnozz> When I refresh the page loads just fine
[09:57] <vanush> ditch FF
[09:57] <vanush> to isolate problem
[10:07] <engin> hi, adept manager was locked
[10:07] <engin> i just restart, but still in trouble
[10:08] <hangthedj> !fixadept
[10:08] <ubot3> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:08] <ubuntu> hi i am running ubuntu live 1.5 ultimate and i went to start beryl and got a blank white screen i was wondering how to update nvidida drivers i got 8500gt please help
[10:08] <engin> i liked that bot :)
[10:09] <ubuntu> ive have just come from sabayon and need help
[10:18] <KalEl> how can i change the hardware sound mixer for my system?
[10:20] <ksivaji> KalEl kmenu->system setting
[10:21] <mikes3> Why is kcontrol in main menu?
[10:21] <mikes3> ^^^^not
[10:22] <sahin_w> I think because systemsettings the default in kubuntu.
[10:22] <ardchoille> sahin_w: But that's easy to fix.
[10:22] <mikes3> sahin_w, Yes but several things are missing
[10:22] <sahin_w> arcade: Yes, I know.
[10:22] <sahin_w> mikes3: You're right.
[10:22] <ubuntu> i need a nvidia commad to update driver someone please paste will be much appreciated
[10:22] <mikes3> yes added it manually
[10:23] <KalEl> ksivaji: thanks i appreciate your help
[10:23] <mikes3> should be default
[10:23] <KalEl> have been searching for it for a long time!
[10:23] <sahin_w> mikes3: I have to say kcontrol won't be available in KDE4 anymore.
[10:23] <ardchoille> ubuntu: how did you install the nvidia driver?
[10:23] <ubuntu> ive been searching it for long
[10:24] <ubuntu> i havnt got the command it gives me server x prblem tells me to go to nvidia.com and thats just pathetci
[10:24] <sahin_w> mikes3: systemsettings will be the new default. However I use kcontrol a lot.
[10:24] <ardchoille> !nvidia | ubuntu
[10:24] <ubot3> ubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:24] <ubuntu> is there a command that u can paste which will do it for me like and emerge or somrthing
[10:25] <mikes3> sahin_w, I hope it has a comprehensive replacement
[10:25] <sahin_w> mikes3: I hope too.
[10:25] <sahin_w> mikes3: I've open a request for it on launchpad.
[10:26] <mikes3> Gnome takes priority ;(
[10:26] <sahin_w> mikes3: I mean the systemsettings must have the same functionality as kcontrol.
[10:26] <mikes3> yes
[10:26] <mikes3> well said
[10:27] <ardchoille> ubuntu: I'm not going to spoon feed you.. you're better off learning how to do things on your own and reading tutorials.
[10:27] <sahin_w> mikes3: Yes, the gnome is the first class desktop in ubuntu. By the way I prefer KDE and I like Ubuntu.
[10:27] <sahin_w> mikes3: So I use Kubuntu. ;-)
[10:27] <Ahmuck> hi all.  i have a cd that i have burned with k3b.  how do i check the md5sum?
[10:28] <mikes3> ardchoille, I am talking priority ;)
[10:28] <Ahmuck> don't i need a md5sum text to check against?
[10:28] <sahin_w> mikes3: But there are some hopes for KDE too. I'm going to show you some references what I saw...
[10:28] <ubuntu> i have just come from sabayon and just want the driver to see if i like beryl so i can make the change 1 spoon feed couldnt hurt please
[10:28] <ksivaji> is it possible to integrate kget with opera
[10:28] <ardchoille> !nvidia | ubuntu
[10:28] <ubot3> ubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:29] <ubuntu> please ardchoile
[10:29] <mikes3> Sidux is still my personal choice
[10:29] <ardchoille> ubuntu: if you had followed that nvidia tutorial, you would have the driver installed by now.. it's only a couple of commands.
[10:30] <sahin_w> mikes3: So there will be a developer meentin very soon.
[10:30] <sahin_w> mikes3: Here's the agenda: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/
[10:30] <mikes3> Excellent
[10:30] <mikes3> I like 7.10 but it is not totally sorted
[10:30] <Ahmuck> sorted?
[10:30] <sahin_w> mikes3: If you check it you will see some promises... inside. However we have to wait for the decisions.
[10:31] <ubuntu> i did it and it gave me system x error
[10:31] <mikes3> Ahmuck, "bugs"
[10:31] <Ahmuck> bugs?
[10:32] <mikes3> Have you had no probs :)
[10:32] <sahin_w> mikes3: Here's one which is interesting: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-hardy-catchup
[10:32] <alecasa> Ferrara??
[10:32] <sahin_w> mikes3: "Ensure Kubuntu has the same features as Ubuntu."
[10:33] <sahin_w> sahin_w: So I hope Kubuntu will catchup Ubuntu in some terms.
[10:33] <zgmf-x20a> hey all, have a question abt 7.10 release.  whyyy in k menu, and all the subsequent menus to open each entry starts with, for example "_: entries in k-menu: Kopete app name, instant messenger"  how do i fix this!?
[10:34] <mikes3> yes sahin_w  That is why pclos is tops on Distrowatch
[10:34] <mikes3> kde/stable as
[10:34] <mikes3> big update in the next few days
[10:35] <mikes3> compiz-fusion by default
[10:35] <sahin_w> zgmf-x20a: Right clock on the K-menu > Panel Menu > Configure Panel > Menus
[10:35] <sahin_w> zgmf-x20a: There you can choose your prefered way.
[10:36] <ksivaji> is it possible to integrate kget with opera ?
[10:36] <sahin_w> zgmf-x20a: Name only, Name - Description, Description only, ...
[10:36] <zgmf-x20a> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sweet!
[10:36] <zgmf-x20a> sahin_w: thanks man!!!
[10:36] <sahin_w> zgmf-x20a: No problem...
[10:36] <mikes3> sahin_w, 7.10 is good for pclos :)
[10:37] <mikes3> The irony
[10:37] <sahin_w> mikes3: Well, I have no real problem with 7.10. However I don't have experiences with pclos.
[10:38] <Ahmuck> has anybody tried booting the *.iso from fluxbuntu yet?
[10:39] <mikes3> Very impressive sahin_w  and I am pro Debian but there is no denying it is a great distro
[10:39] <sahin_w> mikes3: First I hate dolphin. Now I like it. And I saw the KDE4 version much-much better.
[10:39] <mikes3> great
[10:39] <ksivaji> !kopete
[10:39] <ubot3> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 7550 kB, installed size 21956 kB
[10:39] <mikes3> konqueror is fine
[10:39] <mikes3> y dolphin?
[10:40] <Pramod> when will the Panda3D for Kubuntu 7.10 be released?
[10:41] <Pramod> and i also need skype for kubuntu 7.10
[10:41] <sahin_w> mikes3: Yes. konqueror is fine and my still favorite, but I started the use dolphin for some experience.
[10:41] <mikes3> d/load from skype
[10:41] <sahin_w> mikes3: sorry! So still my favorite.
[10:41] <vanush> what's panda3d?
[10:41] <Pramod> well there is none for the latyest version of Kubuntu
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> Pramod: you could install skype either from skype.com or from !medibuntu
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[10:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[10:42] <Pramod> i was getting the same problem with kopete i downloaded the amsn lol
[10:42] <mikes3> pidgin here
[10:42] <mikes3> and amsn
[10:43] <cptnspoon> Hey all, anyone up for helping me get my nvidia card working? I've been chasing my tail for over a week since updating to Gutsy with this thing!
[10:43] <iecsam> hey guys
[10:44] <iecsam> how do we repair the mp3 function in amarok
[10:46] <Pramod> lol in my Gutsy it got it working fine and detected my nvidia card without any prob... :S
[10:46] <arash> Why isn't ubotu here?
[10:46] <iecsam> i have AMD 64 do u think its the prob
[10:47] <mikes3> ubotu broken as well :)
[10:47] <iecsam> i can play wave files
[10:47] <cptnspoon> Pramod: What nvidia card do you have?
[10:47] <iecsam> mp3 support keeps re-installing eveytime i hit play
[10:47] <arash> iecsam, hmm, do you have 7.10?
[10:48] <iecsam> yes
[10:48] <iecsam> 7.10
[10:48] <iecsam> nVidia im not sure which one
[10:48] <Pramod> i am not being able to play mp3 files on my Amarok... i have Gutsy Gibbon
[10:48] <mikes3> what card?
[10:49] <iecsam> not really sure mike
[10:50] <iecsam> its on suto detec and it works fine with WAV files
[10:51] <arash> does graphics card have anything to do with playing mp3 files????, It sounds ridiculous, but I'm no expert :p
[10:52] <iecsam> mike - how can i fix this
[10:53] <tds> arash, as far as i know, no but i'm sure could interfere with other things if it's incompatible
[10:53] <mikes3> arash, Sounds like a bug ,64 bit system/os ?
[10:53] <iecsam> arash can u watch movie files
[10:54] <Pramod> what library i need to install to play mp3 files?
[10:54] <ksivaji> systemsetting problem http://pastebin.com/f5cb63627
[10:54] <BEGINNER_IRC> has anyone installed Eclipse on Ubuntu 7.10 from package manager, because I need /usr/lib/eclipse/startup.jar (you can send it to me on Konversation)
[10:54] <iecsam> seems like everything is installed on 7.10
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Pramod: with what? vlc? mplayer?
[10:54] <arash> iecsam: yea, but what dos that have to do with anything :p ?
[10:55] <WaltzingAlong> Pramod: oh with amarok. try kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:55] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | Pramod
[10:55] <iecsam> well arash what i think is there is some bug
[10:56] <arash> iecsam: aha, I can play mp3 fine, but I have 7.04
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | iecsam
[10:56] <Pramod> i am currently downloading eclipse right now... lol
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> iecsam: Pramod: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:56] <Pramod> okie
[10:57] <iecsam> ok
[10:58] <WaltzingAlong> that installs some common restricted extras, one of which is amarok mp3
[10:58] <iecsam> oh i c
[10:58] <iecsam> thanks man
[10:58] <WaltzingAlong> cheers! :D
[10:58] <iecsam> dude is that all i have to type
[10:59] <WaltzingAlong> iecsam: you can install it through adept manager too, search for that package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:00] <iecsam> ok trying
[11:00] <iecsam> cuz i did - and it seems installed
[11:00] <iecsam> but then it still says cannot play
[11:00] <WaltzingAlong> iecsam: then you need to close amarok then open amarok again for it to work
[11:01] <cptnspoon> Anyone able to help me access my Windows NTFS partition?
[11:01] <iecsam> it sys some media could not be loaded
[11:02] <cptnspoon> It was running fine under Feisty, no longer there under Gutsy
[11:02] <iecsam> and then installs mp3 support on its on and asks to restart amarok
[11:02] <cptnspoon> I think it TRIED to do it for me cause I do have a /windows/ folder under root but there's nothing in it
[11:02] <iecsam> when i do the process keeps repeating
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> cptnspoon: check kmenu/system settings/advanced / disks and filesystems
[11:02] <tds> cptnspoon, ntfs3g installed? maybe try reinstalling
[11:03] <tds> cptnspoon, may have to check fstab
[11:03] <cptnspoon> WaltzingAlong: I can see the partition, under /dev/sda1
[11:04] <cptnspoon> tds: I have checked my fstab and it says it's pointing to the /windows/ folder but when I try to mount it I get...
[11:04] <cptnspoon> tds: "Failed to access '/dev/hda1': No such file or directory"
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> cptnspoon: you can pastebin your /etc/fstab
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> ok so you see /hda1 vs /sda1   (change the /etc/fstab to sda in place of hda)
[11:05] <iecsam> waltzingalong - there's nothin by that name is adept manager also
[11:05] <cptnspoon> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.ca/751380
[11:05] <cptnspoon> WaltzingAlong:  Ohh...okay, I'll give that a try, guess I missed that
[11:06] <cptnspoon> WaltzingAlong: Thanks, worked like a charm...
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> cptnspoon: but check the file already, it is /windows (and /dev/hda1) but also /media/windows (last line)
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> so you are mounting it in two places now
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> maybe you want that -
[11:08] <cptnspoon> WaltzingAlong: Oh okay, which should I remove? I'm assuming the /media/windows is the new Gutsy autodetect one?
[11:08] <Pramod> how can we play .avi and .mpg movies in Linux?
[11:08] <Pramod> or even .wmv
[11:09] <WaltzingAlong> Pramod: i prefer to use mplayer and vlc; otherwise install kubuntu-restricted-extras and w32codecs (from http://www.medibuntu.org/ )
[11:09] <sergio_> ola
[11:10] <Umm> Hallo all
[11:10] <Pramod> ok... thanx
[11:10] <WaltzingAlong> gruesse
[11:11] <Umm> I need help if anyone can help me. I am using ati card and i want to install so i can have 3d support can anyone help me
[11:12] <WaltzingAlong> Umm: sure thing. using gutsy? try the restricted manager to install the fglrx driver
[11:12] <WaltzingAlong> fglrx ati howto wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide | Umm or check this one for using the uptodate ati/fglrx driver
[11:12] <luigi> no sound on pidgin...........
[11:14] <ardchoille> !bugs
[11:14] <ubot3> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:14] <luigi> no sound pidgin
[11:14] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[11:15] <eagles0513875> how do i remove the kubuntu logo from displaying during start up and instead displaying what is being started up
[11:15] <eagles0513875> !source o matic
[11:15] <ubot3> Factoid source o matic not found
[11:15] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[11:15] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:16] <luigi> no sound pidgin
[11:16] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Remove the word "splash" from your kernel line in menu.lst
[11:16] <eagles0513875> luigi that doesnt say much about ur problem
[11:16] <eagles0513875> thanks ard
[11:17] <luigi> i have kubuntu and i can t hears sound pidgin
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: what directory is it in
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: during the system boot? remove 'splash' and 'quiet' from the boot parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:17] <eagles0513875> luigi: what does sound pidgin mean
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ty WaltzingAlong
[11:17] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Also remove it from the "# defoptions" so it doesn't get restored when you update the kernel
[11:17] <luigi> evry sound pidgin
[11:17] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:17] <eagles0513875> thanks guys
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: so find defoptions= with splash and quiet, remove those two, then run sudo update-grub
[11:18] <luigi> non senti i suoni di pidgin
[11:18] <eagles0513875> !it
[11:18] <ubot3> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:18] <wiki> jjjhjkk
[11:19] <eagles0513875> luigi: solo ingles en este canale
[11:19] <eagles0513875> walts or ard there is no menu.lst in boot/grub
[11:19] <eagles0513875> im not doing duel boot
[11:19] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: bentornato
[11:20] <eagles0513875> windows pissed me off once and for all yesterday so i wiped that piece of junk
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: when i type my root pass it keeps saying permission denied
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: you need to type just your own password
[11:21] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: u mean the one i use to login
[11:21] <iecsam> WaltzingAlong is the Medibuntu package like 37MB - and will the termnal install it
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: correct
[11:22] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: There is no root password, the root account should be locked.
[11:22] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: im typing in the password and for some reason i keep getting permission denied
[11:22] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: im running feisty atm
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> iecsam: you can follow the instructions for adding the medibuntu data to your sources so you can install anything from medibuntu through adept
[11:22] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: There is no root password in Feisty, the root account should be locked.
[11:22] <iecsam> ok
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: caps lock or such? :D
[11:23] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: it is locked
[11:23] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: no caps on
[11:23] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Ok, you are typing in your password? Any errors?
[11:24] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: ya i am logging in no errors
[11:24] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: would i need to update any pkgs and update to the latest kernel
[11:24] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: You mean you get Permission denided when using kdesu and your login password?
[11:24] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: ya
[11:25] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: i dont know whether or not it woudl make a difference if im running the 64bit version of feisty
[11:25] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: I don't know anything about the 64bit version
[11:26] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: in regards to upgrading do i need to add the repositories to my list of repositories to upgrade or do i just go into adept and add the pre release etc
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: should not make a difference about logging in
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: you wish to upgrade to gutsy?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade | eagles0513875
[11:26] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: yes i am
[11:26] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: I don't know, I don't upgrade, I do a fresh install
[11:26] <ardchoille> !upgrade | eagles0513875
[11:26] <ubot3> eagles0513875: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:27] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i ready that but could i also use source o matic to generate the repos and then upgrade
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: you could do that. really all you need to do is change the 'feisty' to 'gutsy' in the sources.list then run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:29] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: That will leave out any apps that are new to Gutsy
[11:29] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong:  ya but according to the upgrade notes u should have all updates applied first then upgrade
[11:30] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: what ard is saying is taht i should keep the feisty repos
[11:30] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: No, that is not what I'm saying
[11:31] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: right so you should also add 'feisty-proposed' then update and upgrade; make sure software-properties-kde is installed then enable prerelease updates through manage repositories in adept manager
[11:31] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: What I am saying is read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[11:31] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: afaik, it's a one button click to upgrade
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> right to upgrade feisty to gutsy it is better to follow the instructions as well as using the recommended upgrade procedure, ie using adept manager then the upgrade tool (but if that crashes, then sudo aptitude -f install && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade)
[11:32] <eagles0513875> kool
[11:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:33] <eagles0513875> windows yesterday decided to be a pain and not let my wifi work as well as my ethernet port
[11:34] <ksivaji> !emacs
[11:34] <ubot3> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[11:34] <eagles0513875> so im like f*** winblows im putting kubuntu on here and not to mention i can use my 64bit processor
[11:34] <eagles0513875> !java
[11:34] <ubot3> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:35] <eagles0513875> what java ide's r available for kubuntu
[11:36] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: apt-cache search java | more
[11:38] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: in the multivers repo is there also the java6 jre
[11:39] <SpoZen> a noob question about the terminal, how do i cd into a directory with ' in the name like example'.example?
[11:40] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Looks like there is  sun-java5-jre and sun-java6-jre in multiverse
[11:41] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: reason i ask is the class im taking we r learning about java6
[11:41] <ardchoille> SpoZen: cd "filder'"
[11:41] <SpoZen> ok thanks
[11:41] <ardchoille> SpoZen: Or type the first few letters of the folder name and hit the tab key
[11:42] <eagles0513875> im getting really pissed off right now lol
[11:43] <eagles0513875> can anyone explain to me why the time for the central european time zone is set to 2 hrs ahead when its actually one hour
[11:43] <Cicci0> hi
[11:43] <Cicci0> ok I did an upgrade to kubuntu 7.10
[11:43] <eagles0513875> how did it go
[11:44] <Cicci0> but now I've got a lot of icons missing... like icon themes is not complete
[11:44] <Cicci0> *theme
[11:44] <eagles0513875> humm im not much help
[11:44] <Cicci0> and this is for quite all icon themes I found...
[11:44] <eagles0513875> i just installed feisty and i am goign to do an upgrade to gutsy
[11:47] <vzduch> eagles0513875: why then didn't you install Gutsy in the 1st place?
[11:48] <eagles0513875> vzduch: cuz i didnt have any internet when i had winblows on here my wifi and wired connections craped out on me
[11:48] <vzduch> eagles0513875: CEST == UTC+2, tomorrow morning from 3 a.m. it'll be UTC+1 again (CET)
[11:48] <eagles0513875> vzduch: but the time right now here is 148
[11:49] <vzduch> then adjust it :P
[11:49] <vzduch> right-click the clock, go to 'Adjust Date and Time' and adjust it
[11:49] <eagles0513875> vzduch: i did lol but its a head ache when i load the live cd it has the right time but once i insall kubuntu and then login its an hr ahead lol
[11:50] <vzduch> well, it's a one-time corrective action, imho nothing to worry about
[11:50] <vzduch> a minor glitch
[11:52] <ralph> test
[11:52] <vzduch> failed :P
[11:52] <ralph> ;)
[11:53] <SpoZen> okay a question aobut samba how do i get write permissons on all folders in one folder? example i have a folder with 3 moore folders in how can i get write permissons on them?
[11:53] <SpoZen> without doing chmod 777 on every folder
[11:54] <eagles0513875> can u use ntfs-3g with samba
[11:54] <SpoZen> yeah i use ntfs 3g with samba
[11:54] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: is it enabled on teh drive that u want rw acess to
[11:56] <SpoZen> yeah i have write acess on every directory i do chmod 777 on but i dont want to do chmod 77 on everything i download
[11:56] <SpoZen> chmod 777 means full acess i think am i right?
[11:56] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: ntfs-3g should give u rw access to where u dont have to do that
[11:56] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: im not sure
[11:57] <SpoZen> the thing is i dont use it on a ntfs-3g disk
[11:57] <SpoZen> its an ext3 disk
[11:57] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: i dont get it
[11:58] <SpoZen> ntfs 3g is used when your disk is formatted with the filessytem called ntfs wich windows uses
[12:00] <eagles0513875> i know but r u using samba to access a ntfs drive
[12:00] <eagles0513875> or a linux fs
[12:01] <SpoZen> its a linux fs
[12:07] <Stilo> anybody know how i can open two windows of adobe acroread?
[12:09] <TameLion> IF you're using kpdf, you can just open the app again
[12:09] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: what were those things i had to remove from grub so that kubuntu doesnt display
[12:09] <TameLion> If you're not; why not? :P
[12:10] <enoj_> Does anyone know how I can get TrueCrypt working with Kubuntu 7.10?
[12:10] <Stilo> i need acroread because the presentation function of kpdf doesnt work with my compiz fusion
[12:10] <eagles0513875> anyone know what i have to remove from menu.lst so i can just see what things are being started up
[12:10] <SpoZen> enoj_: isnt it in the repos?
[12:11] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: r u trying to access another linux machine
[12:11] <SpoZen> otherwise u can just use kgpg
[12:11] <enoj_> SpoZen: E: Package truecrypt has no installation candidate .. when trying apt-get install truecrypt .. I installed the .deb from their site, but then I got: "Failed to load TrueCrypt kernel module"
[12:11] <SpoZen> yeah
[12:11] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: the word "splash"
[12:11] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: then u need to use nfs samba is for use on windows machines
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: and quiet
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: then what was that 2nd thing so with new kernel releases it doesnt come up again
[12:12] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Removing "quiet" will output a LOT of info.. may scroll too fast to make it worthwhile.
[12:12] <jordi_> Hi, I've a question. How do I do to have checkgmail running on the start of my session?
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: sudo update-grub
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> !autostart | jordi_
[12:13] <ubot3> jordi_: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:13] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: thats all i have to do
[12:13] <jordi_> I run Kubuntu 6.06.1 and i've benn looking aroun System Settings but no luck
[12:14] <jordi_> ok ubot3, i'll try
[12:14] <eagles0513875> jordi_: ubotu is a bot btw
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: open /boot/grub/menu.lst           find # defoptions=     remove pieces you do not want (like splash or quiet) or add things you do want, save the file, then sudo update-grub          for those default options to be updated to the boot lines, yes
[12:14] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: ty
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> !info kcontrol-autostart (dapper)
[12:14] <ubot3> kcontrol-autostart: autostart module for KDE control center. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 46 kB, installed size 280 kB
[12:15] <SpoZen> well i installed samba and confiured it but i cant get write acess: like this i have wirte acess to one directory but inside that directory i out downloaded files in directorys but when i want to deletes these from a windows machine i cant
[12:15] <eagles0513875> SpoZen: samba for use to access another linux machine
[12:15] <enoj_> SpoZen: can you create an encrypted device using kgpg? I just want a file of like 100mb that's encrypted with password so I can store some private information
[12:15] <WaltzingAlong> !smb
[12:15] <ubot3> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:15] <eagles0513875> !nfs
[12:15] <ubot3> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:16] <SpoZen> enoj:: u can always try it its like 1mb install
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> enoj_: I know you can with dolphin+kgpg
[12:18] <SpoZen> yeah dolping is installled by default in gutsy
[12:18] <SpoZen> dolphin
[12:18] <pramod> i want to change the default boot system in GRUB... what should i do?
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> pramod: you mean default option?
[12:20] <pramod> yeah
[12:20] <pramod> the default option...
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> pramod: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst...near the top there is a "default option"
[12:20] <ardchoille> Kubuntu already uses grub, doesn't it?
[12:20] <ardchoille> nvm
[12:21] <pramod> yeah...
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: confused? ;-)
[12:21] <ardchoille> It seems
[12:21] <pramod> but the default boot is on Kubuntu... and i want to change it to Windows...
[12:22] <pramod> i think it has something to do with menu.lst file...
[12:22] <pramod> set default saved or something like that
[12:23] <pramod> that is it will highlight Windows by default...
[12:23] <pramod> can anyone plz help me?
[12:24] <kreib> in menu.lst you set which system to boot default
[12:24] <pramod> yeah this is what i want
[12:25] <kreib> then whats the problem?
[12:25] <pramod> i want windows to boot as default...
[12:25] <pramod> what should i do?
[12:25] <kreib> then you add a record to boot windows in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> pramod: if you have the option savedefault then grub will mark as default whichever was booted last
[12:26] <pramod> okie...
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> otherwire just change which one is marked as default
[12:27] <pramod> well this feature is activated by changeing a value 0 to saved or something like that ... i do not really remember...
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> pramod: right it should be    default          0                 where the number (0 in this case) refers to the entry which is to be default; so which is windows in the list?
[12:28] <pramod> okie lemme check
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> 1envy
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> !envy
[12:30] <pramod> i have changed the value 0 to saved...
[12:30] <ubot3> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:30] <pramod> i will restart my pc latr...
[12:30] <pramod> till then thanx
[12:30] <pramod> c ya all latr
[12:30] <PieterK> hi everyone
[12:31] <PieterK> i got a few problems with my Kubuntu. Anyone here has some time to spare to help me out?
[12:32] <pag> !ask | PieterK
[12:32] <ubot3> PieterK: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:32] <HanzZ> hi i was trying to update to gutsy, but it fails on one package, so i removed the package, but now if I run do-release-upgrade, it tells me, that No new release found. how can i 'fix' it?
[12:32] <PieterK> ok cool
[12:32] <maverick_> What the hell is with Gutsy, i can't see wireless connection in knetwork , only wiered connection ?!!
[12:33] <pag> HanzZ, try " sudo dpkg --configure -a " in Konsole
[12:33] <maverick_> but my eth1 (wireless) i can see it and configure it in console
[12:33] <maverick_> any ideas
[12:33] <maverick_> ?!!!!!
[12:34] <PieterK> my 1st problem: my pc won't power down properly. It gives me the bar which goes from left to right and then it just stops.
[12:34] <HanzZ> pag: it didn't print anything
[12:34] <PieterK> It seems to turn off something but i don't know what the hell it is
[12:34] <PieterK> or what it does
[12:35] <pag> PieterK, iirc adding " force-acpi " (or something similiar) to the kernel boot line might solve that - not sure though
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> HanzZ: follow the upgrade instructions on kubuntu.org
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> HanzZ: if the upgrade tool fails at one point, maybe through sudo aptitude -f install && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:35] <PieterK> pag: what is the "boot line"? sorry a linux noob here :s
[12:36] <HanzZ> ok :)
[12:36] <HayaBusa> good morning . is there any graphic program that has Crop function ?
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> HayaBusa: gimp
[12:37] <HayaBusa> thanks.
[12:37] <WaltzingAlong> !info krita
[12:37] <WaltzingAlong> !info gimp
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> PieterK: on thegrub boot menu, select the kernel you want to boot and hit "e"
[12:37] <ubot3> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.3-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 3504 kB, installed size 11392 kB
[12:37] <ubot3> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 4560 kB, installed size 12260 kB
[12:38] <PieterK> nosrednaekim, ok thanks and then what? i can add this line "force acpi"?
[12:38] <PieterK> i guess i'll try that then
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> PieterK: its "force-acpi"
[12:38] <PieterK> ok thanks for the help!
[12:39] <PieterK> i'll be back later for my next question
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:39] <PieterK> see you all! bye
[12:40] <waterpie> hi all
[12:40] <HanzZ> well :) it works after reboot :) thanks for your help
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> hi waterpie
[12:42] <ardchoille> water pie.. is that anything like "soup sandwich"?
[12:42]  * ardchoille ducks
[12:43] <waterpie> since upgrading to 7.10, i have this problem: when i start the comp, a kio_thumbnail starts automatically, that grows quickly to >70% cpu and memory. I have to kill it. Usually it restarts a couple of time, and I kill it. Then it stops, till next reboot. Any ideas?
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> waterpie: do you have a dolphin window open? or large pictures  on your desktop?
[12:43] <waterpie> ardchoille: I don't know anything about "soup sandwich". "Waterpie" is my personal recipe :-)
[12:44] <ardchoille> waterpie: :)
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> getting stuck on some image?
[12:44] <ricardobrown> hello
[12:45] <ricardobrown> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[12:45] <waterpie> nosrednaekim: i use konq, not dolphin. b) i have 3 ~400kb pics on the desktop, 1 ~200MB video. before 7.10, i didn't have this problem
[12:45] <ricardobrown> somebody has a ideea why i get this ?
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> konq or dolphin should not matter
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> waterpie: mightwant to turn off previews of things on desktop
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> ricardobrown: you don'thave permissions to mount that.
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> ricardobrown: ask google
[12:47] <Danmer> why dolphin instead of konqueror? =/
[12:47] <WaltzingAlong> wish to replace dolphin with konqueror? follow the instructions at http://sathyasays.com/?p=23 but the opposite (as the article is how to replace konqueror with dolphin)
[12:47] <ricardobrown> nosrednaekim: but it's my comp how can i get access ?
[12:47] <WaltzingAlong> Danmer: thought to be easier for file management than konqueror for newbies (apparently dolphin in kde4 is much better)
[12:48] <ricardobrown> i use admin mode ?
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> ricardobrown: perform a search for exactly that with google, then follow the directions about fixing it
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> !mount
[12:48] <ubot3> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:48] <Danmer> WaltzingAlong: can i open directory or archive in tab in dolphin?
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> no tabs in dolphin as far as i know
[12:49] <Danmer> that sucks..
[12:49] <waterpie> i moved the video to a folder. it didn't show a preview on the desktop, although it shows a preview in the tooltip, and now in the folder. i'll see if this was the problem. it is a .mp4 from video.google. But I didn't have the problem pre 7.10. Maybe there is a bug somewhere in kio_thumbnail now(?)
[12:49] <KalEl> is there a remote desktop application installed with kde, which i can view in windows using vnc viewer?
[12:50] <Danmer> i don't find konqueror hard to use...
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> waterpie: always possible ;)
[12:51] <wilson_> KalEl: System Sesstings > Sharing
[12:51] <waterpie> i think konqueror is much better than dolphin. I don't want to loose half of my screen real estate in "actions" and "places" that I don't want all the time. and konq is not difficult.
[12:52] <KalEl> wilson_: thanks
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> KalEl: yes. krfb ?
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> wish to replace dolphin with konqueror? follow the instructions at http://sathyasays.com/?p=23 but the opposite (as the article is how to replace konqueror with dolphin) | waterpie
[12:53] <waterpie> now the kio_thumbnail is: 92% cpu 52% mem, with mem climbing ~1% every 1-2 secs. I have 1 gig
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> waterpie: yeah maybe it is getting stuck on some file
[12:54] <waterpie> another one bites the kill -9 :-)
[12:54] <KalEl> everytime i connect with vnc, it asks me if on the server if i want to allow the connection. can i set the default to be yes?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> waterpie: search launchpad for it?
[12:54] <KalEl> please never mind i got it :)
[12:54] <waterpie> WaltzingAlong: i have already changed from dolphin to konq :-)
[12:55] <cptnspoon> hi
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> hi cptnspoon
[12:56] <hydester> hi.  anybody know why firefox on Windows XP on the same laptop dual booting to kubuntu is noticably slower?  i actually notice this at work on an internal network with Fedora vs Windows.  same versions of Firefox on all.  maybe it is firefox, but maybe is a Linux setting?
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> KalEl: yes; also you may look into x11vnc or another vncserver or freenx
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> hydester: my first guess has to do with your router's/gateway's dns service; try bypassing it
[12:57] <cptnspoon> nosrednaekim: ive hijacked my boyfriends computer sorry
[12:57] <hydester> at home both use the 192.168.1.1 gateway
[12:57] <maverick_> knetwork manager won't allow me to setup wireless connection ?!!!!!
[12:57] <maverick_> any ideas
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> cptnspoon: ok..........
[12:57] <maverick_> though i can set it up from the console
[12:57] <hydester> at work i don't use DNS on linux, just a host file
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: what does it do..
[12:58] <ardchoille> hydester: I'd bet it's that POS operating system wannabe that is slow, not firefox.
[12:58] <darth_chatri> i'm trying to get the hang of knetworkmanager
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> ok...here's a question.anyone know of a tutorial to put Linux on an mp3 player.... not BOOTABLE, but like LiveCD
[12:58] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: just wires network , and i can see the eth1 interface enabled when i go to manual configuration in knetwork
[12:58] <darth_chatri> i did a static ip configuration in 'manual configuration'
[12:58] <darth_chatri> and now, i dont get the functionality i was getting earlier
[12:58] <maverick_> nosrednaekim:sis u try SLAX
[12:58] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Not bootable? You mean just data storage?
[12:59] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: DID you try SLAX
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: yeah... like a persistant liveCD
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: I didn't try installing it, no, i'm mostly worried about killing my Mp3 players MBR
[12:59] <darth_chatri> now it doenst auto configure wireless networks like it used to. the tooltip says 'manual configuration'
[13:00] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: well, i guess u can reset ur mp3 player if it got messed up
[13:00] <WaltzingAlong> darth_chatri: remove any eth lines from /etc/network/interfaces then knm can work again
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: you can't see your wireless in knetworkmanager but you can in iwconfig?
[13:00] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: yeah
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: thats an idea ;) I just don't know how to reset it..
[13:00] <waterpie> another problem:
[13:00] <darth_chatri> WaltzingAlong: the manual configuration put them in?
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: do a "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart"
[13:01] <WaltzingAlong> darth_chatri: i suppose so
[13:01] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: done
[13:01] <waterpie> now firefox doesn't care about -ProfileManager. It asks the first time, but after that, it doesn't ask. I can't have >1 profiles active at a time, as before. Any ideas?
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> anything different?
[13:02] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: now it says "battery has been removed" and am now working on the AC directly :D
[13:02] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: no , still the same
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: yeah... powermanager will say that... don't worry
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: huh....
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: IDK... I have knetworkmanager ;)
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> *hate
[13:02] <slow-motion> bye
[13:03] <maverick_> nosrednaekim:it was working while ago
[13:04] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: now it just doesn't, even afte restart
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: huh.... do you have your wireless interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:05] <maverick_> u mean this line "iface eth1 inet dhcp" ???
[13:05] <hydester> it is Windows XP that is fast with Firefox, and Kubuntu/Fedora are both slow with it.
[13:06] <wilson_> i dunno, i just use konqueror now
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: yeah...erase that.
[13:06] <Lynoure> commenting is better
[13:06] <Kobol> Does anyone happen to administer a MySQL database?
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> yes
[13:06] <Lynoure> that way recovery is easier, in case of foobar
[13:07] <Kobol> WaltzingAlong: Oh hey! :) (I spoke to you about WoW via WINE a little while ago.)
[13:07] <darth_chatri> i started NetworkManager again :P
[13:07] <Lynoure> Kobol: just ask, unless you are taking a poll :)
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> greetings. ever get that working?
[13:07] <vzduch> does anyone happen to run VirtualBox?
[13:07] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: then ?
[13:07] <darth_chatri> what is the best way then to set a static n/w config without disrupting network manager?
[13:07] <wilson_> vzdutch: i've used it a bit
[13:07] <maverick_> yaaaaaaaaay
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> through networkmanager ?
[13:07] <maverick_> it worked
[13:08] <maverick_> :d
[13:08] <Kobol> WaltzingAlong: Indeed I did. It runs through Wine, and it's only slightly buggy, just as you said.
[13:08] <vzduch> wilson_: define 'a bit'
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: reboot
[13:08] <wilson_> well i use kvm more
[13:08] <WaltzingAlong> Kobol: some of the interface and video settings can be tweaked for a better experience. search google there are plenty of guides for it
[13:08] <darth_chatri> WaltzingAlong: can i do it through knetworkmanager?
[13:08] <maverick_> nosrednaekim: thnx it showed up now the wireless networks
[13:08] <wilson_> the other day I gave it a go though, seemed ok
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> maverick_: NP
[13:08] <vzduch> wilson_: how was the sound? (if you tried it)
[13:08] <chovy> i restarted and now i can't login
[13:09] <chovy> any ideas? It boots, but the login manager is blank
[13:09] <ardchoille> Hmm.. seems the kopete crash on msn connect bug was fixed.. nice :)
[13:09] <Kobol> Lynoure, WaltzingAlong: I was just wondering if anyone ever encountered a problem using the Linux version of MySQL Admin to connect to a MySQL database on a Windows server. I can't login to mine, I keep getting an error, even when I know the login information is correct.
[13:09] <TameLion_> Is anyone else using Edmax USB Wireless (Ralink 148f:2573) under Gutsy?
[13:09] <wilson_> ahh, didnt try sound, but i assume it would be ok
[13:09] <darth_chatri> WaltzingAlong: how do i do it through NetworkManager? manpage doesnt give much info
[13:09] <WaltzingAlong> Kobol: it may be configured to accept only localhost connections
[13:10] <Kobol> WaltzingAlong: Well I found one, and it works a lot better than when I first tried it :) Oh, and it's not configured only to accept localhost, checked that.
[13:10] <Lynoure> Kobol: oh, I don't run MySQL on Windows servers at all...
[13:10] <wilson_> in kvm u can emulate the es1370 soundcard or the sb16, works fine
[13:10] <vzduch> well, here it's a bit choppy.. getting hiccups in regular intervals (roughly 1 sec), same interval as graphics (e.g. the rolling text in the Audacious 'display') hangs for a fraction of a second
[13:10] <Kobol> Lynoure: Well, believe me: It's not my choice :P Lol I only WORK for the folks who own the server, don't own it myself or it'd all be Linux.
[13:11] <wilson_> what kind of pc do you have ?
[13:11] <Lynoure> Kobol: What do the logs say at windows end?
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> Kobol: ms windows firewall closing the port?
[13:12] <Kobol> Lynoure: That, I have no idea...Because I can't check them >.> Well, I may be able to, I'll have to look.
[13:12] <vzduch> Athlon XP 2400+ (2000 MHz), GF FX5900 w/ 128 MB, 1 GB SDRAM, SB Live! Value and ES1371
[13:12] <Kobol> WaltzingAlong: Well...why would it run fine on Windows through NaviCat and not here? O_o
[13:13] <wilson_> so is the vm sound hanging, or the sound of the host ? are you running virtualbox on windows ?
[13:14] <Lynoure> Kobol: Are you a consultant with too little access? If so, tell them it won't get done if you don't get the access to the logs.
[13:14] <vzduch> only the sound of the virtual box is hanging
[13:14] <vzduch> no problem w/ the host
[13:14] <wilson_> is this a windows host ?
[13:14] <Kobol> Lynoure: Well, not really...I have root access to the database, but the logs are on the box itself.
[13:14] <vzduch> host: Fedora 7 (I know, wrong channel here, but no one's responding there ;)), guest: WinXP
[13:15] <Kobol> Lynoure: And certainly not a consultant since I do bloody everything lol
[13:15] <wilson_> i dunno man, could be alot of things
[13:15] <Lynoure> Kobol: oh. Ironically better access is harder to get for long term work (world is strange)
[13:16] <chovy> help
[13:17] <wilson_> might want to try it with qemu
[13:17] <Kobol> Lynoure: Indeed. Well, at least I was able to say "Root access, or do it yourself." considering I volunteer (I'm not getting paid for my work, mind you.) so they were happy to have me...But I can only work on it in Windows which isn't fun, because I do most everything from here.
[13:17] <wilson_> qemu +kqemu
[13:18] <TameLion_> Is anyone else using Edimax USB Wireless (Ralink 148f:2573) under Gutsy?
[13:20] <Lynoure> Kobol: If you seem to be able to connect the database port, but the login just does not work, it's quite hard to troubleshoot without the logs or access to the server process. But you could tcpdump the traffic to see what's going on, but I don't think it will tell much.
[13:21] <Lynoure> Kobol: tell them to syslog you the mysql log :)
[13:21] <Lynoure> Kobol: that ought to keep your hands somewhat windows-free :)
[13:21] <vzduch> KVM seems to be quite new
[13:22] <Kobol> Lynoure: Well thanks, I'll do that, hopefully I can see the problem and fix it. This has just been such a hassle.
[13:22] <PieterK> Hi everyone!
[13:22] <Lynoure> Kobol: on the upside, at least they are running MySQL, and not something more annoying.
[13:23] <PieterK> question 2: I have a usb stick for wireless lan. It's a Linksys WUSB54Gv4 but i can't get it to work. I tried Ndiswrapper but i'm not sure if kubuntu installed it right or at all. Is there an other program i can use?
[13:23] <wilson_> is it new, it's not as polished as virtualbox
[13:23] <wilson_> has worse I/O
[13:24] <wilson_> but I prefer it because you dont have that bulky GUI
[13:24] <wilson_> and i like testing stuff out
[13:24] <KalEl> can i disable showing the windows in the taskbar for a desktop where they do not exist?
[13:24] <vzduch> imho VMware's gui is even bulkier
[13:25] <Kobol> Lynoure: Indeed.
[13:25] <wilson_> i gave the ose version of virtualbox a go the other day, compiled from source
[13:26] <Kobol> Lynoure: I'm off to real work :P lol thanks for your help :) Ta!
[13:26] <vzduch> as far as I see from the manual it's entirely possible to run it from cmdline
[13:26] <wilson_> seemed solid and fast, just the gui was ugly man, and the host networking didn't work, but that could have been because i had a kernel that was too new
[13:27] <ChaosMachine> I cant use apt-get because its locked, how can I unlock it?
[13:27] <vzduch> here host networking works like a charm w/ default 'NAT' setting
[13:27] <Jucato> !aptfix | ChaosMachine
[13:27] <ubot3> ChaosMachine: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:27] <wilson_> yeah, that's kinda useless to me though
[13:27] <PieterK> Question 2: I have a usb stick for wireless lan. It's a Linksys WUSB54Gv4 but i can't get it to work. I tried Ndiswrapper but i'm not sure if kubuntu installed it right or at all. Is there an other program i can use? Anyone is able to help me with this problem?
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | PieterK : your card is in the list if i recall correctly, follow the guide
[13:29] <ubot3> PieterK : your card is in the list if i recall correctly, follow the guide: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:30] <PieterK> does this also apply to kubuntu?
[13:30] <Moo-> Blah, I upgraded to Gutsy and now kopete won't connect to msn
[13:30] <arcade> Hmm, Got a problem after upgrading to 7.10 - glx was turned off.
[13:30] <arcade> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[13:30] <arcade> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[13:31] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | arcade follow the guide
[13:31] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: huh?
[13:31] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: I'm not asking about compiz, I'm asking about glx.
[13:31] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: glxgears gives that error.
[13:31] <WaltzingAlong> arcade: are you using nvidia ?   sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[13:32] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: ah, i'll try
[13:32] <arcade> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" added to Screen "Default Screen".
[13:32] <arcade> .. that was probably what was missing. :)
[13:33] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Still the same error, after reloading X.
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> arcade: pastebin both the conf and log /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:37] <waterpie> bye all
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> a dopo
[13:38] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Oh, that's where the log is. :)
[13:38] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit | Moo- : check here
[13:38] <ubot3> Malone bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <arcade> dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000043gl
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: That's the relevant part of the log, I guess, and : (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <WaltzingAlong> !ops | trh
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <ubot3> trh: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[13:38] <trh> pidarasi
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <trh> fuck you!!!
[13:38] <Tm_T> nooo
[13:39] <Danmer> hehe
[13:39] <WaltzingAlong> arcade: which driver are you using? using gutsy? using restricted-manager to install the nvidia restricted driver?
[13:39] <Danmer> russian :)
[13:39] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Upgraded from 7.04 -> 7.10, installed the restricted driver in 7.04 ,
[13:39] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Didn't do anything specific when upgraded to 7.10
[13:40] <Moo-> WaltzingAlong: It doesn't crash, it just ask the password over and over again
[13:41] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Hmm, seems to me like I should .. get libglx / nvidia uninstalled and reinstalled, or somesuch.  But how to do that under Ubuntu? :)
[13:43] <sadoff> hi
[13:43] <OrionDude> quick Q: kubuntu is like a "theme" for ubuntu ?
[13:43] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Okay, error found.
[13:43] <Jucato> !kubuntu | OrionDude
[13:43] <ubot3> OrionDude: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[13:44] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: I seem to have installed the nvidia driver from nvidia in 7.04 manually, and forgotten about it.   /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.100.14.11 on my system.  That one lacks a symbol and should probably be corrected to /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.9639
[13:44] <arcade> .. which was installed with 7.10
[13:45] <WaltzingAlong> OrionDude: no. makes more sense for me to think of them as ubuntuG, ubuntuK, ubuntuX
[13:45] <hydrogen> that sounds stupid.
[13:45] <WaltzingAlong> arcade: i see. so now installing through restricted manager to grab the gutsy one?
[13:45] <hydrogen> "I use ubuntug"
[13:45] <hydrogen> "you use what?"
[13:45] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Nono, it's installed, but the symlink is pointing to the old one. :P
[13:45] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: So I just need to update the symlink
[13:45] <WaltzingAlong> all ubuntu but with different front ends and i find it is easier for newcomers to understand
[13:45] <Jucato> hydrogen: ubunt-ugh
[13:45] <hydrogen> right
[13:46] <hydrogen> it still sounds stupider
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> so be it
[13:46] <Tm_T> hydrogen: wow, youre harsh
[13:46] <hydrogen> koobuntoo vs. ubuntuk
[13:46] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: if different "frontends" so then the letters should be at the front right? :)
[13:46] <hydrogen> one flows, the other sounds like your swallowing a bear
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> sure but it changes the name more
[13:46] <hydrogen> now thats a good analogy!
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> ubunu kay
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> or ubuntu with gnome, ubuntu with kde, ubuntu with xfce
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> so all can be referred to as ubuntu
[13:47] <hydrogen> thanks!
[13:47] <Jucato> ...
[13:47] <hydrogen> anyways
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> or the faq for kubuntu in the topic points to a faq for ubuntu
[13:47] <hydrogen> I need to get going
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> *but i am using kubuntu* yes but it is ubuntu
[13:47] <hydrogen> how about just calling all three ubuntu
[13:47] <hydrogen> and being done with it.
[13:47] <Jucato> "I'm using Foresight", yet but it is ubuntu....
[13:48] <hydrogen> "I'm using cocaine', yes, but it is ubuntu!
[13:48] <sadoff> hi can someone help me? I have a problems with my mp3 player
[13:48] <hydrogen> jucato can.
[13:48]  * hydrogen runs away
[13:48] <hydrogen> back alter!
[13:48] <Jucato> sadoff: what problem?
[13:48]  * Danmer wonders if kubuntu will be satisfactory replacement of gentoo for him...
[13:49] <Jucato> Danmer: depends on what your needs/wants are
[13:49] <Jucato> different distros for different needs, people, and preferences :D
[13:50] <Jucato> sadoff: please keep the questions in here. thanks
[13:50] <ardchoille> Danmer: I agree. It's always good to run a distro for a few weeks and see if it will be good for the user.
[13:51] <arcade> WaltzingAlong: Thanks for the pointer to the logfile.  :-)  Updated a couple of more symlinks, and now it works
[13:51] <OrionDude> i am looking for a pop3 mail server for my ubuntu ... was told to get courier .. but i cannot find it anywhere .. anyone got directions for me ?
[13:51] <sadoff> Jucato  I cant connect it correctly When i write on it something it cannot plays when i disconnect it
[13:51] <Jucato> anyone else available, please ^^^^
[13:51]  * Jucato is going away
[13:51] <sadoff> Jucato and if i connet it once again there is nothing on it but spase is used whith something
[13:52] <sadoff> someone can help me whith that??
[13:53] <sadoff> maybe someone knows where i can find an answer??
[13:55] <sadoff> anyone alive??
[13:55]  * OrionDude died
[13:55] <arash> sadoff, oh me, me! I'm alive!
[13:55] <sadoff> did you read what i wrote/?
[13:57] <arash> sadoff, no the first message i saw since joining this channel was "anyone alive??"
[13:57] <sadoff> *)
[13:57] <spykedtomato> hey all
[13:57] <eagles0513875> sup
[13:57] <spykedtomato> how can I get the clock to stop showing me what timezone i'm in?
[13:58] <spykedtomato> i KNOW where I am... lol
[13:58] <ubuntu> good morning, are there any gotchas to installing gibbon on a vista machine to get dual booting to work?
[13:58] <arash> spykedtomato - looooooool ,tried setting options by rightclicking, that should work, Im not sure though
[13:58] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[13:58] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[13:59] <arash> ubuntu , 'gotchas' ?
[13:59] <sadoff>  I cant connect it correctly When i write on it something it cannot plays when i disconnect it it is empty but space is used whith something
[13:59] <spykedtomato> arash: been there done that - i can't find out where in the settings its listed....
[13:59] <ubuntu> arash: any problems or does it generally just work?
[13:59] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: i heard u have to install the other os u wanna duel boot with then install vista
[13:59] <arash> ubuntu: Well, you must have Windows installed first
[13:59] <arash> ubuntu: well not must, but elseway it'll be trouble witht he loader
[13:59] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: tried installing linux after vista ended up with problems
[13:59] <ubuntu> arash: it's a dell box that came with vista home pre-installed
[14:00] <arash> eagles05123875 , oh, am I wrong??? :(
[14:00] <Jucato> !grub
[14:00] <ubot3> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:00] <jari> hey
[14:00] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i just learned something new
[14:00] <Jucato> eagles0513875: dunno wrt to vista, but the general advice is other OS first, Kubuntu after
[14:01] <eagles0513875> Jucato: how is it though when i did it the other way round i actually ended up with problems with vista
[14:01] <arash> ubuntu: Yea, i have one as well, maybe not dell :p. Well, as I said, no problem will be in case you installed Vista first (or is installed
[14:01] <ubuntu> arash: THANKS!
[14:01] <sadoff> have anyone experience whith formating mp3 players?
[14:01] <Jucato> sadoff: have you installed Kubuntu Restricted Extras (kubuntu-restricted-extras)
[14:01] <arash> ubuntu: one question, how are the disk(s) partitioned, this is important
[14:02] <sadoff> what is it?
[14:02] <ubuntu> arash: one partitition... i was going to use the vista tool to repartition
[14:02] <sadoff> Jucato?
[14:02] <maverick__> guys, how to uninstall a package that's been compiled from source???
[14:02] <Jucato> sadoff: if will install the codecs for MP3, Java, and Flash
[14:02] <arash> ubuntu: thumbs up, remember that you also need a swap partition that is at least bigger than your ram size
[14:02] <sadoff> no ididnt explain you well
[14:02] <Jucato> maverick__: hopefully you haven't deleted the directory where you ran "make" and "make install". go to that directory and run "make uninstall" (or "sudo make uninstall")
[14:03] <arash> ubuntu: but that can be done when installing from Live-CD
[14:03] <ubuntu> arash: thanks once again
[14:03] <Jucato> sadoff: probably. ok I'm gone. ask others
[14:03] <ubuntu> arash: i'm on the live CD right now... about to pull the trigger
[14:03] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[14:03] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:03] <sadoff> flash player - usb player
[14:03] <maverick__> Jucato: i didn't yet it doesn't uninstall it
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: u getting rid of windows all together
[14:03] <arash> ubuntu: yea, I recommend decreasing size of partition form Windows
[14:03] <OrionDude> i am looking for a pop3 mail server for my ubuntu ... was told to get courier .. but i cannot find it anywhere .. anyone got directions for me ?
[14:03] <maverick__> Jucato: make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[14:03] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: no, keeping vista
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: ahhh ok
[14:04] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: my other machines are kubuntu only
[14:04] <Jucato> maverick__: are you in the directory where you ran make? (the build or source directory)?
[14:04] <Jucato> er.. /me is gone
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: was goign to say if u were goign to use only linux y not get a dell linux box that has kubuntu installed on it already
[14:04] <sadoff> need instruction how to format usb flash player
[14:05] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: technically speaking it's not my machine :-) but she has agreed to dual booting so I can help with support issues
[14:05] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: she??
[14:05] <sadoff> i cant do it 2 days
[14:05] <maverick__> Jucato: yeah
[14:05] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: is it a work machine
[14:05] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: wife's machine
[14:06] <eagles0513875> anyone know what could be causing sig 11 in kopete
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: kool
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: i hate winblows
[14:06] <Moo-> Could someone tell me what is udevd and why it's taking 60% of cpu
[14:06] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: ditto but it's not entirely my decision
[14:06] <ubuntu> anyway, i'm out... thanks guys
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: good luck
[14:06] <arash> ubuntu: well, try both alternatices (vista and Kubuntu), but remember that you got a vista already configured when you bought, so it has already some things fixed
[14:07] <eagles0513875> arash where is the source repo list
[14:07] <sadoff>  need instruction how to format usb flash player!!!
[14:07] <eagles0513875> if im doing an upgrade from feisty to gutsy andi add teh gutsy repos do i delete the feisty ones
[14:07] <arash> eagles0513875: hmm, Im no expert in these things :p, don't you mean
[14:07] <jari> hey, can some one help me with recording in KRec? I try to use microphone
[14:08] <sadoff> have someone any ideas??
[14:08] <Danmer> sadoff: what fs is there?
[14:08] <contrast83> eagles0513875: /etc/apt
[14:08] <eagles0513875> contrast83: try
[14:08] <nvivo> Hi... Can anyone please tell me how can I set an environment variable for my user?
[14:08] <eagles0513875> contrast83: ty*
[14:08] <contrast83> nrp
[14:08] <contrast83> :-)
[14:08] <sadoff> whatdo umean??
[14:08] <eagles0513875> contrast83: lil rusty been a while since i touched kubuntu
[14:08] <eagles0513875> sadoff: file system
[14:08] <nvivo> I need to set WINEPREFIX to something else.. tried to export on .bash_profile, on .profile.. with no luck
[14:08] <sadoff> fat 16
[14:09] <contrast83> eagles0513875: what other distro did you use?
[14:09] <arash> eagles0513875: are you supposed to do that manually???, hmm well sounds strange, i've not migrated yet though
[14:09] <Danmer> sadoff: for example my powerman xl-850 has fat
[14:09] <Danmer> fat32
[14:09] <eagles0513875> contrast83: winblows but i had an interesting problem develop yesterday no wifi or ethernet connection
[14:09] <eagles0513875> arash: u can if u dont want to have to stay downloading the iso and all that
[14:09] <eagles0513875> arash take a look at this
[14:10] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[14:10] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:10] <eagles0513875> arash: that site generates the code to access the repos
[14:10] <eagles0513875> even for feisty there are some additional repos
[14:10] <nvivo> nobody?
[14:10] <sadoff> i  checked to use fat 16 vfat and fat 32
[14:11] <sadoff> nothing works
[14:11] <contrast83> nvivo: What's the line you're putting in .profile that's not working?
[14:11] <sadoff> i mean i tryed
[14:11] <nvivo> WINEPREFIX=/path
[14:12] <arash> eagles0513875: meh, wait for someone who knows more than me to answer...
[14:12] <contrast83> Hrmm... Seems like that should be good. I'm not sure, TBH. You might ask in #wine.
[14:12] <nvivo> thanks..
[14:12] <eagles0513875> arash: im goign to try my luck
[14:13] <OrionDude> i am looking for a pop3 mail server for my ubuntu ... was told to get courier .. but i cannot find it anywhere .. anyone got directions for me ?
[14:13] <contrast83> np
[14:13] <eagles0513875> arash: i can always restore the backup i have or reinstall feisty lol i dont have anything on here
[14:13] <arash> OrionDude, are you aware this is Kubuntu channel, not Ubuntu?
[14:14] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing wish me luck
[14:14]  * arash wishes eagle luck
[14:15] <eagles0513875> arash: so far so good
[14:15] <OrionDude> arash: yes i am ... but as far as i know Kubuntu = ubuntu with a shell (kinda) .. and courier should work on kubuntu also .. right?
[14:16] <sadoff> }=))
[14:17] <kvnxp> quien habla español ?
[14:17] <arash> OrionDude: Well, I can tell Ubuntu channel has more users, so you might get help faster there, there is no reason to ask here unless you actually use Kubuntu, but you can ask at both places ;)
[14:17] <arash> !es | kvnxp
[14:17] <ubot3> kvnxp: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[14:17] <sadoff> а по русски никто не говорит?
[14:18] <eagles0513875> !ru |sadoff
[14:18] <arash> !ru | sadoff
[14:18] <ubot3> sadoff: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:18] <arash> :p
[14:18] <spykedtomato> my clock will NOT show the date, even though I've checked it in the settings- can anyone help?
[14:19] <OrionDude> arash: i did ask in ubuntu also .... for some time now without any response ...
[14:19] <arash> OrionDude: ah, I do that too :), well, it makes sense to ask at both places :)
[14:20] <OrionDude> i really need a pop3 mail server installed ... but i really lack the (mental) ability to use ubuntu server so i need the desktop version ...
[14:20] <spykedtomato> nobody? :(
[14:21] <eagles0513875> spykedtomato: what version are you using
[14:21] <spykedtomato>   gutsy
[14:21] <eagles0513875> interesting ill let u know once i upgrade to it lol
[14:21] <spykedtomato> before the upgrade it was working fine
[14:22] <eagles0513875> spykedtomato: im running feisty atm and its fine
[14:22] <spykedtomato> it was fine on my feisty too
[14:22] <spykedtomato> but now... no date display in the clock :(
[14:23] <spykedtomato> i've googled until my fingers bled
[14:23] <spykedtomato> ubuntuforums too
[14:23] <ardchoille> spykedtomato: have you logged out and back in? Have you restarted the panel?
[14:23] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: would restarting the x help
[14:24] <ardchoille> if he restarted xorg, then that should be enough
[14:24] <spykedtomato> ardchoille: i just restarted x - wouldn't that also restart the panel?
[14:24] <ardchoille> yes
[14:24] <ardchoille> spykedtomato: try removing the clock applet and adding it back
[14:25] <spykedtomato> ok... 2 secs
[14:26] <spykedtomato> seems to have worked  -  the fonts are bonked but i have a date
[14:26] <ardchoille> fix the fonts and you should be good
[14:26] <eagles0513875> im back
[14:26] <spykedtomato> yep thanks
[14:26] <ardchoille> yw
[14:27] <MilhousePunkRock> !aptfix
[14:27] <ubot3> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:27] <eagles0513875> how does one add the gpu key so that i dont get any error message or have any errors when it comes to fetchign updates
[14:27] <eagles0513875> !gpu
[14:27] <ubot3> Factoid gpu not found
[14:28] <contrast83> eagles0513875: What error messages are you getting?
[14:28] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: the missing key should be posted at the repo somewhere. Ex. when I added the medibuntu repo, the website posted the key with instructions on how to add it
[14:28] <contrast83> Oh, you mean gpg.
[14:29] <eagles0513875> contrast83: ya thats what i mean
[14:29] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: which repo?
[14:29] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[14:29] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:30] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: the supported and community supported pkgs as well as the backports
[14:30] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Those keys should have been added during the install
[14:30] <nvivo> Please, can anyone tell me where is the best place to set user environment variables?
[14:30] <ardchoille> Or is this an upgrade?
[14:30] <eagles0513875> i am upgrading from feisty
[14:30] <ardchoille> ok
[14:31] <arash> wait a second, who the hell is this ubot3 dude? What happend to ubotu?
[14:31] <eagles0513875> arash: was wondering the same thing
[14:31] <eagles0513875> and what happened then to ubot2 and ubot 1 lol
[14:31] <ardchoille> ubotu has been fragile lately, so I think they're using ubot3 in its place temporarily
[14:31] <eagles0513875> poor ubotu
[14:31] <nvivo> anyone?
[14:32] <ardchoille> nvivo: ~/.bashrc
[14:32] <ardchoille> !repos
[14:32] <ubot3> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[14:32] <eagles0513875> ?
[14:33] <nvivo> .bashrc is not loaded by KDE
[14:33] <ardchoille> ah, true
[14:33] <nvivo> I need a place where I can set an environment variable for the entire session, not only for bash
[14:33] <eagles0513875> anyone have a link or a simple how to to add gpg keys
[14:33] <nvivo> I can't believe how hard it is to set an env variable.. :-)
[14:34] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: I'm looking for it now
[14:34] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: ty. are there any bugs out for feisty and kopete
[14:34] <eagles0513875> cuz for some reason when  i have it sign into my accounts like yahoo and msn it crashes with a signal 11
[14:35] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: There was a bug that made kopete crash when signing into msn
[14:35] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: one way through the adept manager
[14:35] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: but with gutsy
[14:35] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[14:35] <ubot3> Malone bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[14:35] <tekteen> I have been having problems installing kubuntu on qemu. The installer can not find the cd (although qemu does boot from it). By the way I am using the alternative cd although I tried the live one too. Can anyone help?
[14:35] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: This page seems to have some info about repo keys: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SecureApt?highlight=%28repo+key%29
[14:36] <eagles0513875> this happened after i added yahoo protocol
[14:36] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: I removed all accounts in kopete, added them back one-by-one with msn the last one I added and I don't see that bug anymore.
[14:37] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: ill try it out or ill just get pidgin
[14:37] <eagles0513875> one problem at a time here lol
[14:37] <ardchoille> lol
[14:37] <eagles0513875> atm im taking on too many things at once
[14:37] <eagles0513875> after this i still have to install wine and alot of other programs
[14:37] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: if you are part way through an upgrade, some packages may not work
[14:37] <eagles0513875> get my opengl up and running wiht my piece of shit card
[14:38] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: what u mean
[14:38] <eagles0513875> ohhhh wait i get what ur saying
[14:38] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: which video card?
[14:38] <eagles0513875> ati radeon 200m
[14:38] <eagles0513875> i have a wiki on how to enable it
[14:38] <ardchoille> lol, no comment
[14:38] <eagles0513875> go ahead and comment i know its a piece of shit
[14:38] <tekteen> I have been having problems installing kubuntu on qemu. The installer can not find the cd (although qemu does boot from it). By the way I am using the alternative cd although I tried the live one too. Can anyone help?
[14:38] <eagles0513875> *language |eagles0513875
[14:38] <ardchoille> haha
[14:39] <eagles0513875> tekteen: what is qemu
[14:39] <WaltzingAlong> !info qemu
[14:39] <ubot3> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-2ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4097 kB, installed size 10668 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm armeb armel s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[14:39] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: then my next headache is getting my broadcom wifi to work at school
[14:39] <eagles0513875> im goign to have to try the qemu
[14:39] <tekteen> it has been
[14:39] <tekteen> great
[14:40] <steevc> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to Gutsy, but it's hanging on configuring libjpeg62. Any suggestions?
[14:40] <tekteen> It stopped working when I upgraded
[14:40] <stamen> who can help me to solve the problem with nvidia drivers in 7.10
[14:40] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: which problem?
[14:40] <eagles0513875> tekteen: have u tried installing it after
[14:41] <tekteen> after what
[14:41] <tekteen> ???
[14:41] <eagles0513875> after installing kubuntu
[14:41] <tekteen> yes
[14:41] <stamen> when I Installed them with restricted manager the KDE can't satrt
[14:41] <stamen> start
[14:41] <tekteen> I did a fresh install then installed it
[14:41] <eagles0513875> humm i dunno
[14:41] <tekteen> then it did not work
[14:41] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: check the log on why; less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:41] <stamen> and gives diferent versions with the kernel
[14:42] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing with this upgrade
[14:42] <eagles0513875> wish me luck lol
[14:43] <stamen> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.com/d79ab932
[14:43] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[14:43] <ubot3> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: so remove any reference to nvidia through adept then install through the restricted manager
[14:44] <erjon> ciao a tutti italian suport link ?
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> !it | erjon
[14:44] <ubot3> erjon: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:44] <stamen> WaltzingAlong: ok, I will try now
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: but the 'nv' driver is the open source nvidia driver and that one works now, no?
[14:45] <stamen> WaltzingAlong: I am using it now
[14:45] <stamen> but I need 3D
[14:45] <stamen> nv can't work with it
[14:45] <stamen> I think
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: sure so we can get the nvidia (restricted) one on there
[14:46] <steevc> so any suggesting on what to do with a hanging upgrade?
[14:46] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[14:46] <ubot3> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:46] <stamen> yes, but on this version of kubuntu appears this problem like mine
[14:46] <erjon> thank's
[14:46] <stamen> and this happens if you install it with fresh copy
[14:46] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: can u tell me why i have duplicates
[14:47] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42353/
[14:47] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: otherwise install the latest/greatest nvidia driver?
[14:47] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia | stamen
[14:47] <ubot3> stamen: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:48] <eagles0513875> steevc: im wondering if its a bug give me some time to see if i have that issue as well
[14:48] <stamen> WaltzingAlong: I am trying to install this one with 100... somthing
[14:49] <stamen> it is the latest driver there, and as I sawed whne I try to install the nvidia-glx-new it is the same
[14:49] <steevc> eagles0513875: thanks
[14:49] <stamen> and the problem appears again and it is the same
[14:49] <eagles0513875> steevc: no prob what version r u up grading from
[14:50] <eagles0513875> steevc: u running feisty or an older version
[14:50] <stamen> the nvidia kernel is with diferent version from the driver and wants to be with same versions
[14:50] <stamen> on kubuntu 7.04 there was no problem with the drivers till now
[14:50] <steevc> eagles0513875: going from Feisty
[14:50] <eagles0513875> steevc: same here
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: so how are you installing? either manual or through repos
[14:50] <eagles0513875> steevc: did u follow the link at the top right
[14:51] <stamen> and I don't know why with every new release there is aways problems
[14:51] <stamen> WaltzingAlong: from both ways
[14:51] <stamen> I tried only with the one of the drivers ofcourse
[14:51] <stamen> and from the both ways, the same errors
[14:51] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: doesnt he need the blacklist the one thats causing the problem
[14:52] <steevc> eagles0513875: I used the upgrade thing in Adept. did you mean the announcements link?
[14:52] <eagles0513875> steevc: ya the one here in konversation
[14:52] <stamen> eagles0513875: from the default in /etc/defaults ?
[14:52] <eagles0513875> stamen: u have to do that in the xorg.conf
[14:52] <eagles0513875> thats where i did mine and it worked
[14:52] <stamen> what I have to change there
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: ok so one way or the other. if you do the manual way then you need to blacklist the one that comes in the repos
[14:53] <stamen> ant please tell me waht to do to make work all again
[14:53] <stamen> tell me ho to do that
[14:53] <eagles0513875> i have a wiki for my ati card but that should point u in the right direction
[14:53] <stamen> because I get mad with this drivers
[14:53] <eagles0513875> r u tryign to get ur open gl to work
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: follow this: it points out about getting the kernel version conflict: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[14:53] <eagles0513875> stamen: u think u have it bad i have it really bad
[14:54] <stamen> ok
[14:54] <stamen> :)
[14:54] <WaltzingAlong> stamen: check troubleshooting toward the bottom
[14:54] <stamen> ok
[14:56] <eagles0513875> stamen: i have to get my open gl to work and have to do some modification of the x server2ndly i have a pain in the but wifi card a broadcom
[14:56] <eagles0513875> then i have to get wine and setup all my windows programs on it
[14:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:57] <stamen> eagles0513875: uauuu, realy big trouble
[14:57] <stamen> and a lot of work
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: bcm43xx? not really a terrible issue any longer. wine? ah, step by step
[14:57] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: what u mean bout the bcm43xx r u talking bout that reverse engineered driver thats out there
[14:58] <patricio> on gutsy gibbon: kopete crashes on me upon the msn login with a SIGSEV 11
[14:58] <eagles0513875> stamen: this is for an ati card. they have fglrx not sure what nvidia is i think its glx or something not sure
[14:58] <MilhousePunkRock> patricio: There is a fix for it, hang on
[14:58] <eagles0513875> stamen: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[14:58] <patricio> Minataku: okay
[14:58] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[14:58] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:58] <patricio> MilhousePunkRock: ok
[14:59] <eagles0513875> sweetness a repository for wine
[14:59] <MilhousePunkRock> patricio: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[14:59] <eagles0513875> and i had the wrong version i needed the 64bit repositories
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit | patricio
[14:59] <ubot3> Malone bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[15:00] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: 'ati' is the open source driver for ati cards. 'fglrx' is the restricted driver for ati cards
[15:00] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: in that link why do i black list the one that comes with the kernel
[15:01] <eagles0513875> who do i report repo errors to
[15:01] <stamen> eagles0513875: I will read the link
[15:01] <eagles0513875> stamen: if u need anything explained let me know
[15:02] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: if you want to install the latest from ati then you need to blacklist the one loaded with ubuntu restricted (otherwise they conflict)
[15:02] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: if you just install the one provided in the repos then no need to blacklist
[15:02] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i follow the one in that wiki that i let stamen see
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: for broadcom wifi and gutsy, the bcm43xx may be the driver you want to use
[15:03] <eagles0513875> ive tried that in edgy and feisty but had to use ndiswrapper
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> fglrx ati howto wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide | eagles0513875 if you want to install the lastest but it also shows how to install the one in the repos
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: time to try again with bcm43xx and gutsy
[15:04] <eagles0513875> did they add that reverse engineered bcm43xx driver
[15:04] <jimmacdonald> WaltzingAlong: That is the driver I use on my Dell and it works just fine.
[15:04] <eagles0513875> if thats the case im goign to be so happy
[15:04] <eagles0513875> cuz when i started using linux with suse 9.0 i had realy headaches with it
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: the bcm43xx with gutsy has worked well on all machines on which i have used it
[15:04] <sonic> anyone else have kde 4 strigi and Soprano installed from a fresh gusty install?
[15:05] <sonic> did they backport these?
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> sonic: gutsy comes with strigi
[15:06] <sonic> what about soprano?
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info libsoprano4 | sonic, can be installed, it seems
[15:06] <ubot3> sonic, can be installed, it seems: libsoprano4: Qt4 interface to RDF storage. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.95.0~beta2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 516 kB, installed size 1828 kB
[15:06] <eagles0513875> i just learned something new
[15:07] <julius> How do i disable Kubuntu's memory of last opened applications?
[15:07] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: any problems with the 64bit version
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> julius: where is that?
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: with wine? with fglrx? with bcm43xx?
[15:07] <eagles0513875> time to finish the upgrade
[15:07] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: ya
[15:08] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: just so i am aware of them and dont go wanting to kill thsi laptop lol
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: the headaches to encounter with 64bit desktop os? lack of java plugin or flash plugin
[15:08] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: they use the 32 bit
[15:08] <eagles0513875> pkg
[15:08] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[15:08] <ubot3> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[15:09] <julius> WaltzingAlong: if i have Konversation open and shut the PC down it automatically comes back up when i restart
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: right there are ways to get them on there as 32bit, but i meant 3d and wine and such should not be the headaches
[15:09] <sonic> WaltzingAlong: im only asking because the installed version was too old and gave me errors when compiling kde4 kdebase svn
[15:09] <julius> its actually nifty in somecases however when i have mutliple tmp files open or i am viewing many remote directories in konquer it gets tiring to close all the error messages :p
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> julius: ok so kde is restoring the lession. kmenu/system settings/advance/session manager
[15:10] <julius> cheers
[15:10] <WaltzingAlong> session*
[15:10] <julius> while i am hear, how do i get the compiz-fusion stuff setup
[15:10] <julius> !compiz-fusion
[15:10] <ubot3> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:10] <julius> will that guide work well for gutsy?
[15:10] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i wish that direct rendering woudl be enabled out of the box u know what im saying
[15:11] <julius> actually i should check if i am still using VESA drivers lol
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: right. gutsy should make it easy with the restricted manager
[15:11] <dystopianray> does anyone have a wg511v2?
[15:11] <julius> i think it works
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ : julius: yes it works for gutsy. also check the wiki for compiz-fusion
[15:12] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i hope so
[15:12] <patricio> WaltzingAlong: The kdelibs-fix from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+bug/153500 did not solve my problem, msn is still crashing kopete upon login
[15:12] <ubot3> Malone bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[15:12] <dystopianray> patricio: the fix is in gutsy-updates too
[15:12] <julius> do you guys have any neato superkarambara files?
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> gutsy-proposed or updates already?
[15:12] <dystopianray> gutsy-updates
[15:13] <dystopianray> along with a second fix
[15:13] <dystopianray> that is not for kopete
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> patricio: ok so with software-properties-kde installed, enable the updates listed in adept manager / manage repositories / updates
[15:14] <sonic> well then for anyone interesting in compiling kde 4 from svn, you have to remove libsoprano4 or you will get build errors
[15:14] <sonic> FYI
[15:15] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: another thing i have noticed with 64bit version of kubuntu quicker start up times and the internet is a whole lot faster
[15:15] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: how is it faster?
[15:15] <patricio> WaltzingAlong: okay, I'll do that
[15:17] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: compared to winblows it is lol with 64bit i know there rnt alot of apps that take advantage of it but dude it allows for some sick multitasking
[15:17] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: in regards to internet im getting quicker download speeds
[15:17] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: compared with ms's 64bit windows xp?
[15:17] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: dont get me started with that piece of crap
[15:18] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: any game i would play on my desktop would cause my whole system to lock up
[15:18] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: if i tried to put it on here its hard to get driver support for it
[15:18] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: i find your claim highly dubious
[15:18] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: claim in what regard
[15:19] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: about higher download speeds
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> 64bit firefox vs 32bit firefox and noticeably faster downloads
[15:19] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: im saying using cli to download updated pkgs
[15:19] <arash> waltzingalong , is 64bit faster?
[15:19] <eagles0513875> average download speed in 32bit winblows bout 111k
[15:19] <eagles0513875> arash: of course it is ur taking double the amount of data lol
[15:20] <wilson__> dribble dribble
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: i doubt it
[15:20] <eagles0513875> arash: do u have a 64bit processor
[15:20] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: ?
[15:20] <arash> eagles0513875: yea, I think so, at least it says AMD 64 :p
[15:20] <dystopianray> i have one
[15:20] <eagles0513875> arash: get the 64bit version of gutsy
[15:20] <waylandbill> I doubt it would be a device driver issue. It'd be slowed by the system being busy doing something else.
[15:20] <eagles0513875> u too dystopianray
[15:20] <dystopianray> i found that 64-bit was a tiny bit slower
[15:20] <arash> eagles0513875: The live CD wouldn't start, elseway I would used it
[15:20] <wilson__> is there a 64 bit flash plugin for linux ?
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> wilson__: from adobe, no not yet
[15:21] <dystopianray> wilson__: no, but you can use nspluginwrapper
[15:21] <SpoZen> does anyone here know how to generate a new cupsd.conf file?
[15:21] <wilson__> hrm
[15:21] <eagles0513875> arash: did u use the alternate or the one meant for 64bit processors
[15:21] <wilson__> what about java
[15:21] <eagles0513875> wilson__: i just use the 32bit flash wiht no problems
[15:22] <eagles0513875> wilson__: i still need to set that up j/w r u a java programmer
[15:22] <wilson__> yeah but I don't realy want to have two browsers
[15:22] <dystopianray> i am a java programmer
[15:22] <eagles0513875> wilson u wont need 2
[15:22] <eagles0513875> i just use firefox
[15:22] <wilson__> but i'm in love with konqueror
[15:22] <dystopianray> wilson__: nspluginwrapper uses a 64-bit browser
[15:22] <wilson__> hahaha
[15:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:22] <dystopianray> i also love konqueror
[15:22] <arash> eagles0513875: I did use Live CD, 64 bit version, wouldnt start, screen went black after it finished loading for first time in Live CD
[15:22] <eagles0513875> wilson__: can i ask u something about java
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> !info nspluginwrapper
[15:22] <ubot3> Package nspluginwrapper does not exist in gutsy
[15:23] <dystopianray> i thought it did exist?
[15:23] <eagles0513875> arash: what system u running it on desktop or lap
[15:23] <arash> eagles0513875: desktop
[15:23] <eagles0513875> arash: what make custom or hp or what
[15:23] <wilson__> i'm not a java guru, i just have heard that java on 64 linux has been a problem
[15:23] <dystopianray> there is no 64-bit browser plugin for java
[15:23] <eagles0513875> wilson__: ill let u know
[15:24] <dystopianray> but i believe nspluginwrapper does work with java
[15:24] <arash> eagles0513875: It's a HP computer, it had Vista on it, some junk my dad bought...
[15:24] <eagles0513875> arash: did u do a completely clean install
[15:24] <WaltzingAlong> http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5432079  ?
[15:24] <wilson__> well, the easy thing for me is I can run 64 bit guests with kvm
[15:24] <arash> eagles0513875: I didnt install, since the Live CD didn't come to the desktop after the loading
[15:24] <wilson__> even though the host is 32 bit
[15:24] <waylandbill> eagles0513875: I imagine he just booted the liveCD
[15:25] <wilson__> so i'll test it out
[15:25] <dystopianray> wilson__: how can that work?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> arash: have u tried it with feisty
[15:25] <arash> eagles0513875: it was feisty CD yea, but I did not order 64bit gutsy this time
[15:26] <eagles0513875> arash: what video card is in it
[15:26] <karadas74> hi
[15:26] <zigonick> sudo apt-get install firefox is not working? how can i install firefox on Kubuntu?
[15:27] <ubuntu_> Hello
[15:27] <arash> eagles0513875: Nvida 8800 or whatever it is called
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> zigonick: sudo aptitude install firefox    what happens instead?
[15:27] <ubuntu_> Has anyone tried to have kubuntu on usb key ?
[15:27] <eagles0513875> arash: 512mb card or 768
[15:27] <ubuntu_> my syslinux.cfg seems to have problem with keywords not recognized
[15:27] <VousDeux> is there somewhere else to report bugs for kubuntu besides bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ because I have bug reports on there that are several months old and nobody has ever responded and the status has never changed
[15:27] <zigonick> 09:02] <jrib> zigonick: the other thing you could do is pass  --print-uris  to apt get and that will give you a list of URLs to download.  Then use some download program at work, come home, copy to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[15:28] <arash> eagles0513875: eh,, motherboard? no idea
[15:28] <zigonick> blah
[15:28] <eagles0513875> ubuntu_: nope but that would be rather kool but u would need an extremely portable version though and small. try damn small linux its only 50mb
[15:28] <zigonick> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another source
[15:28] <eagles0513875> arash: lol
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: #kubuntu-devel ?
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> zigonick: aptitude search firefox
[15:28] <arash> eagles0513875: for some reason my dad don't show me the system information papers, probably he doens't like me dealing with linux or something :p
[15:28] <eagles0513875> r u on it right now
[15:29] <eagles0513875> arash: u on it atm
[15:29] <dystopianray> VousDeux: file it upstream if possible
[15:29] <dystopianray> VousDeux: what bugs are they?
[15:29] <arash> eagles0513875: what?
[15:29] <eagles0513875> arash: u on that desktop atm or another desktop or laptop cuz i can help u find out the specs lol
[15:29] <arash> eagles0513875: aha, yea, I am, 7.04 kubuntu
[15:30] <VousDeux> dystopianray: several bugs related to my wifi, touch pad and power management
[15:30] <dystopianray> VousDeux: did you offer a patch to fix them?
[15:30] <eagles0513875> arash: right click then on my computer and hit properties that should bring up a box that has all ur system specs and what type of os and all that
[15:30] <zigonick> i   mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb    - Mozilla Firefox English language/region pa, I get that, and when i type sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb I get mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb is already the newest version.
[15:30] <VousDeux> dystopianray: if I knew how to fix them, I wouldn't need any help
[15:30] <wilson__> dystopianray: actually i might be wrong about that 64 bit on a 32 bit host thing, my bad
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> zigonick: pastebin your sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:31] <arash> eagles0513875: my computer?? where?
[15:31] <dystopianray> wilson__: i know you can run 32-bit guest in 64-bit host
[15:31] <eagles0513875> arash: on that hp desktop lol
[15:31] <arash> eagles0513875: Im not on windows, So where is hte 'my computer'?
[15:31] <ChaosMachine> arash, hes talking about a windows machine..
[15:31] <eagles0513875> arash: oh lol
[15:32] <eagles0513875> is it possible on 64bit machine u get quicker speeds when downloading
[15:32] <ChaosMachine> arash, what 'specs' are you trying to get, and for what?
[15:32] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: have you had the 32bit on there?
[15:32] <VousDeux> dystopianray: I'm not a developer, I'm just trying to be a user, but I can't seem to get any help getting things to work
[15:32] <wilson__> eagles0513875: no
[15:32] <zigonick> http://pastebin.ca/751526
[15:32] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: yes takes a lil bit longer to start up
[15:33] <eagles0513875> and alot more sluggish
[15:33] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: ok and the downloads via firefox?
[15:33] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: no cli
[15:33] <dystopianray> sometimes the bugs go unanswered for a long time
[15:33] <arash> ChaosMachine: I dont wanna :p, for some reason eagle want to know my computer parts :p.
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ill check that out once the updates r done downloading ill be back a lil bit later im goign ot watch some tv and take a nap
[15:33] <ChaosMachine> arash, oh, interesting...x.x
[15:33] <eagles0513875> arash: lol
[15:33] <eagles0513875> :p
[15:33] <arash> ChaosMachine: howecer, Is there any easy way to find out what hardware you have?
[15:33] <frojnd> I have a problem. I can connect to an open network but I cann't connect to a network that require a key. I set everything IPs dns key but still can't connect to a network. Any suggestions?
[15:34] <frojnd> ofcaurse it's wireless
[15:34] <dystopianray> frojnd: you need a password to access an encrypted networks
[15:34] <eagles0513875> arash: lol
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ill be back in about 40min
[15:35] <arash> me too. Dinner iz ready, well actually lunch XD
[15:35] <VousDeux> dystopianray: well, I'm just trying to find out where the best place to get help is, because so far I have not had much luck in here or by submitting bug reports
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: :D you can enable lots of repos through adept or check the file i will send back via pastebin  http://pastebin.ca/751527
[15:35] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i figured it out
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> zigonick: (i meant) :D you can enable lots of repos through adept or check the file i will send back via pastebin  http://pastebin.ca/751527
[15:35] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i figured out what the problem was
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: what was it?
[15:36] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: how are you attempting to connect?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: in source omatic if u enable the sources the backports source list and the supported and community supported repos source list and the backports one r exactly the same so i was copying 2 of the same things
[15:36] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: which help? some is on your shoulders to do - like bug reports but also searching here and the ubuntu help pages
[15:36] <eagles0513875> speaking off i should email the guy and let him know lol
[15:36] <erjon> kubuntu suport ita ?
[15:36] <VousDeux> someday, it would be nice to actually be able to use my new computer, but unless I can get the hardware working it's pretty useless
[15:37] <eagles0513875> !it |erjon
[15:37] <ubot3> erjon: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> erjon: si
[15:37] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, I know I need password
[15:37] <erjon> ok thank's
[15:37] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, but it still doesn't work
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> yes thanks and next?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> frojnd: is this ur own personal wifi network
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: what do you see? how are you attempting to connect?
[15:37] <erjon> i go in italian suport now
[15:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:37] <eagles0513875> if u speak english lol ur more then wlelcome to stay here
[15:38] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: its nice to see the ladies getting involved
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> erjon: va bene. a dopo
[15:38] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, when wirless is on romaing mode I see: router and than I have to put in key
[15:38] <TimS> how can I change the root password?
[15:38] <KalEl> chess program for kubuntu?
[15:38] <eagles0513875> nickserv identify 623xvnqh48
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> !root | tims
[15:38] <ubot3> tims: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[15:38] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, but It can't be roaming mode since I have to set IPs...
[15:38] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: I have done tons of research, and I have filed bug reports, but I just don't seem to be getting anywhere...I just wanted to know if there is somewhere else I should be looking for help
[15:38] <eagles0513875> frojnd: what kind of router is is it a linksys
[15:39] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: I mean,t how do I change the sudo password
[15:39] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: which problems? the urls of the bug reports? which one should we tackle first
[15:39] <eagles0513875> TimS: sudo pwd
[15:39] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, it's linksyy
[15:39] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: sudo asks for your own password
[15:39] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, it's linksys
[15:39] <joerack> Hello! can you help me ? I'm getting a "Hal storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000" while trying to mount my ntfs drive
[15:39] <eagles0513875> frojnd: go into it enable dhcp and u can also see what the key is in there as well
[15:39] <VousDeux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/149214
[15:39] <ubot3> Malone bug 149214 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[Gutsy] Intel 4965AGN wireless connection dies" [Undecided,New]
[15:39] <eagles0513875> joerack: hey thats an easy fix
[15:39] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: Does it?
[15:40] <TimS> I swear it doesnt
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: yes. there is no 'root' in ubuntu
[15:40] <joerack> It's my first time eith kubuntu after 2 weeks of ubuntu
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> (well there can be but it is disabled)
[15:40] <joerack> ubuntu just worked...
[15:40] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: So if I change my password, it will change sudos correct?
[15:40] <eagles0513875> joerack: ok
[15:40] <zigonick> WaltzingAlong: I updated that paste bin to my sourlist, and still didnt work
[15:40] <eagles0513875> joerack: is this an external drive ur trying to connect to or another partition on the same machine
[15:41] <eagles0513875> joerack: ?
[15:41] <joerack> eagles0513875: it's my second sata drive
[15:41] <VousDeux> If I could just get one problem solved at a time, it would be nice, but for the past several weeks I just keep spinning my wheels
[15:41] <joerack> took a while to write your nick lol
[15:41] <WaltzingAlong> zigonick: after modifying the sources.list at /etc/apt/sources.list  the update (sudo aptitude update) then aptitude search firefox
[15:41] <eagles0513875> joerack: hit tab next time lol brings up the name of the last person who talked to ya
[15:42] <nosredna_ekim> !tab | joerack
[15:42] <ubot3> joerack: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: have you attempted a newer version of the module you describe?
[15:42] <eagles0513875> joerack: so open up the command line and type sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[15:42] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: how do I know if there is a newer version...I have applied all updates
[15:42] <frojnd> eagles0513875, yes it's linksys
[15:43] <joerack> eagles0513875: i'm afraid that ntfs3g is already installed i checked on synaptec, however i'll do it
[15:43] <joerack> ops adept
[15:43] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: not one available in the repos but one you compile yourself?
[15:43] <eagles0513875> joerack: if its installed
[15:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, i set to dns...
[15:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, still I can't connect
[15:43] <eagles0513875> frojnd: dns is just the domain name server its not what gives u ip addresses u need to enable dhcp
[15:43] <KalEl> how do i know where a particular program is running from when i type it on Konsole?
[15:43] <eagles0513875> joerack: then u have to go into the fstab and add -3g to where it says ntfs
[15:43] <WaltzingAlong> KalEl: how do you mean?
[15:44] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: i mean a more recent version of iwlwifi ?
[15:44] <frojnd> eagles0513875, sorry I meant dhcp server
[15:44] <WaltzingAlong> KalEl: if you just type a command name? it can be coming from anywhere in the PATH
[15:44] <eagles0513875> frojnd: waht u could do is completely reset the router and then set it up from scratch
[15:44] <eagles0513875> joerack: does what i said make any sense
[15:44] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: is there a document that explains what you are talking about?
[15:45] <KalEl> WaltzingAlong: yeah exactly... i meant can i know where exactly from path? for example, if i type say "gnuchess" can i know which is the first match resolved, from where it is running
[15:45] <KalEl> thanks
[15:45] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi ?
[15:46] <joerack> eagles0513875: yes, I have to add a line to /etc/fstab
[15:46] <eagles0513875> joerack: yep that should do it for ya
[15:46] <eagles0513875> joerack: then just unmount it the remount the drive
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> KalEl: you can type export to see the path in konsole; you can specific the filename with full path if you want /usr/bin/programname
[15:46] <TimS> Jucato: I have a problem. When I launch konqueror via the CLI with Kdesu Konqueror, even if I dont put in a password or put the wrong one in, I still have root access
[15:46] <joerack> just looking for the repository of gedit
[15:46] <eagles0513875> joerack: lol u might need to enable the rest of the repos
[15:47] <eagles0513875> joerack: fyi kde is a better desktop lol. and better developed gnome is still in its infancy
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: there is a known issue with kdesu (kdesudo is attempting to address that). also recall that there is a 15minute default timeout for sudo
[15:47] <fulat2k> hi folks, i recently upgraded to gutsy from feisty.  however, kaffeine somehow stopped working.  i installed the metapackage kubuntu-restricted-extras.  any idea what's wrong?
[15:47] <joerack> yep
[15:47] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: I remember trying this stuff a couple of months ago...at that time it wouldn't work because the kernel did not support the mac80211 thing
[15:48] <eagles0513875> joerack: holla if u need anything else
[15:48] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: did u do an upgrade or clean install
[15:48] <fulat2k> eagles0513875: upgrade
[15:48] <joerack> the reason I snobbed Kde,was the adept Gui : looked complicated, but at a second glance looks more functional, ok thanks
[15:48] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: humm
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: i see. perhaps your card works better with the more recent version. something to try like you did some months ago
[15:48] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: however, I think somebody did something because an update later at least the wifi started working
[15:48] <eagles0513875> joerack: u can also download stuff and search for packages using the cli
[15:48] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: So anyone could have full root access by launching Konqueror with kdesu
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> joerack: there are others too
[15:49] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: i dont know what to tell ya im actually in teh middle of upgrading as we speak
[15:49] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: u wanna know what else i love about kubuntu
[15:49] <fulat2k> eagles0513875: in feisty, i installed the packages specified in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: not necessarily, i think one would have to have typed it correctly at least once
[15:49] <TimS> !changepassword
[15:49] <ubot3> Factoid changepassword not found
[15:49] <TimS> Hmm, okay.
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: you want to change your own password? run passwd from konsole
[15:50] <TimS> I changed it under usermanagement and I am not sure if thats how it was supposed to be done
[15:50] <TimS> But it worked
[15:50] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: humm i dont know what to tell ya
[15:50] <eagles0513875> TimS: u can change passwords that way or using cli
[15:50] <TimS> Okay
[15:50] <TimS> Thanks eagles0513875 and WaltzingAlong
[15:50] <fulat2k> eagles0513875: it's alrite.  just trying my luck ;P
[15:51] <eagles0513875> TimS: no prob
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: ok so this particular issue seems to be kernel/module related, not a quick fix for me ;)
[15:51] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: trust me im not much luckier
[15:51] <eagles0513875> fulat2k: have alot to install and configure
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: yes why else
[15:51] <eagles0513875> im smoking through downloading these updates
[15:52] <VousDeux> WaltzingAlong: that's the problem...everything that needs to be fixed is way over my head, and I can't find anyone to help
[15:52] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: cuz the powermanagement is so much better then the one in winblows
[15:52] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: my battery last bout 1hr half in winblows this bout 2 2and half
[15:53] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: yeah i noticed that too with my laptop and i think it mostly has to do with the great memory management of linux - very very rarely swapping to disk (though ms windows on my machine would do it on boot and love to use swap in place of my RAM)
[15:53] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: lol
[15:53] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: ur using 32bit right or 64
[15:53] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: 2.5 hours is a really short time
[15:53] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: i have an athlon 64 3200+
[15:54] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: in a laptop?
[15:54] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: yep
[15:54] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: only 32bit hardware now.
[15:54] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: compaq pesario r4000 series
[15:54] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: also have u noticed that it doesnt take as long as windows to load up
[15:54] <VousDeux> all I want to know is if there are any help-related resources I may not be aware of
[15:54] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: i have this same kinda processor in my desktop
[15:55] <eagles0513875> VousDeux: try this forum www.overclock.net free to sign up and the have a linux section
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: seems to me that ms windows xp was showing the desktop a bit faster but was not usable for several minutes yet whereas with how i have kubuntu, when i see the desktop i can use it
[15:55] <ubuntu_> hi i am on live cd on kubuntu i cant find compiz fusion anywhere,,?
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> !help
[15:55] <ubot3> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:55] <eagles0513875> ya same here
[15:55] <dystopianray> ubuntu_: kubuntu does not have it
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | ubuntu_
[15:56] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: for me its the other way around i am not sure if its me going from 32 bit to 64 or what
[15:56] <eagles0513875> or its just me having alot of ram
[15:56] <ubuntu_> wat bout normal ubuntu does that have it installed and enabled
[15:56] <dystopianray> ubuntu_: normal ubuntu will enable it by default
[15:56] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: i would say i see the desktop about the same just with ms windows i need to wait a bunch yet whereas with kubuntu it is ready for me then
[15:56] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:57] <eagles0513875> how much ram u use on average when the system first loads i use around 256 out o my 1.25 gb
[15:57] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: better to use as much as possible
[15:57] <erjon__> hi can everyone tell me how i can install compiz  in kubuntu
[15:58] <maverick_> guys i've just installed gutsy, and as i did in feisty i installed all the multimedia codecs the same way...but whenever i play music it's distorted..so distorted...any ideas ?!!
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: compiz was written with gnome in mind. kde4 will have similar effects so not so much effort into getting compiz-fusion with kde 3.5.x (and there have been stability issues and such with kde3.5 and compiz - so it was not installed/enabled by default)
[15:58] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: i get about 180MB
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | erjon__ if you can follow these instructions ...
[15:58] <eagles0513875> dystopianray: nice
[15:58] <dystopianray> maverick_: decrease the volume
[15:59] <maverick_> i did decrease PCM to 60 %
[15:59] <maverick_> dystopianray
[15:59] <eagles0513875> have u guys heard or seen the article that the newer nvidia cards and drivers boost performance by 50-90%
[16:00] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: which article?
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> VousDeux: wiki.ubuntu.com and other sources like ubuntuforums and such
[16:00] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: you'er probably thinking of AMD
[16:00] <Thonolan> hello i use Feisty Fawn ..after a broken upgrade to gutsy i cant use arts or alsa
[16:00] <eagles0513875> no of their ati card
[16:00] <eagles0513875> s
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> Thonolan: what do you see of sudo aptitude -f install
[16:00] <Thonolan> i have installed alsa -base
[16:00] <Thonolan> WaltzingAlong: one sek
[16:01] <fbvxcbvxc> кто может помочь со спутниковым каналом?
[16:01] <WaltzingAlong> !ru | fbvxcbvxc
[16:01] <ubot3> fbvxcbvxc: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[16:01] <eagles0513875> !ru
[16:01] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i've just found something that annoys the heck out of me
[16:02] <gotico34> hi all
[16:02] <gotico34> whit copile a program in kubuntu?
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> !gcc
[16:02] <ubot3> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[16:02] <Daisuke_Ido> why WHY did they go from using mountpoints to kioslaves for storage media?
[16:02] <Thonolan> WaltzingAlong:
[16:02] <Daisuke_Ido> this is one of those dumb dolphin things, i can tell
[16:02] <Thonolan> Die folgenden Pakete werden automatisch zurückgehalten:
[16:03] <Thonolan>   libpng12-dev libssl-dev
[16:03] <Thonolan> Die folgenden Pakete werden zurückgehalten:
[16:03] <eagles0513875> i cant find the article
[16:03] <Thonolan>   bsdutils firefox libnspr4 libnss3 libpng12-0 libssl0.9.8 mount
[16:03] <Thonolan>   mozilla-thunderbird openssl util-linux util-linux-locales
[16:03] <Thonolan> 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 0 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 13 nicht aktualisiert.
[16:03] <Thonolan> Muss 0B an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 0B zusätzlich belegt sein.
[16:03] <Thonolan> dietrich@dietrich-desktop:~$
[16:03] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:03] <eagles0513875> !pastebin |Thonolan
[16:03] <ubot3> Thonolan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:03] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | Thonolan
[16:03] <Daisuke_Ido> !de | Thonolan
[16:03] <ubot3> Thonolan: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> Thonolan: was moechtest du?
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: howdy
[16:04] <joerack> eagles0513875: could you check my fstab? my drive (sdb1) is completely missing and don't know how to add http://pastebin.com/m525c350
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Ido: you can still use mountpoints
[16:04] <Daisuke_Ido> WaltzingAlong: but it doesn't by default, and that breaks things
[16:04] <BluesKaj> hey WaltzingAlong ...which is your default browser ?
[16:05] <Daisuke_Ido> k9copy for instance
[16:05] <Thonolan> sorry people for the flood
[16:05] <maverick__> something else...now the sound is fixed...but why does the volume slider doesn't affect the volume...only the PCM slider affects it ?!!
[16:05] <eagles0513875> its ok thon
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> joerack: kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[16:05] <eagles0513875> maverick__: both do
[16:05] <Daisuke_Ido> media:/Multimedia isn't acceptable
[16:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it says it has to save to a local file
[16:05] <joerack> k thx
[16:05] <maverick__> eagles0513875: no, the master doesn't
[16:05] <Daisuke_Ido> change to /media/Multimedia and it's fine
[16:05] <maverick__> eagles0513875: it's a problem
[16:05] <eagles0513875> maverick__: usually its both of them
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: seamonkey but otherwise i just have kde decide based on the link (so konqueror)
[16:06] <maverick__> eagles0513875: i have a problem
[16:06] <eagles0513875> pcm is just the wave volume like a max the volue will reach
[16:06] <maverick__> eagles0513875: do i have any idea wht could be the cause to this problem
[16:06] <maverick__> ?
[16:06] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: are there any bugs in regards to maverick__ issue
[16:07] <eagles0513875> maverick__: as of right now i do not im actually in the middle of upgrading to gutsy as we speak the pkgs are downloading
[16:07] <WaltzingAlong> audio output on my system is affected by changes to the 'master' channel as well as to the 'pcm' channel
[16:07] <eagles0513875> same with mine
[16:07] <eagles0513875> but is what maverick experiencing a bug in gutsy or some other issue
[16:07] <maverick__> eagles0513875: well thnx though...also when i mute the sound keeps playing ...
[16:08] <eagles0513875> maverick__: r u on a laptop
[16:08] <WaltzingAlong> not that i know
[16:08] <maverick__> eagles0513875: yeah
[16:08] <Edulix> hi
[16:08] <Edulix> how can I *disable* 3d accel with an intel card?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> using Konq as my default browser and I luv it ..mostly , except for the cursor's strange behaviour in the google bar. If I try to back to the middle of a pjhrase to add a word or correct spelling the cursor jumps to the end of the phrase after just one key entry ....anyone encounter this and if so where does one change this behaviour ?
[16:09] <eagles0513875> maverick__: in regards to the audio being just the pcm i would file a bug report unless there is already one and 2ndly u might need to end up installing somethign that makes ur shortcut buttons work
[16:09] <eagles0513875> maverick__: for me they work out of the box
[16:09] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's the annoying autocomplete feature. try right-click on the google search bar
[16:09] <Jucato> I kinda forgot where actually
[16:09] <Jucato> Edulix: may I was why you want to disable it?
[16:10] <eagles0513875> ill be back a lil bit later to check on the upgrade progress im goign to watch some tv and nap lol
[16:10] <maverick__> eagles0513875: i can configure the buttons...but that would remain buuggy
[16:11] <Edulix> Jucato: yes. I'm developing a game with ogre and ... it shows in blank with 3d accel
[16:11] <frojnd> hello there
[16:11] <eagles0513875> maverick__: did it work when u had feisty on there
[16:11] <eagles0513875> !ogre
[16:11] <ubot3> Factoid ogre not found
[16:11] <Edulix> and I belive that without 3d accel, using mesa, it will work. why? because that's what happened in suse
[16:12] <Edulix> but in suse I can disable 3d accel using yast, meanwhile I can't find that option in kubuntu
[16:12] <frojnd> I have a q. I have downloaded a .deb package from ubuntu and transger it on another computer and than install there with sudo dpkg -l How cam I unistall remove completely this package ??
[16:12] <Jucato> Edulix: you have to switch to a video card driver that doesn't use the intel drivers.. maybe a generic open source "intel" driver or even vesa.... although that would be strange...
[16:13] <Jucato> I mean your issue is strange.. 3D acceleration is supposed to help with that kind of job..
[16:13] <AmyRose> I thought there was a driconf utility or something
[16:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: sudo dpkg -r programname
[16:13] <Edulix> Jucato: I'm already using the intel driver, which is the only one which supports correctly the intel 965gm.
[16:13] <AmyRose> I know there's a utility that can disable that
[16:13] <Jucato> Edulix: perhaps "vesa" then
[16:13] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: sudo aptitude purge packagename
[16:14] <AmyRose> Jucato: If I remember correctly, Edulix doesn't have to go THAT far...
[16:14] <Jucato> Edulix: or disable glx in xorg.conf... not really sure
[16:14] <Jucato> AmyRose:  you tell him :)
[16:14] <eagles0513875> Jucato: amy is afk
[16:14] <AmyRose> eagles0513875: No I'm not
[16:14] <AmyRose> Edulix: I think if you install the driconf utility you can turn it on and off on the fly
[16:14] <Jucato> eagles0513875: really? O.o
[16:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:14] <eagles0513875> guess not
[16:15] <Edulix> Jucato: that's what I thoughht. but I don't see any Load "glx" in xorg.conf
[16:15] <eagles0513875> sup amy
[16:15] <Dragnslcr> Being able to send a message while away would be pretty impressive
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Jucato, nope , changing to simple input method in the googlebar doesn't solve the prob :(
[16:15] <eagles0513875> screw kopete im using pidgin instead lol
[16:15] <Jucato> BluesKaj: sorry... can't recall...
[16:15] <Edulix> AmyRose: I'll try
[16:15] <AmyRose> eagles0513875: But Pidgin sucks! :P
[16:15] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I personally use F6 + "gg:terms"
[16:16] <eagles0513875> kopete is pissing me off right now though lol
[16:16] <arash> Kopete is the best :p
[16:16] <eagles0513875> not when it keeps crashing on ya
[16:16] <AmyRose> Yeah, I have to agree with arash
[16:16] <eagles0513875> its frustrating me just like my java class does at time
[16:16] <eagles0513875> s
[16:17] <eagles0513875> especially my java class right now since we r learning how to program shapes lol
[16:17] <Jucato> eagles0513875: msn?
[16:17] <AmyRose> Edulix: Yes, it is driconf
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i removed msn and yahoo i had on there
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i then added yahoo messenger and then it crashed on me again
[16:17] <eagles0513875> im goign to try msn on its own
[16:17] <Jucato> baaad
[16:17] <eagles0513875> ?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Jucato, ok cool, thx for the tip
[16:18] <aurelije> i have installed kde-desktop from ubuntu, how to turn on compiz in kde, please?
[16:18] <AmyRose> !compiz | aurelije
[16:18] <ubot3> aurelije: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:18] <eagles0513875> Jucato: can u explain to me why msn is working fine
[16:19] <AmyRose> !u | eagles0513875
[16:19] <ubot3> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[16:19] <AmyRose> :P
[16:19] <Jucato> eagles0513875: no I can't sorry...
[16:19] <eagles0513875> jucato i need yahoo access as well
[16:19] <eagles0513875> now let me try aim
[16:19] <AmyRose> eagles0513875: Yahoo works fine for me
[16:19] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the added advantage of that method is that you don't have to switch the search bar to get to other search engines, you can use wp: for Wikipedia, dict: for Meriam Webster, etc
[16:19] <eagles0513875> and that what crashes it for me
[16:19] <ubuntu_> hi i am on kubuntu live cd but cannot acsess compiz can someone please help me
[16:20] <BluesKaj> righton Jucato :)
[16:20] <ubuntu_> also i am using a nvidia card
[16:20] <Jucato> !compiz | ubuntu_
[16:20] <ubot3> ubuntu_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: you need to install compiz.
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> Faq #1 :)
[16:20] <Jucato> indeed :)
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> and yes. there are often a lot of little issues with compiz.
[16:20] <arash> ubuntu_ just wondering, why would someone want compiz on the Live-CD?
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> but it comes with ubuntu
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> but i am using kubuntu
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> WaltzingAlong  it has some issues with KDE.
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> yes they are the same but different
[16:21] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_Willis: but of course
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> it can work. and work decently well.. but  when kde4 comes out compiz wont be needed with kde. :) i hear.
[16:21] <arash> KDE4 has many effects?, well, I know I didn't like he screenshots too much. BUt it might be because it's the beta
[16:22] <AmyRose> Dr_Willis: It has issues with KDE?
[16:22] <Jucato> arash: it has effects. not all the same as Compiz. some are even better
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> AmyRose compiz has issues with everything... :)
[16:22] <ubuntu_> i just went to install it and it couldnt run is this because im on live cd
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> just some of them are really annoying.
[16:23] <Jucato> AmyRose: Compiz has issues with integrating well into KDE,specially kicker and virtual desktops
[16:23] <ubuntu_> it couldnt find it in E which i think is cd driver
[16:23] <AmyRose> Dr_Willis: Well, yeah, I disabled Compiz so I could play some games...
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> Troubleshooting 101 now. Step #1  - disable compiz see if the problem still exists...
[16:23] <AmyRose> You know, the games Linux doesn't have (but really does)
[16:23] <AmyRose> lol
[16:23] <Dragnslcr> It'll be interesting to see how KDE4's compositing compares to Compiz
[16:23] <ubuntu_> i have sabayon installe and im not sure if i should use kubuntu
[16:23] <ubuntu_> thats y i wanted to see if i could use compiz on live cd
[16:24] <Dragnslcr> And if games will crash X like they do with Compiz
[16:24] <ubuntu_> is gnome much better the kde
[16:24] <Jucato> ubuntu_: Compiz isn't installed by default on the Live CD
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_ the live cd's do not include the nvidia drivers by default. so  its proberlynot useable from the livecd
[16:24]  * Jucato sighs...
[16:24] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu_- it is if you like Gnome better
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> jwm - the ultimate window manager. :)
[16:24] <ubuntu_> coz i have both versions right here of ubuntu 7.10 and kubuntu 7.10 that i wanna install which should i do
[16:25] <ubuntu_> please someone help i cant decide
[16:25] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu_- Gnome and KDE are different. It's pretty much entirely personal preference
[16:25] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: Kubuntu
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_ you can easiallyinstall ubuntu, then install the kubuntu-desktop package to get kde.
[16:25] <ubuntu_> can u do the same on kubuntu and do gnome
[16:25] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: yes
[16:25] <arash> yes u can.
[16:25] <Dragnslcr> I just got a Dell system, and when I first booted it into Gnome, I thought it looked kinda like a Mac
[16:25] <ubuntu_> well in the end it doesnt matter onli thing if i install compiz will i need the kicker update
[16:25] <ubuntu_> for kde
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> or xubuntu-desktop. :) or mythbuntu, or....
[16:26] <ChrisAshton84> hi, first time user of any ubuntu flavor, anyone able to help me w/ nvidia?  i finally got the module to load but X still dies with it
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> ive not heard of any kicker-update
[16:26] <AmyRose> ChrisAshton84: Did you try using the restricted driver manager?
[16:26] <ubuntu_> on sabayon there was kicker update required
[16:26] <ubuntu_> so this does not apply to kubuntu with nvida driver
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_ sabayon is about as far from Ubuntu as a disrto can get.
[16:26] <Dragnslcr> ChrisAshton84- you can check /var/log/X.org.log for the reason that X is dying
[16:27] <ubuntu_> haha fair enuf
[16:27] <ubuntu_> will compiz be exatly the same on kubuntu then sabayon will der be a difference
[16:27] <ChrisAshton84> AmyRose: restricted-manager-core and restricted-manager-kde are installed along w/ the linux-restricted-modules
[16:27] <arash> ubuntu_ in case you got the both live CDs, why can't you just run both and then decide ;)
[16:27] <AmyRose> ChrisAshton84: But did you actually USE that to install the nvidia drivers?
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_ proberly very similer. No idwa what tweaks sybayon may of done.
[16:28] <ChrisAshton84> Dragnslcr: done that, the error is at http://pastebin.com/m50b2d955
[16:28] <ubuntu_> i did and think kde is the way to go i just dont wont the kicker to freeze after a compiz install and runnin with nvidia drivers
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_ never heard of that problem here.
[16:28] <ChrisAshton84> AmyRose: I did the whole nvidia-glx-config enable, and know how to edit xorg.conf by hand, it all looked right
[16:29] <ChrisAshton84> AmyRose: I'm not sure what the restricted manager stuff gives me
[16:29] <arash> quite creative of the KDE4 guys, when a application crashes: http://fbsd.za.net/other/uploads/uploads/kde4.jpg
[16:29] <Dragnslcr> ChrisAshton84- what nVidia card do you have?
[16:29] <ChrisAshton84> when I first booted there was a prompt to install the nvidia drivers, I used that
[16:29] <ChrisAshton84> Dragnslcr: 6800 GT
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> Hiku Error Messages?  :) Oh wait that was the BeOS
[16:30] <AmyRose> ChrisAshton84: Yeah, you should be going to System Settings and then to the Restricted Drivers manager. It does all this for you
[16:31] <alocke> 1
[16:31] <ChrisAshton84> AmyRose: last time I'd checked that it was enabled, this time it wasn't, I'll try it now
[16:31] <ChrisAshton84> do I need to do anything after checking that besides restart X?
[16:33] <ChrisAshton84> ok, looks like it did more to xorg.conf than the previous times, hope this works
[16:36] <the-erm> I have a problem with lirc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/123557 seems to be the problem, but I have no clue how to fix it :)
[16:36] <ubot3> Malone bug 123557 in lirc "lirc with livedrive on audigy2 zs" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:36] <the-erm> It sounds like  the line with  post-install fixed it.
[16:36] <ubuntu> hi how do i create a swap space and should i do it or forget about it im installin kubuntu over sbayon partion ext3
[16:37] <the-erm> ubuntu you need to have a swap space.
[16:37] <ubuntu> how do i do it
[16:37] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- it's pretty much always a good idea to create a swap partition
[16:37] <oxywolf> Hi!
[16:37] <Jucato> ubuntu: you could use the same swap partition that you have in sabayon.
[16:37] <Jucato> (if you have one)
[16:38] <oxywolf> ??
[16:38] <ubuntu> how can i create it because i have a 320gig that is partition into to one 100gig and the other 200gig but i dont wanna touch 200 gig at all its onli data and cannot be formatted i didnt have a swap partion in sabayon so how do i create one
[16:38] <Tm_T> oxywolf: moi
[16:38] <oxywolf> moi!
[16:38] <the-erm> backup ...
[16:38] <Dragnslcr> You should be able to create a swap partition by taking space out of one of the other partitions
[16:39] <oxywolf> You must use someting disk ulity
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> you could always make a swap file later also if wanted.
[16:39] <the-erm> you gotta ask yourself ... is my data worth another hard drive.  Or would my life come crashing down without it.
[16:39] <spawn57`> having swap space is necessary, imo
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> I always put a little swap partition on all my hd's just in case. :)
[16:39] <ubuntu> where is disk utiltity i onli wanan take some from the one that im gonna install kubuntu on not my 200gig partition
[16:40] <ubuntu> 200 gig one cannot be touched at all
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> gparted is good at resizing partitions
[16:40] <ubuntu> im on the live cd
[16:40] <ubuntu> if i dont do a swap partition what will happen
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> gparted is on the live cd i do recall
[16:40] <abcd> Hello, i have old machine with 1ghz PIII and 256 MB of RAM. Has anybody a clue how to speed up loading of pictures on machine like that. I have kubuntu and use gvenview. Is there any faster program than gwenview? Sorry for my english
[16:40] <Dragnslcr> If gparted is already installed on the LiveCD, you can install it
[16:40] <Dragnslcr> Er, if it isn't already installed
[16:40] <spawn57`> swap lets' your system's performace degrade with grace, when your comp using too much memory it'll push unused programs to swap ..
[16:41] <the-erm> I think qtparted is installed on the kubuntu live cd.
[16:41] <ubuntu> so ur comp runs faster with swap space
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> abcd use a very light weight window manager, and try some other image viewer tools perhaps.
[16:41] <ubuntu> where can i find the qtparted
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> abcd ram is your limiting factor  it seems
[16:41] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- only if you use more memory than you have
[16:42] <ubuntu> what do u mean use more memory then i have is that wen swap kicks in
[16:42] <Dr_Willis> ive swap vs no swap arguments befor.. and normally they end up saying. "make a little swap partition" it wont hurt and can help big time.
[16:42] <ubuntu> i have 2gb memory
[16:42] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- if you have 2 GB of memory and never use all of it, swap probably won't be used at all
[16:42] <ubuntu> i just wnan know how to make a swap partion in the 100 gig partion ill use some of that
[16:42] <spawn57`> ubuntu: i have 1.5, but when i load up losta programs, swap gets used
[16:42] <abcd> Dr_Willis: thanks
[16:42] <Dragnslcr> And hard disk space is so dirt cheap that there's no reason to set aside 2-4 GB for swap
[16:43] <ubuntu> yer i would do that if i knew how lol
[16:43] <Dragnslcr> Er, no reason not to
[16:43] <ubuntu> im on step 4 of 6 in installation
[16:43] <ubuntu> and its where its askin me for swap partition
[16:43] <Dragnslcr> Man, I'm really having issues with negatives today
[16:43] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- is there an option to take space from an existing partition?
[16:44] <spawn57`> make a 512MB swap at least..
[16:44] <ubuntu> no i have edit delte and undo
[16:44] <ubuntu> in edit it jsut mount and they type of partion i put ext3
[16:44] <ubuntu> is dat good
[16:44] <ubuntu> and my media one is ntfs and thats not being touched at all
[16:44] <eagles0513875> :)
[16:45] <spawn57`> make another one more, and set it's type to swap
[16:45] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: u wanting rw access to it
[16:45] <ubuntu> i cant create a new one
[16:45] <spawn57`> really?
[16:46] <ubuntu> this is a bad situation just to create a swap partion from my 100 gig partion
[16:46] <eagles0513875> arash: :)
[16:47] <seriekrock> what was that package that fixed problems in kubuntu, like codecs and such?
[16:47] <ubuntu> please someone how to create it im in last steps of installin and stuck lol
[16:48] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: go back a few steps and manually edit the partition size and use it as swap
[16:48] <ubuntu> when i go edit how can i have it as swap i cant instal on swap
[16:48] <spawn57`> ubuntu: is this your first time installing ubuntu? or are you upgrading?
[16:49] <ubuntu> first time
[16:49] <_steve> I just managed to complete my Gutsy upgrade, but now have no sound. Kmix shows no mixers :(
[16:49] <spawn57> really? how'd that ext3 parittion get there?
[16:49] <ubuntu> from sabayon
[16:50] <spawn57> _steve: any idea what soundcard you have?
[16:50] <ubuntu> and i never created a swap with sabayon i didnt know how
[16:50] <spawn57> ubuntu: what's sabayon ...?
[16:50] <_steve> spawn57: it's on-board nvidia. worked fine in Feisty
[16:50] <ubuntu> another type of linux
[16:51] <spawn57> nvidia..dang what drivers does that one use again? ....
[16:51] <Skulker> You know that you can create a swap file with mkswap
[16:51] <spawn57> _steve: did you install linux-modules-restricted?
[16:51] <kubuntunewbie> is there an advantage to using more then one linux environment? are there any good programs that will work on an environment that wont work on an other environment?
[16:52] <_steve> spawn57: not sure
[16:52] <spawn57> _steve: so you're killing sabayon? and installing ubuntu ontop?
[16:52] <joerack> umm I'm starting to like this kde... hope it hasn't added bugs compared to gnome
[16:52] <spawn57> _steve: check with adept =]
[16:53] <_steve> spawn57: Sabayon must be someone else. I just upgrade Feisty to Gutsy
[16:53] <spawn57> _steve: ..or if you know your way around cli, I can help youcheck with konsole..
[16:53] <_steve> that's fine
[16:53] <spawn57> ubuntu : so you're killing sabayon? and installing ubuntu ontop?
[16:53] <ubuntu> yep
[16:54] <_steve> spawn57: looks like I have older restricted modules 2.6.20, but 2.6.22 is in adept
[16:54] <Dragnslcr> kubuntunewbie- you mean desktop environment (e.g. Gnome and KDE)?
[16:54] <spawn57> _steve: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[16:54] <kubuntunewbie> Dragnslcr: yes
[16:55] <_steve> spawn57: correction, I have both installed
[16:55] <poison--> !backup
[16:55] <ubot3> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[16:55] <_steve> spawn57: but not that one
[16:55] <Dragnslcr> kubuntunewbie- I believe that all Gnome apps can run in KDE and all KDE apps can run in Gnome
[16:55] <spawn57> ubuntu: kill the current ext3 partition, make a new ext3 and swap partition
[16:55] <ninhobomba> hello im upgrading from feisty to gutsy.... but the upgrade tool seems to be frozen... what do i do?
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> I mixx and match kde + gnome apps all the time
[16:55] <ubuntu> how do i kill it and make to new partions
[16:55] <kubuntunewbie> Dragnslcr: what about that one that starts with an X whats that all about?
[16:55] <spawn57> _steve: check your crrent kernel version using uname -r
[16:55] <Thonolan> !alsa
[16:55] <ubot3> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:56] <_steve> spawn57: 2.6.22-14-386
[16:56] <Dragnslcr> kubuntunewbie- you mean XFCE?
[16:56] <spawn57> _steve:  you're just missing the restricted modules I think, install'em
[16:56] <kubuntunewbie> Dragnslcr: yeah
[16:57] <Dragnslcr> _steve- what kind of CPU do you have?
[16:57] <joerack> eagles0513875: you still there? cos i might still have a problem with this disk
[16:57] <joerack> or anybody...
[16:57] <_steve> spawn57: should I remove the 2.6.20 one? do I need to do something to make it use the new one? I have an AMD X2
[16:57] <Dragnslcr> kubuntunewbie- I've never used it, but I would guess that it can run Gnome and KDE apps
[16:57] <ubuntu> how do i kill partition and make 2 new ones  one being swap
[16:57] <spawn57> _steve: don't need to, hold on to'em for now
[16:58] <ubuntu> would that be delete partiton
[16:58] <spawn57> kill 2.6.17 though, it's a bit old now
[16:58] <Skulker> ubuntu: With what tool?
[16:58] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- parted/gparted/qtparted should be able to make a swap partition out of an existing one
[16:58] <spawn57> ubuntu: yeap
[16:58] <ubuntu> where do i find these programs
[16:58] <ninhobomba> the distribution upgrade tool froze while installing what ive downloaded all night, what do i do?
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> xfce is more closely linked to gnome. BUt it can run kde apps also.  theres no real reason  with any window manager running any other X apps. reguardless of what 'desktop' they are for.  There might be some littel issues. depending on the app.
[16:58] <spawn57> Dragnslcr: the current ext3 partition he has is
[16:58] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- check Adept
[16:58] <ubuntu> check what lol
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> gparted should be in the menus somewhere.
[16:58] <spawn57> Dragnslcr: the current ext3 partition he has is for another linux distro, he might as well delete it and create two new parittions
[16:59] <_steve> spawn57: do I have to restart something to make sound work?
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> or run it from the shell with 'sudo gparted'
[16:59] <waltercool> hallo
[16:59] <spawn57> _steve: naw, you just have to load the right drivers, using modprobe <driver name>
[16:59] <spawn57> _steve: I'm not sure what driver you need though, I haven't worked with nvidia's onboard sound =\
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> If installing Over a existing linux install. which you dont want to keep..  id just delete the linux partition and leave a section of the HD 'unallocated' and let the installer auto parition the hd as it wants
[17:00] <waltercool> in live cd, i tried to update kdelibs (new) and i cant use kopete, why this can happen?
[17:00] <spawn57> Dr_Willis: exactly what i'm telling him to do =]
[17:00] <ubuntu> but i have 2 partitons one 100gig and 1 200gig the 200gig cannot be touched so i want to take a section of the 100gig to swap
[17:00] <Skulker> waltercool: /usr/sbin/fdisk -l <hdaname> will show partitions
[17:00] <spawn57> _steve: which nforce board do you have 2,3,4 ?...
[17:00] <waltercool> ?
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu you want to keep that other data thats on the 100gb  partition?
[17:01] <waltercool> Skulker: My problem is with kopete
[17:01] <jan__> I need a programm to mount an iso image
[17:01] <ubuntu> no the data thatson 200gig i dont care bout data on 100gig
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[17:01] <ubot3> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[17:01] <ninhobomba> should i quit the distribution upgrade if its frozen?
[17:01] <spawn57> ubuntu, create a linux parittion first, and select the check box that says "fill up mamxium space available" or something like that, then create a swap partition of 512M
[17:01] <_steve> spawn57: nforce 4 I think
[17:01] <ubuntu> yer but where do i click create swap partition
[17:02] <Skulker> walterkool: My bad
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu then just  delete the 100gb partition,  so its unallocated.. start the installer  - let it make the partition layout/install to the unallocated space.
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> it will make a / and a swap partition by default
[17:02] <waltercool> Skulker: U know how fix kopete?? dont try to login
[17:02] <spawn57> ubuntu, as you normally would create an ext3 pratition,  ..just under 'type' select swap
[17:02] <ubuntu> but how do i do that with it not touchin my 200gig driver at all
[17:03] <ubuntu> under whre type selct swap
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu if you delete the 100gb PARTITION - it wont be touching the 200gb partition
[17:03] <ubuntu> so i click delete and it comes up unallocated space
[17:03] <spawn57> yes
[17:04] <ubuntu> then i go create and it goes ext3 and no swap
[17:04] <spawn57> delete the 100GB parittion only
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu the Installer can make the partitions - you dont need to make them beforhand
[17:04] <spawn57> yeah, make another one after that, 512MB and change the type to swap,
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> Just free up somd disk space thats unallocated
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> Or ya can make a 512mb swap, and a 2nd partition ebforhand.
[17:05] <ubuntu> i got a 2 gig swap do i put it as primary or logical and wat mount do i sleect
[17:05] <ubuntu> also location for new partion beginin or end
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> you proberly dont need 2gb of swap.  when in doubt make them primary
[17:06] <ubuntu> what about mount point my other one is /
[17:06] <joerack> can anybody explain me why every .deb i try to install it refuses closing the window?
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> swap dsent have a mount point
[17:06] <ubuntu> oh okai so leave it blank
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> joerack install them from the shell?
[17:06] <ubuntu> do i put swap at beginin or at the end
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu all you really need to do is leave the 100gb part of the HD unallocated. the installer can auto create the / and swap partitions.
[17:07] <ubuntu> does the swap drive need to be formatted
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> it dosent matter ubuntu the installer will find it. and can format it
[17:07] <ubuntu> i got it now swap and normaller
[17:07] <ubuntu> ill clickt he box to swap but do i put it at the beginin or better to put it at then end
[17:07] <ubuntu> ill format both of them no drama
[17:08] <joerack> Dr_Willis: from console?
[17:08] <ubuntu> just wanna know beginin or end
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu the installer will want to format them befor it starts installing anyway
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu flip a coin. it dosent matter. :) i put mine at the end.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> You are doing a lot of busy work for no gain.
[17:08] <spawn57> usually end is better I think
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> joerack sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Best is on a different hard drive. :)
[17:09] <joerack> Dr_Willis: i know how that works. but I'm asking why gui deb installer is bugged
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> joerack  you READ the error messages that it spits out - if any
[17:09] <joerack> so much for kde user friendlyiness
[17:09] <joerack> ok
[17:09] <trpr_> ...
[17:10] <spawn57> heh
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> joerack   you are overriding the use of 'adept' by downloading .deb files manually - THATS the 'problem' thats not how a user-friendly-user - would do things
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> dont download .debs use the package manager tools.
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> is the 'keeping things friendly answer'
[17:11] <spawn57> Dr_Willis: I had to use debs a few times =|
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> If the user decides to totally trash the system that makes Linux user UNfriendly?
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> spawn57 and i always use the SHELL to instll them :)
[17:11] <stamen> can anybody give me the xine.config file for kaffeine
[17:11] <stamen> because I delete it by mistake
[17:11] <joerack> Dr_Willis: no offence, but an ex-windows user will always try to find the easier route
[17:11] <spawn57> Dr_Willis: had to install it for the kdelibs bug that messes up kopete =(
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> joerack the easy route IS to fire up 'adept' and search/click install.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> spawn57 not seen that one yet.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> joerack what are you isntlling anyway?
[17:12] <spawn57> Dr_Willis: crashes when trying to use msn messenger
[17:12] <joerack> you'll laugh if I tell you
[17:12] <joerack> Envy.
[17:12] <biovore> oO
[17:12] <spawn57> whats' envy?
[17:13] <trpr> i think thats the script that makes you envy people who havn't run it
[17:13] <joerack> driver auto installerfor lazy peeps
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> if you are wanting to use envy - you better get experienced with the shell, and troubleshooting your system
[17:13] <trpr> someone hit the bot ;)
[17:13] <spawn57> trpr: hehehe
[17:13] <toby> spawn: An nvidia configurator
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> envy can break things very badly. :)
[17:13] <spawn57> ah ...
[17:13] <Thonolan> which command i need to show me which hw file my soundcard use ?
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> i seem tobe the only one that 'restricted-manager' tool works for flawlessly? :)
[17:13] <spawn57> Thonolan: as in drivers? /proc/asound
[17:14] <spawn57> and it's a whole dir full of stuff =D
[17:14] <_steve> spawn57: I needed to install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-386 and use modprobe snd-hda-intel. Got sound! Thanx muchly
[17:15] <spawn57> _steve: glad to help =]
[17:15] <PolitikerNEU> I got a problem: Hibernate works under kubuntu 7.10 but suspend does not. Is there anything I can try to make it work?
[17:15] <Ciccio> hi
[17:15] <poison--> llo peeps
[17:16] <Ciccio> I got a problem, I did an upgrade from feisty to gutsy...
[17:16] <Ciccio> I used kde...
[17:16] <Ciccio> now I got my new kde... but with a lot of icons missing
[17:16] <Ciccio> as if icon themes are not complete...
[17:16] <eagles0513875> joerack: im back
[17:17] <Ciccio> for example knetworkmanager... is missing its own icon and I see in tray default icon (a white sheet), same for adept-notifier or some other apps...
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Ciccio try a new user - seeif it affects them also
[17:17] <Ciccio> did
[17:17] <Ciccio> nothing
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> if it dosent. it may be your .kde settings
[17:17] <patricio> hm, adept crashes here with gutsy :I
[17:17] <Ciccio> same behaviour...
[17:18] <waltercool> kopete crash here too
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Ciccio odd. theres severalother kde icon themes you could try installing. It may kick somthing in the head.
[17:18] <Thonolan> spawn57: i need to find out which file i put into arts to use my own soundcard
[17:18] <Ciccio> did...
[17:18] <Ciccio> ;)
[17:18] <spawn57> which...file..?
[17:18] <Ciccio> I don't know If the same icons are missing...
[17:18] <angelo> hi there is someone that have cut and paste problems whit kubuntu gutsy?
[17:18] <Ciccio> or better.... now I can think about... If i create a new user
[17:19] <Ciccio> I've got no icons at all!
[17:19] <spawn57> Thonolan: you mean you're not using alsa?
[17:19] <Ciccio> until I choose some icon theme...
[17:19] <Ciccio> so maybe default icons are missing?!
[17:19] <Thonolan> spawn57: for example before i try to update to gutsy i use this under arts : plughw:1
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> angelo cut/pasteing of files or text snippits?
[17:19] <Ciccio> in which kde deb package I can find them? (to check if it's installed)
[17:19] <angelo> when a cut a file it make copy
[17:20] <trpr> try kde-icons-crystal
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> angelo thats a bug in Dolphin i do belive
[17:20] <spawn57> Thonolan: oh, I dunno about that =|
[17:20] <Ciccio> trpr: is the one I'm using... I get some of the crystal icons....
[17:20] <Thonolan> spawn57: so I had sound and i use alsa
[17:20] <trpr> i just noticed its not installed on my system though, and i'm not experiencing icon issues
[17:20] <Ciccio> but other ar missing....
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> angelo ive heard several people mention the issue when using Dolphin and cut/pasteing to/from the desktop/dirs
[17:20] <trpr> hrm :\
[17:20] <Ciccio> for example
[17:20] <Thonolan> spawn57: np
[17:20] <Ciccio> adept
[17:20] <Ciccio> is completely iconless now
[17:21] <Ciccio> application and menu toolbar...
[17:21] <angelo> ok thanks dr_willis
[17:22] <tharun> hi, can someone tell me how I can switch over to the new ATI drivers and use AIGLX for compiz instead of XGL?
[17:22] <_steve> just noticed another Gutsy issue. It's only using one of my CPU cores on my AMD X2 :(
[17:22] <arash> _steve, I wouldn't be surpirsed if mine does too (on 7.04), how did you find out its only using one?
[17:23] <trpr> Ciccio: check /usr/share/icons/Crystal .. its filled with directories full of icons? dpkg -L <pkg> is telling me that's where the files should be
[17:23] <Ciccio> yes it is
[17:23] <Ciccio> but, for example...
[17:23] <_steve> arash: I run distributed.net and top showed only one running rather than two
[17:23] <Ciccio> adept package put its icons in
[17:23] <Ciccio>  /usr/share/icons/hicolor...
[17:24] <Ciccio> it seems as kde don't check also "default" apps icon folders...
[17:24] <Ciccio> *doesn't
[17:25] <paolo> :)
[17:25] <tharun_> hi, can someone tell me how I can switch over to the new ATI drivers and use AIGLX for compiz instead of XGL?
[17:26] <trpr> Ciccio: you also have hicolor-icon-theme installed? dpkg informs me its the default fallback theme. i dunno exactly what is going on :
[17:27] <paolo> bye
[17:27] <Ciccio> exacly trpr
[17:27] <Qrawl> !mysql
[17:27] <ubot3> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[17:27] <Ciccio> is the default icon theme
[17:27] <Ciccio> for example
[17:28] <Ciccio> for apps that have got icons not "themed" by other themes, kde should find icons in that folder
[17:28] <eagles0513875> arash: time for the moment of truth to see if the update worked brb need to restart
[17:28] <Ciccio> and I've installed such theme of course... but it's as kde doesn't check icons there...
[17:30] <hellhound666> i am having trouble getting xbindkeys to autostart.  I have tried creating a symbolic link, a bash script, and copying the program all to the Autostart kde folder.  I do not have anything else in the folder, but for some reason it will not start unless I manually go the folder and double click on the link/script/program
[17:30] <neighborlee> good morn..I followed docs in kde HELP from MENU to    get dvd playback of encripted disks to work but im getting the following error: sudo: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh: command not found ..known issue ?
[17:31] <maverick_> Does anyone know where should i put my script if i want to execute just by typing command from anywhere?! i know i should put it in /usr/local/bin......i am asking where if i want it to be execlusive for my uuser
[17:31] <maverick_> ?
[17:31] <neighborlee> maverick_: /home/myuser
[17:32] <sacater> how do i install kde themes?
[17:32] <maverick_> neighborlee: u mean i should just put it in ~/ and i would be able to call it from anywhere ??
[17:32] <stdin> maverick_: ~/bin
[17:32] <sacater> like this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/RessMonitor?content=68541&PHPSESSID=9dee86813bb75ce78e35244958b962a4
[17:32] <maverick_> stdin: thnx
[17:32] <maverick_> neighborlee: thnx
[17:32] <sacater> !themes
[17:32] <tharun_> !aiglx
[17:32] <ubot3> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[17:32] <ubot3> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[17:33] <sacater> !changethemes
[17:33] <ubot3> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[17:33] <Qrawl> should I use this on Kubuntu:   sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[17:33] <Qrawl> or is that only for Ubuntu
[17:33] <eagles0513875> wow
[17:34] <stdin> Qrawl: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment, commands will work on both
[17:34] <eagles0513875> i didnt even know they added a thing to automatically configure the restriced stuff
[17:34] <Qrawl> stdin, ty
[17:34] <neighborlee> !dvd
[17:34] <ubot3> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[17:34] <hellhound666> sacater: the RessMonitor theme you linked is for a program call Karamba (see "Type" listing)  You will need this program
[17:35] <eagles0513875> :)
[17:35] <eagles0513875> arash: hey
[17:35] <arash> eagles0513875: hi
[17:36] <eagles0513875> arash: :)
[17:36] <tharun_> !aiglx
[17:36] <ubot3> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[17:36] <snikker> with compiz enabled i'ge got 8 virtual desktop in the kicker. how can i fix this?
[17:37] <tharun> !xgl
[17:37] <ubot3> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:37] <Skylan> hi to all.
[17:37] <Skylan> can anyone say me, kubuntu supports udma66 controllers?
[17:37] <stdin> snikker: remove the pager applet, or disable compiz. there is no "fix"
[17:38] <eagles0513875> arash: need to restart my comp again lol
[17:38] <hellhound666> snikker: you need to adjust the horizontal & vertical virtual sizes in the General ->Desktop Size
[17:38] <arash> eagles0513875: tbh, I dont know even what you were doing in the first place
[17:38] <snikker> stdin: oh, ok thanks
[17:38] <snikker> hellhound666: ok, now i try
[17:39] <eagles0513875> arash:  for me the it brrought up a thing to ask me if i wanted to enable ay restricted drivers so i enabled my video card and wifi
[17:39] <eagles0513875> arash: brb
[17:40] <Skylan> may be my computer with udma66 so old, that not runs kubuntu...
[17:41] <vanush__> how can i watch stage6 videos
[17:41] <pauljw> snikker: go into configure desktop; multiple-desktops and make sure you only have one desktop selected.  your desktop is now a 4 sided cube and will increase in multiple of 4 even though they will be repeats of the original because you can only have one cube.
[17:42] <trpr> Skylan: depends on the chipset, but unless you have something funky, that's supported
[17:42] <stdin> !codecs | vanush__
[17:42] <ubot3> vanush__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:42] <pauljw> snikker: at least that was the way that beryl worked, i don't use compiz-fusion so i don't know for certain that they are the same.
[17:43] <Qrawl> why is compiz default in ubuntu but not kubuntu
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> because with kde4 - it wont be needed.. and compiz is flakey
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:43] <Qrawl> oh really .  is KDE4 that good
[17:43] <trpr> it aims to be :)
[17:44] <viktor_> hi i have just installed kubuntu and need to get compiz running could someone guide me through this
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> im  often thinking  they shouldent  of included compiz in ubuntu - given the # of questions i see people have with it.
[17:44] <stdin> !compiz | viktor_
[17:44] <ubot3> viktor_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:44] <Skylan> trpr:i have Promise Ultra 66, kubuntu install recognize it, but don't operate correctly
[17:44] <eagles0513875> arash: hey
[17:44] <BluesKaj> no one "needs" compiz  :>)
[17:44] <Qrawl> Dr_Willis, In Ubuntu, is it on by default
[17:44] <pauljw> Dr_Willis: i agree, flakey eye candy...  :)
[17:45] <Qrawl> yes but it impresses potential Windows converts
[17:45] <stdin> Qrawl: it's only on by default in ubuntu with certain hardware/drivers, not for all
[17:45] <Qrawl> oh
[17:45] <eagles0513875> Qrawl: what does
[17:45] <origaman> I need compiz.
[17:45] <Qrawl> Compiz
[17:45] <eagles0513875> oh
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> 'need' compiz.. heh heh.. yea.. :)
[17:45]  * biovore hates compiz..
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Qrawl, the problem is it's so graphics card dependent
[17:45] <origaman> It's not only about eye candy.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> it has some neat features.. which are overshadowed by the lame eyecandy
[17:45] <hellhound666> i am having trouble getting xbindkeys to autostart.  I have tried creating a symbolic link, a bash script, and copying the program all to the Autostart kde folder.  I do not have anything else in the folder, but for some reason it will not start unless I manually go the folder and double click on the link/script/program
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> i do like the inverse/zoom features
[17:45] <origaman> I really love the input enabled zoom and the scale plugins
[17:46] <snikker> pauljw: it work. thanks!
[17:46] <pauljw> yw
[17:46] <Qrawl> wow, installing LAMP is too easy now.   sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[17:46] <Qrawl> done
[17:46] <origaman> And, yeah the negation feature ;-)
[17:46] <Ciccio> uhm
[17:47] <Ciccio> I'm missing env.d dir in /etc... maybe something connected to this?
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> i dont have an env.d either
[17:47] <Ciccio> uhm
[17:47] <Ciccio> not anymore used?
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> aparently not. :)
[17:48] <Ciccio> damn...
[17:48] <Ciccio> this will drive me crazy
[17:53] <SpoZen> need some help with cups here, why does every Parallel Port #1 say (canon) or (epson)?
[17:54] <awag> #compiz
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> you use those i think IF you have a epson.cannon printer. its a special port just for those 2
[17:54] <awag> oops
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> SpoZen there should be a different parrallel port for the other printer if you got one.
[17:54] <awag> where is a good place to get help with compiz?
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> !compiz
[17:54] <ubot3> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:55] <eagles0513875> lol seems like everyone wants compiz lol
[17:55] <SpoZen> i have an HP printer
[17:55] <eagles0513875> :)
[17:55] <eagles0513875> that was so much easier this time to get my open gl to work
[17:56] <free1> stop
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> SpoZen under gutsy i just plug in my printer and the darn thing poped up a dialig and  let me set it up. :) it was amazing.
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> That was usb however
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> I got a Parallel port -> usb adaptor that is darn handy for those older printers
[17:57] <SpoZen> yea
[17:57] <free1> yeah, I liked kde a lot... but nothing worked
[17:57] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: same with me and my video card it and wifi
[17:57] <free1> ... not the cd burner
[17:57] <free1> nor the sound
[17:57] <free1> or headphones
[17:57] <SpoZen> my sound doesnt wor either
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> sound is not technicially a 'kde' issue
[17:57] <SpoZen> but its a driver issue
[17:57] <neighborlee> my sound worked fine..YMMV
[17:57] <free1> but it works fine while running gnome
[17:58] <free1> so ymmv for gnome
[17:58] <free1> but kde looks and feels better
[17:58] <eagles0513875> arash: hey guess what
[17:58] <neighborlee> ymmv ;)
[17:58] <free1> even the email was a bit screwy
[17:59] <neighborlee> free1: what is your hardware
[17:59] <free1> the card is..
[17:59] <free1> hda ati sb
[17:59] <free1> with a chipset of Realtek alc861-vd
[18:00] <free1> I tried diffeerent settings in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base... to no avail
[18:00] <sonic> SpoZen: have you messed around with Kmix?
[18:01] <Qrawl> thats odd.  I did  sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin , and it installed, but where is it?  it's not in  /var/www
[18:01] <sonic> SpoZen: I have had problems with the default audio channel and had to change mine before in kde
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> thers some sound cards/chipsets that have no Linux drivers at all. :( or they got bugs that make them not work at this time. which sucks
[18:02] <sonic> SpoZen: for some reason I always have change the main volume channel to "analog front"
[18:02] <Anacrusis> What could this mean? error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: invalid ELF header
[18:03] <Dr_Willis> On my old audigy card i always had to enable the digital out.
[18:03] <Qrawl> shouldnt phpmyadmin be in  /var/www ?
[18:03] <hellhound666> what is the equivalent to "ipconfig -release" / "ipconfig -renew" in linux?
[18:03] <free1> I must concur with the good doctor... however,
[18:04] <free1> since I had no problems with fiesty or gutsy under gnome...
[18:04] <free1> and everything went to pot with kubuntu
[18:04] <free1> I feel like I must be missing something.
[18:05] <awag> is there a !seen script on the bot in this channel?
[18:05] <eagles0513875> what does it men when u try to play a stream in amarok no sutible demux plug
[18:05] <sonic> free1: read what I said to SpoZen,  Ive had issues with kmix and had to mess with the channels before to find the right one for my volume
[18:06] <eagles0513875> !wine
[18:06] <ubot3> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[18:06] <sonic> if it works in gnome I dont see why it wouldnt work with kde, since the drivers are independant of the DE
[18:06] <free1> thank you sonic
[18:06] <eagles0513875> arash: could u help me out dude
[18:07] <sonic> free1: its a long shot, but it has to be a kde setting
[18:07] <zigonick> where can i get a fresh copy of .bashrc ?
[18:07] <sonic> if it works in gnome that is. do you have gnome installed alongside kde in kubuntu?
[18:08] <Dr_Willis> zigonick could check the /etc/skel directory
[18:08] <free1> yes, I do have gnome installed as well
[18:08] <free1> actually...
[18:08] <sonic> ok, so the kubuntu isnt a fresh install, just added from repository. and sound works in gnome.  theres gotta be a way to get to the bottom of this
[18:08] <free1> true story...
[18:09] <free1> I had gnome only
[18:09] <free1> than I went to the install fest at my loco and also put the new gutsy kubuntu
[18:09] <free1> than there was no sound
[18:09] <free1> I did a fresh install of only ubuntu-gutsy...
[18:10] <free1> the speakers have no sound... but the headphones do.
[18:10] <kubuntunewbie> free1: that doesnt sound good
[18:10] <free1> I believe you; there has to be a way to get to the bottom of this
[18:10] <free1> k-newbie,
[18:10] <Dr_Willis> that sounds like the mixer needs to be twiddled with.
[18:11] <free1> no headphones would be infinitely worse ;)
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> some soundcards have 'software' programable jacks also.
[18:11] <kubuntunewbie> free1: have you tried pluging your speakers into the headphone jack?!?!
[18:11] <kubuntunewbie> free1: maybe the speakers arent working
[18:11] <free1> I meant that the laptop speakers do not work
[18:11] <sonic> free1: ok, so do the speakers work in gnome? and you have both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop packages installed?
[18:11] <kubuntunewbie> free1: ahh its a lappy
[18:12] <free1> sonic,
[18:12] <kubuntunewbie> free1: i had the same prob and i just messed with kmix and it worked
[18:12] <free1> the speakers worked in dapper
[18:12] <TameLion> Hi all
[18:12] <free1> it's a dual boot, and they work under the evil empire's OS
[18:12] <eagles0513875> i have a problem guys i installed gcj but for some reason a shortcut doesnt show up in any catagory in the k menu
[18:13] <free1> I tried, what I thought, was everything messing with kmix
[18:13] <free1> actually, sonic,
[18:13] <kubuntunewbie> free1: by default in 7.10 the PCM is set at 0, and i had to put mine up to get sound on lapp speakers
[18:13] <kubuntunewbie> free what is evil empire's OS?
[18:13] <sonic> kubuntunewbie: ive have to mess with kmix *everytime* ive installed or upgraded.  Hoping kde4 new sound backend will some this
[18:13] <free1> Vista
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> i normally install the other alsa mixers' they seem a bit more advanced/tweakabel then kmix
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> !find mixer
[18:13] <ubot3> Found: alsamixergui, asmixer, aumix, aumix-gtk, gnome-alsamixer (and 11 others)
[18:13] <eagles0513875> kubuntunewbie: i didnt have to adjust the pcm on mine
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> Yea. alsamixer   and the others. :) i normally use
[18:14] <kubuntunewbie> eagles0513875: i duno, it did it for me like 10 times
[18:14] <eagles0513875> kubuntunewbie: did u do a fresh install
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> !info gcj
[18:14] <ubot3> gcj: The GNU Java compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.1-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 48 kB
[18:14] <patricc> since updating to gutsy gibbon, I can't play avi files. What codecs do I need? has this a connection to the "fobidden word" libdvdcss?
[18:14] <sonic> I always have to change my main to analog front...
[18:14] <kubuntunewbie> eagles0513875: yes, but sometimes when i boot up it sets to 0 again, kinda annoying i duno
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall ever seeing an icon for the compilers.  or other command line tools.
[18:15] <eagles0513875> ok dose gcj have an ide
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> patricc codec you needs depends on the avi file. :)
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> Theres a kubuntu-restricted-somthing package that has most of them.
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> !find restricted
[18:15] <ubot3> Found: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-powerpc, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-powerpc-smp, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-powerpc64-smp, linux-restricted-modules-common, linux-restricted-modules-powerpc (and 8 others)
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> !find kubuntu-restricted
[18:15] <ubot3> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:15] <patricc> Dr_Willis: sure. Well it's always the same, the videos are not played at all, but the scroll bar is moving very fast to the end
[18:16] <viktor_> comp froze had to restart x
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> Install that kubuntu-restricted-extras for a start
[18:16] <viktor_> compiz isnt runnin now
[18:16] <viktor_> i want it to run on start up
[18:16] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: why is it in amarok it keeps saying no demux plugin found for me
[18:16] <patricc> Thanks Dr_Willis
[18:17] <eagles0513875> im downloading pkgs that i need and every time at the end it keeps saying ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[18:18] <eagles0513875> !search java ide
[18:18] <ubot3> Found: etiquette, binarydriver, alternatives, keyboard, samba, picard, gtk, terminal, packagingguide, smartphone
[18:18] <eagles0513875> !etiquette
[18:18] <ubot3> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[18:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:18] <eagles0513875> !search ide
[18:19] <eagles0513875> !ide
[18:19] <ubot3> Factoid ide not found
[18:20] <patricc> Dr_Willis: the restricted package did the trick, thanks a lot
[18:20] <hellhound666> i am having trouble getting xbindkeys to autostart.  I have tried creating a symbolic link, a bash script, and copying the program all to the Autostart kde folder.  I do not have anything else in the folder, but for some reason it will not start unless I manually go the folder and double click on the link/script/program
[18:22] <dthacker> I've just done a fresh install of gutsy on my laptop, and it does not recognize the hardwired ethernet port.  How can I get it to see that port to pull security updates?
[18:27] <ksivaji> !wacoms
[18:27] <ubot3> Factoid wacoms not found
[18:27] <^Costeno^> ESPAÑOL?
[18:27] <ksivaji> !wacom
[18:27] <ubot3> Factoid wacom not found
[18:27] <dthacker> !es | ^Costeno^
[18:27] <ubot3> ^Costeno^: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:28] <^Costeno^> thanks
[18:28] <AmyRose> I'm trying to do an assignment for a computer class in OpenOffice.org and need some help. It's asking me to make my spreadsheet cell width 80, and the directions were written for Excel. Does anyone here know how to translate that into a real-world measurement like inches or mm?
[18:28] <neighborlee> Im a bit dissapointed how convulted this whole 'how to playack encripted dvd' thing seems to be..I get that its 'illegal' in most areas but EU ( go THEM <G> ), but really this is a sad deal...a 'windows friendly' friend could n ot figure it out and asked for my help..Im embarrased to tell her just how  convulted the process really is ;)
[18:29]  * AmyRose hates Excel...
[18:29] <neighborlee> maybe lin/freespire is right about just paying and getting over with it already I dont know ;)).....patents are such lovely ecnomic stimulators aren't they ;)
[18:29] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_Willis :D
[18:30] <ksivaji> my system often hangs after upgrading to gutsy ,Xorg.log says "Cannot open device /dev/input/wacom  No such file or directory"
[18:30] <dthacker> never mind, I had to put in a static address,  I suspect DHCP problems on this network
[18:30] <lovre> how do i make k3b burn mp3 under kubuntu??
[18:31] <lovre> !burn
[18:31] <ubot3> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[18:31] <lovre> !mp3
[18:31] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:31] <dthacker> lovre: you should be able to drag and drop the mp3 files.
[18:31] <ksivaji> even system setting also not working http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdeerrorjr4.png
[18:32] <lovre> it cannot burn mp3, no support, i read somewhere i need to install a plugin but cant find it
[18:33] <flash> anyone here?
[18:33] <frank23> lovre: i think kubuntu-restricted-extras package has the k3b mp3 support
[18:33] <dthacker> ksivaji: I have no idea.
[18:34] <Qrawl> VirtualBox with seamless mode works great
[18:34] <ksivaji> dthacker because of my vga card S3 Unichrome
[18:35] <dthacker> argh, dog wants out. afd
[18:35] <dthacker> afk
[18:35] <eagles0513875> this suxs im having trouble playing audio streams on amarok
[18:35] <ksivaji> !wacom-tools
[18:35] <ubot3> wacom-tools: utilities for wacom tablets and other hid devices. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.7.7.7-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 63 kB, installed size 228 kB
[18:36] <flash> hi, how to install from a tar.bz2 file?
[18:36] <Minataku> !baddevice
[18:36] <ubot3> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[18:36] <eagles0513875> flash: first of all u have to un tar it
[18:37] <flash> what is the command that i have to run
[18:37] <ksivaji> flash first untar that
[18:37] <eagles0513875> flash: its just like in winblows uright click on it and it should have a command to untar
[18:37] <eagles0513875> or extract the tar file
[18:38] <flash> tar zxvf ** ??
[18:38] <ksivaji> flash do right click on that file->Extract here
[18:38] <eagles0513875> i dont know
[18:41] <dthacker> i lost the little icon that shows me my broadcom wireless needs drivers, how do I get that back to load them?
[18:41] <eagles0513875> dthacker: restart x
[18:41] <eagles0513875> other than that i dont know how else to get it back
[18:42] <dthacker> eagles0513875: let's give it a shot
[18:42] <eagles0513875> dthacker: alright
[18:44]  * dthacker thinks rude thoughts about the new login screen
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> i always install the same kdm theme - so it loooks the same to me. :) heh
[18:46] <eagles0513875> dthacker: did that work
[18:46] <bruno> hi
[18:47] <eagles0513875> what do these mean
[18:47] <eagles0513875> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[18:47] <eagles0513875> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[18:47] <proenca> koxi
[18:47] <bruno> how can I get kde4?
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> just informational messages Eagle_101
[18:47] <dthacker> eagles0513875: yes, now it's asking for the firmware location.  Is that on the CD?
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> oops eagles0513875
[18:47] <eagles0513875> dthacker: i picked the 2nd one
[18:47] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what
[18:47] <fred_84> hi all, i have an issue that it seems it related to kubuntu gutsy. I am tryng to compile KDEBASE from SVN for KDE4 but i have this issue:
[18:47] <fred_84> /opt/kde4/lib/libnepomuk.so: undefined reference to `Soprano::DummyModel::DummyModel()'
[18:47] <fred_84> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[18:47] <fred_84> Linking CXX executable keditbookmarks
[18:47] <fred_84> make[2]: *** [apps/dolphin/src/dolphin] Error 1
[18:47] <fred_84> make[1]: *** [apps/dolphin/src/CMakeFiles/dolphin.dir/all] Error 2
[18:47] <eagles0513875> !pastebin |fred_84
[18:47] <ubot3> fred_84: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 the ldconfig is how the system keeps track of system libraies. I dosent run ldconfig after each package. It does it after all the installs are done. makes it mor eefficneit
[18:48] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: so everything is fine
[18:49] <Minataku> Dr_Willis
[18:49] <Minataku> :3
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 its just informational messages
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> hay Minataku
[18:49] <Minataku> Got a tracking number for me?
[18:49] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what do i have to download to get amarok to stop saying no sutible demux plugin
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> I got the stuff packed up and in the van ane even went to the postoffice.. and they were closed...
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> !find kubuntu-restricted
[18:49] <ubot3> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 that kubuntu-restircted-extras package for a start
[18:49] <eagles0513875> doc is that for me
[18:49] <Minataku> I thought you were going to a UPS store
[18:50] <Minataku> Either way, when you get a chance :3
[18:50] <eagles0513875> ok i downloaded amarok extra codecs
[18:50] <Dr_Willis> Minataku yea - they were closed at 3:00 -  due to some guys in HERE keeping me  helping them too long. :)
[18:50] <Dr_Willis> !mp3
[18:50] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:50] <bruno> !find kde4
[18:50] <ubot3> Found: kde4-style-qtcurve, kde4accessibility, kde4accessibility-data, kde4addons, kde4addons-data (and 34 others)
[18:50] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if the kubuntu Faq has been updated for gutsy yet
[18:50] <Minataku> Haha
[18:50] <Minataku> I asked first, they can wait
[18:50] <Minataku> XD
[18:50] <bruno> !mp3
[18:50] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:51] <eagles0513875> !libxine extra codecs
[18:51] <ubot3> eagles0513875: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:51] <eagles0513875> doc is the libxine extra codecs pkg still around in gutsy
[18:52] <dthacker> yeesh, saving network settings is taking awhile
[18:52] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: that still didnt work
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> I would say check the kubuntu faq guide - it used to state the exact package that needed to be installed
[18:53] <imbrandon> eagles0513875, its renamed to libxine1-* , split out into diffrent codecs, you probably are looking for libxine1-ffmpeg
[18:53] <eagles0513875> imbrandon: ty
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> I just take a shotgun approach and isntgall about everything. :)
[18:54] <eagles0513875> i already have it installed and in amarok with the streams keeps saying no demux plugin
[18:55] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ive tried that and ive broken stuff lol
[18:55] <dthacker> ha, i killed system settings.
[18:55] <eagles0513875> dthacker: were u able to get that stuff setup
[18:55] <dthacker> nope
[18:56] <dthacker> argh, reboot time
[18:56] <eagles0513875> good luck
[18:56] <eagles0513875> this is really pissing me off
[18:56] <dthacker> I don't expect it to work.  It's more of an academic excersise
[18:57] <eagles0513875> oh lol
[18:57] <eagles0513875> im dying to test out my wifi on monday at school lol
[18:58] <ksivaji> Dr_Willis     dthacker   eagles0513875  please help me my system often hangs it seems no 3D support  http://pastebin.com/f52c09668
[19:00] <dthacker> ksivaji: I do not know how to help you, sorry
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> ksivaji and whats your video card?
[19:00] <ksivaji> Dr_Willis
[19:00] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ lspci | grep -i vga
[19:00] <ksivaji> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
[19:00] <eagles0513875> im so proud of myself
[19:00] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:01] <ksivaji> i have opechrome installed already
[19:01] <eagles0513875> did a sucessful upgrade from feisty to gutsy
[19:01] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> can somebody help me with my internet being slow when i have fast internet
[19:01] <ksivaji> eagles0513875 ya no problem with upgrade
[19:01]  * dthacker hands eagles0513875 a congratulatory beverage of choice
[19:01] <ksivaji> AT0M1CB0MB3R dont use konqueror for browsing
[19:01] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ksivaji: i use mozilla
[19:02] <ksivaji> AT0M1CB0MB3R have you tried bandwidth test
[19:02] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ksivaji: ill try one
[19:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:03] <ksivaji> Dr_Willis any idea
[19:03] <ksivaji> are you mad
[19:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ksivaji: http://www.speedtest.net/result/196560166.png
[19:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i usually have faster download spped
[19:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> speed
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure that a S3 has much 3d support even under windows. :)
[19:05] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> like 10000
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> brb
[19:05] <princeodd> hello, ive got a toshiba tecra laptap, trying to install kubuntu Feisty Fawn.  during install the partition screen is empty during maunal setup.  i have an empty partition (8.5 gig), should it be formatted in a specific way?
[19:06] <ksivaji> Dr_Willis ya but now with gutsy its very worst often hangs i have switchoff and switchon no other way
[19:06] <Dr_willis_> ksivaji,  i would have to say check the ubuntu forums for that specific card. Ive no experience with them
[19:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ksivaji: so your going to pull a doctor willis and not answer me right
[19:07] <ksivaji> AT0M1CB0MB3R what is the bandwidth you are suppose to get
[19:07] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  am I under some obligation to anwer you? Dident think so.
[19:08] <viktor_> how to check desktop resoultion
[19:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: well you didnt answer ksivaji thats why i said that to him
[19:09] <sub[t]rnl> viktor_: start->system settings-> monitors and display
[19:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ksivaji: im suppose to get 10000 for my downlaod but my uploads right
[19:09] <Dr_willis_> i did answer him.
[19:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: after he told you to answer him
[19:09] <DeadJones> i had 1680x1050 sort of working (22" wide lcd) but the screen was split, wrap around.  the first 6 inches of the screen were actually the last 6, with a vertical bar representing the border
[19:10] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  whatever..
[19:10] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[19:10] <sub[t]rnl> atomic, shutup
[19:10] <Dr_willis_> pluse i did reboot/change machines between his replies
[19:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> sub[t]rnl: no
[19:10] <ksivaji> AT0M1CB0MB3R i dont know why i am getting almost 98% bandwidth for me
[19:11] <viktor_> how to donwload firefox for kubuntu
[19:11] <fred_84> viktor_: apt-get install firefox
[19:12] <Dr_willis_> with a sudo at the front. :)
[19:12] <fred_84> ;) yes
[19:12] <Dr_willis_> check out the tools/addons menu item also - it has a ubuntu specific feature now as well. :)
[19:12] <Dr_willis_> lets you get some things  easier to enhance firefox
[19:12] <bipolar> princeodd: when you say it's empty, do you mean it doesn't show  the drive at all, or it doesn't show any partitions on the drive?
[19:13] <princeodd> bipolar: it doesnt show the drive at all
[19:13] <dthacker> I've installed the broadcom firmware on my laptop, and the card is now showing enabled in System Settings -> Network Settings.  I attemp to set the card to DCHP but the reloading process hangs?  How can I troubleshoot this?
[19:13] <samuk> algum br?
[19:14] <samuk> i need help
[19:14] <hexkubuntu> I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy but it fails with this error: http://pastebin.com/m401be233 ...how do I resolve that error?
[19:14] <samuk> what is the su password?!?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> !broadcom | dthacker
[19:15] <ubot3> dthacker: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:15] <dthacker> samuk: the su password is the password you set when you started your install
[19:15] <Dr_willis_> well thats the 'sudo' password
[19:15] <hexkubuntu> please help
[19:15] <Dr_willis_> su - dosent have a password. that would be the root password.
[19:17] <hexkubuntu> I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy but it fails with this error: http://pastebin.com/m401be233 ...how do I resolve that error?
[19:17] <sub[t]rnl> hexkubuntu: alternate cd image?
[19:17] <hexkubuntu> sub[t]rnl: correct
[19:17] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[19:18] <sub[t]rnl> try this sudo umount /media/Ubuntu\ 7.10\ i386/
[19:18] <DeadJones> i cant get a res above 1440x900/60.  1440x1050 does work but i gotta scroll up and down on screen to see it all.
[19:18] <sub[t]rnl> then: sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
[19:18] <DeadJones> is there no way to get 1680x1050 working?
[19:18] <dthacker> wow, the network reload locked up the machine.   No wireless this release.
[19:18] <Dr_willis_> DeadJones,  that sounds like your monitor is only set to show the lower res. You are getting a 'virtual' screen with panning effect.
[19:19] <Dr_willis_> DeadJones,  you are using a lcd monitor? what sort of conector?
[19:19] <hexkubuntu> sub[t]rnl: thanks but that error still occurs
[19:20] <DeadJones> dvi on a 22" viewsonic
[19:20] <hexkubuntu> the problem seems to be that /dists doesn't exist
[19:20] <hexkubuntu> on the cd
[19:21] <sub[t]rnl> odd that you can't get the auto installer to appear
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> DeadJones,  Hmm.. May want to check out the !fixres factoid. There may be some  settings/tool you need to tweak. With dvi - the system 'should' be getting the proper info from the monitor
[19:22] <kaihnn> Hola....
[19:22] <BluesKaj> DeadJones, what graphics card ...perhaps the driver has to be configged to write the settings to the xorrg file
[19:22] <DeadJones> pny verto geforce fx5900
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> DeadJones,  if using nvidia - i DO rember that you had to use the nvidia drivers for it to get/set the res's right
[19:24] <DeadJones> ive tried the legacy drivers, newer and latest. the latest gives more problems than its worth. the legacy give max 1280x.
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> hexkubuntu: try gksudo "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade”
[19:24] <samuk> i need g++ to complet install of amsn 0.97...
[19:24] <Webbmaster> hi
[19:24] <Webbmaster> why might i get Error -artsmessage?
[19:25] <sub[t]rnl> samuk: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[19:25] <DeadJones> according to kcontrol ive got the nvidia drivers in use
[19:25] <viktor_> how can i get vlc for kubuntu
[19:26] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install vlc
[19:26] <Webbmaster> http://pastebin.ca/751774
[19:27] <Webbmaster> can anyone explain whats wrong
[19:27] <Webbmaster> i think its permissions
[19:27] <samuk> what is apt-get install?
[19:27] <hexkubuntu> that worked thanks sub[t]rnl
[19:27] <sub[t]rnl> hexkubuntu: good deal
[19:27] <DeadJones> the 1440x900 isnt bad. lots better than 1280x1024
[19:27] <Webbmaster> samuk: its a command line program, you could use adept instead
[19:28] <sub[t]rnl> Webbmaster: what are you running to produce this error message?
[19:28] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: nothing, as far as i can tell, it just pops up when i log in
[19:29] <combinio> how can convert *.avi movies to DVD format ??
[19:29] <Webbmaster> ive had it several times, it seems to be when i log out of one user and log into another
[19:29] <Webbmaster> also, because of the problem with sound games will not start
[19:30] <samuk> i need help in portuguese ... i speak low in english
[19:30] <Reverend> Hello
[19:30] <samuk> algum brasileiro aeeeeeeeee?!?
[19:30] <Webbmaster> !pt | samuk
[19:30] <ubot3> samuk: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[19:32] <samuk> !pt
[19:32] <ubot3> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[19:32] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: any idea what the problem is?
[19:32] <sub[t]rnl> sorry, had to get some coffee
[19:32] <Webbmaster> lol okay
[19:32] <samuk> #ubunto-br
[19:32] <stdin> samuk: /join #ubuntu-br
[19:33] <sub[t]rnl> Webbmaster: let me look around, sec
[19:33] <Webbmaster> okay
[19:34] <jhutchins> !loopback
[19:34] <ubot3> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[19:36] <patricc> So I have gutsy gibbon..but where are the fancy compiz effects? :)
[19:36] <Webbmaster> patricc: kubuntu gutsy?
[19:36] <sub[t]rnl> Webbmaster: hrm, not sure
[19:36] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz | patricc
[19:36] <ubot3> patricc: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:36] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: rite
[19:36] <patricc> Webbmaster: yes
[19:37] <patricc> this is a guide for feisty
[19:37] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: any idea what sound thing it is, is it to do with alsa for example
[19:37] <Webbmaster> patricc: oh, anyway its not in by default but is in repos
[19:38] <patricc> ah!
[19:38] <Webbmaster> so you should be able to find it in you package manager
[19:38] <sub[t]rnl> Webbmaster: not sure if its a kernel module that is having problems or what.  You said you see the error message when you boot?
[19:38] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: when i log in, i get a pop up window saying it
[19:38] <Webbmaster> this is when i log in, after having logged out of someone else
[19:38] <Webbmaster> never happens when i am the first one on
[19:40] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, so its not letting you share the device?
[19:40] <sub[t]rnl> apparently
[19:40] <Webbmaster> sthg like that, i think
[19:40] <Webbmaster> but i only have one person logged on at once
[19:40] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> swjrijdshaksdaknsdlfdsklfjksdjfkdsjf i fixed my problem
[19:40] <bruno> !xvid
[19:40] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:40] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: hmmm, actually i think i have someone logged on to tty1 text mode, but not doing anything
[19:41] <sub[t]rnl> yeah that shouldn't matter
[19:41] <Webbmaster> ctrl+alt+f1 just shows a blank screen for some reason
[19:41] <sub[t]rnl> yeah that has to do with the gutsy kernel and framebuffering
[19:41] <Webbmaster> ok nvm
[19:42] <Webbmaster> but anyway, you the sound device isn't sharing?
[19:42] <Webbmaster> is that normal?
[19:42] <sub[t]rnl> i've never ran into this one
[19:43] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: its prolly because its hardware specific _and_ it only applies to sytems with multiple users
[19:43] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: which sound thing is having the problem tho?
[19:43] <Webbmaster> because i can play a file with mplayer
[19:43] <DeadJones> i thought compiz puts metalcity by default?
[19:43] <DeadJones> sucker cant find it
[19:44] <Dr_willis_> DeadJones,  ive heard someone else say that.. i do NOT think thats a correct statement
[19:44] <Dr_willis_> compiz replaces metacity i belive
[19:44] <DeadJones> i guess no biggie. compiz would prolly just piss me off anyway
[19:44] <sub[t]rnl> correct
[19:44] <Webbmaster> Dr_willis_: i thought emerald actually replaced metacity
[19:44] <Webbmaster> compiz ftw
[19:44] <sub[t]rnl> emerald is the decorator for compiz
[19:45] <Webbmaster> hmmm
[19:45] <sub[t]rnl> anyway, i'm stuck on your sound issue webb
[19:45] <rickey> i have a question  ,i have downlooooaded some music in amule it is  compelete ,how do i move it to a audio player so i can listen to it
[19:45] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: so, you don't even know what program is having the proglem?
[19:46] <sub[t]rnl> newp :/
[19:46] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: is it kubuntu specific dyou think, or should i try #ubuntu ?
[19:46] <sub[t]rnl> that doesn't sound like anything with kde, so yeah try there
[19:46] <sub[t]rnl> or maybe even ##linux
[19:46] <Dr_willis_> heh. ##linux is always fun..
[19:47] <Webbmaster> lol yeah
[19:47] <Webbmaster> anyway
[19:47]  * Webbmaster to food
[19:47] <sub[t]rnl> wild bunch in there
[19:47] <setuid_w00t> I upgraded to Gutsy recently and now when I do try to hibernate, my system hangs.  Has anyone heard of this before?  How can I debug this?
[19:47] <Webbmaster> i might see you in a bit
[19:47] <sub[t]rnl> be sure to bring a friend
[19:47] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: lol
[19:47] <rickey> ok can someone give  me some input please
[19:48] <sub[t]rnl> rickey: just open the file location from your audio player
[19:48] <rickey> and?
[19:49] <rickey> if i knew what to do i wouldnt ask
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> setuid_w00t: what video card?
[19:50] <rickey> sub i dont know anymore then wen you started
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> rickey: eh?
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> started what?
[19:50] <rickey> your anwser
[19:50] <princeodd> when you load kubuntu live boot cd, if you open qtparted, will it normally show you your hard drives?
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> rickey: your trying to play the music you downloaded?
[19:51] <rickey> yes
[19:51] <sub[t]rnl> rickey: just open the file location from your audio player
[19:51] <rickey>  it,s in amule
[19:51] <rickey> how do you do that
[19:51] <sub[t]rnl> open up whatever audio player you use, then file->open-> and browse to the location of the music you downloaded
[19:51] <setuid_w00t> sub[t]rnl: It's an ATI Radeon 9600 pro.
[19:52] <sub[t]rnl> setuid_w00t: ah ha, theres a known issue with the ati binaries and the gutsy kernel
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> amule has a download directory - set some where in its settings..  (never used amule, so i dont know its defaults)
[19:52] <rickey> ok where do i find amule in all of those files
[19:52] <lukskrodz> hi, i got some problems with repozytories in kubuntu. I try to install it, but, when i want to start download "aplly changes" my adept manager stuck on 25% "Waiting on headers" Did anyone know what i should do?
[19:52] <setuid_w00t> sub[t]rnl: Can I read about this anywhere?
[19:52] <sub[t]rnl> setuid_w00t: http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579781&page=5
[19:53] <Dr_Willis> isent there a search feature now in the kde menus? strigi?
[19:53] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[19:53] <jpnurmi> hi. i managed to boot kubuntu gutsy installer (alternative) from an usb-stick but i was unable to mount the usb-stick on /cdrom. this is what i got: "mount: Mounting /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 on /cdrom failed: No such device"
[19:53] <setuid_w00t> sub[t]rnl: Thanks!
[19:53] <jpnurmi> i was following these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[19:53] <princeodd> if not in qtparted, should i see my drives/partitions in disk and filesystems during liveboot cd?
[19:54] <sub[t]rnl> um, yeah you should see your drives/partitions if you have created them.  But if you havn't yet, and your just running of the live cd, then no
[19:55] <sub[t]rnl> sudo fdisk -l
[19:55] <princeodd> sub[t]rnl: that should show my partitions during liveboot, prior to kubuntu install?
[19:56] <sub[t]rnl> no, you will get to the partition making once you begin the install of kubuntu
[19:57] <adam__> hi
[19:57] <lukskrodz>  ## Add comments (##) in front of any line to remove it from being checked.
[19:58] <lukskrodz> ## Use the following sources.list at your own risk.
[19:58] <adam__> how can i fix dpkg error which tells that it's used by another process
[19:58] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom for the OpenWeek Ubuntu Documentation Talk
[19:58] <lukskrodz> ## You may replace "us" with your country code to get the closest mirror.
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[19:58] <princeodd> sub[t]rnl: gotcha, what im running into is, when i go through install, at partition setup, it doesn't show any drives/partitions, so i was trying to see if i could view them a different way
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[19:58] <lukskrodz> ## MAJOR BUG FIX UPDATES produced after the final release
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[19:58] <sub[t]rnl> !pastbin | lukskrodz
[19:58] <ubot3> Factoid pastbin not found
[19:58] <lukskrodz> ## UBUNTU SECURITY UPDATES
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[19:58] <sub[t]rnl> !paste bin
[19:58] <ubot3> Factoid paste bin not found
[19:58] <sub[t]rnl> poo
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[19:58] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[19:58] <semistud2354> im in a bit of a tangle...i partitioned my hardrive so that i can install gutsy.... and transfer files....it worked but now i dont know how to delete the other partition
[19:58] <lukskrodz> ## UNIVERSE AND MULTIVERSE REPOSITORY (Unsupported by Ubuntu.  Use at own risk.)
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[19:59] <sahin_h> !pastes
[19:59] <ubot3> Factoid pastes not found
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[19:59] <lukskrodz> ## BACKPORTS REPOSITORY (Unsupported.  May contain illegal packages.  Use at own risk.)
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[19:59] <lukskrodz>  ## PLF REPOSITORY (Unsupported.  May contain illegal packages.  Use at own risk.)
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free
[19:59] <lukskrodz> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free
[19:59] <nixternal> lol
[19:59] <semistud2354> is there a program that can make my current gutsy partition the length of the entire hardrive
[20:00] <adam__> there was an option that fixes dpkg... it was --reconfigure... or so?
[20:00] <sub[t]rnl> ah, sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock && dpkg --configure -a
[20:01] <semistud2354> im in a bit of a tangle...i partitioned my hardrive so that i can install gutsy.... and transfer files....it worked but now i dont know how to delete the other partition
[20:01] <semistud2354> is there a program that can make my current gutsy partition the length of the entire hardrive
[20:01] <lesik> гггг
[20:01] <lesik> эм
[20:01] <lesik> что десь происходит
[20:01] <Minataku> !ru
[20:01] <ubot3> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[20:01] <lesik> #ubuntu
[20:01] <semistud2354> i tryed using the qtparted thing on the kubuntu install cd but it says my hardrive was locked??
[20:02] <Dr_Willis> locked? Hmm. you may of needed to run gparted with 'sudo gparted'
[20:06] <semistud2354> i tryed that
[20:06] <semistud2354> but on the cd...i guess it doesnt allow you to edit other partitions
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> ive edited all my drives from the live cd.
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> You cant edit MOUNTED drives
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> that might be the issue
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> but i though the live cd dident automount the hds
[20:07] <semistud2354> thats what i thought
[20:08] <Dr_Willis> Ive also found the 'gparted live cd' to be very handy tool to have. It boots a bit faster then the ubuntu live cd's
[20:08] <semistud2354> i tryed unmounting them
[20:08] <semistud2354> in the live cd they said the were already unmounted
[20:08] <mulander> kopete still crashing?
[20:08] <semistud2354> sudo umount /dev/hda1
[20:08] <mulander> btw hi all
[20:11] <jpatrick> mulander: fixed and in -updates
[20:12] <mulander> jpatrick: thx checking
[20:14] <mulander> jpatrick: weird, I'm running kubuntu 7.10 all updates are done but kopete still crashes during launch (as in no response from the application, have to kill it with ctrl + alt + esc)
[20:14] <mulander> am  I missing something?
[20:14] <semistud2354> does anyone know how to unlock a locked hardrive....so that i can partition it back to the entire length of my hardrive
[20:14] <semistud2354> cuz im using only 50 gb with sux balls
[20:14] <jpatrick> mulander: that's odd, tried updating recently?
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> semistud2354,  try the gparted live cd. Ive never heard of a hard drive being 'locked'
[20:15] <ylz> Hello!
[20:15] <mulander> jpatrick: updated today right after I returned home from a business trip .
[20:15] <ylz> May I ask a question to gutsy?
[20:16] <jpatrick> mulander: do you have gutsy-updates in your sources.list?
[20:16] <mulander> I see the kopete main window, but it's 'frozen' and insted of account icons I see a window icon with an x on it (all my account work, checked on another im)
[20:16] <ylz> whatever x server is running, I cannot use 3d-desktop (because of lame hardware). How do I disable the 3d things?
[20:16] <mulander> jpatrick: hold on a second, checking
[20:16] <mulander> jpatrick: yes, gutsy-updates restricted main multiverse universe is unhashed in the sources.list
[20:17] <jpatrick> mulander: gutsy-proposed?
[20:17] <rickey> anyone here uses a mule?
[20:17] <mulander> jpatrick: proposed updates are not enabled
[20:17] <jpatrick> mulander: try that
[20:17] <mulander> ok :)
[20:17] <jpatrick> that's where they go before->updates
[20:21] <mulander> jpatrick: added proposed updates, already refreshed the updates list, but I don't see any kopete updates on it.
[20:21] <jpatrick> mulander: it's not a kopete problem, it was something to do with kdelibs
[20:22] <sub[t]rnl> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[20:22] <mulander> jpatrick: ok I'll try running the updates and will give feedback in a moment :) thanks for the help.
[20:22] <awag> sigh....  anyone know what on earth could be wrong. When I install a fresh copy of kubuntu 7.10 from cd on a dif harddrive on this system, my geforce 6600 works fine using the nvidia drivers, but when i try to use the nvidia drivers on this install on the same system, it doesn't work
[20:22] <awag> i've  even copied the same xorg.conf from my other install on this system
[20:22] <awag> and it still doesn't work
[20:23] <cybrhuman> hi, I am trying to squeeze some more battery time out of my laptop, And a tip now is to enable HPET to lower the wakeups per second, but I dont know if my laptop got the timer. would someone please help?
[20:25] <redheat> guys how do download and install KDE into gutsy gibbon just the command please
[20:26] <redheat> and of course hi to you all
[20:26] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <ylz> redheat: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <redheat> thank you Riddell and Ylz, thank you guys truely appreciate it
[20:28] <prist> buonasera
[20:28] <prist> un'info se possibile
[20:28] <prist> ho appena installato kubuntu
[20:28] <prist> forse non ho fatto caso
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> !es | prist
[20:28] <ubot3> prist: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[20:29] <prist> ma la pw da admin non la so
[20:29] <prist> ops
[20:29] <prist> no italian?
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> !it
[20:29] <ubot3> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[20:29] <prist> tanks
[20:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how can i make konverstation transparent
[20:34] <ghostcube> hi folks
[20:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how can i get drag racerv3 to work on linux
[20:34] <ghostcube> anyone knows why on feisty and kde 3.5.8 systemsettings crashes ??
[20:35] <Timsen> ghostcube you tried kcontrol instead as a test?
[20:35] <ghostcube> yep working
[20:35] <nite613_1> Hi there, I'm looking for pointers about sound on kubuntu. I've found that is artsd ("The KDE Sound System") is running, then no other alsa programs (pretty much everything) will work well. When I turn off artsd, my terminal bell turns into a very loud and ugly buzzer. Is there a way I can get a sane terminal bell, some support for KDE sounds, AND software that's not written for artsd all at the same time?
[20:35] <cybrhuman> do anyone know how I can find out whether my laptop has HPET timer or not?
[20:35] <ghostcube> it strated after updating from 3.5.7
[20:36] <ghostcube> maybe  i missed something ?
[20:36] <hexkubuntu> how come if(`md5 /mount/path`==`md5 /mount/path`){echo yes;} doesn't work?
[20:36] <ghostcube> everything else is fine as expected
[20:36] <hexkubuntu> basically I'm trying to get terminal to checksum two drives and compare them for me
[20:37] <hexkubuntu> but that fails with bash: syntax error near unexpected token `{echo'
[20:37] <hexkubuntu> anyone got a idea?
[20:40] <Dr_Willis> this is a script?
[20:40] <Dr_Willis> be sure its starting with #!/bin/bash not /bin/sh for a start.
[20:41] <Morgwyr> If I'm new to Kubuntu (and mostly Linux in general) where's a good guide or helpful website to start delving into it all?
[20:42] <poison--> !envy
[20:42] <ubot3> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[20:42] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu/ubuntu homepage has several starter guides/wikis
[20:42] <ghostcube> boa<h dobnt use envy
[20:42] <ghostcube> never
[20:42] <Dr_Willis> Morgwyr,  tldp.org has a lot of guides also.
[20:42] <Dr_Willis> :)
[20:42] <ghostcube> same for autom,atix
[20:42] <poison--> i dont use it
[20:44] <bjwebb> hi
[20:45] <Webbmaster> sub[t]rnl: hi
[20:45] <bjwebb> sub[t]rnl: hi :D
[20:45] <sub[t]rnl> greets
[20:46] <bjwebb> its interesting i fixed the problem by loggging in as the previous user and logging out proberly
[20:46] <sub[t]rnl> the sound troubles?
[20:46] <bjwebb> yup
[20:46] <sub[t]rnl> nice
[20:46] <rumzais> #muenchen
[20:46] <bjwebb> i get the problem when someone presses ctrl+alt+backspace instead of logging out
[20:46] <Dr_Willis> thats disable in the xorg.conf file
[20:47] <bjwebb> so i can still reproduce it, and we don't know what's causing it :S
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> 'nozap' i think is the option
[20:47] <bjwebb> Dr_Willis: you talking to me?
[20:47] <travis> any one know of a driver i can get for an HD Radeon 2600 ATI card to get 7.10 to run with 3D graphics
[20:47] <travis> ?
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> sounds liuke some sort of lock file.  not getting cleared out.
[20:47] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_Willis: you use ati? or nvidia
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> 'nozap' i think disalbes - the alt-ctrl-backspace Fast X exit.
[20:47] <Dr_Willis> sub[t]rnl,  nvidia
[20:47]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[20:48] <sub[t]rnl> !ati
[20:48] <ubot3> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:48] <bjwebb> Dr_Willis: what if i get something frozen?
[20:48] <sub[t]rnl> travis: we need to take another shot at that
[20:48] <Dr_Willis> bjwebb,  yep. thats the tradeoff.
[20:48] <dope> i need some free software to burn an iso to a dvd in windows
[20:48] <poncho> mujeres
[20:48] <Dr_Willis> bjwebb,  ssh in  and restart X i guess
[20:48] <dope> taking recommendations
[20:49] <ghostcube> hmm so noone has the same prob
[20:49] <bjwebb> Dr_Willis: only one internet pc
[20:49] <ghostcube> as i have
[20:49] <Dr_Willis> dope,  burnatonce,
[20:49] <travis> <sub[t]nl yes we do
[20:49] <ghostcube> hmmm
[20:49] <dope> thank you
[20:49] <Dr_Willis> dope,  theres several others  also.  i forget theior names
[20:49] <bjwebb> mind you would sys_rq + k work
[20:49] <travis> lol
[20:49] <Dr_Willis> finalburner can do it - but it sort of sucks
[20:49] <sub[t]rnl> dope: tovid is a nice suit
[20:49] <dope> i just want to burn an ISO to a dvd
[20:49] <dope> that's it
[20:49] <sub[t]rnl> dope: also k3b
[20:49] <dope> in windows
[20:49] <sub[t]rnl> ...
[20:50] <dope> i would use k3b but my kubuntu installed is fubared
[20:50] <dope> and i'd use a live cd but i gave it to my friend
[20:50] <bjwebb> Dr_Willis: how could i tell which lock file is the problem?
[20:50] <dope> bjwebb: look at the permissions
[20:51] <Dr_Willis> bjwebb,  no idea there. Try running an app from a terminal and see if it spits out any error messages?
[20:51] <dope> bjwebb: ls -l <directory>
[20:51] <Dr_Willis> lsof /dev/audio perhaps
[20:51] <Dr_Willis> Ive rarely ever had any sound problems
[20:51] <bjwebb> hmmm
[20:52] <sub[t]rnl> !fglrx
[20:52] <ubot3> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:52] <dope> I have an odd sound problem in kubuntu 7.04
[20:52] <dope> my line is is all garbaly
[20:52] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_Willis: hey you any of the regulars that uses an ati card and compiz?
[20:52] <sub[t]rnl> trying to think
[20:52] <sparr> can anyone recommend a pager that can deal well with a large number of virtual desktops?
[20:53] <ghostcube> skype
[20:53] <ghostcube> ^^
[20:53] <bjwebb> sub[t]rnl: i have ati card + compiz but with open source driver
[20:53] <Dr_Willis> sparr,  whats a large #? ive never had any issues with the normal kde pager
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> bjwebb: ok, whats the driver called?
[20:53] <bjwebb> ati iirc
[20:53] <sparr> Dr_Willis: 500, for example.
[20:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. im not sure that burnat once can do DVD's without some estra tools installed.
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[20:54] <Dr_Willis> sparr,  dare we ask What you are doing that needs more then  say 10 or so
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> bjwebb: do lspci |grep VGA fro me
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> for*
[20:54] <sparr> Dr_Willis: you daren't
[20:54] <Dr_Willis> good luck then. have fun.
[20:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[20:54] <bjwebb> sub[t]rnl: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, travis's won't even show up
[20:55] <mulander> jpatrick: thx, kopete seems to work now.
[20:56] <travis> Sysinfo for 'travis-desktop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4400+ at 2310 MHz (4621 bogomips), , RAM: 573/2015MB, 110 proc's, 13.56min up
[20:57] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[20:57] <sub[t]rnl> your on a beast
[20:57] <cybrhuman> What do I have to do to enable HPET in kubuntu?
[20:57] <travis> i know lol
[20:58] <ole> Hello room. since i upgraded to gutsy, i can't play .wma files anymore in amarok and xine. libxine1-ffmpeg is installed. any ideas?
[20:58] <ghostcube> w32codecs
[20:59] <ghostcube> or thze extra codecs
[20:59] <hangthedj> ole, try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:59] <rumzais> join muenchen
[20:59] <ghostcube> libxine-extracodecs
[21:00] <ole> libxine-extracodecs disappeared in gutsy
[21:00] <ole> w64codecs (im on 64 bit) are installed, as well as kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:01] <ole> (but libxine-extracodecs was only a metapackage depending on libxine1-ffmpeg)
[21:02] <sparr> will compiz-fusion be ready for kde in ubuntu any time soon?
[21:02] <ghostcube> sparr: compiz is running here
[21:02] <ghostcube> perfectly
[21:02] <hangthedj> sparr, i'm using it right now
[21:03] <sparr> and beryl is running here
[21:03] <sparr> im not asking about compiz or beryl, i asking about compiz-fusion
[21:03] <sub[t]rnl> compiz is compiz fusion now
[21:03] <ghostcube> i  run fusion guy
[21:03] <sub[t]rnl> and yes its ready
[21:03] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz
[21:03] <ubot3> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:03] <ghostcube> im fusion support
[21:03] <ghostcube> so what
[21:03] <hangthedj> ole, do you have libxine1-plugins?
[21:03] <ghostcube> ^^
[21:04] <ole> yes @ hangthedj
[21:04] <ghostcube> hangthedj: he need extra plugs
[21:04] <ghostcube> maybe try thefeisty deb
[21:04] <hangthedj> hmm, i had this problem when i installed the first beta of gutsy, but i don't remember how i fixed it.
[21:04] <hangthedj> i think i just searched for codec and installed everything i found.
[21:04] <hangthedj> w64codecs would do it probably.
[21:05] <ghostcube> what does apt-cache search libxine do
[21:05] <sparr> if its ready, why wasnt it in gutsy?
[21:05] <ghostcube> sparr: its not in kubuntu its in ubuntu
[21:05] <sparr> ghostcube: searches your apt cache for 'libxine' in package names and descriptions
[21:05] <sparr> yes, im well aware of that
[21:05] <ghostcube> sparr: i asked ole
[21:05] <ghostcube> lol
[21:06] <ole> i got all of that installed
[21:06] <sparr> going to try installing compiz-fusion again
[21:06] <mo_> hi, folks my vim-folding doesen't work anymore since I upgraded to gutsy, does anyone of you have the same problem?
[21:07] <ghostcube> sparr: u need the officiaöl repos
[21:07] <ghostcube> not trevcs repo
[21:07] <ghostcube> its not working in gutsy
[21:07] <ghostcube> if u use eycandy 3vino
[21:07] <ghostcube> no way
[21:07] <ghostcube> trev is going to build it by 0.70 compiz release
[21:07] <rickey> is there anyone here ,rigth now that  uses amule
[21:07] <sparr> i use a mule
[21:08] <rickey> are you willing to help a newbie
[21:08] <ghostcube> ole: have u installed libxine-extracodes ?
[21:08] <ghostcube> have u tried toplay the wma in totwm or xmms
[21:08] <ghostcube> if it works
[21:09] <ole> libxine-extracodes doesnt exist anymore in gutsy @ ghostcube
[21:09] <ghostcube> i know
[21:09] <dope> jesus christ i bought the wrong kind of dvds
[21:09] <ghostcube> try the feisty deb
[21:09] <rickey> sparr you must realizes i dont know anything about amule
[21:09] <rickey> i have downloaded some music
[21:10] <rickey>  and i am try ing to move it to a player so i can play it
[21:10] <ole> its only a metapackage depending on libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:10] <rickey>  and i dont know how or where to start
[21:10] <ghostcube> ole maybe its packaged up wrong ^^
[21:10] <ghostcube> u need extra codecs
[21:10] <awag> is there a good way to reinstall all core kubuntu components from CD without reformatting my hdd?
[21:10] <jay__> HI all. New to Ubuntu, just playing with Beryl & other programs for the first time.
[21:11] <jay__> Anyone know where I might be able to find some good user guides for understanding the terminal?
[21:11] <ole> and yes, i can play .wma's in mplayer and xmms, but not in xine and amarok (with the xine-backend)
[21:11] <stdin> jay__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:12] <jay__> Thanks, appreciate it. Finally I've found a way out of Microsoft OS's!
[21:12] <rickey> sparr just tale me to move music from amule to any player step by step
[21:13] <jay__> Also one more question if you don't mind. I've had a very frustrating time trying to download Flash from Adobe's website. Anyone know another site I can get it from?
[21:13] <rickey> it cant be that hard to talk  sommeone thorw it
[21:13] <awag> !seen BigPrick
[21:13] <ubot3> Factoid seen bigprick not found
[21:14] <ole> ok, installed an old libxine-extracodecs now, but that didn't help at all (as i expected) any other ideas?
[21:15] <miles_> LOL
[21:15] <MilesG> i just ran "sudo nmap -O [myserver.com]" and it said it was guessing i was running NT/2K/XP
[21:16] <MilesG> seriously, let me go put on my loller skates
[21:16] <awag> rofl
[21:16] <MilesG> the only thing between my server and the internet is a linksys router...i didnt think they were that good
[21:16] <ghostcube> ole: i think somethings is wrong in the release or in the packages
[21:17] <ole> the decoding of *.wma's in xine should be done by xineplug_dmx_asf.so, right?
[21:18] <rickey> sparr are you going to try to help me or not
[21:18] <MilesG> e
[21:18] <jameswf-home> greetings
[21:19] <zareliman> hi
[21:19] <zareliman> Kubuntu is great, nice work you're doing
[21:19] <jameswf-home> just installed the latest, anything besides dolphin to look at
[21:19] <MilesG> !hi | jameswf-home
[21:19] <ubot3> jameswf-home: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:19] <zareliman> I have a question
[21:19] <MilesG> jameswf-home: installed the latest what?
[21:19] <zareliman> How do you update KDE 3.5.5 to de 4.0 beta3 ?
[21:19] <zareliman> I want to try that stuff
[21:20] <MilesG> zareliman: i wouldnt reccomend switching it, you can create a kde4 session though
[21:20]  * jay__ is very curious why it takes 3 hours to download the flash plugin for Mozilla on his 10 mbp/s connection..
[21:20] <MilesG> there is this link i used, let me find it real quick
[21:20] <rickey> hello
[21:20] <rickey> hey
[21:20] <jameswf-home> gutsy
[21:20] <zareliman> But I don't have the option
[21:21] <zareliman> for another 'session'
[21:21] <zareliman> I can't even use Gnome
[21:21] <zareliman> even if a log out
[21:21] <jameswf-home> gnome is like mac os9 ick
[21:21] <zareliman> I' on 7.04
[21:23] <Angelus> if i use rsync to extract an iso image, would it be the same thing as mounting that iso image, and copy its contents from the mount folder to somewhere else?
[21:23] <MilesG> zareliman: if you press ctrl + alt + backspace (dont do it) it will restart X for you
[21:23] <MilesG> before you log in, you can click on an icon that will allow you to pick a session
[21:23] <jameswf-home> lol @ dont do it
[21:25] <MilesG> zareliman: sorry im having trouble finding it
[21:25] <MilesG> zareliman: do you have the link that tells you how to set up kde 4?
[21:25] <Odd-rationale> Does Kubuntu 7.10 come with compiz-fusion like ubuntu?
[21:25] <MilesG> Odd-rationale: no
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> But I can install it manually, or no.
[21:26] <MilesG> Odd-rationale: you can
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> Thanks!
[21:26] <ghostcube> Odd-rationale: sudo apt-get install compiz-core compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig emerald
[21:26] <ghostcube> should bring it
[21:26] <ole> rad this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php @ zareliman
[21:26] <MilesG> always have to one-up me
[21:26] <ole> read*
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> ghostcube: That's all I need?
[21:26] <MilesG> ole:  thanks thats the link i was looking for
[21:27] <ghostcube> look what it ships with
[21:27] <ghostcube> nornmally it brings the fusion plugin packs with it
[21:27] <MilesG> Odd-rationale: yea, after you do that, you might want to restart X.  to get compiz to run, open up konsole and type "compiz --replace"
[21:27] <ghostcube> and u need fusion-icon
[21:27] <ghostcube> nononono
[21:27] <ghostcube> dont do this
[21:27] <MilesG> ghostcube: ?
[21:27] <ghostcube>  Compiz Fusion Icon is a tray icon that provides quick access to CCSM, Emerald Theme Manager, and basic functions (eg. switching/reloading WMs or WDs). For debian sid users, it is included in shame's repo. To install from GIT, do the following: git clone git://anongit.opencompositing.org/users/crdlb/fusion-icon && cd fusion-icon && sudo make install
[21:28] <ghostcube> before do
[21:28] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get install
[21:28] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get install git-core
[21:28] <ghostcube> ups
[21:28] <jameswf-home> ok so stringi and dolphin any other new toys
[21:29] <MilesG> is dolphin a toy? i didnt really think it was that great
[21:29] <ghostcube> To make beryl start automatically when you log into your KDE session, run « ln -s $(which beryl-manager) ~/.kde/Autostart/ ».
[21:29] <jameswf-home> said toys ! good_toys
[21:29] <ghostcube> oh
[21:29] <ghostcube> old one
[21:30] <ghostcube> To make compiz start automatically when you log into your KDE session, run « ln -s $(which fusion-icon) ~/.kde/Autostart/ ».
[21:30] <ghostcube> ^^
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> OK Let me write all this down...
[21:30] <ole> anyone else had the problem that xine (and amarok in consequence) doesn't play *.wma flies anymore after upgrade?
[21:30] <ole> files*
[21:30] <ghostcube> Odd-rationale: which grafik card
[21:30] <jameswf-home> looking for diff -Naur edgy gutsy
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> What does "$(which fusion-icon)" mean. Do I type it in exactly as you wrote?
[21:32] <ghostcube> ln -s $(which fusion-icon) ~/.kde/Autostart/
[21:32] <ghostcube> yes normally should work
[21:33] <jameswf-home> whats wrong with `
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> OK. Can I find a howto in the wiki or ubuntuforums.org?
[21:33] <jameswf-home> ln -s `which fusion-icon` ~/.kde/Autostart/ << less work
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> That way I can just save the link for when I need it.
[21:34] <Angelus> how do i turn dma on ?
[21:34] <Angelus> :S
[21:34] <ghostcube> #compiz-fusion
[21:34] <ghostcube> :)
[21:34] <ghostcube> wiki.compiz-fusion.org
[21:35] <jameswf-home> http://google.com
[21:35] <ghostcube> ole ole
[21:35] <ghostcube> ^^
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> lol
[21:35] <hangthedj> ln -s `which fusion-icon` ~/.kde/Autostart/fusion-icon
[21:35] <ole> yes?
[21:35] <ghostcube> lol
[21:36] <ghostcube> ln -s /usr/bin/fusion-icon ~/.kde/Autostart/fusion-icon
[21:36] <ghostcube> whats the prob guys
[21:36] <ghostcube> bioah
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> OK thanks for your help! I can always come back here and ask right? :)
[21:37] <ghostcube> Odd-rationale: come to #äcompiz-fusion
[21:37] <ghostcube> Odd-rationale: come to #compiz-fusion
[21:37] <ghostcube> ^^
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> OK. I don't have a machine running kubuntu at the monent (just ubuntu). Just needed to know if it was possible and how. Thanks guys!
[21:41] <vagelisks> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo from greece
[21:42] <vagelisks> is anybodu here
[21:42] <vagelisks> milaei kaneis ellinika?
[21:42] <vzduch> !el | vagelisks
[21:42] <ubot3> vagelisks: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[21:42] <vagelisks> hey
[21:42] <vagelisks> thanks
[21:43] <vagelisks> talk to me please....:P
[21:44] <WaltzingAlong> ok
[21:44] <vagelisks> stop
[21:44] <vagelisks> exit
[21:45] <__alexeev> quit
[21:45] <oficinia> Hola
[21:45] <oficinia> alguien por ahi?
[21:45] <oficinia> tengo una duda
[21:46] <ardchoille> !es | oficinia
[21:46] <ubot3> oficinia: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[21:46] <oficinia> ok gracias
[21:46] <oficinia> bye
[21:46] <solemnwarning> Hi all
[21:47] <solemnwarning> Does Kubuntu handle multiple sound streams in software by default/
[21:48] <even> how kubuntu install video codecs ?
[21:48] <ardchoille> !restrictedformats
[21:48] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:49] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | even
[21:49] <dvayanu> waltzingalong: do you know by chance how to bring ipod touch to work?
[21:50] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: I changed my KDE colour scheme and now all webpages have a grey background, is there any way to prevent this?
[21:50] <dvayanu> with kubuntu
[21:50] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: changing the color scheme again?
[21:51] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: But I dont want all my programs to look light, its a dark colour scheme
[21:51] <reagleBRKLN> i'm trying to build a new kernel on Kubuntu 7.10 for CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G but its crapping out on me: No rule to make target `arch/i386/kernel/asm-offsets.c'
[21:51] <TimS> I dont think I can win this one
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> compiz has that invert feature. :)
[21:51] <reagleBRKLN> i have 4gb i want to use, did this fine with feisty, and no idea what the asm-offsets mean
[21:52] <TimS> Dr_Willis: :P
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> its often so hard to get a decent color scheme going. :)
[21:53] <TimS> I like this one, its just firefox that it doesnt work with
[21:53] <t3ch13> How do I register a nick?
[21:53] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: then you can set gtk apps to use different colors i think
[21:53] <ardchoille> !register | t3ch13
[21:53] <ubot3> t3ch13: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[21:53] <TimS> Ah
[21:54] <TimS> That might work
[21:54] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: kmenu/system settings/appearance/gtk styles and fonts
[21:54] <motiyo> can some one help me with  a wireless connection
[21:56] <jay__> Hm. I finally got Adobe Flash installed but now it's locking up. Is that Synaptic Package Manager the best way to go when downloading plugins?
[21:57] <kona> moi
[21:57] <kona> miten saan kubuntuun asennnuttua x serverin? =E
[21:57] <kona> privateen vastaus kiitos :)
[21:57] <Chousuke> #kubuntu-fi
[21:57] <n8k99> anybody else using Gmail via IMAP in Kmail?
[21:58] <t3ch13> I just converted to Kubuntu from pclos
[21:59] <t3ch13> Anybody know where I can find information on getting a USB Hard Drive (NTFS-3) to work in Kubuntu? It worked in the live cd for Ubuntu
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> t3ch13,  Under gutsy it should popup when you plug it in.
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> if not edit the fstab/use ntfs-3g to enable it
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> sample fstab for mine --> /dev/hda5 /media/winstorage ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> !info ntfs-3g
[22:01] <ubot3> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 28 kB, installed size 132 kB
[22:02] <t3ch13> It pops up but says hal-storeage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[22:06] <thebitguru> Hi, my home drive keeps saying that it is full but when I do a 'du --max-depth=1 -h' the numbers don't add up to the total that it is showing... any ideas on what might be going on here?
[22:07] <solemnwarning> thebitguru: What program says it's full?
[22:08] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: firefox is crashing and amarok prints this if I run through console, and wget won't download a video driver that I need
[22:08] <solemnwarning> What does df -h show?
[22:08] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: same thing, 100% used
[22:08] <solemnwarning> Then your disk is full
[22:08] <solemnwarning> du must be missing somthing
[22:09] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: that's what I am trying to figure what is taking up all the space
[22:09] <solemnwarning> du -chs /home/youruseraccount/*
[22:10] <thebitguru> that is showing 1.9G  for my home folder
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> 5% of a  partition is normally reserved for root/recovery ussage also
[22:10] <thebitguru> let me post the du --max-depth output
[22:10] <solemnwarning> thebitguru: If du doesn't show it as full it's missing somthing
[22:11] <solemnwarning> du -chs /path/* won't miss anything
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> is what i normally use :)
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> but thats a slightly different way i guess
[22:11] <profoX`> Are there many active Kubuntu developers/programmers? (to make sure features stay more or less in sync with Ubuntu/GNOME ?) Because for example restricted-manager made it in late (kubuntu in gutsy, ubuntu in feisty), as well as now the compiz integration in gutsy, which is not available yet for kubuntu in the same way
[22:12] <Tm_T> profoX`: yes, Kubuntu has less developers
[22:12] <thebitguru> http://pastebin.ca/751918
[22:13] <profoX`> Tm_T: I think it's a bit sad that Kubuntu doesn't get the attention it deserves so much :(
[22:13] <Tm_T> profoX`: agreed
[22:13] <thebitguru> if you look at that output, the numbers don't seem to add up to 1.9G
[22:13] <stdin> profoX`: we're looking for volunteers if you want to help
[22:13] <biovore> thebitguru: It because you used the -h option probably..
[22:14] <thebitguru> biovore: but I didn't that -h would cause such discrepancy...?
[22:14] <solemnwarning> du -chs *
[22:15] <biovore> it rounds off the numbers
[22:15] <profoX`> stdin: yes, I really do :) although I'm a bit occupied by other things at the moment
[22:15] <stdin> profoX`: head in to #kubuntu-devel when you have time and have a chat
[22:16] <profoX`> stdin: I'm already there :)
[22:16] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: ok, I think that is showing more :)
[22:16] <stdin> profoX`: but you're not chatting ;)
[22:16] <profoX`> I coughed.
[22:16] <profoX`> :)
[22:16] <thebitguru> http://pastebin.ca/751926
[22:17] <thebitguru> I was thinking 'du --max-depth' would show all files but it wasn't showing the .xsession-errors :)
[22:17] <solemnwarning> Holy crap
[22:17] <thebitguru> yeah, something isn't right :)
[22:17] <solemnwarning> Your /home is only 5.5GiB?
[22:18] <thebitguru> actually /home is only 1.9G
[22:18] <solemnwarning> O_O
[22:18] <thebitguru> I don't know why it is showing 5.5G :)
[22:18] <solemnwarning> How the HELL can you live with so little space?
[22:18] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: I have another partition where I save most of my data
[22:19] <solemnwarning> http://rafb.net/p/1q03q799.html
[22:20] <thebitguru> Nice =D
[22:20] <thebitguru> http://rafb.net/p/U8XQMv43.html
 sparr just tale me to move music from amule to any player step by step
[22:21] <solemnwarning> Tiny ._.
[22:21] <sparr> youd think he would just buy the music to save the trouble  :)
[22:22] <solemnwarning> eeew
[22:22] <solemnwarning> thebitguru: You use NFS?
[22:22] <kristen> Don't suppose anyone could tell me what this means? (graphical glitch) http://buzzhost.org/gamepics/WoW/error01.png
[22:23] <yeo_> kristen, best ask in a more appropriate channel.
[22:24] <yeo_> i assume you are running the game thru wine/cedega?
[22:24] <kristen> Wine (though I tried Cedega and it gives the same)
[22:24] <yeo_> you should go to winehq.org and post there on the appdb
[22:24] <kristen> Thought maybe it was either a wine update or a graphics driver, but I updated both and the problem persists.
[22:24]  * solemnwarning pokes thebitguru
[22:25] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: sorry, I still have the problem so I was checking that out :)
[22:25] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: but yes, I use NFS
[22:25] <awag> is there a way to "reinstall" kubuntu in a repair install type fashion?
[22:25] <solemnwarning> ick, why?
[22:25] <yeo_> kristen, is that the only graphical glitch?
[22:25] <kristen> yeo_: Yes.
[22:25] <fladd> hi there, anyone familiar with gmail?
[22:25] <yeo_> otherwise the game is fine?
[22:25] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: it was easy to setup and this is a home network so I didn't care much about the security part :)
[22:25] <solemnwarning> CIFS has flaws but it's still better then NFS
[22:25] <Angelus> where is filesystem.squashfs in kubuntu gutsy?
[22:26] <JDMT> what are some good games not listed on the Add/Remove list?
 [nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served.  Network FaILurE System.  Never Fscking Stable.  No Fucking Security.  Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'.
[22:26] <kristen> yeo_: Well, it persists ingame - only basic textures, no characters, etc. but it's all the same problem.
[22:26] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: hahaha, I like some of those acronyms :)
[22:26] <solemnwarning> You must be mad to use rw NFS
[22:26] <thebitguru> I was kind of surprised at the security when I was first read about it :)
[22:27] <yeo_> kristen, you should really consult with people on the wine forums/irc
[22:27] <solemnwarning> kristen: #WineHQ
[22:27] <kristen> yeo_: Sure, thanks :)
[22:27] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: solemnwarning hehe, seems like you had trouble with it :)
[22:27] <yeo_> what is the safest network file sharing protocol for linux?
[22:27] <solemnwarning> thebitguru: I've read other people's prblems and ran screaming
[22:27] <JDMT> Fladd what do you need help with?
[22:27]  * solemnwarning only uses it for ro stuff
[22:28] <thebitguru> I am going to restart x, brb
[22:28] <yeo_> kristen, no worries. Blizzard should release a linux native client IMO. its all openGL and there's a mac version...
[22:28]  * yeo_ also only uses nfs for ro
[22:29] <yeo_> i dont like the idea of using samba
[22:29] <yeo_> and ftp isnt seamless enough...
[22:29] <solemnwarning> I use rsync too
[22:29] <lino> hola
[22:29] <BluesKaj> I have an old version of a google earth bin file , which I would like to remove ... how is that done ?
[22:29] <solemnwarning> BluesKaj: How about deleting it?
[22:29] <BonesolTeraDyne> !es | lino
[22:29] <ubot3> lino: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[22:30] <even> where i found kickoff menu for gutsy?
[22:30] <Riddell> even: in svn
[22:30] <solemnwarning> rsync is great for backup servers :)
[22:30] <Riddell> or in the next beta out next week
[22:30] <BluesKaj> err delete a bin file solemnwarning , have you tried ?
[22:30] <thebitguru> solemnwarning: is CIFS a fancy name for SMB?
[22:30] <solemnwarning> BluesKaj: It's a freakin' file
[22:30] <solemnwarning> thebitguru: Pretty much
[22:31] <ocnos> ola
[22:31] <BluesKaj> which needs permissions
[22:33] <thebitguru> yeah, something is up with X because that .xsession-errors file is again up to 800M in a few minutes
[22:33] <fladd> does anyone know a gmail irc channel?
[22:33] <thebitguru> I am going to go checkout what's up with it
[22:34] <ardchoille> fladd: I use gmail in kmail. If that migyht help, join #ardchoille
[22:38] <BluesKaj> solemnwarning, have you tried to actaully delete a bin file ?, If so pls explain how it's done
[22:40] <dsmith_> can you 'startx' from ssh?
[22:41] <fladd> ardchoille: well, I just want to know, how to create a filter that acts on all mails that are forwarded to gmail frtom a certain email account
[22:42] <Ace2016> yea you could but you can't see an xserver on your side, it would be useful if you wanted to see if the xserver starts properly
[22:42] <dsmith_> hmmm
[22:42] <dsmith_> ok..
[22:42] <dsmith_> I'll just stick with vnc then
[22:42] <dsmith_> ssh is hande for other things
[22:42] <dsmith_> *handy
[22:43] <solemnwarning> BluesKaj: It's just a file
[22:43] <solemnwarning> Just delete it like any other file
[22:45] <BluesKaj> sure...
[22:45] <ardchoille> fladd: Oh, no idea
[22:45] <LogicalK> Hey, would anyone bee able to help me with a sound recording issue in skype 1.4
[22:48] <awag> yo bicikli
[22:48] <awag> eer
[22:48] <awag> BigPick,
[22:48] <BigPick> Sup dude!
[22:48] <awag> whats up man
[22:49] <BluesKaj> solemnwarning, you make it sound so easy, but the bin file still runs after deleting it to the trash... any suggestions ? I'd like to install a newer version , but it won't run while the older file is still there
[22:49] <BigPick> How goes the battle :)
[22:49] <awag> interesting news :)
[22:49] <awag> so, last night after you got offline
[22:49] <solemnwarning> BluesKaj: You mean the process is running?
[22:49] <BigPick> awag: Yeah?
[22:49] <igniter> hello
[22:49] <awag> i reinstalled kubuntu 7.10 from cd onto an old harddrive in this machine
[22:49] <BluesKaj> nope , deleting the bin file didn't make any diuff
[22:49] <awag> and everything worked perfectly
[22:49] <awag> nvidia driver and compiz and everything
[22:49] <BigPick> awag: HAHAHA awsome!
[22:50] <solemnwarning> So the process isn't running and the file is in "trash"?
[22:50] <awag> BigPick, i still can't figure out what is wrong with this install though
[22:50] <BigPick> awag: That danged upgrader isn't worth beans man.
[22:50] <awag> BigPick, yeah apparently not
[22:50] <BluesKaj> oh well, stuff to do , I'll deal with it later
[22:50] <igniter> can the tempo be altered in Amarok? If not, any other player that can do it?
[22:50] <awag> BigPick, i think it also might have something to do with that i originally had normal ubuntu on this, and then i switched to kde, and then upgraded with adept to kubuntu 7.10
[22:51] <BigPick> awag: Yeah, there are alot of sources for error in that. :P
[22:51] <awag> BigPick, right now i'm wishing that i hadn't made my 300 gb harddrive into one big partition that is mounted on /
[22:51] <BigPick> awag: HAHA I know how you feel. I did the same thing on this laptop. I'm kicking myself.
[22:52] <BigPick> awag: But this was only the second linux install I ever did.
[22:52] <awag> BigPick, yeah, i'm not sure what i'm going to do, there isn't a good way to reinstall all the core files and settings and stuff from the kubuntu cd without formatting is there?
[22:53] <BigPick> awag: And I've had kubuntu on here since Hoary
[22:53] <BigPick> awag: Oh yeah there is.
[22:54] <BigPick> awag: Its just very complex.
[22:54] <awag> BigPick, oh, another thing that is interesting, is that i tried copying the xorg.conf from the fresh install, to see if it could do some magic on my current install, but it gave me the same error, so there is something wrong with my kernel module for the nvidia stuff i think
[22:54] <zareliman> are there any known problems on PCI WiFi management on Kubuntu ?
[22:54] <awag> BigPick, oh, well i think i might steer clear of it then
[22:54] <BigPick> awag: Possible :)
[22:55] <BigPick> awag: Yeah, I haven't done it on this machine yet. If I did, I would just wipe it and start again.
[22:55] <BigPick> awag: And I'm not a fan of just wiping things.
[22:56] <awag> BigPick, I am a fan of wiping things, but i'm not a fan of backing up 250 gb of data onto dvds
[22:56] <Angelus> awag: the kernel has bad settings for nvidia
[22:56] <awag> Angelus, oh?
[22:56] <Angelus> 1 bad setting is , they left framebuffer support for nvidia in the kernel, which is not compatable with the nvidia binary driver
[22:56] <BigPick> awag: Yeah, I have the luxury of a POS dell with a pentium II that has a couple 100GB drives in it :)
[22:56] <Timsen> awag: would make more sense to buy a second disk for the backup :)
[22:57] <BigPick> Angelus: When did the add the framebuffer support back in? I thought they specifically removed it in Feisty?
[22:57] <BigPick> That would explain the trouble though.
[22:57] <awag> Timsen, yeah i'm aware of that :)
[22:57] <BigPick> But that would cost money :)
[22:58] <awag> yes
[22:58] <awag> hehe
[22:58] <BigPick> I do everything on the cheap, i.e. lightly used :)
[22:58] <BigPick> Whenever someone is throwing out anything electronic I collect it :)
[22:58] <awag> yeah  thats the way to go
[22:59] <Angelus> BigPick: they made 1 big stupid mistake, they removed vesafb (the vesa framebuffer support) and aded framebuffer support for the rest of the cards, this causes 2 errors that i  know of, 1 error is what i explained above, second error is  ,, the left kubuntu bootup splash, which cannot be ran without vesafb on many cards, this will give the user a monitor turninf off til the login stcreen comes
[22:59] <BigPick> Someday here when I get done with a couple more of these EE courses I might actually be able to do cool stuff with it but meh.
[22:59] <BigPick> Angelus: Dude, you just explained what the hell is going on with my second sandbox tower.
[23:00] <BigPick> *grumbles* time for another recompile
[23:00] <Angelus> want me to give you the fix BigPick ?
[23:00] <Angelus> compile a custom kernel with vesafb on , and remove the the rest of the frame buffers,  only leave vesafb and vga
[23:00] <BigPick> Sure, I'm not familiar with the 2.6.22 config yet
[23:00] <BigPick> Sounds like a plan.
[23:01] <BigPick> Why in the hell did they do that though?
[23:01] <Angelus> you don't need to touch anything else, the make menuconfig will give you the options from the kubuntu's kernel, you don't have to edit anything, just the framebuffer part
[23:01] <Angelus> BigPick: i don't know, it costed me a weak to figure out what the problem was.
[23:02] <Angelus> all i know it was a very stupid thing
[23:02] <BigPick> HAHA, I've been doing custom compiles up until feisty because of these oddities (mostly wireless in nature).
[23:02] <awag> BigPick, and i could just use this 13 gb drive that i installed the fresh install on to boot from, and then mount my other drive as my home dir, but the damned geforce 6600 apparently sucks a shit-ton of power and when i plug it, and 4 ide drives in, one of the drives doesn't seem to get enough power, ie one of them always fails to mount
[23:02] <BigPick> Feisty I stopped because of the new linker support which works great.
[23:02] <Angelus> because if you have an nvidia card that only works with vesafb and not with VGA ,  you will have to compile a kernel everytime you format, which is about a 3GB kernel, since kubuntu chooses all options
[23:03] <BigPick> awag: PSU problems are the worst.
[23:03] <spimort> hi all
[23:04] <Angelus> psu problems, that i have
[23:04] <Angelus> my computer reboots when he feels like he wants too
[23:04] <BigPick> I never use the default config. I always spend a couple hours "optimizing", then the next three days figuring out what the hell I did.
[23:04] <Angelus> my computer turns on only when he feels like
[23:04] <awag> Angelus, haha, i know all about that
[23:04] <biovore> ah.. narctalepic computer eh..
[23:05] <BigPick> One of my towers would turn-off, then keep power cycling.
[23:05] <BigPick> It was so odd.
[23:05] <awag> Angelus, my mobo doesn't align with the screw holes in my case correctly, so if it gets bumped even a little bit it fucks up and shuts down
[23:05] <Angelus> whats a mobo?
[23:05] <BigPick> motherboard
[23:05] <awag> Angelus, and when that happens I have to unplug the atx power to get it to reboot, mobo = mother board
[23:05] <spimort> how can i install KBFX?
[23:05] <Angelus> oh
[23:06] <Angelus> mine just reboots
[23:06] <Angelus> i think power loss
[23:06] <Angelus> my psu is only 250Watts
[23:06] <spimort> ...
[23:06] <awag> wow
[23:06] <BigPick> spimort: Use adept and install the packages "kbfx, kubuntu-artwork-kbfx"
[23:06] <awag> what hardware is in it?
[23:07] <igniter> can the tempo be altered in Amarok? If not, any other player that can do it?
[23:07] <spimort> ok wait
[23:07] <BigPick> igniter: Not that I know of. You may have to resort to editing software like audacity.
[23:07] <spimort> and after what i need to do to us it?
[23:07] <Angelus> awag: AMD Athlon64 3200+ 512kB/s Cache , 2GHz, and  an Nvidia Geforce 8400GS
[23:07] <awag> wow
[23:08] <igniter> BigPick: ok thanks
[23:08] <awag> don't the recommend like 450 + for that kind of a settup?
[23:08] <BigPick> spimort: I forget, I did a kbfx install once but didn't keep it long.
[23:08] <awag> BigPick, do you know much about virtualbox?
[23:08] <spimort> ok
[23:08] <spimort> any body else?
[23:08] <BigPick> awage: Nothing :P
[23:08] <awag> k
[23:09] <Angelus> awag: people where like: how the hell is you're pc turning on with that psu? lol
[23:09] <awag> hehe
[23:09] <BigPick> spimort: Well what exactly is the problem you are experiencing?
[23:09] <spimort> i was instal kbfx but i dot know to use it
[23:10] <spimort> ...
[23:11] <BigPick> spimort: oh okay, well what you need to do is add the kbfx applet to your taskbar first
[23:12] <spimort> how?
[23:12] <BigPick> spimort: Right click on a blank portion of your taskbar and got to "Add Applet to Panel"
[23:12] <awag> ok, brb gonna go see if i can find a way to get my psu to let me boot all my drives
[23:12] <spimort> ok
[23:12] <spimort> wait
[23:12] <BigPick> spimort: That will bring up a dialog box. Search through it until you see kbfx
[23:13] <zareliman> Hi, i'm having problems with copy-paste on xsessions folder
[23:13] <zareliman> I want to add the KDE4 option
[23:13] <zareliman> and maybe the Gnome option (just want to kompare)
[23:14] <BigPick> zareliman: Okay what is the copy-past problem?
[23:14] <spimort> but its not remplace my other (the orginal «start»
[23:14] <zareliman> I can't add *.desktop files into that folder
[23:14] <zareliman> I understand that I have to add there the Desktops in order to access them on the logon screen
[23:15] <spimort> ...
[23:15] <BigPick> zareliman: Does it give you an error? Like a permissions or authorization?
[23:16] <BigPick> spimort: The two can co-exist if you like.
[23:16] <BigPick> spimort: Your default KMenu, is in fact, an applet aswell.
[23:16] <spimort> ok ... but it modify just my «start» not all of my menubar
[23:17] <BigPick> spimort: I'm not sure what you mean...
[23:18] <zareliman> BigPick Access denied
[23:18] <zareliman> I'm not sure if it's easier to work on terminal or on konkeror XD
[23:18] <spimort> humm ... in my menubar i have a start button , some software , the hour , etc ... but it's modify just the start
[23:18] <BigPick> zareliman: You need root privaleges to modify the xsessions folder.
[23:19] <zareliman> any suggestions on getting the sudo previlege on konkeror browsing ?
[23:19] <BigPick> zareliman: you will need to use konsole and "sudo cp"
[23:19] <DJ-KING> hey guys , i restarted once my machine and all of a sudden KDE doesn't work anymore .. i installed fluxbox
[23:19] <DJ-KING> any idea how do i fix KDE again ?
[23:20] <spimort> ...
[23:20] <BigPick> spimort: I still don't understand what you want to do.
[23:20] <BigPick> DJ-KING: When you boot do you go strait to a termial? i.e. Prompt.
[23:20] <WaltzingAlong> DJ-KING: next time at kdm, pick 'kde' as your session rather than fluxbox
[23:21] <BigPick> ^^^What he said :)
[23:21] <spimort> ok well ... its not important
[23:21] <DJ-KING> WaltzingAlong: KDE starts with nothing but a terminal opened
[23:21] <hangthedj> zareliman, you can do ALT+F2 then type kdesu konqueror, just remember to close it after.
[23:21] <BigPick> spimort: Are you trying to add kbfx to your taskbar/
[23:21] <spimort> no its good
[23:21] <WaltzingAlong> DJ-KING: seems like fluxbox starts
[23:21] <Makdaam_> hello
[23:22] <BigPick> zareliman: sure, launch konqueror from a console using "sudo konqueror"
[23:22] <hangthedj> for gui, you want to use kdesu
[23:23] <WaltzingAlong> BigPick: please, not sudo konqueror         either kdesu konqueror or kdesudo konqueror
[23:23] <DJ-KING> WaltzingAlong: i could choose KDE but again , it opens with a terminalinside , no menu no icons nothing at all .. and when i do try to right click or do anything x gets killed and i go back to kdm
[23:23] <BigPick> zareliman: oh yeah sorry
[23:23] <BigPick> My bad, my bad, old habbits sorry
[23:23] <ubuntu> hey guys, just wanted to say i love kubuntu! great work! Thanks!
[23:24] <WaltzingAlong> DJ-KING: merely installing fluxbox should not have done. make sure to install kubuntu-desktop            and it may also help to reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[23:24] <zareliman> thanks I'm getting used to this
[23:24] <BigPick> zareliman: The most correct way to do it would be to go to Menu -> Run Command -> "kdesu konqueror"
[23:25] <hangthedj> when did ubotu get traded for ubot3?
[23:25] <hangthedj> ALT+F2 = run command
[23:25] <DJ-KING> WaltzingAlong: both are installed
[23:26] <stdin> hangthedj: ubotu went down, ubot3 is the temporary replacement
[23:26] <BigPick> hangthedj: HAHAH, okay okay, I think its obvious I am far more comforitable in a terminal than in a gui.
[23:26] <zareliman> I'm using sudo cp /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[23:26] <anto> Is it possible to remove all the gui files and reinstall them
[23:26] <zareliman> but it says 'kde4.desktop' is not a directory
[23:27] <anto> somthing has screwed up my glx applications they frezze everynow and then after i installed a theme
[23:27] <hangthedj> stdin, i need to read my log more often when there are problems.. :)
[23:27] <stdin> zareliman: just copy the kde.desktop to kde4.desktop and edit it
[23:28] <akhilpawar> hi ..
[23:28] <BigPick> I didn't know an IRC bot could... go down. :P
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> only if you put enough high octane oil in her! :0
[23:29] <stdin> BigPick: it's just a client, like any other
[23:29] <BigPick> stdin: Very true.
[23:30] <DJ-KING> how do i get to re install a package
[23:30] <DJ-KING> ?
[23:30] <Dr_Willis> install it with the force option? I do belive theres a reinstall optiuon also
[23:30] <BigPick> DJ-KING: In adept you can right-click on the "Remove" button and select other options.
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> but theres rarely a need to reinstall a package.
[23:31] <stdin> "sudo apt-get --reinstall install <package>"
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> unless of course you deleted somthing ya shouldent of.
[23:31] <BigPick> I prefer to reconfigure really.
[23:31] <Makdaam_> DJ-KING: in Adept manager you can rightclick and select "request reinstall"
[23:32] <dave> if have upgraded to gutsy from feisty and now my RT2500 wifi cardbus dont work. any advice?
[23:33] <dave> if have upgraded to gutsy from feisty and now my RT2500 wifi cardbus dont work. any advice?
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> other then check the forums.. :) ?
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> Ive never had one of those - so cant help much  in person
[23:33] <dave> yehhhhh..... kinda wanted immediate answer innit
[23:34] <frank23> PenguinTV users: is it possible to have finer control over bittorrent settings. seed until 1:1 ratio for example
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> But i do know the wireless forums have a lot of chatter.
[23:34] <BigPick> dave: This problem has been experienced by a number of users.
[23:34] <BigPick> dave: Lemme see if I can walk you through this.
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> frank23,  differnt torrent clients have different features. Im not sure if ktorrent can do that or not.
[23:34] <dave> BigPick care to elaborate? many thanks
[23:34] <zareliman> how can I add KDE4 or Gnome to my Xsessions ? to have an option on login screen
[23:35] <frank23> Dr_Willis: penguintv has bittorrent integrated.
[23:35] <BigPick> dave: Yes, there was a user on last night who had the exact same issue.
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> frank23,  i though he was talking TO penguintv :) heh
[23:35] <frank23> Dr_Willis: heh
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> guess theres not a lot of users of it in here eh.. :)
[23:35] <dave> BigPick right whats the solutions sir? :)
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> TuxTV sounds cooler.
[23:36] <BigPick> dave: In his case we had to recompile a different version of the driver, but I'm hoping we won't have to do that.
[23:36] <frank23> Dr_Willis: what is tuxtv?
[23:36] <dave> BigPick k
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> frank23,  a cooler sounding name then PenguinTV :)
[23:37] <frank23> Dr_Willis: I guess
[23:37] <BigPick> dave: lemme check something here real quick
[23:37] <Dr_Willis> Whats PenguinTV anyway
[23:37] <eagles0513875> sup amy
[23:37] <eagles0513875> !democracy
[23:37] <ubot3> Factoid democracy not found
[23:37] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[23:37] <ubot3> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[23:37] <dave> BigPick k
[23:38] <frank23> Dr_Willis: its a rss feed reader that also handles video feeds (including torrents)
[23:38] <frank23> Dr_Willis: like Miro
[23:38] <eagles0513875> is there a program that will allow u to watch ur cable tv connection via ethernet
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> I do like Miro. Cant get it working on ubuntu yet.
[23:38] <MilesG> Dr_Willis: how do you beat the second stage on supertux?
[23:38] <rino> who can help me ? My gutsy on laptop don't start very well and i must press ctrl+alt+f1 every  access
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875,  mythtv can do a similer task to that. with some work
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> MilesG,  i dont recall ever playing supertux
[23:39] <MilesG> !miro | MilesG
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> !info supertux
[23:39] <ubot3> supertux: Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 690 kB, installed size 1996 kB
[23:39] <MilesG> Dr_Willis: i was just kidding
[23:40] <dave> BigPick hang on must register
[23:40] <BigPick> dave: don't worry then
[23:41] <BigPick> dave: Can you real quick check for me that "iface ra0" is active in your /etc/network/interfaces
[23:42] <DJ-KING> WaltzingAlong: BigPick: thank you guys , after reinstalling kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings packages KDE is back to work again
[23:42] <dave> is yes but i changed that to "auto ra0" before
[23:43] <eagles0513875> !mythtv
[23:43] <ubot3> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[23:43] <dave> BigPick is yes but i changed that to "auto ra0" before
[23:43] <BigPick> dave: thats fine :) In gutsy they changed to a different driver "rt61_pci"
[23:43] <WaltzingAlong> DJ-KING: great
[23:44] <BigPick> dave: I just wanted to check the obvious first :_)
[23:44] <[ifr0g]> Where has the bluetooth device property window gone ??
[23:44] <dave> BigPick right
[23:45] <BigPick> dave: Unfortunately we are going to have to download and compile another driver for your card.
[23:45] <eagles0513875> that is sweet but i dont need a tivo equivalent
[23:45] <eagles0513875> i need something like windows media center where u can just watch live tv on ur computer
[23:45] <dave> BigPick yeh cool np ma8
[23:46] <dave> BigPick where when and how im have a term with your name on
[23:46] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: do you have a tv tuner? mythtv then or well most of the media players can do it, ones i use anyway: mplayer or vlc
[23:47] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: mythtv is great. take the time to get it running well
[23:47] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: (and then stream to another computer on your network!)
[23:47] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong:i dont have one in my laptop is there one that allows u to watch tv via ethernet
[23:47] <BigPick> dave: Okay first thing, we could do this by recompiling your kernel, but lets not. Instead, I'm going to have you download the current tar from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Downloads
[23:48] <WaltzingAlong> democracy tv or the like? or check out the shoutcast channels in vlc ?
[23:48] <dave> BigPick K
[23:48] <BigPick> dave: Also, your going to need to have the headers for your current kernel and the "build-essentials" package.
[23:49] <zareliman> i need help in these commands (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php)
[23:50] <dave> BigPick just let me check theyre on there otherwise ill have to replug an RJ45 cable in
[23:50] <zareliman> I need to 'run' some export commands, but I simply don't know how to do it
[23:50] <WaltzingAlong> zareliman: where, which,
[23:50] <[ifr0g]> what happened to the bluetooth in gutsy..
[23:50] <WaltzingAlong> zareliman: copy/paste those lines. but really you will want to add them to the file mentioned
[23:50] <zareliman> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[23:51] <BigPick> dave: Ok
[23:53] <WaltzingAlong> zareliman: right follow the next lines, because you will want to copy/paste those into the .desktop file mentioned
[23:53] <knightz> ?
[23:53] <ignoramus> i need help *bad*
[23:54] <ignoramus> i totall boned myself
[23:54] <ignoramus> i installed envy...
[23:54] <ignoramus> and it asked to change my xorg.conf file
[23:54] <WaltzingAlong> hahah
[23:54] <WaltzingAlong> !envy
[23:54] <ubot3> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[23:54] <ignoramus> i said 'ok'
[23:54] <ignoramus> now i can't connect to x server!
[23:54] <ignoramus> WTF?
[23:54] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: step 1. remove envy.   then reconfigure X.
[23:54] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:55] <ignoramus> from the grub-looking screen?
[23:55] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: from the !terminal, yes  ctrl+alt+f1
[23:56] <reagleBRKLN> using gutsy, and when my screen goes to sleep, it blanks but backlight stays on...?
[23:56] <ignoramus> ok... it asking me all config settings... looks promising
[23:56] <dave> BigPick sorry just having a few probs with the old lappy and the RJ45 now grr
[23:56] <igniter> ignoramus: instead of reconfiguring X, try using one of the backup files inside /etc/X11 , use xorg.conf.1
[23:56] <BigPick> dave: its cool man
[23:57] <igniter> ignoramus: overwrite the existing xorg.conf file
[23:57] <ignoramus> hang on
[23:57] <ignoramus> i reconfigured, now rebooting
[23:57] <WaltzingAlong> also a route to take
[23:57] <ignoramus> i hope this works
[23:57] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: does myth allow u to watch tv through ethernet
[23:57] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus:  no need to reboot after that, just restart X  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:57] <eagles0513875> cuz i couldnt find democracy
[23:58] <ignoramus> igniter: could i overwrite xorf.conf without being able to connect to x server?
[23:58] <dave> BigPick still i've got "boards of canada" to listen to and beer to drink and im a geek soo..... at least my other pc has compiz-fusion working now god damn xgl x-server breaking everything
[23:58] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: sure through the !terminal
[23:58] <igniter> ignoramus: yes, use sudo infront of the copy command
[23:58] <WaltzingAlong> !info democracyplayer
[23:58] <ubot3> democracyplayer: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.8.1-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 44 kB
[23:59] <ignoramus> WaltzingAlong: shit, didn't work... still at terminal prompt
[23:59] <ignoramus> didn't login
[23:59] <BigPick> dave: HAHA, your set dude. :) I got Stone Temple pilots goin, some football on the tube, so I'm set for a while too :)
[23:59] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: check the log  less /var/log/Xorg.0.log               but you could also try a backup as suggested by igniter