[00:11] <mikubuntu> anybody know why i might be having problems with brasero cd burner, and also gnomebaker?  are there any known issues possibly associated with updates?
[00:14] <homebrewcider> anyone know of a bigger compatability list than the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[00:23] <mindframe-> mikubuntu, try k3b
[00:23] <Mark76> Is it worth having more than one Linux on a desktop?
[00:24] <mikubuntu> mindframe-: ok, did you have a similar prob?
[00:24] <mikubuntu> i know i burned things couple of weeks ago no prob, only thing i can think is updates somehow screwed up brasero
[00:25] <mikubuntu> i go look for k3b, is it in the standard packages?
[00:25] <TheSheep> Mark76: depends on what you do
[00:26] <Mark76> Not a lot
[00:26] <TheSheep> Mark76: My friends keeps every single linux distro he finds on his hdd
[00:26] <mikubuntu> not in appfinder
[00:26] <TheSheep> Mark76: he's a distro developer himself and he wants to keep in touch with what others do
[00:27] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it's there, just use synaptic
[00:27] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it's a KDE app
[00:27] <mikubuntu> ok, thx
[00:27] <Mark76> Are there enough differences between distros to justify it in my case?
[00:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: I sometimes keep archlinux or debian on a second partition, to play with them
[00:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: I don't know "your case"
[00:28] <Mark76> I'm just a casual user.
[00:29] <TheSheep> then I guess not
[00:30] <Mark76> Fair enough
[00:30] <TheSheep> unless there is a distro that has something special that interests you
[00:30] <mindframe-> mikubuntu, no i've just always used k3b and never had problems
[00:30] <Mark76> I can't think of any
[00:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: it used to be like that with compiz
[00:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: it may be like that now ith KDE 4
[00:31] <mikubuntu> i never had problems b4 either, using a iomega external burner and it always worked fine
[00:31] <Mark76> Ah right
[00:31] <Mark76> I'll cross the KDE4 bridge when it comes to me
[00:33] <Mark76> I'll certainly add Kubuntu to my options once it's in the official repositories
[00:34] <Mark76> KDE4, that is
[00:34] <Mark76> Not much point whilst they're still on 3.5.  I've seen it
[00:36] <Mark76> Right
[00:36] <Mark76> Bed time!
[00:36] <Mark76> No staying up till 5am for me tongiht
[00:36] <Mark76> Night Sheep
[00:37] <TheSheep> good night
[00:44] <DaBeowulf> Oh damn, Teledat 220 and Ubuntu (even Linux for that matter) doesn't turn up much in google.. I hope I'll get it to work.
[00:44] <DaBeowulf> Do you think a Compex Ethernet card (RL2000) might do as a replacement?
[00:44] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: i wonder what the prob is... installed k3b and it's not detecting my external burner either..
[00:45] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: could this be related to some kind of kernel update?
[00:45] <DaBeowulf> I'd have that to spare for her.
[00:52] <mikubuntu> if it was a problem related to a kernel update, is it possible for me to get the old version back?
[00:54] <mikubuntu> i'm lost without a burner...
[00:55] <DaBeowulf> What do you burn mostly?
[00:55] <DaBeowulf> Does wodim still work?
[00:56] <DaBeowulf> @mikubuntu
[00:57] <mikubuntu> dabeowulf: mostly distro iso's
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> Try wodim then. :)
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> wodim blablabla.iso
[00:57] <mikubuntu> what is wodim?
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> 'man wodim' in the terminal ;)
[00:58] <DaBeowulf> !wodim
[00:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wodim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <mikubuntu> DaBeowulf: ummmm, i looked at the 'man wodim', omg, lot of info .. so do i understand that wodim is 'better' at detecting ext devices?
[01:05] <DaBeowulf> Your burner is an external one?
[01:05] <mikubuntu> yes, iomega.  was working last week or so.  is only about two months old, so i don't think it's wore out.
[01:07] <DaBeowulf> If it doesn't autodetect it when you issue the 'wodim blablabla.iso' command you can try and look in /dev/ for a 'cdrwX' link like cdrw1 or maybe just cdrw and add 'dev=cdrwX' to the command
[01:09] <mikubuntu> i'm not understanding about the 'wodim blablabla.iso' command?
[01:09] <mikubuntu> do you mean wodim only operates from a terminal?
[01:09] <mikubuntu> if so, it might be 'over my head'
[01:09] <DaBeowulf> 'sudo wodim blabla.iso dev=/dev/...' <- like that actually; yes it does
[01:11] <mikubuntu> back to my other question, then, if this is an update to the kernel that has caused the problem, is there a way for me to go back to the older kernel version?
[01:11] <DaBeowulf> ^ like that when you're in the directory where the ISO is lying
[01:11] <mikubuntu> i don't know why it 'just stopped working'
[01:11] <DaBeowulf> I bet 100 bucks.
[01:12]  * mikubuntu is waiting with bait breath for the wager
[01:12] <jjmiv> evening
[01:13] <DaBeowulf> If there's none other there's always reinstall the OS. :P
[01:13] <mikubuntu> evening in some places
[01:13] <jjmiv> yup
[01:13] <jjmiv> actually..i've reinstalled xubuntu twice and it won't load into the operating system...
[01:14] <jjmiv> it boots into recovery mode, but i'm not sure where to go from there in order to 'recover' the first boot option
[01:15] <mikubuntu> omg, maybe i'll go reinstall, then
[01:16] <jjmiv> yeah, when i select the first boot option after install....nothin' happens..ha
[01:27] <jjmiv> any suggestions?
[01:29] <mikubuntu> DaBeowulf: i swear, something is rotten in denmark.  now not even detecting the 'internal' cdrom on my laptop.  can't even reinstall os cause it won't boot from the drive.  what could be up with this...
[01:32] <DaBeowulf> Erm, the BIOS is set to boo from the CD, though?
[01:32] <DaBeowulf> *boot
[01:36] <AlanBShepard70> Can anyone tell me how to find the drive letter of a USB flash drive? I can't find a reference to it anywhere. In Ubuntu I can but not in xubuntu
[01:37] <AlanBShepard70> by drive letter I mean path.... It's /media/sd??? something right?
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> AlanBShepard70: It will likely mount as /media/$LABEL, if it has one.  The device is /dev/sd??
[01:44] <jjmiv> ah, i think i might just have to reconfigure xserver
[01:44] <jjmiv> hm
[01:44] <keb> anyone know how to get rid of the annoying DHCPDISCOVER messages in the logs
[01:46] <keb> my system us trying to find an ip for eth1 but i unplugged that usb ethernet device days ago
[01:46] <keb> *is
[01:55] <AlanBShepard70> tonyyarusso: thanks but someone in the ubuntu-offtopic channel helped me figure it out.
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> AlanBShepard70: cool
[02:48] <SteamMachine> Hi. I'm considering switching to xubuntu from ubuntu - but I was wondering about the difference in speed (ie, is it worth it?)
[09:45] <[chr0n0s]> can anyone help using AWN with xfce (without compiz)
[09:58] <ablomen> [chr0n0s], awn depends on compiz
[09:59] <ablomen> so youll have to install compiz and run it before you can use awn
[09:59] <[chr0n0s]> ablomen, xfwm4 includes its own compositing manager, which takes advantage of the new X.org's server extensions. The compositor is like a WM on its own, it manages a stack of all windows, monitor all kinds on X event and reacts accordingly. Having the compositing manager embedded in the window manager also helps keeping the various visual effects in sync with window events. If you want to use the compositor, you have to build xfwm4 using the --enable-
[09:59] <[chr0n0s]> compositor configure option. In any case, you can disable the compositor on xfwm4 startup using the '--compositor=off' argument.
[10:00] <ablomen> i know it has a compositing manager, but afaik awn cant use it
[10:01] <qwerkus> Hello: still nothing new about a way to fix the broken frambuffer console under Gutsy ?
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: nope :(
[10:16] <qwerkus> mist
[10:16] <qwerkus> will try again next week ...
[10:38] <MatBoy> ablomen, awn is not nice ;)
[10:52] <MatBoy> mhh, the krdc full screen issue is not solved yet
[10:53] <MatBoy> should it be a krdc or a xfce problem ?
[11:35] <Mark76> Has anyone seen this? http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/45837-1.jpg
[11:36] <totalwormface> i didn't
[11:37] <Mark76> Looks good, eh?
[11:38] <totalwormface> it's everything i wanted to kick out of my theme, i like square :P
[11:38] <totalwormface> but it looks good :D
[11:39] <Mark76> It does
[11:39] <totalwormface> i wish i did
[11:39] <totalwormface> time to wash my face
[11:40] <Mark76> You know when you want to add a submenu launcher to the panel, where do you find the cmds?
[11:43] <Mark76> I've looked in usr/bin and they aren't there
[11:58] <Mark76> Anyone?
[12:07] <Mark76> :(
[12:14] <Pumpernickel> If the command you're looking for isn't in /usr/bin, then it's somewhere else.
[12:14] <Pumpernickel> Not everything is lumped together in /usr/bin.
[12:16] <Mark76> I figured that
[12:16] <Mark76> I just can't work out where else
[12:18] <TheSheep> Mark76: what command?
[12:18] <Mark76> I want to add some sub menus to the panel
[12:18] <Mark76> Network and games to start with
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: well, just create multiple entries in th launcher
[12:19] <Mark76> You can't add entire sub menus?
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: no, use the 'xfce menu' plugin for that
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: with a different menu file than the system menu
[12:20] <Mark76> xfce menu plugin?
[12:20] <TheSheep> Mark76: at the bottom of panel plugins list
[12:21] <Mark76> Ah
[12:21] <Mark76> I've not been down that far before
[12:22] <TheSheep> _^_
[12:22] <Mark76> Hmm. I still have to edit it
[12:22] <TheSheep> but you don't need the system menu this time
[12:23] <Mark76> Okay, so I want the network menu to pop up.  Do I just replace menu.xml with network.xml?
[12:25] <TheSheep> no, I'm afraid you'd have to recreate it
[12:25] <Mark76> :(
[12:33] <Mark76> There's no option to add help to the panel?
[12:33] <Mark76> That's a bit of an oversight
[12:35] <TheSheep> Mark76: you mean like clippy?
[12:35] <Mark76> NO, I mean like HELP"
[12:36] <TheSheep> we could have a desktop background with a nice and friendly "Don't panic!" :)
[12:37] <Mark76> I'm surprised there isn't already
[12:37] <Mark76> We need more Sci fi themed wallpapers
[12:37] <keb> make some :D
[12:38] <TheSheep> Mark76: and there *is* help in the menu by default
[12:38] <TheSheep> Mark76: and it shows when you press F1
[12:39] <Mark76> I found a way to edit the sub menus
[12:39] <Mark76> Make sure main menu is in settings
[12:51] <Mark76> I'll leave the wallpaper making to the pros, Keb
[12:52] <keb> some of the best wallpapers are amateur
[12:54] <octoberdan> When I start xfce, n+1 nm-applet instances start up. n equaling the number of instances last time I started up
[12:54] <octoberdan> Currently 8...
[12:55] <octoberdan> I isually just "killall nm-applet" and start a new one so there's only one
[12:55] <octoberdan> Could that be related?
[12:57] <Mark76> That happened to some one else
[12:58] <octoberdan> Found the solution I think
[12:58] <octoberdan> http://www.nabble.com/Multiple-Instances-of-nm-applet-t4114321.html
[12:59] <octoberdan> Thank you. killing off the session files with only one instance of
[12:59] <octoberdan> 'nm-applet --sm-disable &' running seems to have done the trick. I've
[12:59] <octoberdan> rebooted her laptop a couple of times and there's only one icon displayed.
[12:59] <octoberdan> oops
[13:00] <Mark76> Isn't Yves a boys name?
[13:01] <octoberdan> Not always
[13:05] <Mark76> I see
[13:05] <Mark76> How do you start the desktop cube going?
[13:07] <octoberdan> I'm not a fan of that compiz 3d desktop crap, those are my cycles damn it!
[13:09] <octoberdan> Oh, and I could never get it working :-(
[13:10] <maxamillion> i don't care about the cpu or gpu usage ... if you have the power, might as well use it ... i just find compiz/beryl/fusion to be a step backwards in usability
[13:10] <maxamillion> but that's just my opinion
[13:12] <Mark76> Damn, my window manager isn't responding
[13:18] <Mark76> Why isn't my Windows Manager responding? :-/
[13:22] <nikolam> Hi
[13:23] <Mark76> Hello
[13:23] <nikolam> Did anyone tryed to install u/k/xubuntu inside Qemu ?
[13:23] <Mark76> Why? Should we want to?
[13:23] <nikolam> When I try to install inside wemu, there is error in recognising CD drive (even it boot from virtual cd in wemu?
[13:24] <nikolam> To test.
[13:24] <Mark76> What is it?
[13:24] <nikolam> To make virtual server, whatever
[13:24] <nikolam> It is Virtualisation software You can install many OS-es unaware they are running inside virtual machine, up to near rel speed
[13:25] <Mark76> Ah
[13:25] <Mark76> Sounds cool
[13:25] <nikolam> Vmware, qemu, xen
[13:25] <Mark76> Coes it have any practical applications in a desktop environment?
[13:25] <nikolam> qemu can even emulate other architectires (risc, power pc etc)
[13:25] <Mark76> Does
[13:26] <nikolam> Yes, I can Run 5-6  VM oses : XP, Windows, bsd, multiple linuxes and make network of them hhe
[13:26] <nikolam> I personally want to make VM inside my machine to act like firewall and proxy for my dsl line
[13:27] <nikolam> Ad every connection goes to Vm from machine and to the world.
[13:27] <nikolam> if you have large amount of RAM and multi core cpu, you can make a whole datacenter inside one machine :)
[13:28] <Mark76> Sorry about that
[13:29] <Mark76> What were you saying Nikolam?
[13:29] <nikolam> I personally want to make VM inside my machine to act like firewall and proxy for my dsl line
[13:29] <nikolam>  Ad every connection goes to Vm from machine and to the world.
[13:29] <nikolam>  if you have large amount of RAM and multi core cpu, you can make a whole datacenter inside one machine :)
[13:30] <nikolam> and it is great for testing and using software for windblows, per instance
[13:31] <nikolam> I were using vmware on xp for linux , Now I Use linux and I will use xp inside Vm :)
[13:32] <Mark76> That sounds interesting
[13:33] <Mark76> I have a friend I'm trying to cajole into going Linux, but she can't play her games on it
[13:34] <nikolam> One can try using CEDEGA on linux
[13:34] <Mark76> That costs money, doesn't it?
[13:34] <nikolam> It is extended version of wine
[13:34] <nikolam> Yes
[13:34] <nikolam> You can hack it
[13:34] <Mark76> She already has XP installed
[13:34] <nikolam> But I think it is worth to pay for it
[13:35] <nikolam> Depends if you are paying for games or not
[13:35] <nikolam> xp is for games, anyway :)
[13:36] <Mark76> She has about 2 gigs left on her hard drive
[13:36] <nikolam> I would like to make people using windblows to actually PAY for all software they are using..  They would be switching to Linux, Instantaneous :))
[13:36] <nikolam> 2 gig is not much
[13:36] <Mark76> Don't they do that already?
[13:37] <nikolam> Ask them ? :)
[13:37] <Mark76> Yeah, it's not. But I'm wondering how much can be stripped out of XP without affecting performance too much
[13:37] <nikolam> if you think about switching, I surely hope so :)
[13:38] <Mark76> She might have a lot of 3rd party apps for security that could be dumped if she used Linux for surfing and email
[13:38] <nikolam> Hard drive space have not direct affect on performance
[13:38] <nikolam> I use 1. Firestarter 2. Nothing else on linux :)
[13:39] <nikolam> Firestarter set firewall and exits anyway (~100kb) :)
[13:39] <Mark76> Well, no, but it does affect how much of ubuntu you can install
[13:39] <nikolam> Minimum is a big more then 2GB
[13:39] <Mark76> Do you use Firestarter on your desktop?
[13:39] <nikolam> But if you have 2GB free on Xp partition, you need to free a little bit more
[13:39] <Mark76> I think you can get away with 1.5 gigs for Xubuntu, Nik
[13:40] <Mark76> But that'd only leave 500 megs
[13:40] <nikolam> Beacouse when you make partition for ubuntu, there on xp must be some space left free
[13:41] <Mark76> You think the XP partition could be reduced?
[13:41] <nikolam> 1. free about 4 gigs on XP partiton 2. use partition magic or so to make Xp partition 3 gigs smaller  3. Make 2,5Gigi ubuntu partition 4. Make 0.5Gig swap partition 5. Install Xubuntu  :)
[13:42] <nikolam> use ext3 for partition type for linux
[13:42] <nikolam> And linux swap for linux swap partition
[13:42] <nikolam> After that you could dual-boot xp and xubuntu
[13:42] <Mark76> Sounds complex
[13:43] <Mark76> I suspect she doesn't even have a partitoner
[13:43] <nikolam> sound easy if you use partition magic and free some space and defragment xp partition before using partition magic
[13:43] <nikolam> Well, you can try Boot CD with Gparted tool on it
[13:44] <nikolam> Just a sec
[13:44] <Mark76> She doesn't have a working CD player
[13:44] <nikolam> But I thin she should use partition magic (get it from torrents somewhere)
[13:44] <Mark76> So we'll be using UNetbootin
[13:44] <nikolam> Does she`s computer have floppy or does she can boot from USB?
[13:45] <Mark76> I don't think she has floppies either
[13:45] <Mark76> But UNetbootin is good
[13:45] <Mark76> It has a partitioner
[13:45] <nikolam> Maybe she could backup data somewhere and use full install or second HDD for linux?
[13:46] <nikolam> I don`t know what is UNetbooti
[13:46] <Mark76> Maybe
[13:46] <nikolam> Linux use GRUB for boot
[13:46] <Mark76> You don't know UNetbootin?
[13:46] <Mark76> Hang on then
[13:46] <nikolam> And gparted for partitioning
[13:47] <Mark76> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/05/unetbootin-create-a-dual-boot-windows-linux-pc-without-a-cd/
[13:47] <nikolam> Look ad the Gparted Live CD:
[13:48] <nikolam> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[13:48] <nikolam> There is also Live USB http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php
[13:49] <nikolam> but Anyway, be SHURE to backup All importand Data Before any partitioning?
[13:49] <Mark76> Indeed
[13:50] <nikolam> i will look to unetbootin.. I am looking to add solaris and macosX on top of two windoses and software raid1 dual linux setup :)
[13:52] <Mark76> Sounds like fun
[13:52] <nikolam> hah :) And it was automaticly recognized both windowses.
[13:52] <maxamillion> nikolam: solaris 10 or an opensolaris distro?
[13:53] <nikolam> I am thinking on opensolaris, But I think I will wait a bit, until they put it on GPL3 Licence :)
[13:54] <nikolam> I know it uses partition 4 on HD for install.. so far
[13:54] <nikolam> But I am quite happy with My Xubuntu 64-bit, anyway
[13:55] <maxamillion> nikolam: last time i checked it was dual licensed gplv3 and cddl
[13:55] <nikolam> I am looking to use virtualisation so i can use testing and bug reporting for xubuntu
[13:55] <maxamillion> but i could be wrong :/
[13:55] <nikolam> opensolaris??? I think ist only ccdl..
[13:56] <nikolam> They are Saying .. Maybe GPL3 in some time
[13:56] <nikolam> When that happen, We will have TWo GPL open source platforms :)
[13:58] <Mark76> How do you resize a partition, anyway?
[13:58] <Mark76> Or create a new one?
[13:59] <nikolam> 1.Free some space on disk 2. Defragment disk 3. Install and start partitn magic
[13:59] <Mark76> Right
[13:59] <nikolam> You can just shrink it with PM and let Xubuntu use free space.
[14:00] <Mark76> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=198821
[14:00] <nikolam> if its blank new disk, xubuntu install precedure can partition it or you can do it manually durin install after booting from cd
[14:00] <Mark76> You can download partition magic from Sourceforge!
[14:02] <Mark76> But I'm downloading Mandriva first :)
[14:03] <predaeus> This does not seem like it is Partition Magic.
[14:03] <nikolam> It is not the same thing..
[14:03] <nikolam> Partition magic is commercial software..
[14:03] <Mark76> Oh well
[14:03] <nikolam> For PM try on torrents and get it
[14:03] <Mark76> I'm sure it'll do just as good a job
[14:04] <nikolam> If you want , delete it after use :)
[14:04] <nikolam> Or just try that gParted CD..
[14:04] <nikolam> It is free
[14:04] <Mark76> I don't have a GParted CD
[14:04] <nikolam> Get it from the link i gave you
[14:26] <baty> ppl need help, how can i change the video drivers in text mode?
[14:31] <TheSheep> baty: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:03] <witozzo> hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my external hard drive: I have the permission to read and write on it, but when I try to create a new file or erase something I get "Read-Only file system"
[16:15] <mindframe-> it's probably mounted read-only
[16:15] <mindframe-> what fs is it using?
[16:15] <mindframe-> witozzo,
[16:15] <witozzo> fat32
[16:16] <mindframe-> type mount and paste what it says for that device
[16:16] <witozzo> but the point is that when I check the permission, I have "drwx------", so basically I should be able to write...
[16:16] <mindframe-> not necessarily
[16:17] <witozzo> ok, thanks
[16:17] <mindframe-> you need to mount the device with rw and not ro
[16:18] <witozzo> /dev/sda1 on /media/BACKUP DOC type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
[16:18] <witozzo> so, it is "rw"...
[16:28] <witozzo> could it be that the problem is the gid not defined?
[16:29] <TheSheep> witozzo: who's the woner?
[16:29] <TheSheep> owner?
[16:30] <witozzo> I'm the owner
[16:52] <IR1> hi
[16:52] <IR1> i've got a problem, i would like to install xUbuntu on my xbox, but idon't know if i have to modify my xbox before
[16:53] <IR1> i'm french so excuse my english
[16:53] <clientuser> ton anglais est parfait
[16:54] <IR1> merci :)
[16:54] <clientuser> mais pourquoit tu veux mettre xubuntu sur un xbox?
[16:54] <IR1> pour avoir un pc de récuperation et surtout parce que j'ai vu qu'il existait une version de xubuntu compatible i386 xbox
[16:57] <IR1> because i've seen that a version of xebuntu was compatible with the xbox
[16:57] <clientuser> hm je ne sais pas, tu pourrait essayer #ubuntu, c'est plus active
[16:57] <IR1> i'm coming from their channel
[16:57] <IR1> thay wereb't able ti help me
[16:57] <TheSheep> how about askig on #xbox?
[16:58] <IR1> the official channel?
[16:58] <clientuser> I don't think it's official
[16:58] <TheSheep> no, I don't think Microsoft would have an official channel on Freenode :)
[16:58] <IR1> they won't appreciate that i modify their product no?
[16:58] <clientuser>  :p
[16:58] <IR1> ow sorry ^
[16:58] <IR1> ^
[16:58] <clientuser> freenode= opensource severs
[16:58] <IR1> okay
[16:58] <IR1> i'll try
[16:58] <IR1> thank's
[16:59] <TheSheep> IR1: I'm sure 100% of #xbox population has their xboxen modified :)
[16:59] <IR1> oo rly?
[16:59] <IR1> =D
[16:59] <clientuser> noo, 98%
[16:59] <TheSheep> .9
[16:59] <clientuser> The 2% left still have to learn how to modify it
[17:00] <IR1> =]
[17:00] <IR1> they are only 5 on this channel
[17:00] <IR1> (4 without me)
[17:01] <clientuser> wait 5/ 100 is...
[17:02] <evil_tech> 1 20th
[17:02] <clientuser> err exactly
[17:02] <clientuser> math ~grr
[17:03] <evil_tech> :)
[17:03] <clientuser> evil_tech and TheSheep, are you always online?
[17:03] <evil_tech> not on weekends
[17:04] <evil_tech> im only on at work
[17:04] <evil_tech> sometimes when im at school
[17:09] <clientuser> that's what they all say
[17:11] <TheSheep> clientuser: yes, why?
[17:12] <clientuser> TheSheep: just wondering :)
[17:14] <witozzo> ok, at the end I found a solution: added
[17:14] <witozzo> /dev/sda       /media/iomegaHD vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,rw,user 0    0
[17:14] <witozzo> to fstab, now it's working properly, so it was the missing 'gid'...
[17:16] <TheSheep> witozzo: that's why I asked about owner :)
[17:17] <TheSheep> witozzo: should have asked about group too
[17:17] <witozzo> eheh, that's ok now
[17:17] <witozzo> thanks anyway for your help! ;)
[17:59] <clientuser> hm..
[18:02] <clientuser> #internet
[18:25] <grazie> maxamillion: ping
[18:29] <maxamillion> grazie: pong
[18:31] <grazie> hey maxamillion ...time for a chat?
[18:31] <maxamillion> grazie: uhmm... kinda, what's up?
[18:32] <grazie> maxamillion: nothing...just surprised when you send you weren't running xubuntu any before (the other day)
[18:33] <maxamillion> grazie: oh, yeah ... i actually haven't been running xubuntu for quite some time .... ubuntu kept releasing updates that made my machines no longer boot and i don't have time to chase down fixes, so i switched back to debian
[18:34] <grazie> maxamillion: I see..updates can be a real curse
[18:44] <maxamillion> grazie: but the problem is that in the 7 years i have run debian i have never had a single update break *anything*
[18:44]  * maxamillion knocks on wood
[18:50] <grazie> maxamillion: sorry....multi tasking...very slowly. Yeah Debian stability is not famous without good reason
[18:53] <grazie> maxamillion: just got a new machine myself and Gutsy has been brilliant in supporting new hardware. Others distros have failed miserably
[19:09] <tuna-fish> so, I just installed xubuntu gutsy, and the restricted drivers manager crashes when I try to run it.
[19:09] <tuna-fish> any advice?
[19:10] <tuna-fish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42600/
[19:16] <maxamillion> grazie: well, i am actually running debian testing on my laptop ... it runs all the same versions of software that gutsy does and i've had stellar stability there as well ... it even has the 2.6.22 kernel (and rumors of 2.6.23 moving to it within the next month have been floating around)
[19:32] <grazie> maxamillion: oh I thought Debian was always a bit behind even on the utlra dev branch (or whatever it's really called)
[19:35] <maxamillion> grazie: sid? (also known as unstable) is actually always ahead of ubuntu
[19:38] <grazie> maxamillion: thanks for that...my debian knowledge is v.limited
[19:43] <maxamillion> grazie: well next time i get some free time i will fill you in ++ :)
[19:44] <maxamillion> grazie: well, i gotta run ... ttyl
[19:46] <evil_tech> #fluxbuntu
[20:05] <evil_tech> how do you get pidgin to automatically join channels
[21:09] <namegone> is there a way to make custom keyboard layouts in xubuntu?
[21:55] <hyper___ch> hiho
[22:00] <tsubasaleguedin> xubuntu+xfce compositor+awn+jukebox3d+exaile
[22:00] <tsubasaleguedin> http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=8oyxvwf7.jpg
[22:38] <evil_tech> guten morgen herr mark76
[22:38] <Mark76> Hey Evil
[22:38] <Mark76> How's it hanging?
[22:38] <evil_tech> coldly against my leg
[22:39] <evil_tech> heater apparently isnt working
[22:39] <Mark76> That's what happens when you store dead trout in your trousers
[22:39] <evil_tech> lol
[22:39] <Mark76> I tried to install Mandriva 2008 earlier
[22:39] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[22:40] <Mark76> And I learned something
[22:40] <evil_tech> whats that
[22:40] <evil_tech> ?
[22:40] <Mark76> I have no idea how to set up partitions or the grub boot loader
[22:40] <evil_tech> lol
[22:41] <evil_tech> grub takes some getting used to
[22:41] <Mark76> Yeah. It asked me where I wanted to store it. Or something
[22:41] <Mark76> And I had NO idea
[22:41] <evil_tech> i understand how it works but still have no clue how to fix it when it breaks something
[22:41] <evil_tech> well usually you want it in the master boot record on your hard drive
[22:42] <Mark76> AH. Hard drive
[22:42] <Mark76> Hmm. I thought that's where I'd put it
[22:42] <evil_tech> well you can put it on other things too. that is part of the reason it asks
[22:43] <Mark76> Yeah, I might have put it in the root
[22:44] <Mark76> All I know is that when I tried to run the computer after installing it nothing happened
[22:44] <evil_tech> well it stores some of its configuration stuff there i think. actually i think it is in /boot/grub but i'm probably wrong
[22:45] <evil_tech> yeah grub is in /boot/grub
[22:45] <Mark76> Right
[22:45] <evil_tech> so what did it say exactly? ive never used mandriva so i havent a clue what the installer looks like
[22:45] <Mark76> OH well, I doubt there's very much in Mandriva that isn't already in Ubuntu
[22:46] <evil_tech> true
[22:47] <evil_tech> i'm playing with fluxbox :)
[22:47] <evil_tech> fluxbuntu rather
[22:47] <Mark76> I'm installing some games including a package that includes the Legend of Zelda!
[22:47] <evil_tech> sweet
[22:47] <Mark76> How old is that anyway?
[22:47] <evil_tech> i got FCEU working so i can play all my NES roms
[22:48] <Mark76> What's Fluxbuntu like?
[22:48] <evil_tech> nice i like the default theme. and its quick man
[22:48] <Mark76> Cool
[22:48] <evil_tech> even on this old 500mhz i have it on
[22:48] <Mark76> Fantastic :D
[22:49] <Mark76> How did you get it?
[22:49] <evil_tech> its finally available on the get page of the website
[22:49] <Mark76> Woohoo
[22:49] <Mark76> Say, do you have Windows?
[22:49] <evil_tech> yeah
[22:50] <Mark76> Can you access the sourceforge downloads page for Lubi using IE?
[22:50] <evil_tech> hmm let me check
[22:52] <Mark76> Because I was trying to get a friend of mine to download the no CD installation version of Ubuntu GG and she just couldn't connect to that page
[22:52] <evil_tech> yeah i got to it
[22:54] <Mark76> Hmm. Maybe it was her lousy dial up connection then
[22:54] <evil_tech> eeew dial up
[22:54] <Mark76> Tell me about it
[22:54] <Mark76> I'm so glad I missed out
[22:57] <evil_tech> i remember dial up
[22:57] <evil_tech> my first modem was 14.4kbps
[22:57] <evil_tech> ah them were the days
[22:58] <Mark76> Good job the net was mostly text back then
[22:59] <evil_tech> this is true
[22:59] <evil_tech> mostly irc and aol chat
[22:59] <evil_tech> some newgroups
[23:00] <Mark76> I'm looking at Adonthell
[23:00] <evil_tech> whats that
[23:00] <Mark76> I think it's an RPG
[23:00] <Mark76> There's a forest
[23:00] <Mark76> And some bird called Lady Silverhair
[23:01] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:01] <Mark76> So it's either an RPG or the gayest FPS ever
[23:01] <evil_tech> lol
[23:02] <Mark76> I wonder when the base pack of XP will come down in price?
[23:03] <evil_tech> probably never. too many people want it since Vista has so many problems
[23:03] <Mark76> Hee hee
[23:10] <Mark76> They'll have to learn to love it once MS withdraw support for XP
[23:11] <evil_tech> oh yeah thats going to be fun
[23:14] <Mark76> Oh well
[23:14] <Mark76> It's not my problem
[23:14] <evil_tech> will be mine since i have to support it
[23:14] <Mark76> Oh dear
[23:16] <Mark76> Damn, I think I need open GL
[23:18] <evil_tech> you dont have it installed?
[23:19] <Mark76> Doesn't seem like it
[23:20] <evil_tech> thought that was loaded by default
[23:21] <evil_tech> apparently not cause it doesnt seem to be on mine either
[23:22] <Mark76> I just installed the Python package
[23:22] <Mark76> I obviously need something more
[23:23] <evil_tech> does what needs it say which one it wants
[23:24] <Mark76> NO
[23:24] <Mark76> The games just fail to open
[23:26] <evil_tech> i was getting a similar error about 3d and rendering not being on with boson
[23:26] <Mark76> How did you fix it?
[23:27] <evil_tech> i didnt
[23:28] <evil_tech> couldnt figure it out cause i had compiz installed which should have enabled 3d rendering (i thought obviously thats incorrect)
[23:28] <evil_tech> that and the game kept crashing X
[23:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: run them from a terminal, then they should print you what's wrong
[23:28] <Mark76> Okay
[23:29] <evil_tech> that and they probably have log files
[23:30] <evil_tech> the boson game did
[23:30] <evil_tech> kept crashing cause i didnt have the 3d acceleration
[23:31] <Mark76> This is what I got when I tried to run billard-gl from the terminal OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0'
[23:31] <Mark76> Chromium
[23:31] <Mark76> WARNING: could not read config file (/home/mark/.chromium)
[23:31] <Mark76> WARNING: could not read score file (/home/mark/.chromium-score)
[23:31] <Mark76> randomizing.
[23:31] <Mark76> SDL initialized.
[23:31] <Mark76> Couldn't set GL mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[23:31] <Mark76> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:32] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[23:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:33] <Mark76> GLX is the common thread
[23:34] <Mark76> IS there a quick and easy way to install GLX?
[23:35] <evil_tech> well fluxbuntu has it installed already
[23:35] <Mark76> Something like aptitude install glx would be nice
[23:36] <evil_tech> so i would imagine xubuntu should as well?
[23:37] <Mark76> Hang on
[23:37] <evil_tech> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx
[23:39] <Mark76> I ahve NVidia legacy glx installed
[23:39] <Mark76> And the driver activated
[23:39] <Ben_Cs> hello
[23:39] <Ben_Cs> does gutsy have samba automaically pre-configured?
[23:40] <evil_tech> dunno
[23:41] <evil_tech> not on my machine
[23:42] <evil_tech> Mark76: maybe you need the latest driver?
[23:43] <Mark76> I already have libgll-mesa-glx installed apparently
[23:43] <Mark76> Nah, I had them working yesterday
[23:43] <evil_tech> hmm its a mystery
[23:44] <Mark76> Ah, but yesterday I had the full Gnubuntu installed
[23:44] <evil_tech> is that the totally free ubuntu
[23:44] <evil_tech> ?
[23:46] <Mark76> No, it's the original Ubuntu
[23:46] <Mark76> I just decided to add the Gn(ome) on a whim
[23:46] <Mark76> This is interesting
[23:47] <Mark76> It's a 1
[23:47] <evil_tech> eh?
[23:48] <Mark76> The 3rd l in libgll is a 1
[23:48] <Mark76> And it's already installed
[23:48] <evil_tech> yeah
[23:48] <PowerGo> I am running Xubuntu live, and Xorg is using a crap ton of CPU
[23:48] <PowerGo> Will that happen once I install it ?
[23:48] <bradappel> Hi, I'm new to the channel, don't beat me up :), but I just installed Xubuntu on my laptop, and I'm having some trouble.  How/where can I look at the boot log?
[23:49] <evil_tech> no not if it is installed properly
[23:49] <PowerGo> evil_tech: that was my answer or someone else ?
[23:49] <evil_tech> yours
[23:49] <Mark76> I'd expect the boot log to be under boot in the file system
[23:50] <bradappel> Ubuntu was working fine the other day, I decided to install Xubuntu, and now that I've installed the wireless drivers, it refuses to come up with X
[23:50] <dgimse> hi I was wondering how i would go about changing my menu.lst doc in 7.10?
[23:50] <Mark76> At least that would seem like the logical place
[23:50] <PowerGo> OK.  Another thing is , Ubuntu wouldn't run worth a damn , will this provide a more smoother system ?
[23:50] <PowerGo> I am on an older computer.
[23:50] <evil_tech> what are the specs of the machine powergo
[23:51] <evil_tech> that or check /var/log
[23:51] <PowerGo> p2 450, 320 MBs of SDRAM, 10 GB hd internal, VooDoo3 3dfx 8 MB AGP
[23:51] <Mark76> There's a bootlog in var/log
[23:52] <grommithockey> /clear/clear
[23:52] <evil_tech> well in mine there is a file called boot in /var/log. nothing in it though
[23:52] <Mark76> Same here
[23:52] <bradappel> that's a directory
[23:52] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Will that be enough , or will it run slower and WindowsXP on crack like Ubuntu ?
[23:52] <evil_tech> powergo: that should run xubuntu fine
[23:52] <PowerGo> slower than WindowsXP*
[23:52] <bradappel> checking /var/log/dmesg now to see if it gives a clue
[23:53] <evil_tech> if not id check to see if the hard drive is giving up the ghost
[23:53] <PowerGo> evil_tech: For some reason Ubuntu/Gnome ran worse than XP with fading.
[23:54] <evil_tech> for anything under 700mhz xubuntu runs better
[23:54] <Mark76> YEah
[23:54] <evil_tech> or if you really want you can try the new fluxbuntu
[23:54] <Mark76> I have 833 giHz and I still prefer Xubuntu
[23:54] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Last I checked, they didn't have it ready , just the RC
[23:54] <Mark76> I just tried to aptitude install fluxbuntu, Evil
[23:55] <Mark76> No dice
[23:55] <evil_tech> its fluxbuntu-desktop
[23:55] <Aviatrixie> hello  :)
[23:55] <evil_tech> powergo: just cause it is a release candidate doesnt mean it isnt usable
[23:55] <Mark76> Yeah, that's what I typed
[23:55] <Mark76> Nothing came
[23:56] <PowerGo> evil_tech: If it looks anything like KDE, I will want to smash it.
[23:56] <evil_tech> besides the more people who try it and report bugs the better the final will be
[23:56] <evil_tech> no it looks like DSL
[23:56] <evil_tech> not as crowded and green instead of the dark theme
[23:57] <evil_tech> Mark76: i dunno why its not there should be.
[23:57] <PowerGo> There's always been something about KDE that made me go "bluhh.."
[23:57] <Mark76> I'll try again
[23:57] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Yes, but I have limited bandwidth usage per day, besides 2-5 AM
[23:57] <PowerGo> I don't want to download something that I know I'm going to have to redo
[23:58] <evil_tech> download DSL then and give it a try. its only 50mb
[23:58] <Mark76> E: Couldn't find package fluxbuntu-desktop
[23:58] <PowerGo> DSL? Digital Subscriber Line ?
[23:58] <Aviatrixie> damn small linux
[23:59] <evil_tech> what he said^
[23:59] <PowerGo> oh yeah
[23:59] <PowerGo> But I liked how everything (just about) was ready to go in Ubuntu
[23:59] <Mark76> Nope. You can't install Fluxbuntu from the command line yet
[23:59] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:59] <PowerGo> Nothing big to do to get it to actually work
[23:59] <evil_tech> let me check my sources.list
[23:59] <Aviatrixie> puppy is good too, but not debian... tho they just adoted slack