[10:41] <ii> Anyone around to help?
[10:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ask
[10:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:42] <ii> OK, I've already been around a couple of days ago...
[10:42] <ii> Speaking to sbalnaev, ogra ...
[10:42] <ii> Had a problem mounting USB flash drives on thin-clients...
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. i probably cant help with that
[10:43] <ii> Got it working finally - but afterwards found that it only works on ONE client at a time ....
[10:43] <ii> Who should I speak to?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hang around, hopefully who you spoke to a few days ago will get online
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are probably at UDS though
[10:46] <ii> Thanks for your time.
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries, good luck with the problem
[10:48] <ii> Kamping_Kaiser: While you're around, how about a question about disk quota management - do you know how to set this up?
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ii, no. as far as ubuntu goes, i'm stuck in the past - theres probably all sorts of cool and easy ways to set it up, which icant tell you
[10:51] <ii> OK
[12:34] <stgraber> RichEd: do we have the edubuntu specs on LP now ?
[13:06] <RichEd> stgraber: ogra has most of the edubuntu ones in ...
[13:06] <RichEd> i have the 1st classmate (planning session for the rest of the specs) in as well
[13:06] <RichEd> and then sorting out the education discussion specs now
[13:07] <stgraber> ok, I'll subscribe to some of them then
[13:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[13:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> sbalneav, hey mate
[13:39] <sbalneav> Hello Kamping_Kaiser!
[13:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sbalneav, :) hows it going?
[13:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i note your at UDS
[13:41] <sbalneav> I am!
[13:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> enjoying yourself?
[13:41] <sbalneav> So far.  We're in the "launchpad 101" right now with Keybuk.
[13:41] <ubotu> Bug 101 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/101 is private
[13:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[13:42] <sbalneav> I'm not really paying attention, as I'm fairly conversant with launchpad at this point :)
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[13:42]  * Kamping_Kaiser just spotted an email saying 'gobuntu today' - this causes me destinc lack of joy :(
[13:43] <sbalneav> How come?
[13:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm thinking about subbing myself to any specs that involve edubuntu/ubuntu server. see if i can get myself involved again this cycle
[13:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tue Oct 30 00:13:36 CST 2007
[13:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm meant to be in bed - 2 hours ago :|
[13:43] <sbalneav> lol
[13:43] <sbalneav> No rest for the wicked :)
[13:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[13:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll be buggered at work tomorrow - oh well, suppose tis to be expected
[13:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate. enjoy UDS
[14:47] <bddebian> Heya
[14:52] <silentmind> I work in a school that has an ancient IT suite, a dozen or so PC's running win98 and they are all networked via a router. my question is, how difficult would it be to get edubuntu working on them with network support?
[14:53] <silentmind> if I just boot them all off the live CD, will they be able to "see" each other and access the internet?
[14:53] <HenriqueGogo> please, I want a help: how I install files in my Plam by GNOME-PILOT? (I can syncronize my to do list and address.. but I dont know how I install *.prc or *.pdb br GNOME-PILOT)... please, some help!
[14:54] <silentmind> HenriqueGogo,  just drag the *.prc on to the gnome pilot icon then sync as usual, works for me
[14:56] <sbalneav> RichEd: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/
[14:56] <HenriqueGogo> silentmind: I tried this, but doesnt work
[14:59] <silentmind> HenriqueGogo, sorry but i dot know what else to suggest
[16:50] <flint_> RichEd, url or gobby session are you placing the classmate specification in?
[16:51] <RichEd> will be on a wiki page ... in my notepad now ... will publish after lunch ... prolly around 3:00
[16:51] <flint_> RichEd, thanks
[16:57] <Amaranth> http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12355_22-172164.html
[16:57] <flint_> I just do not use the "zed" word, so sorry...
[18:08] <LaserJock> hi all
[18:09] <Burgundavia> hey LaserJock
[18:10] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you in Boston?
[18:12] <desertc> Anyone here from the education profession?
[18:14] <cliebow__> me..
[18:28] <richard__> anyone on to help me troubleshoot an issue i'm having?
[18:29] <flint_> richard__, what kind of issue are you involved with?
[18:30] <richard__> ltsp
[18:30] <richard__> clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
[18:31] <desertc> Anyone else an educator?  Seemed to have lost contact with cliebow
[18:32] <Burgundavia> yep
[18:37] <LaserJock> haha, I hear Scotty!!
[18:37] <LaserJock> and Oli
[18:47] <LaserJock> stgraber: so what's the consensus?
[18:47] <stgraber> LTSP will be on ubuntu alternate (with a ltsp kernel), then all the education softwares will be on the add-on cd
[18:48] <LaserJock> so dropping the first CD?
[18:48] <stgraber> yes, edubuntu being something you add on top of the ubuntu alternate/desktop cd
[18:49] <LaserJock> stgraber: tell everybody hello
[18:53] <richard__> clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
[18:53] <richard__> processes for that user continue to run
[18:56] <LaserJock> RichEd: ping
[18:56] <stgraber> LaserJock: done
[18:56] <stgraber> LaserJock: he's talking with cjwatson :)
[18:57] <LaserJock> k
[18:57] <RichEd> LaserJock: p0nG
[19:06] <highvoltage> howzit guys
[19:07] <richard__> sucky
[19:07] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[19:08] <highvoltage> richard, cant scroll up on this device, so cant read your whole problem
[19:08] <highvoltage> richard, but what i have done in labs before...
[19:09] <richard__> clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
[19:09] <highvoltage> is to install slay and add it to the logout scripts
[19:09] <richard__> processes for that user continue to run so when they log in they get a black screen
[19:09] <highvoltage> slay kills all the processes of the user its running as ans then itself
[19:13] <richard__> sbalneav, you are here just in time
[19:13] <richard__> can you help me with a problem i'm having?
[19:13] <richard__> clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
[19:14] <richard__> processes for that user continue to run so when they log in they get a black screen
[19:14] <richard__> .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.ca/754016
[19:42] <richard__> sbalneav, any idea on above issue?
[19:42] <sbalneav> Sorry, didn't see it
[19:42] <sbalneav> Can you repeat?
[19:42] <richard__> clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
[19:43] <richard__> processes for that user continue to run so when they log in they get a black screen
[19:43] <richard__> .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.ca/754016
[19:50] <sbalneav> richard__: Well, if you're not logging out properly, you'll have to do a pkill -u userid to clean out the old processes.
[19:51] <sbalneav> Using moquists's xterminator would help too.
[19:51] <richard__> hmm... is there a way to have that run automatically when someone tries to log in with the same username?
[19:56] <sbalneav> Yes, that's the idea of it.
[19:56] <sbalneav> moquist: ping
[19:57] <sbalneav> richard__: keep an eye for moquist, he can help you with it.
[19:57] <moquist> pongo
[19:57] <dtrask> He's coming
[19:57] <moquist> I'm talking with sonja, but I'll keep an eye on here...
[19:57] <LaserJock> hi moquist and dtrask
[19:57] <moquist> hey
[19:57] <dtrask> hey LaserJock
[19:57] <dtrask> :-)
[19:58] <sbalneav> moquist: If you can point richard__ at xterminator
[19:59] <dtrask> hang on....
[19:59]  * moquist will have to google to find the URL for his own PPA ;)
[19:59] <moquist> sonja has it. :)
[20:00] <moquist> richard__: add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty universe
[20:00] <moquist> richard__: then apt-get install xterminator
[20:00] <moquist> that's it
[20:00] <richard__> moquist, on server? what does this do?
[20:01] <LaserJock> richard__: it kills the left over processes
[20:01] <LaserJock> ogra!
[20:02] <ogra> hey
[20:02] <richard__> so do i install it on the server?
[20:02] <richard__> or in the chroot?
[20:02] <LaserJock> I think the server
[20:04] <richard__> so this kills the left over processes when? is it when a hard reboot is done or is it upon login?
[20:04] <richard__> moquist, do i install this on the server or in the chroot?
[20:05] <LaserJock> richard__: it kills the processes on logout I believe
[20:05] <LaserJock> it should be on the server
[20:05] <richard__> oh then it won't help me because the issue is when the client doesn't log out properly...
[20:05] <LaserJock> because when the client is shut down it's processes are killed for sure
[20:05] <LaserJock> richard__: I think it'll still work
[20:06] <richard__> ok i'll try it now
[20:06] <LaserJock> it may be at login, I can't remember
[20:06] <LaserJock> but people where having similar issues
[20:06] <LaserJock> and moquist's app seemed to work well for them
[20:07] <richard__> is there anything to configure?
[20:07] <LaserJock> no
[20:08] <richard_> future reference don't type xterminator --help
[20:09] <dtrask> Oops
[20:10] <dtrask> Is that why you disappeared?
[20:10] <dtrask> LOL
[20:10] <dtrask> whoops!
[20:10] <richard_> yeah lol
[20:10] <richard_> that won't happen again
[20:10] <dtrask> moquist is laughing....because he feels bad and realized what happened
[20:10] <dtrask> no config....just install....it does the rest
[20:11] <dtrask> can't remember the file, but you can edit and cut the amount of delay down from a default of 8 seconds to something lower like 4 secs or less.
[20:11] <dtrask> will speed up login time
[20:11] <dtrask> not boot time
[20:12] <richard_> dtrask, and what exactly does this do?
[20:12] <dtrask> in a nutshell....looks at who you are (logging in)...looks for older processes from previous session and KILLS them
[20:13] <richard_> that rocks!
[20:13] <dtrask> thus no more hanging processes
[20:13] <dtrask> wheee!
[20:13] <richard_> ogra, is this xterminator going to be included in future edubuntu releases? this will save my life. (almost)
[20:13] <dtrask> If you read the script...it's quite humourous....it's essentially the murder of an entire family  ;-)
[20:13] <richard_> moquist, worked awesome!!!!
[20:14] <moquist> richard_: great!
[20:14] <moquist> richard_: sorry about the --help bug ;)
[20:14] <dtrask> moquist is actually giddy with excitement and can hardly contain himself
[20:14] <richard_> that's fine as long as it works i'm good!
[20:15] <richard_> this should definitely be included with ltsp!
[20:17] <richard_> moquist, you should add an echo upon xterminator --help saying(don't play with the xterminator or you might find yourself dead, no configuration needed) ;)
[20:18] <LaserJock> haha
[20:28] <ogra> richard_, i dont think its appropriate for a default install, we'll rather fix the apps o not hang (which is already going on) ... but as a safety net we can have a package in univers
[20:28] <ogra> +e
[20:28] <richard_> ok.
[20:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping
[20:29] <ogra> moquist, so something else to train your packaging skills on ;)
[20:30] <LaserJock> indeed
[20:42] <moquist> ogra: I've always intended xterminator to go into universe
[20:43] <moquist> it's not ready yet, but it can be soon.
[20:43] <moquist> The package itself is ready, but the script needs some work...such as --help. :-D
[20:43] <ogra> moquist, would be good to have it in case the desktop team doesnt get everything fixed
[20:44] <richard_> ogra is there a way to set up local usb printer?
[20:44] <moquist> ogra: it's targetted for hardy ;)
[20:44] <ogra> (indeed its importnt that enough people test during hardy development and give feedback to them)
[20:44] <moquist> richard_: local to a thin client?
[20:44] <richard_> yes
[20:44]  * moquist bows out, having obtained that clarification
[20:45] <moquist> richard_: I don't think so, but I'm not an authority on the subject. sbalneav, ogra ?
[20:45] <ogra> plug it in, add PRINTER_0_DEVICE   = /dev/usblp0 to your lts.conf
[20:45] <moquist> richard_: See? :)
[20:46] <ogra> then just point the setup to to the client ip (shown on the clients login manager (bottom right)) as jetdirect priter
[20:46] <ogra> s/setup/pinter setup tool/
[20:46] <ogra> *printer :)
[20:47] <richard_> ok i'll try that
[20:48] <richard_> I also have a client that the mouse randomly starts going really slow (usb mouse) any ideas what to look at on it?
[20:49] <ogra> hmm, not really ...
[20:49] <ogra> dmesg on the client in a console might probably reveal something
[21:28] <ii> sbalnaev: ogra: I'm back again (Edubuntu Gutsy server with local devices connection problems).  Thanks for your efforts last time - managed to get it working in the end with your help but ...
[21:28] <ii> ... I didn't realise until later that only ONE client at a time gets access to it's local devices ... this is not dependent upon a specific client or a specific user, but rather whoever logs in first from whatever client has access to local devices - the rest don't.
[21:29] <ii> I've even tried a fresh install WITHOUT playing around with any of the default user accounts (except to add two new users) and I still had exactly the same problem
[21:30] <ii> If it helps at all, then I've noticed that CPU usage on the server remains at close to 100% after the second client has logged on.
[22:47] <bdoin> we have a problem with missing translation with GCompris on Gutsy. It's like the gcompris.mo doesn't get installed.
[22:48] <LaserJock> :/
[23:28] <coolio> can anyone recommend a good school management system