| nixternal | jjesse: I found quite a few bugs with the doc index I made :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| nixternal | all bad links...the bugs that is | 00:00 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: go ahead and work on the openbabel merge if noone is doing it, and I will upload it for you | 00:01 |
| nixternal | Riddell and jjesse: I received an email from Linux+ to do that article, were one of you already working on it? If not, I can go ahead and get them something this week | 00:02 |
| Jucato | (the Kubuntu pimp strikes again!) | 00:05 |
| Jucato | good evening nixternal :) | 00:05 |
| dasKreech | Hi Jucato | 00:06 |
| Jucato | yo dasKreech | 00:06 |
| nixternal | howdy Jucato and dasKreech | 00:07 |
| Jucato | any luck with contacting DW? | 00:07 |
| profoX` | KDE in Kubuntu 8.04 will still be based on Qt3 right? And it will still use kcontrol modules? | 00:07 |
| Jucato | O.o | 00:07 |
| dasKreech | profoX`: likely not | 00:07 |
| dasKreech | Wait | 00:07 |
| dasKreech | Yes it will :) | 00:08 |
| Jucato | huh? | 00:08 |
| Jucato | :P | 00:08 |
| dasKreech | Sorry wrong number | 00:08 |
| nixternal | it will be KDE 3, with a mix of Qt3 and Qt4 :) | 00:08 |
| Jucato | KDE 3 requires Qt 3. | 00:08 |
| nixternal | aren't we installing Qt4 though with Gutsy++? | 00:08 |
| Jucato | and kcontrol modules are used in KDE 3 and KDE 4... (of course the KDE 4 kcm's are using KDE4) | 00:08 |
| nixternal | just using the libqt3-mt-headers | 00:08 |
| profoX` | oh, okay, so if I were to develop a KCM I could best keep it qt3 for now? | 00:09 |
| Jucato | nixternal: from what troy told me, we've decided to ship some kde4 apps in hardy :) | 00:09 |
| dasKreech | nixternal: not as far as Iknow | 00:09 |
| dasKreech | profoX`: no | 00:09 |
| dasKreech | Qt4 | 00:09 |
| Jucato | profoX`: depends on which KDE you plan to put it in. for KDE 3? definitely qt3. for KDE 4, qt4 | 00:09 |
| profoX` | Jucato: well, KDE 3 I suppose, since thats the version that will be in Hardy by default? | 00:10 |
| Jucato | but KDE 3 is pretty much closed now, unless you're intending it to be a Kubuntu-only feature. then yes | 00:10 |
| Jucato | nixternal: actually Kubuntu already ships with Qt4, because of hwdb-client-kde | 00:11 |
| * gnomefreak wants a fully functional kde4 | 00:14 | |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: wait for KDE 4.2? :D | 00:14 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 00:14 |
| gnomefreak | eh 4.0 release should be fine (whenever that may be) | 00:14 |
| * Jucato whistles innocently | 00:14 | |
| dasKreech | profoX`: qt4 | 00:15 |
| dasKreech | profoX`: We will have KDe4 desktop though we will not be shipping with it. KDE4 is the future | 00:15 |
| Jucato | except if he wants it to be in KDE 3.5.x in Hardy | 00:16 |
| dasKreech | gnomefreak: Define fully functional | 00:16 |
| gnomefreak | dasKreech: menu apps kind of like kde3 functional | 00:16 |
| yuriy | profoX`: qt3 and qt4 are both in kubuntu, but if you want a kcm to be in the system settings for hardy's desktop, it needs to be kde3/qt3 | 00:16 |
| Jucato | +1 yuriy | 00:16 |
| gnomefreak | beable to be used as a DE not just one app | 00:16 |
| profoX` | yes.. | 00:17 |
| dasKreech | KDE can be used as one app? 0.o | 00:17 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: you mean like the way kickoff is there no KDE 4? | 00:17 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: last i saw it wasnt there | 00:17 |
| Jucato | it is (beta3) | 00:17 |
| gnomefreak | onlly thing that worked was ummm plasma | 00:17 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: I think what he meant was to be able to use a full KDE 4 session versus launching individual KDE 4 apps | 00:18 |
| gnomefreak | and i use the term worked loosly | 00:18 |
| gnomefreak | sort of like you can with oh i dont know "GNOME" ;) | 00:18 |
| Jucato | :) | 00:19 |
| gnomefreak | ok time for me ot go while this POS builds seamonkey | 00:19 |
| profoX` | who is working on the KubuntuHardyCatchup spec? if I understand correctly there is a talk about that soon at UDS (or has it already been?) (I'm not at UDS) | 00:19 |
| Jucato | soon. probably tomorrow actually | 00:19 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: thanks | 00:20 |
| profoX` | Jucato: and where could I see the outcome of that meeting/talk, or even follow the talk itself maybe | 00:20 |
| Jucato | profoX`: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1196 | 00:21 |
| Jucato | you can also just keep track of the wiki page | 00:21 |
| profoX` | okay, thanks a lot | 00:21 |
| profoX` | I'll keep an eye on it | 00:21 |
| nixternal | let me be the first to say, converting our documentation to the internet is a pita | 00:22 |
| * nixternal goes and eats | 00:22 | |
| Jucato | nixternal: eating docs? | 00:23 |
| Jucato | you just made me hungry... and I realized I have nothing to eat in here... | 00:23 |
| * Jucato hunts for food... | 00:23 | |
| dasKreech | Oh yeah you can launch it as a DE now | 00:26 |
| * dasKreech has fignewtons | 00:26 | |
| Jucato | hm... I miss those :( | 00:28 |
| dasKreech | Riddell: ping | 00:35 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: that's why I got em | 00:35 |
| dasKreech | Hmm Fedora will have two releases before 8.10 | 00:43 |
| dasKreech | interesting | 00:43 |
| Jucato | they release 2x a year too. 6months apart just like us. | 00:46 |
| Jucato | actually Fedora 8 should have been released before gutsy, but was delayed | 00:46 |
| Jucato | spicy instant noodles for breakfast.. what have I become!!! | 00:46 |
| dasKreech | A spicy noodler? Just not instantly | 00:48 |
| Jucato | heheh | 00:48 |
| dasKreech | Sloooooowly drifting away from blut | 00:48 |
| dasKreech | balut | 00:48 |
| Jucato | hahah I don't eat that :P | 00:48 |
| Jucato | I mean, not usually | 00:49 |
| ryanakca | hmm... if you have a "Replaces: libopenbabel1", do you really need a "Conflicts: libopenbabel1"? | 00:56 |
| begert_ | woot, I have kde4 building | 00:58 |
| dasKreech | Sweeet | 01:01 |
| ryanakca | :D | 01:02 |
| * ryanakca passes a platter of cookies around | 01:02 | |
| jjesse | Riddell: is out at a pub | 01:02 |
| Jucato | hi jjesse good evening | 01:03 |
| dasKreech | Wow | 01:03 |
| jjesse | Jucato: good morning | 01:03 |
| dasKreech | Vista is great nixternal :) | 01:03 |
| dasKreech | I pops up a dialog to ask if I want to authorise copying a string from one app to another | 01:03 |
| dasKreech | Why didn't anyone tell me about comfusion? | 01:05 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: trying out BSD? | 01:09 |
| Jucato | not yet | 01:10 |
| dasKreech | new ones look good | 01:13 |
| Jucato | I'm going to try pc-bsd 1.4 soon... | 01:13 |
| jjesse | ok back | 01:18 |
| Jucato | wb jjesse :) | 01:19 |
| dasKreech | freeBSD 6.3 has linuxator | 01:23 |
| jjesse | thanks Jucato | 01:24 |
| jjesse | tomorrow there are sessions on Kubuntu, feel free to join on gobby or via VoIP | 01:24 |
| jjesse | or via the .ogg stream | 01:25 |
| Jucato | if/when I figure out how to do those, I will :) | 01:25 |
| jjesse | install gobby via Adept, and connect to gobby.ubuntu.com as the server | 01:25 |
| Jucato | the icecast didn't seem to work this (your) morning... | 01:25 |
| jjesse | Jucato: the first session i think was 10 est | 01:25 |
| Jucato | yep. that would have been your morning, my evening. | 01:26 |
| Jucato | tried to do the icecast thingy | 01:26 |
| jjesse | didn't work too well? the whole icecast thing? | 01:35 |
| Jucato | didn't work at all :( | 01:35 |
| Jucato | or rather, didnt work out of the box.. | 01:35 |
| jjesse | that's a bummer | 01:37 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I should be about 99% complete with the doc upload to the server | 01:39 |
| nixternal | I am committing to my site branch and then Riddell can merge it into the main branch later | 01:39 |
| nixternal | I am going to do a little testing here to make sure I got as much as possible | 01:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I have added the docs to my website repo if you want to merge into the new repo | 02:03 |
| jjesse | nixternal: don't know if Riddell is back from the pub yet | 02:04 |
| nixternal | for the time being, until we work in new artwork with our docs, it has the KDE doc header/foot images | 02:04 |
| Jucato | :D | 02:04 |
| Jucato | pub... | 02:04 |
| jjesse | mmmm pub :) | 02:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what's the url again? | 02:07 |
| Jucato | jjesse: looks like he's back :) | 02:08 |
| Jucato | (and probably sober :P) | 02:08 |
| nixternal | Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main | 02:10 |
| Riddell | oh aye, duh | 02:11 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: nice hat you have | 02:11 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: hmm? | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | @ | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | :)) | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | but it suited well :) | 02:12 |
| Jucato | ah hat = crown | 02:12 |
| nixternal | afternoon Hobbsee | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | hiya! | 02:21 |
| dasKreech | hi Hobbsee | 02:21 |
| Jucato | moin | 02:22 |
| Jucato | MoinMoin | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | :( | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | tikiwiki! | 02:22 |
| * Tm_T hides | 02:22 | |
| Jucato | ew? | 02:22 |
| Jucato | bwahahah | 02:22 |
| dasKreech | instiwiki! | 02:23 |
| dasKreech | Which I can' apt-get :-( | 02:23 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| * yuriy is frustrated with what kmail is doing to his gmail | 02:41 | |
| Tm_T | yuriy: imap? | 02:41 |
| yuriy | Tm_T: yeah | 02:41 |
| Riddell | yuriy: what's it doing? | 02:42 |
| Tm_T | heh | 02:42 |
| yuriy | being really slow and marking everything as unread (and possibly other things) | 02:42 |
| yuriy | and generally the label stuff doesn't translate too well to folders | 02:43 |
| Riddell | yuriy: gutsy version? | 02:43 |
| yuriy | feisty.. hmm, good point | 02:43 |
| Riddell | well, gutsy might not be any better | 02:44 |
| yuriy | but probably worth a try | 02:44 |
| Riddell | yuriy: you could try 3.5.8 for feisty first | 02:44 |
| yuriy | ooh gutsy seems to be behaving a bit better | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | yuriy: good to hear | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | must be time to upgrade to hardy, then. | 02:48 |
| yuriy | still flaky though | 02:48 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: you mean nothing is broken yet? | 02:49 |
| Tm_T | !hardy | 02:49 |
| ubotu | Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 | 02:49 |
| Tm_T | hum | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: no idea | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: I mean nothing is broken yet in your system :p | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | nope | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | excluding twinkle on gnome, anyway | 02:52 |
| Tm_T | :( | 02:52 |
| Tm_T | ebrahim: hello | 02:54 |
| ebrahim | Tm_T, Hello! | 02:55 |
| ebrahim | Tm_T, Do I know you? Do you know me?!? | 02:55 |
| Tm_T | humm, no | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | we know everything. | 02:56 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: I dont :( | 02:56 |
| Tm_T | I'm too old to know everything :(( | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh, excluding the lotto numbers. | 02:56 |
| Tm_T | ok, now I know I made a huge mistake | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | Hobbsee: Do you know the !lotto numbers? that would be useful too | 03:00 |
| ebrahim | Tm_T, how old are you? | 03:01 |
| Tm_T | ebrahim: 112 years old | 03:01 |
| ebrahim | Tm_T, :D | 03:01 |
| Tm_T | I just simply love this | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | oh boy... I really need more ram, 1 G gone and swap has usage of 200 M | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | what are you doing? | 03:15 |
| Tm_T | like to have my process tree? | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | not overly | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | but that seems quite high | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | well yes it is high | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | but some process listing explains it better than I do | 03:17 |
| Tm_T | wow, no more 8.5 loads :)) | 03:18 |
| Tm_T | I did just remove 20k mails | 03:19 |
| manchicken | Riddell: ping | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Did you do the Boston thing? | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: no. uni :( | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Aww, sorry to hear. | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Did you hear that I work for myself now? So neat :) | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. wish i was there | 03:21 |
| Riddell | manchicken: hi | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | woot! | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Patch 26 on adept... it hates me. | 03:22 |
| manchicken | Fails to patch. | 03:22 |
| Riddell | does it depend on another patch? | 03:22 |
| manchicken | I think it may depend on buildprep. | 03:23 |
| manchicken | Is configure.in in the buildprep? I can't remember... | 03:23 |
| manchicken | It's been a while since I played with that. | 03:23 |
| manchicken | Line 15 seems to be what is going wrong. | 03:25 |
| manchicken | At level 1, it complains about line 15, and I don't think that levels 0 and 2 are appropriate since it can't even figure out what file to patch. | 03:26 |
| manchicken | Yeah, that's what it is, it's dependent on some other step in the build process. | 03:27 |
| manchicken | configure.in is missing. | 03:27 |
| manchicken | configure.in.in is there though. | 03:27 |
| Riddell | yes | 03:31 |
| Riddell | configure.in is buildprep | 03:31 |
| manchicken | Yes... and buildprep fails since patches go before configure.in is created it seems. | 03:31 |
| Riddell | remove the configure.in bit then and just run buildprep | 03:31 |
| dasKreech | Riddell: should we be advertising 4.0 in hardy? | 03:31 |
| Riddell | manchicken: is this from bzr or ubuntu archive? | 03:32 |
| Riddell | dasKreech: how do you mean advertising? | 03:32 |
| manchicken | Your bzr branch | 03:32 |
| dasKreech | Riddell: Well Distrowatch ran an article today and they said we can look forward to 4.0 in Hardy | 03:32 |
| manchicken | There are some crashes that I need to investigate. | 03:33 |
| Riddell | manchicken: it's probably slightly out of date compared to ubuntu archive | 03:33 |
| dasKreech | I'm wondering if we shouldn't send a correction or clarification | 03:33 |
| Riddell | dasKreech: there will be packages | 03:33 |
| manchicken | Riddell: You don't say. | 03:33 |
| manchicken | Well I need to investigate some GPFs it looks like. | 03:33 |
| dasKreech | I know. So it's ok to say 4.0 in hardy? | 03:33 |
| Riddell | dasKreech: all I see is a note that 4.0 is being discussed at UDS, which it indeed is | 03:34 |
| dasKreech | ok cool | 03:36 |
| Tm_T | errr | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | this is weird | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | functions in bashrc doesnt work | 03:40 |
| * dasKreech does like how a new Ubuntu wallpaper/theme trumps KDE4.0 | 03:42 | |
| === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away | ||
| * manchicken hugs ./debian/rules | 04:00 | |
| Tm_T | I dont get this | 04:01 |
| nixternal | mmm, Lists rock! | 04:13 |
| n8k99 | crazy people = { nixternal, Jucato, n8k99 } | 04:14 |
| Tm_T | yes | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:15 |
| nixternal | template <typename T> | 04:15 |
| * n8k99 forgot the semi-colon | 04:15 | |
| nixternal | List<T> crazy_people; | 04:15 |
| Tm_T | if I have function in .bashrc it doesnt work but if I do it in shell it works | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | err jaba | 04:15 |
| Tm_T | not good | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | s/err/eww/g | 04:16 |
| Tm_T | but now why this is so | 04:16 |
| nixternal | crazy_people.pop_back(nixternal); crazy_people.pop_back(Jucato); crazy_people.pop_back(n8k99); | 04:16 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: that would be C++, not the wonderful language of coffee beans :) | 04:16 |
| * n8k99 is merely human ergo prefers python | 04:17 | |
| imbrandon | close nuff, if !php,python,c# then end; | 04:17 |
| nixternal | OK, I have the easy part of this project done, who is ready to do all of the hard work and get me another A? | 04:17 |
| Tm_T | :( | 04:17 |
| Tm_T | hey come on | 04:17 |
| Tm_T | I have a crisis here =) | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | Tm_T, no idea | 04:18 |
| Tm_T | anyone can confirm this? | 04:18 |
| nixternal | the standard template library is awesome! :p | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | i'm just happy to get X working on my old iMac | 04:18 |
| nixternal | public class nixternalRocks extends JFrame { | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | Tm_T, functions work in my bashrc, so no i cant confirm | 04:18 |
| Tm_T | :( | 04:18 |
| nixternal | public static void main(String args[]) { | 04:19 |
| nixternal | JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "Now this is Java!"); | 04:19 |
| nixternal | } | 04:19 |
| nixternal | } | 04:19 |
| nixternal | really didn't need to extend JFrame since I didn't even use it :) | 04:19 |
| nixternal | import javax.swing.*; | 04:19 |
| n8k99 | i tried writing some aliases in my bashrc the otherday and all the shells gave me messages that they couldn't find the functions | 04:20 |
| n8k99 | but i could pass teh commands myself and they would run | 04:21 |
| nixternal | alias foo='sudo apt-get update' | 04:21 |
| n8k99 | nixternal: that | 04:22 |
| n8k99 | 's what i did | 04:22 |
| nixternal | source ~/.bashrc I take it as well? | 04:22 |
| n8k99 | yup | 04:22 |
| nixternal | unless of course you have since logged out or created a new term instance | 04:22 |
| nixternal | all of my aliases work like a charm | 04:22 |
| nixternal | did you include them in a function? | 04:23 |
| n8k99 | i even tried a .bash_aliases file like it's recommended | 04:23 |
| n8k99 | that gave me a message that the ~/.bash-aliases did not exist | 04:23 |
| nixternal | my ~/.bashrc has been with me since like 1997 I think...with some updates from Steven Harms | 04:24 |
| n8k99 | um, underscore not dash | 04:24 |
| nixternal | paste your bashrc or aliases and lemme have a look | 04:24 |
| nixternal | also paste your username and password, plus any credit cards you have | 04:25 |
| * n8k99 pulled it out and gave up | 04:25 | |
| nixternal | hahahahahah | 04:25 |
| n8k99 | no way nixternal i've seen what you can do with a scrap of information about a person | 04:25 |
| * n8k99 is no Alabama Insurance salesman!! | 04:26 | |
| nixternal | oh btw, he doesn't write for anybody...asked the mandriva guys...he is a troll there as well | 04:26 |
| nixternal | he is the only one in the world using Open_Sorc@gmail.com, it wasn't hard to track him :) | 04:26 |
| n8k99 | well doesn't that beat all! | 04:26 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: aww, so whole .bashrc seems to be ignored :O | 04:27 |
| * n8k99 thinks he shares ^^^ problem | 04:27 | |
| n8k99 | nixternal: you mean its possible that more than one person could have that email address? :P | 04:29 |
| nixternal | if they are mental possibly | 04:29 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: really? | 04:29 |
| manchicken | Have I mentioned that I hate computers? | 04:29 |
| n8k99 | Tm_T: yeah i think so | 04:30 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: ummm, seriously? because that would be a huge issue | 04:30 |
| Tm_T | its crippling me already | 04:30 |
| nixternal | manchicken: not yet, but I heard you love wax paper! | 04:30 |
| manchicken | nixternal: It feels so silky on my skin. | 04:30 |
| * nixternal dies | 04:31 | |
| n8k99 | Tm_T: yeah i was trying to write some aliases the otherday and kept getting messages taht the commands did not exist | 04:31 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: lovely | 04:31 |
| n8k99 | and like i told nixternal i even tried sticking them in ~/.bash_aliases as is suggested in .bashrc | 04:32 |
| n8k99 | still no dice | 04:32 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: arounds? | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, pong | 04:32 |
| n8k99 | i gave up and went to work on my schoolwork- or changed a diaper and forgot about it till you said something Tm_T | 04:33 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/DIP/ubuntu/diveintopython-zh_5.4b-0ubuntu1.dsc RFS | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, kk give me a few minutes i'll grab it | 04:33 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: thanks | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | np | 04:33 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: Do you have a normal time that you hack during the week? | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, from about 8pm to 3am CST 7 days | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | a week | 04:34 |
| nixternal | ya, it is called from wakeup (4pm) to sleeptime (4pm) | 04:34 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:34 |
| nixternal | manchicken: you haven't figured imbrandon has no life? hell he wanted to do podcasts at 3am | 04:34 |
| manchicken | Since I'm doing the independent contracting thing now I'm thinking of sticking some hacking time into my schedule. | 04:35 |
| nixternal | buntudot FTW! | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, i just lay off irc at times, its a time waster for me, but i'm arround normaly after 8pm all the time | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, nice, thats what i'm doing now too, e.g. workin for myself | 04:35 |
| nixternal | what's up with me writing for "dots"? | 04:35 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: Yeah. | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, heh | 04:36 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: I just got a nice solid client based out of CA that is going to help me transition into indy contracting. | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, nice, i assume not Cali the "other" CA | 04:36 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: haa! | 04:36 |
| manchicken | Yes. | 04:36 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: only affected by some users | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | i'd like to find a job out in cali , wife is wanting to go see it for a few years | 04:37 |
| * Jucato wonders what he missed.. | 04:37 | |
| imbrandon | maybe i can work in-house at apple on kubuntu :) | 04:37 |
| manchicken | There doesn't seem to be any shortage of it. | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | yea right lol | 04:37 |
| n8k99 | Tm_T: you mean this is a problem with only half the population not all of it? | 04:37 |
| manchicken | I can't remember how many offers I've gotten--even with relocation assistance--for socal. | 04:38 |
| manchicken | But I'm nowhere near interested. | 04:38 |
| manchicken | I'm a midwestern guy. | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, heh forward them to me | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | i'm ready to leave KC :) | 04:38 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: How's your Perl? | 04:38 |
| manchicken | :) | 04:38 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: I mean, one user in this system has no issues, other does | 04:38 |
| nixternal | only problem with cali, housing marking is HIGH and employment and pay is low | 04:38 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: so, err, what's causing this is the question | 04:38 |
| nixternal | s/marking/market | 04:38 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: I've got some pretty desperate recruiters calling me sometime. | 04:38 |
| nixternal | to late | 04:38 |
| manchicken | I should start a job site. | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | solid, bit rusty nowadays but a few weeks of tweakin and i could be back 100% | 04:39 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: Well if I get anything I'll keep you in mind. | 04:39 |
| n8k99 | Tm_T: now taht is a really darn good question | 04:39 |
| nixternal | ya, I know what tweakin' means to you kc folks | 04:39 |
| manchicken | They just randomly call me anymore. | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | ahhahaha | 04:39 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: doublecheck your bashrc rights =) | 04:39 |
| manchicken | Every once in a while I get one that speaks English. | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | not that kinda tweakin | 04:39 |
| n8k99 | ok | 04:39 |
| nixternal | hey you boys, get away from my anheidrous (spelling?) | 04:39 |
| manchicken | nixternal: tweakin' == cow tipping | 04:40 |
| nixternal | not in KC it doesn't | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, amonia works | 04:40 |
| nixternal | tweakin' == gettin' paranoid | 04:40 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | manchicken, tweakin == meth in KC | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | :P | 04:40 |
| manchicken | And every where else, too. | 04:40 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: KC doesn't know meth, manchicken lives in the meth capital | 04:40 |
| manchicken | There have been some rather persuasive anti-meth ads around here. | 04:41 |
| nixternal | as well as the DEA | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, ha, more meth is produced in Indepdance Mo than anywhere else in the US [fact] | 04:41 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Too true. There was a huge bust not too long ago in St. Joseph. | 04:41 |
| nixternal | that be true | 04:41 |
| * Jucato butts in and asks.. "What's KC"? | 04:41 | |
| nixternal | ya, it made the news here in Chicago | 04:41 |
| nixternal | Kansas Shitty | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | Jucato, Kansas City | 04:41 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Kansas City | 04:41 |
| Jucato | aaaaaaaaaah | 04:41 |
| n8k99 | Tm_T: -rw-r - - r - - | 04:41 |
| Jucato | Jucato: Kansas City | 04:41 |
| manchicken | Jucato: There are two places known as "Kansas City". One in Missouri, USA, and another in Kansas, USA. | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | whoops /me grabs free's package | 04:42 |
| nixternal | alrighty, time for a bowl of ice cream and some sleep | 04:42 |
| nixternal | k'nite | 04:42 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: shouldnt that be ok? | 04:42 |
| n8k99 | i think so | 04:42 |
| Jucato | good night nixternal | 04:42 |
| * Jucato contemplates buying mt.dew... again.... | 04:42 | |
| n8k99 | hadn't really seen it to be anything else | 04:42 |
| * n8k99 scratches his head | 04:42 | |
| imbrandon | freeflying, is this just a translation ? you know i dont know zh | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:43 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: yes | 04:43 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: -rwxrwxr-- | 04:43 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: I don't when it go into main :) | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, kk | 04:44 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: says my user with sudo rights | 04:44 |
| n8k99 | oh- then that just might make a difference! | 04:44 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: well didnt | 04:44 |
| n8k99 | no? | 04:44 |
| Tm_T | nope | 04:44 |
| n8k99 | isn't that 775? | 04:44 |
| Tm_T | something like that | 04:45 |
| Tm_T | -rw-r--r-- says my shell account far far away | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, looks sane nuff, your the only person in the changelog heheh, uploaded | 04:45 |
| n8k99 | and that one works properly right? Tm_T | 04:45 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: yes, only I maintain it in debian/ubuntu :) thanks | 04:46 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: should, doublecheck | 04:46 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, cool, ok uploaded | 04:46 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: thx | 04:47 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: no it doesnt | 04:47 |
| n8k99 | oh, so that's three cases, not working | 04:47 |
| manchicken | Well I'm gonna start scheduling regular time for Kubuntu work. | 04:47 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: but err, not with x either | 04:48 |
| n8k99 | now if i pull the aliases out of my .bashrc it works properly without throwing error messages at me | 04:49 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: You, nixternal, and I should get together for beers or something soon to discuss some ideas... but mostly for an excuse to meet for beers. | 04:49 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: Like a midwestern Ubuntu sprint. | 04:49 |
| * n8k99 is scared | 04:49 | |
| imbrandon | manchicken, sounds great to me, STL seems like a likely meting point off the top of my head | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | meeting* | 04:50 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: er? | 04:50 |
| manchicken | Yes, maybe a bit too far south to be an even middle-point for nix. | 04:50 |
| n8k99 | the idea of nixternal imbrandon and manchicken all meeting up is frightening! :P | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:50 |
| manchicken | n8k99: Good. You should be afraid :) | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | or we could all invade manchicken's house ;) | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | i would offer here but my wife would kill us before the weekend was up | 04:51 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: Are you in KC,MO or KC,KS? | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | kc mo | 04:51 |
| manchicken | imbrandon: We could totally do that here. | 04:51 |
| manchicken | My wife loves having kubuntu folks over. | 04:51 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: hey, the other system I'm testing is debian | 04:51 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: and stable | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | someone ask me to come to EU to give a talk to their LUG, i was like ummmm , heh, i might point them to Riddell and see if he has time, its a bit far for me to go | 04:52 |
| manchicken | Yeah. heh | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | if it was for like a conf or something i would consider it, or even if they was paying the accomidations/flight i would | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | but other than that its a bit far | 04:53 |
| manchicken | If they'd pay my way I'd have no problem :) | 04:53 |
| manchicken | Especially if they'll pay for my wife to come, too. | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | they offered to pay hotel, no flight or anything else | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | witch would have been cool, but i'm straped just moving and all | 04:54 |
| manchicken | Well it's awesome that they're interested and that they'd offer to go that far, but it still seems like a bit of a stretch for something like that. | 04:54 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | yea :P | 04:54 |
| manchicken | Are you an onsite contractor? | 04:55 |
| manchicken | I'm 100% telecommute. | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | depends on the contract, i about 85% telecommute | 04:55 |
| manchicken | I just bought a house, can't see myself moving all over the place. | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | one of my contracts is the fed reserve downtown, most everything there needs to be onsite | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | the rest i tele commute | 04:56 |
| manchicken | I think Quincy would be the closest thing to a middle-point for all of us. | 04:56 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | heh what town are you in ? | 04:56 |
| manchicken | I'm in Mahomet, IL. | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | hrm , no idea about that | 04:57 |
| manchicken | About 10mi west of Champaign-Urbana where UIUC is located. | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | ahh' | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | either way we should totaly do it | 04:58 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: GAH! | 04:58 |
| manchicken | Yeah. If you want to do it at my place that's cool, I'm just trying to be fair :) | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | i'd say we pick someones hometown though, so there is easy net access and such | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | yea | 04:58 |
| manchicken | That's true. | 04:59 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: buntudot provide hosting service now? :) | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Well when's good for you two? | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | maybe we could make it an anual thing and rotate towns in the US like UDS , only keep it close to the midwest at first :P | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Totally. | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, nah i let buntudot get taken over by canonical ( theFridge ) , ubuntuwire will be provding services soon again when me and siretart work out the details | 05:00 |
| manchicken | Well if you all want I'm more than happy to host the first one. | 05:00 |
| manchicken | And there's a super-cheap motel that isn't half bad. | 05:00 |
| manchicken | (<$50/night) | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | cool, biker bars arround ? i <3 biker bars, grew up in them lol | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | coolest peeps arround if you get past the looks/stereo types | 05:01 |
| manchicken | There are some in surrounding areas I'm sure. | 05:01 |
| manchicken | Until 5 months ago we were a dry town. | 05:02 |
| manchicken | There's going to be a new pub coming soon. | 05:02 |
| manchicken | I'm stoked about that. | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | ahh :P yea where i lived in TX was dry, that sucked | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | that Garth and Jones song beer run was litterly us in TX | 05:02 |
| manchicken | I'm a huge beer fan, so it's nice to be able to challenge folks to keep a good list. | 05:03 |
| manchicken | I had a cocoa porter earlier today. That was nice. | 05:03 |
| imbrandon | heh i stick to my corona + lime juice or sam adams :) | 05:03 |
| imbrandon | or crown + coke == heaven | 05:03 |
| manchicken | heh. | 05:04 |
| manchicken | I had a coffee stout not too long ago. | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | <-----------------this-much-----------------------> cown + <-t-m--> coke, 1 cube of ice | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | == perfect | 05:04 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:04 |
| manchicken | I think they bottle crown in my area. | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | i thought it was imported from CA ? | 05:05 |
| manchicken | In Monticello, IL. | 05:05 |
| manchicken | I think it may just be bottled locally. | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | i have a quilt made from all the purple bags i collected over the years | 05:05 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:06 |
| manchicken | That's hilarious. | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | if its a good night i polish off 1L while coding :P | 05:06 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, what kinda of services did you need, i'll try to make sure we roll those out first | 05:07 |
| manchicken | This client is going to be flying me to Vegas in three months. | 05:07 |
| manchicken | That'll be fun. | 05:07 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: web ssh and mail :) | 05:07 |
| manchicken | Why does adept take so long to build? I have no ida. | 05:07 |
| imbrandon | i just got back from Moutain View not to long ago | 05:07 |
| manchicken | idea* | 05:07 |
| imbrandon | for a potential employer, that will be nice | 05:08 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: the most important thing is ssh for me, you know the GFW :P | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, kk | 05:08 |
| manchicken | Okay, I'm going to take off now. | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, untill sparky is retired you can use it, it has your ssh key from LP as long as your MOTU or core-dev and a ssh account | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | it will be retired soonish though | 05:09 |
| manchicken | I'll be online tomorrow. Later. | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | later manchicken | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | take it wasy | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | easy* | 05:09 |
| manchicken | Will do. | 05:10 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: great :) | 05:10 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, sparky.ubuntuwire.com is the fqdn | 05:10 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: gotta, the speed to it is quite well here :) | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | its a slow sparc though, be nice to her :P | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | ( thus is the reason for retirement soon ) | 05:12 |
| freeflying | I see | 05:12 |
| uga | imbrandon: "her"? | 05:24 |
| uga | lol @ those that treat pcs as if they were women ;) | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | not pc's only servers | 05:24 |
| uga | lol | 05:24 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: busted | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: youre on gutsy? | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | Tm_T, yes | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: mind to create a new user and create alias or function to new users bashrc | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | right in the end thank you | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | umm i got a few builds going atm on this old p200 | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | can it wait a bit ? | 05:37 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: sure, thanks | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | k | 05:37 |
| Tm_T | n8k99: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527 | 05:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,Confirmed] | 05:41 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: no need to, known bug | 05:44 |
| Tm_T | AM_3: hi | 07:18 |
| Jucato | AM_3: bye | 07:19 |
| Tm_T | AM_3: hello | 07:45 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: you know him/it? | 07:46 |
| Jucato | no. do you? | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | nope | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- AM_3 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-004-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- ircname : AM | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- channels : #uds-boston #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-de #kubuntu | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- AM_2 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-004-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- channels : #kde4-devel #kde-devel | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- AM_1 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-004-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | 0945 -!- channels : #kde | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | smells? | 07:47 |
| Jucato | a lot | 07:48 |
| Tm_T | :( | 07:50 |
| fdoving | Riddell: there are problems with translations with multiple languages for the kde-guidance package. is it possible to make an upgraded package? - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/133315 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/158162 | 08:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133315 in kde-guidance "at least, four wrong language imports for gutsy" [Undecided,Invalid] | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | hey | 08:25 |
| ubunturos | nixternal: ping | 09:28 |
| Jucato | he's probably still sleeping... | 09:29 |
| Jucato | 5:30 in the morning | 09:29 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: oh, | 09:29 |
| Jucato | or maybe even 4:30... | 09:29 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: do you have SVN commit access? | 09:29 |
| Jucato | nope | 09:29 |
| ubunturos | for KDE docs? | 09:29 |
| Tm_T | ummm | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | do I have? | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | hello mebrahim | 09:50 |
| Tm_T | ubunturos: what about? | 09:51 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: there was a spelling mistake in one of kate's docs (i have reported a bug) | 09:52 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: and that's included in the current stable version too | 09:52 |
| ubunturos | (3.5.8) | 09:52 |
| Tm_T | ubunturos: translations or in "original" = | 09:53 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: I guess, original (I don't know the difference though) | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | hum | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | en (US) ? | 09:53 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: yes - see the URL http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/document-menu.html | 09:54 |
| Tm_T | yup en us | 09:54 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: no, sorry | 09:54 |
| ubunturos | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/config-dialog.html#config-dialog-documentlist - this one | 09:54 |
| Jucato | backgound? | 09:55 |
| ubunturos | douc instead of docu | 09:55 |
| Jucato | there's also "Backgound" instead of Background | 09:55 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: oh, right - I didn't notice that ... | 09:56 |
| ubunturos | if someone has commit access, I guess, this could be resolved before other distros pack it with their CD :) | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | I wouldnt dare do that straight away :( | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | sorry | 09:57 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: can I ask why? | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | ubunturos: I have bad history of making mistakes | 09:58 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: :-? | 09:58 |
| Jucato | distros will also most likely ship with KDE 3.5.8 anyway. and that is closed already | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | true | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | there's some #kde-docs or similar? | 09:59 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: so, that would mean, 3.5.9 (if released) might reflect the changes | 09:59 |
| Jucato | none. they're scattered | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | ouch | 09:59 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: yes, but that's usually inactive | 09:59 |
| ubunturos | Tm_T: umm | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | poke <your-favourite-doc-person> | 10:00 |
| Jucato | ubunturos: you can most likely ask around in #kde-devel about that. doc people would be PhilRod, annma, and icweiner. or you can wait for nixternal | 10:00 |
| Jucato | however, don't expect that the fix would be there immediately for other distros | 10:01 |
| Jucato | (unless they are daring and ship an SVN version of KDE) | 10:01 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: I had requested to change that, but I guess, KDE4 has almost taken up the environment and 3.5.x doesn't seem significant for changes | 10:01 |
| Jucato | not really. but there is no rush | 10:01 |
| Jucato | 3.5.8 was just released. and 3.5.9 is still up in the clouds | 10:01 |
| Jucato | when did you file the bug anyway? | 10:01 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: long time back | 10:02 |
| Jucato | before 3.5.8 was tagged? | 10:02 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: and posted it to kde-doc@eng.. mailing list | 10:02 |
| ubunturos | Jucato: mostly | 10:02 |
| Jucato | well then, better start poking doc persons... or wait for nixternal | 10:02 |
| * ubunturos waits for nixternal | 10:02 | |
| ryanakca | nixternal: 21:21:15 < azeem> ryanakca: I'll upload a new openbabel to Debian tomorrow, dropping that Replaces, I suggest just syncing that then | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like there is a problem with knetworkmanager on gutsy | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll patch it to work with pptp, and provide an update package | 11:24 |
| jjesse | evening Jucato | 12:54 |
| Jucato | morning jjesse! had a good night's rest? ready for another bout of UDS? :) | 12:55 |
| jjesse | Jucato: yeah i did, hanging out w/ the server guys for the first two session then on to kubuntu-hardy-catchup | 13:00 |
| * Jucato feels uncomfortable w/ the name of the spec.... | 13:00 | |
| jjesse | trying to get kubuntu caught up w/ ubuntu | 13:01 |
| Jucato | oh well... | 13:02 |
| * ScottK2 notes the Evolution in Ubuntu does NOT support GPG and S/MIME by default, but Kmail does. Kubuntu isn't the only one with catching up to do. | 13:02 | |
| ScottK2 | If the spec name gets the Ubuntu people spending work on Kubuntu stuff, I don't care what it's called. | 13:03 |
| Jucato | that's a big if... let's hope for the best :) | 13:03 |
| Riddell | that's unlikely | 13:05 |
| Jucato | which is? | 13:06 |
| jjesse | getting ubuntu peopel to work on kubuntu? | 13:08 |
| Jucato | wb Hobbsee | 13:09 |
| Hobbsee | ty | 13:11 |
| nixternal | k'mornin' | 13:17 |
| Jucato | ey nixternal! :) | 13:17 |
| Jucato | ubunturos (forgot the right spelling) was looking for you :) | 13:17 |
| nixternal | where is ubunturos go | 13:17 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 13:17 |
| jjesse | morning nixternal | 13:17 |
| nixternal | we can't make text changes in the stable branches :) | 13:18 |
| nixternal | the docs will go down in history with a typo :) | 13:18 |
| nixternal | how is Boston this morning? | 13:18 |
| nixternal | I know the Chi is pretty cold | 13:18 |
| jjesse | boston is cold | 13:19 |
| jjesse | big parade starts at noon | 13:19 |
| nixternal | oh man, that place is going to be nuts | 13:19 |
| nixternal | they are just rubbing into Joey Stanford..he has to be hating it :) | 13:19 |
| jjesse | its like a 10 minute walk from where we are staying | 13:19 |
| nixternal | if I was there, I would definitely have to go check it out, seeing as I will never get to see it with the cubs | 13:20 |
| jjesse | :) | 13:20 |
| jjesse | peoeple were lining up for a good spot last night | 13:21 |
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| manchicken | I think Canonical intentionally scheduled UDS during the world series so that Riddell could catch the games. | 14:02 |
| Riddell | oh yes, I'm a big fan of organised baseball | 14:04 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Beats the hell out of cricket. | 14:04 |
| Riddell | and this being a "world" series is great to see US sports being played on an international field | 14:04 |
| jjesse | manchicken: too bad none of the games were in town when UDS was happening | 14:04 |
| jjesse | hey baseball is played in canada | 14:04 |
| manchicken | Riddell: We're glad you noticed. | 14:04 |
| manchicken | jjesse: But that's not organized :P | 14:04 |
| manchicken | jjesse: You didn't miss much. If the White Sox aren't playing, it's hardly worth watching. | 14:05 |
| Riddell | are they different from the Red Socks? | 14:06 |
| manchicken | Oh yes. Instead of being red they're white. | 14:06 |
| manchicken | White Sox are from the south side of Chicago, whereas the Red Sox are from some ladies room in Boston. | 14:06 |
| Riddell | and what does Sox mean? | 14:06 |
| manchicken | It's bad spelling for "socks" | 14:07 |
| manchicken | It's baseball, not a spelling bee. | 14:07 |
| Riddell | bad spelling. edgy. | 14:07 |
| manchicken | Terribly. | 14:07 |
| Riddell | what do they have to do with Socks? | 14:07 |
| manchicken | They wear different colored socks. | 14:07 |
| Riddell | (at least they don't use forced capital Ks) | 14:07 |
| jjesse | not really, they wear black usually when they are playing :) | 14:07 |
| manchicken | And evidently that made up enough of an identity to use that as their team name. | 14:08 |
| manchicken | jjesse: Not when they named the teams. | 14:08 |
| manchicken | (more than half a century ago) | 14:08 |
| manchicken | this adept_batch crashing when you tell it to do something on a package that doesn't exist thing should be easy to fix. | 14:15 |
| Riddell | manchicken: easy? adept? :) | 14:22 |
| manchicken | Riddell: It looks like a simple case of failing to check for bad return and operating under the assumption that all is well. | 14:23 |
| Riddell | Lure: how do we match linux key codes to X key codes again? | 14:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: we just assign them in /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap | 14:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: then somethin needs to assign KAction to it (kmilo/ksmserver...) | 14:26 |
| Riddell | Lure: what app reads that file? | 14:27 |
| Riddell | xmodmap, duh | 14:29 |
| Riddell | well, it's all stopped working on my thinkpad | 14:29 |
| Riddell | I wdoner who's fault that is | 14:29 |
| Lure | Riddell: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap | 14:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: brightness stopped or something else? | 14:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: brightness was handled in kernel before and is now moved to userspace (gnome-p-m) | 14:32 |
| Riddell | everything | 14:32 |
| Lure | Riddell: _StefanS_ was looking into this, but was too late for gutsy | 14:32 |
| Riddell | actually brightness works on my thinkpad :) | 14:33 |
| Riddell | but nice to have a kmilo display for it | 14:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: kubuntu session in 20 minutes, right? | 14:42 |
| * Jucato wonders if the icecast thing will work this time | 14:42 | |
| Lure | Riddell: will you use gobby? | 14:42 |
| Lure | Jucato: what is icecast? | 14:43 |
| Jucato | like podcast (I think) | 14:43 |
| Jucato | cool it's working! | 14:44 |
| Jucato | http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/hunsaker-a.ogg.m3u | 14:44 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I've got this beyotch solved. | 14:44 |
| manchicken | Not too hard. | 14:44 |
| ScottK2 | manchicken: My only Adept comment (since it looks like we won't get to it) is make it faster. | 14:45 |
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| Jucato | ScottK2: that's everyone's comment :) | 14:45 |
| manchicken | ScottK2: I think a KDE4 port will actually do that. | 14:46 |
| ScottK2 | Not suprising. I've actually quit using it as a result. | 14:46 |
| ScottK2 | manchicken: That'll be great. | 14:46 |
| manchicken | I think that a change to M/V would actually fix the slowness. | 14:46 |
| ScottK2 | M/V? | 14:46 |
| manchicken | Model/View | 14:46 |
| Jucato | Model-View | 14:46 |
| Jucato | :P | 14:46 |
| Jucato | MVC actually :) | 14:46 |
| Lure | Jucato: I use twinkle | 14:47 |
| Jucato | heheh nice :) | 14:47 |
| * Jucato is content just listening in | 14:47 | |
| * Lure might want to talk on kubuntu session | 14:47 | |
| Jucato | ooh I'll hear all your voices!! :D | 14:47 |
| Lure | at least to say hello ;-) | 14:47 |
| * Hobbsee might too | 14:47 | |
| manchicken | Jucato: Qt4 actually has no controller. | 14:47 |
| Jucato | manchicken: it has. Delegates | 14:47 |
| manchicken | The controller is in the view for Qt4. | 14:47 |
| Jucato | accdg to my Qt 4 book | 14:47 |
| manchicken | They consider that part of the View according to Trolltech's docs. | 14:48 |
| manchicken | :P | 14:48 |
| manchicken | I would also consider delegates specific to the view. | 14:48 |
| Jucato | hm... the trolltech book must be wrong then :) | 14:48 |
| manchicken | Totally, because it's their library, how could they possibly know? heh | 14:48 |
| manchicken | The docs in the Qt 4 Assistant are incredible. | 14:48 |
| manchicken | I was reading them on the train the other day. Very informative. | 14:49 |
| Jucato | I have to start from the book... :) | 14:49 |
| Jucato | I still need to get used to reading apidocs | 14:49 |
| Jucato | hm... TT doc page down... | 14:50 |
| fdoving | if you have qt-copy sources you have the docs too. | 14:52 |
| Jucato | I don't but I have assistant installed :) | 14:52 |
| manchicken | You don't need the assistant. | 14:53 |
| manchicken | I just like the assistant because I'm lazy. | 14:53 |
| fdoving | qt-copy/doc/html | 14:53 |
| fdoving | fetch it from kde svn :) | 14:53 |
| Jucato | er.... that would take time. I already have assistant :) | 14:53 |
| Jucato | ringing phone? | 14:58 |
| manchicken | Okay, so I've got the adept batch crashing bug fixed. | 15:02 |
| manchicken | I'll be submitting the patch shortly. | 15:03 |
| nixternal | oh my knee hurts | 15:07 |
| Jucato | oh what happened nixternal? | 15:07 |
| nixternal | it has been acting up again | 15:07 |
| Jucato | again? :( | 15:07 |
| nixternal | I have the beginning stages of arthritis | 15:07 |
| Jucato | ooh.. old age? | 15:07 |
| nixternal | haha, ya | 15:08 |
| Jucato | :P | 15:09 |
| jjesse | nixternal and Jucato | 15:09 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 15:09 |
| jjesse | you joing the kuubnut-hardy-catchup session? | 15:09 |
| Hobbsee | has it started/ | 15:09 |
| Jucato | jjesse: listening in through icecast | 15:09 |
| Jucato | yes | 15:09 |
| Hobbsee | ah ha. connected.. | 15:10 |
| jjesse | Riddell has a gobby session up as well | 15:10 |
| nixternal | I can't listen in, sitting in class :) | 15:10 |
| nixternal | I will fire up gobby though | 15:10 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 15:10 |
| * Jucato wonders who's speaking currently... | 15:12 | |
| Nightrose | someone got a link to icecast for me? | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-30/index.html | 15:13 |
| Jucato | http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/hunsaker-a.ogg.m3u | 15:13 |
| Nightrose | thx a lot | 15:14 |
| * Jucato has no idea how to make an anonymous thingy w/ Twinkle... sticks to icecast... | 15:14 | |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: if you want to use twinkle, you'll need to grab a username and password | 15:15 |
| Jucato | hm.. according to the wiki, it's possible to just listen in using twinkle.... | 15:16 |
| Jucato | anyway nvm :) | 15:16 |
| Hobbsee | i thought some of it was authenticated (5xxx), but others of it were not (6xxx) | 15:17 |
| Hobbsee | not hard to get a username/pass though | 15:17 |
| nixternal | 510n is open for listen only, 500n is for authentication only | 15:17 |
| Hobbsee | ah, there you go | 15:18 |
| * Hobbsee notes that there doesnt seem to be much of use in this, anyway | 15:18 | |
| Hobbsee | at least, for me :) | 15:18 |
| Jucato | ouch! what was that loud noise? | 15:22 |
| jjesse | someone banging something on the table | 15:22 |
| Jucato | heheh :) | 15:23 |
| ScottK2 | Anyone out there add Bluetooth to the 'catch up' spec? | 15:23 |
| Jucato | isn't it there areldy? | 15:24 |
| Jucato | 2nd in the list | 15:24 |
| ScottK2 | Yes. The question is who added it? | 15:24 |
| Jucato | aaaah | 15:24 |
| Jucato | that was one of the first items when the wiki was drawn up iirc | 15:24 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: sorry to disturb your listening. are we going to have a meeting soon, to discuss whatever has been discussed in UDS? | 15:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i wasnt listening anyway | 15:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i have no idea. that would be wise. | 15:32 |
| Jucato | O.o | 15:32 |
| Jucato | hehe ok :) | 15:33 |
| Hobbsee | (cant trash the bandwidth too much) | 15:33 |
| Jucato | too bad I couldn't see who are speaking.... put moving mouths with the headless voices :) | 15:34 |
| jjesse | ken and i were just discussing example content | 15:35 |
| Jucato | trying to guess the voices hehe :) | 15:36 |
| manchicken | There is now a patch on bug #153710. | 15:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153710 in adept "adept_batch crashes if target package does not exist" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153710 | 15:36 |
| Jucato | yay manchicken!! | 15:36 |
| * ScottK2 is the one that was mumbling about being old enough to not like default directories earlier. | 15:36 | |
| Jucato | manchicken: now we're about to ditch everything in favor of PackageKit :) | 15:36 |
| * manchicken wouldn't mind being in that discussion. | 15:37 | |
| manchicken | Although I have never seen PackageKit. | 15:37 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it would be nice to have regular (even if monthly) meetings scheduled | 15:37 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yeah. i suck. | 15:37 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: part of the problem is that i havent got to it lately | 15:37 |
| Jucato | manchicken: Ubuntu has practically made a commitment to switch to it.. in word though, not yet in writing | 15:38 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: no that you suck, but you are the only person that cares enough to orginize one ;-) | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it's the most blocked on me | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | class-wise | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | maybe less so now, but still most of the time. | 15:38 |
| Jucato | or the only one w/ authority to organize one :P | 15:38 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it is always blocked on somebody and TZ suck too ;-) | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it probably doesnt help that i'm not running kubuntu most of the time, at the moment. | 15:38 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: what are you running these days? | 15:38 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Blasphemer! | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu atm. | 15:38 |
| manchicken | heh | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: indeed! :P | 15:39 |
| manchicken | Ubuntu isn't bad. | 15:39 |
| Jucato | at least still *buntu... | 15:39 |
| Jucato | I guess :) | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | gotta see what the competition offers | 15:39 |
| manchicken | At least it's not Vista :P | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | indeed - coulda been something rpm based | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | no, that's left to nixternal | 15:39 |
| Jucato | (heard that nixternal? :P) | 15:39 |
| manchicken | Ooh, them's fightin' words. | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | !visternal | nixternal | 15:39 |
| ubotu | nixternal: Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 15:39 |
| manchicken | heh | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | i'll likely switch back when we have decent (final) kde4 packages | 15:40 |
| * ScottK2 has tried rpm based. Never again. | 15:41 | |
| manchicken | If it weren't for my dependence on kontact integration, I would probably be dabbling in GNOME, too. | 15:41 |
| * Jucato has briefly tried... not that bad... but experience was to brief... | 15:41 | |
| manchicken | But I'm 100% dependent on kontact. | 15:41 |
| nixternal | bah | 15:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: guidance powermanager already have brightness calls (through HAL) and provides dcop interfaces | 15:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: only key management is missing | 15:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: key shortcuts | 15:48 |
| ScottK2 | Lure: Riddell is reading | 15:50 |
| Jucato | reading? | 15:51 |
| Lure | ScottK2: ok | 15:51 |
| ScottK2 | Jucato: Reading what Lure wrote | 15:51 |
| Jucato | aaaah | 15:51 |
| Jucato | ok. carry on :) | 15:51 |
| * Jucato stopped listening now... ears hurt... | 15:51 | |
| nixternal | any idea on how I can get Guidance to see my CPU speed? It worked once-upon-a-time, back around Edgy I think | 15:56 |
| Hobbsee | mouse over? | 15:56 |
| nixternal | ya | 15:56 |
| nixternal | probably a config that has been stuck since a dist-upgrade last year :) | 15:57 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: does it grey it out? | 15:57 |
| nixternal | yes | 15:57 |
| nosrednaekim | I had that problemswith that at times after waking up from suspend. It was a HAL problem | 15:58 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Just use gkrellm and don't worry. | 15:58 |
| nosrednaekim | its fixed in gutsy for me though. | 15:58 |
| * nixternal uses Kima | 15:58 | |
| nixternal | tells me my temps and my cpu speed, and it sits nicely in the kicker | 15:59 |
| nixternal | gkrellm is so 1990 :) | 15:59 |
| * Hobbsee just wants a decent weather-telling applet | 15:59 | |
| nixternal | SuperKaramba and Conky have since replaced it | 15:59 |
| nixternal | plus, I never see my desktop anyways | 15:59 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: LiquidWeather for SuperKaramba is about the best I have ever seen | 15:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah, had forgottena bout SK | 16:00 |
| * ScottK2 ought to look at Kima. | 16:01 | |
| * nosrednaekim thinks of screenlets | 16:02 | |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: How do I set up kima? | 16:04 |
| nixternal | add it to your kicker, it is an applet | 16:05 |
| Tm_T | AM_1: hellooo | 16:14 |
| * Lure has to run, bbl | 16:14 | |
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| ScottK2 | nixternal: kima works. Thanks. | 16:33 |
| nixternal | yup | 16:36 |
| * nixternal heads home | 16:36 | |
| Jucato | yay!! | 16:37 |
| Jucato | hm... how many hours of classes? O.o | 16:37 |
| jjesse | yay what? | 16:37 |
| Jucato | he's heading home | 16:37 |
| Jucato | and I'm heading for bed (maybe...) | 16:37 |
| seele | Riddell: ping | 17:01 |
| ubunturos | nixternal: ping | 17:13 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: ping | 17:27 |
| Riddell | seele: pong | 17:34 |
| Riddell | ubunturos: pong | 17:34 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: there's a small spelling mistake in Kate's doc - I have reported a bug. Since it is a small bug, I wished to put it across here | 17:35 |
| Riddell | ubunturos: make a patch and I'm happy to apply | 17:35 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: well, the patch is really small | 17:36 |
| ubunturos | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/config-dialog.html#config-dialog-documentlist - URL | 17:36 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: Doucment should be "Document" | 17:36 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: Backgound should be "Background" - thanks to jucato | 17:36 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: and there's %filename whose description starts with a small 't' instead of a 'T' | 17:37 |
| seele | Riddell: do you have time and do you care to talk about printing some time later? | 17:37 |
| Riddell | seele: yes, can do | 17:39 |
| seele | Riddell: i have (another) meeting at 14:30, so sometime after 15:30? | 17:39 |
| seele | i dunno if they set up conference phones or not, might be worth me calling you | 17:40 |
| ubunturos | Riddell: when you're done with it, you can mark the bug as resolved - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149857 | 17:40 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 149857 in general "typo Capitalization of the first word in description" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 17:40 |
| Riddell | seele: hmm, I doubt we have a spare conference phone | 17:42 |
| uga | re | 17:57 |
| lovre | hi all. can some1 help me with kdevelop, i get an error at startup | 18:39 |
| lovre | hm, now i dont get it.... weird...... :S :x never mind, if it appears again, ill take a screenshot | 18:40 |
| lovre | any1 here? | 18:55 |
| Riddell | lovre: developer summit is on | 19:00 |
| Riddell | kdevelop questions generally best in #kdevelop | 19:00 |
| _buz | any chance to see kde4rc1 today? | 19:01 |
| lovre | Riddell: thanx | 19:01 |
| Riddell | _buz: nixternal was packaging it | 19:01 |
| Riddell | not sure of the progress | 19:02 |
| _buz | i'm hoping for more luck than with beta3 | 19:02 |
| _buz | but good to hear that its being worked on ;) | 19:02 |
| _buz | (plasma might help silence the "omg time machine" stupidity i've been hearing for the past few days) | 19:03 |
| mhb | hi folks, how's UDS going for KDE? | 19:13 |
| Riddell | I got compiz working on my computer! | 19:17 |
| Riddell | burning windows! | 19:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: wow | 19:17 |
| mhb | is that what's uds is about? :D | 19:17 |
| jjesse | Riddell: awesome, does it work better then when we wre working on it in the ssesion? can you help me out w/ my laptop :) | 19:17 |
| Riddell | sure, find the right people and problems can be solved in minutes rather than months | 19:17 |
| Riddell | jjesse: windows wobble and burn now, which is the important stuff | 19:18 |
| Riddell | jjesse: ask mvo | 19:18 |
| Riddell | he knows all | 19:18 |
| jjesse | Riddell: guess that is the importnant stuff | 19:18 |
| jjesse | Riddell: ok i'll have to track him down | 19:18 |
| * nixternal uses Compiz on my Kubuntu desktop with the FREE ATI drivers | 19:19 | |
| nixternal | and it works nicely | 19:19 |
| nixternal | and I didn't have to tweak anything | 19:20 |
| jjesse | nixternal: kde-window-manager crashes out for me | 19:20 |
| nixternal | I am going to put it on my laptop, I love super+e | 19:20 |
| nixternal | forget what it is called, but I love the effect for changing workspaces | 19:20 |
| nixternal | adept_updater is the only thing that needs fixing, besides the shadows | 19:21 |
| DrakeJustice_ | nixternal: was?? what card? | 19:21 |
| nixternal | to fix Katapult is easy | 19:21 |
| nixternal | Radon 9700 | 19:21 |
| DrakeJustice_ | nixternal: oh... | 19:21 |
| nixternal | works great on my Intel card as well | 19:21 |
| jjesse | nice | 19:21 |
| nixternal | and my Gefore 4 mx 420 | 19:21 |
| nixternal | :) | 19:21 |
| DrakeJustice_ | i hate the 200m with a passion | 19:21 |
| nixternal | I have 2 old video cards :) | 19:21 |
| nixternal | I believe the ati driver that gets used on my machine is the r300 | 19:22 |
| DrakeJustice_ | nixternal: i wish i had two old video cards, they would be more tuxish prolly | 19:22 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I will work on the KDE 4 RC1 packages today some more...have to create kdebase-runtime from scratch | 19:22 |
| _buz | i happen to have a GMA X3100 and frankly, compiz sucks under kde | 19:22 |
| _buz | nixternal: any chance to see up to date plasma-playground? without that, plasma is pretty useless | 19:23 |
| DrakeJustice_ | _buz: compiz has more issuez than KDE or even KDE4 believe me | 19:23 |
| _buz | DrakeJustice_: i know, but it's slightly better under gnome | 19:23 |
| DrakeJustice_ | _buz: wow, unaware... | 19:23 |
| _buz | at least in my case i didnt see two or three weird artifacts i had with kde | 19:24 |
| DrakeJustice_ | such cannot wait for KDE 4.5... | 19:24 |
| DrakeJustice_ | kde 3.5 has some kicker non-compliance... everything else was good for me | 19:25 |
| _buz | i occasionally had really weird menu artifacts | 19:25 |
| DrakeJustice_ | _buz: shadows... | 19:25 |
| _buz | and i never got compiz to work with dual head | 19:27 |
| _buz | which is way more important to me than flashy effects | 19:27 |
| DrakeJustice_ | _buz: what card? | 19:27 |
| _buz | GMA X3100 | 19:28 |
| nixternal | _buz: I plan on having plasma-playground as well..that is the other new package | 19:28 |
| _buz | neat ;) | 19:28 |
| nixternal | anyone know how to create a local ODBC data source? | 19:28 |
| jjesse | in windows i used to :) | 19:29 |
| _buz | i think there are odbc drivers for mysql | 19:29 |
| nixternal | ya, everything I have seen so far is windows | 19:29 |
| _buz | i think it IS a windows technology mostly | 19:29 |
| nixternal | there is unixODBC..hopefully it is in the repos | 19:30 |
| nixternal | seems it is already installed | 19:30 |
| jjesse | Riddell: what room ar ey ou in know? | 19:44 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kdebase-runtime? | 19:44 |
| Riddell | jjesse: A | 19:44 |
| jjesse | ah | 19:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: yes, it is a new package that contains all of the runtime files | 19:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I don't see it on ktown | 19:45 |
| nixternal | I downloaded it | 19:45 |
| Riddell | where from? | 19:45 |
| nixternal | ktown | 19:46 |
| jjesse | hrmm not enjoying my partial compizz | 19:49 |
| jpatrick | evin | 19:56 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: 09:18:08 #ubuntu-motu: < azeem> ryanakca: openbabel_2.1.1-2 is in Debian incoming now | 21:02 |
| jjesse | Riddell: are you enjoying this converstation? | 21:04 |
| Riddell | per user hibernation? | 21:05 |
| jjesse | yes | 21:06 |
| Riddell | if I wasn't looking at him, I'd say it was a Corey topic | 21:06 |
| bddebian | Heya | 21:40 |
| jjesse | hello bddebian | 21:48 |
| bddebian | Heya jjesse | 21:48 |
| jjesse | how are things | 21:49 |
| nixternal | jjesse and Riddell: that is just wrong...and I am guessing that I know the Corey you are speaking of? "per user" may have given it away | 22:02 |
| nixternal | I think I figured out my mdb issue | 22:02 |
| nixternal | and I was wrong of course :( | 22:03 |
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| begert | nice, Dolphin looks pretty sweet (finally got KDE4 built) | 22:42 |
| ryanakca | crrrap. My /home partition is kaput... | 22:43 |
| ryanakca | bad super block supposedly, and then running 'fsck /dev/mapper/sampi-Home' asks me to rewrite each and every single block. | 22:44 |
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