[00:02]  * TuxCrafter turned on his movie pc and is unpacking a miswak stick
[00:03] <TuxCrafter> Mark76: is your system still alive
[00:04] <zolek> hello
[00:04] <TuxCrafter> hello
[00:04] <zolek> i've got a problem updating to 7.10
[00:04] <TuxCrafter> ow ow
[00:04] <zolek> heh
[00:04] <TuxCrafter> TuxCrafter: /me had that too and had to do a fresh install
[00:05] <zolek> probably You get tons of ppl like me everyday :)
[00:05]  * TuxCrafter had that too and had to do a fresh install
[00:05] <zolek> I'll probably do that too
[00:05] <TuxCrafter> zolek: have you used the upgrade guide/
[00:05] <zolek> well... not yet :)
[00:05] <TuxCrafter> hmm whats the problem...
[00:06] <TuxCrafter> zolek: http://www.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-6/
[00:06] <TuxCrafter> in the magazine there is a nice update guide
[00:06] <TuxCrafter> for starters..
[00:07] <TuxCrafter> dont know what your computer expert level is :-p
[00:07] <zolek> not too high i'm afraid
[00:08] <zolek> or: not as high as i would like it to be
[00:09] <TuxCrafter> zolek: just practice
[00:09]  * TuxCrafter is workied about Mark76
[00:10]  * TuxCrafter is going to sleep and wishes everybody good luck with all there endeavors 
[01:35] <mark-williams> Hey Keb
[01:35] <mark-williams> It's me :(
[01:36] <mark-williams> Mark76
[01:36] <mark-williams> Removing network manager removed my access to the internet
[01:36] <mark-williams> I had to reinstall the entire OS
[01:36] <mark-williams> From Breezy
[01:36] <crimsun_> err, that shouldn't be /the/ defining removal
[01:37] <crimsun_> as long as you have net-tools installed, it should be straightforward.
[01:37] <crimsun_> (however, it won't be as GUI-simple.)
[01:38] <mark-williams> IS there any way to install Ubuntu without having to burn an ISO?
[01:39] <crimsun_> cf. wubi.
[01:39] <mark-williams> Because I really can't burn a CD
[01:39] <mark-williams> Or is there a distro I can install without burning a CD?
[01:40] <crimsun_> seriously, http://wubi-installer.org/ .
[01:41] <mark-williams> Okay, downloading wubi
[01:42] <mark-williams> Balls. It's an .exe file :(
[01:43] <mark-williams> I can't run exe files
[01:44] <mark-williams> IS there a Linux version?
[01:44] <mark-williams> I really need a Linux version
[01:44] <mark-williams> Not a WIndows version
[01:45] <jcronin> Linux version of what?
[01:45] <mark-williams> of Wubi
[01:45] <josh_> Does anyone know how to delete the 'games' category in the application menu?
[01:45] <mark-williams> I need to reinstall Gutsy
[01:45] <mark-williams> And I don't have my installation CD
[01:46] <jcronin> right-click on the menu and edit menu
[01:46] <jcronin> then uncheck games
[01:46] <josh_> doesn't show all the categories.
[01:46] <josh_> when I right click and choose edit menu, it just shows the settings manager as an option
[01:47] <jcronin> it should have a column on the left, and if you scroll all of the way to the top
[01:47] <jcronin> and click on the "Applications" icon
[01:48] <jcronin> then on the right, it should show the games section
[01:48] <jcronin> (I am not working in Xubuntu btw)
[01:48] <jcronin> just plain Ubuntu 7.06
[01:48] <jcronin> What are the system requirements for Xubuntu?
[01:49] <josh_> gutsy xubuntu doesn't seem to work that way
[01:49] <josh_> Is there a text file?
[01:50] <jcronin> Not sure
[01:50] <jcronin> I'm only familiar with Gnome
[01:51] <jcronin> Does anyone know what the system requirements are for Xubuntu?
[01:52] <jcronin> duh! sorry, I must have overlooked it on the xubuntu.org/get page...
[01:55] <josh_> I just installed Xubuntu on a really light system, jcronin
[01:55] <josh_> My school had a bunch of pIII
[01:55] <josh_> laptops
[01:55] <josh_> They wanted internet and word processing
[01:55] <josh_> 128 mb ram
[01:56] <josh_> I used the alternate install cd and it seems to be working well
[01:56] <josh_> The xubuntu site also outlines minimum requirements
[01:56] <josh_>  You can google xubuntu system requirements and get the exact specs.
[01:56] <josh_> I just did that a few hours ago
[01:38] <josh_> q
[01:38] <josh_> \q
[01:38] <josh_> exit
[02:58] <AlanBShepard70> Does xubuntu 7.10 include any type of file search? I've looked all over on the net and on my machine and can't find a way to search through files
[03:00] <keb> AlanBShepard70 : you can use a terminal to do a locate or a find command
[03:02] <keb> AlanBShepard70 : you can also use Synaptic to search for search tools, or install Beagle
[03:03] <keb> there is a nice new search tool called catfish that is in early stages of development but supports a few different back end engines
[03:04] <AlanBShepard70> Does beagle or catfish have a GUI? I'd like to be able to click certain files within the results.
[03:04] <keb> yes i think both are gui based
[03:05] <AlanBShepard70> What's a good image viewer for xubuntu? On my default install gimp is used to load all images even just for a preview, needless to say it's kinda slow and not fun to use with many photos
[03:12] <AlanBShepard70> One last question.... What's the xubuntu equivilent of ctrl+a (select all). Everytime I try the select all keyboard shortcut the cursor just jumps to the beggining of the line. Google was no help in this matter
[03:12] <keb> i use gqview
[03:14] <AlanBShepard70> hmm gqview was already installed but images still open with gimp. All I had to do was switch the default program.... :-\
[03:15] <keb> http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/faq
[03:16] <keb> it is cool - you simply hover over the menu option with the mouse and press your favorite keyboard combo
[03:16] <keb> and it uses that
[03:16] <keb> i never knew that til now. thanks for asking :D
[03:17] <AlanBShepard70> lol you're welcome and thanks for the help
[03:22] <keb> np and hope to see you up in space again
[03:24] <AlanBShepard70> lol heh so would I.
[03:24] <AlanBShepard70> Alan B was one lucky guy
[05:34] <warbler> !ping
[05:45] <thingummywut> hi. has everyone heard about weird monitor problems with Feisty/Gutsy?
[05:46] <thingummywut> my monitor goes all black at the start-up messages, and at log-in screen the bottom doesn't fit to monitor
[05:47] <thingummywut> at desktop it seems to know something about the monitor because the background picture is scaled appropriately, but the bottom is still out of monitor
[05:47] <thingummywut> if i switch resolution from "screens and graphics" it gets ok
[05:47] <thingummywut> but it still ain't because of bad refresh rate or anything
[05:48] <gizmobay> maybe you can shift the screen through the monitor controls
[05:48] <thingummywut> nope, tried
[05:48] <thingummywut> and i'm missing like 1/4 of the bottom
[05:48] <thingummywut> so little shifting wouldn't work
[05:48] <gizmobay> yeah that's a lot
[05:48] <gizmobay> i thought it was just a little
[05:49] <thingummywut> yup. as if xubuntu thinks my monitor was a complete square
[05:49] <thingummywut> or even flipped 90 degrees
[05:49] <gizmobay> is your screen 16 x 9?
[05:49] <thingummywut> this one: http://www.hyundaiq.com/pro_l70s.asp
[05:50] <gizmobay> looks like 4 x 3
[05:51] <thingummywut> i've tried reconfigurating xorg.conf many, many times
[05:51] <gizmobay> does it do it with the livecd
[05:51] <thingummywut> yes
[05:51] <thingummywut> and with liveCD "safe graphics mode" the screen appears all black
[05:52] <thingummywut> and i get a weird "no-signal" monitor message: "Videoiaa ei ole auettu"
[05:52] <thingummywut> that's like finnish written very, very wrong
[05:52] <gizmobay> did you post it on the ubuntu forums?
[05:53] <thingummywut> not yet
[05:53] <thingummywut> it's funny if i reload the settings in desktop environment it works fine
[05:53] <thingummywut> but when i boot it's messed up
[05:55] <gizmobay> do you change the settings through the gui or command line?
[06:00] <thingummywut> i get it working by switching from 75 Hz to 60 Hz (or vice versa) through the GUI
[06:05] <thingummywut> btw, ain't it 5 x 4 if the default resolution is 1024 x 1280?
[06:05] <thingummywut> *1280 x 1024
[06:22] <thingummywut> tried the forums now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3651056#post3651056
[06:45] <AlexC> anybody know how to get burn to burn an audio cd in order of track number
[06:53] <warbler> I thought when you loaded them into the burning software that was the order they were burned in?
[07:23] <[chr0n0s]> hi, my xfce4-panel doesn't start at xubuntu login, how do i fix it ?
[08:24] <ierce> hello, i would like to run xubuntu from mini cd. is it possible remaster xubuntu? how can I do it?
[08:31] <zoredache> minicd?
[08:34] <ierce> yes mini cd
[08:35] <ierce> cca 210MB
[09:16] <DaBeowulf> 'lo, did anyone in here recently install afresh from a GG Live CD and can tell me how much the total of the initial update D/Ls will be?
[09:19] <vonck7> not much, a few little updates
[09:20] <DaBeowulf> I'll try to make my aunt switch and she connected to the net via call by call ISDN.
[09:21] <DaBeowulf> 's
[09:22] <DaBeowulf> Is there a way for me to get the downloads she'll need, that isn't too much work?
[09:38] <Adriaan_> Hey, I finally managed to get a good burned CD, and I installed Xubuntu.
[09:38] <Adriaan_> I played the 'experience ubuntu' Ogg to test and the image quality really sucked, the screen flickers and stuff...
[09:38] <Adriaan_> So how do I fix this?
[09:40] <Adriaan_> Also: I'd like to know what I have to install to get my iPod to work with Xubuntu, and to play non-free extensions like mpg, mp3, wmv...etcetera
[09:42] <gamulbert> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for mp3 etc. i have no idea about ipod.
[09:49] <J-_> !codecs
[09:49] <J-_> hmm
[09:49] <J-_> !ping
[09:52] <maxamillion> J-_: the bot doesn't appear to be logged in at the moment
[09:52] <maxamillion> J-_: try checking ubuntuguide.org for info on codecs
[09:52] <J-_> maxamillion: yep, figured that.
[09:52] <J-_> I was trying to help someone.
[10:11] <niila> hello
[10:26] <niila> anyone happen to know about murrine configurator? i dont know how to install it
[10:26] <niila> the file is called nmc.tar_3
[10:29] <totalwormface> the downloadsite says 'i think you have spam'
[10:29] <totalwormface> so i didn't trust the package :P
[11:02] <computer-123> where do i adjust the volume for all media?
[11:04] <totalwormface> you can add volume control to the panel
[11:20] <Pixilarion> somebody knows a music player that supports on-the-fly normalize of your music without altering your files but by just "scanning" them?
[11:20] <Sine> in Xfce what is the little circle in the left of the titlebars on aps
[11:20] <Pixilarion> Sine: good question :)
[11:20] <Sine> Pixilarion: O.O
[11:21] <Sine> I'm testing out gnome kde and xfce and that little circle us there with no function.... it bothers me
[11:22] <Sine> AH HA! i figured it out
[11:22] <vonck7> you mean the icon for applications? i set that panel to icon-only
[11:23] <Sine> no
[11:23] <Sine> look at the title bar of the window then to the left side near the icon, the little white circle
[11:23] <_Adriaan> it's view on all workspaces/only on this workspace
[11:23] <_Adriaan>  :-)
[11:23] <Sine> if you click it it toggles between the ap being on all desktops or just one
[11:23] <_Adriaan> exactemente
[11:24] <Sine> yay now i wont go insane clicking it anymore
[11:24] <vonck7> ;)
[11:25] <Sine> wow... you guys are alot nicer then the #ubuntu folks
[11:25] <totalwormface> :P
[11:25] <totalwormface> we get that a lot :P
[11:26] <Sine> though there seems to be alot less of you too
[11:27] <Sine> can you upgrade from fiesty to gutsy from within linux? or do you need to download the cd and redo it all over again
[11:29] <vonck7> just start the update-manager in the system menu
[11:29] <Sine> but isn't gutsy still beta?
[11:29] <vonck7> nope, it's stable now
[11:32] <vonck7> i can start compiz using "compiz --replace" , is there a simular command to go back to the xfce window manager?
[11:33] <totalwormface> what happens if you try to launch xfwm4?
[11:34] <vonck7> trying...
[11:34] <vonck7> ** (xfwm4:14852): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running
[11:34] <vonck7>  ** (xfwm4:14851): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running
[11:35] <totalwormface> i don't see any replace options in xfwm4
[11:35] <vonck7> oops
[11:35] <totalwormface> vonck7: and if you just close compiz?
[11:35] <vonck7> then i loze all window-decorations
[11:37] <totalwormface> vonck7: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569432
[11:37] <totalwormface> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558089
[11:41] <tsubasaleguedin> hello :)
[11:41] <Sine> does xubuntu have any real benefit over gnome other then being blue instead of orange?
[11:41] <tsubasaleguedin> It may be normal, but i have a problem with xfce and xubuntu
[11:42] <tsubasaleguedin> when I right click on the desktop, the wallpaper disappear
[11:42] <totalwormface> Sine: it uses less memory
[11:43] <totalwormface> Sine: and has a mouse as logo! i ask you how much benefit do you want :D
[11:43] <TheSheep> Sine: it also has quite a different approach for many things, which appeals to some people -- and to some not
[11:44] <Sine> totalwormface: I remember hearing it was a lighter kernal/os (newish to linux not sure what gnome kde and xfce are officially called) but is does it provide enough benifit to be noticible?
[11:44] <TheSheep> Sine: it uses teh same kernel as ubuntu
[11:45] <TheSheep> Sine: it only uses different set of default applications (lighter and simpler)
[11:45] <totalwormface> Sine: it's completely the same operating system / kernel, is't just the front end / userinterface which changes and it comes with some programs which replace KDE and Gnome programs
[11:47] <totalwormface> Sine: i personally switch between gnome and xfce once in a while, i don't notice any speed difference, but i notice it a big deal on my 'server'
[11:47] <totalwormface> that one just doesn't run under gnome :]
[11:47] <totalwormface> and i personally like the looks of xfce
[11:48] <Sine> hmm ok. I guess I'll have to experiment for a littl before i switch for good
[11:48] <TheSheep> totalwormface: Thunar is much fster than Nautilus, and you don't need special aparature to see this :)
[11:49] <totalwormface> TheSheep: that is correct :P
[11:49] <totalwormface> sweet heavens
[11:56] <sugardrunkk> hello
[11:57] <sugardrunkk> I'm having a problem with my network connection...
[11:57] <sugardrunkk> using this funny USB to HOMEPNA adapter... (pegasus driver)
[11:58] <sugardrunkk> so everytime i reboot or start up my Xubuntu Gutsy, I have to first remove pegasus (modprove -rv pegasus) and then restart my eth1
[11:58] <sugardrunkk> oh and of course reload pegasus before the restart of eth1
[11:59] <sugardrunkk> i have added the lines to /etc/modules/... but nothing seems to work like it used to with Feisty..
[12:03] <TheSheep> !bugs
[12:03] <TheSheep> argh, ubotu still dead
[12:04] <TheSheep> sugardrunkk: please report a bug, and include all the information you can gather that you think may be relevant
[12:04] <TheSheep> sugardrunkk: at http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[12:06] <ffjia> hi there
[12:07] <ffjia> i just upgrade from feisty to gutsy
[12:07] <sugardrunkk> TheSheep, maybe I will..
[12:07] <sugardrunkk> TheSheep, not sure if it is a bug though
[12:07] <ffjia> but i don't know how/where to enable compiz
[12:09] <TheSheep> sugardrunkk: if it used to work and doesn't work now, it sure looks like a bug, at least in teh default system settings
[12:09] <ffjia> sugardrunkk: how about add "pegasus" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:10] <TheSheep> ffjia: try asking at #compiz-fusion
[12:10] <ffjia> command not found...
[12:10] <TheSheep> ffjia: it's a channel name
[12:11] <ffjia> TheSheep: oops
[12:11] <sugardrunkk> :)
[12:11] <ffjia> TheSheep: gutsy did support compiz, right?
[12:12] <ffjia> i mean by default
[12:12] <TheSheep> ubuntu gutsy does support compiz, yes
[12:12] <TheSheep> not te lack of x at the beginning
[12:13] <ffjia> TheSheep: then i should able to enable compiz-fusion, from somewhere
[12:14] <TheSheep> ffjia: in ubuntu, yes
[12:14] <TheSheep> ffjia: in settings->gl desktop, if I remember correctly
[12:15] <TheSheep> ffjia: then again, I htink it's enabled by default on cards that support it
[12:15] <TheSheep> ffjia: in ubuntu, of course, not in xubuntu
[12:15] <ffjia> TheSheep: what about xubuntu?
[12:15] <TheSheep> ffjia: what about it?
[12:16] <TheSheep> ffjia: you can install any package from ubuntu or kubuntu in xubuntu
[12:17] <ffjia> TheSheep: thanks, maybe i upgrade from feisty, so the packages related to compiz were not installed
[12:18] <TheSheep> ffjia: xubuntu doesn't install compiz by default
[12:18] <ffjia> TheSheep: oh, i c, :)
[12:19] <_Adriaan> Back, and asking again: /I finally managed to get a good burned CD, and I installed Xubuntu.
[12:19] <_Adriaan> I played the 'experience ubuntu' Ogg to test and the image quality really sucked, the screen flickers and stuff.../
[12:19] <TheSheep> ffjia: sorry for being vague
[12:19] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: what cpu?
[12:20] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: and what graphics card?
[12:20] <ffjia> TheSheep: np, i should read something like release notes before
[12:20] <_Adriaan> TheSheep: it's aPentium II (deschutes)
[12:21] <_Adriaan> TheSheep: Graph. card not sure...
[12:22] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: speed of that p2?
[12:23] <_Adriaan> TheSheep: I dont know,where can I check it?
[12:24] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: cat /proc/cpu
[12:24] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:24] <TheSheep> sorry
[12:29] <_Adriaan> TheSheep: When I go to Applications->Accesories->terminal I automaticaly log out :?
[12:30] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: aag, i810 graphics crad
[12:30] <TheSheep> card
[12:30] <_Adriaan> or where do I have to put *cat /proc/cpuinfo*
[12:30] <TheSheep> _Adriaan: you run feisty, not gutsy?
[12:30] <_Adriaan> TheSheep: I run gutsy
[12:30] <TheSheep> I thought this bug was fixed :/
[12:31] <_Adriaan> wait, I'm gonna shut down, I'll be back in some minutes, than I upgrade some stuff
[12:31] <ffjia> TheSheep: what does "aag" stand for?
[12:32] <TheSheep> ffjia: it was supposed to be argh!
[12:32] <TheSheep> ffjia: a sound
[12:32] <ffjia> TheSheep: cool
[12:32] <TheSheep> bug #91849
[12:33] <TheSheep> right, ubotu's dead :(
[12:35] <ffjia> TheSheep: who killed she/he?
[12:36] <TheSheep> ffjia: it's a bot, seems it has some temporary technical problems
[12:37] <TheSheep> ffjia: it normally tells a link to the bug description when you mention a bug
[12:37] <ffjia> TheSheep: hehe
[12:38] <ffjia> TheSheep: it's the same bot in #ubuntu?
[12:38] <TheSheep> yes, they have a tmporary replacement now though
[12:39] <ffjia> TheSheep: thanks
[12:41] <adriaan_> Alright
[12:42] <PowerUp> How would you 'auto start' something once you login? Such as if you where to put a shortcut in your 'start up' folder in Windows.
[12:42] <adriaan_> so... I'm now in with xubuntu, what do I need to do?
[12:42] <TheSheep> PowerUp: settings->autostarted applications
[12:43] <PowerUp> OK.
[12:43] <TheSheep> adriaan_: there is a workaround for that bug
[12:43] <PowerUp> TheSheep: Sound didn't work while in the live DISK, I imagine once I installed it, It would work ?
[12:43] <TheSheep> adriaan_: you have to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and change the 'DefaultDepth 24' line to 'DefaultDepth 16'
[12:44] <ffjia> TheSheep: is it the same that put scripts in ~/.config/autostart/?
[12:44] <TheSheep> PowerUp: no, it might need some configuring, but you may be lucky
[12:44] <TheSheep> ffjia: yes
[12:44] <adriaan_> okay, but wait, I have to go now, I'll leave me logged in, so if you want you can send me more infos about the bugs...
[12:44] <PowerUp> TheSheep: it worked right off bat in slow ass Ubuntu
[12:45] <vonck7> totalwormface: thanks
[12:45] <PowerUp> Then I ditched it cause it ran worse than XP ever thought about
[12:45] <TheSheep> PowerUp: if it worked in ubuntu, it should work the same in xubuntu, they have the same kernel
[12:45] <TheSheep> PowerUp: how do you check?
[12:45] <PowerUp> TheSheep: check what?
[12:45] <TheSheep> PowerUp: the sound
[12:45] <PowerUp> I played a video in VLC
[12:46] <PowerUp> Once I installed it
[12:46] <TheSheep> PowerUp: maybe you're just missing codecs, for example?
[12:46] <PowerUp> Well, when I pressed mute on my keyboard, it didn't come up with a 'sound muted' like in Ubuntu, but maybe that's just the GUI ?
[12:46] <PowerUp> or sound up/down
[12:47] <PowerUp> I of course couldn't play anything in the live disk
[12:47] <PowerUp> since there was no mpg123
[12:47] <PowerUp> or anything
[12:47] <PowerUp> But seeing there was no sound menu..
[12:47] <TheSheep> PowerUp: you can add a sound volume control to your panel
[12:47] <PowerUp> I figured it didn't pick it up
[12:48] <PowerUp> Alright.  That's that issue, next is where is the screen saver options ?
[12:48] <TheSheep> PowerUp: settings->screen saver settings
[12:49] <PowerUp> OK, next, I need to know how to turn off/on my NIC again through the terminal (so I can put it in a crontab).
[12:49] <PowerUp> I have a "Fair access policy" that only allows unlimited usage during 2-5 AM, and after that it counts towards the daily limit, so I don't need idle hours on.
[12:50] <zeroflag> is there something like's gnome's /etc/init.d/gdm for xfce?
[12:50] <zeroflag> because I can't start xfce (with xubuntu-desktop installed) while I can still start gdm (without ubuntu-desktop installed)...
[12:50] <TheSheep> PowerUp: sudo ip link set <device> up/down
[12:51] <TheSheep> zeroflag: it's the same
[12:51] <TheSheep> zeroflag: xfce also uses gdm
[12:51] <zeroflag> so I just start GDM and get xfce?
[12:51] <zeroflag> ok, then why does it still look like gnome?
[12:51] <TheSheep> zeroflag: yes, you might have to choose it in the 'session' menu
[12:52] <zeroflag> mmhh...
[12:52] <zeroflag> let me see if I can get my mouse working first...
[12:52] <TheSheep> zeroflag: on the login screen
[12:52] <zeroflag> I don't get any login screen. :P
[12:52] <zeroflag> seems I'm missing a login manager... >_<
[12:52] <TheSheep> PowerUp: for example, sudo ip link set eth0 down
[12:52] <TheSheep> PowerUp: will bring eth0 down
[12:52] <TheSheep> zeroflag: sems you set your gdm to autologin
[12:53] <PowerUp> TheSheep: OK, The only thing I can think of next would be a good download manager , like GetRight or Freedownloadmanager in windows.
[12:53] <PowerUp> Or maybe run them under wine
[12:53] <TheSheep> zeroflag: disable it in 'login windo settings'
[12:53] <zeroflag> well, if I start gdm as a user, shouldn't it be using that user?
[12:53] <TheSheep> PowerUp: there are some donwload managers for linux too, just search for them in synaptic
[12:54] <zeroflag> ok, how do I enable my usb mouse?
[12:54] <TheSheep> zeroflag: you can't start gdm as user
[12:54] <zeroflag> it won't initialize (no red light thingie)...
[12:54] <zeroflag> fine, I sudo-cheated. -_-
[12:54] <TheSheep> zeroflag: it should work out of the box
[12:54] <zeroflag> well, doesn't.
[12:54] <zeroflag> lights are out.
[12:55] <TheSheep> zeroflag: check if it's connected XD
[12:57] <PowerUp> TheSheep: alrighty. So I imagine I wont be disappointed with this er.. windows manager?  As I was with GNOME ?
[12:57] <PowerUp> TheSheep: Meaning, it wont grab ass when alt + tab, or opening a program like Ubuntu ?
[12:57] <PowerUp> TheSheep: I blame it on the animations I couldn't turn off though
[12:58] <TheSheep> PowerUp: yes, xfce is pretty fast
[12:58] <zeroflag> TheSheep: it is connected. I already rebooted and it didn't do the trick...
[12:58] <zeroflag> ewwww... sounds like bios setting... >_<
[12:59] <PowerUp> I have a 10 GB internal, 320 MBs of PC100 SDRAM, VooDoo3 8 MB 3dfx video card.
[12:59] <PowerUp> P2 450 MHz
[12:59] <PowerUp> CPU
[12:59] <Kevo> hello, anyone around that can help me with an upgrade issue?
[12:59] <PowerUp> And Ubuntu ran like it was Vista
[12:59] <PowerUp> or something
[12:59] <zeroflag> great...
[12:59] <zeroflag> what's the thing with "three times"?
[13:00] <zeroflag> third reboot, mouse working. >_<
[13:01]  * zeroflag nods
[13:01] <zeroflag> bios issue. >_<
[13:03] <zeroflag> does xfce use the settings from gnome or how do I make certain xfce is running instead of gnome?
[13:03] <PowerUp> TheSheep: I suppose this would be 'fair' to run on xfce ?
[13:05] <gpocentek> zeroflag: why would xfce use the gnome settings?
[13:06] <zeroflag> gpocentek: maybe because it's just "settings" and has nothing to do with the wm implementation?
[13:06] <zeroflag> but anywho, how do I enable xfce...
[13:06] <zeroflag> xfce is set up as the defualt window manager but it still starts gnome for my auto-login...
[13:06] <gpocentek> just select it in the gdm sesions menu (if you run gdm)
[13:07] <TheSheep> zeroflag: or edit ~/.dmrc
[13:07] <zeroflag> where? oO
[13:07] <zeroflag> I have gnome's sessions manager...
[13:07] <zeroflag> but I can't see xfce anywhere...
[13:09] <zeroflag> mmh...
[13:09] <zeroflag> Sesssion=default
[13:10] <zeroflag> shouldn't that start with the default setting, which is xfce?
[13:10] <TheSheep> if you installed ubuntu first, the default is gnome
[13:11] <zeroflag> well, gnome's login preferences suggest that I changed that to "[x] Default session: Xfce Session"
[13:12] <zeroflag> eheh...
[13:12] <zeroflag> [x] Last
[13:12] <zeroflag> >_<
[13:13] <zeroflag> it still uses some of my gnome settings (desktop layout)...
[13:13] <zeroflag> which is good, I think...
[13:15] <zeroflag> ok, thanks guys. seems to be working now.
[13:16] <zeroflag> oh, another thing...
[13:16] <zeroflag> how would I set up a persistent session over VNC?
[13:23] <Powerup> Is it possible to use the windows key for CTRL + ALT
[13:24] <TheSheep> Powerup: you can map the keys however you like, there are lots of tutorials on this
[13:25] <Powerup> Where at ?
[13:25] <TheSheep> google for xmodmap
[13:29] <adriaan_> TheSheep: I changed 24 to 16, but when I try to save I get: *can't open file to write*
[13:30] <Powerup> TheSheep: It appears you have to know which key is being pressed to 'map' them?
[13:31] <TheSheep> adriaan_: you have to do it as root
[13:31] <TheSheep> adriaan_: press alt+f2 and type 'gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[13:32] <adriaan_> alright, changed the 24 to16 and saved
[13:32] <adriaan_> it should work now?
[13:32] <TheSheep> adriaan_: press alt+ctrl+backspace to restart X
[13:33] <adriaan_> okay..brb
[13:33] <TheSheep> adriaan_: that will log you out
[13:34] <Powerup> TheSheep: some places are saying I need to edit '.xinitrc' ?
[13:34] <Powerup> With my changes ?
[13:34] <tsubasaleguedin> Someone know why if I right click on the desktop, the wallpaper disappear with xfce compositing on ?
[13:35] <TheSheep> Powerup: what is the question?
[13:35] <tsubasaleguedin> its really boring
[13:35] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: sounds liek a bug
[13:35] <Powerup> TheSheep: I am still trying to figure out how to add shotcuts/etc
[13:35] <adriaan_> alright, back
[13:35] <TheSheep> adriaan_: the terminal should work now
[13:35] <adriaan_> it does
[13:35] <adriaan_> :) thanks
[13:36] <tsubasaleguedin> TheSheep: and ? : /
[13:36] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: well, you know, look if it's reported already and report it if not, or add any useful information you hove to an existing bug report
[13:37] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: the developers can't fix it if they don't know about it
[13:37] <adriaan_> you might be busy, but could you tell me what I had to do to find out graph card and fix the video-problem?
[13:37] <tsubasaleguedin> TheSheep: you mean i am the first to try a right click on xfce desktop ?
[13:37] <tsubasaleguedin> 'cause i use xfce compositor
[13:38] <mikubuntu> my friend has a problem .... her windows is really corrupted, and all she was able to do was boot into safe mode, but couldn't get online, nor perform many other functions ... so i gave her an xubuntu to run live, which it does with no problem, i assured her that we were not 'installing' at this point (she's worried about her data on the windows system)... anyways, now, even when she turns...
[13:38] <mikubuntu> ...the (compaq presario 5000 series) computer on W
[13:38] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: you are the first to have a combination of settings and hardware that makes it crash, everyone else seem to be right-clicking on their desktop without problems
[13:39] <tsubasaleguedin> with xfce compositor ?
[13:39] <tsubasaleguedin> yes for sure it work without compositor
[13:39] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: I have compositor enabled and menu on right click enabled and it always worked and works now
[13:39] <mikubuntu> without the xub disk in it she cannot get windows to boot... even when she takes the x disk out, her cvomputer saying something like 'no valid system found'
[13:40] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: sounds liek a windows problem
[13:40] <tsubasaleguedin> TheSheep: Ok i have one thing for you
[13:40] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: maybe ask on ##windows
[13:40] <tsubasaleguedin> I dont want right click menu, go in XFCE control panel
[13:41] <tsubasaleguedin> in Desktop uncheck the 'display desktop menu on right click
[13:41] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: ok, will try, just wondered if any x'ers had experienced the same thing after running live
[13:41] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: it's unchecked by default on all installations
[13:41] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: you mean before running live it was ok?
[13:41] <tsubasaleguedin> For me the wallpaper stay with this option
[13:41] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: livecd doesn't touch hard disk if not ordered to do so
[13:42] <tsubasaleguedin> the menu appear, but if i dont want the menu I uncheck the option, and now if i right click, the wallpaper disappear
[13:43] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: it disappears because xfdesktop crashes
[13:43] <tsubasaleguedin> yes
[13:43] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: and it crashes because of some bug you found and should report
[13:43] <tsubasaleguedin> I must renable it in xfce control panel
[13:44] <TheSheep> tsubasaleguedin: chances are that the bug is already reported and there is a workaround in its decription
[13:47] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: before running live it wasn't 'completely ok' she could only go into safe mode on windows, and could not internet or many other things, that's why i gave her the livecd... that's why i don't understand the problem now... she did not 'install' x, just ran live...
[13:48] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: in any case, she should probably insert the windows cd and select 'repait my system' or something like that
[13:48] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: did you access the windows disks from the livecd?
[13:50] <adriaan_> TheSheep: Could you repeat the steps I have to take to solve the video-problem?
[13:52] <TheSheep> adriaan_: press alt+f2, type 'gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf', find 'DefaultDepth 24', change it to 'DefaultDepth 16', save and exit, press alt+ctrl+backspace to restart X
[13:53] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: as far as i know, no... do you mean it 'is possible' to access windows files from the livecd?
[13:53] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: of course it is
[13:54] <mikubuntu> how do you browse windows files from livecd?
[13:54] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: I think they are read-only by default, but this might have changed in the recent version
[13:54] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: you should have icons for the disks on the desktop
[13:54] <adriaan_> the 16->24 change solves terminal problem, but no tthe video problem
[13:55] <TheSheep> adriaan_: your computer is not exactly very fast
[13:55] <TheSheep> adriaan_: it may improve when you install codecs
[13:55] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: question: even on 7.04?
[13:55] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: on 7.04 they are read only, afair
[13:55] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: but they are tehre
[13:56] <TheSheep> there
[13:56] <TheSheep> adriaan_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Codecs
[13:56] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: when 'read only' is it poss to export them, like say attach them to an email, and send them to an external storage, where they could be converted to read/write?
[13:57] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: yes, you can read them and copy them normally
[13:57] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: you can copy them to a pendrive, for example
[13:58] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: you can also mount the windows disk in read-write mode
[13:58] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it just wasnt so by default, because they had to reverse-engineer the windows file sysem and there were sometimes some problems with some operations
[13:58] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: oooooOOOOOOoooohhhhh, i never knew that ... i could have saved my own files way back 3 mos ago when i switched...
[13:59] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: but anyways, enough about me, i just need to solve my friend
[13:59] <mikubuntu> s problem for now
[13:59] <TheSheep> windows cd should be able to repair that windows installation, by the way
[14:00] <TheSheep> without reinstalling
[14:00] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: her windows is so corrupted it barely does anything, but she wants to save select files before installing xubuntu
[14:01] <TheSheep> well, you can do that
[14:01] <TheSheep> you can copy them to pendrive or over netwrok, or even send by e-mail
[14:01] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: i don't think she has a windows cd, its so old prolly lost, she did say she has a 'compaq recovery disk' is that same thing?
[14:02] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: might be
[14:02] <mikubuntu> hmmmmmm
[14:02] <mikubuntu> ok, mucho information, let me go process; thanks and see yous lata...
[14:03] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: good luck
[14:03] <TheSheep> and remember, we don't need to force people into linux, they will come by themselves sooner or later ;)
[14:04] <mikubuntu> oh, no.  i'm FORCING her
[14:05] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: this usually results in a curious phenomenon: whenever somethng's wrong, she'll say "it worked on windows"
[14:10] <adriaan_> TheSheep: ubuntu-restricted-extras? any other codecs?
[14:11] <TheSheep> adriaan_: I was mostly thinking w32codecs
[14:12] <adriaan_> TheSheep: Thanks, I'll load these when the other one's ready
[14:13] <TuxCrafter> nice compleet black sreen
[14:14] <TuxCrafter> during boot
[14:14] <TuxCrafter> :-p
[14:14] <TheSheep> adriaan_: it's always possible tah tyoru computer is too weak to decode and play this video fluently
[14:14] <TuxCrafter> damm wrong channe.
[14:14] <TuxCrafter> sorry guys
[14:14]  * TuxCrafter goes back to ##linux
[14:15] <adriaan_> there used to be a windows 2000 on it, and it played videos without any troubles...
[14:21] <adriaan_> I find it odd that there is no music player included in Xubuntu
[14:21] <TheSheep> adriaan_: there is 'media player', it plays both music and movies
[14:22] <TheSheep> adriaan_: for long and comfortable listening, I recommends installing mpd
[14:22] <TheSheep> -s
[14:22] <adriaan_> "mpds"
[14:23] <TheSheep> mpd
[14:23] <adriaan_> okay
[14:23] <TheSheep> -s was for recommends->recommend
[14:23] <TheSheep> sorry
[14:23] <adriaan_> Ohh I see
[14:23] <adriaan_> should I install "gstreamer" codecs?
[14:24] <TheSheep> no, xubuntu uses xine by default
[14:24] <adriaan_> okay
[14:25] <adriaan_> it's odd though that under MS Win 2000 I could play videos correctly
[14:26] <TheSheep> adriaan_: usually linux is faster :/
[14:26] <TheSheep> adriaan_: maybe there is something with the video driver for your card
[14:27] <TheSheep> adriaan_: wait, is it livecd?
[14:27] <adriaan_> no, I installed with Alternate CD
[14:30] <adriaan_> but it is possible that it's my drivers fault indeed
[14:46] <adriaan_> if its a driver-error, how do I solve it?
[14:53] <TheSheep> adriaan_: try looking for your graphics card mode lon the forums, maybe there is a solution
[14:53] <TheSheep> adriaan_: you can check your grahics card by typing 'lspci'
[14:53] <TheSheep> adriaan_: it's also possible that the videos you tried on windows were worse quality
[14:55] <adriaan_> that's possible inndeed...i thinnk I'm going to buy a "new" 2nd hand PC,... the newest they've got, at a reasonable price :)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation DS1L Audio (rev 04)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
[14:58] <adriaan_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c368 [Trio 3D/2X] (rev 02)
[15:06] <adriaan_> TheSheep: alright, thanks for the help! I'm gonna shutdown when I installed banshee
[15:25] <qwerkus> hi all
[15:25] <qwerkus> I'm trying to set a direct network between an Ubuntu-laptop and a win Xp one
[15:26] <qwerkus> does someone know how to configure the network interface (eth0) on both sides to get it working with a cross-over cable
[15:26] <qwerkus> ?
[15:29] <TheSheep> qwerkus: sure, just set them to 'static ip'
[15:29] <qwerkus> no gw ?
[15:30] <TheSheep> qwerkus: and put the same settings on both, except for the ip
[15:30] <TheSheep> qwerkus: if you only want the two connected, then no gateway
[15:30] <TheSheep> qwerkus: tand different ip, from teh same subnet
[15:30] <TheSheep> qwerkus: for example, 192.168.0.1 and 192.268.0.2
[15:30] <qwerkus> you mean just ifconfig eth0 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
[15:31] <TheSheep> qwerkus: yes
[15:31] <qwerkus> nice
[15:31] <TheSheep> then should see each other
[15:31] <qwerkus> well
[15:31] <qwerkus> i can't ping the windows box
[15:31] <TheSheep> qwerkus: check if windows has firewall enabled
[15:31] <qwerkus> of course ...
[15:32] <TheSheep> qwerkus: I think windows has pings disabled in the firewall
[15:32] <TheSheep> qwerkus: by default
[15:33] <qwerkus> WORKING !!
[15:33] <qwerkus> and what about samba ?
[15:35] <qwerkus> how do i set things to enable winxp users-access on my ubuntu shares ?
[15:40] <qwerkus> Something's still wrong: smbclient -L 192.168.0.3 from the Ubuntu box don t work
[16:08] <DaBeowulf> Will Xubuntu only auto-detect USB printers?
[18:44] <slavik> how customizable are xfce panels?
[18:49] <nikolam> what panel ?
[18:49] <nikolam> Usually right click on it
[18:50] <nikolam> Select customize panel add, remove etc
[20:03] <bobo> Where i can find the config used to build the stock kernel (2.6.22-14.46 on 7.10)? Thank you.
[20:04] <gpocentek> in /boot/ if you install the kernel
[20:04] <gpocentek> or you can extract the .deb if you don't want to install it
[20:05] <bobo> ok, found.I'll try to rebuild it since with i386 flavour i am able to shutdown the pc, whilst with the 686 one it doesn't fully shutdown ( a bug? )
[20:05] <gpocentek> 686 flavour?
[20:06] <gpocentek> it doesn't exist AFAIK, do you mean generic?
[20:06] <bobo> Yes, excuse me. With generic it doesn't shut down, with 386 it shuts down.
[20:17] <MelanomaSky> I've just installed Xubuntu -- the font size for the "Applications", and the icon titles on the desktop is absurdly too large.  Anyone know how I can fix that?
[20:21] <bobo> You should use something like ( i'm not english ) gui settings from the settings menu, and change the font size
[20:25] <MelanomaSky> I think the dpi is messed up
[20:28] <bobo> What happens if you change the font size?
[20:29] <MelanomaSky> bobo: The size changes, but it is wrong..
[20:30] <MelanomaSky> Similar to the problem in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575978&highlight=font+size
[20:33] <RandyboY> How can i reset my sources.list? Get the ones i need and add some for programs?
[20:47] <cheeseboy> anyone in here using cups?
[20:48] <hyper__ch> RandyboY: google for source-o-matic
[20:55] <tombar_> guys i have been googoling about adding themes to my xubuntu but i really didnt understand, maybe im missing something
[20:55] <tombar_> i added my themes to .themes and to /usr/share/themes
[20:55] <tombar_> but cant get them on my user interface to show
[20:55] <tombar_> any tip/clue/link?
[21:31] <Mark76> Gah!  What a nightmare! =-O
[21:32] <cheeseboy> anyone in here using cups?
[21:32] <Mark76> I use mugs
[21:32] <cheeseboy> ..
[21:32] <Mark76> Oh.  You mean the printing thing
[21:33] <Mark76> Sorry, no
[21:34] <Mark76> How long has Yahoo Messenger been overrun by spambots?
[21:43] <Mark76> I've just spent the last 12 hours reinstalling Ubuntu sequentially from Breezy Badger onwards
[21:44] <Mark76> I can't begin to tell you how much fun that wasn't
[21:46] <TheSheep> going down the memory lane?
[21:48] <Mark76> No, I foolishly believed TuxCrafter when he said it was okay to remove Network Manager, TheSheep
[21:49] <TheSheep> it's ok if you know what you're doing :)
[21:49] <Mark76> Which I didn't
[21:49] <TheSheep> Mark76: but why didn't you just install gutsy?
[21:49] <Mark76> So I lost my internet access
[21:50] <Mark76> And I had to install Breezy because I'd lent my Gutsy CD to a friend
[21:50] <TheSheep> you could have booted livecd and asked us how to fix it :(
[21:50] <TheSheep> it's like 10 minutes
[21:52] <Mark76> I did ask in the main channel
[21:52] <Mark76> They pointed me to unetbootin
[21:52] <Mark76> Which I figured out afer much weeping and gnashing of teeth
[21:52] <TheSheep> you could just chroot from the livecd to your installation on disk and install the nm back
[21:53] <Mark76> Breezy was never issued as a live CD, TheSheep
[21:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: you don't need graphical desktop
[21:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can just boot the nstaller and switch to second console with alt+f2
[21:54] <Mark76> See, I never knew that
[21:54] <TheSheep> for the furture:
[21:55] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[21:55] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[21:55] <Mark76> Anyway, I'm back up to date now
[21:55] <TheSheep> :)
[21:55] <TheSheep> Mark76: I'm kind of astonished you did all that work
[21:55] <Mark76> Well, I will be as soon as I've got compiz working and xubuntu reinstalled
[21:56] <TheSheep> Mark76: I'd probably just call that friend to get the cd back :)
[21:56] <Mark76> I was up till gone 5 this morning Sheepy
[21:59] <Mark76> Can I ask you a non Ubuntu/Linux related question?
[22:00] <TheSheep> Mark76: sure, come to -offtopic or /msg me
[22:01] <Mark76> How do I get to offtopic?
[22:01] <TheSheep>  /j #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <massctrl> hello how can I prevent the volumes from showing up on my desktop ?
[23:01] <DaBeowulf> :D I just ran the live CD xubuntu-7.10-i386 on the system of my aunt which only has 192MB of RAM.
[23:02] <TheSheep> massctrl: there should be options for that in desktop settings
[23:02] <DaBeowulf> It worked albeit very slowly and the top and bottom panel only showed up after Ctrl+Alt+F1, killing the X process and having it start again..
[23:03] <massctrl> hmyeah, but it's more than that, ... it's also showing up in thunar,.. everytime it sees a volume it tries to automount it I guess,...
[23:03] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: yes, xfce4-panel sometimes doesn't start on low memory, I guess the yare working on it
[23:03] <massctrl> it's this automounting for my 2 local (windows)datapartitions i want to turn off
[23:03] <DaBeowulf> Okay we used the reset button to reboot, though :P
[23:04] <TheSheep> massctrl: you can turn off outomounting in thunar (edit->preferences->advanced->configure volume manager)
[23:04] <DaBeowulf> Oh and that system has just 450MHz as well. xD
[23:05] <TheSheep> but that just makes it slow
[23:05] <DaBeowulf> Should it run fine once installed and maybe 64 to 128 additional MB of RAM has been added?
[23:05] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you ran it as livecd?
[23:05] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: crazy! :)
[23:05] <DaBeowulf> Yes.
[23:06] <DaBeowulf> I was amazed it worked.
[23:06] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: it will definitely run much better after it's installed
[23:06] <DaBeowulf> Since you state it needs 386 MB
[23:07] <DaBeowulf> er 384 most likely :P
[23:07] <homebrewcider> sorry guys,I'm a bit of a dummy when it comes to this, but I'm looking at getting a dual core system, will Xubuntu 7.10 utilise both?
[23:10] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: it depends on the applications, but yes, if you run several apps, they will be spread between the cores
[23:10] <massctrl> TheSheep ok I think i've found it, ... thanks
[23:11] <DaBeowulf> "You will need at least 128MB of RAM to install from this CD." Hmm where did I get the idea it needed much more from?
[23:11] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: it changes from version to version
[23:11] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: feisty required 192MB
[23:12] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: I always use alternate cd anyways
[23:12] <DaBeowulf> In how far differs the OEM option btw?
[23:12] <homebrewcider> ok, also
[23:13] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: I think it just runs teh configuration at first boot instead of at install
[23:26] <hdevalence> hey, where can I get a hold of an xubuntu svg
[23:30] <massctrl> how can I prevent the automatic mounting of partitions on my harddisk which belong to another os?
[23:31] <TheSheep> hdevalence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Dapper/Logo
[23:31] <TheSheep> massctrl: didn't I already tell you?
[23:31] <DaBeowulf> Ew, will the Teledat 220 PCI card (for ISDN) work under Xubuntu to connect to the net?
[23:31] <massctrl> TheSheep: hm no that's about showing mounted volumes on the desktop
[23:32] <TheSheep> massctrl: open thunar, go to edit->preferences->advanced->configure volume manager
[23:32] <TheSheep> massctrl: there you have options for automounting
[23:32] <massctrl> TheSheep: it's all turned off
[23:33] <massctrl> and yet the volumes still show up
[23:33] <TheSheep> then they shouldn't get automounted
[23:33] <homebrewcider> pc I'm looking at getting gigabyte m52s-s3p motherboard, can't find it on compatability list, what do you reckon? good bad?
[23:33] <TheSheep> you can also check fstab
[23:33] <TheSheep> !fstab | massctrl
[23:33] <ubotu> massctrl: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[23:33] <DaBeowulf> I executed pppoe-conf on her machine and it didn't detect any Ethernet card automatically, so this has me worried.
[23:34] <massctrl> TheSheep: darn my god, ... it's becoming too late i guess
[23:34] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: does ifconfig -a list it?
[23:34] <massctrl> I really should have known that
[23:34] <TheSheep> massctrl: that's what we are here for :)
[23:35] <DaBeowulf> I can't say now.. but I'll note it down for when my research turns up blank.
[23:35] <massctrl> heh yeah
[23:35] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: another think that sometimes works is trying to modprobe all the kernel modules for network
[23:36] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: if they don't require additional options, one of them should work
[23:36] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: then you can add it to /etc/modules or something
[23:36] <massctrl> thanks all
[23:40] <homebrewcider> anyone know of a bigger compatability list than the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[23:41] <homebrewcider> want to know if I'm checking the best one to check