=== barry is now known as barry-away [00:32] I want to create a project for my team like this one: [00:32] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio-f2f [00:32] What web page do I use to register an Ubuntu project? [00:35] desertc, start from the home page, choose Project [00:35] then register a project (left menu) [00:35] Nothing special for making a sub project under Ubuntu, for instance? [00:36] hmm, i don't know [00:37] I'll fire one up. Learn through doing. [00:38] i've already registered several projects parts of super-projects [00:40] What is the typical, most free license used for documentation and images? [00:40] ... that prevents for-profit use [00:41] I'm looking for a creative commons license, but don't see it listed in project setup [00:43] yep, then choose "other" [00:43] desertc: do you want a Project or a team? [00:44] A project... [00:44] I'm not sure why you'd want a project [00:45] Why are you not sure? [00:46] this is for a loco team right? [00:46] It isn't, no... [00:46] oh [00:46] But if it was it might be similar [00:46] Do LoCos not use projects? [00:46] no, I don't think so [00:46] I linked to one above [00:47] are bzr pushes broken currently? [00:47] projects are for bugs, translations, code, etc. [00:49] Do you know this, or are you conjecturing? I was listened to the Launchpad talk this week, and I was under the impression it could be used for things more than code. [00:50] I am looking for a place to put documents online so they can be shared with a selected people from a team. [00:51] desertc: we use it for the Ubuntu Desktop Training course, it's docbook, not really code [00:51] Seemed to me that was what a project does, but if I am wrong, but let me know if I am going down the wrong path. [00:51] desertc: I guess text would work best [00:53] I'm looking through the most recently created projects, and it doesn't seem like people are being choosy on what they create. DrugWiki being the most recent project. [00:54] Well -- I can always delete it later, if my project becomes problematic. I'm just trying to get this darn thing started. [00:55] desertc: no, I'm not saying you *can't* [00:56] I was just trying to assertain if you were really wanting to create a team rather than a project [00:56] Let me know if you think would be better, by all means. [00:56] Question, How do I tie a project with a team? [00:57] LaserJock + desertc: I believe teams and projects go hand in hand. I can hardly think of any new unrelated project w/o creating a team [00:57] Oh, never mind, I think it is a driver [00:57] desertc: there's a project owner, driver, bug contact, security contact [00:58] TeTeT: yes, but if you're just trying to group people a project is overkill [00:58] LaserJock: right [01:00] Needed a place for shared documents and revisions, too. [01:08] Now to figure out blueprints [01:10] Can a project have multiple blueprints for different areas? [01:11] a project can have any number of blueprints [01:17] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ububtu.students.poster.project/+spec/ubuntu.students.poster.project.tux.plus [01:17] Oh, and now I can mentor someone on it. Yeah, I'm digging this tool. [01:33] Hello [01:34] Greetings. [01:36] It's nice to see launchpad evolving as we use it [01:37] Got a question : Should all PPA bugs be put in Soyuz ? [01:37] I mean, setting product to Soyuz instead of Launchpad in bug reports [01:42] if it's a PPA bug yes [01:50] ok, I'll do so [01:50] thanks [01:50] New bug: #157602 in launchpad "is alsa-base a package or isn't it???" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157602 [01:58] hum, got a nice way to make launchpad crash [01:59] shouldn't change product from launchpad to soyuz when there is a "Launchpad: 1.1.11" milestone [02:03] Filed as bug #157606 [02:03] Launchpad bug 157606 in launchpad "Changing bug product while it is linked to a milestone crashes launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157606 [02:10] New bug: #157606 in launchpad "Changing bug product while it is linked to a milestone crashes launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157606 [02:17] * ddaa submitted a patch to have launchpad pages as narrow as 529px (instead of 752px currently) [02:17] I mean 712px currently [02:18] nifty [02:18] I hope all you guys will like it :) [02:19] though it's not very useful at this width because of the portlets column [02:19] (guys, I mean, without prejudice of our users of the beautiful gender) [02:20] lol [02:21] I hope to have it land on edge some point next week. [02:23] Hello - I am working on a blueprint and I am linking different versions to the blueprint. Would it be better to make multiple branches and link to each one, or is there a way to put multiple versions of the file into a branch and link it just once? [02:25] Which file are you talking about? [02:26] You can put multiple files in a bzr branch, if that's what you are asking. [02:26] bzr = Bazaar ? [02:27] Great - how do I put multiple files in a branch? [02:28] desertc: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html [02:44] cprov: you can close it (bug ~156117) [02:45] bug #156117 [02:45] Launchpad bug 156117 in soyuz "PPA declares some packages published while they aren't" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156117 [02:59] omg, it's 4AM here. Time to get some rest. [02:59] bye [03:24] hi thumper [03:24] hi jamesh [03:24] where are ya [03:24] Tokyo [03:24] LAX [03:25] the checkin counter here doesn't open for another 2.5 hours [03:25] 1.5 hours, actually [03:25] you're not checked through? [03:25] different airlines# [03:25] ? [03:25] 2.5 hours before my flight leaves [03:26] was on Qantas, next two flights are North West [03:27] yay - I remember traveling every day! [03:28] couldn't pay me enough to do it again [03:28] Good luck on your flight, Jamesh, hope it is quiet and uneventful. [03:30] Were you guys at a conference together? [03:32] desertc: both on the way to Boston [03:32] jamesh: nod [03:33] jamesh: I am reading your blog. You have gone back and forth from different hemispheres a lot lately. [03:36] it'll be the second time to the US this year [03:39] jamesh: what time do you arrive in boston? [03:40] thumper: 7:30pm [03:40] I'll see you then [03:40] well, just after [03:41] later people [05:22] er, we have a luanchpad spammer, it appears [05:23] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/111975 [06:04] launchpad must not have a test suite for testing broken links or something [06:04] the big link on https://edge.launchpad.net/~hobbsee/+archive is a 404. [06:05] we do have a test suite [06:06] so which one is the bug? that we linkify the archive URL, or that we linkify the archive URL for empty PPAs? [06:06] (I assume that's why the linked page doesn't exist) [06:07] jamesh: oh, i had assumed that it would show an empty directory, not a 404. [06:07] (the latter) [06:07] yes, the ppa is empty, but i still wasnt expecting a 404) [06:08] Hobbsee: my guess is that a PPA that has never had any packages doesn't get published at all [06:08] please file a bug, all the same. [06:09] ok [06:13] Where is ubuntuoid/ubotu? [06:13] ubuntoid/ubotu, rather === spiv_ is now known as spiv [06:14] mpt: keeps getting on the wrong side of the netsplit [07:25] Hi! Where do I have to ask for support for deleting projects and project teams? [07:27] fosstux: I think they generally prefer to receive such requests as Questions on the Launchpad project [07:36] fosstux: should be https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/ [07:37] fosstux: or did I tell you wrong last time? [07:39] thanks... [07:39] I have asked the question... [08:44] Hi everyone, I have a request to create super-projects and delete some that I created by mistake... [08:44] what's the place to ask them? is it "Questions" on the website or there is another suggestion? [09:33] hi, I have a PPA issue: i tried to upload a package by I mispelled my "incoming" int .dput.cf ant it was rejected, now I corrected it but when I try to dput it it sais "Already uploaded to ppa.launchpad.net". what can I do now? [09:35] stoone: you need to inscrement the version of it in changelog [09:35] if you have 0ubuntu1, try 0ubuntu2 [09:35] Kmos: ok thanks [09:36] Kmos: Erm, no! [09:37] stoone: Just add -f to the dput command line. [09:37] Fujitsu: ok [09:42] Fujitsu: ah ok =) [09:42] ree: Creation of project groups, and deletion of projects, is best handled on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad. [09:43] Fujitsu, thanks! [09:44] ubotu is down :( [09:44] SteveA: ubotu is down [09:50] Kmos: I don't see how he has much to do with ubotu. [09:50] isn't stevea [09:50] ? [09:51] maybe i'm confusing nick [09:51] Kmos: Seveas, perhaps. [09:59] Fujitsu: exactly :) [10:09] Hi [10:10] Hi leroutier. [10:10] Is there a link to https://edge.launchpad.net/~yourname/+hwdb-submissions from our own homepage ? (and is it used in any way??) [10:11] I believe that functionality is still in development, so probably not linked or used at all. [10:11] I'm not a developer though, so I could be wrong. [10:14] k, thanks [10:15] I had never seen a way to say who we are in hwdb-client anyway. So, it had no way to link an anonymous hwdb-client submission to a LP account [10:31] anyone know where distro launchpad usage settings have moved to? :P [10:33] joejaxx: Not on +edit? [10:34] i went under change distro settings [10:34] but it is not there [10:34] i can only change the summary and description [10:38] when is edgy end release cycle? [10:38] it's on final of this month ? [10:39] Fujitsu: i really need to change the usage settings otherwise lp complains when you try and submit a bug [10:39] or add it as a distribution on top an existing bug [10:40] Kmos: Edgy doesn't die until April... [10:40] joejaxx: I have no idea... there might well not be a UI for it. [10:41] Fujitsu: there used to be [10:41] i guess they removed it [10:41] :\ [10:41] Ask a que... an Answer. [10:41] Fujitsu: ok, thx [11:04] hi [11:04] I think there is a bug for the ppa... [11:05] I just built kubuntu-default-settings package, and only one binary came along, no issues in the buildlog [11:05] just that one of the package is architectured "all" and not "any" [11:05] could you paste your PPA page please ? [11:06] I suspect that "all" is just ignored [11:06] URL I mean [11:06] leroutier: sure : https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ [11:06] leroutier: package concerned is "kubuntu-default-settings-1:7.10-28tonio1" [11:07] i386 build of kubuntu-default-settings 1:7.10-28tonio1 in ubuntu gutsy RELEASE [11:07] Pending (0) [11:07] It seems the x86 build bot is down [11:07] That's why only src & amd64 packages are published [11:07] leroutier: hum you didn't get my point [11:07] leroutier: I was supposed to get 2 debs with the amd64 [11:08] oh, w8, rechecking [11:08] one of them is based on config file and then its arch is "all" [11:08] leroutier: I suspect ppa system to ignore "all" arch [11:09] that's possible. I never uploaded any arch agnostic package [11:09] did you run lintian & lint on your .dsc before upload ? [11:12] leroutier: well local build outputs both packages [11:15] Tonio_: arch: all is only built on the i386 buildd, like in the normal Ubuntu archive. [11:15] Fujitsu: ah oki, that may explain then [11:15] The i386 buildd was DoSed with 3 OOo uploads and a lot of language packs yesterday, so it probably won't be built for some days. [11:15] Fujitsu: :/ [11:16] The queue builder being stuffed due to the large number of Hardy builds doesn't make things good either. [11:16] * Fujitsu hints that some more i386 PPA buildds might be nice. [11:18] Fujitsu: I hope people don't consider ppa for testing builds before uploading to official archives.... [11:18] Tonio_: Well, all three OOo uploads by blueyed failed yesterday, so people at least aren't testing locally. [11:18] Fujitsu: cause in that case you might get DoSed buildds very often...... [11:18] Fujitsu: that's just stupid..... [11:19] Fujitsu, there are case where it builds fine localy but not in lauchpad's PPA [11:19] blueyed__: Hint: test things, or people get annoyed when you use up 24 hours of i386 buildd time. [11:20] leroutier: well, building with debuild might work locally and not on ppa [11:20] Yep. got this several times [11:20] leroutier: I can hardly imagin that something building with pbuilder can fail on a ppa, did that happen ? [11:20] I did only use debuild, not pbuilder [11:20] Tonio_: It does, but not often. [11:21] Fujitsu: I can imagin that OOo is a specific case... [11:21] perhaps I could change my build scripts if it is more anal [11:21] Fujitsu: I would probably be attemptd to use a ppa to build it as a local build is more than 10 years [11:21] leroutier: You should *always* test build in pbuilder or sbuild. [11:21] Tonio_: But using PPA affects a lot more people. [11:21] Fujitsu: sure, but people don't consider this in the first place :) [11:22] Fujitsu: especially with OOo [11:22] Fujitsu, so, pbuilder checks more things than debuild does ? [11:22] (but the fact that it runs inside a chroot and helps with missing build deps) [11:22] leroutier: a pbuilder build will fail when srcdir <> builddir [11:22] leroutier: pbuilder actually builds it in a clean environment vaguely like what you've got on the buildds... [11:23] leroutier: that with debuild will work most of the time [11:23] leroutier: also debuild can succeed even if debian/control misses some build-deps [11:23] leroutier: which can't pbuilder [11:23] k, good to know. I'll use pbuilder exclusivly from now on [11:24] Fujitsu: okay thanks for the info, I'll just wait for the i386 buildds to come back [11:25] leroutier: thanks for the help too :) [11:25] Tonio_: It'll likely be a couple of days before language packs finish, and then there's the backlog. [11:25] Fujitsu: OOo lang packs ? [11:26] Fujitsu: cause those are as long as OOo build... [11:26] Tonio_: No, 7.04 langpacks. [11:26] oki [11:26] Fujitsu: will wait then, thanks :) [11:27] There should be build priority based on past failures of user's build : if for a user, X% of uploads would finish as a build failure, decrease future build priority for him [11:28] leroutier: that would be nice indeed :) [11:28] Looks like an enhancement request/wishlist or blueprint. Who wants to volunteer to fill it up ? (I'm lazy) [11:35] No one knows who to ask for package removal requests ? (from Ubuntu, not from PPA) [11:39] leroutier: File a bug, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors. Probably best to ask in #ubuntu-motu first, for any objections. [11:40] ok, thanks [11:41] leroutier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Removal [11:41] thx [12:57] where is the list of stuff that needs to build for ppas? [12:57] did the page get removed? [13:05] Hobbsee: There is no global list - I filed a bug about that a few days back. [13:06] Fujitsu: hm. could have sworn there was. [13:06] oh well [13:06] I don't believe so. === leonel_ is now known as leonel [13:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/110088/comments/7 appears to be comment spam [13:38] is this the correct place to report it? [13:39] it is spam but I don't know if it is the right place [13:39] leroutier: could you point me to the right place please? [13:39] this is the right place - although people usually do a launchpad question, asking for it's removal [13:39] SteveA: or kiko might be able to fix it, if htey're here [13:40] Hobbsee: OK I'll add your note to Bug #45419 [13:41] Same spamer here : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/118394/comments/4 [13:41] same spam message too [13:41] leroutier: :-/ [13:41] bug 45419 [13:41] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/110484/comments/12 [13:42] ah, still no bugbot [13:42] mpt: Launchpad needs a way of easily flagging spam [13:42] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms/+bug/62773/comments/6 [13:42] yep, lots of spam lately [13:42] mpt: oh, can fix. [13:42] PriceChild: poke [13:42] mpt: Launchpad should have an expedited process for dealing with inappropriate contributions[...] [13:42] bug #45419 [13:42] Hel Hobbsee? [13:42] *Hey [13:43] PriceChild: bot please [13:43] sits, I know, I wrote some of that :-P [13:43] * mpt hugs Ubotwo [13:43] there's a blueprint about fighting spam in LP [13:43] mpt: hmm now I think about it it does sound like it's in your style : ) [13:43] I don't think he does bugs.... :/ [13:43] bug 45419 [13:43] darn [13:43] bug #45419 [13:43] nope, not that one [13:43] Sorry. [13:44] * mpt spurns Ubotwo [13:44] I wish I had somewhere I could do my own backup bot :) [13:45] so is the current protocol to make a launchpad question about the spam and to include a link to it? [13:45] sits, pretty much [13:45] in the absence of anyone who can deal with it right away [13:47] that's not the only one of his. there's an amarok one too [13:49] (I have a style??) [13:52] anyone else running in this problem: % bzr push [13:52] Using saved location: bzr+ssh://tspindler@bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-training/ubuntu-desktop-course/ubuntu-desktop-course-beta/ [13:52] No handlers could be found for logger "bzr" [13:52] bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(remote lock)" [13:53] Someone trying to push at the same time ? [13:54] leroutier: hmm, I got first an error on to many open connections (or handles or such) [13:54] leroutier: so this might be a follow-up prob [13:54] mpt: I've been reading your stuff for years [13:55] so maybe a break-lock will work [13:55] mpt: but note I didn't say stylish : ) [13:55] TeTeT, break-lock will tell you how old the lock is and something about who made it [13:55] before you decide whether to actually break it [13:55] sits, ok :-) [14:03] for the record, break-lock did do the ob [14:03] job === blueyed__ is now known as blueyed [14:58] Fujitsu: thanks for your hint. But it have been 12 hours for the three OOo uploads (https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueyed/+archive/+builds?build_text=openoffice&build_state=all) [14:58] My understanding has been that there should be enough build servers, btw. [14:58] blueyed: There is a single build server for each architecture. [14:58] It remembers me when I was running gentoo, took up to 9 hours to compile OOo [15:00] leroutier: depends on the hardware.. here at home on a AMD64 3000+ it's still building now.. [15:00] Fujitsu: it may not have been that annoying, if the i386 build wouldn't have died because of not enough disk space. [15:01] Fujitsu: couldn't you add a hook in the Accepted/Rejected processing for uploads and reject the upload, if it's e.g. OOo? [15:02] At least that's my understanding now: never ever throw OOo in there anymore. [15:02] blueyed: I'm not an LP person. [15:02] s/person/dev/ [15:03] * ScottK giggles at the thought. [15:03] ScottK: Which? [15:03] You being an LP Person. [15:04] Actually it was more of a snort. [15:05] Hah. [15:25] hi, could someone confirm that ppa will be unusable until ~ monday ? [15:26] i mean, the builder [15:26] * Hobbsee wonders why it's unusable - it's building a whole bunhc of stuff... [15:26] https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/samarium/+history [15:27] it's been doing lang pack for at least 24h [15:27] and more to go [15:27] Ubulette: lang packs are big, and there are lots of them. [15:27] i know [15:27] large queue != to unstable [15:28] please reread my sentence. unusable to build new stuff [15:28] langpacks go to main anyway, so likely get preference. [15:28] Ubulette: i did misread, sorry [15:30] maybe some interleaving would be nice here. it's not fair to block a builder for 3 days with a flood [15:30] cprov: will probably do something about it eventually [15:31] Ubulette: if there's one thing i learned from #ubuntu-motu last night, it's that there's apparently no point in whinging about how it's not fair for others, and talking about dos' unless you actually work for canonical. [15:31] and that if you do, people will only complain about you, and say you're in the wrong. [15:32] :( [15:32] because "how dare you decide what's acceptable, and what isnt?" [15:33] aren't beta lp users supposed to provide feedbacks and bug reports ? [15:34] what is the difference between lang packs in PPA and lang packs in ubuntu? [15:34] gnomefreak: lang packs in ubuntu tend to get built by internal canonical machines, not the ppa ones. [15:34] Ubulette: if there is a bug, but the mass upload of ,ang packs isnt really a bug [15:34] gnomefreak: it's a violation of the TOS, though. [15:34] Hobbsee: oh i thought they were pretty much same [15:34] ah [15:34] gnomefreak: afaik, anyway [15:36] ok i could agree if i could find the TOS its no longer listed on PPA page [15:36] gnomefreak: ah, wait. it seems that it now says that canonical reserves the right to limit disk usage, etc, but doesnt say "you may not dos the buildds" [15:36] gnomefreak: listed off https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [15:36] https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse [15:37] i liked it on the personal PPA page :( [15:37] Other than the expectation that packages in your PPA are free software, we do ask that you not abuse the build system with unnecessary builds or automated uploads of large numbers of packages. We will monitor the total amount of build time per user and ask folks to be reasonable in their use of the shared resources in the PPA pool. [15:37] so it does say it [15:38] did they change the terms without asking users to re-accept the new terms ? [15:38] Hobbsee: wherre did you see that [15:39] Ubulette: Canonical may update and change these Terms of Use from time to time and without prior notice [15:40] gnomefreak: quickstart guide. [15:40] ah [15:40] gnomefreak: in the FAQ's [17:35] greetings kiko_, where are you? [17:36] in freezing boston [17:37] kiko_: hehe :) [17:37] kiko_: where in particular though? you have a different IP address. [17:38] freezing indeed [17:38] (I mean no, sheesh, it's 17 degrees) [17:38] heh. 18C here apparently [17:40] Hobbsee: that's hotel guest network vs our open network [17:40] Ng: ah, right. so it's just the 2 IPs, or are there more? [17:42] 5th floor? === kiko_ is now known as kiko [17:44] kiko: Ng told me what i needed to know - as in, explained why you were on a different IP. now, if he'll answer my next question.... [17:44] "where is my lsd?" [17:44] no [17:44] so it's just the 2 IPs, or are there more? [17:44] I give up [17:45] Hobbsee: afaik hotel guests can opt for their own unique IP, but those two should be the only ones with lots of people connecting (I assume you're asking wrt freenode?) [17:46] Ng: yes. [17:46] Ng: cool, OK. i'll notify them. i already got a cloak on 1. [17:46] Ng: it would be a decent idea to add this to your process list, if you have one, for each UDS. [17:46] Ng: freenode tends to get suspicious at 10+ people on an IP [17:47] Hobbsee: yeah, it got overlooked. thanks for doing it :) [17:47] Ng: no problem. [17:51] * Hobbsee goes and requests that one too === lbm_ is now known as lbm [18:46] mollasses [18:47] launchpad /very/ slow for anyone else? [18:47] indeed [18:50] is there any plan to add automatic package transition between distribution version for ppa? [18:54] kiko, about bug #157561, it's ok for me [18:54] still no bug bot around ? [18:57] kiko, ok to talk about a bug here ? [19:00] yes but I'm a bit aloof [19:00] k [19:01] it is about but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/4556 and its duplicate https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156118 [19:01] Launchpad bug 4556 in launchpad "Can't remove link between project and source package" [Medium,Confirmed] [19:01] yeah, I think I duplicated them, right? [19:01] Do you know how this link was created ? (swfdec source package in Gutsy) [19:01] yep, and you were right [19:02] kiko: do you have time for a question about the distro lp usage settings? [19:02] :) [19:02] joejaxx, sure. what's up? [19:02] kiko: well i know before i could change the usage for fluxbuntu [19:02] kiko: but i have no idea where those settings are now they used to be under distro details [19:02] kiko, I suppose someone (perhaps me) did put this source package as also affected in a bug reported against swfdec0.5 (in gutsy) [19:03] leroutier, you can enter bogus data in that form, and it's currently required that our DBA delete them. that sucks. it should be fixed for 1.1.11. [19:03] ok, thanks [19:03] joejaxx, under +edit, or +launchpad, I believe. [19:04] i will try +launchpad it was not undet +edit for me [19:05] kiko: i get a page not found [19:07] kiko: is there an ETA when PPA buildds will be taking packages? [19:07] joejaxx, what URL is your project? [19:08] launchpad.net/fluxbuntu [19:08] joejaxx, https://edge.launchpad.net/fluxbuntu/+edit -- see the end of the form. [19:09]