[00:33] <SloggerKhan> question for anyone: With the orange and black for Hardy, is it planned to be orange on black, or black on orange, or undecided?
[00:37] <kwwii> SloggerKhan: I would say more orange on black than vice versa although with the right artwork it might also be ok to do black on orange
[00:38] <SloggerKhan> So is the whole system going to be more or less an inverted color scheme?
[00:39] <kwwii> SloggerKhan: not sure what you mean by inverted
[00:43] <SloggerKhan> Inverted is where pretty much for the whole theme, everything is light on dark. So, for example, the system font color would be orange or white or some such to show on a black title bar, and all icons would be non-black to show on black, and so on. Whereas you could also have a non inverted scheme that was still mostly orange on black by using black as more of a background color.
[00:45] <SloggerKhan> But I guess that's more of a digression. You envision black as a more heavily used color either way.
[00:50] <kwwii> now I understand...let me explain things a but
[00:50] <kwwii> bit
[00:50] <SloggerKhan> k
[00:50] <kwwii> we are not planning on making the control/widgets for all apps black
[00:50] <kwwii> we have discussed making some media apps use dark controls though
[00:51] <kwwii> the orange on black is more about the wallpaper, splash screens, usplash, gdm, etc
[00:52] <SloggerKhan> ok
[00:52] <kwwii> we spent today going over a lot of this stuff, there will be much more information very soon
[00:53] <SloggerKhan> k
[00:53] <SloggerKhan> thanks
[00:57] <kwwii> happy to help
[03:25] <darkmatter> kwwii: should do it like my local setup. a nice easy on the eyes general theme for the desktop with application overrides for gimp, inkscape etc using a nice dark colorscheme (blacks a wee bit to dark. deep gray ala dark gilouche is better imho)
[03:30] <darkmatter> only one issue in that regard. I know a bug was submitted about fixing it. but currently metacity draws its colours from the desktop theme. the bug filed was suggesting it look at which theme the application was using instead
[13:40] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyTheme nice to see cimi and macslow mentioned
[14:23] <terlmann> this applet is cute
[14:23] <terlmann> http://www.jwirc.com/chat.html
[14:24]  * terlmann basks in the 13 pages of comments on his ONE measly forum post in the ubuntu forums several weeks ago... *cuddles*
[14:24] <terlmann> hey guys I am on vacation... just wanted to drop in.
[14:27] <terlmann> some really interesting comments in there.... Pity little if any know what "wiki" means
[14:28] <terlmann> nothlit : nice layout in the wiki :-)
[14:30] <terlmann> in the /Incoming page there could be a few more lines to point users to ~/Hardy , perhaps a description or two of the links there, but it looks NICE
[14:35] <terlmann> hey kwwii ! got a template of colors yet ?
[14:36] <terlmann> ...
[14:40]  * terlmann *slithers* *starts timer* *begins tickling #*
[14:44] <lassegul> nothlit, you awake?
[14:45]  * terlmann grabs lassegul and drags him upstairs
[14:45]  * terlmann whispers " their all zombies !!!"
[14:45] <terlmann> obscure ?
[14:45] <lassegul> terlmann, a little
[14:45] <terlmann> :-)
[14:46] <terlmann> have you seen that thread man ?
[14:46] <terlmann> I could wear it like a sweater
[14:46] <terlmann> pages and pages of comments
[14:46] <lassegul> what thread?
[14:46] <terlmann> some might be a little thin though
[14:46]  * terlmann shivers
[14:46] <terlmann> the one over on the forums
[14:46] <lassegul> do you have a link, maybe?
[14:47] <terlmann> its on the front page in the art forum
[14:47] <terlmann> on the ubuntu forums
[14:47] <terlmann> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565685
[14:49] <lassegul> what am i supposed to read from this?
[14:50] <terlmann> someone needs to follow this up with some sort of "MASTER HOW-TO :participate in artwork"
[14:50] <terlmann> as all good howtos go of course, in the forums :-)
[14:50] <lassegul> yeah, thats probably good. why dont you direct them to the wikis, ask them to post their stuff their, instead of in the thread.
[14:51] <terlmann> more than just that
[14:52] <terlmann> we have artists who are total noobs as far as the word "wiki", "rules" , and "quality" are concerned who might be better if a good ol classical howto thread was posted in the forum...
[14:52] <terlmann> all the best howtos are there :-)
[14:53] <terlmann> nothlit ... I take my words back.. your wiki is counter-instinctive and harder to use... I just hope you have some good plans for the ubuntu-art.org site
[16:27] <kwwii> andreasn: http://sinecera.de/HARDY_EXAMPLES.tar.bz2
[18:14] <nothlit> ...lololol
[18:58] <kwwii> hi nothlit
[18:58] <kwwii> I am starting to put information together for the Hardy design page
[19:03] <nothlit> cool, are you going to wikify it or should we?
[19:23] <kwwii> nothlit: working directly in the wiki...once I get a bit further I will let you know and you can tell me how ugly it is and all the things that I forgot :p
[19:26] <andreasn> kwwii: looks like you dig your music ;)
[19:27] <darkmatter> good afternoon my lil' hoomans :)
[19:27] <kwwii> andreasn: definitely :-)
[19:27] <kwwii> I waited until I got to america to buy this CD
[19:27] <andreasn> kwwii: what is it+
[19:27] <andreasn> ?
[19:29] <kwwii> ben harper
[20:33] <kwwii> lassegul, nothlit, andreasn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign
[21:08] <Yodude> hello
[21:09] <Yodude> adreasn: are u there ?
[21:09] <Yodude> andreasn: are you there ?
[21:09] <andreasn> Yodude: in a meeting
[21:10] <Yodude> oh k
[21:14] <Yodude> when the meeting is over tell me
[21:37] <nothlit> kwwii: i'd just include 3 or 4 of the most salient examples and keep the rest in the zip for d/l--in terms of palette ideas i think we'd need something more selective in spectrum to convey the concept itself, but thats all pretty useless until we have a few :)
[21:38] <nothlit> kwwii: its not ugly, just really long already =p, and not under Hardy/Default or Hardy/Official but i'm guessing you'll move it once its more complete
[21:41] <Yodude> hello, i just wanted to ask you guys if i could help renewing the "mark all upgrades" icon in synapti
[21:42] <lassegul> Yodude, what have you got?
[21:43] <Yodude> lasselgul: nothing at the moment, but i have an idea
[21:44] <Yodude> we could use the computer icon found in "Places" in the gnome menu
[21:44] <Yodude> combined with a arrow icon pointing upwards
[21:44] <Yodude> no ?
[21:46] <Yodude> =-O
[21:48] <Yodude> lassegul: don't you think ??
[21:49] <lassegul> that might be smart, but i dont think theres a point in doing this before hardy, because hardy will have new computer- and arrowicons.
[21:49] <Yodude> oh
[21:49] <Yodude> hehe
[21:50] <lassegul> and if you make it now, only you and maybe I will use it :)
[21:50] <Yodude> but nevertheless, it's important to combine the two icons in hardy
[21:50] <Yodude> i mean the updated ones
[21:50] <Yodude> cuz the existing icon really truly STINKS
[21:50] <Yodude> it's nowhere near the ubuntu-icons level
[21:50] <lassegul> maybe, i dont know if its a good icon idea anyway.
[21:50] <lassegul> but i agree that this one sucks.
[21:51] <Yodude> hehe
[21:51] <Yodude> and it's just a matter of layering the two icons ina a way to create a new one, piece of cake
[21:51] <Yodude> and hey can i ask you something ?
[21:54] <Yodude> andreasn: is it true that hardy will abadon the brown human theme ?
[21:57] <darkmatter> pleeeease say its true
[21:57] <darkmatter> everytime I see the default them I'm reminded of my sons caca when he was an infant ;)
[21:57] <darkmatter> *theme
[21:59] <Yodude> the new one might be just orange
[21:59] <Yodude> orange is fine
[22:01] <andreasn> Yodude: hey, back
[22:02] <andreasn> Yodude: finally finished with the logout dialog discussion
[22:04] <andreasn> Yodude: so what's up?
[22:05] <Yodude> i suggested merging the arrow icon with the computer icon
[22:05] <Yodude> but your friend just notified me that those 2 icon will be changed in gutsy
[22:05] <Yodude> so there's no point in merging them now
[22:06] <andreasn> in Synaptic?
[22:06] <lassegul> The new main colors will be black and orange. For further, but not complete, information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign
[22:06] <Yodude> yeah
[22:06] <andreasn> ah, I see
[22:06] <Yodude> we should wait first to have the updates icons
[22:06] <andreasn> yeah
[22:07] <Yodude> then we can blend them
[22:07] <andreasn> we have lots of other icons we need to fix though
[22:07] <Yodude> like what ?
[22:07] <andreasn> do you want to draw a new icon for gobby?
[22:07] <Yodude> btw orange and black is ROCKIN' !
[22:13] <Yodude> gobby ?!
[22:13] <Yodude> you mean the collaborative editor ?
[22:15] <Yodude> andreasn: u still there ?
[22:17] <andreasn> yes
[22:17] <andreasn> yes, that one
[22:17] <Yodude> so, humm
[22:17] <Yodude> i already have an idea
[22:18] <Yodude> using the gedit icon, i can modify it to create a variant to show collaboration
[22:18] <Yodude> or do you want the gobby icon to be unique ?
[22:19] <andreasn> lassegul had some ideas
[22:19] <Yodude> like ?
[22:20] <andreasn> hold on
[22:21] <andreasn> uploading the photo of his sketches
[22:25] <andreasn> http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gobby-sketch.jpg
[22:25] <andreasn> I kind of like the one in the left corner
[22:25] <andreasn> with the sheet and several pencils
[22:26] <Yodude> it is good but i think the one with one pencil held by several hands is more fit to the application
[22:30] <andreasn> you should often try to avoid hands in icons though
[22:30] <andreasn> different cultures etc.
[22:30] <Yodude> i know they're pretty hard i just thought of it
[22:31] <Yodude> yes and that
[22:31] <Yodude> ok then let's move to the pencils
[22:31] <Yodude> btw just a quick question, do you use the GIMP or Inkscape ?
[22:32] <andreasn> inkscape is probably best
[22:33] <Yodude> hey i just had an idea
[22:34] <Yodude> why not put draw a sheet of paper like the one found in the text editor icon
[22:34] <Yodude> and then draw 3 pencils on it
[22:34] <Yodude> but put them in positiong that mimick the ubuntu logo
[22:34] <Yodude> in a circle
[22:37] <andreasn> hm, sounds a bit weird
[22:37] <andreasn> worth a shot though
[22:38] <andreasn> need to run off to dinner
[22:38] <andreasn> catch you later!
[23:09] <nothlit> http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/wacom-adds-a-baby-cintiq-the-12wx-tablet-display/
[23:09] <nothlit> and tomorrow is international self portrait day :)