[00:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158181
[00:36] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] 
[00:49] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[00:50] <PriceChild> Ubotwo, part #launchpad 
[02:07] <kiko> Rinchen, go to bed
[02:07] <Rinchen> lol
[02:09] <Fujitsu> kiko: I tried to link an upstream bug (project is gxine) this morning, but I can't add a bug watch. I suspect that is because the project is set as using Malone officially, when it in fact uses SourceForge. Can that be changed?
[02:10] <kiko> Fujitsu, sure it can -- let me change it.
[02:10] <Fujitsu> kiko: Thanks.
[02:11] <Rinchen> kiko, go to bed
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi kiko Fujitsu and Rinchen 
[02:11] <kiko> Fujitsu, done.
[02:11] <Fujitsu> kiko: Thanks.
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[02:12] <kiko> Fujitsu, would you like to be able to change this sort of thing yourself?
[02:12] <Fujitsu> kiko: That would be nice, if it's possible.
[02:12] <Rinchen> hi LaserJock 
[02:13] <kiko> Fujitsu, I'm going to get statik to set up some code to allow a team to update products. I'll see that it's done and we'll add you to it.
[02:13] <Fujitsu> kiko: Aha, thanks!
[02:14] <kiko> Fujitsu, are you around here?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> kiko: I wish :(
[02:14] <Fujitsu> I have exams in a week, plus no way of funding a trip out there.
[02:15] <kiko> Fujitsu, ah, I had hoped you would come. next time, then. wonder where it will be!
[02:16] <LaserJock> kiko: I registered a couple more projects this week :-)
[02:16] <Fujitsu> I doubt I'd be sponsored, and parents probably wouldn't let me go, but we'll see.
[02:16] <kiko> LaserJock, did you? I didn't notice that! 
[02:16] <LaserJock> I did xaos
[02:17] <LaserJock> so I could add a bug tracker
[02:17] <kiko> ah, very cool
[02:17] <LaserJock> my plain is to get all the Edubuntu apps in soonish
[02:18] <LaserJock> *plan
[02:19] <kiko> LaserJock, I can probably get somebody to script you a product-creation frontend if you can find a set of freshmeat urls for them
[02:19] <kiko> that might make things easier
[02:19] <kiko> LaserJock, are you coming this week?
[02:19] <LaserJock> kiko: no sorry :(
[02:19] <LaserJock> I have to focus on my dissertation
[02:19] <LaserJock> so opted out
[02:20] <kiko-zzz> !
[02:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I've been to the last 3
[02:20] <LaserJock> it's hard not seeing everybody
[02:20] <LaserJock> but such is life
[02:26] <Fujitsu> kiko-zzz: Isn't launchpad-experts the same as launchpad-edit-registry?
[02:27] <kiko-zzz> Fujitsu, the specs? I'm not sure tbh. probably. it's a trivial thing -- most of the work is on the community side
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> mpt, did you notice the weird staging oopses from today?
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> u'/srv/staging.launchpad.net/staging/launchpad/lib/canonical/launchpad/zcml/../i
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> mages/demo.png'
[02:31]  * kiko-zzz scratches head
[02:31] <mpt> kiko-zzz, that's by design
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> is that so
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> ok then
[02:31] <mpt> I asked Ng to delete the file so that test subjects wouldn't be distracted by it
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> is it a test of the oops system? :)
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> ah! 
[02:31] <mpt> because nobody implemented the button to temporarily hide it in time
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> heh
[02:31]  * mpt moves "in time" to earlier in that sentence
[02:31] <kiko-zzz> mpt, I doubt anybody even knew that was a required task :)
[02:32] <mpt> It was in the spec! Which was approved!
[02:32] <mpt> So at least Rinchen and SteveA knew :-)
[02:32] <kiko-zzz> that's not how it works around here
[02:32] <Rinchen> I heard that
[02:32] <Rinchen> :-)
[02:32] <kiko-zzz> unless it has a milestone and an assignee and I know about it
[02:32] <kiko-zzz> either you get somebody to care about it
[02:32] <kiko-zzz> or it DOESN'T GET DONE
[02:32]  * kiko-zzz uses caps for effect
[02:35]  * kiko-zzz -> zzz :)
[02:35] <Fujitsu> kiko-zzz: Yeah, those specs look identical.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Night.
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #158199 in launchpad "Download project files page should be sorted to show newest releases first." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158199
[05:43] <zachtib_> is ppa acting up for anyone? i uploaded a new src pkg, and amd64 built after 1hr, but i386 still has not built after 7hrs
[05:46] <Hobbsee> no, someone decided to upload a whole bunch of stuff, adn that's still building.
[05:47] <RAOF> In particular, there's a *whole bunch* of langpacks building, and since they're arch: all and the build scheduler is awesome they all go on the i386 build queue only.
[05:49] <zachtib_> oh, that makes sense
[05:50] <zachtib_> i was wondering why there was such a difference :)
[05:59] <Fujitsu> zachtib_: The language packs took more than 48 hours to build, and the i386 buildd has almost caught up.
[05:59] <zachtib_> cool
[05:59] <Fujitsu> There are bugs filed on the fact that arch: all is only built on i386, and that there's no global PPA build queue.
[06:01] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's still going?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yup
[06:05] <daniel_ki> whoa, more than 48 hours
[06:06] <Hobbsee> try 72+
[06:06] <daniel_ki> reminds me of the days when I built XFree86 on an old 386
[06:06] <Hobbsee> pepole have been asking about it since at least friday, when there were 3 open office uploads.
[06:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: The langpacks finished some hours ago.
[06:06] <daniel_ki> although that took still less than 48 h
[06:06] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that OOo stuff was impressive.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah nice.  so now everything else might get a chance to build.
[06:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: quick, upload it a few more times
[06:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Yeah, a couple of hours ago it had just got to less than 48h behind, IIRC.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[06:08]  * daniel_ki actually wondered why his small builds took half an hour, but now he thinks he has nothing to complain about, really
[06:08] <Fujitsu> I was rejoicing when the final OOo build finished, thinking my mplayer would be there for testing within a few hours... then I saw the dreaded `Building language-pack-zh'
[06:09] <Fujitsu> daniel_ki: The queue-builder is dieing under the load of 15000 pending builds for Ubuntu hardy.
[06:09] <daniel_ki> how fast are the machines?
[06:09] <Fujitsu> So builds appear to be taking a lot longer than normal, whereas the actual building is the same as usual.
[06:09] <Fujitsu> No idea whatsoever.
[06:09] <Fujitsu> Fairly, I think.
[06:09] <daniel_ki> Zen should be close to bare metal performance, right?
[06:10] <Fujitsu> s/Z/X/, but yes.
[06:10] <daniel_ki> er
[06:10] <Fujitsu> Very close.
[06:11] <daniel_ki> although pbuilder setup is very inefficient
[06:11] <Fujitsu> They don't use pbuilder.
[06:11] <daniel_ki> what do they use?
[06:11] <Fujitsu> They use a horribly mangled sbuild with a lot of extra black magic which sometimes works.
[06:11] <daniel_ki> oh hm
[06:11] <daniel_ki> but it still seems to take quite a bit of time to install dependencies
[06:12] <daniel_ki> probably hard to avoid
[06:13] <Fujitsu> Does it? Seems fairly quick to me.
[06:13]  * daniel_ki managed to get cowdancer working on his own machine which improved things quite a bit, despite penalties on xfs
[06:14] <daniel_ki> maybe I got a wrong impression from the log viewer
[06:14] <Fujitsu> daniel_ki: What you're probably seeing is the slave-scanner (which updates the build logs, normally in real time) being shut down for extending periods.
[06:14] <daniel_ki> ok
[06:14] <Fujitsu> slave-scanner won't run when queue-builder is, and queue-builder is taking many tens of minutes to run due to the large number of Ubuntu builds.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hardy build stuff is slowly decreasing, though
[06:14] <daniel_ki> aaah
[06:14] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Yeah, it's not taking quite as long any more, it seems.
[06:15] <daniel_ki> so most of the time doesn't go to the actual build but building the queue?
[06:15] <Fujitsu> They're independent processes.
[06:15] <Fujitsu> The queue-builder decides which builds are going to which machines and in which order, I believe.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: 13942 to go.  they're going up again.  sigh.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Hah.
[06:16] <daniel_ki> ok, so the machines are still saturated?
[06:16] <Fujitsu> i386 passed p* earlier! Yay!
[06:16] <Fujitsu> daniel_ki: Yes.
[06:16] <daniel_ki> cool
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: at times like this, it makes me wonder why they dont set the livecd/security buildds onto automatic, and build stuff faster
[06:20] <Hobbsee> then just bump the priorities of anything security-based.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Most security stuff is built using dak/wanna-build, not Soyuz.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> That's why they can't be on automatic, because they're running a separate system.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> maybe it's live cds, then
[06:20] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Some security stuff seems to build in Soyuz, but I'm not sure how that works.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> a whole bunch of this is still idling, too
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Right, the queue-builder is probably running, so the slave-scanner can't order them around or see what they are doing.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> heh.  ppa i386 is finally idle, too
[06:21] <Hobbsee> both of them, actually
[06:22] <Fujitsu> promethium has been mostly idle for a couple of days.
[06:22] <Fujitsu> As it is quicker, and doesn't do arch: all.
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ah, there we go
[06:22] <Hobbsee> refresh the page, and it's going
[06:22] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[06:23]  * Fujitsu needs to head off to TAFE now.
[08:54] <carlos> morning
[09:52] <htaccess_> hi i am about to ask a question on launchpad but am not sure which package to associate it with ... console-data console-common or xserver-xorg
[09:53] <htaccess_> should i just choose one at random?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> to ask a question use answers on launchpad
[09:58] <gnomefreak> to file a bug choose one and someone will fix it when they have the info
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158298 in launchpad "some colours on blueprints are hard to disern" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158298
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158322 in launchpad "Registration message features incongruous request for feedback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158322
[14:04] <skimat> conversation with jrib previously ::
[14:04] <skimat> the page you linked me is interessting but where's the feedback - i like this can i vote for it (users)- are devloppers interested in this (devloperrs)
 no voting system exists that I know of
 you could work on it :)
 it be a simple text standard allowing devlopers to change an idea they devlop into a color or format, and users to add their mail to it - when someone is interrested in devlopping an idea all the mails are added to a mail list and those people can team for realising this idea
[14:13] <skimat> the discussion was about 
[14:13] <skimat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool#head-5a86a0a61762d65ad36b9d3925fc6825cb76355e
[14:14] <skimat> thats great but could be improved 
[15:55] <ryanakca> is there anyway to remove a package from a PPA?
[16:01] <kiko> ryanakca, yes, ask on help.l.n (see topic)
[16:01] <kiko> ryanakca, the UI is coming.
[16:12] <ryanakca> kiko: thanks
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158402 in soyuz "there needs to be a way for a buildd admin to upload a new chroot tarball" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158402
[18:45] <caquino> hi, is possible to do you "repository reset" in one launchpad project?
[18:45] <caquino> I want to remove all the files from one project.. to start again
[18:48] <lifeless> bzr push --overwrite
[18:56] <caquino> lifeless: but this will remove all past revisions?
[18:59] <lifeless> caquino: it will make them unreferenced and they won't get copied around etc. As long as you did 'init' to make a new branch
[19:58] <vx> maybe a redendant question, but, i would like to know wich parts of launchpad are opened please ?
[20:01] <LaserJock> vx: what do you mean by opend?
[20:09] <pochu> vx: https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ#head-34295746b9c12bbe42eee4a9bd5e2656306fd796
[20:11] <Lhademmor> Hi, I have a problem: I'm currently translating Deluge https://launchpad.net/deluge to Danish through the Launchpad-translation interface. But now I want to export the translations so far to a .po-file so I can work with it offline. I tried the "Export" function of Launchpad, but I never received any email.... What should I do?
[20:15] <carlos> Lhademmor: hi
[20:15] <carlos> Lhademmor: we have a problem with the export process
[20:15] <Lhademmor> Do you have an ETA for a fix?
[20:16] <carlos> it should start working again soon
[20:16] <carlos> the fix is already done and we are doing some testing now
[20:16] <carlos> before deploying it on production
[20:17] <Lhademmor> okay :)
[20:18] <Lhademmor> I should maybe be able to finish translation before then
[20:34] <Lhademmor> is there a  ubuntu summit going on?
[20:38] <LaserJock> yes
[20:40] <Lhademmor> cool
[21:35] <vx> LaserJock heard that some of launchpad modules have been published
[21:36] <LaserJock> vx: ahh, right, Storm I think
[21:36] <vx> LaserJock yep ty
[21:44] <ddaa> vx: this, as well: https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs
[21:44] <vx> ty all
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158450 in launchpad "heading on blueprint is confusing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158450
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158455 in malone "When displaying matching bugs in +filebug,  don't display duplicates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158455
[22:37] <LaserJock> kiko: ping
[22:38] <doko_> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/mwiki/index.php?title=Bzr
[22:38] <doko_> poolie: ^^^
[22:43] <Peaker> the launchpad site is unnecessarily confusing :-(
[22:43] <Peaker> took me 5 minuets to find where I search for a team
[22:43] <Peaker> "list all teams" is unsearchable. or it has a search on top but it searches projects, not teams
[22:43] <Peaker> then view people has to be used, to search teams, which is confusing
[23:27] <Mez> hmmles..
[23:27] <Mez> PPAs... 
[23:27] <Mez> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mez/+archive
[23:28] <Mez> shows for hardy, yet the dropdown box has gutsy
[23:28] <Mez> and theres no option for hardy in the dropdown