[00:33] n8 [00:35] bug 1 [00:35] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [01:55] are there any plans to add like a way to detect which ACPI settings to use? like some kind of auto ACPI configuration system that will allow suspend etc work on more machines? [02:01] chowmeined: could you spec it; the man question would be /how/ to present such an interface? [02:01] no interface, just uses like dpkg-reconfigure and runs a bunch of tests to detect the configuration, the drivers in use etc.. then sets whatever needs to be tweaked to make suspend work for that config [02:02] for example, i just installed ubuntu 7.10 on a latitude d600.. to make suspend work, only a few settings in /etc/default/acpi-support needed to be changed [02:03] so.. why not automate that [02:16] chowmeined: in the cases where the settings /are/ known, they are automated [02:17] oh ok, so where can i add rules? id like to submit to wherever these need to go so they can be fixed for these types of computers [02:17] chowmeined: see /usr/share/acpi-support/Dell*.config [02:17] ok, thanks [02:18] chowmeined: yes, bank on, once you figure out the correct rules for your machine, (and how to identify it), https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+filebug with the name of your laptop in the subjet [02:19] ok, i work for an organization and we have lots of types of computers (standard model dells but).. it'd be nice to have them automatic for hardy [02:20] i plan on testing hardy alphas extensively on our systems to make sure they will work [02:21] chowmeined: that would be very helpful; there'll be a switch to pm-utils so that will need testing across them [02:22] chowmeined: and if the testing is done before release, it should make it into the final release for Hardy [02:22] is there a blueprint for that? [02:22] i guess i can google for it [02:22] the pm-utils switchover, no, I don't think so [02:23] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pm-utils-integration [02:23] oh there it is [02:56] insobox: could you please change your client's $REALNAME? [02:56] and ident [02:57] hmm, I didn't know you had ops ;-) [02:58] LaserJock: i don't tell anyone, as i want people to have faith and trust in the project :) === bryce_ is now known as bryyce [04:35] You lazy nerds! Your new update crashed his computer, tell my boyfriend how to fix it NOW!! [04:36] boitono: Hello. Please see #ubuntu for support. [04:37] boitono: first we'd have to know the problem [05:01] persia, Salaam! [05:02] ebrahim: Shalom [05:02] persia, Are you Persian? [05:06] ebrahim: No (and my Farsi is weak). I was assigned this username when I first received a unix account (ages ago), and maintain it out of tradition. [05:07] ebrahim: wa-aleykum a-salaam :) [05:07] persia, :D nice! You've been lucky to receive such a username. [05:08] ebrahim: Yes, indeed :) [05:08] mneptok, :) Do you know Persian? or Arabic? [05:08] ebrahim: no, i'm an American. :) [05:09] ebrahim: Euro-American, precisely [05:09] mneptok, so were do you know the answer to Salaam? [05:09] ebrahim: i care about manners and etiquette? [05:09] :) [05:10] bismillah, no? :) [05:10] mneptok, :) Yes! [05:15] Adri2000: Sure, just go ahead with the pbuilder merge. [05:17] soren: congratulations, oh new overlord [05:18] Hobbsee: er? [05:18] soren: MC [05:19] Hobbsee: I've been stuck on a plane all day. I haven't a clue :) [05:19] Hobbsee: Oh, cool. [05:19] * soren goes t osee the results [05:21] The so-called hi-speed internet at this hotel is not very impressive. [05:22] hah [05:22] how fast is it? [05:22] That's a very impressive vote. [05:22] they're probably comparing it to au [05:23] I think they're comparing it to smoke signals. [05:23] Bad ones. [05:24] I'm content to compare it to .au [05:26] haha [05:26] soren: have you found the beer yet, though? [05:27] * Hobbsee is greatful that sevilla had a good internet connection. at least downstairs. [05:27] Oh yes. There's a reason I'm still aweake. [05:27] And can't spell "awake" [05:27] (the last bit is not really true) [05:28] It's hard to type properly with this much latency between key press and the character showing up on the screen. [05:30] soren: just how bad is it? [05:30] soren: like, what speed are you actually getting? [05:32] soren: ooh you're at the hotel? [05:32] soren: does the hotel use MIT internet, or the hotel chain's? [05:32] * jdong looks out his window in the direction of the hotel :) [05:33] Hotel chain's [05:34] mpt: oh well, that sucks :( [05:34] Hobbsee: From the time I press a key until I see the character, I'd guess it's slightly less than a secon.d [05:35] jdong: I have no clue. [05:35] soren: are you on the 18.0.0.0/8 subnet? [05:35] Nope. [05:35] eew? 18.? [05:35] 172.17.0.0/16 [05:36] Oh, publically? Hang on, i'll check [05:36] slangasek: hey! what's wrong with our subnet? :) [05:36] soren: yummy. [05:37] soren: ssh'd out, presumably... [05:37] External IP: 12.172.70.2 [05:38] soren: heh that's Hilton's block [05:38] that sucks [05:38] Quite. I expect elmo has set up something decent downstairs. [05:38] Otherwise, I'll go nuts. [05:38] soren: just come on campus and steal some drops :) [05:38] if he can get off the netsplitting server, taht'd help :P [05:39] * soren needs sleep [05:39] already? :) [05:39] It's 6:40 AM in my body's timezone. [05:39] soren: pfft in MIT time that's the finishing touches on a problem set :) [05:40] jdong: I thought that was when you started assignments? [05:40] ajmitch: shhh ;-) [05:40] jdong: Does your day start at 1 AM in MIT time? [05:40] soren: days never end in MIT time :) [05:40] jdong: :p [05:40] until a suicide monday, then we finally get 24hr sleep :) [05:40] * soren goes to sleep [05:40] g'night. [05:40] night [05:41] night soren [06:08] Hi. Does anyone know whether there is an effort within Canonical or the Ubuntu community to create a web-based update management service for Debian & Ubuntu machines (i.e. an equivalent to RHN for Red Hat or WSUS for Windows)? [06:08] Before i embark on such an endeavour, are there any efforts in this area that i should check out? (Adapting another distribution's tool? As a module of a larger monitoring/management package?) [06:10] blahdeblah: landscape sounds similar, but i don't know of the details [06:10] Hobbsee: Got a link? [06:11] blahdeblah: i'd guess https://launchpad.net/landscape but i'm not affiliated with it, so cant tell you more [06:12] Cool - thanks. [06:22] hi Hobbsee [06:22] Mithrandir! [06:22] * Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir, then stomps on his feet [06:22] Mithrandir: you in boston yet too? [06:22] I'm lying in bed, pondering breakfast, so please don.t [06:23] no, incoming plane from Oslo was delayed, so I missed my connection [06:23] urgh :( [06:23] plane leaves in about 3.5 hours [06:23] i'm surprised the sydney people didnt get delayed too, (on the sydney flight) [06:23] ahhh [06:23] Mithrandir: :( [06:24] shit happens, I'll be around tomorrow [06:26] Mithrandir: true. less beer for you, then. [06:27] indeed. :-( [06:28] but I got maemo mapper up and running here, which is nice. [06:29] :) [06:32] GPS app? [06:33] ajmitch: yup [07:04] Where can I find info on ubuntulog? [07:26] ebrahim, i'm pretty sure its one of seveas's bots , prod him [07:29] imbrandon, found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-3764552ccef65ea78b1fd8d16bee097a5ca6c76c in #kubuntu-devel ;) === nkassi is now known as crbrocket [08:50] imbrandon: iirc fabbione actually runs ubuntulog === asac_ is now known as asac [10:31] hi [10:43] is it possible to integrate kget with opera === Saied_ is now known as Saied === patrick_ is now known as jpatrick [12:36] Good morning [12:36] morning pitti! [12:36] Morning pitti [12:36] * pitti hugs Hobbsee from the US east coast [12:36] * Hobbsee hugs pitti back from australia [12:38] pitti: how many people have you hugged in the last 24 hours, then? :) [12:39] * Hobbsee suspects pitti went on a mass hug-a-thon [12:39] Hobbsee: not that many yet actually, I arrived pretty late, so I only met 10 guys or so [12:40] pitti: awww [12:50] ubotu is down, anyone can re-start it ? [12:51] news at 11. [12:51] Kmos: if they could have, they would have already done so. long ago. [12:51] :-) [12:51] and htey cant from here anyway [12:52] Hobbsee: maybe only seveas has access to it [12:52] Kmos: and based on the fact that seveas is not in this channel... [12:52] he's not on irc :( [12:53] which probably means that his, and ubotu's connection is broken. [12:54] ok [13:30] soren: pbuilder merge : http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/pbuilder_0.174ubuntu1.debdiff ; I changed gutsy to hardy in pbuilderrc. this is not test-built yet because of some latex unmetdeps. [13:31] Adri2000: he'll be at breakfast [13:32] Adri2000: pbuilder depends on latex now? === ompaulafk is now known as ompaul [13:36] Hobbsee: build-depends on dblatex yes [13:37] hi there [13:37] is this the wrong channel for Launchpad devs? [13:37] sits: #launchpad [13:37] Kmos: thank you [13:37] Adri2000: how weird. [13:37] * minghua heard some story about texlive stuff uninstallable in hardy, too. [13:39] Hobbsee: it seems to be used for the doc [13:39] Adri2000: ahhh, okay. [13:39] Two problems: imbalanced builds (should be OK soon), and an update required to libkpathsea. Not huge, but needs attention. [13:43] persia: Do you know more details about the required update to libkpathsea? Is it poppler related? [13:45] popey: you around? [13:47] minghua: I'm not entirely sure. I'm guessing it's security related. Should be fixed with when the merge is done. [13:52] persia: I see, thanks. [14:02] Kmos: hi. i see removal requests. if any are wrong, should i mark them as wontfix, yell at you, get someone else to fix them, or all of the above? [14:02] Kmos: as a start, do all the packages actually *exist* in ubuntu? [14:05] * Hobbsee does not plan to spend time explaining, for you to then "forget" in an hour. again. [14:06] * popey is around [14:06] shame burgundavia isn't [14:09] popey: you made it? [14:10] yes [14:10] there was a mess up on the trains, so we ended up getting a bus part of the way [14:11] i wrote it up on the uds page in case others need that info [14:11] quite a number of canonical ppl here already [14:11] sladen: when do you get here? [14:11] popey: *cough*. get where... ? [14:12] Hobbsee: the ones to remove exists at ubuntu [14:12] Kmos: Have they been removed from Debian already? [14:12] Fujitsu: yep [14:12] Kmos: Are they required to support upgrades from Dapper? [14:12] Aren't Debian removals processed automagically> [14:12] *? [14:12] popey: made it to Reykjavík, have a talk to the LUG in an hour an a half [14:12] ahhh [14:12] Fujitsu: Depends. Not usually. [14:13] when do you hit boston? [14:13] persia: that i don't know, if they'll break the upgrade [14:13] popey: Hm. Silver+Red sounded easier, really... [14:13] Kmos: You'll want to test that before the package gets removed. We need to support Dapper upgrades for a while yet. [14:13] yeah, we had 5 people each with different directions [14:13] christ knows how [14:14] mine was a print of the wiki page which was deemed "to verbose" so was dismissed :) [14:14] * Hobbsee hums, taps fingers. [14:14] i wonder how hard it would be to find the old log, to save persia a whole lot of typing. [14:14] Hobbsee: If it weren't for repeating things, I'd have nothing to say :) [14:15] persia: one of them is merged into first package.. bug 157659 [14:15] Kmos: You don't have to tell me. You have to explain in the bug, clearly enough that there's no question, and document all your testing. [14:15] Kmos: that *doesn't* say if it's goign to break when upgrading from dapper. [14:15] Time for some switft breakfast, I think [14:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lckdo/+bug/157663 -> this one is now included in moreutils [14:15] Launchpad bug 157663 in lckdo "Please remove lckdo from Ubuntu Hardy" [Wishlist,New] [14:16] mjg59: yes. leave this channel, before you start throwing things at the wall [14:16] TheMuso! [14:16] Kmos: now actually read what persia said. [14:16] breakfast was indeed good mjg59 [14:16] * popey ate too much bacon [14:16] mmm...bacon [14:16] for a given definition of $too_much [14:16] Hobbsee: i need to explain.. i think i've explained in description, i try to explain the best [14:17] * StevenK didn't have any bacon. [14:17] persia: well, to be honest, I don't think it's fair to hold that particular thing against Kmos... I don't dare to start yo imagine how many packages were removed during the past 3 release cycles without taking that into consideration [14:17] Kmos: clearly you *havent* else we wouldnt be telling you what we were above. [14:18] Chipzz: LTS. Hardy is the next LTS. We *must* support Dapper -> Hardy upgrades. [14:18] persia: I *know* that [14:19] Chipzz: most people actually thought about things (as in, the case where something is replaced by something else), and fixed them. Kmos doesn't. [14:19] persia: but it's very much possible similar breakage already *was* caused during the edgy/feisty/gutsy cycles by some oversight when removing packages... [14:19] Chipzz: Perhaps you're right. I'll check the removal logs. [14:20] persia: can you be 100% sure that no-one has made such a mistake yet? I think you can't... [14:20] Chipzz: btw, the sponsors tend to catch that sort of thing. which is why kmos got such a grilling over it last time. [14:20] Chipzz: we cant. but 2 wrongs dont make a right, and at least attempting to get the vast majority correct would be good. [14:20] Chipzz: No, I can't. That's why I'm checking. [14:21] persia: i wonder if there's a script that can check it all. [14:21] persia: as in, dapper --> gutsy upgrade, and see what falls over [14:22] Hobbsee: One could create such a script. Set up a chroot. debootstrap Dapper. Install everything from the removal log. dist-upgrade. Trap errors. [14:22] persia: uptil now dapper -> hardy upgrades were barely considered; I am pretty darn sure that, especially early in the edgy cycle, this was not taken into consideration/overlooked [14:23] Chipzz: uh, no. they've *long* been getting considered. [14:23] Chipzz: what evidence do you have for your claim? [14:23] Chipzz: I'm not sure about that. I know we are keeping a number of transition packages just for that reason. [14:23] * Hobbsee doesnt even recall Chipzz working with packages. [14:24] Hobbsee: I don't, but I tend to be fairly familiar with debian and ubuntu, and I read most of what's being said in here (but in most cases I tend to keep out of the discussion) [14:24] Chipzz: based on how it's usually spoken about in -motu [14:25] i can see why you would see it's not said here. [14:25] all the main people *know* that they have to support dapper --> hardy, so there's no need to discuss it, is there? [14:25] therefore, i cant see your claim as being valid :) [14:25] Chipzz: That's probably it. Most of the "we keep until later" discussion has happened in candidate removal bugs. [14:25] There's a need to dicuss *how*, but not *why* [14:25] Hobbsee: also, I have seen remarks that testing dapper -> hardy upgrades was only going to get started to be tested during the hardy cycle [14:25] Chipzz: actual physical testing. yes. [14:26] Chipzz: but it's not hard to go "i'm removing something, it's being replaced by something else, i'll fix it while i'm at it". that's very different from physical testing. === Riddell changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with hardy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Hardy opened, go wild! | FOSSCamp in #fosscamp [14:27] (FOSSCamp in #fosscamp) [14:27] Hobbsee: the bottom line of what I'm saying is, while I'm not a big fan of Kmos at all, I *do* think you (plural) are being a bit harsh on him with regard to to the dapper -> hardy issue [14:28] I think he'll not be the only one to oversee such issues [14:28] s/oversee/overlook/ [14:28] Chipzz: i'm the black cheap =) [14:29] Kmos: and with good reason for that too... [14:29] Chipzz: not always [14:29] Chipzz: all the people get grilled on it [14:30] Chipzz: of course, usually people understand the problem a little quicker, and only need the explanation once. [14:30] the are here to learn, and things from the past, shouldn't be merged with the present [14:30] Hobbsee: and you know if it will break or not ? you talk to me as I'm a MOTU and not a user that likes to contribute [14:31] Kmos: aren't you attempting to become a MOTU? [14:31] Kmos: but I do agree that archive removal requests are best let to people intimitaly familiar with the archive [14:31] Kmos: your wiki page says as much [14:31] Kmos: i dont really care who you are - i care if you repeatedly try to break the archive - no matter who it is. [14:31] s/let/left/ [14:31] Hobbsee: i don't say there i won't be one right now [14:31] *want [14:32] i need to learn a lot of things first [14:32] and with that, come my mistakes [14:32] so, to you, consistent mistakes on the same issues are perfectly acceptable, because you're only a user trying to help, not a guy wanting upload rights? [14:32] Chipzz: i just check some debian removals, and two of my requests are merged into another packages that are already in hardy [14:33] Hobbsee: i like you to consider me as that now.. when I officially candidate as MOTU, you can give me right in the head [14:34] Hobbsee: i'll remove it from my wiki =) [14:34] Kmos: has it occured to you that there are other people who also want to help out, and if you consistently use up the majority of help on offer, due to not actually learning anything, and making the same mistakes over and over again, that you're not helping, and you're just wasting our time? [14:35] Hobbsee: yeah.. but in that questions of upgrade breakage.. you don't think you're asking too much for me, even you don't know if it will break [14:35] or not [14:36] wiki is updated [14:36] ... [14:36] Kmos: No, I don't think Hobbsee is asking too much. [14:37] * Hobbsee ponders any sane response that comes up from that. [14:37] beyond writing to the mailing list, posting this log, and saying that kmos is clearly unsuitable - and that prefernece of help should be given to those who actually listen to it, and care about getting things right. [14:37] Hobbsee: do what you want.. [14:38] Kmos: If you are proposing a removal, you are supposed to know if it will break things or not, not Hobbsee. If Hobbsee has questions, you'd better have good answers, or at least a "sorry, I didn't think about that, I'll think about now", and add that to bug report. [14:38] minghua: i've commented bug 157663 [14:38] because of that [14:39] mneptok: i think i have a job for you. [14:39] Kmos: why dont you care about getting the stuff right? [14:39] bug 157663 [14:39] minghua: ubotu is dead. [14:39] minghua: i dont think this bot supports that [14:39] Ubotwo: ping [14:39] pong [14:39] bug #157663 [14:40] Ubotwo: bug 157663 [14:40] Hobbsee: Error: "bug" is not a valid command. [14:40] nope [14:40] Hah. [14:40] Oh well. [14:40] Hobbsee: I care, but I don't know everything.. if i've written all the things needed [14:40] Kmos: yet, when you get things explained to you, you dont seem to listen and actually remember the stuff. at all. [14:40] hwo do you explain that? [14:42] Hobbsee: So someone explained the LTS->LTS upgrade issue to Kmos before he filed bug 157663? [14:42] minghua: oh yes. crywrap removal, to stunnel4 [14:42] minghua: he finally got it, then. [14:43] minghua: that was feisty. i know, because i had the honours. [14:43] Hobbsee: you don't have never explained me about this thing of removal package and how to do it. [14:43] Kmos: do you want me to show you the fscking logs? [14:43] Hobbsee: ...right. I won't waste my time here, then. [14:43] Hobbsee: don't needed [14:44] it's lunch time [14:44] Kmos: really, don't lie, when things are publically logged. [14:44] all it will prove is how you are. [14:44] er, how you are lying. [14:44] Hobbsee: you told me about that crywrap -> stunnel4 [14:45] Kmos: which was the LTS->LTS upgrade stuff. [14:45] Hobbsee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/singularity-data/+bug/157659 [14:46] Launchpad bug 157659 in singularity-data "Please remove singularity-data from Ubuntu Hardy" [Wishlist,New] [14:46] this one won't break anything [14:46] it's merged into singularity package [14:46] Where's ubotu? [14:46] i think it won't break [14:46] soren: down [14:47] Kmos: Please document the reasoning in the bug, rather than in IRC. The people who will make the final decision need to see the documentation, regardless of whether it works, or if we all agree. [14:47] soren: seveas' connection appears to have fallen over [14:47] Kmos: This isn't the first time you've been grilled over not getting removal requests right. [14:49] * Kmos lunch time [14:49] ScottK: I know =) [14:50] Kmos: There is really no point in going through telling you stuff, you forget, make the same mistakes, and we tell you again and it's a big suprise to you every time. [14:50] ScottK: but remember, according to kmos, he's only a user who wants to help, so shouldnt be required to actually get things right. unless i'm misreading what he says above, of course. [14:50] Kmos: You REALLY need to find something to focus on that you do, in fact, know how to do. I've no idea what that would be, but please find it. [14:51] ScottK: getdeb, perhaps? [14:51] * ScottK <-- AFK - Has better things to do. [14:52] Hobbsee: No, it's fairly clear he doesn't know how to package software. [14:52] Hobbsee: I'm just reading a bit of backscroll here.. Is the dapper->hardy upgrade stuff documented on the wiki somewhere? [14:52] soren: it's certainly in a spec [14:52] soren: and has been discussed since dapper. [14:52] I know, I know. [14:52] I'm just wondring if it's appropriately linked on the MOTU pages or some such. [14:52] so, it will be in the wiki somewhere, yes. [14:52] soren: unsure, tbh. we usually raise it with people when they do their first removal request, etc. [14:53] soren: It may not be. We don't tend to provide much prescriptive documentation, more information on how to use tools and processes, rather than what to do with them. [14:54] soren, Hobbsee: In the lckdo removal case (bug 157663), I think gutsy->hardy upgrade is affected, so it's not only LTS->LTS upgrade issue. [14:54] persia: Yeah. I'm just thinking it might be worth the time to actually write this particular bit down. [14:55] soren: Perhaps. I'm tempted to wait until after the MOTU wiki cleanup is more complete before adding much, just to reduce the coordination headache of the transition. === blueyed__ is now known as blueyed [15:13] Kmos: new packages get done by the autosyncer, btw. [15:14] Kmos: how do you thikn that all the other new packages get in? someone requesting them all individually? [15:15] I didn't think the autosyncer did that. [15:15] I thought they were done semi-automatically by -archive guys [15:16] StevenK: well, they get stuck in source new, sure, but afaik, they get pulled there by the autosync [15:17] Hrm. I'll bug pitti when I see him [15:17] freecol [15:17] * Hobbsee goes to look [15:17] It's not the normal autosyncer, but there is another script run manually every so often that pulls them in. [15:19] Fujitsu: ahhh. [15:19] Fujitsu: based on the size of the new queue, i'm unsurprised that they haven tdone it yet [15:20] In gutsy, the NEW queue was processed agressively starting around mid-UDS. I would expect the same this time. [15:20] Hobbsee: As well as the build queue being too big for Soyuz to handle properly, yeah. [15:21] persia: when people got bored of sessions? *g* [15:21] Fujitsu: fun [15:21] Hobbsee: I can't speak to motivation :) [15:27] bcm43xx firmware makes 23 GB traffic in one week === pedro is now known as pedro_ [15:53] hiya jono [15:56] agoliveira [15:56] bah. [15:57] * Hobbsee kicks her tab completion [16:00] Hobbsee: hi [16:00] hi calc! === KristianLy is now known as KristianL === agoliveir1 is now known as agoliveira [16:16] jono: You know, your laptop comes with a keyboard. :-P [16:18] Hobbsee: Did you call me? [16:18] agoliveira: only by accident. [16:18] * agoliveira feel unloved :( [16:18] Awww [16:19] * StevenK tickles agoliveira more [16:19] * agoliveira moves to other room [16:20] * Hobbsee hugs agoliveira [16:21] * agoliveira wipe the tears and see the sunshine for the first time today... [16:22] agoliveira: you can tell everyone else at the conference that you shouldnt all get klined now. [16:22] * agoliveira is eating the "s" today... [16:22] Hobbsee: thanks! [16:22] agoliveira: that can be your calling :) [16:22] lifeless: :) [16:23] now if only I irc'd from the conference so that I'd care :) [16:23] * StevenK smirks [16:23] lifeless: they havent put the cloak in yet, but they should realise it's a harmless IP - at least, if they've read their mail. [16:23] StevenK: hehe [16:24] jono: You don't like the laptop keyboard? [16:24] Hobbsee, as soon as they see the mail they should wrap the cloak aound it - can only be done by senior staffers [16:25] ompaul: yeah, thought so. [16:29] guten tag, ogra [16:29] found any nice cats yet? :) [16:29] hallo sarah [16:30] nope, boston seems to be no cat city [16:30] awww [16:30] at least not one for stray cats :) [16:30] aww [16:33] * ScottK imagines stray cats being unlikely to survive the Boston winter. [16:34] which winter ? [16:34] boston has *multiple* winters? [16:35] well, it's warmer here than in switzerland :) [16:35] * Hobbsee thinks that violates all that she learnt about seasons :) [16:35] stgraber: what's the normal temp of switzerland/ [16:35] i mean ... i brought all these warm sweaters and now is sit here in a t-shirt... sweating [16:35] s/is/i/ [16:35] ogra: ah. hence, s/which/what/ [16:35] Hobbsee: was something like 2°C the day before I left :) [16:35] ah [16:35] stgraber: oof. [16:35] same in .de [16:38] hah ! [16:38] * ogra just found out why his evolution crashes all the time ... [16:38] * ogra reboots [16:59] ogasawara: The hotel is too warm IMO. [16:59] ugh [16:59] ograThe hotel is too warm IMO. [17:00] TheMuso: +1 [17:00] * TheMuso opened the window in his room to let some fresh air in. it was crazily warm overnight. I didn't sleep with much on me. [17:01] As in, bed clothes. [17:01] any gnome/totem devs around? [17:01] i have an ogg that appears to crash totem on 7.10 [17:02] * stgraber sleeps well, having no sleep for 40hours certainly helped :) [17:02] * calc needs to hunt down seb128 here on the 3rd floor to show him [17:03] stgraber: Aye. [17:03] stgraber: i had a 20 hour trip, ad only managed to get 2 hours of sleep, if htat. [17:03] and even [17:03] And even now I am still a little tired, as I got up earlier than I really needed to it seems. [17:04] TheMuso: I maybe slept for 30min in the plane but not much more, way too noisy and I don't seem to easily sleep in plane [17:04] stgraber: I can sleep most places, but planes are the exception, so I know what you mean. [17:04] i found that i must be allergic to down, woke up with red itchy eyes [17:05] calc: Re that ogg, have you looked atht ehtags with vorbiscomment? Could there be anything in the tags that could cause totem to crash? And have you tried totem-xine? [17:05] ugh typing not soo good either. :p [17:05] haven't tried totem-xine yet [17:05] mm ok. [17:06] if that works with -xine, best would be to find another gstreamer based movie player and try with it [17:06] so you can check if that's totem or backend related [17:06] yea [17:08] hmm actually its not vorbis its an ogg video so vorbiscomment pukes on it [17:09] calc: maybe ogmtools and ogminfo [17:09] (never used it) [17:13] hmm its actually not the file [17:13]