[00:15] <coreymon77> whats merging?
[00:19] <Daskreech> the dark side and the rebel forces?
[00:19] <coreymon77> aha
[00:19] <coreymon77> now whats it reallu
[00:20] <coreymon77> really*
[00:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: yay, I was sleeping, sowwy
[00:38] <Daskreech> hi Nightrose
[00:38] <Daskreech> Tm_T: Umm who?
[00:38] <Nightrose> hey Daskreech ;-) wasup?
[00:39] <Daskreech> Nightrose: how are you? I grabbed your PDf for the presentations
[00:39] <Daskreech>  nice lolcat
[00:39] <Nightrose> hehe I'm fine - just upgraded to gutsy
[00:39] <Tm_T> Daskreech: just some random idlers without any apparent (good) purpose
[00:39] <Nightrose> you?
[00:39] <coreymon77> i upgraded to gutsy last week
[00:39] <coreymon77> and now have leopard too!
[00:39] <coreymon77> im happy
[00:40] <Daskreech> a big cat!
[00:40] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:40] <coreymon77> Daskreech: no, mac os
[00:40] <uga> coreymon77: I feel so sorry for you
[00:40] <coreymon77> uga: why?
[00:41] <uga> coreymon77: cus I care about you, and I can't see you suffering so much, trapped under so much crap osx
[00:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw staff is contacted in this idly matter, I've seen those everywhere so who knows how wide issue it really turns out to be :(
[00:41] <coreymon77> uga: i have kubuntu too
[00:41] <coreymon77> uga: its my laptop
[00:41] <coreymon77> uga: and i like osx
[00:41] <coreymon77> uga: i like kubuntu too
[00:42] <uga> coreymon77: yeah well. I hope you manage to get rid of osx soon
[00:42] <coreymon77> uga: why?
[00:42] <uga> best wishes
[00:42] <uga> =)
[00:42] <coreymon77> uga: i take it you dont like apple much
[00:42] <uga> coreymon77: it's so complex thing to use ;)
[00:42] <Daskreech> Ha ha
[00:43] <coreymon77> uga: meh?
[00:43] <coreymon77> :S
[00:43] <uga> one day I'll repeat the story of uga using osx... and you'll find out it's HARD
[00:43] <uga> but not now, it's late =)
[00:43] <uga> gnight all
[00:43] <coreymon77> its not hard for me
[00:44] <coreymon77> w/e
[00:44] <Daskreech> haha :)
[00:44] <coreymon77> Daskreech: im confused...
[00:50] <Daskreech> I tihnk that may be the pooiint
[00:50] <coreymon77> ...
[01:24]  * Jucato yawns and stretches....
[01:25]  * Daskreech avoids the vortex
[01:25] <Jucato> :)
[01:26] <coreymon77> Jucato: good morning
[01:26] <Jucato> morning/evening
[01:26] <Jucato> good
[01:27] <coreymon77> Jucato: its night here
[01:27] <coreymon77> Jucato: but its morning for you, isnt it?
[01:27] <Jucato> yep
[02:22] <seele> finally home.. so tired..
[02:23] <Jucato> hi seele! how was the fosscamp?
[02:24] <seele> Jucato: great.. particularly getting to review ubiquity with all the maintainers
[02:24] <seele> (or most of them)
[02:24] <Jucato> oh :)
[02:24] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, just to let you know kde4 beta4 was tagged on october 26
[02:25] <coreymon77> Jucato: i have leopard now!
[02:25] <Jucato> how is it?
[02:25] <coreymon77> :D
[02:25] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: Riddel probably knows already. but he's also probably quite busy, this week being UDS
[02:25] <coreymon77> if thats any indication
[02:26] <Jucato> hehehe
[02:26] <coreymon77> oh
[02:26] <coreymon77> and funniest thing
[02:26] <CPrgmSwR2> coreymon77: how is leopard
[02:26] <coreymon77> for the new finder
[02:26] <coreymon77> and its new icons
[02:26] <coreymon77> they have a brand new icon for windows shares
[02:26] <coreymon77> which is this
[02:26] <coreymon77> this is the icon for windows servers/shares on the network
[02:26] <coreymon77> i swear
[02:26] <coreymon77> http://babygotmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pcicon.png
[02:27] <yuriy> lol
[02:27] <Jucato> lol
[02:27] <coreymon77> thats the actual icon!
[02:27] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[02:28] <coreymon77> while the mac/linux share icon is a nice flat screen monitor with the apple background
[02:28] <coreymon77> and the new finder has cover flow view
[02:28] <coreymon77> which is basically the same as the new ipods
[02:28] <CPrgmSwR2> With the release of Vista, Leopard is going to kick its ass
[02:29] <coreymon77> look at the guided tour on apples website
[02:30] <coreymon77> http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/
[02:31] <CPrgmSwR2> I am all excited about kde4
[02:31] <coreymon77> me too
[02:31] <coreymon77> anyways shower time
[02:31] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[02:40] <yuriy> i'm looking at the KubuntuExtras page, aren't k3b, katapult, and ktorrent already included by default?
[02:40] <Jucato> just goes to show how much our users are aware of our default packages :)
[02:40] <yuriy> i'm tempted to edit the page and just take them off the list, but then i bet somebody will come by and put them on again
[02:41] <Jucato> yuriy: you could just note at the bottom :)
[02:41] <Jucato> separate them I mean
[02:42] <yuriy> and knotes..
[03:04] <jjesse_>  /msg nickserv identify founders01
[03:05] <CPrgmSwR2> jjesse: I suggest you change your password
[03:05] <CPrgmSwR2> it was broadcasted to this channel
[03:29] <nixternal> mzungu: well, your idea took off it seems, with just a few shying away from the original path...but overall a decent turnout of applications
[03:36] <nixternal> jjesse: I take it you saw what was said to you above? I will ghost ya if you didn't :)
[03:36] <jjesse> about me being stupid
[03:36] <jjesse> yeah i saw that
[03:36] <nixternal> heh
[03:36] <jjesse> my roomate and i are laughing at you
[03:37] <nixternal> I hear you and mario are roomies
[03:37] <nixternal> hehe
[03:37] <nixternal> ya, tell that wanna-be chicago boy to hush :)
[03:37] <nixternal> jeesh, I have you both in different channels yacking at me :p
[03:38] <CPrgmSwR2> is there going to be a replacement soon to qtpart?
[03:38] <CPrgmSwR2> or qtparted
[03:38] <CPrgmSwR2> Because the kubuntu partitioner program needs help
[03:38] <nixternal> heh, I had a smart arse comment for that one, but I left it alone
[03:38] <nixternal> CPrgmSwR2: so does the Ubuntu one
[03:39] <CPrgmSwR2> couldn't reisist?
[03:39] <nixternal> they both fail hardcore if you ask me...heck, I was even confused
[03:39] <stdin> both are just frontends to parted as far as I know
[03:39] <nixternal> especially since the drop down widget for mount, is empty, so you have to type it in
[03:39] <coreymon77> Jucato: you still around?
[03:39] <CPrgmSwR2> I think thats an area that needs help
[03:39] <jjesse> kubuntu-extras?
[03:39] <jjesse> are you writing that/
[03:39] <nixternal> jjesse: yes
[03:40] <jjesse> grin :)
[03:40] <nixternal> of course you can always throw in some goodness as well
[03:40] <nixternal> it is easier to document the hot apps than it is to get them on a CD
[03:40] <jjesse> agreed, subscribed
[03:40] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuExtras
[03:41] <jjesse> saw it on your blog via planet
[03:41] <nixternal> I blogged to have people add to the list, and I will document all of those apps eventually
[03:41] <nixternal> ya
[03:41] <nixternal> jjesse: be careful with that Mario character...that is all I have to say
[03:41] <nixternal> :p
[03:41] <nixternal> GO BOSTON!!!
[03:42] <nixternal> oh man, I bet Joey Standford is hating Boston this time of year :)
[03:43]  * Jucato_ waves to nixternal and jjesse
[03:43] <nixternal> wasabi homeskillet chicken flapper
[03:43] <jjesse> Jucato hello
[03:43] <nixternal> imbrandon: ^^ there is a new one!
[03:43] <Jucato_> O.o
[03:43] <nixternal> if you are familiar with the Jerky Boys, then you know where I get my inspiration :p
[03:44] <imbrandon> lol
[03:44] <Jucato_> jjesse: found a few wrong tags on the latest adeptguide.xml from your branch
[03:44] <Jucato_> nixternal: nope.. is that an american thing? :D
[03:44] <nixternal> Jucato_: that's because jjesse is a no0b at documenting :p
[03:44]  * nixternal ducks
[03:44] <Jucato_> lol
[03:44] <jjesse> grin
[03:44] <nixternal> Jucato_: that would be a New Jersey thing
[03:44]  * Jucato_ heads for the bomb shelter
[03:44] <jjesse> Jucato_: awseome
[03:44] <nixternal> and n8430fklakdk830 isn't here
[03:44] <jjesse> Jucato_: feel freee to change them and snd me either a diff or create your own branch
[03:45] <coreymon77> Jucato_:  you watched the leopard tour yet?
[03:45] <Jucato_> jjesse: already made a diff I think. lol
[03:45] <Jucato_> coreymon77: downloading it :)
[03:45] <jjesse> Jucato_: awseom, i'm heading to bed looks like busy day at UDS< but feel to contact me
[03:45] <Jucato_> oooh you're at UDS? lucky you :)O
[03:45] <Jucato_> :o)
[03:45] <Jucato_> (as mhb would say)
[03:45] <nixternal> and he is rooming with the mafia
[03:46] <Jucato_> :D
[03:46] <nixternal> with mario lemonsquare
[03:46] <nixternal> or mario mostaccioli
[03:46] <Jucato_> mario and luigi?
[03:46] <nixternal> the MythBuntu guy
[03:46] <nixternal> our famous Chicago LoCo'an
[03:46] <Jucato_> aaaah
[03:47] <Jucato_> LoCo'ist..
[03:47] <nixternal> that works
[03:47] <Jucato_> hahah
[03:47] <Jucato_> :D
[03:47] <nixternal> uh oh, chatzilla?
[03:47] <nixternal> DaSkreech_: you no0b, at least change the name man
[03:47] <Jucato_> lol
[03:47] <nixternal> hahaha, pwnd
[03:47] <Jucato_> bwahahah
[03:48] <DaSkreech_> Yeah
[03:48] <DaSkreech_> I'm in vista now
[03:48] <nixternal> that's almost as bad as DaSkreech_!n=mIRC@72.252.29.149
[03:48] <nixternal> you know, the entire time I had Windows running, I didn't see how much mIRC hasn't changed since the 90s :)
[03:48] <DaSkreech_> Well Chatzilla is open source so I fail to see how that's "as bad"
[03:49] <nixternal> mIRC isn't open source?
[03:49] <Jucato_> :D
[03:49] <Jucato_> x-chat on windows is available... for 30 days :D
[03:49] <DaSkreech_> Not last time I looked
[03:49] <nixternal> I thought mIRC was...shows you how long it has been...I just figured it was, and everyone was borrowing from it...nope, now I know they are all thieves
[03:50] <Jucato_> it's freeware
[03:50] <nixternal> man, I used to think mIRC was the best thing since sliced break baack in the day...back when BitchX was the champ
[03:50] <DaSkreech_> I hate sliced breaks
[03:50] <Jucato_> me too...mIRC was the only IRC client i knew back then
[03:50]  * Jucato_ likes sliced break
[03:51] <DaSkreech_> I wish they would give me all my breaks at once
[03:51] <DaSkreech_> This take a break. get back to business! take a break! get back to business!
[03:51] <DaSkreech_> Annnnnoying
[03:52] <nixternal> that was supposed to be sliced bread
[03:52] <nixternal> derr
[03:52] <Jucato_> :D
[03:53] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: I don't like sliced bread either
[03:53] <nixternal> I guess I will have to force you to like it
[03:53] <DaSkreech_> but I assumed that messing up a key alllllllllllllllll the way on the other side of the keyboard must be a mistake made on purpose :)
[03:54] <Jucato_> sliced bread is the 2nd most common/popular form of bread here :)
[03:54] <Jucato_> this would be the most popular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_de_sal
[03:54] <DaSkreech_> Is it sliced?
[03:54] <Jucato_> yeah
[03:55] <DaSkreech_> So it's the most popular
[03:55] <Jucato_> wait? the pan de sal or the sliced bread? the sliced bread is sliced of course :)
[03:56] <DaSkreech_> the pan de sal
[03:56] <Jucato_> ah no, it isn't sliced
[03:56]  * Jucato_ wonders what else to try out in opensuse10.3
[03:56] <DaSkreech_> There you go it's not the best thing since sliced bread
[03:57] <DaSkreech_>  sliced bread ain't that great :)
[03:57] <imbrandon> you got a knife, you got bread, just slice the damn thing -- George Carlin
[03:59] <DaSkreech_> there we go :)
[03:59] <DaSkreech_> I normally get my bread direct from a bakery anyway
[04:09] <Jucato_> !nickspam | RobotniK
[04:09] <Ubotwo> RobotniK: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[04:10] <Jucato_> :P
[04:10] <RobotniK> How is that nickspam?
[04:10] <ubotu> RobotniK: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[04:10] <Jucato_> lol 2x :D
[04:10] <RobotniK> I'm not in any chan remotely busy
[04:10] <Jucato_> j/k :D
[04:12] <nixternal> you aren't joking...just kde and here
[04:12] <Jucato_> unless he's +i :D
[04:22] <RobotniK> Jucato__: Umm Ok
[04:23] <nixternal> http://tinyurl.com/2nk4tr
[04:23] <RobotniK> Jucato: What have you played with in 10.3 ?
[04:24] <Jucato_> nothing much yet...
[04:24] <RobotniK> and you have run out of stuff to look for?
[04:25] <Jucato_> I'm not even sure where to start :)
[04:28] <nixternal> the power button!
[04:28] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:28] <RobotniK> no the power cord
[04:29] <RobotniK>  nixternal  == fail
[04:29] <dasKreech> So nixternal up for the release notes chat?
[04:29] <nixternal> go for it
[04:30]  * Jucato_ is already on 10.3...
[04:30] <dasKreech> So we seem likely to ask if the user wants to keep KDE 3 or if they want to dump it
[04:30] <dasKreech> I'm thinking that the user will most likely have no clue what that implies to them
[04:31] <dasKreech>  I'm sure even people following KDE4 from a distance are not going to know what that means
[04:31] <dasKreech>  so we need relelase notes for them to read through before that and either short enough that they don't skip it or attractive enough that they are interested in reading it
[04:32] <nixternal> well, here is what I believe is going to happen...
[04:32] <nixternal> we are going to have a live cd for kde 4 on gutsy, hardy will have kde4 in the repos, but would install just like it always has, along side of kde 3
[04:32] <nixternal> and hardy +1 would be kde 4 only
[04:33] <nixternal> I believe with Hardy +1 being an LTS, we don't want to offer KDE 4.0 as an alternative right away, as it will really be nothing more than a 4.1, or a true KDE 4 pre-release
[04:33] <dasKreech> right hardy+1 is my target distro
[04:33] <dasKreech> hardy +1 is LTS as well?
[04:33] <dasKreech> crap
[04:34] <Jucato> I think he made a typo :)
[04:34] <dasKreech> :)
[04:34] <dasKreech> does that mean I can't make him pay for it ?
[04:34] <nixternal> ya, I made a typo
[04:35] <nixternal> now when it comes time to dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, it would be at that time where we would need to have information, depending on how we go about doing so
[04:35] <dasKreech> nixternal: I don't think we want 4.0 as mainstream either
[04:35] <dasKreech> nixternal: right so same page
[04:35] <nixternal> more than likely, we may follow debian a bit, as they are now installing kde4 along side of kde3
[04:36] <dasKreech> but you get why I'm looking at it now?
[04:36] <nixternal> which has been pretty interesting to watch...learning quite a bit from that one
[04:36] <Jucato> like what I said last night or the other day, we somehow will have the advantage of hindsight when it comes to migrating from kde3 to 4.
[04:36] <Jucato> we can watch while others trip and fall and scramble to be the earliest to have KDE4 by default :)
[04:36] <nixternal> yup
[04:36]  * Jucato is sooo evil :D
[04:36] <nixternal> and I love it :)
[04:37] <Jucato> hahah
[04:37] <dasKreech> :-)
[04:37] <dasKreech>  Yeah but again outside of Debian no one else really does upgrades
[04:38]  * Jucato_ will just play with suse later..
[04:38] <nixternal> heh
[04:38] <dasKreech> all other "desktop linuces" are RPM and not really versed at release -> release upgrades
[04:39] <dasKreech> So most users will be doing clean installs
[04:39] <dasKreech> which means we better learn a crap load from Debian :-)
[04:39] <dasKreech> just for the upgrade cycle
[04:39] <Jucato> which means we need a spec for this, and a meeting soon...
[04:39] <Jucato> which would mean after UDS
[04:40] <dasKreech> but it still doesn't help with the one section I'm looking at which is how do we inform users prior to upgrade?
[04:40] <Jucato> which means...
[04:40] <coreymon77> Jucato: only debian based distros dist-upgrade?
[04:40] <Jucato> only Debian has an apt-get dist-upgrade command
[04:40] <Jucato> j/k
[04:40] <Jucato> don't ask me, it wasn't my statement
 Yeah but again outside of Debian no one else really does upgrades
[04:40] <yuriy> red hat has a release update function i think..
[04:41] <dasKreech> have you ever seen people do upgrades from one version of mandriva to another?
[04:41] <Jucato> most distros do
[04:41] <dasKreech> I ran it for a long while and I never even attempted to try it
[04:41] <dasKreech> I always did a re-install
[04:41] <Jucato> for a time, Ubuntu (specifically Kubuntu actually) was notorious for that too
[04:42] <dasKreech> I went to install the latest Fedora 8 Cd and asked if I could upgrade to the final relelase of Fedora 8 when it came out and was told no better just reinstall
[04:42] <dasKreech> that's from the testing Cd of Fedora 8 to final
[04:42] <dasKreech> ...
[04:42] <Jucato> hang around #kubuntu during the first two or three days before and after a new release, and you'll see people's comments
[04:42] <dasKreech> Yeah but people actually attempt it in k/ubuntu and are annoyed when it fails
[04:43] <dasKreech> most other distros you are annoyed you even bothered to try in the first place
[04:43] <Jucato> most?
[04:43] <CPrgmSwR2> interesting conversation
[04:43] <dasKreech> desktop distros :)
[04:43] <dasKreech> CPrgmSwR2: Gentoo doesn't count :-P
[04:44] <Jucato> you've only mentioned 2 so far
[04:44] <dasKreech> Fedora/ opensuse / mandriva are the other desktop distros to watch
[04:45] <dasKreech> Got any others that people are watching to see how KDE4 turns out?
[04:45]  * Jucato dubs nixternal as the kuickie guy :)
[04:45] <Jucato> Ark Linux
[04:45] <nixternal> huh?
[04:45] <Jucato> kuickie = quickies
[04:45] <nixternal> still lost
[04:45] <CPrgmSwR2> PCLinuxOS
[04:45] <Jucato> and I don't think it's fair not to consider Gentoo
[04:45] <nixternal> oh you just swore!
[04:45] <Jucato> nixternal: the Dot
[04:46] <nixternal> oh
[04:46] <Jucato> memory failing? :D
[04:46] <dasKreech> i don't really consider gentoo cause gentoo has yearly relelases and it's very much roll your own
[04:46] <dasKreech> It is what you make of it
[04:46] <CPrgmSwR2> gentoo is constantly updating though
[04:47] <Jucato> so you don't consider Gentoo because it contradicts your statement of "only debian upgrades to new releases"?
[04:47] <CPrgmSwR2> like there really isn't a version to gentoo
[04:47] <dasKreech> that's what I mean it's a rolling distro
[04:47] <dasKreech> What version is gentoo on?
[04:47] <Jucato> well they do have .0 and .1 releases
[04:47] <Jucato> 2007.1 I think
[04:47] <dasKreech> which contain?
[04:47] <CPrgmSwR2> 2007.0
[04:47] <Jucato> oh there .0
[04:47] <Jucato> which contains a release
[04:48] <CPrgmSwR2> as far as I can tell a release consist of updated packages to a stage3 install
[04:48] <dasKreech> Yeah but it's timed
[04:48] <Jucato> just because their release doesn't match Debian's concept of a release doesn't mean it can't be considered a release
[04:48] <Jucato> what? gentoo releases are timed as well
[04:48] <dasKreech> they have no agenda for the day other than that the clock flips to 12:00
[04:48] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[04:49] <dasKreech>  then they roll up whatever is there at that point and ship it
[04:49] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats true
[04:49] <Jucato> and what? that's wrong?
[04:50] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: not really since gentoo is mainly for the linux geeks
[04:50] <Jucato> that's not the point though
[04:50] <CPrgmSwR2> whats wrong with releasing whats there
[04:50] <Jucato> he's pretty much confined the concept of what a release is to what Debian does
[04:50] <CPrgmSwR2> I agree that is wrong
[04:51] <dasKreech> no
[04:51] <CPrgmSwR2> Look at enlightenment
[04:51] <Jucato> which is why he quantitatively excluded Gentoo
[04:51] <dasKreech> it's just not what gentoo does
[04:51] <CPrgmSwR2> its been in beta for what a century?
[04:51] <dasKreech> No
[04:52] <dasKreech> i'ts a century next year
[04:52] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[04:52] <dasKreech> Jucato: Gentoo has "releases" but they are not events
[04:52] <Jucato> O.o
[04:52] <Jucato> excuse me?
[04:53] <dasKreech>  no one gets excited about them no one waits for them to occur
[04:53] <Jucato> right...
[04:53] <dasKreech> They are a convienece they don't mark any way points other than X time has passed
[04:53] <Jucato> you speak for everyone right?
[04:53] <dasKreech> Everyone I know
[04:53] <Jucato> so now, for a release to be considered a release, there must be an event?
[04:53] <dasKreech> You know people who run gentoo who only update when a new Gentoo ships?
[04:53] <Jucato> everybody must be waiting in anticipation?
[04:54] <dasKreech> Jucato: that's what I'm defining it as
[04:54] <Jucato> lol
[04:54] <Jucato> you have got to be kidding me!
[04:54] <Jucato> I know people who update their Gentoo profiles once a new release has been announced
[04:54] <dasKreech> I am sort of :)
[04:55] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: but do you know of anyone that waits to update/pull in new packages between release?
[04:55] <dasKreech> but the people who only do updates once a new one is relelased are pretty much the kind of people who need more info about what is happening
[04:55] <nixternal> not true
[04:55] <dasKreech> nixternal: sub group
[04:55] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: no. but gentoo profiles act much differently from just plain package updates
[04:55] <nixternal> otherwise we wouldn't have Gentoo release parties like they have here in Chicago at UIC
[04:55] <CPrgmSwR2> oh okay
[04:55] <nixternal> which I was surprised to find out, a lot of people are using it here now
[04:55] <nixternal> which totally came out of left field for me
[04:56] <dasKreech> nixternal: I'm surprised there are parties :)
[04:56] <CPrgmSwR2> anyways I think it should ask you if you want to install kde4 beside kde3 or replace kde3
[04:56] <nixternal> one problem
[04:56] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: we were talking about that earlier before this whole release discussion...
[04:56] <dasKreech> I know folks here who swear by gentoo but the only thing a new release means to them is a base line
[04:56] <nixternal> who is going to write the app that converts all of your kde 3 settings to kde 4 settings?
[04:56] <Jucato> [12:32] <nixternal> well, here is what I believe is going to happen...
[04:56] <Jucato> [12:32] <nixternal> we are going to have a live cd for kde 4 on gutsy, hardy will have kde4 in the repos, but would install just like it always has, along side of kde 3
[04:56] <Jucato> [12:32] <nixternal> and hardy +1 would be kde 4 only
[04:56] <Jucato> [12:33] <nixternal> I believe with Hardy  being an LTS, we don't want to offer KDE 4.0 as an alternative right away, as it will really be nothing more than a 4.1, or a true KDE 4 pre-release
[04:56] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: ^^^
[04:57] <CPrgmSwR2> I thought kde4 was suppose to provide that
[04:57] <dasKreech> nixternal: I'm going on the assumption that will be partly solved by the KDE community in general
[04:57] <nixternal> me too, but not anytime soon that I would think
[04:57] <dasKreech> I'm more concerned about getting people the info as we move forward
[04:57] <nixternal> I am not concerned one bit
[04:57] <nixternal> we always give them the info
[04:58] <nixternal> and 99.9% of the time, we give them the correct info
[04:58] <dasKreech> nixternal: would it be possible to have a app in the hardy time period that delivers a countdown to a new release ?
[04:58] <Jucato> it's up to them to actually *read* it
[04:58] <dasKreech> Well duh it;spossible
[04:58] <dasKreech> would it be wise?
[04:58] <nixternal> dasKreech: use a website for a countdown :)
[04:58] <dasKreech> Yeah but how do we get someone  to read it
[04:58] <nixternal> and i can honestly tell you, not many people read the documentation
[04:58] <CPrgmSwR2> Okay so then the best approach is to have kde3 installed as default until kde 4.1 is release then install kde4 as default
[04:59] <nixternal> the only people who read it besides me, are the translators
[04:59] <Jucato> nixternal: I'm imagining for kde4 apps, settings in .kde4 should take precedence over .kde... if we'll still have that separation...
[04:59] <dasKreech> CPrgmSwR2: no that a terrible solution :)
[04:59] <CPrgmSwR2> why?
[04:59] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: *if* 4.1 is released before Kubuntu 8.10
[04:59] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[04:59] <Jucato> otherwise, we ship with whatever KDE 4 version is available by that time
[04:59] <dasKreech> nixternal: which is why I was thinking to make it attractive
[04:59] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: I agree
[04:59] <nixternal> we really need to see the direction that kde is going to take, before we start trying to plan something...if we plan on what we know now about kde 4, you can guarantee in 6+ months, it will have totally changed
[04:59] <dasKreech>  a nice screenshottie of KDE4 shoud work
[05:00] <dasKreech>  With nixternal posed as the wallpaper
[05:00] <nixternal> that would make people switch to gnome in a heartbeat
[05:00] <Jucato> nixternal: perfect opportunity to flex jcastro's muscles :)
[05:00] <nixternal> jcastro as muscles? :p
[05:00] <nixternal> he is probably wasted right now anyways :p
[05:00] <Jucato> well, we're basically all at a standstill for a week anyway...
[05:01] <Jucato> UDS...
[05:01] <nixternal> he will come on in a few hours after he notices the highlight and scream "WHISKEY MUSCLES!"
[05:01] <Jucato> hahaha
[05:01] <Jucato> oh crap rain again...
[05:01] <nixternal> has anyone heard if they are going to be doing the VoIP stuff?
[05:01] <Jucato> noope.... and it all starts  today :(
[05:01] <dasKreech> Jucato: you too?
[05:01] <nixternal> lovely
[05:02] <Jucato> raining cats and cats
[05:02] <dasKreech> been raining for nearly a full day now with forcastfox saying rain for the next 3 days :-(
[05:02] <nixternal> #uds-bostn
[05:02] <CPrgmSwR2> dasKreech: where are you located?
[05:02] <nixternal> add an o to that and you will be golden :)
[05:02] <dasKreech> south of nixternal  :)
[05:03] <Jucato> firefox is a weather fox now too?
[05:03] <dasKreech> Yep
[05:03] <dasKreech> Firefox is near an OS
[05:03] <nixternal> firefox is a garbagefox
[05:03] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[05:03] <dasKreech> not as good a one as Emacs but ... it's up there in memory usage
[05:04] <Jucato> hehe
[05:04] <Jucato> yeah.. .firefox is the emacs of browsers
[05:04] <Jucato> and on Windows, you can actually use it for file management too!
[05:05] <dasKreech> Yeah I try to have Firefox take over for as much crap as it can
[05:05]  * dasKreech hugs his chatzilla
[05:06] <Jucato> one thing I like about Opera's implementation of IRC is that you can have it in a separate tab.. part of the browser.. not like chatzilla
[05:06] <dasKreech> nixternal: so my two ideas on the matter is have a app possibly tied into into adept_updater that does a countdown to the new release. with all the cool stuff it will have and what that means for you the user
[05:07] <nixternal> for me the luser?
[05:07] <dasKreech>  the other is the upgrade tool pulls a set of release notes from the server We could have a short thing there that explains KDE4 before the user moves on
[05:07] <dasKreech>  that would mean that Ubuntu users would see it as well
[05:08] <nixternal> that is fine if Ubuntu users want to see it...KDE 4.1 will bring a lot of new users over anyways
[05:08] <dasKreech> since the server doesn't care what flavour of Ubuntu  you are running
[05:08] <dasKreech> Which is why I like the second one
[05:08] <dasKreech> however the relelase notes are plain text right?
[05:08] <nixternal> depends on how we present them
[05:08] <dasKreech>  so no pretty pics which means it has to be sparse for people to read it
[05:08] <nixternal> typically they are DocBook/XML, which I can export to whatever makes you happy :)
[05:09] <dasKreech> otherwise it's next next next .. ummm should I keep KDE? I thought I already had KDE? Umm next ?
[05:10] <nixternal> anyone have Gimp installed?
[05:10] <Jucato> on opensuse 10.3 by default :P
[05:10] <dasKreech> Sweet :)
[05:10] <nixternal> I can't launch it from Katapult in Gutsy again
[05:11] <Jucato> just installed it?
[05:11] <dasKreech> Bug?
[05:11] <nixternal> it has been installed forever
[05:11]  * nixternal grabs the source
[05:11] <Jucato> hm...
[05:11] <yuriy> given a robust migration tool, imho forcing a move to kde4 on dist-upgrade isn't entirely unreasonable either
[05:11] <Jucato> yuriy: the first part of the sentence is the problematic part :)
[05:11] <nixternal> not for mhb it isn't! he is superdev
[05:12] <dasKreech> yuriy: and there are apps that won't be KDE4ish the user may rely on
[05:12] <Jucato> oh mhb's going to blow his top off :)
[05:12]  * Jucato will wait for the official announcement before he makes any other remarks :)
[05:13] <dasKreech> of top blowing?
[05:16] <Jucato> hm...
[05:16] <nixternal> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/
[05:16] <nixternal> VoIP will be in effect
[05:16]  * Jucato is kinda annoyed at the "no desktop icons" and "no welcome/greeting popups/windows" limitations...
[05:17] <Jucato> cool
[05:17] <Jucato> now to learn how to connenct :)
[05:17] <dasKreech> We can't ahve a welcome popup?
[05:17]  * Jucato shrugs
[05:17] <nixternal> Jucato: KPhone
[05:18] <nixternal> then I am sure the admins will have to add you to the @canonical.com server so you can connect
[05:18] <Jucato> aaah um. nvm then :)
[05:18] <nixternal> once connected, you then just enter the sip/voip number and connect
[05:18] <nixternal> KPhone rocks!
[05:19] <Jucato> :D
[05:21] <Jucato> basically we are quite limited in how to present new release information to new users... we will have to rely on them either reading the release page or going to K Menu -> Help (which doesn't have nixternal's beautiful release notes anyway)
[05:21] <Jucato> does xubuntu have a day/session in UDS?
[05:29] <nixternal> shush
[05:29] <nixternal> more than likely not
[05:29] <Jucato> :(
[05:29] <Jucato> so we are lucky to get at least 1 :)
[05:30] <nixternal> Jucato: have you read the dot story I posted about Mandriva and Kubuntu?
[05:30] <nixternal> all of the comments?
[05:30] <Jucato> just now?
[05:31] <nixternal> no, couple of days ago
[05:31] <nixternal> there are a ton of really good comments actually about our positives and our negatives
[05:31] <Jucato> ah
[05:31] <Jucato> oh yes
[05:31] <nixternal> and the biggest negative, our artwork
[05:31] <Jucato> which is weird... but I dunno :)
[05:32] <Jucato> frankly I'd love a less black usplash though :)
[05:32]  * dasKreech would love no usplash
[05:32] <dasKreech> But hey
[05:32] <Jucato> actually I prefer the old usplash.... graphics + text
[05:33] <dasKreech> Yeah
[05:33] <dasKreech> I hate not having text
[05:33] <dasKreech> all my machines boot with text
[05:33] <nixternal> disable quiet, that's what I typically do
[05:33] <nixternal> although I haven't done it in a while
[05:34] <Jucato> nixternal: do that in gutsy have fun :)
[05:34] <nixternal> wow, I knew it would be long until people starting attacking the kernel modules
[05:35] <stdin> I was bored, so I wrote a header :p to save me some time when flexing my C++ muscles http://stdin.pastebin.us/42109 (wrote this in ~10mins so I don't expect it to be perfect, and I'm still a c++ noob)
[05:36] <nixternal> haha, love your TODO: "Add description here"
[05:36] <nixternal> signs of a true hacker
[05:36] <Jucato> crazy comments...
[05:36] <nixternal> to lazy to add a quick description, so I will make it a TODO :)
[05:36] <nixternal> TODOs are great in Eclipse by the way :)
[05:36] <Jucato> either you really are in love with // or you just don't want to use /* */ :D
[05:36] <stdin> well it should describe what it does, and I'll only remember if g++ makes me remember
[05:37] <stdin> Jucato: well my book said /* */ could be misinterpreted in some c++ compilers, so I just avoid them
[05:37] <Jucato> it would? O.o
[05:37] <dasKreech> How old is that book?
[05:37] <stdin> that's why my book says, and the guy knows more than me :p
[05:38] <Jucato> but what other C++ compilers would use other than gcc? :P
[05:38] <dasKreech> MSVC?
[05:38] <Jucato> is your book C++ ISO compliant?
[05:38] <stdin> dasKreech: 2004
[05:38] <Jucato> er... the C++ compiler thing was a rhetorical question...
[05:38] <Jucato> hm.must be ISO compliant then...
[05:38] <dasKreech> intel's CC
[05:38] <Jucato> hm.. "rhetorical question"...
[05:39] <stdin> well, I would only use gcc, but I can't guarantee others will ;)
[05:40] <Jucato> good afternoon Hobbsee!
[05:40] <stdin> I wrote it because I got tired of writing usage() and version() functions over and over...
[05:40] <Jucato> :)
[05:41] <Jucato> ah but it violates information hiding :)
[05:41] <Jucato> j/k
[05:41] <stdin> and I only found "getopt" today :p
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato!
[05:42] <stdin> (by looking at some coreutils apps)
[05:43] <Jucato> hm.. quite interesting that stroustrup himself uses /* ... */  at times..
[05:44] <stdin> I've found that just about everyone does, even in the gcc c++ headers. but I just like being different :p
[05:45] <Jucato> then use Ruby!
[05:45] <Jucato> j/k :P
[05:45] <stdin> hmm, how about I learn perl next :p
[05:45] <dasKreech> brainf8ck
[05:45] <Jucato> ah perl/bash is a must! :P
[10:37] <Mez> my alt+tab thing seems to have gone missing, anyone know how to get it back ?
[10:37] <Jucato> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts?
[10:38] <Mez> it still alt+tab's but doesnt show the lil "list" thing
[10:39] <Jucato> System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Show window list while switching windows
[10:39] <Mez> aha, thankies
[10:40] <Jucato> :)
[11:56] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee, hi jjesse
[11:56] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[11:56] <jjesse> afternoon Jucato
[11:56] <Jucato> evening :)
[11:56] <Jucato> jjesse: you at yoo dee ess?
[11:56] <Jucato> :D
[11:56] <jjesse> yes i am, heading to breakfast
[11:56] <Jucato> yay :)
[11:57] <Jucato> jjesse: at least you'll be sure to have a good internet connection there :D
[11:57] <jjesse> Jucato: you would be suprised, still using the hotel's internet, which isn't that great
[11:57] <Jucato> O.o
[11:57] <jjesse> yeah :(
[11:58] <Jucato> well, you go head for breakfast... I'm gonna get some chocolate and tea :)
[12:06] <jpatrick> well spotted Tm_T
[12:06] <Tm_T> jpatrick: I've been watching and hunting those for some days now =)
[12:07] <ryanakca> Umm... Anywhere that I have to put my name down as dibs for a merge (that way two people don't end up doing the same task, twice)?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which merge?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: usually you just notify the person listed
[12:08] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I haven't decided yet... that's why I was asking, to check if someone had already started it :)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:08] <Hobbsee> it depends
[12:11]  * ryanakca proposes an "update" to MoM, where people can assign themselves a maximum of 3 packages at any one time, the assigned packages "expire"/get unassigned after 24 hours (so that if you haven't touched it, it gives someone else the chance to take care of it), and the package gets unassigned once uploaded :) 
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[12:13]  * Hobbsee proposes taht MOM becomes free.
[12:14] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ah, it's still closed?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:14] <ryanakca> pitty
[12:15] <Jucato> pitti?
[12:15] <Jucato> :)
[12:15] <ryanakca> hehe :)
[12:15] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:16]  * ryanakca goes hunting for a debian sponsor so that he can get a fixed version of aoeui synced into Ubuntu
[12:16] <ryanakca> hey nixternal
[12:16] <nixternal> howdy
[12:16] <nixternal> dude, it is freezing
[12:16] <Jucato> that was some pretty quick hunting :)
[12:16] <Jucato> here too... 27.1 C
[12:16] <Jucato> :P
[12:16] <nixternal> oh ya, real cold
[12:17] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:17] <ryanakca> -26.6F here... not that cold though :)
[12:17] <ryanakca> Jucato: hehehe
[12:17] <nixternal> what?
[12:17] <nixternal> now that is freezing
[12:17] <ryanakca> oops
[12:17] <ryanakca> 26.6F
[12:17] <Jucato> heh we're a tropical country... anything below 29C is cold :)
[12:17] <Jucato> 80.7 F
[12:17] <nixternal> it is 30f here, or -1c
[12:18] <Jucato> I'll probably die of hypothermia there
[12:18]  * ryanakca thought -3C = -something in Farenheit (height?)
[12:18] <Jucato> weight?
[12:18]  * ryanakca hates temperature conversions and wished the americans would join the rest of the world in using Celsius
[12:19] <ryanakca> s/Celsius/Metric/
[12:25]  * Tm_T is waiting winter and -30 C temperatures
[12:28] <ryanakca> Tm_T: :)
[12:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: you have upload privileges to Debian yet?
[12:32] <nixternal> depends
[12:32] <Jucato> rdepends
[12:32] <nixternal> hehe
[12:32]  * Jucato whistles
[12:33] <nixternal> my knee is killing me this morning...need to cut it off to stop the pain
[12:33]  * Jucato_ pokes nixternal with Hobbsee's stick
[12:33] <Jucato_> hm... need help witht hat?
[12:33] <Jucato_> with that*
[12:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: hehe *is looking for someone to sponsor aoeui*
[12:35] <nixternal> that isn't me... mentors.debian.net?
[12:36] <nixternal> file and rfs and submit it to the mentors list at debian...only thing I can think of
[12:36] <nixternal> anyone maintaining that in debian currently?
[12:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: me :)
[12:39]  * ryanakca nods...
[12:56] <Riddell> yo jjesse
[12:56] <jjesse> yo Riddell
[12:56] <Riddell> put your hand in the air and wave
[12:56] <Jucato> hehe :)
[12:56] <Jucato> hi Riddell, hi jjesse (again)
[12:56] <jjesse> where you at?
[12:57] <Riddell> don't see any waving
[12:57] <jjesse> i'm sitting against the weel, white polo typing on a dell computer
[12:57] <jjesse> 3rd floor
[12:57] <Riddell> I'm in the large conference room
[12:57] <jjesse> ah heading in now
[12:57] <nixternal> I am waving, can you see me over here? :p
[12:57] <Jucato> bwahaha
[12:58] <nixternal> put your hands int he air, wave um around like you just don't care!
[12:58] <crimsun_> he's waving the vista flag.
[12:58] <nixternal> d'oh
[12:58] <nixternal> it's nice to see you come back with your witty one liners :)
[12:58] <Jucato> !visternal
[12:58] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[12:58] <Ubotwo> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[12:58] <nixternal> I am guessing no VoIP, and if there is, nobody knows about it
[12:58] <nixternal> I have room numbers, just no IP
[12:59] <nixternal> just got the Vo going
[12:59]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:59] <nixternal> hehe
[12:59] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: thanks was just about to ask that
[12:59] <nixternal> I can see you standing over there!
[12:59] <Tm_T> nixternal: can you see me?
[13:00] <nixternal> is that you mooning the crowd?
[13:01] <Tm_T> nixternal: no, I'm here beginning to cook some noodles
[13:01]  * ryanakca debates on dist-upgrading his gutsy schroot to Hardy or creating a new one and installing hardy on it...
[13:01] <ryanakca> !installhardy
[13:01] <ubotu> Every time you install hardy, Hobbsee pokes a kitten with the long pointy stick of doom!
[13:01] <nixternal> mmm food
[13:01] <nixternal> hahahahahhahaa
[13:01]  * ryanakca gives hobbsee a kitten
[13:01]  * nixternal warns ryanakca of the pain
[13:01] <Jucato> *meow*
[13:01] <Hobbsee> yay!  kitten!
[13:03] <nixternal> Hobbsee: http://tinyurl.com/2nk4tr
[13:04] <Jucato> freaky!
[13:04] <Jucato> freaKee
[13:05] <ryanakca> wow
[13:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe :)
[13:06] <ryanakca> eh, brb, I'm going to go shrink my /home volume/partition :)
[13:10] <nixternal> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-29/index.html
[13:10] <nixternal> voip info at the top under the room names
[13:10] <nixternal> there is a "listen only" which means you do not need an account
[13:10] <nixternal> use KPhone, and connect to #@canonical.com
[13:10] <nixternal> ie. 5101@canonical.com for roof Luscomb (which is dead quiet right now)
[13:11] <ScottK2> Hello nixternal.
[13:11] <nixternal> howdy ScottK2
[13:13] <Jucato> nixternal: those are actual instructions?
[13:14] <nixternal> from me, yes :)
[13:14] <nixternal> s/roof/room of course
[13:14]  * Jucato wonders why they'd be on the roof :P
[13:16] <nixternal> because the Red Sox fans are probably rioting this morning in Boston since they won the World Series last night
[13:16] <Jucato> @time Boston
[13:16] <Jucato> er...
[13:16] <nixternal> 9:16am
[13:16] <nixternal> @time EST
[13:16] <ubotu> Current time in EST: October 29 2007, 08:16:56 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[13:16] <Jucato> oh ok
[13:17] <nixternal> umm, that is wrong
[13:17] <nixternal> or did we bump back an hour?
[13:18] <ScottK2> nixternal: My hotel is just under the Citgo sign outside Fenway.  I had to get past riot police to get back to my hotel last night.
[13:18] <nixternal> that is Boston for ya
[13:18]  * nixternal wonders how many people were shot last night
[13:18] <ScottK2> Probably fewer than in Chicago.
[13:18] <nixternal> heh
[13:20] <nixternal> @time New York
[13:20] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: October 29 2007, 09:20:22 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[13:20] <nixternal> there we go
[13:22] <Riddell> nixternal: "updated kdebase tarball"
[13:22] <nixternal> lovely
[13:22] <nixternal> ktown I take it?
[13:22] <nixternal> I will have all of teh "hacking" time in the world after class today
[13:22] <nixternal> I have completed all of my huge projects which kept backing up :)
[13:23]  * seele grumbles something about stupid baseball
[13:23] <nixternal> lol
[13:23] <nixternal> mornin' seele
[13:23] <seele> 'lo
[13:23] <nixternal> I was going to ask you something the other day, and I totally cannot remember
[13:23] <ScottK2> So when they asked about Kubuntu people here, 3 people (including me) stood up.  It was a small group in a very large room.
[13:23] <nixternal> lol
[13:23] <nixternal> ScottK2: and you didn't yell to make yourself seem bigger?
[13:24] <nixternal> at least if manchicken or I was there, the presence could be felt with a couple of big guys
[13:24] <ScottK2> nixternal: No.  Apparently I'm a lot calmer/nicer in person than on IRC (heard that more than once).
[13:24] <nixternal> oh wow, on this guys windows machine, it is updating Java, and it popped up and said "Get OpenOffice Now!"
[13:24] <ryanakca> Hmm...
[13:25] <nixternal> nice little "open source" advertisement on Windows
[13:25] <ScottK2> Cool
[13:25]  * ryanakca grumbles at what he thought was a reiserfs partition being an ext3 partition...
[13:25] <ScottK2> ryanakca: Stick with it.  The system made a good choice for you.
[13:25] <Riddell> hi seele, get home ok?
[13:26] <Riddell> jjesse: yay!
[13:26] <jjesse> finally got the wireless
[13:26] <ryanakca> jjesse: oooh, nice cloak :)
[13:27] <jjesse> cloak?
[13:27] <ryanakca> eh... conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/...
[13:27] <jjesse> oh yeah just saw that
[13:28] <nixternal> OK, if anyone is using KPhone, let me know if it just stops playing audio after a few seconds
[13:28] <nixternal> annoying
[13:30] <seele> Riddell: hihi.. i got home at 22:00 last night
[13:31] <seele> Riddell: there was no traffic or wait in security and i managed to get on the earlier flight
[13:31] <Riddell> seele: perfect
[13:34] <nixternal> OK, don't use KPhone I guess...Twinkle works great
[13:34] <nixternal> and it is newer than KPhone and full of KDE lovin'
[13:36] <nixternal> is that keybuk talking right now?
[13:36] <crimsun_> yes
[13:36] <nixternal> are you there crimsun_, or are you just eavesdropping?
[13:36] <crimsun_> I'm there
[13:36] <nixternal> nice...so then I am lucky I couldn't make it then :p
[13:36] <jjesse> nixternal:  scott is talking
[13:37] <crimsun_> I've got a large Vista flag just for you, Rich
[13:37] <nixternal> hahaha
[13:37] <nixternal> I want to hear you yell "I LOVE RICH!"
[13:37] <nixternal> or better yet, "I LOVE VISTA!!"
[13:38] <Tm_T> =)
[13:39] <crimsun_> I'll be sure to do that when I fix I all these sound driver issues.
[13:39] <nixternal> guess that will never happen then ;p
[13:39] <crimsun_> besides, we've already you to do that
[13:39] <nixternal> booyahkah
[13:39] <crimsun_> :-)
[13:40] <nixternal> anyone have the gobby ip?
[13:40] <nixternal> nevermind, it is the same as it has always been
[13:41] <ScottK2> nixternal: Which is (I'm installing it now)?
[13:42] <nixternal> gobby.ubuntu.com
[13:42] <nixternal> port 6522
[13:43] <ScottK2> nixternal: Thanks.
[13:43] <nixternal> no prob
[13:47]  * nixternal goes to skewl
[13:48] <Jucato> oh it's a monday....
[13:49]  * Jucato butters
[13:49] <Jucato> er.. mutters
[13:53] <jjesse> mmm butter
[13:53] <Tm_T> gah
[13:54] <Tm_T> I need to go to dentist
[13:54] <Tm_T> I have huge hole in my tooth
[13:54] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[14:08] <amachu> Riddell: hi
[14:08] <Riddell> hi amachu
[14:09] <amachu> Riddell: i would like to do some merging
[14:09] <amachu> just tried a small one
[14:09] <amachu> thats with kubuntu
[14:09] <amachu> anything to offer me?
[14:09] <profoX`> can I just update the BoF agenda on KubuntuHardyCatchu wiki?
[14:10] <Riddell> amachu: kid3?
[14:10] <Riddell> see http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[14:10] <manchicken> ScottK2: No you're not they're just trying to keep you from giving them a good old-fashioned American home-style butt-whoopin' ;)
[14:10] <manchicken> heh
[14:10] <jjesse> profoX`: ping Riddell on that
[14:11] <Riddell> profoX`: add stuff to the notes at the bottom, sure
[14:11] <Riddell> profoX`: are you here?
[14:11] <profoX`> Riddell: yes
[14:11] <profoX`> Riddell: what do you mean "here" i'm not in UDS if you mean that
[14:11] <Riddell> profoX`: in this room?
[14:11] <Riddell> ah, that's what I ment
[14:12] <amachu> Riddell: kid3?
[14:12] <jpatrick> amachu: on the list
[14:12] <amachu> ok
[14:13] <amachu> jpatrick: got it
[14:14] <profoX`> Riddell: so I have to add stuff in the Comments at the bottom and you guys will put the right stuff in the BoF agenda?
[14:15] <Riddell> profoX`: that is the agenda
[14:16] <jpatrick> amachu: if you require sponsership, I would be happy to help
[14:16] <amachu> jpatrick: sure.. but thats asiged to Andy Price?
[14:16] <Riddell> assignments are lose
[14:16] <Riddell> just means he was the last one to touch it
[14:17] <amachu> shall i assign to myself and have a look at it?
[14:19] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I feel your pain... neither likes me either.
[14:19] <jcastro> nixternal: whiskey muscles!
[14:19] <jpatrick> amachu: just have a look at it, and when you're happy poke me or one of the motu
[14:20] <profoX`> Riddell: I just updated the BoF agenda on the wiki then, I hope it's alright what I put there
[14:20] <amachu> jpatrick: ok
[14:20] <Hobbsee> kde ftw!
[14:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: whcih are you using?
[14:20] <amachu> and i had trouble upgrading to Gutsy
[14:21] <amachu> i will attach the file soon to the bug reported some time back in the day
[14:21] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I've tried twinkle, it just hangs, and ekiga won't even start, even after a ekiga-config-tool --clean
[14:21] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah yes.  the hanging.
[14:42] <dasKreech> hi Hobbsee  and Jucato
[14:42] <Hobbsee> hiya dasKreech
[14:42] <Jucato> hi
[14:43] <Jucato> have you guys (and gals) seen the About Virtualbox dialog box?
[14:44] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/stuff/vbox.png <-- kinda funny :)
[14:46] <jpatrick> Jucato_: where's konqi??
[14:47] <Jucato> heheh :)
[14:47] <bddebian> Heya
[14:47] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[14:47] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[14:57] <ryanakca> Jucato: hehe :)
[14:58] <dasKreech> ha ha
[14:58] <dasKreech> nice shoes
[15:04] <dasKreech> Woah
[15:04] <dasKreech> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071029#news
[15:04] <dasKreech> Read up on what we are doing for Hardy?
[15:06] <Jucato> woot! glad that my fix for dolphin gave the reviewer one less thing to dislike :)
[15:06] <Jucato> (although not really a fix as much as a simple service menu..)
[15:07] <Jucato> "As with Ubuntu, playing an MP3 file caused the system to prompt to install the required packages. This also requires access to the Internet, but I noticed that if the install failed it still said it succeeded. Whoops!"
[15:08] <Lure> anybody with successful voip config?
[15:09] <Lure> twinkle complains about not being able to access /dev/dsp...
[15:09] <Lure> (do I need to kill artsd?)
[15:10] <Hobbsee> i did, and i killed knotify, and i forced it to use alsa, not autodetect
[15:18] <Lure> @time boston
[15:18] <dasKreech> Jucato: that's gutsy
[15:18] <Lure> @time New York
[15:18] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: October 29 2007, 11:18:34 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[15:18] <dasKreech> Look at the hardy notes
[15:19] <Jucato> dasKreech: I know it's gusty. I'm just quoting from the review
[15:19] <dasKreech> I know but did you see the notes on Hardy?
[15:20] <Jucato> yes
[15:20] <dasKreech> They said we are shipping KDE4.0
[15:21] <Jucato> blame it on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap
[15:23] <dasKreech> that's a gutsy spec
[15:24] <Jucato> excuse me?
[15:24] <dasKreech> Click on the full spec
[15:24] <dasKreech> it links to a gutsyspec
[15:25] <Jucato> which doesn't exist btw
[15:25] <dasKreech> yeah but seems beside the point :)
[15:26] <dasKreech> Just wondering if someone should contact distrowatch and clarify that
[15:26] <Jucato> the wiki is less important than the actual blueprint existing in a list for UDS Boston, with the name Kubuntu Hardy KDE 4.
[15:27] <dasKreech> Well the only other spec is Catchup
[15:27] <dasKreech> Which has a wiki page
[15:27] <dasKreech>  template wiki page but again .. besides the point
[15:28] <dasKreech> I think the point is that statement needs to be clearer on the DWN
[15:28] <Jucato> distrowatch is only reporting what's written in the list. the one that needs clarification is that spec
[15:29] <dasKreech> Yes but even if we clarify that they are not magically going to change the wording on Distrowatch
[15:29] <dasKreech>  and a few hundred thousand more read Distrowatch than read the spec
[15:30]  * Jucato shrugs
[15:40] <dasKreech> I like how a new theme for Gnome trumps KDE4 though :)
[16:11] <seele> anyone know who matt thomas (mpt) is?
[16:12] <Riddell> seele: he was with us in the ubiquity sessions
[16:12] <Riddell> antipidean accent
[16:13] <seele> Riddell: ok, thanks
[16:14] <Riddell> does firefox usability
[16:14] <Riddell> works on launchpad
[16:18] <seele> he sent me an email and i'm trying to put a face/project to the name
[16:22] <Riddell> seele: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/mpt.jpg
[17:56] <uga> re
[17:58] <Lure> Riddell: do you have any kubuntu bof going on there?
[17:59] <jjesse> Lure: i think there are some specs, but not many kubuntu here :(
[17:59] <Lure> jjesse: are you kubuntu guys having own bof (as we had in mtview)?
[18:01] <jjesse> Lure: I don't know
[18:01] <jjesse> Riddell:
[18:03] <Riddell> Lure: tomorrow
[18:04] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[18:04] <Lure> Riddell: any kde developers there?
[18:04] <Riddell> KDE developers were here at the weekend
[18:05] <Riddell> this week it's me and jjesse and ScottK should be around but I havn't seen him
[18:35] <nixternal> oi
[18:35] <nixternal> jjesse: I am around now...what did you need?
[18:36] <jjesse> nixternal: are we going to upload the help files to kuntu.org?
[18:36] <jjesse> kubutnu.org
[18:36] <nixternal> if Riddell says so, then yes
[18:36] <jjesse> nixternal: Riddell and i were talking and he mentioned he was waiting on you :P
[18:36] <nixternal> when he does, we need to go through and s/help:/with whatever we need to fix it
[18:36] <nixternal> haha
[18:36] <nixternal> oh
[18:36] <nixternal> OK, I will get us a build done today then and publish it to my website branch
[18:36] <jjesse> ok i can help as well
[18:37] <jjesse> its nice to have a week dedicated to kubuntu work :)
[18:37] <nixternal> true
[18:37] <jjesse> a week of my time that is
[18:37] <nixternal> I don't know if I should build out the HTML first, or if I should edit the xml files locally and then build
[18:45] <mhb> did I get a job while I was away? :o)
[19:01] <mhb> nixternal: ^^?
[19:04] <jjesse> mhb: not that i am aware of
[19:04] <mhb> jjesse: nixternal mentioned me 16 hours ago, that's why I am asking
[19:04] <mhb> jjesse: are you at uds now? How I envy you :o) How do you like it?
[19:10] <Riddell> does this work for everyone? http://kubuntu.org/download2.php
[19:10] <Riddell> the 7.10 CD links?
[19:10] <jjesse> mhb yeah i'm at uds right now
[19:10] <nixternal> works for me Riddell
[19:10] <jjesse> i like it, it is very intersting, learning alot
[19:11] <jjesse> hidding from Riddell right now :)
[19:11] <mhb> hehe, is he that bad?
[19:11] <mhb> nixternal: you here? What was that about me and superdev and the job for me?
[19:11] <nixternal> can't remember
[19:12] <nixternal> something to do with kde 3 to kde 4 conversion maybe
[19:12] <mhb> it seems bug 107188 is affecting a lot of machines
[19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[19:12] <mhb> Riddell: do you plan to fix it or is anyone from C. inclined to do that?
[19:13] <Riddell> mhb: we got robertknight of konsole to look at it yesterday, he's going to look at it more
[19:13] <mhb> oh, good :o)
[19:13] <Riddell> hang on, edgy?
[19:13] <Riddell> same issue for feisty presumably?
[19:13] <mhb> well I meant feisty->gutsy, of course
[19:14] <mhb> perhaps that's a different bug number, just the same error
[19:15] <Riddell> mhb: trouble is when we looked at it yesterday I couldn't recreate it
[19:15] <Riddell> even though I could the day before
[19:15] <Riddell> it's that sort of bug (as you know)
[19:19] <jjesse> Riddell: what session are you hagning out in?
[19:21] <Riddell> jjesse: what was prefetch but now isn't anything
[19:24] <Riddell> so http://kubuntu.org/download2.php works?
[19:25] <begert_work> works for me
[19:25] <jjesse> works for me
[19:27] <Riddell> thanks
[19:27] <rbrunhuber> works here too
[19:28] <Tm_T> seems ok here
[20:30] <kubunter> hey
[20:32] <Riddell> hu kubunter
[20:32] <Riddell> hi kubunter
[20:33] <kubunter> are there plans to make the next kubuntu release less ugly like less blue?
[20:33] <Riddell> talk to kwwii
[20:33] <Riddell> but we did get similar complaints when it was purple
[20:33] <Riddell> and generally uglyness has little to do with basic colour
[20:34] <kubunter> I didn't like the purple either
[20:34] <kubunter> is kwii responsible for those two?
[20:34] <Riddell> all artwork
[20:35] <kubunter> actually purple was worse, blue is a little better but still painful for the eye
[20:35] <Riddell> feel free to draw something better for hardy
[20:35] <DrakeJustice_> an operating system should appear completely empty, more silver or gray or something that says (default)...
[20:35] <DrakeJustice_> not to influence the user
[20:36] <kubunter> I saw something good on kde-looks that was based on the kubuntu theme but pretty
[20:38] <kubunter> http://tinyurl.com/33nfm7 this is it
[20:38] <kubunter> kubista
[20:39] <kubunter> Riddell but won't hardy use the oxygen stuff anyway?
[20:40] <kubunter> no I remember now that hardy will ship with kde3 as default
[20:43] <seele> Riddell: has Printing in system settings changed at all in gutsy?
[20:44] <Riddell> seele: nope
[20:44]  * nixternal notes that Kubuntu tries to break my printer now
[20:45] <Riddell> although we had to make sure lots of ppd files were installed which shouldn't need to be
[20:45] <nixternal> I printed last night and heard the loudest noises emitting from upstairs
[20:45] <nixternal> I went up there and my printer was thrashing
[20:48] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Miscanti+Lagoon?content=68579
[20:49] <nixternal> that's a sweet wallpaper...even though all of my wallpapers are "beach" themed, I think I will use that one :)
[21:00] <yuriy> kubunter: that theme is called kubista... i think that says it all.
[21:04] <nixternal> yuriy: thanks for saying it, I didn't want to :)
[21:05] <DrakeJustice_> viva
[21:44] <seele> shit.. i just lost the printing toolbar
[21:44] <seele> how do you reset preferences for system settings?
[21:48] <ScottK2> Along those lines, if network manager becomes convinced you're manually managing an interface, how do you get it to take back management of that interface?
[22:09] <Riddell> seele: rm ~/.kde/share/config/kdeprintrc ?
[22:11] <seele> duh. (i removed systemsettingsrc and wondered why nothing happened) thanks :)
[22:17] <seele> Riddell: the CUPS configuration interface is a kde ui, not Kubuntu, correct?
[22:29] <jjesse> Riddell: you around and getting ready for dinner?
[22:35] <Riddell> jjesse: hi
[22:35] <jjesse> Riddell: what you doing for dinner?
[22:35] <Riddell> seele: the one in system settings is a KDE one
[22:35] <Riddell> gnome-cups-manager is gnome, not sure how official, system-config-printer is red hat
[22:36] <Riddell> jjesse: dunno, you're the local :)
[22:36] <jjesse> Riddell: not local to boston :)
[22:36] <Riddell> jjesse: want to meet in the foyer in a couple of mins and find something?
[22:36] <jjesse> sure give me 10?
[22:36] <Riddell> we have $25 each to spend, so let's go wild!
[22:36] <Riddell> 10 is fine and dandy
[22:36] <jjesse> can we actually do 20/minutes Mario wants to join us
[22:37] <Riddell> sure
[22:37] <jjesse> he's taking a timed quiz right now for class
[22:37] <Riddell> erk
[22:37] <Riddell> don't distract him
[22:59] <jjesse> Riddell: you leave already?
[23:01] <nixternal> man, converting these docs is not going to be an easy feat
[23:02] <jjesse> mario and i are heading down to the lobby
[23:04] <blueyed> Does KDE care about MIME files in /usr/lib/mime/packages/ ?
[23:05] <Tm_T> should
[23:11] <blueyed> Tm_T: hmm.. after having installed Dia, it still handles .dia files as "Gzip file" and does not provide an entry in "Open with..."
[23:12] <blueyed> Also, "application/x-dia-diagram" is not listed/available in "File Associations"
[23:12] <Tm_T> blueyed: hrrrrr
[23:13] <blueyed> Tm_T: ? (I'm refering to /usr/lib/mime/packages/dia - provided by the dia package)
[23:14] <Tm_T> thats bad
[23:41] <blueyed> I cannot find documentation about /usr/lib/mime/packages, only /usr/share/mime/packages, which is a proposal from freedesktop.org. Kubuntu only has a apport.xml file there.
[23:46] <profoX`> What does Ubuntu use for the compiz settings, how is the application named? (I have no Ubuntu Gutsy machine to check for myself here)
[23:46] <dasKreech> ccsm
[23:47] <dasKreech> and help is in #kubuntu
[23:47] <profoX`> dasKreech: no I am not talking about ccsm
[23:47] <profoX`> ccsm is not even installed by default actually
[23:48] <dasKreech> you mean display effects?
[23:48] <dasKreech> and in that case help is in #ubuntu
[23:49] <profoX`> yes it could be that it's called that
[23:49] <profoX`> dasKreech: well sorry for asking here
[23:49] <dasKreech> profoX`: Not that big a problem but help is more readily available in the support chans
[23:50] <profoX`> dasKreech: yea, I know..
[23:50] <profoX`> sorry for that
[23:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: mind if I take a try at merging openbabel?