[00:00] <yo> ok
[00:00] <yo> fine
[00:00] <yo> wtf did i do
[00:00] <PriceChild> yo, you were ban evading.
[00:00] <yo> i wasnt ban evading
[00:00] <yo> i conencted to the internet
[00:00] <yo> opened xchat
[00:01] <yo> the channels popped up
[00:01] <PriceChild> Ok so why did you change nick and try to connect again?
[00:01] <PriceChild> (and succeed because of my low irc foo)
[00:01] <yo> youre what?
[00:01] <yo> your*
[00:02] <Tm_T> http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/unagi.txt
[00:02] <yo> why is everyone so damn ban happy
[00:02] <Tm_T> oooh its gone
[00:02] <yo> i didnt do anything
[00:02] <yo> i asked a simple question
[00:02] <yo> wasnt causing any problems
[00:02] <yo> wasnt planning on causing any problems
[00:02] <PriceChild> Tm_T, I have it saved 8-)
[00:02] <Tm_T> PriceChild: good
[00:02] <PriceChild> yo, you want to join #ubuntu because of support right?
[00:02] <yo> .....yea......
[00:02] <PriceChild> because you need help?
[00:03] <Tm_T> PriceChild: I can grep his doings there too
[00:03] <PriceChild> Right well you should have anticipated that before trolling #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic and your attitude to me in pm last night.
[00:03] <yo> great
[00:03] <yo> i trolled
[00:03] <yo> i gave you attitude
[00:03] <yo> its over
[00:03] <PriceChild> Or am I wrong again?
[00:03] <Tm_T> nope
[00:03] <yo> why do you have to string it out like this
[00:03] <yo> i didnt do anything
[00:03] <PriceChild> Are we all wrong again and you're right? :)
[00:03] <yo> what do you want me to say
[00:03] <yo> that you are a psychic and know what i was thinking?
[00:03] <yo> no
[00:03] <yo> im not going to say that
[00:04] <yo> im going to say you are misunderstood
[00:04] <yo> and that you dont give a crap
[00:04] <yo> im sorry you cant handle that you are wrong about me
[00:04] <yo> but i didnt do a fucking thing wrong
[00:04] <yo> and its getting really annoying
[00:04] <PriceChild> Watch the language please.
[00:04] <yo> well what do you expect
[00:04] <yo> youre driving me insane
[00:04] <yo> i did nothing wrong
[00:04] <yo> i was respectful
[00:04] <yo> asked a simple question
[00:04] <yo> and bam i get banned again
[00:04] <yo> for nothing
[00:04] <yo> what a shock
[00:04] <Tm_T> you were ban evading
[00:04] <yo> and you expect me to not be angry?
[00:05] <yo> so thats why i was banned
[00:05] <yo> for ban evading
[00:05] <yo> WRONG!
[00:05] <yo> i dont consider opening x chat ban evading
[00:05] <PriceChild> After seemingly wasting all that time on you last night, trying to talk and sort out the situation, I don't expect much more tbh.
[00:05] <PriceChild> yo, You knew exactly what you were doing by changing nicks.
[00:05] <yo> ok....lets get on the same page again
[00:05] <yo> since you cant seem to follow me
[00:06] <yo> when i changed nicks i was getting around the ban
[00:06] <yo> yes
[00:06] <yo> i admit that
[00:06] <yo> there
[00:06] <yo> i admit it
[00:06] <yo> but im not talking about that
[00:06] <yo> follow me
[00:06] <yo> ready?
[00:06] <yo> here we go
[00:06] <yo> the first ban
[00:06] <yo> thats what im talking about
[00:06] <yo> are we on the same page?
[00:06] <yo> or are you going of on a tangent again
[00:06] <yo> first ban
[00:06] <yo> the first one
[00:06] <yo> the one you did
[00:06] <yo> that ban
[00:06] <yo> yea
[00:06] <Gary> not really, as you post so much it scrolls off
[00:06] <gnomefreak> can we try full sentences please
[00:06] <PriceChild> !enter | yo
[00:06] <Ubotwo> yo: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[00:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[00:07]  * gnomefreak is spectator finally ;)
[00:07] <PriceChild> Now yo. You have been banned for several offences, and then been rebanned after evading said bans.
[00:07] <Tm_T> and gained to be in my hilight
[00:07] <PriceChild> yo, I spoke with you for an hour or so last night about the issue, but seemed we could not agree on any compromise.
[00:09] <PriceChild> yo, In our channels you do not get free speech as you wish. We do not condone behaviour or language that may make others feel uncomfortable in our channels. Whether you think there is anything wrong or not with what you said isn't the point... it could and was seen very differently to how you may or may not have wanted. That single issue though was not the cause for all this trouble. Your persistent attitude, op-
[00:09] <PriceChild> flaming and ban evading have got us where we are now.
[00:10] <PriceChild> are you trying to get around the mute?
[00:10] <PriceChild> annoyed, In our channels you do not get free speech as you wish. We do not condone behaviour or language that may make others feel uncomfortable in our channels. Whether you think there is anything wrong or not with what you said isn't the point... it could and was seen very differently to how you may or may not have wanted. That single issue though was not the cause for all this trouble. Your persistent attitude
[00:10] <PriceChild> , op-flaming and ban evading have got us where we are now.
[00:11] <PriceChild> annoyed, I would strongly suggest that when I remove this mute, you calm down, refrain from accusing or threatening us, read "/msg ubotwo guidelines", and then come back later when you have regained your exposure if you would like to discuss it.
[00:11] <PriceChild> exposure? gah composure
[00:12] <annoyed> i was compromising
[00:12] <annoyed> i told you that i felt bashed, attacked, misunderstood, and i dont deal well with confrontations
[00:12] <annoyed> i did nothing wrong today
[00:13] <PriceChild> You ban evaded.
[00:13] <PriceChild> twice
[00:13] <annoyed> once again
[00:13] <PriceChild> you've admitted so above
[00:13] <annoyed> let us forget the nick changing
[00:13] <annoyed> im talking about the first time you banned me
[00:13] <annoyed> i did nothing wrong
[00:13] <gnomefreak> he was getting annoying
[00:13] <PriceChild> how ironic
[00:13] <annoyed> what did i do now
[00:14] <annoyed> what is it you want me to say
[00:14] <annoyed> because i refuse to let anyone tell me what i was thinking that day
[00:14] <gnomefreak> 19:13 -!- annoyed [n=unagi@udp009716uds.hawaiiantel.net] has left #ubuntu-ops  [requested by PriceChild: "I'm not discussing this"]
[00:14] <PriceChild> annoyed, I've told you what you've done wrong, why we have banned you. I've given you suggestions on what you should do to help yourself and I am completely fed up with you constantly denying everything.
[00:15] <gnomefreak> annoyed: by the looks of it he wants it to stop
[00:15] <annoyed> im fed up with no one listening and banning instead
[00:15] <annoyed> wants what to stop?
[00:15] <annoyed> i did nothing wrong!
[00:15] <annoyed> i asked a question in #ubuntu
[00:15] <annoyed> i didnt know that was against the rules
[00:15] <gnomefreak> you are fighting something that you admitted to and it is over.
[00:15] <PriceChild> *points* there!!!! he did it again!!!! he denied everything!
[00:15] <annoyed> i believe im being misunderstood
[00:15] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: do we ahve a bt on the first ban?
[00:15] <annoyed> again
[00:16]  * gnomefreak finds it hard to belive it was "just a question"
[00:16] <annoyed> brb
[00:16] <gnomefreak> @btlogin\
[00:16] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[00:16] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, i think me, mnepto.k, elk.buntu, lj.l and a few others were all happy with it
[00:16] <Tm_T> yes
 how can i rename a random named set of .JPG to .jpg
[00:16] <gnomefreak> im not deniing it at all
[00:16] <PriceChild> annoyed, you were ban evading, there was nothing wrong with your question.
[00:17] <PriceChild> annoyed, please, PriceChild> annoyed, I've told you what you've done wrong, why we have banned you. I've given you suggestions on what you should do to help yourself and I am completely fed up with you constantly denying everything.
[00:17] <annoyed> so you banned me the first time today for ban evading?
[00:17] <gnomefreak> damn bots dead still
[00:17] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, your cookies should still be good
[00:17] <gnomefreak> thats if i didnt clean them
[00:17] <Tm_T> heh
[00:17] <annoyed> when you banned me the first time today was for ban evading?
[00:18] <PriceChild> "today" could mean anything +-24 hours
[00:18] <annoyed> within the past hour
[00:18] <PriceChild> yeah that was for ban evading
[00:18] <annoyed> yea
[00:18] <annoyed> i didnt ban evade
[00:18] <Tm_T> hum, how about ban just being against the rules?
[00:18] <annoyed> what?
[00:19] <PriceChild> If I remove you again you're going to come back again aren't you :/ I don't like banning people from here :(
[00:19] <Tm_T> as far I have understood, you dont agree all the rules
[00:19] <annoyed> no i do agree on the rules
[00:19] <annoyed> and i want to follow the rules
[00:19] <annoyed> the point is plain and simple that the original ban was unjust and a misunderstanding
[00:19] <annoyed> my comment was misunderstood and i was banned for trying to explain
[00:20] <Tm_T> annoyed: krhm, ban evading is always ban evading
[00:20] <PriceChild> No you weren't annoyed.
[00:20] <Seeker`> annoyed: You may not have intentionally ban evaded, but if you join the channel while you are supposed to be banned, it is still ban evasion
[00:20] <PriceChild> annoyed, you were banned for a lot more than the comment.
[00:20] <annoyed> you can try to tell me what my intentions were PriceChild but im sorry that you dont know what i was thinking
[00:20] <PriceChild> Seeker`, he intentionally evaded and has admitted to it above.
[00:20]  * Seeker` missed that
[00:20] <annoyed> my god
[00:20] <annoyed> this is really annoying
[00:21] <PriceChild> I'll find that line for you where you admitted to it...
[00:21] <Tm_T> noo :(
[00:21] <gnomefreak> good timing my g/f just said it was over about something else
[00:21] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: wha?
[00:21] <Tm_T> no0tic: no youre not
[00:21] <PriceChild> no0tic, can I help you?
[00:21] <Seeker`> no0tic: how may we help you?
[00:22] <gnomefreak> he banned annoyed at same time g/f said its over
[00:22] <stdin> no0tic: can we help you? ;)
[00:22] <gnomefreak> oh hell why doesnt everyone ask
 when i changed nicks i was getting around the ban
 yes
 i admit that
 there
 i admit it
[00:22] <Tm_T> :(
[00:22] <Tm_T> nooooo
[00:23] <PriceChild> I'm not spending another good hour on him tonight.
[00:23] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i dont blame you
[00:23] <jrib> no0tic: hi
[00:23] <PriceChild> he's trying another nick already...
[00:23] <no0tic> hi all
[00:23] <gnomefreak> lol
[00:23] <Tm_T> no0tic: see topic
[00:23] <gnomefreak> hi no0tic 
[00:23] <PriceChild> Tm_T, :)
[00:23] <jrib> no0tic is an it op
[00:23] <no0tic> ok I'll do
[00:23]  * no0tic is an -it op :)
[00:23] <PriceChild> jrib, we all know :)
[00:23] <gnomefreak> it as i n -it
[00:23]  * gnomefreak didnt know
[00:24] <Seeker`> has he not been added to the access list yet
[00:24] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, really?
[00:24] <jrib> he must have an alias for it already
[00:24] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: you do now :)
[00:24] <no0tic> we'll I subscribed to next CC agenda to become ubuntu member
[00:24] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yeah ive been really tied up in other crap to be here much
[00:24] <Tm_T> heh
[00:24] <PriceChild> We've had this joke going a few days where we still ask if we can help him, who are you etc.
[00:24] <no0tic> *well :)
[00:25] <Seeker`> no0tic: AFAIK, you dont need to be a member to have +v
[00:25] <Seeker`> do you?
[00:25] <jrib> is there a reason for not voicing him?
[00:25] <Tm_T> Seeker`: nope
[00:25] <stdin> no0tic: how's that perl script coming? :p
[00:25] <PriceChild> Seeker`, member of the ubuntu-irc team is meant to be it...
[00:25] <Tm_T> yes
[00:25] <PriceChild> I don't think that strictly holds though.
[00:25] <no0tic> stdin, I'm learning perl to do that..
[00:25] <jrib> or do we just want to keep the joke going? :)
[00:25] <Tm_T> jrib: ssssshhh
[00:25]  * gnomefreak gave up perl for the most part  "thank god"
[00:25] <Tm_T> dont blow it
[00:25] <no0tic> Seeker`, I'd like to become a mamber anyway :)
[00:25] <gnomefreak> gave up learning perl that is
[00:26] <no0tic> Seeker`, *member
[00:26] <Gary> PriceChild, you have more patience than I do
[00:26] <Seeker`> PriceChild: is there a process to join the ubuntu-irc team? I just clicked "join this team" on launchpad and someone approved me
[00:26] <Tm_T> Seeker`: thats the process =)
[00:26] <PriceChild> Seeker`, I guess its council approval....
[00:26] <Gary> no one approved me :'(
[00:26] <Seeker`> fair enough
[00:26] <PriceChild> Seeker`, the team isn't really defined etc.
[00:26] <Tm_T> PriceChild: it is now days?
[00:27] <Tm_T> oh right, we have council
[00:27]  * Tm_T keeps forgetting that
[00:27] <PriceChild> hehe
[00:27] <no0tic> Tm_T, when will it be?
[00:28] <Tm_T> what will?
[00:29] <Tm_T> council? no idea
[00:29] <Tm_T> its not in fridge calendar
[00:30] <Tm_T> shame
[00:30] <PriceChild> We haven't scheduled a next meeting.
[00:30] <PriceChild> We should do.
[00:30]  * gnomefreak thought people were in council than find out they are not :(
[00:30] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, who?
[00:30] <Seeker`> who is on the council?
[00:31] <PriceChild> sorry Seeker` didn't see earlier message
[00:31] <gnomefreak> iirc its hobbsee or elky i think hobbsee
[00:31] <PriceChild> me, elkbunt.u, nal.ioth, lj.l, seve.as
[00:31] <gnomefreak> yeah what happened to hobbsee?
[00:31] <PriceChild> This DID go through the ubuntu-irc ML and several announcements in here.
[00:31] <PriceChild> She didn't want to do it gnomefreak.
[00:31] <gnomefreak> she was voted and accepted
[00:31] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[00:32] <Gary> anyways it is my bedtime, night all
[00:32] <gnomefreak> night
[00:32] <PriceChild> see you Gary 
[00:32] <Seeker`> nn gnomefreak 
[00:32] <Seeker`> *garu
[00:32] <Seeker`> dont forget about the clocks changing
[00:32] <Gary> lol
[00:33] <Seeker`> woo for an extra hour in bed
[00:38] <gnomefreak> does it cost money to use VoIP and how is it billed to pc bill or phone bill?
[00:39] <Tm_T> ?
[00:39] <gnomefreak> like to make a call using skype
[00:39] <gnomefreak> is it free?
[00:39] <Tm_T> yes
[00:40] <Tm_T> if its voip-voip
[00:40] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: to other VOIP users, usually yes
[00:40] <Seeker`> VOIP - landline usually incurrs some cost
[00:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok than i need to find out how this UDS is gonna run if they even offer it here
[00:40] <gnomefreak> - here + this time
[00:41] <PriceChild> gah unagi's drawn me into a convo again
[00:41] <jdong> PriceChild: don't waste your time
[00:41] <Seeker`> PriceChild: /wc?
[00:42] <Tm_T> PriceChild: tell him to talk to me
[00:42] <PriceChild> What kind of person do you think he is?
[00:42] <gnomefreak> tell him to get bent
[00:42] <Tm_T> PriceChild: tell him to talk to me
[00:42] <PriceChild> haha
[00:43] <jdong> PriceChild: tell him there's this hot asian kid trying out the whole heteroflexible thing and would love to exchange dirty pics with him if he continues
[00:43] <jdong> that'll probably stop him.
[00:43] <PriceChild> shh now jdong :)
[00:44]  * gnomefreak wonders if ther eis a guide to building packages for windows on linux or windows
[00:44] <gnomefreak> brb searching ;(
[00:56] <PriceChild> Hope you all have a great day tomorrow.
[00:57] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: you too :)
[01:20] <Tm_T> btw unagi is now ubuntu_lord
[01:25] <gnomefreak> yep hes in -bugs
[01:25] <Tm_T> and in #kubuntu and in #ubuntu-fi 
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:26] <gnomefreak> he should know to use one of the image apps to rename it mv will rename it but it wont change the content
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> jrib: o rly?
[01:28] <jrib> tonyyarusso: yep
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> jrib: For Gutsy Final?  I saw there was a fix for one of the tribes, but then that it no longer worked in the beta, and that's about where I stopped reading.
[01:28] <gnomefreak> the clocks change tonight?
[01:29] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: here atleast
[01:29] <Tm_T> 0327 <ubuntu_lord> i dont want to cause any problems and never did
[01:29] <Tm_T> 0328 <ubuntu_lord> i have always loved the ubuntu community but this whole ordeal is enough for me to reformat my drive and switch to another flavor of linux
[01:29] <jrib> tonyyarusso: yeah, I read through it all because I really wanted my TTYs
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I think so?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> ill check
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Any particular comment to look at to get the real answer?
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> ie, which fix worked, out of the dozens of responses?
[01:30] <jrib> tonyyarusso: can't remember which one it was
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Aww... so you're going to make me backup my intramfs and test things anyway?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> niv. 4th here
[01:31] <Pici> For the US: In 2007, daylight saving time (DST) was extended in the United States. DST started on March 11, 2007, which was three weeks earlier than usual, and it will end on November 4, 2007, which is one week later than usual (more details on the new DST start and end times can be found here). This results in a new DST period that is four weeks longer than in previous years.
[01:31] <gnomefreak> s/niv/nov
[01:31] <jrib> tonyyarusso: well, just try what worked for me
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Oh, you remember that?  Sure - summary?
[01:31] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, well good luck to him then
[01:31] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: I always have good luck
[01:31]  * Pici goes back to lurking around
[01:31] <elkbuntu> i mean to unagi
[01:32] <jrib> tonyyarusso: ah, I didn't hilight you, but it is at the same time I said "done".  If you don't have the message, let me know and I'll check my scrollback
[01:32] <jrib> "#  blacklist vesafb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer and "vesafb\nfbcon" (\n is an actual newline) in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and lastly, sudo update-initramfs -u
[01:32] <jrib> tonyyarusso: ^
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Ah - I have the timestamp too :)
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> jrib: you mean remove the # in the blacklist or add it?
[01:33] <jrib> tonyyarusso: add it
[01:34] <jrib> tonyyarusso: "blacklist vesafb" --> "#  blacklist vesafb"
[01:35]  * tonyyarusso looks
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Ah, I get it now.
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Would I want to enable radeonfb or just use vesafb?
[01:38] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: he's coming monday asking nicely if he can join #ubuntu
[01:39] <Tm_T> or so he promised
[01:41] <gnomefreak> inso: something we can help you with tonight?
[01:41] <Tm_T> his realname :(
[01:42] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i know but didnt know if he was forwarded here
[01:42] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: me neither
[01:43] <Tm_T> 0341 <ubuntu_lord> ok have a great day
[01:43] <Tm_T> hah, I taimed him!
[01:43] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, not necessarily...
[01:43] <gnomefreak> inso: can we help you?
[01:43] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: oh I did, for this moment atleast =)
[01:43] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: cant talk about future :(
[01:43] <elkbuntu> heh
[01:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: realname & ident
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Pici: that was very easy but i asked HIM
[01:45] <Pici> k ;)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> was he +f'ed here?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> or just joined
[01:47]  * gnomefreak goes to bed night all
[01:47] <elkbuntu> dunno. *nigger*@* is d banned from #ubuntu, and it's the same guy the ban was applied to. chanserv autobanned him, i upgraded it to a +d
[01:48] <elkbuntu> niggerin is truncated version of niggerinabox, btw
[01:48] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: than i leave it to you since your up and im heading to bed ;)
[01:48] <jdong> ;-)\
[01:49] <Tm_T> no0tic: see topic
[01:49] <no0tic> :D mozilla-mplayer keeps crashing X
[01:49] <jdong> lol until no0tic gets his +v we'll continue messing with him
[01:50] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, no0tic is an -it op
[01:50] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: I know
[01:50] <no0tic> elkbuntu, I think everybody knows :)
[01:51] <Tm_T> our way to expression of caring
[01:51] <Tm_T> no0tic <3
[01:51] <no0tic> I'm a bit scared
[01:51] <Tm_T> well that one poor sentence
[01:52] <Tm_T> s
[01:53] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: heheh
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> We should have ubotu set up to do heralds in here, so when no0tic joins ubotu can say "no0tic is an op on #ubuntu-it"
[01:54] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: and miss all fun?
[01:54] <no0tic> tonyyarusso, lol :) it could do so with every -XX op around :)
[01:54] <Tm_T> check access lists and inform after it
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: of course; didn't you get the memo?  There's no fun here.
[01:55] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: sorry, I slept over morning briefing
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> meh, checking access lists would be more complicated than manually configuring per nick, which is how the forum plugin works.
[01:55] <no0tic> jdong, just to be precise.. I don't want +v here.. You want me to have one! :)
[01:55] <Tm_T> :(
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> s/forum/herald/....not sure where that came from
[01:55] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: both works
[02:25] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:27] <no0tic> split!
[02:41] <jdong> umm... is it normal for a netsplit to last this long?
[02:44] <jdong> well this sucks... nickserv is not on this end of the split....
[02:44] <Tm_T> nice
[02:44] <jdong> I feel like one of those nuclear holocaust survivors
[02:44] <jdong> the world is empty
[02:44] <jdong> lol
[02:45] <Tm_T> :(
[02:45] <jdong> aah http://freenode.org/ is down!
[02:45] <jdong> the world is ending!
[02:47] <Tm_T> hrrrr
[02:47] <Tm_T> I cant get op rights
[02:47] <jdong> Tm_T: I'm pretty sure chanserv is knocked out too
[02:47] <jdong> on our side of the split
[02:47] <Tm_T> yes
[02:48] <no0tic> yes
[02:48] <Tm_T> thats exactly my problem
[02:48] <jdong> has freenode been really split-happy recently?
[02:48] <Tm_T> nope
[02:48] <no0tic> no
[02:48] <Tm_T> just this one
[02:49] <jdong> my logs show we've netsplit like 4 times the past 2 days
[02:49] <jdong> of course most of the times only 1 or 2 people left
[02:50] <jdong> looks like it's not over; irssi just recorded another split...
[02:50] <LadiesMan217> yeah, this is odd
[02:50] <jdong> LadiesMan217: nice nick?
[02:50] <jdong> pfft and he leaves on me
[02:51] <jdong> 22:50 < KingPython> but from support channel ,they said me you must to ask this  question to developer chanel
[02:51] <jdong> heh. and of course, not in my logs
[02:51] <jdong> I doubt the netsplit is to blame
[02:53] <jdong> whoo
[02:55] <Tm_T> chanserv up
[02:56] <jdong> whoo
[02:56] <jdong> shields up, weapons online.
[02:56] <no0tic> eheh
[02:57] <Tm_T> no its not
[02:57] <jdong> it's working for me...
[03:05] <Tm_T> ok its up
[03:06] <Tm_T> still didnt get hat on #kubuntu 
[03:07] <Tm_T> finally!
[03:09]  * Tm_T is waiting for some information about this happening
[03:09]  * jdong too
[03:09] <nalioth> Tm_T: i've told you before, "don't unplug your computer"
[03:10] <Vorian> lol
[03:10] <jdong> nalioth probably tried another torrent with KTorrent ;-)
[03:11] <Tm_T> !ping
[03:11] <Ubotwo> pong
[03:14] <Tm_T> !test
[03:14] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[03:14] <nalioth> why are there two bots here?
[03:15] <nalioth> er, never mind
[03:15] <nalioth> Tm_T is tricking me again
[03:15] <Tm_T> I am not
[03:27] <Ubotwo> J-_ called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:29] <J-_> How did I abuse the system?
[03:29] <Tm_T> I didnt notice any real reason to call ops
[03:31] <J-_> well, whatever - I thought the channel was suppose to be family-friendly?
[03:31] <Tm_T> yes, true
[03:31] <J-_> I don't think that was family friendly
[03:31] <Tm_T> I dont even know what that did mean
[03:32] <J-_> The logs will say what was discussed.
[03:33] <J-_> Or are there not any logs?
[03:35] <jdong> Tm_T: some of the innuendos were a bit over the top
[03:38] <Tm_T> jdong: I see
[03:38] <jdong> maybe not enough to call ops...
[03:38] <jdong> but still more vulgar than even I'd want to see
[03:39] <nalioth> overlords and kittens
[03:40]  * jdong goes back to his backup ritual
[03:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefre1k: ?
[03:41]  * Hobbsee is not on the council.
[03:41] <Tm_T> :)
[03:43] <popey> moo
[03:43] <Tm_T> poo
[03:43] <popey> foo
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hiya popey!
[03:43] <Hobbsee> what are you doing up?
[03:43] <popey> yo!
[03:43] <popey> just got back from a bar
[03:44] <popey> been out drinking with jono and his bitches
[03:44] <Tm_T> :(
[03:44] <popey> feel the irony
[03:44] <no0tic> goodnight
[03:46] <Tm_T> :((
[04:01]  * elkbuntu whimpers that she's missing the uds fun :(
[04:02] <Hobbsee> yeah :(
[04:02] <Hobbsee> it sucks
[04:02]  * Tm_T always miss uds fun
[04:05]  * elkbuntu cries on Hobbsee's shoulder
[04:05]  * elkbuntu returns to cleaning the flat
[04:05] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: have fun, I'm doing that third day in a row now or so
[04:06]  * Hobbsee cuddles elkbuntu
[04:09] <mneptok> UDS what-now? :/
[04:10] <Hobbsee> mneptok: please kill kmos, btw
[04:11] <mneptok> whowha?
[04:11]  * mneptok /lastlogs
[04:12] <Hobbsee> mneptok: #ubuntu-devel
[04:12] <Hobbsee> read the entire thing
[04:13] <mneptok> well, i want to do some other stuff this weekend
[04:14] <Hobbsee> just the part from the first kmos reference to the last
[04:32] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, he still hasnt a clue in the world?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: no, it gets far better than that.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: he doesnt believe he should have to learn to do things right, as he's only a user trying to help, and he's nto trying to become a MOTU.
[05:04] <Madpilot> someone trying packaging and failing?
[05:04] <Tm_T> :(
[05:09] <mneptok> http://www.calculatorcat.com/moon_phases/moon_phases.phtml
[05:09] <mneptok> coulda guessed.
[05:10] <Madpilot> mneptok, there's a Gnome panel app that has moon info
[05:11] <Madpilot> I run it because it shows UTC
[05:23] <Tm_T> yoman_43: how cool you are?
[05:41] <nalioth> ya know, it's nice having an OS that has uptime measured in months/years.  Does anyone know a graphical browser that can go months/years w/o flaking?
[05:41] <Tm_T> hmm, Konqueror without flash/java =
[05:41] <Tm_T> ?
[05:41] <jdong> nalioth: konqueror
[05:44] <nalioth> jdong: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz
[05:44] <nalioth> it fails.
[05:44] <jdong> seriously?
[05:44] <jdong> it's the most long-term stable browser for me....
[05:45] <jdong> firefox needs to be kicked every day or two
[05:46]  * nalioth hasn't used firefox in years
[05:46] <nalioth> galeon only goes a couple of weeks
[05:46] <jdong> galeon's still actively developed?
[05:46] <Tm_T> I dont have same build of Konqueror longer than some days =)
[05:47] <nalioth> jdong: um, yes.
[05:48] <jdong> nalioth: didn't know that... the last time I heard from them was like a year ago, and they were intending on writing extensions to epiphany and fuse together
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Whatever rss feed ubotu/two/3 uses for package info is down
[05:56] <Jordan_U> ubot3 info ubuntu-desktop
[05:56] <ubot3> ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.79 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Or not :)
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Strange, it seems it just doesn't work in a private message
[06:16] <ubot3> In #ubuntu, rom10 said: UBot3 What is the reason for getting Error 104 when I run startx
[06:28] <Madpilot> the bots are being strange
[06:29] <Madpilot> neither ubot3 nor Ubotwo are processing "info" or "find" commands properly
[06:29] <Madpilot> ubot3, info gedit
[06:29] <ubot3> gedit: official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 824 kB, installed size 2896 kB
[06:29] <Madpilot> Jordan_U, same bug as you just ran into - didn't notice your comment
[06:29] <Madpilot> Ubotwo, find gedit
[06:29] <Ubotwo> Madpilot: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
[06:29] <Madpilot> there we go ^^^
[06:30] <Madpilot> not just in PM, then
[06:30] <Madpilot> ubot3, find gedit
[06:30] <ubot3> Found: gedit-plugins, moaggedit, gedit, gedit-common, gedit-dev
[06:31] <Jordan_U> Madpilot, ubot3 works in channels but not PM, ubotwo works in PM ( with error ) and not in channels :)
[06:32] <Madpilot> well, between the pair of them they've got everything covered, at least  :|
[06:32] <Madpilot> fun
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Is Seveas not contactable at the moment?
[06:34] <Madpilot> @now amsterdam
[06:34] <Madpilot> meh, that's busted too. 
[06:35] <Madpilot> it's early Sunday morning his timezone
[06:35] <Tm_T> Madpilot: hug me
[06:35] <Fujitsu> It has been gone for a while now, though.
[06:35] <Madpilot> hmm?
[06:35] <Tm_T> 0635
[07:12] <jdong> ok, I'm tired, bed.
[07:13] <Tm_T> jdong: nighty night
[07:15] <jdong> someone deal with computer123 in -offtopic
[07:15] <jdong> joined, spammed a youtube link, bugs everyone to go see it
[07:16] <jdong> *sigh* for the sake of my health I'm looking away from that channel
[07:16] <jdong> it somehow reminds me of an AOL chat room
[07:16] <Tm_T> jdong: GO 
[07:16] <Tm_T> you need sleep anyway
[07:16] <jdong> :) nighty night
[07:17] <Tm_T> :))
[07:26] <Tm_T> well that was polite
[07:27] <Tm_T> pretty please + request
[08:28] <Moniker42> how would i undo a lart (from seveas' chanserv script) without using the chanserv script?
[08:29] <Tm_T> lart?
[08:29] <Moniker42> iirc the /cs L nick command combines several bans...
[08:29] <Tm_T> I see
[08:30] <Moniker42> and the /cs u nick command combines a few unbans too :P
[08:32] <ompaul> reapply one at a time to the ip or name or whatever
[08:32] <ompaul> or /cs u a full part of the ban not the nick
[11:35] <Hobbsee> ooo!
[11:35] <Hobbsee> anyone else seen today's deb-a-dday yet?
[11:38] <elkbuntu> no?
[11:38] <ompaul> uptime | cowthink -d
[11:38] <ompaul> hehehehe
[11:39] <Hobbsee>  __________________________________
[11:39] <Hobbsee> < Now who can i set on fire today? >
[11:39] <Hobbsee>  ----------------------------------
[11:39] <Hobbsee>       \                    / \  //\
[11:39] <Hobbsee>        \    |\___/|      /   \//  \\
[11:39] <Hobbsee>             /0  0  \__  /    //  | \ \    
[11:39] <Hobbsee>            /     /  \/_/    //   |  \  \  
[11:39] <Hobbsee>            @_^_@'/   \/_   //    |   \   \ 
[11:39] <Hobbsee>            //_^_/     \/_ //     |    \    \
[11:39] <ompaul> :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee>         ( //) |        \///      |     \     \
[11:39] <Hobbsee>       ( / /) _|_ /   )  //       |      \     _\
[11:39] <Hobbsee>     ( // /) '/,_ _ _/  ( ; -.    |    _ _\.-~        .-~~~^-.
[11:39] <Hobbsee>   (( / / )) ,-{        _      `-.|.-~-.           .~         `.
[11:39] <Hobbsee>  (( // / ))  '/\      /                 ~-. _ .-~      .-~^-.  \
[11:39] <Hobbsee>  (( /// ))      `.   {            }                   /      \  \
[11:39] <Hobbsee>   (( / ))     .----~-.\        \-'                 .~         \  `. \^-.
[11:39] <Hobbsee>              ///.----..>        \             _ -~             `.  ^-`  ^-_
[11:39] <Hobbsee>                ///-._ _ _ _ _ _ _}^ - - - - ~                     ~-- ,.-~
[11:39] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:39] <Hobbsee>                                                                   /.-~
[12:04] <jrib> ugh every day I meet new people in #ubuntu who make me want to help in #ubuntu less and less
[12:04] <Tm_T> :(
[12:05] <ompaul> jrib, then take a break and don't burn out 
[12:05] <ompaul> :)
[12:08] <jussi01> grrr
[12:08] <jussi01> I have my client set to auto identify, but still, I join channels with: [14:07] --> You have joined the channel #ubuntu-ops (n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-129.psoas.suomi.net).
[12:08] <jussi01> anyone know hw to make my cloak come, not the ip etc?
[12:09] <PriceChild> jussi01, are you using xchat?
[12:09] <PriceChild> I don't use xchat's functions for auto identify, channel joins etc.
[12:09] <jussi01> PriceChild: no. Konversation
[12:09] <PriceChild> meh i'm sure the same still applies
[12:10] <PriceChild> I tell xchat when it connects to freenode, to run .xchat/autojoin, which then identifys me, messages chanserv to invite me to +i channels, then joins me to everything.
[12:10] <PriceChild> In that order.
[12:10] <jussi01> oh..
[12:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: /msg nickserv identify foobar in the server window
[12:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah. Im identified. butwhen I start knoversation, it joins channels before it identifies me...
[12:13] <Hobbsee> i know.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry, stick in the freenode p/w in the p/w window on the server thing
[12:14] <PriceChild> jrib, how long have you been an operator here? What channels are you in?
[12:15] <PriceChild> hmmm #ubuntu at least
[12:15] <PriceChild> ping LjL nalioth you guys happy with me accepting jrib's launchpad application... seen as he's been an op forever? :)
[12:16] <jrib> PriceChild: around march/april
[12:16] <PriceChild> oh and elkbuntu ^
[12:16] <PriceChild> *didn't scroll up enough on user list*
[12:18] <Amaranth> jussi01: put in your nickserv password for the server password
[12:19] <Amaranth> jussi01: you'll connect identified
[12:19] <Amaranth> oh, Hobbsee already said that
[12:23]  * jussi01 hugs Hobbsee and Amaranth
[12:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, mind backing me up in -offtopic?
[12:32] <elkbuntu> or Amaranth, or anyone around who can
[12:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not in there
[12:33] <elkbuntu> just removed malv
[12:33] <PriceChild> looks
[12:34] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, eugenics, nazi schemes and brave new world on crack kinda discussion
[12:34] <PriceChild> meh, you warned them
[12:35] <elkbuntu> yeah, several times
[12:38] <Jucato> hm... ubotu's on leave?
[12:38] <elkbuntu> Jucato, seveas is MIA
[12:39] <Jucato> oh.... :(
[12:39]  * Jucato hopes he's ok
[12:39] <PriceChild> Does anyone know if he's going to UDS?
[12:40] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, dunno. if he was i would assume he'd be there and have connected by now
[12:40] <ompaul> he not going from the attendance sheet
[12:40] <PriceChild> I'm sure he'll be back soon :)
[12:43] <elkbuntu> oooh... thunder and rain getting loud
[12:46] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, you ok with adding jrib to ubuntu-irc on launchpad?
[12:46] <ompaul> I am 
[12:46] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, he's not there already?
[12:46] <ompaul> but who am I :)
[12:46] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, I was surprised too :)
[12:53] <PriceChild> ompaul, you know how it is, I'd rather a majority agreement of the council before doing something the "council" does. :)
[12:54] <jussi01> someone call Dennis :P !
[12:54] <elkbuntu> jussi01, we need to find out wtf is up with him anyway
[12:54] <PriceChild> meh stop worrying people
[12:55] <PriceChild> *is not going to grep logs for his phone number*
[12:55] <jussi01> elkbuntu: he has posted his phone no online...
[12:55] <jussi01> +31 252 353 46
[12:55] <PriceChild> jussi01, seriously... he's been gone a couple of days... big deal :)
[12:55] <PriceChild> Not a reason to be posting his number in a publically logged channel.
[12:55] <jussi01> PriceChild: we are publicly logged in here?
[12:56]  * jussi01 blushes
[12:56] <jussi01> crap... didnt see the log  bot..
[12:58]  * jussi01 sighs... me and my big mouth...
[12:59] <ompaul> PriceChild, I sent you a pm
[13:00] <ompaul> jussi01, yes it happened around jan after someone and me had a disagreement, it is said that if you travel into space far enough you can still hear the door slam 
[13:03] <elkbuntu> gaaah, awalton is a regular lunatic
[13:05] <ompaul> na he biggin it up
[13:05] <elkbuntu> eh?
[13:05] <elkbuntu> translate please, homie?
[13:06] <PriceChild> innit
[13:06] <Dave2> innit.d
[13:07] <ompaul> PriceChild, :)
[13:07] <ompaul> playing to the crowd methinks
[13:11] <elkbuntu> "(unless related to software licencing)" is basically what we're discussing, ompaul 
[13:12] <ompaul> ahh 
[13:12] <ompaul> so i suppose then he is wrong
[13:12] <ompaul> it is anarchy 
[13:12] <elkbuntu> yeah, i know it's anarchy, but it's technically not o4o
[13:13] <elkbuntu> what amuses me is that most people confuse plagiarism with copyright infringement. the former is far more destructive than breaking a law
[13:16] <elkbuntu> how the heck does mjr survive in the real world?
[13:17] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you may need to intervene, since i think if i try, i will only implode the world
[13:24] <PriceChild> *waves*
[13:25] <PriceChild> How can I help mjr?
[13:27] <mjr> Actually I came to hang and see what kind of people and policies there are around the channels, for comparison studies. (I am the owner of -fi, incidentally.)
[13:27] <PriceChild> ompaul, in a skirt....... hmm
[13:27] <PriceChild> !guidelines | mjr 
[13:27] <Ubotwo> mjr: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:28] <PriceChild> mjr, those are the guidelines that we ask users to follow.
[13:28] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines are the operator guidelines surprisingly enough
[13:29] <mjr> indeed, though the interpretation often seems funny at best, arbitrary at worst (though also, the strictness of the rules would make their consistent application counterproductive)
[13:31] <PriceChild> mjr, the guidelines were purposefully written as guidelines, and so several parts are open to interpretation such as the definition of trolling.
[13:31] <PriceChild> mjr, We make decisions on a case by case basis.
[13:32] <mjr> indeed
[13:32] <PriceChild> If anyone believes that an something has happenned which shouldn't have, then they are more than welcome to /join here and discuss the situation in a calm manner.
[13:33] <elkbuntu> emphasis on 'calm'
[13:34] <PriceChild> For the recent activities in -offtopic, several users were given several warnings.
[13:36] <PriceChild> Right I'm popping off for a bit elkbuntu you staying and watching -offtopic?
[13:40] <elkbuntu> oh crap. the bantracker is teh dead
[13:41] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, see backup
[13:41] <elkbuntu> eh?
[13:41] <elkbuntu> there's a backup of it?
[13:55] <jussi01> cripes... -offtopic is looking fun atm...
[13:56] <jussi01> elkbuntu: I dont know how you deal with that...
[13:56] <elkbuntu> jussi01, waiting for them to slip up
[13:56] <jussi01> elkbuntu: hehe.... 
[14:22]  * jussi01 sighs... some people....
[14:23] <iobelisk> hi, for some reason i was banned from the #ubuntu channel, may i ask why?
[14:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: what did he ask?
[14:23] <LjL> iobelisk, !ops is not to be used to call the ops' attention on your question. ops are not necessarily even experts on any subject (although we'd like to think they are), they're just ops. !ops is for emergencies.
[14:23] <iobelisk> okay, so i did not know that. why not say that instead of banning me?
[14:23] <iobelisk> banning me from the ubuntu channel keeps me away from a lot of useful information, that's pretty harsh man
[14:23] <elkbuntu> iobelisk, because a warning only incites every silly person to copy, unfortunately
[14:24] <Tm_T> oh, I see
[14:24] <jussi01> Tm_T: you missed the fun... -offtopic
[14:24] <LjL> iobelisk: because knowing that a factoid called "!ops" exists, and abusing it, generally means you're doing it on purpose.
[14:24] <iobelisk> well, i only came to know of !ops yesterday when i had a question nobody could answer and somebody else called on it on my behalf, and my question was answered. so i figured i'd do the same today because i'd been asking my question around for some time and nobdy was able to help me
[14:25] <LjL> iobelisk: i don't think someone called on it on your behalf... i guess someone called it because there was a channel emergency, totally unrelated to your question...
[14:25] <iobelisk> no, the person called it as "!ops | iobelisk"
[14:26] <LjL> iobelisk: then i guess either *you* were misbehaving, or the person was an idiot
[14:26] <iobelisk> and then an op called on me, i asked my question and it actually got answered.
[14:26] <iobelisk> oh
[14:26] <Tm_T> iobelisk: 
[14:26] <Tm_T> 1626 -!- Topic for #ubuntu: Official Ubuntu Support Channel | Please be patient and read the FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage |
[14:26] <Tm_T> iobelisk: did you look channel topic?
[14:27] <iobelisk> tm_t, i realise i need to be patient, but i've been in there the past two hours almost, answering other peoples questions and hoping somebody would answer mine too. i have looked pretty extensively on the forum and google and have been unable to resolve it over there which is why i came here
[14:27] <iobelisk> now, is there a way for me to get back on the ubuntu channel or are you guys going to keep me off of there?
[14:27] <Tm_T> iobelisk: yes, read those links there ;)
[14:27] <Hobbsee> and the ops are not the ones who are to be called to answer your wishes.
[14:27] <LjL> iobelisk: i'll let you in, hold on a second though
[14:27] <Hobbsee> we dont even know everything.
[14:28] <iobelisk> well, banning somebody from the ubuntu channel is acutally a big deal, maybe you should atleast talk to the person before doing so
[14:29]  * Hobbsee suspects you just got forwarded here?
[14:29] <LjL> iobelisk: it's a big deal? it's an IRC command that can be undone in a second if wanted.
[14:29] <iobelisk> well, not undone by me. by you. no?
[14:29] <LjL> iobelisk: anyway, would you happen to have a log of when somebody called !ops | iobelisk? i'd like to see what happened then
[14:30] <LjL> iobelisk: yes, by me. but nobody's saying i won't undo it, i'd just like to make sure that you understand why you shouldn't call !ops like that, and what the channel guidelines are, and that you weren't doing it on purpose
[14:30] <Hobbsee> iobelisk: it would be futile to have this discussion in a busy channel like #ubuntu, no?
[14:31] <iobelisk> ljl, im not sure, it happened yesterday or the day before, that is when i even knew of !ops, and the guy who called it really was not an idiot either, he did try to answer my question, but coud'nt,
[14:31] <iobelisk> hobbsee, there is something called private message, yes?
[14:31] <LjL> iobelisk: where you called 'iobelisk' yesterday (or when it happened) too? because i cannot find it in my own logs
[14:31] <LjL> iobelisk: indeed, nobody stopped you from PM'ing me
[14:31] <iobelisk> yes, either iobelisk, or iobelix
[14:31] <LjL> ah i'll try iobelix
[14:32] <LjL> hm still no luck :|
[14:32] <iobelisk> does konversation keep a log on my computer somewhere, i'll try to look for it if that is the only way i can get back on the channel
[14:32] <LjL> iobelisk: i'm not sure if it does by default, but if it does, it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/
[14:33] <iobelisk> ljl, yeah, there are no logs over there.
[14:34] <Hobbsee> it does
[14:34] <Hobbsee> and ti's nto there anymnore
[14:34] <LjL> Hobbsee: ?
[14:34] <Hobbsee> appears to be at ~/.logs
[14:34] <LjL> uh i still have them in the old place
[14:35] <iobelisk> ok, so am i still banned or what?
[14:35] <LjL> though i suppose that can be because i upgraded from feisty and/or am using SVN
[14:35] <Tm_T> LjL: youre old
[14:35] <LjL> iobelisk: no, you're not
[14:35] <iobelisk> so i can go back in there?
[14:35] <iobelisk> i'm in there, thanks
[14:35] <iobelisk> bye
[14:35] <LjL> iobelisk: however, i'd like to make sure that you read the channel guidelines carefully, because if something unconvincing happens again, well
[14:35] <LjL> !etiquette > iobelisk    (iobelisk, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:36] <LjL> !guidelines > iobelisk    (iobelisk, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:36] <LjL> !coc > iobelisk    (iobelisk, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:36] <LjL> iobelisk: please make sure you check those out
[14:36] <iobelisk> okay i will
[14:36] <iobelisk> one question
[14:36] <iobelisk> if a channel topic is set, all conversation should be directed within that topic?
[14:37] <Tm_T> depends on the channel and topic
[14:37] <LjL> iobelisk: hm? you mean like, if the channel topic says "Official Ubuntu support channel", you should only ask/reply to Ubuntu support questions - then yes
[14:37] <elkbuntu> generally yes. #ubuntu is for support talk only, #ubuntu-offtopic is for well-behaved and family-friendly non-support talk
[14:37] <iobelisk> thanks
[14:38] <Tm_T> PriceChild: you around?
[14:38] <LjL> i think he's lying
[14:39] <Tm_T> LjL: I too
[14:39] <Tm_T> LjL: couldnt find it
[14:39] <LjL> neither my logs, nor fabbione's, have !ops | iobelanything in the past three days
[14:41] <elkbuntu> LjL, scanning my logs now
[14:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: could try something like grep -A 20 -B 20 "\!ops" | grep obeli
[14:42] <LjL> (which, on my machine, doesn't give anything relevant)
[14:43] <elkbuntu> i found the section that could have confused him
[14:44] <elkbuntu> or at least a section
[14:44] <LjL> anyway i still don't know who reverted the changes i had made to !ops (adding something like "USE ONLY IN EMERGENCIES"). whoever did might have had the best of reasons, but i think it'd be better to have something like that in it...
[14:44] <Tm_T> LjL: in hwere?
[14:45] <LjL> Tm_T: in the !ops factoid. last time something like this (i.e. someone claiming they "thought it was just to see who the ops were", or variations of that) happened, i edited the factoid to make it clear that it should only ever be used in emergencies
[14:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: can we get a bot in #ubuntu-desktop please
[14:45] <LjL> Hobbsee: please /msg ubotwo register hobbsee password
[14:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: done
[14:46] <LjL> Hobbsee: you should be able to ask it to join
[14:46] <Hobbsee> LjL: thanks!
[14:46] <Hobbsee> Ubotwo: version
[14:46] <Ubotwo> Hobbsee: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
[14:46] <LjL> wasn't it muted in this channel?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> wow, old one :)
[14:46] <Hobbsee> apparently not.  oh well
[14:47] <LjL> !test
[14:47] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[14:47] <LjL> well i guess it won't hurt to let it speak until ubotu comes back
[14:47] <Hobbsee> whenver that is
[14:47] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's weird. there was a server split - actually, i think a server death - where few people went down, including both ubotu and ubotwo
[14:48] <LjL> ubotwo wouldn't rejoin either, it tried to connect to irc.freenode.org but got stuck on trying
[14:48] <Ubotwo> LjL: Error: "wouldn't" is not a valid command.
[14:48] <Hobbsee> ouch
[14:48] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:48] <LjL> one would figure there is a timeout, but..
[14:48] <LjL> i joined ubotwo manually to a server that i knew worked, otherwise it'd still be trying to connect to irc.freenode.net i suspect
[14:49] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, btw, have they decided on the titles for the alphas yet?
[14:49] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i think just calling them "alpha foo" etc
[14:49] <elkbuntu> o.O
[14:49] <elkbuntu> they could call them siege or sedge or hedge, why 'alpha'? :(
[14:50] <elkbuntu> a siege of herons sounds pretty damn cool to me
[14:50] <Hobbsee> because people didnt seem to think they had bugs, or something.
[14:50] <elkbuntu> oh
[14:50] <elkbuntu> :(
[14:51] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you pinged me?
[14:51] <LjL> fyi, !info <package> doesn't work (while !find seems to), and to trigger a bug, you need "launchpad bug #number", not just "bug #number"
[14:51] <elkbuntu> LjL, check your and fabbiones logs for around 09:50:00 utc
[14:52] <elkbuntu> (yesterday)
[14:52] <gnomefreak> LjL: like launchpad bug #11111?
[14:52] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 11111 in kernel-package "Grubs menu.lst gets overwritten every time a kernel update is done" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11111
[14:52] <elkbuntu> launchpad bug 100000
[14:52] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[14:52] <elkbuntu> hehhee
[14:52] <gnomefreak> i guess so (should it do it while talking to someone else?
[14:52] <elkbuntu> mpt is too funny
[14:53] <LjL> :)
[14:53] <elkbuntu> LjL, did you find the log section?
[14:53] <LjL> gnomefreak: yeah, at least, ubotu does that too
[14:53] <LjL> elkbuntu: nope, timestamp please?
[14:53] <gnomefreak> it does?
 LjL, check your and fabbiones logs for around 09:50:00 utc
[14:54] <Hobbsee> haha
[14:54] <LjL> gnomefreak: think so - though only in certain channels, not in #ubuntu
[14:54] <gnomefreak> LjL: right
[14:54] <LjL> elkbuntu: oh sorry, missed it
[14:54] <elkbuntu> no prob
[14:56] <LjL> elkbuntu: 9:50 today? (fabbione's *are* UTC right?)
[14:56] <elkbuntu> LjL, yesterday, sorry
[14:56] <gnomefreak> LjL: yes
[14:58] <LjL> elkbuntu: ehm, i still can find neither !ops nor iobelisk around that time...
[15:01] <elkbuntu> LjL, pm me your email address
[15:02] <elkbuntu> i cant find it in fabbione either, but it's in my logs
[15:03] <LjL> weird
[15:03] <LjL> maybe a netsplit?
[15:03] <elkbuntu> my thought too
[15:03] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: pastebin please :)
[15:03] <LjL> fabbione was definitely logging an active channel at 9:50
[15:04] <LjL> my stupid irc proxy doesn't timestamp *dates*, only h/m... bah
[15:05] <jdong> LjL: does it at least stamp date changes?
[15:07] <elkbuntu> ljl sent
[15:07] <LjL> jdong: obviously not :) anyway i know my irc proxy sucks in many other ways, i should just get around to setting up something better
[15:09] <elkbuntu> LjL, you get it?
[15:10] <ompaul> no0tic, how can we help you
[15:10]  * ompaul runs
[15:10] <ompaul> :)
[15:10]  * no0tic is an -it op
[15:10] <ompaul> a bit slow today :)
[15:10] <no0tic> :)
[15:10] <jdong> haha
[15:10] <LjL> elkbuntu: yep, and i have it in my logs actually, but for 12:50 (which would be 10:50 UTC) rather than 11:50... and it's nowhere to be found in fabbione's
[15:11] <elkbuntu> LjL, fsking daylight savings
[15:11] <LjL> elkbuntu: yeah but daylight saving would bring me one hour *closer* to UTC... oh well
[15:11]  * ompaul <3 daylight savings I get to say cool stuff like, spring forward, fall back :)
[15:11] <elkbuntu> LjL, but it confused me at this end
[15:12] <elkbuntu> LjL, but for a confused newbie, i can see how he could have misinterpreted that string of happenings
[15:12] <LjL> elkbuntu: yeah, although it doesn't take rocket science to see that someone was spamming and !ops was called because of that... anyway, one more reason IMHO to put a clear warning into the factoid
[15:12] <no0tic> thanks! :)
[15:13] <ompaul> no0tic, we have to stop the confustion 
[15:13] <Tm_T> no0tic: who are you?
[15:13] <ompaul> Tm_T, someone with a voice
[15:13]  * ompaul rofl
[15:13] <no0tic> Tm_T, I'm +v here :P
[15:13] <elkbuntu> LjL, yeah. lets do a council vote, email to the list? i'm going to bed
[15:13] <LjL> ompaul: hi, how may we help you?
[15:13] <elkbuntu> lawl
[15:13] <ompaul> not in mayny ways
[15:14] <Tm_T> :(
[15:14]  * ompaul goes to war on LjL 
[15:14] <jdong> isn't it too early in the morning for opwars?
[15:14] <LjL> jdong: depends, it's 16:14 here... but then again, i woke up less than 2 hours ago, so i guess yes.
[15:14] <ompaul> jdong, it is pm here 
[15:14]  * jdong shields his rear and goes back to Starcraft and other asian stereotypes
[15:15] <elkbuntu> heh, gnite
[15:15] <ompaul> jdong, tell what is the irc channel for uds?
[15:15] <no0tic> jdong, I woke up now and I'm in LjL's time zone 
[15:15] <LjL> ouch, you beat me
[15:15] <no0tic> jdong, so yes a bit to early
[15:15] <jdong> ompaul: *shrug*
[15:16] <elkbuntu> keep an eye on mao42, and if jimmydee returns, watch him like a hawk, same with gnine
[15:16] <Hobbsee> ompaul: #fosscamp at the moment, will be #uds-boston
[15:17] <LjL> elkbuntu: anyway to me it doesn't sound like something that big to have a vote on the ML for it... i thought i could just go ahead and add the warning to the factoid. i'm just not sure why it was reverted
[15:17] <Tm_T> LjL: I agree
[15:17] <elkbuntu> LjL, the reversion is why im suggesting we do a ML vote, so then everyone knows to leave it alone
[15:17]  * Hobbsee would suggest just putting it back, and locking it.
[15:18] <elkbuntu> fine then
[15:18] <elkbuntu> anyway, off to bed
[15:18] <LjL> elkbuntu: ok, i'll send a note
[15:18] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: nighty night
[15:18] <LjL> Hobbsee: not sure factoids can be locked, or at least not sure how
[15:23] <ompaul> which one?
[15:23] <ompaul> seveas could lock one but then the other bots would need to be told about that change
[15:24] <LjL> ompaul: !ops, see ML
[15:25] <LjL> !ops ~= s/Help!/Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger for emergencies)/
[15:25] <Ubotwo> LjL: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:25] <LjL> whatever
[15:25] <ompaul> it is not the right bot you need it upstream
[15:26] <LjL> ompaul: i know, but upstream has been MIA for days
[15:26] <LjL> i'm not forgetting about it anyway
[15:28] <ompaul> LjL, I just sent him an sms 
[15:29]  * Hobbsee +1's, with botched email
[15:29] <ompaul> easy to ignore if you can
[15:30] <ompaul> lets see how far he is from the internnet :)
[15:31] <LjL> ompaul: it's really just a matter of telling it to reconnect - i'm sure it's just still stuck at trying to connect after the last server death
[15:42] <PriceChild> Tm_T, i'm back
[15:42] <PriceChild> LjL, are you ok with accepting jrib into the ubuntu-irc launchpad group?
[15:42] <Hobbsee> nope :P
[15:42]  * Hobbsee decidse to be stubborn
[15:43] <LjL> PriceChild: hm i guess so, he's been an op for a while... i think we simply forgot to add him?
[15:44] <PriceChild> Hehe yeah
[15:44] <Tm_T> PriceChild: any intentions to remove hawaiian ban?
[15:44] <PriceChild> hawaiian ban?
[15:45] <PriceChild> I'll accept him now.
[15:45] <Tm_T> 1638 -!- 13 - #ubuntu-ops: ban *!*@udp009716uds.hawaiiantel.net [by PriceChild,
[15:45] <PriceChild> Who was that on, unagi?
[15:45] <Tm_T> yes
[15:45] <PriceChild> Is he causing trouble elsewhere?
[15:45] <Tm_T> nope
[15:46] <Tm_T> he promised to me that he will come nicely on monday
[15:46] <PriceChild> Tm_T, would you like it removed?
[15:46] <Tm_T> well, I would love to see this come to end in peace :))
[15:46] <PriceChild> LjL, ah you already accepted cool :)
[15:47] <PriceChild> we can but hope
[15:47] <Tm_T> thanks sit
[15:47] <Tm_T> sir
[15:48] <Tm_T> if he blew this, I will haunt him till his death
[16:02] <LjL> PriceChild actually i accepted him couple hours ago ;P
[16:02] <PriceChild> hehe yeah
[16:26] <Mez> is uds on at the mo ?
[16:27]  * jdong shrugs
[16:28] <ompaul> no tomorrow (monday)
[16:33] <PriceChild> tomorrow
[16:34] <Mez> ah, well they're planning on using teamspeak arent they ?
[16:34] <Mez> they shouldnt do - they should use mumble/murmur :D
[16:34] <Mez> the FLOSS teamspeak
[16:35] <mc44> teamspeak? really? they used asterisk the last couple of times
[16:36]  * Mez shrugs and points them to mumble
[16:37]  * jdong gonna walk by the hotel to do a bit of food shopping...
[16:37] <Mez> jdong, you at UDS?
[16:37] <jdong> Mez: I live 2 blocks away from the hotel :)
[16:37] <Mez> ah lol
[16:37] <Mez> lucky git
[16:38] <ompaul> jdong, show popey where franklin st is on a map please ;-)
[16:38] <jdong> haha
[16:38] <jdong> err... good question
[16:38] <jdong> it crosses mass ave somewhere, right? :D
[16:39] <ompaul> the one beside the deeeeeep metro station
[16:39] <jdong> no wait a minute, it runs parallel to it...
[16:39] <popey> :)
[16:39] <popey> it's miles away :)
[16:40] <jdong> am I thinking of a different Franklin then?
[16:40] <Mez> slappopey for me jdong ;)
[16:40] <jdong> pfft figures in New England everything's named after mr. fly-a-kite
[16:40] <ompaul> jdong,  in the middle of boston 
[16:40] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Franklin+St,+Cambridge,+Middlesex,+Massachusetts+02139,+United+States&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=9.116965,23.203125&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,42.368540,-71.113480&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1
[16:41] <jdong> ompaul: popey linked me to the one I was thinking of... (in Cambridge)
[16:41] <ompaul> popey, there are two 
[16:42] <ompaul> one beside mit 
[16:42] <ompaul> and one in town
[16:42] <ompaul> sorry one beside harvard
[16:42] <ompaul> well one out that way
[16:42] <ompaul> haha
[16:42] <jdong> lol aaaanyway.... I'm leaving... why don't you guys be less male and ask for directions? ;-)
[16:42] <jdong> ompaul: one down by the barn?
[16:42] <ompaul> jdong, the one I want him to find is in the middle of Boston near the common
[16:45] <ompaul> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?daddr=Franklin+St,+Cambridge,+MA+02139,+USA&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=&f=d&hl=en&sll=42.366709,-71.106026&sspn=0.006595,0.014591&ie=UTF8&ll=42.355325,-71.05912&spn=0.006596,0.014591&z=16&om=1
[16:45] <ompaul> that franklin st
[16:48] <ompaul> popey, ^^ thats the one :)
[16:49] <ompaul> popey, I just had the visitor general confirm it - and they are on the Downtown Crossing metro station
[17:01] <Tm_T> humm
[17:01] <Tm_T> am I only one noticing lots of bots behind tor proxy just idling in random channels?
[17:01] <Tm_T> I assume they're bots because of idling and being on random channels
[17:02] <ompaul> well no they could be gone for sunday lunch or some such
[17:02] <ompaul> if you are really concerned do a /stats p and suggest the pattern you see to that person 
[17:03] <Tm_T> heh
[17:03] <ompaul> or do /cs access #freenode list and track down some of the helpers who can ping staff in a round about way
[17:03] <Tm_T> yu
[17:03]  * ompaul wanders off to fill in his conspiracy of the day form :)
[17:04] <Tm_T> :p
[17:04] <ompaul> Tm_T, I am not on staff any longer
[17:04] <Tm_T> ompaul: thanks :)
[17:04]  * ompaul at least is a helpful basket case :)
[17:05] <ompaul> I was going to be very cruel about myself so please don't pull me for being not pc thanks
[17:05] <Tm_T> ompaul: look picard for instance
[17:05] <Tm_T> or Zanav
[17:06] <ompaul> Tm_T, take it to pm please
[17:06] <Tm_T> gotcha
[17:06] <Tm_T> and phone ->
[17:06] <ompaul> k
[17:23] <gnomefreak> is chanserv having issues? or freenode having issues?
[17:24] <ompaul> not that I can note
[17:24] <ompaul> popey, ^^ did you get my map note for you
[17:24] <popey> yes
[17:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm ok
[17:25] <ompaul> popey, you out in cambridge?
[17:25] <gnomefreak> what would this error mean 17:06 -!- Irssi: Channel not fully synchronized yet
[17:25] <ompaul> some server lag one of them is out by a bit
[17:26] <gnomefreak> ah  ok
[17:26] <gnomefreak> but it should happen all the time if that were the case right?
[17:26] <gnomefreak> seems he gets it when trying to /kick /remove what not
[17:28] <ompaul> no - they generally are okay 
[17:29] <ompaul> talk with Mr N when he shows up
[17:29] <gnomefreak> ah ok i think i fixed him already just waiting to see
[17:29] <gnomefreak> nope cycle didnt do it
[17:32] <Tm_T> ompaul: staff contacted, FYI
[17:32] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: ty
[17:32] <ompaul> Tm_T, k
[17:32] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: ompaul is staff ;)
[17:33] <ompaul> no he ain't any longer
[17:33] <ompaul> :)
[17:33] <Tm_T> :p
[17:33] <ompaul> gnomefreak, check cloakz
[17:33] <Tm_T> ompaul: but you are!
[17:33]  * Tm_T hides
[17:34] <ompaul> where he gone he no hide too good 
[17:34] <gnomefreak> hes a kde dev
[17:34] <ompaul> I know that 
[17:34] <ompaul> :)
[17:34] <gnomefreak> i didnt 
[17:34] <ompaul> ahhh
[17:35] <Tm_T> ompaul: didnt like it :(
[17:36] <gnomefreak> noone ever does but they get used to it
[17:36] <ompaul> you are supposed to be able to come back really quick
[17:36] <ompaul> gnomefreak, demonstrage
[17:36] <ompaul> demonstrate even
[17:36] <gnomefreak> ompaul: not all of us have insane autorejion scripts
[17:36] <ompaul> gnomefreak, there is that
[17:36] <gnomefreak> irssi doesnt have a working one
[17:37] <ompaul> ohh 
[17:37] <gnomefreak> and i dont know enough perl to make it work
[17:37]  * ompaul cries for irssi versions everyone and kicks out all the irssi people :)
[17:37] <gnomefreak> :)
[17:37] <ompaul> gnomefreak, ask nalioth I think he has one
[17:37] <Tm_T> autorejoin is something I wouldnt touch even a long pointy stick
[17:37] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: we are allowed to
[17:37] <ompaul> hahaha
[17:37] <gnomefreak> speak of the devil
[17:37] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I still wont
[17:38] <ompaul> Tm_T, well the thing is that we got this thing called op wars usually kept for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:38] <ompaul> or in here there is opabuse
[17:38] <gnomefreak> nalioth: something is wrong in #kubuntu-devel with kicking or removing
[17:38] <Tm_T> ompaul: and I dont like it either
[17:38] <ompaul> !opabuse
[17:38] <Ubotwo> leave the ops alone ktnxbye
[17:38] <gnomefreak> lol
[17:39] <Tm_T> ompaul: you can have your fun together but leave me out :)
[17:39] <gnomefreak> out of channel?
[17:39] <Tm_T> I'm rather old grumpy hermit
[17:39] <ompaul> Tm_T, I'll try to remember you don't like it :-) please don't hide it does something funny in my brain :)
[17:40] <Tm_T> =)
[17:40]  * ompaul tries to adjust the wiring
[18:05] <gnomefreak> !pastebin
[18:05] <Ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[18:10] <gnomefreak> ubotwo info sunbird
[18:10] <Ubotwo> gnomefreak: Error: "info" is not a valid command.
[18:10] <gnomefreak> grrrrr
[18:11] <nalioth> !info sunbird
[18:12] <nalioth> ubot3 info sunbird
[18:12] <ubot3> sunbird: Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 8366 kB, installed size 26284 kB
[18:29] <PriceChild> Hmm off to the chippy.
[18:30] <PriceChild> If that guy appears, tell him to wait for me.
[18:31] <PriceChild> (#ubuntu)
[19:16] <no0tic> bye
[20:03] <PriceChild> nalioth, rw: sudoking from -classroom... i think he's just a troll tbh... was abusing the bot earlier in #ubuntu
[20:03] <PriceChild> *re:
[20:03] <nalioth> PriceChild: yep
[20:37] <LjL> besides, winbond was a troll, wasn't he
[20:39] <ompaul> yes
[21:00] <PriceChild> hey Seveas :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> hi Seveas 
[21:00] <Seveas> ola
[21:01] <PriceChild> ubotu's broken
[21:01] <PriceChild> nagios looks wierd
[21:01]  * Gary bites Seveas 
[21:01] <ompaul> Seveas, hello sms man 
[21:01] <PriceChild> sms?
[21:02] <Seveas> killed the bastard
[21:03] <ompaul> short message service
[21:03] <ompaul> phone thing
[21:03] <Seveas> Why isn't +1 'open' yet, hardy is open for a while already
[21:04] <LjL> Seveas: hey there. it was weird - two days ago, some servers split, ubotu went down and my bot too, i looked at 'screen' and it was trying to reconnect, but got stuck at it...
[21:04] <Seveas> same here
[21:04] <PriceChild> ompaul, yup... just didn't understand the reference.
[21:04] <LjL> Seveas: i thought there would be a connection timeout...
[21:04] <Seveas> and I was getting drunk on friday and on a release party yesterday
[21:04] <ompaul> :-)
[21:04] <LjL> Seveas: well i'll open +1, i don't really follow releases this early
[21:06] <ubot3> In #ubuntu, Seveas said: !hardy =~ s/$/ | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1/
[21:07] <LjL> eek nalioth your bot autorejoins
[21:08] <jdong> haha
[21:08] <PriceChild> !test
[21:08] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[21:09] <ubotu> Failed.
[21:25] <PriceChild> i smell trouble with <Dash4cash4077>
[21:25] <gnomefreak> im in 20 channels what one is he in?
[21:27] <PriceChild> #ubumtu
[21:27] <PriceChild> *#ubuntu
[21:27] <PriceChild> hehe... ubumtu
[21:27] <jdong> haha. you said bum.
[21:27] <PriceChild> jdong, sounds like...... bum!
[21:27]  * mc44 pages Dr. Freud
[21:27] <jdong> ubumtu suppository help.
[21:27] <Gary> bum, did someone say bum?
[21:27] <PriceChild> mc44, n and m are close together....
[21:27] <jdong> Gary: yes, we're talking about bum trolls
[21:27] <mc44> PriceChild: makes it even easier for your subconcious!
[21:28] <PriceChild> bum trolls in #ubumtu
[21:28] <Gary> oh, thats a shame, I thought we were talking about PriceChild's bum
[21:28] <PriceChild> :O how rude!
[21:28] <jdong> Gary: hey man, asian's where it's at :)
[21:28] <PriceChild> I think you crossed the line there.
[21:28] <Seveas> Gary, neh, that has no gossip value
[21:28] <Gary> PriceChild, really?
[21:28] <PriceChild> and there goes the dong leaping over it
[21:28] <PriceChild> Gary, :D
[21:29] <jdong> PriceChild: :P
[21:29] <Gary> I'm so sorry
[21:29] <Gary> let me make it up to you?
[21:52] <jussi01> hmmmm is there a factoid about ubuntu on a usb stick?
[21:55] <LjL> jussi01: i think there's just !install
[21:55] <LjL> which explains, somewhere, something about installing from an usb stick... possibly on... not sure
[21:55] <jussi01> LjL: ok. :)
[21:55] <jussi01> !install
[21:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:57] <jussi01> LjL: thanks very much. :)
[22:16]  * no0tic is an -it op ;)
[22:17] <jdong> no0tic: please read topic.
[22:18]  * jdong should trigger on no0tic join :D
[22:18] <no0tic> jdong, I already read ita couple of times
[22:18]  * jdong adds trigger...
[22:19] <ompaul> hmm
[22:19] <ompaul> can't do that 
[22:20]  * ompaul wanders off whistling
[22:20] <jdong> no0tic: rejoin :)
[22:21] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[22:21] <ompaul> he needs to change that quit message
[22:21]  * no0tic is an -it op ;)
[22:21] <no0tic> ompaul, I'll fix that
[22:21] <jdong> ok, it works :)
[22:21] <ompaul> jdong, why not give him a +v 
[22:22] <jdong> ompaul: it's not my decision?
[22:22] <ompaul> ahh 
[22:22] <no0tic> ompaul, I bow to you
[22:22] <ompaul> the voice is for any ubuntu op
[22:22] <ompaul> no0tic, don't bow just fix that damn quit message :P
[22:22] <jdong> lol
[22:23] <ompaul> is my manager speak showing again :)
[22:23] <TheSheep> if he replaced 'girl' with 'person of opposite sex' would it stop being sexist? ;)
[22:23] <no0tic> ompaul, "if you think [...] you are right" is better?
[22:24] <ompaul> no0tic, I would be more well I would say "if you think, you are doing it right"
[22:24] <jdong> no0tic: how about "second law of nerddom: The electric flux through a closed conducting shell is zero"
[22:25] <no0tic> jdong, I'd hit it
[22:25] <no0tic> jdong, :D
[22:25] <jdong> lol :)
[22:25] <ompaul> no0tic, how about "when I leave IRC is it still there?   :-) " 
[22:26] <ompaul> haha
[22:26] <jdong> "if a netsplit happens but nobody sees it, is it still a netsplit?"
[22:27] <gnomefreak> when ompaul leaves IRC mine shuts down :(
[22:27] <no0tic> btw, my previous part message belonged to questionablecontent, a nerdish/indie comics site
[22:28] <ompaul> gnomefreak, if I was to leave it for 6 weeks it would implode
[22:29]  * ompaul goes on a 7 week holiday 
[22:29] <gnomefreak> i agree it hink it would
[22:29]  * gnomefreak cant even get a 2 day holiday :(
[22:29] <gnomefreak> and canonical isnt paying me for my work
[22:31] <ompaul> gnomefreak, you should plan a break of a week somewhere say after the second "flight"
[22:31] <gnomefreak> i will once i get mozilla code up to date
[22:32] <gnomefreak> the one day off this week im taking is for court
[22:32] <PriceChild> jdong, yes
[23:44] <ompaul> ohh noes its rob
[23:44]  * ompaul gets ready to go to bed
[23:44] <ompaul> night all
[23:44] <elkbuntu> night ompaul 
[23:44] <gnomefreak> night
[23:44] <rob> boo.
[23:44] <rob> nn ompaul 
[23:47]  * gnomefreak gonna get yelled at :(
[23:49] <andresmujica> hi all, just wondering. would it be possible to create support channels for each distro supported. i know that most people use the latest and greatest ubuntu version, but come on, 12000, 1500 users almost all day???  i tried to give and ask for support but sometimes is almost impossible...
[23:50] <jrib> there are not many release-specific issues that come up in #ubuntu
[23:50] <andresmujica> just looking for an unswared post is hard.... i belive that would be important to find a solution for this, i mean to help in a better way our users
[23:51] <gnomefreak> andresmujica: making other channels will just mean same amount of helpers over more channels it doesnt mean you will get help faster or better
[23:51] <andresmujica> something like #ubuntu-dapper #ubuntu-edgy  #ubuntu-feisty #ubuntu-gutsy ... even if the channel can detect the OS version it can be automatically redirected (i think so)
[23:53] <elkbuntu> andresmujica, that would divide up the helpers, and force them into one single channel when they could be helping all channels... additionally, dividing attention 5 ways would slow things down anyway
[23:53] <gnomefreak> andresmujica: it has been brought up many times and we have come to same ending each time
[23:53] <andresmujica> hmmm ok.
[23:53] <andresmujica> i'm just worried that the channel is growing and growing...
[23:53] <andresmujica> where can i get some numbers?
[23:53] <andresmujica> i mean, people connected all the time
[23:53] <andresmujica> so we can check the evolution off this?
[23:54] <elkbuntu> andresmujica, most people in the channel are lurkers who never speak anyway
[23:54]  * andresmujica discovers that he almost all the time is a lurker ... 
[23:54] <elkbuntu> andresmujica, it's grown about 150 since release, but in a few weeks it'll drop by about 100 again
[23:57] <gnomefreak> god i hate going over the same package time after time because someone(me) did something stupid
[23:59] <LjL> andresmujica: someone comes here saying that *every* release. then the channel settles down after a while. every time. we reached 1600 users on edgy release.
[23:59] <LjL> anyway, most people seeking support are using gutsy, so splitting like that wouldn't work.
[23:59] <nalioth> PriceChild: please leave the +f in place
[23:59] <andresmujica> hmmm