[00:00] jjesse: I found quite a few bugs with the doc index I made :) [00:00] all bad links...the bugs that is [00:01] ryanakca: go ahead and work on the openbabel merge if noone is doing it, and I will upload it for you [00:02] Riddell and jjesse: I received an email from Linux+ to do that article, were one of you already working on it? If not, I can go ahead and get them something this week [00:05] (the Kubuntu pimp strikes again!) [00:05] good evening nixternal :) [00:06] Hi Jucato [00:06] yo dasKreech [00:07] howdy Jucato and dasKreech [00:07] any luck with contacting DW? [00:07] KDE in Kubuntu 8.04 will still be based on Qt3 right? And it will still use kcontrol modules? [00:07] O.o [00:07] profoX`: likely not [00:07] Wait [00:08] Yes it will :) [00:08] huh? [00:08] :P [00:08] Sorry wrong number [00:08] it will be KDE 3, with a mix of Qt3 and Qt4 :) [00:08] KDE 3 requires Qt 3. [00:08] aren't we installing Qt4 though with Gutsy++? [00:08] and kcontrol modules are used in KDE 3 and KDE 4... (of course the KDE 4 kcm's are using KDE4) [00:08] just using the libqt3-mt-headers [00:09] oh, okay, so if I were to develop a KCM I could best keep it qt3 for now? [00:09] nixternal: from what troy told me, we've decided to ship some kde4 apps in hardy :) [00:09] nixternal: not as far as Iknow [00:09] profoX`: no [00:09] Qt4 [00:09] profoX`: depends on which KDE you plan to put it in. for KDE 3? definitely qt3. for KDE 4, qt4 [00:10] Jucato: well, KDE 3 I suppose, since thats the version that will be in Hardy by default? [00:10] but KDE 3 is pretty much closed now, unless you're intending it to be a Kubuntu-only feature. then yes [00:11] nixternal: actually Kubuntu already ships with Qt4, because of hwdb-client-kde [00:14] * gnomefreak wants a fully functional kde4 [00:14] gnomefreak: wait for KDE 4.2? :D [00:14] lol [00:14] eh 4.0 release should be fine (whenever that may be) [00:14] * Jucato whistles innocently [00:15] profoX`: qt4 [00:15] profoX`: We will have KDe4 desktop though we will not be shipping with it. KDE4 is the future [00:16] except if he wants it to be in KDE 3.5.x in Hardy [00:16] gnomefreak: Define fully functional [00:16] dasKreech: menu apps kind of like kde3 functional [00:16] profoX`: qt3 and qt4 are both in kubuntu, but if you want a kcm to be in the system settings for hardy's desktop, it needs to be kde3/qt3 [00:16] +1 yuriy [00:16] beable to be used as a DE not just one app [00:17] yes.. [00:17] KDE can be used as one app? 0.o [00:17] gnomefreak: you mean like the way kickoff is there no KDE 4? [00:17] Jucato: last i saw it wasnt there [00:17] it is (beta3) [00:17] onlly thing that worked was ummm plasma [00:18] dasKreech: I think what he meant was to be able to use a full KDE 4 session versus launching individual KDE 4 apps [00:18] and i use the term worked loosly [00:18] sort of like you can with oh i dont know "GNOME" ;) [00:19] :) [00:19] ok time for me ot go while this POS builds seamonkey [00:19] who is working on the KubuntuHardyCatchup spec? if I understand correctly there is a talk about that soon at UDS (or has it already been?) (I'm not at UDS) [00:19] soon. probably tomorrow actually [00:20] nixternal: thanks [00:20] Jucato: and where could I see the outcome of that meeting/talk, or even follow the talk itself maybe [00:21] profoX`: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1196 [00:21] you can also just keep track of the wiki page [00:21] okay, thanks a lot [00:21] I'll keep an eye on it [00:22] let me be the first to say, converting our documentation to the internet is a pita [00:22] * nixternal goes and eats [00:23] nixternal: eating docs? [00:23] you just made me hungry... and I realized I have nothing to eat in here... [00:23] * Jucato hunts for food... [00:26] Oh yeah you can launch it as a DE now [00:26] * dasKreech has fignewtons [00:28] hm... I miss those :( [00:35] Riddell: ping [00:35] Jucato: that's why I got em [00:43] Hmm Fedora will have two releases before 8.10 [00:43] interesting [00:46] they release 2x a year too. 6months apart just like us. [00:46] actually Fedora 8 should have been released before gutsy, but was delayed [00:46] spicy instant noodles for breakfast.. what have I become!!! [00:48] A spicy noodler? Just not instantly [00:48] heheh [00:48] Sloooooowly drifting away from blut [00:48] balut [00:48] hahah I don't eat that :P [00:49] I mean, not usually [00:56] hmm... if you have a "Replaces: libopenbabel1", do you really need a "Conflicts: libopenbabel1"? [00:58] woot, I have kde4 building [01:01] Sweeet [01:02] :D [01:02] * ryanakca passes a platter of cookies around [01:02] Riddell: is out at a pub [01:03] hi jjesse good evening [01:03] Wow [01:03] Jucato: good morning [01:03] Vista is great nixternal :) [01:03] I pops up a dialog to ask if I want to authorise copying a string from one app to another [01:05] Why didn't anyone tell me about comfusion? [01:09] Jucato: trying out BSD? [01:10] not yet [01:13] new ones look good [01:13] I'm going to try pc-bsd 1.4 soon... [01:18] ok back [01:19] wb jjesse :) [01:23] freeBSD 6.3 has linuxator [01:24] thanks Jucato [01:24] tomorrow there are sessions on Kubuntu, feel free to join on gobby or via VoIP [01:25] or via the .ogg stream [01:25] if/when I figure out how to do those, I will :) [01:25] install gobby via Adept, and connect to gobby.ubuntu.com as the server [01:25] the icecast didn't seem to work this (your) morning... [01:25] Jucato: the first session i think was 10 est [01:26] yep. that would have been your morning, my evening. [01:26] tried to do the icecast thingy [01:35] didn't work too well? the whole icecast thing? [01:35] didn't work at all :( [01:35] or rather, didnt work out of the box.. [01:37] that's a bummer [01:39] jjesse: I should be about 99% complete with the doc upload to the server [01:39] I am committing to my site branch and then Riddell can merge it into the main branch later [01:40] I am going to do a little testing here to make sure I got as much as possible [02:03] Riddell: I have added the docs to my website repo if you want to merge into the new repo [02:04] nixternal: don't know if Riddell is back from the pub yet [02:04] for the time being, until we work in new artwork with our docs, it has the KDE doc header/foot images [02:04] :D [02:04] pub... [02:05] mmmm pub :) [02:07] nixternal: what's the url again? [02:08] jjesse: looks like he's back :) [02:08] (and probably sober :P) [02:10] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main [02:11] oh aye, duh [02:11] haha [02:11] Riddell: nice hat you have [02:11] Tm_T: hmm? [02:11] @ [02:11] :)) [02:12] but it suited well :) [02:12] ah hat = crown [02:21] afternoon Hobbsee [02:21] hiya! [02:21] hi Hobbsee [02:22] moin [02:22] MoinMoin [02:22] :( [02:22] tikiwiki! [02:22] * Tm_T hides [02:22] ew? [02:22] bwahahah [02:23] instiwiki! [02:23] Which I can' apt-get :-( === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:41] * yuriy is frustrated with what kmail is doing to his gmail [02:41] yuriy: imap? [02:41] Tm_T: yeah [02:42] yuriy: what's it doing? [02:42] heh [02:42] being really slow and marking everything as unread (and possibly other things) [02:43] and generally the label stuff doesn't translate too well to folders [02:43] yuriy: gutsy version? [02:43] feisty.. hmm, good point [02:44] well, gutsy might not be any better [02:44] but probably worth a try [02:44] yuriy: you could try 3.5.8 for feisty first [02:47] ooh gutsy seems to be behaving a bit better [02:48] yuriy: good to hear [02:48] must be time to upgrade to hardy, then. [02:48] still flaky though [02:49] Hobbsee: you mean nothing is broken yet? [02:49] !hardy [02:49] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [02:49] hum [02:50] Tm_T: no idea [02:51] Hobbsee: I mean nothing is broken yet in your system :p [02:52] nope [02:52] excluding twinkle on gnome, anyway [02:52] :( [02:54] ebrahim: hello [02:55] Tm_T, Hello! [02:55] Tm_T, Do I know you? Do you know me?!? [02:56] humm, no [02:56] we know everything. [02:56] Hobbsee: I dont :( [02:56] I'm too old to know everything :(( [02:56] oh, excluding the lotto numbers. [02:57] ok, now I know I made a huge mistake [03:00] Hobbsee: Do you know the !lotto numbers? that would be useful too [03:01] Tm_T, how old are you? [03:01] ebrahim: 112 years old [03:01] Tm_T, :D [03:13] I just simply love this [03:14] oh boy... I really need more ram, 1 G gone and swap has usage of 200 M [03:15] what are you doing? [03:16] like to have my process tree? [03:16] not overly [03:16] but that seems quite high [03:16] well yes it is high [03:17] but some process listing explains it better than I do [03:18] wow, no more 8.5 loads :)) [03:19] I did just remove 20k mails [03:21] Riddell: ping [03:21] Hobbsee: Did you do the Boston thing? [03:21] manchicken: no. uni :( [03:21] Aww, sorry to hear. [03:21] Did you hear that I work for myself now? So neat :) [03:21] yeah. wish i was there [03:21] manchicken: hi [03:21] woot! [03:22] Riddell: Patch 26 on adept... it hates me. [03:22] Fails to patch. [03:22] does it depend on another patch? [03:23] I think it may depend on buildprep. [03:23] Is configure.in in the buildprep? I can't remember... [03:23] It's been a while since I played with that. [03:25] Line 15 seems to be what is going wrong. [03:26] At level 1, it complains about line 15, and I don't think that levels 0 and 2 are appropriate since it can't even figure out what file to patch. [03:27] Yeah, that's what it is, it's dependent on some other step in the build process. [03:27] configure.in is missing. [03:27] configure.in.in is there though. [03:31] yes [03:31] configure.in is buildprep [03:31] Yes... and buildprep fails since patches go before configure.in is created it seems. [03:31] remove the configure.in bit then and just run buildprep [03:31] Riddell: should we be advertising 4.0 in hardy? [03:32] manchicken: is this from bzr or ubuntu archive? [03:32] dasKreech: how do you mean advertising? [03:32] Your bzr branch [03:32] Riddell: Well Distrowatch ran an article today and they said we can look forward to 4.0 in Hardy [03:33] There are some crashes that I need to investigate. [03:33] manchicken: it's probably slightly out of date compared to ubuntu archive [03:33] I'm wondering if we shouldn't send a correction or clarification [03:33] dasKreech: there will be packages [03:33] Riddell: You don't say. [03:33] Well I need to investigate some GPFs it looks like. [03:33] I know. So it's ok to say 4.0 in hardy? [03:34] dasKreech: all I see is a note that 4.0 is being discussed at UDS, which it indeed is [03:36] ok cool [03:39] errr [03:39] this is weird [03:40] functions in bashrc doesnt work [03:42] * dasKreech does like how a new Ubuntu wallpaper/theme trumps KDE4.0 === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away [04:00] * manchicken hugs ./debian/rules [04:01] I dont get this [04:13] mmm, Lists rock! [04:14] crazy people = { nixternal, Jucato, n8k99 } [04:15] yes [04:15] lol [04:15] template [04:15] * n8k99 forgot the semi-colon [04:15] List crazy_people; [04:15] if I have function in .bashrc it doesnt work but if I do it in shell it works [04:15] err jaba [04:15] not good [04:16] s/err/eww/g [04:16] but now why this is so [04:16] crazy_people.pop_back(nixternal); crazy_people.pop_back(Jucato); crazy_people.pop_back(n8k99); [04:16] imbrandon: that would be C++, not the wonderful language of coffee beans :) [04:17] * n8k99 is merely human ergo prefers python [04:17] close nuff, if !php,python,c# then end; [04:17] OK, I have the easy part of this project done, who is ready to do all of the hard work and get me another A? [04:17] :( [04:17] hey come on [04:17] I have a crisis here =) [04:18] Tm_T, no idea [04:18] anyone can confirm this? [04:18] the standard template library is awesome! :p [04:18] i'm just happy to get X working on my old iMac [04:18] public class nixternalRocks extends JFrame { [04:18] Tm_T, functions work in my bashrc, so no i cant confirm [04:18] :( [04:19] public static void main(String args[]) { [04:19] JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "Now this is Java!"); [04:19] } [04:19] } [04:19] really didn't need to extend JFrame since I didn't even use it :) [04:19] import javax.swing.*; [04:20] i tried writing some aliases in my bashrc the otherday and all the shells gave me messages that they couldn't find the functions [04:21] but i could pass teh commands myself and they would run [04:21] alias foo='sudo apt-get update' [04:22] nixternal: that [04:22] 's what i did [04:22] source ~/.bashrc I take it as well? [04:22] yup [04:22] unless of course you have since logged out or created a new term instance [04:22] all of my aliases work like a charm [04:23] did you include them in a function? [04:23] i even tried a .bash_aliases file like it's recommended [04:23] that gave me a message that the ~/.bash-aliases did not exist [04:24] my ~/.bashrc has been with me since like 1997 I think...with some updates from Steven Harms [04:24] um, underscore not dash [04:24] paste your bashrc or aliases and lemme have a look [04:25] also paste your username and password, plus any credit cards you have [04:25] * n8k99 pulled it out and gave up [04:25] hahahahahah [04:25] no way nixternal i've seen what you can do with a scrap of information about a person [04:26] * n8k99 is no Alabama Insurance salesman!! [04:26] oh btw, he doesn't write for anybody...asked the mandriva guys...he is a troll there as well [04:26] he is the only one in the world using Open_Sorc@gmail.com, it wasn't hard to track him :) [04:26] well doesn't that beat all! [04:27] imbrandon: aww, so whole .bashrc seems to be ignored :O [04:27] * n8k99 thinks he shares ^^^ problem [04:29] nixternal: you mean its possible that more than one person could have that email address? :P [04:29] if they are mental possibly [04:29] n8k99: really? [04:29] Have I mentioned that I hate computers? [04:30] Tm_T: yeah i think so [04:30] n8k99: ummm, seriously? because that would be a huge issue [04:30] its crippling me already [04:30] manchicken: not yet, but I heard you love wax paper! [04:30] nixternal: It feels so silky on my skin. [04:31] * nixternal dies [04:31] Tm_T: yeah i was trying to write some aliases the otherday and kept getting messages taht the commands did not exist [04:31] n8k99: lovely [04:32] and like i told nixternal i even tried sticking them in ~/.bash_aliases as is suggested in .bashrc [04:32] still no dice [04:32] imbrandon: arounds? [04:32] freeflying, pong [04:33] i gave up and went to work on my schoolwork- or changed a diaper and forgot about it till you said something Tm_T [04:33] imbrandon: http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/DIP/ubuntu/diveintopython-zh_5.4b-0ubuntu1.dsc RFS [04:33] freeflying, kk give me a few minutes i'll grab it [04:33] imbrandon: thanks [04:33] np [04:34] imbrandon: Do you have a normal time that you hack during the week? [04:34] manchicken, from about 8pm to 3am CST 7 days [04:34] a week [04:34] ya, it is called from wakeup (4pm) to sleeptime (4pm) [04:34] heh [04:34] lol [04:34] manchicken: you haven't figured imbrandon has no life? hell he wanted to do podcasts at 3am [04:35] Since I'm doing the independent contracting thing now I'm thinking of sticking some hacking time into my schedule. [04:35] buntudot FTW! [04:35] manchicken, i just lay off irc at times, its a time waster for me, but i'm arround normaly after 8pm all the time [04:35] manchicken, nice, thats what i'm doing now too, e.g. workin for myself [04:35] what's up with me writing for "dots"? [04:35] imbrandon: Yeah. [04:36] nixternal, heh [04:36] imbrandon: I just got a nice solid client based out of CA that is going to help me transition into indy contracting. [04:36] manchicken, nice, i assume not Cali the "other" CA [04:36] n8k99: haa! [04:36] Yes. [04:36] n8k99: only affected by some users [04:36] :) [04:37] i'd like to find a job out in cali , wife is wanting to go see it for a few years [04:37] * Jucato wonders what he missed.. [04:37] maybe i can work in-house at apple on kubuntu :) [04:37] There doesn't seem to be any shortage of it. [04:37] yea right lol [04:37] Tm_T: you mean this is a problem with only half the population not all of it? [04:38] I can't remember how many offers I've gotten--even with relocation assistance--for socal. [04:38] But I'm nowhere near interested. [04:38] I'm a midwestern guy. [04:38] manchicken, heh forward them to me [04:38] i'm ready to leave KC :) [04:38] imbrandon: How's your Perl? [04:38] :) [04:38] n8k99: I mean, one user in this system has no issues, other does [04:38] only problem with cali, housing marking is HIGH and employment and pay is low [04:38] n8k99: so, err, what's causing this is the question [04:38] s/marking/market [04:38] imbrandon: I've got some pretty desperate recruiters calling me sometime. [04:38] to late [04:39] I should start a job site. [04:39] solid, bit rusty nowadays but a few weeks of tweakin and i could be back 100% [04:39] imbrandon: Well if I get anything I'll keep you in mind. [04:39] Tm_T: now taht is a really darn good question [04:39] ya, I know what tweakin' means to you kc folks [04:39] They just randomly call me anymore. [04:39] ahhahaha [04:39] n8k99: doublecheck your bashrc rights =) [04:39] Every once in a while I get one that speaks English. [04:39] not that kinda tweakin [04:39] ok [04:39] hey you boys, get away from my anheidrous (spelling?) [04:40] nixternal: tweakin' == cow tipping [04:40] not in KC it doesn't [04:40] nixternal, amonia works [04:40] tweakin' == gettin' paranoid [04:40] heh [04:40] manchicken, tweakin == meth in KC [04:40] :P [04:40] And every where else, too. [04:40] imbrandon: KC doesn't know meth, manchicken lives in the meth capital [04:41] There have been some rather persuasive anti-meth ads around here. [04:41] as well as the DEA [04:41] nixternal, ha, more meth is produced in Indepdance Mo than anywhere else in the US [fact] [04:41] nixternal: Too true. There was a huge bust not too long ago in St. Joseph. [04:41] that be true [04:41] * Jucato butts in and asks.. "What's KC"? [04:41] ya, it made the news here in Chicago [04:41] Kansas Shitty [04:41] Jucato, Kansas City [04:41] Jucato: Kansas City [04:41] aaaaaaaaaah [04:41] Tm_T: -rw-r - - r - - [04:41] Jucato: Kansas City [04:42] Jucato: There are two places known as "Kansas City". One in Missouri, USA, and another in Kansas, USA. [04:42] whoops /me grabs free's package [04:42] alrighty, time for a bowl of ice cream and some sleep [04:42] k'nite [04:42] n8k99: shouldnt that be ok? [04:42] i think so [04:42] good night nixternal [04:42] * Jucato contemplates buying mt.dew... again.... [04:42] hadn't really seen it to be anything else [04:42] * n8k99 scratches his head [04:43] freeflying, is this just a translation ? you know i dont know zh [04:43] heh [04:43] imbrandon: yes [04:43] n8k99: -rwxrwxr-- [04:44] imbrandon: I don't when it go into main :) [04:44] freeflying, kk [04:44] n8k99: says my user with sudo rights [04:44] oh- then that just might make a difference! [04:44] n8k99: well didnt [04:44] no? [04:44] nope [04:44] isn't that 775? [04:45] something like that [04:45] -rw-r--r-- says my shell account far far away [04:45] freeflying, looks sane nuff, your the only person in the changelog heheh, uploaded [04:45]