| === effraie_ is now known as effraie | ||
| === Pici- is now known as Pici | ||
| === superm1_ is now known as superm1 | ||
| Ditiris | Can anyone tell me a little bit about the best way to do DMA transfers in Linux? I have a couple of general questions for a project. I'm just looking for a push in the right direction. | 04:11 |
|---|---|---|
| ion_ | dd if=foo of=bar | 04:12 |
| ion_ | Please read the topic. | 04:12 |
| Ditiris | sorry ; ; | 04:12 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, you awake my friend? | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | OpenSorce: barely :-) | 04:39 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, hehe.....just wanted to let you know that a certain afore mentioned article will not be published | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | OpenSorce: ok, thanks for letting us know | 04:40 |
| OpenSorce | also I'll be personally gathering data on the wifi hardware of the 6 machines we discussed and filing bug reports personally for each | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | thank you very much for the effort | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | it's a very odd problem | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | many thousands of people have installed or upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10 without problems like that | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | but if there *is* something we can do then we will surely look into it | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | and you suggestion of looking at what Mandriva was doing to solve or get around the problem is a good one | 04:42 |
| OpenSorce | Our IT guy believes that it's an issue that can be resolved with ndiswrapper.....I'm going to test that theory....and I have a feeling that most of the machines (office desktops) are using Broadcom chipsets | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | that could very well be | 04:43 |
| OpenSorce | anyway....just wanted to let you guys know :-) | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the update | 04:44 |
| OpenSorce | with the whole "new user" aspect out of the way.....let me tell you that Ubuntu is awsome.....you guys have done great work | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | the devs appreciate that | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | it can be quite stressful at times | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | we try to be as much of a "new user" distro as we can, but there are lots of practical/philosophical limitations | 04:49 |
| OpenSorce | I can only imagine.....I'm going to try rebuilding my own distro on Ubuntu instead of what I am using now and see how that works out | 04:49 |
| OpenSorce | well.....I for one don't believe it's fair to compare free distros to non-free ones | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | well, yes and no | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | I think it's ok | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | as long as you can document things well | 04:50 |
| OpenSorce | on my own box I have slackware and without a single scrap of non-free code on it.....I even do without full gfx support because Nvidia doesn't make free drivers | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | giving new users information they can use sometimes is much better than hiding the "nasty details" | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | for instance, with your review I think it's legitamite to talk about wifi problems | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | but I think it must be done with a "some people may find problems with certain wifi cards" | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | rather than "don't us Kubuntu if you have wifi" | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | *use | 04:52 |
| OpenSorce | well, the way it's been redone, we'll review distros that pass the basics but not the ones that don't.... | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | and I think educating people on the "why" of why Ubuntu doesn't play mp3s by default, etc. can be helpful for new users | 04:53 |
| OpenSorce | We won't even mention them as far as new users go......and another journalist will be heading up the "not so newb" reviews in which case I am sure the *buntu flavors will do well | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | it's not always about shielding people, but about giving them enough information for them to be able to decide, without overwhelming them with technical details | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | well, I hope Ubuntu will make it to the "good for newbs" list soon enough | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | I really think it's quite good for newbs | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | we've made a lot of strides | 04:55 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, without a doubt | 04:55 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, I'll be trying every release of Kubuntu that comes out.....and if they ever decide Gnome is ok for new people Ubuntu as well | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | that's realy strange that Gnome isn't considered | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | I think there's some really fishy ideas about what is "new user" friendly | 04:57 |
| jdong | they're picking KDE over GNOME for user friendliness? | 04:57 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, it's based on some tests that were done last year.....new people who were used to Windows chose KDE over Gnome | 04:57 |
| jdong | well familiarity -- yes | 04:57 |
| === chx_sleeping is now known as chx | ||
| jdong | KDE's configuration is more of a clone of Windows | 04:57 |
| jdong | nothing says you can't configure GNOME the same way | 04:58 |
| OpenSorce | jdong, exactly | 04:58 |
| OpenSorce | jdong, we deal with "out of the box" configurations mostly | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | but it seems like you've narrowed yourselves quit a bit | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | many new users will love Gnome as well | 04:59 |
| jdong | I find most people figure out GNOME pretty quickly | 04:59 |
| jdong | sure there's a bit of startle at first because menus are at the top and so on | 04:59 |
| jdong | but after that, IMO Gnome is easier for learning new tasks. | 04:59 |
| jdong | perpetuation the "Linux is EXACTLY like windows" stereotype in the UI front is a bad idea | 04:59 |
| jdong | it'll end very soon, and users won't be happy. | 04:59 |
| jdong | (i.e. try to go install something) | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | OpenSorce: anyway, I don't want to take youre time more | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I gotta get to bed | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | OpenSorce: thanks for update and for getting the feedback to our bug tracker | 05:01 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, and I don't want to be a "troll" :-) | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 05:01 |
| OpenSorce | LaserJock, always nice talking o you | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | likewise | 05:01 |
| ubuntu-j | I have noticed a package that's out of date, in apt, and I'm a afraid it will get neglected. Is this the proper place to bring that up? | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | which package? | 06:02 |
| ubuntu-j | libtheora | 06:02 |
| ubuntu-j | The current package in apt is Alpha 07 | 06:02 |
| ubuntu-j | the current actual release | 06:02 |
| ubuntu-j | is Beta 2 | 06:02 |
| ubuntu-j | I see a launchpad page for the package, but no maintainer. | 06:03 |
| ubuntu-j | assigned to it. | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | it came up way after feature freeze | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | !timebasedreleases | 06:04 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | see ^ | 06:04 |
| ubuntu-j | Right | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | and by the time it was there, it was far too late to retest everything with it. | 06:04 |
| ubuntu-j | Can it be released into apt now that 7.10 is generally available, as an update? | 06:04 |
| Fujitsu | Very, very unlikely. | 06:04 |
| Fujitsu | It breaks ABI, doesn't it? | 06:05 |
| ubuntu-j | Why is that? | 06:05 |
| RAOF | It *might* go into backports, but probably not. | 06:05 |
| ubuntu-j | Ok, why not backports? | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-j: no. you didnt read teh link, did you? | 06:05 |
| Fujitsu | ubuntu-j: Backporting libraries is generally a Bad Idea. | 06:05 |
| ubuntu-j | Ok | 06:07 |
| ubuntu-j | I've read both pages | 06:07 |
| ubuntu-j | So, what you're saying is, because it's a library (and therefore used by many programs) it's a bad idea to release it now, because of an unknowable amount of impact on other programs (known and unknown) that might be affected by it? | 06:08 |
| persia | ubuntu-j: Exactly. | 06:08 |
| ubuntu-j | So, suck it up and wait for 8.04 for Theora Beta2 (or whatever the current release at that time)? | 06:09 |
| RAOF | Pretty much. Is there anything terribly interesting in beta2 over alpha 7? | 06:09 |
| persia | ubuntu-j: Well, perhaps "The next release (8.04) will contain a newer version, and all software compiled and tested against that version" | 06:09 |
| ubuntu-j | Yes, significant performance gains. At least, that's what I've been given to understand. Also a few programs require >alpha-7 | 06:10 |
| ubuntu-j | * correction: >alpha-07. | 06:10 |
| ubuntu-j | If I build it myself, and it (semi-miraculously) compiles without error, am I asking for trouble compiling it myself? | 06:11 |
| RAOF | No, not really. | 06:12 |
| ubuntu-j | ok | 06:12 |
| RAOF | Unless you install it in system-wide. Then you may or may not break every program that uses libtheora | 06:12 |
| ubuntu-j | if I do a... ./configure && make install | 06:13 |
| ubuntu-j | is that going system wide? | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-j: if you compile it yourself, you'll have to recopile everything else that depends on it | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | yes. | 06:13 |
| persia | ubuntu-j: Depends where make install installs it. | 06:13 |
| ubuntu-j | nuts | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | persia: true, but in standard config... | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-j: this is why it didnt get upgraded. | 06:13 |
| ubuntu-j | the "snow-ball effect" | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-j: because, of course, you'd have to test each program that it works with the new vesrion, and fix anything that doesnt :) | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 06:14 |
| RAOF | That'll stick it in /usr/local generally. What you probably want is ./configure --prefix=/home/username/local or something. | 06:14 |
| ubuntu-j | ok | 06:14 |
| ion_ | I prefer ~/.local, doesn’t clutter the directory listing. :-) | 06:14 |
| RAOF | ion_: Not a bad idea. | 06:15 |
| ion_ | I have ~/.local/bin in my $PATH, for example. | 06:15 |
| RAOF | And ~/.local/lib in your ld.conf ? | 06:15 |
| ubuntu-j | Alright guys. Thanks for the explanation. | 06:15 |
| ion_ | Nope, i haven’t had a need to install libraries to my ~ | 06:15 |
| ubuntu-j | I do have a question about another package though. | 06:16 |
| ubuntu-j | Has anybody had success porting Novel iFolder to Ubuntu? | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh, now i think popey was looking into that 6 months ago | 06:16 |
| ubuntu-j | I've tried 10-ways to Sunday to get import (via alien) the .rpm, and compiling brakes the thing. | 06:17 |
| RAOF | From memory that's got a non-free server, right? | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | but, i have no idea how far he got | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | I'ts free | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | now | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | it was at one time non-free | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | this has changed in the past ~6-months | 06:17 |
| RAOF | ubuntu-j: The whole stack, or just the client? | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | The whole stack | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | There was some framework | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | being non-free | 06:17 |
| RAOF | Oh, possibly cool. | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | issue | 06:17 |
| ubuntu-j | Would you like the URI which indicates the license changeover? | 06:18 |
| RAOF | Not particularly. I've got a large bunch of other things to do than package something I'm unlikely to use :) | 06:18 |
| ubuntu-j | ok, well, at least you're honest | 06:18 |
| RAOF | Someone probably will, or you can yourself ): | 06:19 |
| ubuntu-j | I've tried | 06:19 |
| RAOF | If you're interested enough to try packaging it, #ubuntu-motu will help :) | 06:19 |
| ubuntu-j | I ended up cursing into a paper bag (so to speak) | 06:19 |
| ubuntu-j | Ok | 06:19 |
| ubuntu-j | umm... | 06:19 |
| RAOF | !packagingguide | ubuntu-j | 06:20 |
| ubotu | ubuntu-j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 06:20 |
| ubuntu-j | I don't understand C/C++ much will this be an insurmountable problem? | 06:20 |
| ubuntu-j | Or, will I end up learning more C than I wanted to know in the process? | 06:20 |
| RAOF | No, not at all. You don't need to be able to program at all. | 06:20 |
| RAOF | You'll learn a bit of makefile syntax, but that's about it. | 06:21 |
| RAOF | And probably a bit of shell scripting, but no C at all (unless you want to, of course) | 06:21 |
| ubuntu-j | Alright | 06:21 |
| ubuntu-j | And when it spits out some arcane error I don't understand... and I RTFM and still don't understand, I hop on the list and they help me? | 06:22 |
| RAOF | Yup. Absolutely. | 06:22 |
| ubuntu-j | Ok, now I created a launchpad account some time ago for this purpose (and to talk to the server guys, because I used to deploy a lot of Samba File Servers / PDC's) but no one has passed a package (specifically iFolder) to me to even try to package. What do I do? | 06:24 |
| ubuntu-j | Note: I have read the MOTU documentation, it's been a while though. | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | file a needs-packaging bug, assign it to yourself. | 06:25 |
| ubuntu-j | It has a bug (of that type) | 06:25 |
| ubuntu-j | and some people have tried, but real life has gotten in the way, and they dropped it again. | 06:26 |
| ubuntu-j | Can I still assign it to myself? | 06:26 |
| RAOF | Yup | 06:26 |
| ubuntu-j | Ok | 06:26 |
| ubuntu-j | well | 06:27 |
| ubuntu-j | Thanks guys | 06:27 |
| ubuntu-j | When is feature freeze for 8.04? | 06:27 |
| persia | ubuntu-j: Early February. | 06:28 |
| ubuntu-j | ok thanks | 06:35 |
| === luk__ is now known as luk_ | ||
| mekius | bryce: Hey, we are having issues with the openchrome 2D driver and the unichrome 3D driver. Seems to cause a kernel panic as the whole machine locks. Also, there is an experimental version of the openchrome drivers that support some of the newer cards. I tested the latest copy of the unichrome 3D driver from their git and didn't get a kernel panic. Any possibility the packages involved could be updated to support more hardware? | 07:07 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| pwnguin | pop quiz: what time is it in CST? | 09:26 |
| gnomefreak | @now cts | 09:31 |
| gnomefreak | pwnguin: where are you? msg ubotu now wher eyou are at | 09:32 |
| pwnguin | im in kansas | 09:32 |
| pwnguin | cst/cdt | 09:32 |
| gnomefreak | @now kansas | 09:33 |
| gnomefreak | damn bot | 09:33 |
| pwnguin | thats not really the point though | 09:33 |
| pwnguin | something decided to fall back an hour | 09:34 |
| pwnguin | 5 days ahead of schedule | 09:34 |
| gnomefreak | http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/timezones.html pwnguin will help you | 09:34 |
| gnomefreak | pwnguin: this isnt the channel for this either | 09:34 |
| ompaul | @now dublin | 09:35 |
| ubotu | Current time in Europe/Dublin: October 29 2007, 09:35:07 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day | 09:35 |
| ompaul | @now texas | 09:35 |
| pwnguin | @now chicago | 09:35 |
| ubotu | Current time in America/Chicago: October 29 2007, 04:35:16 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day | 09:35 |
| ompaul | ahh now there ya go | 09:35 |
| thom | pwnguin: TZ=America/Chicago date is your friend; but this really isn't the right place unless you think your timezone maps are wrong | 09:36 |
| pwnguin | /etc/timezone says america/chicago, but gnome and date report CDT | 09:40 |
| cyberix | Are there any Windows applications being packaged for Ubuntu? | 10:01 |
| persia | cyberix: That effort is waiting on bug #130032 | 10:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 130032 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Wine-doors" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130032 | 10:02 |
| cyberix | Well I was actually thinking more in terms of integrating with Ubuntu. | 10:08 |
| cyberix | i.e. creating deb-packages | 10:08 |
| cyberix | Wine-doors is for making currently existing Windows packages to work in Ubuntu, right? | 10:09 |
| persia | cyberix: Do you mean packaging applications that currently are windows only for source-level distribution in Ubuntu? | 10:10 |
| cyberix | Yes, but of course including non-free stuff for multiverse. | 10:11 |
| cyberix | Maybe packaging, say game "Progress Quest" for multiverse. | 10:12 |
| Fujitsu | Attempting to compile them with winelib, or mingw and wine? | 10:12 |
| cyberix | Attempting to depend on wine and include a launcher in the package. | 10:12 |
| persia | cyberix: If the source compiles and runs, and is licensed so that it may be distributed, I'd suggest following the standard packaging process. If you need special hooks (as those mentioned by Fujitsu), I'd wait for wine-doors. | 10:12 |
| cyberix | "wine progressquest.exe" | 10:12 |
| cyberix | I was just wondering, if wine work out of the box | 10:13 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not exactly sure how system-wide Wine apps would work... | 10:13 |
| Fujitsu | It's not designed to operate like that. | 10:13 |
| cyberix | Because, if the user doesn't even want to install wine, then I really can't expect her to configure it, right? | 10:14 |
| * persia thought wine-doors was an attempt to address that | 10:14 | |
| Fujitsu | Easy installation is for Wine-Doors, yep. | 10:14 |
| cyberix | I don't actually see how it would be better in this case. | 10:15 |
| cyberix | Except that people who know they are looking for Windows software might try to use it first. | 10:15 |
| cyberix | I do think Wine-doors makes a lot of sense, but it is completely different from packaging Windows software for Ubuntu. | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | How? | 10:17 |
| Fujitsu | Wine-Doors is packaging Windows applications in a distribution-neutral manner, which is probably a better idea, particularly given the complexity of the infrastructure and lack of a Debian policy on the matter. | 10:17 |
| cyberix | Yes. | 10:18 |
| cyberix | But not everything is complex. | 10:18 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see the purpose of duplication - Wine apps don't interact with the rest of the system, there's no FHS, etc. | 10:19 |
| cyberix | And Ubuntu users might like the Ubuntu way more than a distribution neutral non-integrated manner. | 10:19 |
| cyberix | There used to be atleast one Nintendo Entertainment System game packaged for Debian | 10:20 |
| cyberix | But the packaging was lacking application icon and shell script to run the game by typing its name to a console. | 10:20 |
| cyberix | The kind of stuff you would normally expect. | 10:21 |
| cyberix | apt-cache show efp | 10:21 |
| Fujitsu | !info efp | 10:21 |
| ubotu | efp: Escape from Pong NES game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 112 kB | 10:21 |
| cyberix | But then again there are multiple nes emulators. | 10:22 |
| persia | cyberix: More interestingly, Escape from Pong is free :) | 10:22 |
| cyberix | But there is only one wine | 10:22 |
| cyberix | So this won't be a problem for Windows stuff | 10:23 |
| cyberix | persia: :-) | 10:23 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | hi | 10:23 |
| cyberix | Even binaries include the source code, if you write them by hand. ;-) | 10:24 |
| ion_ | It would be kind of funny to have proper package management for Windows® software with repositories and dependencies and FHS before Windows® has it. :-) | 10:26 |
| Fujitsu | cyberix: Windows applications have a complex filesystem structure, traditionally kept in ~/.wine... The permissions over various system directories might also be rather restrictive. I'm really not sure how a system-wide Wine prefix would work. | 10:26 |
| cyberix | Running the startup script would create symlink to users "drive c"? | 10:27 |
| cyberix | startup script of the specfic application | 10:27 |
| cyberix | I'm currently talking about a very simple piece of Windows software | 10:27 |
| cyberix | with only one exe-file and nothing else | 10:28 |
| cyberix | Doesn't make sense to take giant steps towards a deadly pit. :-) | 10:28 |
| gaspa | doko: hi. do you know if someone is merging ltrace package? are you working on that? | 11:32 |
| === Gman is now known as GmanAFK | ||
| cyberix | Is there something like MOTU for Multiverse? | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | motu does universe adn multiverse | 11:58 |
| cyberix | ok | 12:00 |
| cyberix | thanks | 12:00 |
| === zul_ is now known as zul | ||
| mr_pouit | superm1: did you receive my mail about xubuntu or did it get lost? | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | (he's at breakfast) | 12:09 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, ok ^^ | 12:10 |
| === pedro is now known as pedro_ | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | pitti! | 12:59 |
| * pitti hugs Hobbsee | 13:00 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 13:00 |
| * Hobbsee hugs pitti back | 13:00 | |
| * nixternal group hugs everyone awake | 13:01 | |
| * Fujitsu snores. | 13:01 | |
| pitti | nixternal: that would be a lot -- everyone is just assembling in the main room | 13:01 |
| nixternal | hrmm, stage dive + hug | 13:01 |
| pitti | StevenK: texlive-bin bumped | 13:05 |
| Riddell | is there a UDS channel? | 13:11 |
| * ogra_cmpc was wondering that as well | 13:11 | |
| * soren hugs StevenK for fixing texlive-bin | 13:11 | |
| zul | Riddell: #uds-boston | 13:12 |
| Riddell | so that's where everyone is hiding | 13:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | zul: thanks | 13:12 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with hardy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Hardy opened, go wild! | UDS in #uds-boston | ||
| zul | ogra_cmpc: no probs | 13:12 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch | ||
| slangasek | anyone in platform roundtable can tell me how to get to the gobby resource Arne mentioned? | 14:05 |
| slangasek | ArneGoetje: ^^? | 14:05 |
| siretart | gobby.ubuntu.com? | 14:09 |
| mdomsch | bryce, ping | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | err, need a Python expert | 14:17 |
| Keybuk | if I have a UTC datetime, how do I get a local time ? | 14:18 |
| crimsun_ | time.localtime() ? | 14:18 |
| crimsun_ | err, s/time.// | 14:19 |
| Fujitsu | Keybuk: I think the correct way is to give up, concluding that Python's datetime manipulation is really lacking :( | 14:19 |
| Keybuk | heh | 14:19 |
| lifeless | jcastro: Znarl | 14:22 |
| === warp10_it is now known as warp10 | ||
| mdomsch | Keybuk, tz.fromutc() | 14:27 |
| Keybuk | mdomsch: I can't work out how to actually specify the timezone | 14:27 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: python ? | 14:28 |
| slangasek | presumably tz.fromutc() gives you an object with a second method that lets you specify the timezone? | 14:29 |
| === pedro is now known as pedro_ | ||
| Keybuk | slangasek: but it only accepts a class that nothing appears to implement | 14:33 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: time.tzname is te current timezone | 14:34 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: what are you trying to do ? | 14:34 |
| slangasek | lifeless: munge the datestamps he got exported from LP, I think :) | 14:36 |
| zul | ?win 14 | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | lifeless: it's blank | 14:45 |
| Keybuk | and current timezone isn't useful | 14:46 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: where are you? I'm not clear on what you are trying to do. | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | lifeless: I've given up and just hacked it | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | basically I have UTC dates | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | and I want EDT times | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | and Python doesn't let you do that | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | because it's fucking stupid | 14:46 |
| Keybuk | </angry at silly programming languages>? | 14:46 |
| bddebian | Heya | 14:47 |
| awalton__ | keybuk: localtime() doesn't work? or maybe strftime() with %Z? | 14:48 |
| awalton__ | (note: I don't speak pythonese, but python's written in C, it should wrap the C stdlibs pretty tightly..) | 14:50 |
| lifeless | isn't it juste | 14:51 |
| lifeless | time.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S", time.gmtime(localtimeinseconds)) | 14:52 |
| awalton__ | (not awake, that first line should have been localtime() with strftime()) | 14:52 |
| lifeless | where localtimeinseconds is time.mktime(utc_tuple) + TZOFFSET | 14:52 |
| awalton__ | lifeless: you'd know better than me, I don't know python at all. | 14:52 |
| wasabi | Is there going to be voice conference stuff at this UDS so those of us who are not there can listen in? | 14:59 |
| Hobbsee | yes, see #canonical-sysadmin | 14:59 |
| wasabi | Sweet, thanks! | 15:00 |
| siretart | 15:04 | |
| siretart | `> | 15:04 |
| sommer | /j #canonical-sysadmin | 15:08 |
| sommer | /j #canonical-sysadmin | 15:08 |
| ompaul | !bostonvoip | 15:08 |
| sommer | woops | 15:08 |
| ubotu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Participate go on you know you want to | 15:08 |
| sommer | ompaul: thanks | 15:08 |
| ompaul | sommer, it is the icing on the cake that counts :) | 15:09 |
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | ||
| dib_ | alguem teve de instalar alguns drivers para placa via chrome9 HC IGP? É que sou iniciante em ubuntu e não estou a conseguir por a placa a funcionar. Já segui vários posts de helps ubuntu mas chegando à parte de compilar o OpenChrome perco-me completamente e não consigo compilar... Alguém me pode ajudar? | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | dib_: and in english? | 15:11 |
| ompaul | !pt | 15:11 |
| ubotu | Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. | 15:11 |
| dib_ | 15:13 | |
| dib_ | Someone had to install some drivers to plate via chrome9 HC IGP? It is that I am beginning in ubuntu and I am not able for the board to operate. We follow several posts, helps ubuntu but getting to the part of compiling the OpenChrome miss me completely and not compile ... Someone can help me? | 15:13 |
| dib_ | my english is bad:-) | 15:15 |
| === Gasteen is now known as Gasten | ||
| === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 | ||
| mr_pouit | superm1: did you receive my mail about xubuntu or did it get lost? (or didn't have the time to respond, or whatever...) | 16:10 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, my gmail filters got really messed up with me switching to gmail+imap, so its probably in there but it thinks that i read it - but i didn't | 16:11 |
| superm1 | let me hunt through | 16:11 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, are you here at UDS right now? | 16:11 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: no :( | 16:13 |
| superm1 | o :(. | 16:13 |
| mr_pouit | iirc the subject is "Re: Getting started for hardy" | 16:14 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, oh just found it. I'll look into xfmedia-remote-plugin and xfce4-sensors-plugin today | 16:14 |
| === Burgundavia_ is now known as Burgundavia | ||
| mr_pouit | superm1: ok, thanks :) (I have already merged some packages, gpocentek too) | 16:16 |
| chriss_croozer | hello | 16:17 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, xfmedia-remote isn't in debian or ubuntu right now, so you were meaning to get it in NEW via universe i'm assuming right? | 16:18 |
| chriss_croozer | hello? | 16:18 |
| chriss_croozer | can anybody tell me where i can submit kernel patches for ubuntu kernel | 16:19 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: yes | 16:19 |
| superm1 | chriss_croozer, kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com is the mailing list you can bring them up on, or attach them to a bug typically. you can find the kernel guys in #ubuntu-kernel as well, but mind you UDS is going on right now | 16:20 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: there is also this plugin: http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-smartpm-plugin/, but I'm not sure about smart package manager (is it used by many people in ubuntu?) | 16:21 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, okay i'll see what i can do. | 16:21 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, are there any needs-packaging bugs that are outstanding on these for me to close up during this too that you know of offhand? | 16:22 |
| chriss_croozer | thanks for info | 16:22 |
| mr_pouit | last time I checked, no | 16:22 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, do you guys have an area you like to keep packaging in bzr? | 16:29 |
| superm1 | like a ~xubuntu-devel team against an xubuntu project? | 16:29 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: until now, no. But we can start using bzr | 16:34 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, i'll push it to a motu team branch then for now | 16:34 |
| superm1 | since it will live in universe for now | 16:34 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: I can add you to the xubuntu-team if you prefer | 16:35 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, yeah i guess that won't hurt | 16:35 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: this should be ok | 16:39 |
| === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov | ||
| superm1 | mr_pouit, you here? | 17:41 |
| superm1 | you want to give a quick once over, so i can push it out? | 17:41 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: yes | 17:44 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: I looked at the bzr trunk, is it up-to-date? | 17:45 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, it should be | 17:45 |
| mr_pouit | superm1: for the debian/rules, we usually use "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/xfce.mk" only ;) | 17:46 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, oh that probably would have made life easier.... | 17:47 |
| superm1 | haha | 17:47 |
| === pedro is now known as pedro_ | ||
| LaserJock | is there a participation page for UDS? | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | I can't find any info on VoIP or gobby | 18:12 |
| LaserJock | doh | 18:12 |
| mc44 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Participate | 18:12 |
| LaserJock | I just guessed | 18:12 |
| LaserJock | that should really be linked from the main page | 18:12 |
| === ryu2 is now known as ryu | ||
| so1 | hi | 18:30 |
| so1 | i probably found a usability problem in gnome-appearance-properties ... | 18:31 |
| so1 | i just wanted to discuss it before filing it | 18:31 |
| so1 | but the whole #gnome channel is silent ... | 18:31 |
| so1 | so i came here ... | 18:31 |
| azeem | try #gnome on gimpnet | 18:31 |
| so1 | yes, did that | 18:32 |
| so1 | i just had a hard time to debug a font problem | 18:35 |
| so1 | somebody came to me and complained, that "strong" hinting was more blurry than "light" | 18:35 |
| so1 | after a while i figured out, that the font didn't had bytecode embedded ... | 18:35 |
| so1 | and my question now is: | 18:36 |
| so1 | why is the option "strong" not deactivated, when the font doesn't offer bytecode? | 18:36 |
| so1 | because without bytceode: strong = off | 18:36 |
| so1 | and that is _really_ confusing | 18:36 |
| Burgundavia | jcastro: ping | 18:36 |
| jcastro | Burgundavia: yo | 18:43 |
| Burgundavia | jcastro: where is ryan? | 18:44 |
| jcastro | Burgundavia: next to me, we're in luscomb | 18:45 |
| Burgundavia | luscomb? | 18:45 |
| Burgundavia | rocking, inbound | 18:45 |
| LaserJock | jcastro: hola | 18:46 |
| soren | Remind me again why we're using linux-libc-dev when building iptables? | 19:16 |
| fabbione | soren: kernel headers | 19:18 |
| fabbione | sync iptables stuff with kernel and luserland | 19:18 |
| soren_ | fabbione: ...but iptables doesn't depend on any particular kernel version, and we don't even require our users to be using an ubuntu supplied kernel.. | 19:28 |
| fabbione | soren_: BZZZZZZT | 19:28 |
| fabbione | soren_: some iptables features builds only if kernel > version foo | 19:28 |
| fabbione | that's because feature is simply not available before | 19:29 |
| fabbione | and you need includes for that | 19:29 |
| fabbione | soren_: if you are merging iptables.. then i have been there.. done that.. you need that | 19:29 |
| * fabbione does a Jedi's mind trick to soren_ to convince him | 19:30 | |
| IntuitiveNipple | soren: Quick question for you. I've just added some debdiffs to bug #156085 in kvm/qemu. I noticed you've applied the last few patches. Do you know who is responsible for bringing the kvm package up-to-date. Ubuntu is currently on kvm-28 whereas latest is kvm-48. | 19:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 156085 in qemu "Could not open /proc/bus/usb/devices" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156085 | 19:33 |
| slangasek | lamont: why do bsdmainutils and bsdutils conflict in unstable? | 19:34 |
| lamont | it's not conflict... | 19:34 |
| lamont | it's apt | 19:34 |
| wasabi | cool. latest hal is screwed up | 19:35 |
| lamont | slangasek: you looking at build logs, then? | 19:35 |
| IntuitiveNipple | soren__: I'm guessing you lost connection and missed my question? | 19:36 |
| slangasek | lamont: um... I looked at the build logs, and from there I tracked down the package contents and see that they do have a conflict. :) | 19:36 |
| slangasek | lamont: because bsdmainutils only conflicts with bsdutils (<< 1:2.13-2) | 19:37 |
| slangasek | and there's newer bsdutils | 19:37 |
| slangasek | which still include the files that are the subject of the conflict | 19:38 |
| lamont | slangasek: WHAT!. gah! | 19:41 |
| * lamont goes to fix0r things then | 19:41 | |
| slangasek | ok :) | 19:42 |
| superm1 | mr_pouit, i also packaged up xfce4-smartpm-plugin if you can ask it | 19:50 |
| === Solarion_ is now known as Solarion | ||
| soren | fabbione: Sorry, the network here and my wireless nic are not friends. | 19:52 |
| lamont | slangasek: ah... that's because I kept col et al | 19:52 |
| lamont | so... do I replace: bsdmainutils again, or do I give back col* | 19:52 |
| lamont | ? | 19:52 |
| lamont | UTF support seemed to be the biggest diff there. | 19:52 |
| fabbione | soren: see /msg | 19:52 |
| soren | fabbione: Oh, I got all your messages. My responses seem to have been lost. | 19:53 |
| slangasek | lamont: I don't care, just let me get felix built :-) | 19:53 |
| soren | fabbione: As I was trying to say, I realise that the build needs the right headers to be there, but iptables doesn't "Depends: linux-image (>= foo)" anyway. | 19:53 |
| soren | fabbione: ...so you don't know if it'll work at runtime anyway. | 19:54 |
| soren | fabbione: ...and we don't even require our users to be running our kernels. | 19:54 |
| IntuitiveNipple | soren: I'm guessing you lost connection and missed my question too? | 19:54 |
| soren | fabbione: So, the stuff that might build is completely independent of what will work at runtime. | 19:54 |
| soren | IntuitiveNipple: Nono, I saw it. I just couldn't respond, apparantly. | 19:55 |
| fabbione | soren: you don't care about runtime... you care that it builds all the userland modules that match our kernel. we don't support custom kernels anyway | 19:55 |
| IntuitiveNipple | soren: Ahhh, ok... is there a quick answer? :) | 19:55 |
| lamont | slangasek: currently, bsdutils "Replaces: bsdmainutils" | 19:55 |
| lamont | so do I just need a new upload? | 19:55 |
| * lamont grumbles | 19:55 | |
| slangasek | lamont: oh, right... um, then I guess I just need to kick elmo about getting the new package installed in the sparc chroot | 19:56 |
| slangasek | lamont: in that case I don't see any need for a new upload | 19:56 |
| soren | fabbione: Right. What I intend to to is to put the headers files into the iptables source package so that we get all the extensions built. Whether they'll work at runtime we don't know anyway (since the user might be running an older kernel or a custom one). | 19:57 |
| lamont | slangasek: if it was already installed, and then bsdmainutils upload happened, and then bsdutils was upgraded, then I think we get where we are | 19:57 |
| soren | IntuitiveNipple: I'll look in a minute. | 19:57 |
| fabbione | soren: no, that's wrong | 19:57 |
| soren | fabbione: ...about supporting custom kernels, mjg59 told me we do support that. | 19:57 |
| soren | fabbione: why? | 19:57 |
| lamont | slangasek: where you at? | 19:57 |
| fabbione | soren: eh? who said that? | 19:57 |
| soren | fabbione: mjg59. | 19:57 |
| slangasek | lamont: currently, or in three minutes? | 19:58 |
| lamont | heh. | 19:58 |
| fabbione | soren: because you want to know a kernel change will break your set of features | 19:58 |
| lamont | in 3-5 min | 19:58 |
| * lamont will be in linux-source-changes | 19:58 | |
| lamont | s/linux/kernel/ | 19:58 |
| fabbione | soren: anyway.. do what you think is right. just make sure to be able to collect all the broken pieces in the next merge | 19:59 |
| slangasek | lamont: I'm headed to Hunsaker C | 19:59 |
| lamont | slangasek: I'll go ahead and upload a new bsdutils that doesn't deliver col*, and then hijack all of bsdmainutils in 2.14 | 19:59 |
| soren | fabbione: *g* | 19:59 |
| StevenK | lamont: You're actually here? | 20:00 |
| fabbione | soren: just FYI in the past, using the proper kernel headers did uncover some bugs... | 20:01 |
| lamont | since sunday evening | 20:01 |
| soren | fabbione: Well, so has the current approach :) | 20:04 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-out | ||
| so1 | hi | 20:14 |
| so1 | does someone know if it's possible to install ubuntu on an asus eee? | 20:14 |
| so1 | and if yes, would it be intelligent to do so? | 20:14 |
| so1 | basically i want to know if the machine is locked up or not ... | 20:14 |
| === pedro is now known as pedro_ | ||
| pitti | Riddell: did you see the last comment in the SRU bug 155032? | 20:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155032 | 20:37 |
| Riddell | pitti: last comment doesn't look very interesting | 20:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: sorry, I mean the guy who says that the -proposed update doesn't work, but the PPA one does | 20:39 |
| pitti | Riddell: comment 26 | 20:39 |
| === keir_ is now known as keir | ||
| Riddell | pitti: hmm, yes | 20:44 |
| Riddell | pitti: I'll look into it | 20:44 |
| pitti | Riddell: thanks; I just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it, since it seems to be quite a critical bug | 20:50 |
| === Kmos_ is now known as Kmos | ||
| warp10 | pitti: Hi! may I call you in query? | 21:21 |
| === pedro is now known as pedro_ | ||
| * cyberix is lacking the brain power to parse version numberin chapter of the packaging guide. | 21:25 | |
| cyberix | First the example shows... | 21:25 |
| cyberix | hello (2.1.1-1) dapper; urgency=low | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | cyberix: please ask in #ubuntu-motu | 21:25 |
| cyberix | Ok | 21:25 |
| KristianL | hmm, I need wnck python bindings ... | 21:28 |
| pitti | warp10: sure | 21:30 |
| lamont | cjwatson_: you around? | 22:28 |
| lamont | someone is looking for you... | 22:28 |
| lonnie | Using the 7.10 live CD I move windows files to an external hard drive with a ntfs partion. After installing Ubuntu 7.10, I looked for the files on the external hard drive and NONE WERE THERE! | 22:39 |
| lonnie | I remember when I unmounted the external hard drive, it asked if I wanted empty trash and I said yes. | 22:39 |
| lonnie | Anyone know why these file wouldn't show? | 22:39 |
| lonnie | Only the files that the Ubuntu Live CD moved to the external hard drive are missing. | 22:40 |
| lonnie | ls -a | 22:41 |
| lonnie | any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. | 22:41 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: gimme a ping when you're around | 22:42 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Hrm? | 22:42 |
| === chuck__ is now known as zul | ||
| === predius__ is now known as predius_ | ||
| === predius_ is now known as predius | ||
| warsocket | could someone tell me what im missing when "gcc -m32 program.c" gives me a /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.3/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc If i try to compile on Ubuntu gutsy (64-bits) | 23:19 |
| === sdasdsad is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger | ||
| Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 23:55 |
| mdomsch | bryce, ping | 23:58 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!