=== Earl_of_Dunham is now known as n8k99 === uga is now known as uga|away [00:44] to whoever knows what im talking about [00:44] i got leopard! [00:45] :( [00:45] coreymon: is it all that and then some? [00:54] * gnomefreak needs a mac first [00:55] * Tm_T doesnt need a max [00:55] mac [00:55] unless you found a way to run it on pc [00:55] Tm_T: ty that too [00:55] oh your typo [00:55] :p [00:56] I'm happy with Kubuntu [00:56] now that they are intel based if the proc is same intel i dont see why running it on pc wouldnt be possible [00:58] only other OS I'm interested to buy is BeOS Zeta [00:58] but oh thats not possible =) [00:59] gnomefreak: imbrandon has run OS X on a PC [00:59] BeOS as in linux (cant remember if its debian based or not off hand) [00:59] so am i [00:59] im very happy with kubuntu [00:59] i just have a macbook [00:59] is it a normal install or do you have to fudge it a bit? [00:59] gnomefreak: me [00:59] ? [00:59] * gnomefreak can get a copy for nothing [01:00] coreymon: if you run OS X on a reg pc [01:00] gnomefreak: i think you have to mess around a bit [01:00] gnomefreak: i have a macbook anyways, so makes no diff to me [01:01] gnomefreak: ? [01:01] gnomefreak: but i think on a regular pc, you have to mess around a bit [01:02] gnomefreak: its a liscence and warranty violation though [01:02] gnomefreak: 0259 < gnomefreak> BeOS as in linux (cant remember if its debian based or not off hand) [01:02] yep i know [01:02] so dont expect any support, even on the irc channel [01:02] what you mean by that? [01:02] Tm_T: BeOS as in the linux distro? [01:02] gnomefreak: no, BeOS as the OS [01:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnussoft_ZETA [01:02] oh thinking of something else than [01:02] gnomefreak: i suggest just buying a real mac :P [01:03] coreymon: yeah if they were $2000 USD and up [01:03] gnomefreak: oh ya, things are a bit more expensive in the states nowadays for americans!!! :p [01:03] Working state: Dismissed << not a good sign [01:04] * coreymon gloats about the soaring loonie [01:04] gnomefreak: yes, rights issues :( [01:04] gnomefreak: if they just had spread all sources open so we could have it for free ;-P [01:05] very true [01:05] gnomefreak: hows being second to the canadian dollar doing for you guys? [01:06] coreymon: dont know didnt know it changed all i know is shit is getting expensive [01:06] gnomefreak: wlecome to our world! [01:07] gnomefreak: now you get a taste of what we have been dealing with for the past 30 years [01:07] coreymon: last mac i bought (was for my god daughter) was over 5 years ago and i paid ~2500 dollars i can just imagine what it is now [01:08] gnomefreak: finally, canadians get the upside of the coin! [01:08] gnomefreak: punn intended [01:11] gnomefreak: http://download.freenet.de/archiv_z/zeta_live-cd_7560.html [01:11] archive down? [01:13] ? [01:13] what you mean? [01:14] most of zeta archives are down [01:14] do you have this page in english :( [01:15] no [01:16] http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/filepilot/linux/system/zeta/ZETA_LiveCD_1.21.zip [01:16] :( [01:18] gnomefreak: better luck with that? [01:20] hold on a sec [01:20] :p [01:21] freenet.de is dutch [01:21] no? [01:21] german [01:22] ok its a zip file? [01:22] which containing needed files [01:22] so unzip and burn it as image? [01:22] IIRC it contains image [01:23] ah ok ill try it [01:24] that a bug zip file [01:25] ? [01:25] -bug +big [01:25] heh [01:26] 600 MB image [01:26] 229.3 [01:26] yes, the zip [01:26] ah ok [01:27] damn thats a good compression [01:32] shit [01:32] the vnc prograam and speed built into leopard is incredible [01:33] its basically full speed! [01:27] ewww zeta is yuck [01:27] * claydoh is a former BeOS user [01:27] never loked zeta, felt slow [01:28] claydoh: heh [01:28] * claydoh checks out haiku now and again [01:28] man the Be on my old 233mhz box could play 5 videos at the same time, no log or slowdown [01:29] lag [01:32] hmmm [01:32] * claydoh wonders if it will install in virtualbox..... [01:32] lol distracted again [02:54] Welcome back all [02:54] * Daskreech gives back the torch [02:56] nice split [03:06] Yeah [03:06] Interesting that begert_ remained while begert got kicked [03:11] PC and laptop [03:11] where? [03:12] that is weird though......wonder what I am breaking now [03:12] * booga is begert [03:16] Hi booga [03:16] booga night! [03:16] * Tm_T dances [03:16] ...wait, boogie, not booga [03:16] bah, I don't know what I did [03:17] whatever, sup guys [03:17] compiling KDE is hard :( [03:17] not having a very good time with this [03:17] no ./configure ? [03:17] :( [03:17] building KDE4 is fun <3 [03:18] There is a KDE4B4 ? [03:18] yes [03:18] hum, is there? [03:18] hum, wait [03:18] I am trying to build kde4 [03:19] 1224 < CIA-4> mueller * r729576 /tags/KDE/3.95/ (19 files in 18 dirs): tagging KDE 4.0 beta4 / KDE Platform RC1 [03:19] bah [03:19] happened 17 hours ago [03:19] CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found. [03:19] or more [03:20] booga: did apt-get build-dep kdefoofoo magic already? [03:20] ......bwah? [03:21] I am following steps on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian [03:22] hrrrr [03:29] maybe I will just stick to writing bug reports for awhile :P [03:30] haha [03:30] booga: you wont learn without trying [03:30] I tried.....I will try again later [03:30] tired of googling for the moment [03:32] Cool they have a Kubuntu walkthrough :) [03:32] Riddell: Awake? [03:32] Daskreech: cant be in this early [03:33] damn I keep trying to rationalize KDe4 for Kubuntu in my head [03:35] The assumption is that 8.10 ships KDE4 right? [03:35] we hope [03:36] Hi Hobbsee [03:36] How goes? [03:37] hiya [03:37] reading ScottK's mail [03:38] * Daskreech goes to see if ScottK sent him mail [03:38] it's on the MOTU ML [03:38] mooooh [03:38] Ah then I didn't get it :) [03:39] what's it about? [03:39] have a read [03:39] anyone interested to test one tiny thing in Amarok ? [03:43] hmm, so that doesnt work, time to use magical Kate [03:46] freeflying: hi [03:46] Tm_T: hi [03:46] how areyou? [03:47] I'm fine. thanks [03:47] urgh. that's right, i need to blackhole the kubuntu-members address [04:03] Hobbsee: urm? [04:06] Tm_T: so we dont keep getting mails of build failures [04:07] errr [04:07] like? [04:07] ppa build failures? [04:08] anyone does LPI? [04:15] Hobbsee: any example mail? [04:15] Tm_T: you arent getting it? [04:15] no, sorry [04:17] odd [04:17] So [04:18] I'm interested in the upgrade of LTS-> LTS [04:18] but I'm also interested in the dist upgrade from KDE3 to a KDE4 Kubuntu [04:19] :( [04:19] * Tm_T feels plain stupid [04:19] Should the upgrade ask if they want to keep the KDE3 stuff around? [04:20] Daskreech: IMHO they should "co-exist" one way or another [04:20] Yes I don't have an issue with them coexisting [04:21] Daskreech: so yes, should ask, if not keep them without asking [04:21] But should someone who wants to move over to KDE4 HAVE to reinstall or scrub KDE3 stuff manually? [04:22] they're supposed to coexist. [04:22] no - different ~/.kde dirs [04:23] Yeah I know they will live fine together [04:25] Just trying to figure out the user experience of getting there === Earl_of_Dunham is now known as n8k99 [04:39] Daskreech: hum, there should be no "user experience" as they have separate settings and all [04:39] except, you have to do settings all over again ofcourse :( [04:39] Yes but will they get confuzzled by having two konqueror options? [04:39] and one of them works and the other doesn't [04:40] By works I mean remembers your bookmarks etc [04:40] awww [04:40] true [04:41] nixternal: ping [04:41] I guess mhb ping as well [04:44] Riddell: stealing your 2 red universe merges [04:51] yo yo [04:51] hiya nixternal [04:51] well hello there Ms. Hobbsee :) [04:51] how are you this fine day? [04:52] well, i havent quit motu yet [04:52] and of course with Beta 5 comes the introduction of kde4base-runtime... yay \o/ [04:52] who needs MOTU when you are a core-dev anyways :) [04:52] hey nixternal how do you think we should document the KDE3->KDE4 move? [04:53] do you really want to know? [04:53] seeing as it is just me trying to document about 30,000 lines for KDE 4 in KDE right now? [04:54] * Hobbsee grumbles at debian [04:54] nixternal: heh [04:55] * nixternal grumbles at everything :) [04:55] nixternal what sort of documenting are you referring to, in code documenting or community docs that will help users switch? [04:55] I will grumble at debian for this one reason.... their kde4 packages aren't being installed to /usr/lib/kde4 anymore, they are installing it along side KDE 3.5 [04:56] n8k99: KDE application documentation...in code is taken care of by doxygen thank goodness [04:56] Hi I'm looking to get involved with kubuntu development, and could help with doc too [04:56] ttread: are you familiar with DocBook/XML? and if not, don't worry because I can still abuse you [04:56] I mean use you :p [04:56] nixternal: so you are writing the support documents for kde4 [04:57] nixternal, no I never used it before [04:57] ttread: Welcome [04:57] n8k99: yes [04:57] * Tm_T hugs #kubuntu-devel [04:57] ok, just wanted to be certain that i knew what you were talking about [04:58] ttread: that is OK. when I get up and documenting here in the next couple months for Kubuntu then I will just take plain text..but the nice thing about the documentation wait, is that it gives you some time to go through the documentation and learn the lingo [04:58] what have you done so far? nixternal [04:58] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam [04:58] nixternal: ok vote (though this is a stupid question) should users be given the option to dump/keep KDE3 when upgrading to Kubuntu4-by-default release ? [04:58] n8k99: we have done quite a bit, which would be about 5% :) [04:58] ttread: any area you want to help with? [04:59] Daskreech: sounds good to me...however, we won't be releasing it like so, unless they plan on dist-upgrading..I think that would be a valid dist-upgrade reason though [04:59] nixternal: Yeah for someone installing (like me) we don't care [04:59] Daskreech, not sure, I guess where the need is greatest [04:59] For anyone dist-upgrading it gets hairy [05:00] and we have no Ubuntu people to bounce off either [05:00] ttread: Then nixternal or hobbsee is your ma... umm .. yeah hang around thsoe two [05:00] Daskreech: that would be a pain though [05:00] nixternal: yes it would [05:00] * Hobbsee eyerolls at -devel [05:01] I'm thinking that we should start to work on it from now while there is the research going on for LTS->LTS [05:01] Might help us out [05:01] and we are going to have the KDE4 mini roll out in the same time period [05:02] tricky [05:02] nixternal, Hobbsee, if you point me in a direction I will go chip away at something [05:02] Hobbsee: grab him :) [05:02] hmmm....where, though? :) [05:03] Oh wait [05:03] ttread: are you a him? [05:03] * n8k99 feels useless, sort of like a limp, wet noodle [05:03] Hobbsee: wth is that all about in -devel? [05:03] my lord, that is the most retarded thing I have ever seen [05:03] Daskreech, uh yeah [05:03] nixternal: hehe [05:03] ttread: Ok can't be too sure :) [05:04] my god that article makes no sense [05:05] what article? [05:06] http://bigcatlinux.com/kufailure.html [05:06] Oh this joker again [05:06] yup [05:06] He had that article on the day Gutsy shipped [05:07] *snort* [05:07] ther'es one good thing about it though [05:07] it's so unprofessional, that people won't care about it anyway [05:07] what is that? beside it being a pita to read [05:07] looks more like a blog review [05:07] As I can recall it's the only thing on the site [05:07] looks more like gibberish to me [05:07] So what's his purpose in -devel ? [05:07] well, yeah, but it's written to be a blog review [05:08] Daskreech: apparently he's getting paid to write it, or something [05:08] I mean for christ's sake, he says cosmetically Kubuntu hasn't changed since 6.06 [05:08] *snort again* [05:08] what? [05:08] yes. exactly. [05:08] I should grab a wallpaper with some bubbles and smack him with it! [05:09] I still keep wondering why he wants permission to post a badly written caustic article in the first place [05:10] =) [05:10] heh, all I am doing is being an a-hole with my remarks [05:10] but he said he's an journalist! [05:10] nixternal: hey we need your ahole over here! [05:11] you know what, it is definitely a language barrier..I didn't catch it at first [05:11] Tm_T: The advent of blogs makes every person connected to the net a journalist [05:11] as a journalist, did he run the testing on more than one platform and recieve a data pool to determine if wifi worked on different chipsets or not? [05:11] of course not [05:11] nixternal: So I have two issues now [05:11] supposedly - but he cant say waht they are, and apparently they all failed. [05:12] nixternal: How can we get a Kubuntu release notes working? [05:12] if you look at the front page of Apple Linux, or Big Cat, whatever it is called, there is a system spec there, maybe he used that machine [05:12] Daskreech: you didnt get my joke? [05:12] Daskreech: what do you mean? I have had them working since like Dapper [05:12] Tm_T: I did I'm saying that in his/her mind they probably are a valid journalist [05:12] nixternal: on Dist-upgrade ? [05:13] i'm sure i shouldnt blast him [05:14] It just occured to me this last upgrade cycle that on upgrading everyone gets an Ubuntu release notes [05:15] I am lost...I am still reading (4th time through) that article to try and understand it [05:15] Since the server can''t really know what your desktop environ is [05:15] why leave kubutnu on the server, who uses guis on servers? [05:16] Daskreech: ahh, those release notes....we ditched them for some reason, but I am bringing them back for Hardy [05:16] n8k99: I meant the repos server [05:16] we have already started the transfer process [05:16] nixternal: and the servers can pick up a ubuntu machine vs a kubuntu ? [05:16] no i meant his suggestion at the end of the article [05:17] Oh [05:17] * Daskreech is obviously getting derailed by a leopa.. I mean a big cat [05:17] * Daskreech sits this one out [05:17] i cant believe this guy. [05:18] He's persistent [05:18] I've not seen someone chase one article that's a personal based opinion in a long time [05:19] um. me? [05:20] * n8k99 suddenly really confused [05:20] n8k99: no we believe in you [05:20] oh ok [05:22] ok, better [05:22] yay! [05:22] :( [05:23] I have 3 buffalo wings left, and I am starvin'...what am I to do [05:23] FOOOOOD! [05:23] brb [05:23] nixternal: bring some food to me too thanks [05:27] * Daskreech makes a sandwich [05:28] oh right Hobbsee isn't in planetKDE [05:28] :-( [05:29] hummm [05:29] ttread: So what brings you here? [05:29] Daskreech: no, i'm not. should i be? [05:29] Daskreech: prolly my natural beauty [05:29] Oh you said you were going to blog [05:29] I just realized I don't have you blog akregated [05:29] Daskreech, I've used Kubuntu as my primary OS for the past couple of years so I thought I should give something back [05:30] ttread: Boy I wish you could see my smile [05:30] Daskreech: planet ubuntu [05:30] I did development in MS environment for many years but have not done dev in Linux yet [05:31] Hobbsee: Yeah I'll glance at it when I hit work Monday [05:31] What kind of dev? [05:31] C++ and web development [05:31] hmmm. i should make you do this rotten assignment then :) [05:32] Hobbsee, sure :) [05:32] First thing to help Kubuntu do nixternal and Hobbsee's homework so they have more time to laugh at "journalists" [05:33] =) [05:33] * Hobbsee is consulting hte textbook, in the hope of being able to figure it out [05:33] unfortunately, the textbook does not appear to tell me what i want to know! [05:33] who's making my Koffee then? [05:33] genii [05:34] Hobbsee: thanks [05:36] hi Riddell [05:40] ahh, Riddell was out partying in Cambridge tonight I see :) [05:40] Riddell: no problem [05:40] ttread: i cant figure out how to do a directed graph, vs a non-directed one :( [05:41] nixternal: ping [05:41] bah, that guy is back and laserjock made me speak [05:42] * Daskreech jumps up and down and waves hand in front of nixternal [05:42] :( [05:42] Hobbsee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_graph#Directed_graph [05:42] der, I spoke, now you speak :) [05:42] ok can the servers diffrentiate between Kubuntu/Xubuntu and Ubuntu? [05:43] Hobbsee, it's been uh, a while since I thought about directed graphs [05:43] ttread: fair enough. [05:43] Daskreech: what servers? [05:43] nixternal: http://bigcatlinux.com/mandriva.html is the mandriva one [05:43] nixternal: The ubuntu servers when someone does a dist-upgrade [05:44] Hobbsee: that is written by someone totally different [05:44] Daskreech: no [05:44] nixternal: Ok so where would the release notes kick in? [05:44] I would install as part of the kubuntu-docs package [05:45] nixternal: are you sure? [05:45] nixternal: neither of them can write for shit, though :P [05:45] Hobbsee: most definitely [05:45] slagging off a people group in the middle of a technical report is really classy. [05:45] Hobbsee: xD [05:45] Hobbsee: I think they tried to install Kubuntu on a typewriter [05:45] Hobbsee: xD [05:45] AAARGH [05:46] * Tm_T dies [05:46] nixternal: how does that help them in making a pre upgrade choice? [05:46] haha [05:46] Daskreech: they read kubuntu.org release notes :) [05:47] nixternal: Umm no [05:47] oh, you are talking the Upgrade Manager aren't you? [05:47] sorry, had to [05:47] now breakfast [05:47] they wake up one morning and wave the grandson off to school go to check the mail and see the upgrade button and click it [05:48] Daskreech: more than likely, they just created an "ubuntu" set only, which more than likely comes from the original release notes template [05:48] then after a few hours of churning and *cross fingers* No crashes they suddenly have two dolphins two konquerors and two amaroks [05:48] nixternal: Right [05:48] I am sure with some finesse we might be able to do something, but I would have to see how that system works [05:48] ahh, you are talking with KDE 4 [05:49] and it can't decipher Kubuntu vs Ubuntu so ok I'll Live with that unless we can get them to append Kubuntu notes for the KDE4 transistion [05:49] nixternal: yup [05:49] well when we push KDE 4, it will more than likely have Replace: in the debian/control file to prevent that [05:50] While Kubuntu failed to setup or sometimes even recognize the wifi adapters in all the machines tested, Mandriva recognized and provided GUI setup help for all. In the end all of the Mandriva tests were positive while all the Kubuntu tests were failures. [05:50] THAT IS ABSOLUTE HORSESHIT! [05:50] nixternal: I'm not! [05:50] haha [05:50] you'll like this log, nixternal [05:50] we have the same damn kernel for christ's sake, so if Kubuntu doesn't recognize, neither does manriva...proof positive would be my PrismII card which Mandriva wouldn't let me run Kismet with [05:51] nixternal: feel free to kick opensorce, he's essentially a troll [05:51] jesus, they didn't even test Kubuntu, that line right there gave it away [05:51] Riddell: I don't have the powah! [05:51] cant write for shit, eitehr [05:51] nixternal: Ahmm ok so they won't have a say in keeping KDE3 ? [05:51] haha [05:51] don't get me wrong, Mandriva is a nice system, but what these guys are doing is tainting their community [05:51] or this guy rather [05:52] Assuming it's a guy [05:52] nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/752255 [05:52] Daskreech: based on his writings he is [05:54] hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajfkdajdjafd [05:54] that was me choking [05:54] he said he is biased towards slackware....lovely, the wifi nightmare of an os...yet it is still one of my favorites [05:55] [16:51] ok, well thanks for telling me all that....now can we move on? [05:55] [16:51] if you have something useful to say, because you're clearly not listening to me. [05:55] [16:52] Yes, I have.....I know....when a distro fails the devs hate me, my magazine, my writing style, my mother and my boyfriend....yes I get it [05:55] [16:53] when it passes they love me and think I'm Anderson Cooper [05:55] [16:53] not really [05:55] [16:53] if i were a mandriva dev, i'd still not be happy with that report [05:55] [16:54] ok, look I'm sorry I bothered you.....I would really like to talk above and beyond your opinion of my writing.....about the what's good for the community....but I'll do it elsewhere [05:55] [16:54] good luck. and dont troll #ubuntu-devel again. [05:55] this article must be for the onion [05:56] right. gone. [05:56] Anderson Cooper? so that means he watches CNN [05:56] nixternal: ahh, is that it? [05:56] Awwwww [05:56] he'll be in here pretty soon [05:56] it has to be considering I could write better blind folded with a dvorak keyboard [05:57]