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andresmujicaok.00:00
PriceChildnalioth, ah sorry, just removed it from towards #ubuntu and didn't think about it00:00
elkbuntugyah... i swear oo.o has got infinately slower between 2.2 and 2.300:02
gnomefreakwhy is +1 +f again and why -unregged?00:04
gnomefreakelkbuntu: it has because every new feature slows it down by 1 minute00:04
LjLgnomefreak, +f doesn't mean it *actually* forwards.00:04
LjLit only does if +i or +r is set00:04
elkbuntugnomefreak, yeah i know00:04
gnomefreak+f means what than?00:05
LjLgnomefreak: it just *sets a channel* to forward to - *if* some other mode is set that causes the forwarding to actually happen00:05
gnomefreakoh so if we set +r than we wouldnt have to set +f its there already00:05
gnomefreakok cool00:05
LjLyes00:05
gnomefreakits sunday my nonthinking day00:06
=== Pici- is now known as Pici
* Madpilot does /headdesk00:47
Tm_TMadpilot: whats the matter?00:47
Madpilottrying to help someone upgrade Feisty->Gutsy, and asking for 'more detail, please' gets me 'it does it's upgrade thing, then fails'00:48
Tm_T=)00:49
Madpilotactually, the exact quote was "it downloads the uprgrade thing..."00:49
FujitsuMadpilot: Are you able to remove Ubotwo from various channels that ubotu has rejoined?00:49
Madpilotprobably. which channels?00:49
Fujitsu#launchpad, for example.00:49
Fujitsu11:36:03 < ubotu> New bug: #158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15818100:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] 00:49
Fujitsu11:36:04 < Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] 00:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 158181 in launchpad "Let people ask questions without previously creating an account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15818100:50
Madpilotnope - I don't have ops there00:50
Madpilotheh00:50
FujitsuCan't you @part it, or something?00:50
Madpilotrecursive bot calling.00:50
PriceChildMadpilot, i can sort it00:50
PriceChildFujitsu, ^00:50
FujitsuPriceChild: Thanks.00:50
jdongI thought L*j*L already did a flurry of that this morning00:51
* jdong checks whois00:51
Tm_Tjdong: sirss00:51
jdongTm_T: who?00:52
Tm_Tjdong: hug me00:53
jdongPriceChild: you got it?00:53
* jdong hugs Tm_T 00:53
PriceChildjdong, hmm?00:53
Tm_Tjdong: big thank you00:53
jdongPriceChild: parting ubotwo?00:54
PriceChildyeah i have @join,part on it00:54
jdongPriceChild: mmkay, then I'm back to starcraft :)00:54
jdong(shut up about asianness)00:54
PriceChild:O You're the only one who's ever made jokes about that! :)00:54
PriceChildThankyou very much.00:55
Tm_Tasia?00:55
jdongI am psychic :)00:55
LjLi didn't part ubotwo from everywhere because i didn't see ubotu joining00:55
LjLanyway ubotwo should be able to be kicked and not rejoin00:56
LjLjdong, so can you by the way00:56
jdongyeah, I noticed that, a bit of disjointness (#ubuntustudio and others)00:56
jdongLjL: indeed, but master Pricey said he got it covered :)00:56
naliothoverlords and kittens00:57
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu02:36
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu03:22
Madpilotdealt wtih03:25
Madpilotwith, even03:25
Madpilotdriveby03:25
tonyyarusso@btlogin05:29
naliothsleeep05:34
tonyyarussosomeday05:36
ubotubuttercups called the ops in #ubuntu07:49
ubotuEvanlec called the ops in #ubuntu07:49
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: dare I ask what it was?07:50
elkbuntui didnt go to it, i was eww'ing at the mess07:50
tonyyarussoah07:50
tonyyarussoAny improvements in your life this week?07:51
* rob wonders why installing fam wants to uninstall half of his desktop07:57
gnomefreakdid we find the UDS channel yet?08:16
Davieyyes08:17
Daviey#uds-boston ..08:17
gnomefreakty08:17
ompaulgnomefreak, they are not awake yet methinks :)08:21
gnomefreaki know same time zone ;)08:22
ompaulgnomefreak, never would have guessed :)08:22
robthere is #FOSSCamp too which seems to be related10:11
gnomefreakim there10:11
gnomefreak:)10:11
* rob wonders what "Please point your sources.list at archive.ubuntu.com" is about10:11
* gnomefreak waiting for email so i can go back to bed10:11
gnomefreakrob: devels to upgrade maybe?10:11
robduring the conference?10:12
gnomefreakit hasnt started so i really dont know ;)10:12
rob"point sources.list to archive.ubuntu.com for non-opaque proxy happyness"10:14
* rob wonders what non-opaque proxy happyness is10:14
ompaulfosscamp was until today which is uds10:16
ompaulwho knows 10:17
Fujitsurob: non-opaque == transparent. They're running a transparent proxy locally, caching archive.ubuntu.com, to hopefully relieve some of the load from their slow connection in Boston.10:53
jussi01what the? #ubuntu is dead... weird...10:57
jussi01Ive never seen so little activity in there...10:58
Fujitsujussi01: Woah, yes.10:59
FujitsuNo real activity in almost half an hour.11:00
jussi01I wonder whats going on...11:00
PriceChild"nothing"11:00
PriceChildin both senses of the word11:01
jussi01PriceChild: hehe...11:03
=== GazzaK is now known as Gary
sladenljl: so carrying on in here;  the flood protection should bump people to something other than #ubuntu-unregged14:33
sladenand the unregged "protection" can bounce people to -unregged14:33
Tm_Thi sladen 14:34
LjLsladen: why? registering is a good idea for anyone, anyway... and if someone gets +J-forwarded, it often means that there is a botnet attack in progress, so they should definitely register, because the channel will be +R14:34
PriceChildwe can't set a different forward for +r and +J though.14:34
LjLthat, too.14:34
PriceChildIf someone finds there way into -unregged who is already registered.... if they have any nouse they'll try joining #ubuntu again and succeed.14:35
sladen<LjL@> sladen: no, +J doesn't *really* check if you're identified or not, it just forwards you into here if there are too many joins14:35
LjLsladen: i could just tell people to "please try again join #ubuntu" instead of "please register and join #ubuntu" like i did, but why lose the change to get some more users to actually register?14:35
LjLsladen: yes, and "too many joins", if +J is well-tuned, usually means a bot attack.14:35
LjLs/change/chance/14:36
sladenas you've noted, botnets can register people too14:36
sladenso there's two different issues:14:36
PriceChildbut most don't as its a hassle and gets spotted14:36
PriceChildyes we use -unregged for two things...14:36
sladen(a) what to do when there are many people joining in 10seconds (possible when there's a botnet flodding, or when there are 150 people reconnecting from the same conference after the wifi comes back up)14:37
LjLsladen: anyway as PriceChild said, there is a *technical* limitation that doesn't allow us to use two different channels for the two "types" of forwarding. so no matter how long we discuss the relative merits of either approach... that technical limitation remains14:37
sladen(b) asking people to register, so that the same nick always will be the same person14:37
LjLsladen: well, what we currently do is ask people to *register anyway* (unless they aren't already, i should have mentioned that perhaps, granted), and then rejoin14:38
PriceChildLjL, unless we want slower responses to botnets by normally having +f #ubuntu-tryagain and then setting +rRf #ubuntu-unregged when needed.14:38
LjLit won't hurt to register, will it? it's two nickserv commands14:38
sladenso lets fix the technical limitation.   (Ubuntu is the main user of Freenode)14:38
LjLtwo14:38
LjLpossibly one14:38
LjLPriceChild: but 14:39
PriceChild(which sounds silly to me)14:39
LjLPriceChild: but *while* +R is set, and +J is also set, people will be forwarded to -unregged anyway14:39
sladenand in the mean time fix it with the documentation  "you could have come to -unregged for two reasons: either you joined during a botnet attack, or your nick is not registered"14:39
PriceChildCould I point out that 3 people *seem* to have been caught by +J in half a month.... and as it happens none of them actually wanted to use #ubuntu really... they've just idled :/14:40
PriceChildand in the meantime, I can't remember a single "reasonably sized" botnet in #ubuntu...14:41
PriceChildjust one person jobs14:41
PriceChildwhile they have attacked freenode servers in their thousands in other channels14:41
LjLPriceChild: ehm, i'm not sure of the latter, but anyway14:41
PriceChildthere was definitely a colossal botnet a few days ago....14:41
PriceChilddidn't see a trace of it in #ubuntu14:42
LjLPriceChild: no, that one didn't try #ubuntu14:42
PriceChildCouldn't hurt to add a line to -unregged's topic saying "if you are already registered, please check you're identified they /join #ubuntu again"14:42
PriceChildnot that people read topics...14:42
LjLPriceChild: i've added something similar, though less detailed14:43
LjL /topic If you haven't already, then please register your nickname to join #ubuntu - We are experiencing technical difficulties. Instructions at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup (the commands explained there must be typed in your IRC program's status window, or if you don't have that, here - Use « /join #ubuntu » to eventually join the support channel)14:44
sladenLjL: the heavyweight IRC users are reading by highlights, rather than /reading/ a channel14:54
sladenLjL: groovy14:54
LjLsladen: true, but what are you trying to say with that?14:54
sladenLjL: that the IRC client needs to be able to reliably rejoin a channel that it thinks it should be connected to14:56
sladenLjL: the redirect is breaking that14:56
LjLsladen: when joining #ubuntu-unregged, a NOTICE is automatically sent. that triggers a highlight on most clients, i think.14:56
sladenLjL: when a redirect happens, it would be useful to 'prefix:' the person and warn them that something has been messing with how IRC has worked for 18yeas14:57
LjLsladen: and, as you've just seen, we do ping users who are in -unregged manually when we notice14:57
sladenLjL: yup, which is useful, I wouldn't have known otherwise14:58
LjLsladen: that could be done automatically by the bot, in theory, but it would be very easy for malicious people to exploit it in order to flood the bot... i suppose we can consider that option, though14:58
ompaulubotu join #uds-boston15:01
ompaul?15:02
ompaulLjL, how do I get it to do that?15:02
ubotuebirtaid called the ops in #ubuntu15:02
LjLompaul, you can't if you aren't an admin on it...15:03
ompaulahh15:03
ompaulright so 15:03
ompaulwe need it to can you get it to 15:04
LjLompaul: no. i can join ubotwo though15:04
ompaulplease do I will give it a factoid15:04
LjLompaul: please type also /msg ubotwo register ompaul password - i've lost my user list15:04
LjLompaul: ok you can join/part ubotwo yourself now (i've made it join #uds-boston already though)15:05
* LjL is away noe15:05
ompaulsee that thanks15:06
ompaulLjL, tell it I am an editor please15:07
HobbseeUbotwo: addedito ompaul 15:07
HobbseeUbotwo: addeditor ompaul 15:07
Hobbsee%addeditor15:07
ubotuInvalid arguments for addeditor.15:07
ompaulmethinks it is not the same15:08
ompaulanyway in #ubuntu or ubuntu-devel15:08
ompauldo this15:08
jdongno0tic: can we help you?15:19
* no0tic is an -it op15:19
jdongno0tic: ha, just noticed I still have the trigger on15:33
jdong─────15:33
jdong11:19 <+jdong> no0tic: can we help you?15:33
jdong11:19 -!- no0tic [i=no0tic@unaffiliated/no0tic] has joined #ubuntu-ops15:33
ubotukane77 called the ops in #ubuntu15:57
mneptokhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071029/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_germany_halloween;_ylt=AtQm3mtzPHmWHPfs_V7d2K.s0NUE19:39
Tm_T!test19:49
ubotuFailed.19:49
Tm_Tstdin: hello?19:59
stefgHi.. i just noticed the !vmware factoid is outdated. vmware-player was taken away from the repos (was old and had a security leak) so it's no longer in the repos. Someone should change that and put a link instead, or so20:10
stefg!vmware20:10
ubotuVMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers20:10
stefgno longer true20:10
naliothstefg: suggest a new one?20:11
stefgermmm.... d/l from vmware, get build-essentials and install manually ? ... too much for a factoid20:12
stefglemme see ....20:12
stefghmmm ... the trouble is you need to build the kernel modules, and that requires manually putting a symlink linux in /usr/src to the kernel-headers. Can't find a howto to link to yet20:18
Tm_Tjust remove the outdated part, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware should contain install instructions20:20
stefgso https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player is outdated, too20:20
Tm_Tit is?20:21
Tm_Tstefg: update it =)20:21
stefgNot a native speaker. i'd do in german, but my written english .... omg20:22
Tm_Tstefg: well bad english is better than false guides20:22
stefgheh20:22
Tm_Tstefg: so please do :)20:22
stefg!info vmware-player feisty20:23
ubotuvmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (feisty), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)20:24
stefgah... so that's only true for gutsy+20:24
ikoniaompaul: didn't see you there20:33
ompaulikonia,been here most weekend20:34
ompaulwe had a long weekend here this one - so :)20:34
ompaulhappy days20:34
ikoniaahhh right20:34
ikoniaeverything ok ?20:34
ompaulyeap20:37
ikoniamega20:38
Tm_Terrr20:48
Tm_T!ping20:49
ubotupong20:49
Tm_Tbantracker is down?20:49
Tm_Tand just when I say it, its alive =)20:49
LjLstefg: are you sure it isn't in canonical's Commercial, or vmware itself doesn't have a package, or something?20:52
LjLhm kind of seems not20:54
jussi01and afaik the any-any patch is needed on gutsy also...20:55
ubotuebirtaid called the ops in #ubuntu20:58
Tm_T2300 -!- MilesG [n=miles@d60-65-93-136.col.wideopenwest.com] has left #kubuntu [""im going to go cry, thanks Tm_T""]21:00
jussi01Tm_T: what did you do???21:00
mneptokonly counts when he comes in here to complain about you21:00
mneptoknice try, though. :)21:01
Tm_T2259 < Tm_T> MilesG: please stop your random noise21:01
jussi01hehe21:01
stefgjussi01, LjL , afaik, vmplayer 2 compiles withou any-any . only 2.6.23.1 requires it again21:12
jussi01stefg: ahh, nice to know. 21:13
ikoniaboys, am I being dumb in wondering why help.ubuntu.com doesn't have the 7.10 docs up ?21:13
mneptokikonia: uintil i know otherwise, i'm assuming it',s because of something you did21:15
ikoniathats fair, I'll carry the can21:15
mneptokwoo! back to blissful ignorance!21:16
mneptokthanks, dude.21:16
mneptok:)21:16
ikoniano sweat21:16
ikoniaworth logging a bug ?21:16
ikoniaor perhaps worth whispering in someones ear21:16
ikoniawhat team is responsible for help.ubuntu.com ?21:17
ompaulikonia, it does not have 7.10 docs21:19
jdongikonia: docteam?21:19
ompaulmneptok, ^^ bug confirmed :)21:19
* ompaul rusn21:19
ompaulthen 21:19
* ompaul runs21:19
ikoniaseems a bit slack, compared to normal release to release with out docs21:20
ikoniaI'm sure they are aware but I'll search for an official bug first. thanks21:20
ompaulikonia, #ubuntu-docs methinks21:21
ikoniagratzi 21:21
* ompaul hopes his memory is right21:21
ikonianope - channel doesn't exist21:22
ompauldrop the s21:22
ompaulsorry 21:22
ikoniawell done21:22
mneptokif there's an #ubuntu-doc, then i'm *definitely* starting #ubuntu-grumpy21:24
ikoniamneptok: register that bad boy21:29
ikonia#ubuntu-doc exists and has nice guys in 21:29
ikoniaI'd be interested in join #ubuntu-grumpy21:31
Seeker`#ubuntu-sleepy FTW21:32
ikonianah, you'd get all the "noobs" from #ubuntu-grumpy complaining that no-one is ever awake21:32
Seveas#ubuntu-snowwhite21:33
Seveasneh, mneptok will want to hog #ubuntu-cinderella21:33
ikoniayou shall go to the lug21:34
jdong#ubuntu-disney-copyright-violation21:34
Seveashahahah21:34
ikoniaha ha21:34
Tm_T:(21:34
jdonghttp://www.unhappybirthday.com/21:34
ikoniawalts boys have no cash to come after you !21:34
ikoniaits a free for all21:34
Tm_Thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo21:37
mneptokHost 'snowwhite', running Linux 2.6.20-16-server - Cpu0: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2660 MHz; Up: 43d+23:18; Users: 4; Load: 0.21; Free: [Mem: 227/16241 Mio] [Swap: 1906/1906 Mio] [: / Mio] [/boot: 172/236 Mio]; Vpenis: 688 cm;21:39
mneptokcheck that hostname, kiddos :)21:39
ikoniado you have a disney "problem"21:41
ikoniawhoooaaa "bf - a fast brainfuck interperater"21:45
ikoniawhile I appriciate "brainfuck" does that not seem odd for ubuntu to host in a repo ?21:45
Seeker`ikonia: why would it?21:45
ikoniathe name21:46
Seeker`its a valid program21:46
ikoniatotally21:46
ikoniaand I appriciate brainfuck is not "fuck"21:46
ikoniabut seems a tad odd21:46
Seeker`hmm21:47
ikoniamaybe I'm reading too much into it21:47
ikoniajust caught me off guard while updating my laptop21:47
* Seeker` wrote a brainfuck interpreter21:48
LjLikonia, some words are to be avoided in the *ubuntu channels*, but that says nothing about what package names allowed in the repositories...21:48
ompaulSeeker`, called beef?21:48
ikoniaLjL: I see, but for example would dicussion on brainfuck get me a slap on the wrist in #ubuntu21:48
Seeker`ompaul: no21:48
ompaulikonia, I would suggest that we should cease and desist before we have to find out21:49
jussi01please someone enlighten me as to what exactly brainfuck is?21:49
LjLikonia: if you ask me, that's a resounding NO. actually i often used brainfuck as an example of the fact that we aren't censoring sequences of letters per se, but the way they're used21:49
ikoniaahhh sorry, wasn't testing the water21:49
ompaulapt-cache search brainfuck21:49
ikoniajust curious as while the name is "valid" it seems a tad odd for ubuntu to "allow" it due to the coc21:49
Seeker`jussi01: An esoteric programming langugae21:49
ompauljussi01, ^^21:49
LjLjussi01: a little programming language that sort of resembles a more brainfucking version of a turing machine21:49
Seeker`jussi01: it consists of "<>+-.,[]"21:50
jussi01ahhh, sounds fun...21:50
* ompaul goes back to writing the document that should have been written ages ago.21:50
Seeker`jussi01: its virtually unreadable21:50
ikoniawas it in fesity, I didn't notice it, as I said, just caught me off guard updating the laptop21:50
LjLikonia, CoC != IRC guidelines. the CoC says to "be respectful", but respecting the wish of the creator of brainfuck to call it that is a form of respect too21:51
Seeker`jussi01: people have written programs to print out ascii fractals21:51
ikoniaLjL: thats a very fair comment21:51
ikoniahowever the use of "offensive" language is in the coc, and well, seems a bit of a stretch on the word "Brain fuck" 21:52
ikonianot got a problem with it21:52
ikoniajust chatting21:52
ikoniaI assume I'm not causing offense21:52
ompaulikonia, at this stage it is highlighting my irc too regularly :)21:52
ikoniathen its stopped21:52
ikoniaI'll refer to "BF"21:52
ompaul:) call it bf21:52
ompaulthanks21:53
ikoniano problem, I forgot about highlighting21:53
ompaulI am trying to write up my comments for tomorrows review21:53
LjLikonia: ehm actually where is that in the coc?21:53
ikoniathe dings from BF must be distracting21:53
ompaulthey are21:53
ompaulback to it21:53
ikoniaLjL: hang on, let me have a mooch I may be wrong, just quoting from memory21:53
ikoniaperhaps I'm mixing up IRC guidelines and the COC21:53
Seeker`the CoC does'nt reference bad language directly (from what I remember)21:54
LjLikonia: i suspect you are21:54
Seeker`which is why we had probles deciding what language to allow in -uk21:54
ikoniayou could be right, I'm just quoting from memory21:54
Seeker`ikonia: s/memory/imagination :)21:54
ikoniaI suppose you could argue in "uk" that "git" could be considered offensive21:54
ikoniaSeeker`: tottally21:55
Tm_T:(21:55
Seeker`we basically decided that language up to a point that isn't directed at anyone is ok, otherwise it isn;t21:55
ikoniathere are a few products that I guess could cause issues moderating21:56
LjLikonia: anyway, what to say about the 'pornview' package? i mean, i suppose there is no swearword there, but :)21:56
ikoniapoint taken21:56
mjr"pimppa - powerful tool to loot binaries from newsgroups smartly" ← slang for female genitals in Finnish. Just a data point :]21:58
LjLof course i only know that package because i stumbled upon it during random apt searches21:58
ikoniaLjL: too late to back track21:58
LjLi mean, i'd never use a GTK application to view images21:58
LjLmjr: then what about another binary newsgroup fetcher, "klibido"?21:59
mjrSeeker`, seems reasonable to me22:00
rob<gouki> Hi rob. I'm interested in registering #ubuntu-gamers, however, the person who registered hasn't showed up in 2 years.22:00
robdunno if he talked to any of you guys22:01
ikoniarob: just request it get de-listed22:01
robikonia, well it is up to the Ubuntu group contact what they want to do with it, so I'm looking at you irc council members :)22:02
ikoniaahhh so its registered by an ubuntu member22:02
ikoniasorry, I thought you where saying it was A-N Random22:02
Seveasikonia, no, it's in the ubuntu namespace22:02
Seveasso it's "our territory"22:02
robyes, Ubuntu namespace :)22:02
ikoniamy mistake22:02
LjLrob: he didn't talk to me. i'm not particularly in favor of registering obscure #ubuntu* channels without really making sure creating those channel is legitimate, anyway - although it appears that this particular one is registered already...22:03
SeveasLjL, there's nothing really against registering. The channel is now empty with a contact that's not available. Qualifies for removing registration after which it's fair game :)22:04
robLjL, yes it is but the registeree hasn't been seen in some time and he wants to take over it, so I'm running it by here first. I'm assuming the irc council should be taking over it directly and maybe assigning him ops if they want.22:04
robeither way, ubuntu namespace = your channels, so I'm doing you all the courtesy of deciding what you want to do with it22:06
robrather then just giving it to him :)22:06
Seveas:)22:06
SeveasI don't object against giving it away, but I'm almost no longer council :)22:07
LjLSeveas, but was that channel *ever* an official channel? i don't think so. it's certainly not listed on the wiki at the very least. people *do* have the option of using ## channels for unofficial stuff, don't they?22:08
PriceChildWhat's up? :/22:09
LjLPriceChild: <gouki> Hi rob. I'm interested in registering #ubuntu-gamers, however, the person who registered hasn't showed up in 2 years.22:09
Seeker`PriceChild: the sky22:09
LjLSeeker`: hope it isn't raining then22:09
Seeker`LjL: not at the moment22:10
Seeker`hmm, actually, i may go try to find a comet22:10
PriceChildty ljl22:10
SeveasLjL, they do but why not be liberal in allowing people to create channels in the #ubuntu namespace?22:10
Seveasthey do so anyway, so why not allow this registration to be dropped according to freenode guidelines for dropping channels and make it available22:11
naliothi don't have a problem with #ubuntu-whatever, so long as it's run in accordance with the CoC and !guidelines22:11
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu22:11
robmy thought is that if a Ubuntu member has some legitimate ubuntu-related use for a #ubuntu- channel, why not let him at least use it with ops (registered to the council) or even let him register it.22:13
LjLSeveas, they do so, but nalioth for instance has been hunting for unofficial channels a few times. actually i agree with what he just said - if it's in the #ubuntu namespace, it should *somewhat* be a sane Ubuntu-like channel IMHO. remember *cough* all the #ubuntu-offtopic variations that have been created in the past?22:13
SeveasLjL, true, but that's not really the case here22:14
LjLrob: i hadn't checked whether he was an ubuntu member. i saw that the *current* contact didn't have a cloak last time he joined22:14
SeveasLjL, markuman left the ubuntu community a long time ago22:14
LjLi see22:15
Seveasgouki is an active community member, possibly ubuntu member as well22:15
naliothhe is a member22:15
LjLSeveas: yes, he is a member, i checked now22:15
Seveasthat makes it a no-brainer to me22:15
gnomefreakmarkuman was xubuntu owner iirc he ended up giving it to crimson22:15
gnomefreakcrimsun22:16
Seveaslet's have him enjoy his latest project :)22:16
Seveasgnomefreak, yup22:16
Seveasover a year ago iirc22:16
gnomefreakyep22:16
LjLrob: you can drop the current registration as far as i'm concerned22:16
robnalioth, any objections?22:16
gnomefreakok dinner 22:16
naliothrob: whatever is easier.  drop or assign ownership22:17
robnalioth, seeing as he is no longer online, I'll just do the latter22:17
LjLyeah22:17
LjLi think i wouldn't be so sure about it if it weren't an ubuntu member though22:17
LjL#ubuntu-gaming is registered my markuman too btw22:18
LjL#ubuntu-games is register by eleaf22:18
robokay done22:18
PriceChildeleaf....22:19
PriceChildsounds familiar22:19
LjLPriceChild: even too much so, doesn't it?22:19
PriceChildgood familiar or bad familiar...22:19
naliothPriceChild: bad familiar22:19
PriceChild:/22:19
LjLi don't know, for some reason when i think "familiar" on IRC i always think "bad familiar"22:19
robeleaf is not a ubuntu member, has several #ubuntu- channels registered22:19
nalioththere are dozens of #ubuntu* channels out there22:19
PriceChildLjL, mhmm22:19
robyeah22:19
naliothso long as no problems are coming from them . . . 22:19
naliothmost of them have 0 users22:20
LjLyeah...22:20
naliothmost of them have 0 interest22:20
Tm_Tnalioth: can we take them over just for fun?22:21
naliothTm_T: i personally don't have fun doing it...22:21
Tm_Tnalioth: then dont :)22:21
PriceChildTm_T, what, give you the powers to do it yourself? :)22:22
Tm_Tno22:22
Tm_Tif you dont find it needed, then dont do, I dont have any needs either really22:22
Tm_Tand yes, prolly would hurt more than gain22:22
robits kinda fun to do so if you know the owner has been abusing/trolling some project and the project requests the channel back :)22:23
Tm_Trob: I would imagine so22:23
PriceChildubuntu_demon bumped his hard drive posts on planet again...22:25
Tm_TPriceChild: agh, they do that too?22:26
PriceChildTm_T, ?22:26
Tm_Tbumping22:28
ompaulI am off22:29
ompaulleater22:29
PiciHis hackergotchi scares me.22:29
ompaullater cheers22:29
Picileather ompaul 22:29
Seeker`why does he keep on bumping it?22:35
Tm_TSeeker`: because its Kool! ?22:38
DavieyPriceChild: would it be wrong of us to just remove him from the planet? :)22:45
DavieyIIRC planetplanet has the option of not allowing timestamp change22:45
PiciIs he actually changing anything, like a small edit, or just bumping?22:46
Tm_Tany staff here?22:47
unagi=(22:47
Tm_Tunagi: hi :))22:47
unagihello Tm_T how are you22:47
Tm_Tunagi: I'm fine thanks22:47
unagiTm_T: great to hear22:48
Tm_Tunagi: you?22:48
unagiTm_T: im doing well.......im back in honolulu and i have a date in an hour22:49
unagistill bummed that i lost those pictures though =(22:49
Tm_Tsorry to hear that22:49
mneptokunagi: how can we help you?22:50
unagii was hoping to have the ban on me lifted =(22:50
mneptokunagi: seeing that when asked to change your behavior the response was "you can't ban me, just try" do you see a reason we should lift it?22:51
unagii suppose i am asking in good faith that most of what happened was a misunderstanding and that if it was lifted there wouldnt be anymore problems22:52
mneptokunagi: the misunderstanding is yours. when asked to stop behavior by ops, you either do so, or accept the consequences.22:53
Tm_Thm22:54
unagiif the behavior mentioned was truely happening it would have stopped.........the misunderstanding was what the intent of my comments were22:54
Tm_Tmneptok: if you ask my opinion, lift atleast in #ubuntu22:55
mneptok22:15 < mrunagi> you cant ban me22:55
mneptok22:15 < mrunagi> ill be back22:55
mneptok22:15 < mrunagi> after i reconnect22:55
mneptok22:15 < mrunagi> but u can waste ur time if u want22:55
mneptok22:15 < mrunagi> i work on a cruise ship and get online with my cell phone so......yea22:55
mneptokthere is no misunderstanding there.22:55
mneptokthat's you stating clearly that you intend to evade a ban22:56
Seveascan't really misunderstand that22:56
Tm_Ttrue22:56
unagiso......yea......if you dont want to hear my explaination and want to instead ban me........thats fine.....but i will be back to finish my explaination22:56
unagiit seems to me that ops cant agree on what the initial ban was about22:56
unagigranted there were many reasons to actually ban me i am and will only comment on the first and inital ban22:57
Tm_Tunagi: you havent stated what channel you are talkinf even22:57
unagiim referring to offtopic22:57
mneptokunagi: and that paste is from -offtopic22:57
unagiwhich i dont really know why i was banned from ubuntu anyway22:57
unagii understand that22:57
unagihere is where the misunderstandings start22:58
Seveasunagi, then maybe you should reread the logs to understand it...22:58
unagithe misunderstanding isnt from me22:58
mneptoki banned you from -offtopic22:59
mneptokwhat did i misunderstand?22:59
Tm_TSeveas: I think the problem is that he's banned in #ubuntu because of ban evading (but what was the original ban there?)22:59
mneptokTm_T: he's banned from #ubuntu because he stated he would start trolling there because he was banned from -offtopic.23:00
Tm_TI see23:00
mneptokhe discussed it with Pricey, if memory serves23:00
Seveaspretty much a standard action when trolls get banned23:00
PriceChildAh hello there unagi :)23:00
Tm_TSeveas: yes23:00
Tm_TPriceChild: hi to you too23:00
* mneptok makes a note of a new PChild highlight23:00
Seveasso far only a handful go into klineable23:01
LjLactually23:01
PriceChildmneptok, :P23:01
Tm_Tanyway I repeat, I hope he get his ban lifted from #ubuntu23:01
LjLit seems to me that unagi was banned on october 19 on quite valid grounds, and that ban was never removed23:01
LjL(on #ubuntu)23:01
PriceChildmneptok, its cuz my connection used to be so poor, I would reconnect with alt nick... yet still have people talking to me as "PriceChild" so I keep both as hilights.23:01
SeveasI hope he does not. Doesn't show any signs of having improved on his behavior23:01
PriceChildunagi, still around?23:02
mneptokunagi: let's sum this up. you made dicey statements in -offtopic. an op asked you to stop. you claimed you wouldn't, as the comments were miscnostrued. you then said you'd avoid any ban by reconnecting. at which point i banned you, and you found my IRC-fu was better than your ISPs IP range. at which point you became conciliatory.23:03
LjLmneptok: but even without that, there is a ban from october 19 on #ubuntu that the bot doesn't show as lifted, so he was ban evading to begin with23:03
PriceChildI am also very unhappy at how you persistently refuse to accept that you might just possibly not be totally correct unagi.23:03
PriceChildLjL, agreed.23:04
mneptoklet's be frank. you're here and asking nicely because i know how to set a proper banmask. which doesn't fill me with confidence in your promise to change.23:04
PriceChild*waits for a response*23:04
Seveas<unagi> so......yea......if you dont want to hear my explaination and want to instead ban me........thats fine.....but i will be back to finish my explaination23:06
SeveasI don't consider that asking nicely23:07
Seveasmore a concealed troll-threat23:07
Tm_TSeveas: that's big minus I agree23:07
unagi_well consider the context it was in23:07
mneptokSeveas: we have to be willing to slide the "nicely" definition scale, i think ;)23:07
unagi_i was being attacked23:07
unagi_by 3 or 4 people23:07
Seveasheh, attacked...23:07
unagi_uh23:07
unagi_yea23:07
unagi_attacked.....23:08
unagi_people saying that i am a sexist that objectifies women23:08
Seveasif that's attacked, your actions are a war23:08
Tm_Tunagi: hum, you werent attacked23:08
unagi_no?23:08
Seveasand nobody called you a sexist...23:08
unagi_apparently23:08
unagi_we are in a misunderstanding again23:08
Seveaswe explained why the ban wouldn't be lifted23:08
unagi_i was commenting on what my 'threat' to evade23:08
unagi_meant23:09
PriceChildunagi_, you most definitely wern't being attacked... you've taken the opportunity to attack us, telling us we were wrong, that we _all_ misread everything you wrote.23:09
Seveasso to sum up....23:09
LjLwhere is the -offtopic ban, incidently?23:09
Tm_T:(23:09
Seveaswell well23:09
PriceChild*is content with that*23:09
Seveas2 different isp's?23:09
PriceChildThat could have lasted an hour easy.23:09
LjLSeveas: i'm searching for the nickname23:09
PriceChildhow rare23:09
ikoniakept me quietly ammused23:09
Tm_TSeveas: he's in ship as said, always different ISP23:10
LjLPriceChild: your client doesn't have /me, by the way? :P23:10
SeveasTm_T, I don't beleive that23:10
PriceChildLjL, it does, but sometimes i choose no to use it :)23:10
PriceChildI spent an hour or so the other day in pm with him and there's no way on earth he's going to even consider the possibility that he might have been wrong23:10
Tm_TSeveas: I believe by his always changing ISP23:10
Seveasyou have to deliberately dial in with a different isp for that23:10
Seveasdoesn't happen automatically23:11
LjLPriceChild: is that a forum thing? are you going to <quote></quote> the message you're replying to, too? :P23:11
PriceChildLjL, [quote] actually.23:11
LjLyeah whatever23:11
PriceChild:P23:11
PriceChildNah its just a me thing :)23:11
Seveas[PriceChild]me me me[/PriceChild] 23:11
PriceChildme me me me....... meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee23:12
LjLmeh23:12
PriceChildno, me23:12
LjLmyself and i23:12
Seveashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCayacFcCX423:13
Seveas:p23:13
PriceChild*dances*23:14
Seveas:)23:14
SeveasLjL is animal :)23:14
SeveasI'll be zoot :)23:15
mneptokI'M A MAGICAL FAIRY PRINCESS!23:15
Seveasyes dear23:16
PriceChild*plays it again*923:16
PriceChildLjL, ^23:16
mc44mneptok has such creative uses for his halo23:16
Pici:o23:17
LjLmc44: i'm still trying to find out what highlights you.23:18
LjLanyway i'm not a drummer. no no no.23:18
SeveasLjL, 'fairy23:19
Seveas'23:19
LjLyou think? i was leaning on princess right now23:19
PriceChildhmmmm sudoking in -bots....23:19
LjLPriceChild: oh, for a moment i thought there was a sudoku bot in -bots.23:19
Seveas:)23:20
PriceChildHe was abusing ubotwo the other day.... and nal was watching him for some reason too...23:20
naliothLjL: no, just a troll23:20
PriceChildNow there he is again.23:20
Seveas@admin ignore add sudoking23:20
ubotuOK23:20
Seveas:)23:20
LjLwell as long as he's in the designated playgr -- nevermind23:20
PriceChildlol23:20
PriceChildI'll have to take ubotwo away from ljl if you don't care and look after him.23:21
PriceChild*from you ljl23:21
PriceChildHaha :)23:22
Tm_T:(23:27
Tm_TI dont like how this unagi case turned out23:27
Seveashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcY_DNF8aY23:27
Tm_TSeveas: hum, btw23:27
Tm_TSeveas: possibility of gaining accees to ubotu? writing factoids and like23:28
* Pici waits for Seveas to list the editors here again...23:28
SeveasPici, I can't23:28
PiciSeveas: aw...23:28
Seveasit forces the reply to go into pm :)23:28
Tm_TPici: er?23:29
PriceChildunagi's in pm....23:29
Tm_TPriceChild: he's in mine23:29
Tm_TPriceChild: and everything is fine by me23:29
PiciTm_T: @listeditors (or something similar) used to list all of the current factoid editors... in channel... pinging them al.23:29
Picis/al/all23:29
Tm_TPici: ah, yes23:29
Tm_T@editors23:29
Tm_T?23:30
Tm_Tah yes23:30
Tm_Tand I'm not one of them23:30
SeveasI just love youtube, been listening to about 20 muppet songs now :) 23:30
PriceChildSeveas, haha don't have too much of a good thing23:30
Pici<3 Waldorf & Statler23:30
Seveasanyone have objections against tm_t as editor?23:31
naliothwaaah what a troll23:31
Seveasnalioth, you liiked in the mirror again? 23:31
Tm_Tif does, I would then leave my op rights too23:31
nalioth /whois SudoSu23:31
Seveaslooked*23:31
Tm_TI mean23:31
Tm_Tif I cant be trusted with infobot, I cant be trusted as op of major channels23:31
Seveastrue23:32
Tm_Tso anyone like to have me out, speak =)23:32
LjLTm_T: now that's a dangerous statement to make23:32
SeveasYOU SUCK!23:32
Tm_TLjL: I know23:32
Tm_TLjL: thats why I made it23:32
Seveashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n1y3U4FarU23:32
Seveas!!!!23:32
LjLi have no objections as long as i can revert his edits to death.23:33
Tm_T=)23:33
LjLalso - "if does, I would then leave my op rights too" - that's a very obvious objection :P23:33
LjLdyslexia doesn't help with the bot :P23:34
Tm_Twhats dyslexia?23:34
PiciDyslexics of the world, untie!23:34
PriceChildbad pici23:34
Pici:D23:34
PriceChild:/23:35
LjLTm_T: writing "whats" instead of "what's"23:35
Seveas@addeditor Tm_T 23:35
ubotuOK23:35
Seeker`@editors23:35
LjLnooo23:35
Tm_TLjL: I see, that's because I did at one time use too much '-sign23:36
Tm_TLjL: so I'm bit cautios at times with it23:36
Tm_TSeveas: I thank you sir23:36
LjLTm_T: you could exchanges ideas about that with mc4423:36
mc44my use of apostrophe's i's perfect23:37
Tm_Thum?23:37
Tm_TLjL: whats your meanings, sirss?23:37
LjLmc44: not by any mark worse than my use of final s, no.23:37
LjLTm_T: mine is just "over-fast keyboard auto-completing reflex", it's a good thing23:38
Tm_TLjL: :)23:38
LjLit's like x-chat autocompleting nicknames wrong, except you don't need x-chat to do it23:38
Tm_TLjL: well, I have two "native" languages here and english is third, first of foreign ones23:39
elkbuntudid anyone fix the opabuse factoid yet?23:40
Tm_T!opabuse23:40
ubotuleave the ops alone ktnxbye23:40
elkbuntuit was 'seveas' before23:40
Seveaselkbuntu, !23:40
* elkbuntu huggles Seveas23:41
Tm_Telkbuntu: it would be cute to have !opabuse to be "seveas! someone is bullying me!"23:41
PriceChildlol!23:41
Tm_Tjust to make Seveas hilighted enough23:41
elkbuntucute yes, functional no.23:41
Tm_Telkbuntu: my point23:42
Tm_TPriceChild: can I talk with you in private a moment?23:42
elkbuntui kinda wanna know who's been messing with the factoid anyway23:42
PriceChildTm_T, sure23:42
Seveaselkbuntu, it's all logged :)23:43
elkbuntuSeveas, yeah, but i cant remember how to ask it23:43
* Tm_T hugs Tm_T23:43
LjLactually it was seveas, then it was leave the ops alone kthxbye, then it was seveas again, then it was leave the ops alone kthxbye again23:43
LjLi see a secret edit war going on here :P23:43
Seveaselkbuntu, you can't :)23:43
Tm_T...because noone else will :(23:43
SeveasLjL, the logs show only one edit23:43
Seveas500|Mez!n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez|opabuse|2007-07-06 19:00:43.562442|leave the ops alone ktnxbye23:43
LjLah no23:44
LjL!opabuse-#ubuntu-offtopic23:44
ubotuSeveаs23:44
LjLthat's why23:44
Seveasheh23:44
Tm_T:)))23:44
PiciIt has magic UTF goodness to avoid hilights23:45
LjLPici: what? where?23:45
LjL(reply "oh, nothing" if you don't want a ban)23:45
Mez!forget opabuse-#ubuntu-offtopic23:45
ubotuI'll forget that, Mez23:45
PiciLjL: /me shrugs23:45
LjLPriceChild: especially after someone mentions "ops"23:48
elkbuntuhe's been saying dumbass things all week23:51
Tm_Tme?23:52
LjLyup23:52
elkbuntuspaceman23:52
elkbuntu(see -offtopic)23:52
elkbuntuhe comes across as genuinely stupid, but not maliciously so23:53
LjLnow, granted, it was pricechild who said "ops"... but he said "kick" and "ban", and he's going to complain that all ops come up?23:53
Tm_T=)23:54
elkbuntuLjL, he's a low level troll in that he says things to get attention, and likes to make a fuss when he has got it23:55
LjLmc44, i won't kick you from there just because it would make it way too obvious23:55
LjLbut you'll pay anyway23:55
mc44haha23:55
Tm_Tjussi01: moi kaima23:57

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