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Kopfgeldjaegern800:33
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100:35
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chowmeinedare there any plans to add like a way to detect which ACPI settings to use? like some kind of auto ACPI configuration system that will allow suspend etc work on more machines?01:55
sladenchowmeined: could you spec it;  the man question would be /how/ to present such an interface?02:01
chowmeinedno interface, just uses like dpkg-reconfigure and runs a bunch of tests to detect the configuration, the drivers in use etc.. then sets whatever needs to be tweaked to make suspend work for that config02:01
chowmeinedfor example, i just installed ubuntu 7.10 on a latitude d600.. to make suspend work, only a few settings in /etc/default/acpi-support needed to be changed02:02
chowmeinedso.. why not automate that02:03
sladenchowmeined: in the cases where the settings /are/ known, they are automated02:16
chowmeinedoh ok, so where can i add rules? id like to submit to wherever these need to go so they can be fixed for these types of computers02:17
sladenchowmeined: see /usr/share/acpi-support/Dell*.config02:17
chowmeinedok, thanks02:17
sladenchowmeined: yes, bank on, once you figure out the correct rules for your machine, (and how to identify it), https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+filebug with the name of your laptop in the subjet02:18
chowmeinedok, i work for an organization and we have lots of types of computers (standard model dells but).. it'd be nice to have them automatic for hardy02:19
chowmeinedi plan on testing hardy alphas extensively on our systems to make sure they will work02:20
sladenchowmeined: that would be very helpful;  there'll be a switch to pm-utils so that will need testing across them02:21
sladenchowmeined: and if the testing is done before release, it should make it into the final release for Hardy02:22
chowmeinedis there a blueprint for that?02:22
chowmeinedi guess i can google for it02:22
sladenthe pm-utils switchover, no, I don't think so02:22
sladenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pm-utils-integration02:23
chowmeinedoh there it is02:23
mneptokinsobox: could you please change your client's $REALNAME?02:56
mneptokand ident02:56
LaserJockhmm, I didn't know you had ops ;-)02:57
mneptokLaserJock: i don't tell anyone, as i want people to have faith and trust in the project :)02:58
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boitonoYou lazy nerds!  Your new update crashed his computer, tell my boyfriend how to fix it NOW!!04:35
somerville32boitono: Hello. Please see #ubuntu for support.04:36
Keybukboitono: first we'd have to know the problem04:37
ebrahimpersia, Salaam!05:01
persiaebrahim: Shalom05:02
ebrahimpersia, Are you Persian?05:02
persiaebrahim: No (and my Farsi is weak).  I was assigned this username when I first received a unix account (ages ago), and maintain it out of tradition.05:06
mneptokebrahim: wa-aleykum a-salaam :)05:07
ebrahimpersia, :D nice! You've been lucky to receive such a username.05:07
persiaebrahim: Yes, indeed :)05:08
ebrahimmneptok, :) Do you know Persian? or Arabic?05:08
mneptokebrahim: no, i'm an American. :)05:08
mneptokebrahim: Euro-American, precisely05:09
ebrahimmneptok, so were do you know the answer to Salaam?05:09
mneptokebrahim: i care about manners and etiquette?05:09
mneptok:)05:09
mneptokbismillah, no? :)05:10
ebrahimmneptok, :) Yes!05:10
sorenAdri2000: Sure, just go ahead with the pbuilder merge.05:15
Hobbseesoren: congratulations, oh new overlord05:17
sorenHobbsee: er?05:18
Hobbseesoren: MC05:18
sorenHobbsee: I've been stuck on a plane all day. I haven't a clue :)05:19
sorenHobbsee: Oh, cool.05:19
* soren goes t osee the results05:19
sorenThe so-called hi-speed internet at this hotel is not very impressive.05:21
Hobbseehah05:22
Hobbseehow fast is it?05:22
sorenThat's a very impressive vote.05:22
Hobbseethey're probably comparing it to au05:22
sorenI think they're comparing it to smoke signals.05:23
sorenBad ones.05:23
slangasekI'm content to compare it to .au05:24
Hobbseehaha05:26
Hobbseesoren: have you found the beer yet, though?05:26
* Hobbsee is greatful that sevilla had a good internet connection. at least downstairs.05:27
sorenOh yes. There's a reason I'm still aweake.05:27
sorenAnd can't spell "awake"05:27
soren(the last bit is not really true)05:27
sorenIt's hard to type properly with this much latency between key press and the character showing up on the screen.05:28
Hobbseesoren: just how bad is it?05:30
Hobbseesoren: like, what speed are you actually getting?05:30
jdongsoren: ooh you're at the hotel?05:32
jdongsoren: does the hotel use MIT internet, or the hotel chain's?05:32
* jdong looks out his window in the direction of the hotel :)05:32
mptHotel chain's05:33
jdongmpt: oh well, that sucks :(05:34
sorenHobbsee: From the time I press a key until I see the character, I'd guess it's slightly less than a secon.d05:34
sorenjdong: I have no clue.05:35
jdongsoren: are you on the 18.0.0.0/8 subnet?05:35
sorenNope.05:35
slangasekeew? 18.?05:35
soren172.17.0.0/1605:35
sorenOh, publically? Hang on, i'll check05:36
jdongslangasek: hey! what's wrong with our subnet? :)05:36
Hobbseesoren: yummy.05:36
Hobbseesoren: ssh'd out, presumably...05:37
sorenExternal IP: 12.172.70.205:37
jdongsoren: heh that's Hilton's block05:38
jdongthat sucks05:38
sorenQuite. I expect elmo has set up something decent downstairs.05:38
sorenOtherwise, I'll go nuts.05:38
jdongsoren: just come on campus and steal some drops :)05:38
Hobbseeif he can get off the netsplitting server, taht'd help :P05:38
* soren needs sleep05:39
ajmitchalready? :)05:39
sorenIt's 6:40 AM in my body's timezone.05:39
jdongsoren: pfft in MIT time that's the finishing touches on a problem set :)05:39
ajmitchjdong: I thought that was when you started assignments?05:40
jdongajmitch: shhh ;-)05:40
sorenjdong: Does your day start at 1 AM in MIT time?05:40
jdongsoren: days never end in MIT time :)05:40
sorenjdong: :p05:40
jdonguntil a suicide monday, then we finally get 24hr sleep :)05:40
* soren goes to sleep05:40
soreng'night.05:40
jdongnight05:40
Hobbseenight soren05:41
blahdeblahHi.  Does anyone know whether there is an effort within Canonical or the Ubuntu community to create a web-based update management service for Debian & Ubuntu machines (i.e. an equivalent to RHN for Red Hat or WSUS for Windows)?06:08
blahdeblahBefore i embark on such an endeavour, are there any efforts in this area that i should check out?  (Adapting another distribution's tool?  As a module of a larger monitoring/management package?)06:08
Hobbseeblahdeblah: landscape sounds similar, but i don't know of the details06:10
blahdeblahHobbsee: Got a link?06:10
Hobbseeblahdeblah: i'd guess https://launchpad.net/landscape but i'm not affiliated with it, so cant tell you more06:11
blahdeblahCool - thanks.06:12
Mithrandirhi Hobbsee06:22
HobbseeMithrandir!06:22
* Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir, then stomps on his feet06:22
HobbseeMithrandir: you in boston yet too?06:22
MithrandirI'm lying in bed, pondering breakfast, so please don.t06:22
Mithrandirno, incoming plane from Oslo was delayed, so I missed my connection06:23
Hobbseeurgh :(06:23
Mithrandirplane leaves in about 3.5 hours06:23
Hobbseei'm surprised the sydney people didnt get delayed too, (on the sydney flight)06:23
Hobbseeahhh06:23
stgraberMithrandir: :(06:23
Mithrandirshit happens, I'll be around tomorrow06:24
HobbseeMithrandir: true.  less beer for you, then.06:26
Mithrandirindeed. :-(06:27
Mithrandirbut I got maemo mapper up and running here, which is nice.06:28
Hobbsee:)06:29
ajmitchGPS app?06:32
Mithrandirajmitch: yup06:33
ebrahimWhere can I find info on ubuntulog?07:04
imbrandonebrahim, i'm pretty sure its one of seveas's bots , prod him07:26
ebrahimimbrandon, found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-3764552ccef65ea78b1fd8d16bee097a5ca6c76c in #kubuntu-devel ;)07:29
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Amaranthimbrandon: iirc fabbione actually runs ubuntulog08:50
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Kopfgeldjaegerhi10:31
ksivajiis it possible to integrate kget with opera10:43
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pittiGood morning12:36
Hobbseemorning pitti!12:36
StevenKMorning pitti12:36
* pitti hugs Hobbsee from the US east coast12:36
* Hobbsee hugs pitti back from australia12:36
Hobbseepitti: how many people have you hugged in the last 24 hours, then?  :)12:38
* Hobbsee suspects pitti went on a mass hug-a-thon12:39
pittiHobbsee: not that many yet actually, I arrived pretty late, so I only met 10 guys or so12:39
Hobbseepitti: awww12:40
Kmosubotu is down, anyone can re-start it ?12:50
Hobbseenews at 11.12:51
HobbseeKmos: if they could have, they would have already done so.  long ago.12:51
Kmos:-)12:51
Hobbseeand htey cant from here anyway12:51
KmosHobbsee: maybe only seveas has access to it12:52
HobbseeKmos: and based on the fact that seveas is not in this channel...12:52
Kmoshe's not on irc :(12:52
Hobbseewhich probably means that his, and ubotu's connection is broken.12:53
Kmosok12:54
Adri2000soren: pbuilder merge : http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/pbuilder_0.174ubuntu1.debdiff ; I changed gutsy to hardy in pbuilderrc. this is not test-built yet because of some latex unmetdeps.13:30
HobbseeAdri2000: he'll be at breakfast13:31
HobbseeAdri2000: pbuilder depends on latex now?13:32
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Adri2000Hobbsee: build-depends on dblatex yes13:36
sitshi there13:37
sitsis this the wrong channel for Launchpad devs?13:37
Kmossits: #launchpad13:37
sitsKmos: thank you13:37
HobbseeAdri2000: how weird.13:37
* minghua heard some story about texlive stuff uninstallable in hardy, too.13:37
Adri2000Hobbsee: it seems to be used for the doc13:39
HobbseeAdri2000: ahhh, okay.13:39
persiaTwo problems: imbalanced builds (should be OK soon), and an update required to libkpathsea.  Not huge, but needs attention.13:39
minghuapersia: Do you know more details about the required update to libkpathsea?  Is it poppler related?13:43
Burgundaviapopey: you around?13:45
persiaminghua: I'm not entirely sure.  I'm guessing it's security related.  Should be fixed with when the merge is done.13:47
minghuapersia: I see, thanks.13:52
HobbseeKmos: hi.  i see removal requests.  if any are wrong, should i mark them as wontfix, yell at you, get someone else to fix them, or all of the above?14:02
HobbseeKmos: as a start, do all the packages actually *exist* in ubuntu?14:02
* Hobbsee does not plan to spend time explaining, for you to then "forget" in an hour. again.14:05
* popey is around14:06
popeyshame burgundavia isn't14:06
sladenpopey: you made it?14:09
popeyyes14:10
popeythere was a mess up on the trains, so we ended up getting a bus part of the way14:10
popeyi wrote it up on the uds page in case others need that info14:11
popeyquite a number of canonical ppl here already14:11
popeysladen: when do you get here?14:11
sladenpopey: *cough*.  get where... ?14:11
KmosHobbsee: the ones to remove exists at ubuntu14:12
FujitsuKmos: Have they been removed from Debian already?14:12
KmosFujitsu: yep14:12
persiaKmos: Are they required to support upgrades from Dapper?14:12
FujitsuAren't Debian removals processed automagically>14:12
Fujitsu*?14:12
sladenpopey: made it to Reykjavík, have a talk to the LUG in an hour an a half14:12
popeyahhh14:12
persiaFujitsu: Depends.  Not usually.14:12
popeywhen do you hit boston?14:13
Kmospersia: that i don't know, if they'll break the upgrade14:13
mjg59popey: Hm. Silver+Red sounded easier, really...14:13
persiaKmos: You'll want to test that before the package gets removed.  We need to support Dapper upgrades for a while yet.14:13
popeyyeah, we had 5 people each with different directions14:13
popeychrist knows how14:13
popeymine was a print of the wiki page which was deemed "to verbose" so was dismissed :)14:14
* Hobbsee hums, taps fingers.14:14
Hobbseei wonder how hard it would be to find the old log, to save persia a whole lot of typing.14:14
persiaHobbsee: If it weren't for repeating things, I'd have nothing to say :)14:14
Kmospersia: one of them is merged into first package.. bug 15765914:15
persiaKmos: You don't have to tell me.  You have to explain in the bug, clearly enough that there's no question, and document all your testing.14:15
HobbseeKmos: that *doesn't* say if it's goign to break when upgrading from dapper.14:15
mjg59Time for some switft breakfast, I think14:15
Kmoshttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lckdo/+bug/157663 -> this one is now included in moreutils14:15
UbotwoLaunchpad bug 157663 in lckdo "Please remove lckdo from Ubuntu Hardy" [Wishlist,New]14:15
Hobbseemjg59: yes.  leave this channel, before you start throwing things at the wall14:16
HobbseeTheMuso!14:16
HobbseeKmos: now actually read what persia said.14:16
popeybreakfast was indeed good mjg5914:16
* popey ate too much bacon14:16
Hobbseemmm...bacon14:16
popeyfor a given definition of $too_much14:16
KmosHobbsee: i need to explain.. i think i've explained in description, i try to explain the best14:16
* StevenK didn't have any bacon.14:17
Chipzzpersia: well, to be honest, I don't think it's fair to hold that particular thing against Kmos... I don't dare to start yo imagine how many packages were removed during the past 3 release cycles without taking that into consideration14:17
HobbseeKmos: clearly you *havent* else we wouldnt be telling you what we were above.14:17
persiaChipzz: LTS.  Hardy is the next LTS.  We *must* support Dapper -> Hardy upgrades.14:18
Chipzzpersia: I *know* that14:18
HobbseeChipzz: most people actually thought about things (as in, the case where something is replaced by something else), and fixed them.  Kmos doesn't.14:19
Chipzzpersia: but it's very much possible similar breakage already *was* caused during the edgy/feisty/gutsy cycles by some oversight when removing packages...14:19
persiaChipzz: Perhaps you're right.  I'll check the removal logs.14:19
Chipzzpersia: can you be 100% sure that no-one has made such a mistake yet? I think you can't...14:20
HobbseeChipzz: btw, the sponsors tend to catch that sort of thing.  which is why kmos got such a grilling over it last time.14:20
HobbseeChipzz: we cant.  but 2 wrongs dont make a right, and at least attempting to get the vast majority correct would be good.14:20
persiaChipzz: No, I can't.  That's why I'm checking.14:20
Hobbseepersia: i wonder if there's a script that can check it all.14:21
Hobbseepersia: as in, dapper --> gutsy upgrade, and see what falls over14:21
persiaHobbsee: One could create such a script.  Set up a chroot.  debootstrap Dapper.  Install everything from the removal log.  dist-upgrade.  Trap errors.14:22
Chipzzpersia: uptil now dapper -> hardy upgrades were barely considered; I am pretty darn sure that, especially early in the edgy cycle, this was not taken into consideration/overlooked14:22
HobbseeChipzz: uh, no.  they've *long* been getting considered.14:23
HobbseeChipzz: what evidence do you have for your claim?14:23
persiaChipzz: I'm not sure about that.  I know we are keeping a number of transition packages just for that reason.14:23
* Hobbsee doesnt even recall Chipzz working with packages.14:23
ChipzzHobbsee: I don't, but I tend to be fairly familiar with debian and ubuntu, and I read most of what's being said in here (but in most cases I tend to keep out of the discussion)14:24
HobbseeChipzz: based on how it's usually spoken about in -motu14:24
Hobbseei can see why you would see it's not said here.14:25
Hobbseeall the main people *know* that they have to support dapper --> hardy, so there's no need to discuss it, is there?14:25
Hobbseetherefore, i cant see your claim as being valid :)14:25
persiaChipzz: That's probably it.  Most of the "we keep until later" discussion has happened in candidate removal bugs.14:25
StevenKThere's a need to dicuss *how*, but not *why*14:25
ChipzzHobbsee: also, I have seen remarks that testing dapper -> hardy upgrades was only going to get started to be tested during the hardy cycle14:25
HobbseeChipzz: actual physical testing.  yes.14:25
HobbseeChipzz: but it's not hard to go "i'm removing something, it's being replaced by something else, i'll fix it while i'm at it".  that's very different from physical testing.14:26
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Riddell(FOSSCamp in #fosscamp)14:27
ChipzzHobbsee: the bottom line of what I'm saying is, while I'm not a big fan of Kmos at all, I *do* think you (plural) are being a bit harsh on him with regard to to the dapper -> hardy issue14:27
ChipzzI think he'll not be the only one to oversee such issues14:28
Chipzzs/oversee/overlook/14:28
KmosChipzz: i'm the black cheap =)14:28
ChipzzKmos: and with good reason for that too...14:29
KmosChipzz: not always14:29
HobbseeChipzz: all the people get grilled on it14:29
HobbseeChipzz: of course, usually people understand the problem a little quicker, and only need the explanation once.14:30
Kmosthe are here to learn, and things from the past, shouldn't be merged with the present14:30
KmosHobbsee: and you know if it will break or not ? you talk to me as I'm a MOTU and not a user that likes to contribute14:30
HobbseeKmos: aren't you attempting to become a MOTU?14:31
ChipzzKmos: but I do agree that archive removal requests are best let to people intimitaly familiar with the archive14:31
HobbseeKmos: your wiki page says as much14:31
HobbseeKmos: i dont really care who you are - i care if you repeatedly try to break the archive - no matter who it is.14:31
Chipzzs/let/left/14:31
KmosHobbsee: i don't say there i won't be one right now14:31
Kmos*want14:31
Kmosi need to learn a lot of things first14:32
Kmosand with that, come my mistakes14:32
Hobbseeso, to you, consistent mistakes on the same issues are perfectly acceptable, because you're only a user trying to help, not a guy wanting upload rights?14:32
KmosChipzz: i just check some debian removals, and two of my requests are merged into another packages that are already in hardy14:32
KmosHobbsee: i like you to consider me as that now.. when I officially candidate as MOTU, you can give me right in the head14:33
KmosHobbsee: i'll remove it from my wiki =)14:34
HobbseeKmos: has it occured to you that there are other people who also want to help out, and if you consistently use up the majority of help on offer, due to not actually learning anything, and making the same mistakes over and over again, that you're not helping, and you're just wasting our time?14:34
KmosHobbsee: yeah.. but in that questions of upgrade breakage.. you don't think you're asking too much for me, even you don't know if it will break14:35
Kmosor not14:35
Kmoswiki is updated14:36
Hobbsee...14:36
minghuaKmos: No, I don't think Hobbsee is asking too much.14:36
* Hobbsee ponders any sane response that comes up from that.14:37
Hobbseebeyond writing to the mailing list, posting this log, and saying that kmos is clearly unsuitable - and that prefernece of help should be given to those who actually listen to it, and care about getting things right.14:37
KmosHobbsee: do what you want..14:37
minghuaKmos: If you are proposing a removal, you are supposed to know if it will break things or not, not Hobbsee.  If Hobbsee has questions, you'd better have good answers, or at least a "sorry, I didn't think about that, I'll think about now", and add that to bug report.14:38
Kmosminghua: i've commented bug 15766314:38
Kmosbecause of that14:38
Hobbseemneptok: i think i have a job for you.14:39
HobbseeKmos: why dont you care about getting the stuff right?14:39
minghuabug 15766314:39
Fujitsuminghua: ubotu is dead.14:39
Hobbseeminghua: i dont think this bot supports that14:39
HobbseeUbotwo: ping14:39
Ubotwopong14:39
minghuabug #15766314:39
HobbseeUbotwo: bug 15766314:40
UbotwoHobbsee: Error: "bug" is not a valid command.14:40
Hobbseenope14:40
FujitsuHah.14:40
minghuaOh well.14:40
KmosHobbsee: I care, but I don't know everything.. if i've written all the things needed14:40
HobbseeKmos: yet, when you get things explained to you, you dont seem to listen and actually remember the stuff.  at all.14:40
Hobbseehwo do you explain that?14:40
minghuaHobbsee: So someone explained the LTS->LTS upgrade issue to Kmos before he filed bug 157663?14:42
Hobbseeminghua: oh yes.  crywrap removal, to stunnel414:42
Hobbseeminghua: he finally got it, then.14:42
Hobbseeminghua: that was feisty.  i know, because i had the honours.14:43
KmosHobbsee: you don't have never explained me about this thing of removal package and how to do it.14:43
HobbseeKmos: do you want me to show you the fscking logs?14:43
minghuaHobbsee: ...right.  I won't waste my time here, then.14:43
KmosHobbsee: don't needed14:43
Kmosit's lunch time14:44
HobbseeKmos: really, don't lie, when things are publically logged.14:44
Hobbseeall it will prove is how you are.14:44
Hobbseeer, how you are lying.14:44
KmosHobbsee: you told me about that crywrap -> stunnel414:44
HobbseeKmos: which was the LTS->LTS upgrade stuff.14:45
KmosHobbsee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/singularity-data/+bug/15765914:45
UbotwoLaunchpad bug 157659 in singularity-data "Please remove singularity-data from Ubuntu Hardy" [Wishlist,New]14:46
Kmosthis one won't break anything14:46
Kmosit's merged into singularity package14:46
sorenWhere's ubotu?14:46
Kmosi think it won't break14:46
Kmossoren: down14:46
persiaKmos: Please document the reasoning in the bug, rather than in IRC.  The people who will make the final decision need to see the documentation, regardless of whether it works, or if we all agree.14:47
Hobbseesoren: seveas' connection appears to have fallen over14:47
ScottKKmos: This isn't the first time you've been grilled over not getting removal requests right.14:47
* Kmos lunch time14:49
KmosScottK: I know =)14:49
ScottKKmos: There is really no point in going through telling you stuff, you forget, make the same mistakes, and we tell you again and it's a big suprise to you every time.14:50
HobbseeScottK: but remember, according to kmos, he's only a user who wants to help, so shouldnt be required to actually get things right.  unless i'm misreading what he says above, of course.14:50
ScottKKmos: You REALLY need to find something to focus on that you do, in fact, know how to do.  I've no idea what that would be, but please find it.14:50
HobbseeScottK: getdeb, perhaps?14:51
* ScottK <-- AFK - Has better things to do.14:51
ScottKHobbsee: No, it's fairly clear he doesn't know how to package software.14:52
sorenHobbsee: I'm just reading a bit of backscroll here.. Is the dapper->hardy upgrade stuff documented on the wiki somewhere?14:52
Hobbseesoren: it's certainly in a spec14:52
Hobbseesoren: and has been discussed since dapper.14:52
sorenI know, I know.14:52
sorenI'm just wondring if it's appropriately linked on the MOTU pages or some such.14:52
Hobbseeso, it will be in the wiki somewhere, yes.14:52
Hobbseesoren: unsure, tbh.  we usually raise it with people when they do their first removal request, etc.14:52
persiasoren: It may not be.  We don't tend to provide much prescriptive documentation, more information on how to use tools and processes, rather than what to do with them.14:53
minghuasoren, Hobbsee: In the lckdo removal case (bug 157663), I think gutsy->hardy upgrade is affected, so it's not only LTS->LTS upgrade issue.14:54
sorenpersia: Yeah. I'm just thinking it might be worth the time to actually write this particular bit down.14:54
persiasoren: Perhaps.  I'm tempted to wait until after the MOTU wiki cleanup is more complete before adding much, just to reduce the coordination headache of the transition.14:55
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HobbseeKmos: new packages get done by the autosyncer, btw.15:13
HobbseeKmos: how do you thikn that all the other new packages get in?  someone requesting them all individually?15:14
StevenKI didn't think the autosyncer did that.15:15
StevenKI thought they were done semi-automatically by -archive guys15:15
HobbseeStevenK: well, they get stuck in source new, sure, but afaik, they get pulled there by the autosync15:16
StevenKHrm. I'll bug pitti when I see him15:17
Hobbseefreecol15:17
* Hobbsee goes to look15:17
FujitsuIt's not the normal autosyncer, but there is another script run manually every so often that pulls them in.15:17
HobbseeFujitsu: ahhh.15:19
HobbseeFujitsu: based on the size of the new queue, i'm unsurprised that they haven tdone it yet15:19
persiaIn gutsy, the NEW queue was processed agressively starting around mid-UDS.  I would expect the same this time.15:20
FujitsuHobbsee: As well as the build queue being too big for Soyuz to handle properly, yeah.15:20
Hobbseepersia: when people got bored of sessions?  *g*15:21
HobbseeFujitsu: fun15:21
persiaHobbsee: I can't speak to motivation :)15:21
Kopfgeldjaegerbcm43xx firmware makes 23 GB traffic in one week15:27
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Hobbseehiya jono15:53
Hobbseeagoliveira15:56
Hobbseebah.15:56
* Hobbsee kicks her tab completion15:57
calcHobbsee: hi16:00
Hobbseehi calc!16:00
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StevenKjono: You know, your laptop comes with a keyboard. :-P16:16
agoliveiraHobbsee: Did you call me?16:18
Hobbseeagoliveira: only by accident.16:18
* agoliveira feel unloved :(16:18
StevenKAwww16:18
* StevenK tickles agoliveira more16:19
* agoliveira moves to other room16:19
* Hobbsee hugs agoliveira16:20
* agoliveira wipe the tears and see the sunshine for the first time today...16:21
Hobbseeagoliveira: you can tell everyone else at the conference that you shouldnt all get klined now.16:22
* agoliveira is eating the "s" today...16:22
lifelessHobbsee: thanks!16:22
Hobbseeagoliveira: that can be your calling :)16:22
Hobbseelifeless: :)16:22
lifelessnow if only I irc'd from the conference so that I'd care :)16:23
* StevenK smirks16:23
Hobbseelifeless: they havent put the cloak in yet, but they should realise it's a harmless IP - at least, if they've read their mail.16:23
jonoStevenK: hehe16:23
StevenKjono: You don't like the laptop keyboard?16:24
ompaulHobbsee, as soon as they see the mail they should wrap the cloak aound it - can only be done by senior staffers16:24
Hobbseeompaul: yeah, thought so.16:25
Hobbseeguten tag, ogra16:29
Hobbseefound any nice cats yet?  :)16:29
ograhallo sarah16:29
ogranope, boston seems to be no cat city16:30
Hobbseeawww16:30
ograat least not one for stray cats :)16:30
Hobbseeaww16:30
* ScottK imagines stray cats being unlikely to survive the Boston winter.16:33
ograwhich winter ?16:34
Hobbseeboston has *multiple* winters?16:34
stgraberwell, it's warmer here than in switzerland :)16:35
* Hobbsee thinks that violates all that she learnt about seasons :)16:35
Hobbseestgraber: what's the normal temp of switzerland/16:35
ograi mean ... i brought all these warm sweaters and now is sit here in a t-shirt... sweating16:35
ogras/is/i/16:35
Hobbseeogra: ah.  hence, s/which/what/16:35
stgraberHobbsee: was something like 2°C the day before I left :)16:35
ograah16:35
Hobbseestgraber: oof.16:35
ograsame in .de16:35
ograhah !16:38
* ogra just found out why his evolution crashes all the time ...16:38
* ogra reboots16:38
TheMusoogasawara: The hotel is too warm IMO.16:59
TheMusough16:59
TheMusoograThe hotel is too warm IMO.16:59
stgraberTheMuso: +117:00
* TheMuso opened the window in his room to let some fresh air in. it was crazily warm overnight. I didn't sleep with much on me.17:00
TheMusoAs in, bed clothes.17:01
calcany gnome/totem devs around?17:01
calci have an ogg that appears to crash totem on 7.1017:01
* stgraber sleeps well, having no sleep for 40hours certainly helped :)17:02
* calc needs to hunt down seb128 here on the 3rd floor to show him17:02
TheMusostgraber: Aye.17:03
TheMusostgraber: i had a 20 hour trip, ad only managed to get 2 hours of sleep, if htat.17:03
TheMusoand even17:03
TheMusoAnd even now I am still a little tired, as I got up earlier than I really needed to it seems.17:03
stgraberTheMuso: I maybe slept for 30min in the plane but not much more, way too noisy and I don't seem to easily sleep in plane17:04
TheMusostgraber: I can sleep most places, but planes are the exception, so I know what you mean.17:04
calci found that i must be allergic to down, woke up with red itchy eyes17:04
TheMusocalc: Re that ogg, have you looked atht ehtags with vorbiscomment? Could there be anything in the tags that could cause totem to crash? And have you tried totem-xine?17:05
TheMusough typing not soo good either. :p17:05
calchaven't tried totem-xine yet17:05
TheMusomm ok.17:05
stgraberif that works with -xine, best would be to find another gstreamer based movie player and try with it17:06
stgraberso you can check if that's totem or backend related17:06
calcyea17:06
calchmm actually its not vorbis its an ogg video so vorbiscomment pukes on it17:08
stgrabercalc: maybe ogmtools and ogminfo17:09
stgraber(never used it)17:09
calchmm its actually not the file17:13
calcX Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)17:13
calci keep getting that for some reason17:13
calcit happens in totem-gstreamer totem-xine xine so far17:13
Hobbseememory?17:13
calci have plenty free17:14
calcbryce_: any ideas what cause that?17:14
calcRiddell: you are next to me... any ideas what cause BadAlloc when you aren't low on ram for displaying stuff in X?17:16
seb128calc: looks like a video driver issue17:16
mvocalc: compiz?17:16
seb128or that17:16
calcno compiz here17:16
calcon i94517:17
Hobbseemvo!17:17
Riddellcalc: do other videos work?17:17
seb128intel or i810?17:17
mvohey Hobbsee17:17
calci810 that should be intel, right?17:17
* calc wonders why it was set to i81017:17
seb128you can try the other one17:17
StevenKHrm. Mine is currently set to i81017:18
calcworks17:20
calcso it didn't like the i810 driver apparently17:22
TheMusoLovely.17:22
blueyedcalc: we have a fix ready for the gtk crash in OOo (bug 131526). Can you sponsor the upload/look at it?17:25
calcblueyed: for hardy?17:29
calcblueyed: i have a bunch of fixes to go in for gutsy-updates if that is what you are positioning it for17:29
blueyedcalc: for hardy and gutsy-proposed17:30
blueyedcalc: sweet! I've just found bug #155125, too - which has a patch also already.17:30
calcblueyed: can you email me at ccheney@ubuntu.com with this log and any other information you think is pertinent17:31
calci am running to another meeting, bbia 5m17:31
blueyedcalc: ok17:31
* calc back17:37
calcblueyed: when things calm down a bit i plan on uploading to a ppa for testing the fixes17:37
blueyedcalc: you don't want to do this.. I've been accused of causing DOS with my OOo upload. And actually the i386 build is likely to fail anyway.17:39
timbobstevecan I ask a question about custom usplash? or should I ask in #ubuntu ?17:39
calcblueyed: that is why it will be in a ppa17:41
calcblueyed: vs gutsy-proposed17:41
calcblueyed: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart17:41
Hobbseecalc: give it a few days - people want to get *some* stuff built in between 3 ooo uploads, and a whole bunch of langpacks17:41
* calc must be confused about what other OOo uploads17:42
Hobbseecalc: buildds are unusable for anyone else at the moment - have been for a couple of days17:42
blueyedcalc: I've been talking about my ppa. i386 is likely to fail there (at least my build failed)17:42
calcblueyed: ah ok17:42
calci'm waiting to see what other major bugs pop up, and i would like to get openoffice.org-base issue resolved as well in 1ubuntu5.2 if possible17:43
calci'm not sure yet how much work that will be17:43
calcyou uploaded 3 ppa's in one day?17:45
Hobbseecalc: 2 days.17:45
calcok so probably within 24hr anyway ;)17:45
* Hobbsee didn't check the hours :)17:45
* calc thinks he is trying to kill the buildds ;17:45
calc;)17:45
* Hobbsee just went looking for "why are people complaining about why their stuff isnt built yet"17:45
calcppa is autobuilt right?17:46
StevenKI think the autosyncer ran as well.17:46
Hobbseecalc: it does the queue automatically, yes17:47
calcHobbsee: ok17:48
Hobbseecalc: and main gets preference, i expect17:48
StevenKMain does17:48
Hobbseeyes, but i'm unsur ehow much of that goes for ppa too17:49
bryce_calc: sounds like the -intel bug in Xv Peter has a fix for perhaps; I can point you at the .deb later if you want to see if it fixes18:26
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joejaxxjono: there is an existing blueprint for live-cd-share-live-cd i proposed it for uds-boston on lp18:48
Supremuspitti, hello19:26
Supremuspitti, could you please check bug 10348919:26
warsocketwhere sould i go with a question about a programming technique to hide console output from other programs form my c program. I intent to submit my program to ubunut when its done.19:35
dooglushi all.  I would like to make an ubuntu package of ImageMagick using a recent release.  Where can I find instructions for doing so?19:35
warsocketthis channel or another?19:35
nixternaldooglus: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide19:36
dooglusnixternal: thanks19:37
nixternalno problem...dooglus, you can also check out #ubuntu-motu for packaging help19:37
dooglusnixternal: when I make the package, is there any chance it would be used by ubuntu?  the version currently shipped is very old, and misses quite a few featues, like the ability to optimize animated gifs19:38
nixternalyou can create a debdiff for the updated package, and yes there is a chance it would be used, as long as you did the package right...you could also submit it to revu.tauware.de as wel19:38
Supremuspitti, could you please check bug 10348919:47
pittiSupremus: not ATM, sorry (in a discussion round)19:48
Supremusok19:49
jdonghmm, XSBC-Original-Maintainer trips up pdebuild-internal20:16
jdongsomehow it thinks the name of the output debs is the value of XSBC-O-M20:16
TheMusoLovel/c20:16
TheMusough20:16
TheMusolovely20:16
* jdong tries to reproduce again20:17
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jdongcp: cannot stat `../<test@foobar.xsbc>': No such file or directory20:18
jdongreproduced20:18
coffeedudeQ: printing URL for the specifications mentioned?20:20
jdong   for files in $(sed -rn '/^Files:/,${s/.* ([^ ]+)$/}' ../${CHANGES}); do20:22
jdongthat's the line that must be broken20:22
jdongany sed overlords around?20:25
jdonggot it20:27
jdongshould SRU's to gutsy-proposed 0ubuntu1 rleease be 0ubuntu1.1, or 0ubuntu1.1~prop1?20:30
jdongsoren: ping20:31
StevenKMithrandir: You look like I feel.20:50
warsocketWhats the best approch if i'm looking for ppl to join my unifiedinstaller project (Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/UnifiedInstaller)20:51
MithrandirStevenK: heh. :-)20:51
MithrandirStevenK: I feel quite awake, but I'd like another beer soon.20:51
* StevenK hasn't had a drink at all.20:52
StevenKI have a feeling I will be face-planting in my bed upstairs early tonight.20:52
MithrandirI've had close to a bottle of wine today.20:52
MithrandirI think.20:52
StevenKIf you don't remember, you've drunk too much. Or too little.20:53
TheMusoStevenK: I think I'll be doing something similar. I'm awake now, but still feel somewhat tired.20:56
Adri2000Mithrandir: may I bug you to push that sru to -updates please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious-plugins/+bug/152918 it's been more than a week and there are more than two "works for me"20:56
UbotwoLaunchpad bug 152918 in audacious-plugins "Try to replace libcurl.so from audacious-plugins-extra" [High,Fix committed]20:56
MithrandirAdri2000: done21:02
Adri2000thanks21:04
Adri2000Mithrandir: should I update the bug or are you going to do it?21:05
MithrandirAdri2000: please do it you21:05
Adri2000ok21:05
sorenjdong: wazzup?21:07
jdongsoren: saw you touched pbuilder a lot21:08
jdongsoren: discovered this puppy this morning, and got a debdiff for it: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/15786721:09
UbotwoLaunchpad bug 157867 in pbuilder "pdebuild-internal broken when XSBC-Orig-Maintainer used because of faulty sed command" [Undecided,New]21:09
jdongit's a 1-liner and should be SRU'able, and of course applied to Hardy too21:09
sorenjdong: I'm a bit surprised that hasn't been triggered before.21:14
jdongsoren: as am I :)21:14
jdongbut the original sed matches any fields below Files:21:14
sorensure, sure, i get it :)21:15
sorenBut any X-* fieldn lands down there, AFAIR.21:15
jdongyeah, it appears that way21:15
sorenAh... I get it.21:15
Adri2000(don't forget there is that pending upload for hardy: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/pbuilder_0.174ubuntu1.debdiff :))21:15
sorenMost of the other custom fields are XS or XB, and hence don't land in changes.21:16
sorenAdri2000: I know, I know.  :)21:16
sorenI actually can't think of anything else that uses XC fields.21:17
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nachitohi21:44
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nachitohi21:44
nachitohi21:44
nachito:(21:44
mebrahimnachito, Hi!21:45
mebrahimnachito, :D21:45
nachitohablemos en espan^ol21:45
nachitospanish??21:46
SLaPoetnachito: de donde?21:46
nachitode Chile21:46
nachitoy tu ocmpadre?21:46
SLaPoetnachito: un momento21:46
nachitook21:47
SLaPoetnachito: #ubuntu-cl21:48
SLaPoetayudad  en espanol21:48
SLaPoetthat's about all the spanish i know21:48
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ompaul!es21:53
UbotwoSi busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.21:53
keescookmvo: I have a usb stick for you21:59
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mvokeescook: thanks!22:06
keescookmvo: sure!  :)  took a while to compress.  :)22:07
mvokeescook: its taking a while here to uncompress too :)22:07
keescookheh22:08
simiramvo: are you in Boston yet?22:08
mvosimira: hello! yes I am22:08
simiramvo: lucky you :p Could you rl-ping Tollef is you see him? He's been idle for an hour now, and I'd like to talk to him before I go to sleep.22:09
simiras/is/if22:09
sorenHow often does MoM run these days?22:09
mvosimira: sure, I will tell him if I run into him, he was here a couple of minutes ago but left the room22:10
simiramvo: thanksalot :) Have a nice time over there! (still not jealus :p )22:11
mvosimira: thanks :)22:12
sorenAdri2000: Your pbuilder merge looks good, thanks. I'll merge it with jdong's patch and upload in a bit.22:27
jdongsoren: fantastic, thanks22:28
sorenjdong: Do you have the lin to the bug report handy?22:29
jdongsoren: soren https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/15786722:32
UbotwoLaunchpad bug 157867 in pbuilder "pdebuild-internal broken when XSBC-Orig-Maintainer used because of faulty sed command" [Undecided,New]22:32
sorenjdThanks.22:32
jdongsure thing22:32
jdongthank you :)22:32
sorenAdri2000: It doesn't build due to latex annoyances.22:35
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