[00:01] hi [00:02] Mez: ping [00:03] 10:41:06 < Mez> (am going bed now) [00:03] Fujitsu: too late :) [00:04] Fujitsu: I noticed he uploaded a package on revu I was working on, maybe we should coordinate a bit :) [00:04] !log [00:04] Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [00:05] proppy, mez@ubuntu.com [00:06] Mez: bug #129081 [00:06] Launchpad bug 129081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Mumble" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129081 [00:07] *shrugs was a personal ptojeect of mine [00:08] Mez: I just want to share, the very little I've done so far [00:09] Mez: feel free to take over it :) [00:09] proppy, i did look over your upload breifly, but it looked very similar to the evil of the svn debian dir ;) [00:10] Mez: you can take a look at the latest generated package at http://mumble.aminche.com/ [00:10] Mez: mercurial repo here: http://hg.mumble.aminche.com/ [00:10] Mez: yep, it's a mentoring thing, so I take little tiny tiny steps [00:11] Mez: I've done only what norsetto (my mentor) told me to do on the REVU comments [00:11] * Mez srhrugs sorry if I'm treading on toes ... [00:12] but I notices stuff like [00:12] Mez: so you're likely to be way more faster that me on this [00:12] $(CURDIR)/debian/mumble/usr/bin [00:12] sorry [00:12] install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/mumble/usr/bin [00:12] which can easily be done with *.dirs [00:12] Mez: and there is plenty of mentorable out there bug I can work one [00:12] proppy, I#'ll happily let you do it if you want [00:13] or mentor you [00:13] hi noob question, hi do I enable the debugging symbols on the package? [00:13] it's just i put that package together for a project (cause we use it for radio amarok) [00:13] Mez: I didn't get that far, I was working on the license issue [00:13] Mez: I thought when I was looking at the upstream supplied rules for the first time, that I wanted to get cdbs qmake a try [00:14] proppy, not with this - cdbswont handle it i think [00:15] Mez: I think i've seen you before on #ubuntu-studio, [00:15] Mez: but I may be wrong [00:15] possibly [00:15] I'm always around [00:16] Mez: btw packaging mumble is not personnal for me, It's my first officially mentored thing [00:16] ah sorry for stepping on toes then [00:17] Mez: I will be glad to help you in any case, but my guess is that my speed on this, is not going to meet your expectation [00:17] Mez: from watching you packaging it, I can learn a lot too [00:17] proppy, I just put that package together in like - a half hour... didnt really think too mcuh about stepping on toes, it's needed for radio amarok ... so *shrugs* [00:18] but I need my sleeps [00:18] night [00:18] Mez: np have a good night :) [00:18] Mez: feel free to join the bug report :) [00:18] pyc: are you referring to installing -dbgsym packages? Or creating them? [00:18] creating them, i guess [00:19] i looked at the rules file [00:19] and i already exported the "nostrip" in the environment variables [00:20] but after rebuilding the package, it still has the same file size [00:20] pyc: how do you build it? [00:21] probably the basic build? dpkg-buildpackage - b -uc -rfakeroot [00:21] ok [00:22] ah ok, let me see, if i have my own problem ;) [00:23] i commented the dh_strip [00:23] so that it will not do the stripping, but i'm treading on unknown grounds here. [00:29] Does KDE use /usr/lib/mime/packages? It seems to ignore /usr/lib/mime/packages/dia. Does KDE only use .desktop files? [00:35] Heya gang [01:02] hmm... if you have a "Replaces: libopenbabel1", do you really need a "Conflicts: libopenbabel1"? [01:07] are you merging openbabel? [01:08] yes [01:09] ryanakca: Thought of getting them into Debian first? [01:09] what is "them"? [01:09] ? [01:09] ryanakca: actually, I think Debian should drop the Replaces as well [01:09] also, I wonder why the Ubuntu package is 14MB [01:10] * ryanakca shrugs. [01:10] while the Debian package is less than 3MB [01:10] azeem: I don't know what Ubuntu changes there are, but this cycle, I am trying to encourage getting changes into Debian first. [01:10] But, am I correct in saying that I don't need a conflicts if I already have a replaces? [01:11] ryanakca: depends, replaces can just mean "has the same file as this other package" [01:11] replace/conflicts usually means "install this one in favour of the other", I think [01:13] So, what are you saying. Do I leave replace/conflicts, or just Replaces as in debian. [01:13] * ryanakca is considering just going for what Debian has [01:13] ryanakca: as I said, I think debian should drop the Replaces as well [01:14] because, contrary to Ubuntu, there's no file overlap to libopenbabel1 I believe [01:15] ah, Ubuntu ships the static version of all the plugins [01:15] ... in the shared library package [01:19] Ouch. [01:19] Who made that crackful change? [01:20] well, maybe Debian did that before as well, don't remember [01:20] superm1_: I'll get back to you on that review very shortly. Gotta remotely fix a family box. [01:21] ryanakca: I'll upload a new openbabel to Debian tomorrow, dropping that Replaces, I suggest just syncing that then [01:21] I hope nothing in Ubuntu was using libinchi [01:31] ryanakca: indeed, the difference is that on Debian, apt-get install libopenbabel2 will not remove libopenbabel1 [01:31] I assume this is the case on Ubuntu === white_ is now known as white [01:47] azeem: ok [01:47] azeem: thanks [01:47] nixternal: ^^ [01:52] would anyone mind reviewing my package of tightvnc 1.3.9? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=468 [02:21] hey TheMuso i just returned if you are still here. [02:24] superm1_: hows' it going? [02:24] hey Hobbsee [02:24] pretty good :) [02:25] just returned from the pub with the regulars [02:25] nice :) [02:25] the asagard? [02:25] hello Hobbsee [02:25] why aren't you out here this time around? [02:25] yeah crimsun_ [02:25] superm1_: i got invoted, but am doing a fairly complex subject at uni (that i'm not liking), so thought i should stay and at least attempt to pass it [02:27] ah i see. well there is always 6 months from now at the next UDS. [02:27] hopefully you pass and can make the next one then :) [02:27] crimsun_, did you not make it out this evening? [02:28] superm1_: I flew home at 4:30 [02:28] crimsun_, oh right, i forgot you were leaving today [02:28] Hi crimsun_, superm1_, Hobbsee, ajmitch. [02:29] 'lo tritium [02:29] hey tritium [02:29] hi tritium [02:29] Heya tritium, crimsun_, superm1_, Hobbsee, ajmitch... :-) [02:29] * ajmitch sighs [02:29] * bddebian wins [02:29] hiya tritium, bddebian [02:29] Hey there bddebian. Didn't see you there :) [02:29] I'm hiding from ajmitch ;-) [02:29] superm1_: that's what i said - give me an invite in 6 months, and i'll be there! [02:29] bddebian: don't worry, Hobbsee is as well :P [02:30] heh [02:30] hehe [02:30] Where will the location be next time? [02:31] they haven't announced yet [02:31] bryce, you still up? [02:31] superm1_: great job on mythbuntu :) [02:32] ajmitch: another one bites the dust, hey? [02:32] crimsun_: how's the new job? [02:32] bryce, it looks like multi-monitor-config is set to go tomorrow again looking at my schedule? is that a mistake in the scheduler? [02:32] tritium, thanks, glad that its finally hit release :) [02:32] Hobbsee: excuse me? [02:33] ajmitch: u-u-s. they're dropping like flies. [02:33] I never did anything, it was an empty membership [02:33] bddebian: heya [02:34] tritium: pretty hectic; had to cut short my UDS stay [02:34] I can sympathize... [02:35] crimsun_, did you sort out that alsa stuff you were rushing earlier today? [02:35] superm1_: yeah [02:36] that's good since no one else will touch it for months now... hopefully you didn't break too much ;) [02:36] you'll know if the archive collapses :-) [02:36] heh [02:39] Has anyone ever thought of CIA to #ubuntu-motu? (cia.vc) [02:41] gouki, that would probably add a lot of (unnecessary) spam to the channel with how much a lot of use version control systems [02:42] superm1_: yeah, you're probably right. Just and idea, though :) [02:45] It's still fun to see development on #commits, superm1_ :) [02:46] ok, i asked about development of packages once, but could someone point me to the url again? [02:58] !packagingguide [02:58] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [03:38] this channel is quiet :D [03:38] it is the middle of night, Boston time [03:38] large numbers of active MOTUs are in Boston [03:39] Burgundavia: :P [03:44] Yet it is approaching mid afternoon in Australia, eastern seaboard. [03:44] yes, but the active MOTUs are in boston, right? [03:46] ajmitch: Yes, but there are also active MOTUs elsewhere in the world, for example Hobbsee, and persia. [03:46] BTW, we got to meet crimsun_. [03:46] its ajmitch :) [03:47] joejaxx: no it's not [03:49] ;P [03:50] there are other MOTUs then us? [03:50] no, couldnt be! [03:50] * bddebian still doesn't know what he is [03:50] * ajmitch knows that he's not a MOTU [03:50] lol [03:51] * joejaxx is not a motu [03:52] superm1_: Just a comment or two on revu for your package. [03:52] Since you're here, I may as well tell you. [03:52] I see you've fixed the cdbs stuff, and added the homepage. I would also add the year of the copyright for the source in debian/copyright. [03:52] TheMuso_Boston, okay cool will take care of it, nothing else major right? [03:52] Which appears to be 2005. [03:52] Looks fine to me, builds and installs cleanly. [03:53] okay thanks :) [03:53] np [03:55] I'm off for the night. Night folks, see those of you in Boston tomorrow. [03:56] TheMuso_Boston, i'm going to work with siretart to get this and the other plugin into debian too :) [03:56] thanks again, see ya tomorrow [03:56] Np, see you tomorrow. [03:58] B[B?O2A[34;2~ZX"S[33;2~Cccccccc 89;0m9[B[C [03:58] joejaxx: ? [03:58] sorry _MMA_ was fooling around on my 770 [03:58] :P [04:27] Fujitsu: how are exams going? [04:45] Is there a page where people can submit suggestions for future packages? [04:46] The package is already in the universe but could use an upgrade to the latest version [04:46] I would try myself but I'm still trying to read through and learn packaging :) [04:47] firefly2442, what package ? [04:47] phpsysinfo [04:48] i'll take a peek at it, i use that myself at times [04:48] normaly you would just use wiki.u.c/IdeaPool [04:49] ok thanks :) [04:50] imbrandon, speaking about packages... do you know if there's a php compiled to be embedded? (with the --enable-embed option)... i am trying to debianize a plphp install [04:50] firefly2442: packaging is overrated, download and compile from source ;) [04:51] compile a php app? xD [04:52] santiago-ve, no idea to be honest, i only mess with php on the web/server side [04:53] hmm [04:53] white: I *heart* deb packages ;) [04:54] ah well [05:39] firefly2442, i got phpsysinfo 2.5.4 packaged and working, i'll upload it to hardy soon [05:39] imbrandon: wow you're quick! thanks :) [05:40] imbrandon: is the Gutsy phpsysinfo package frozen or only changed for security issues? [05:41] yes, i might be able to push a -backport ( but those arent installed by default ) [05:42] imbrandon: do you create the packages by hand or do you use one of the helper programs? [05:43] i just updated the existing package [05:43] but mostly i use cdbs when making new packages [05:43] imbrandon: I'm just curious because I heard there are some that believe doing it by hand is better [05:44] but it makes sense to me to use a tool, just speeding up the process :) [05:44] just a matter of choice [05:44] sure [05:44] if you use a tool you still ned to know what its doing under the hood [05:46] ok uploaded to hardy, should build soonish [05:46] imbrandon: For values of soon greater than a week. [05:46] Fujitsu, hehe yea [05:46] cool, I'll keep working on trying to read up on packaging :) [05:46] bedtime for me, later all [05:47] firefly2442, if you wish i can push the package i built localy to my website if you wish to use it on gutsy personaly [05:47] ok [05:47] :-p [05:48] hows it hangin Fujitsu [05:52] imbrandon: Not too bad, but I've got exams starting in a couple of days, so not much Ubuntu stuff is happening at the moment. [05:52] white: ^^ [05:54] Fujitsu: go offline and study ;) [05:55] white: Never! [05:55] hehe === simon__ is now known as frostburn [06:23] i wonder how much breakage dapper --> gutsy would cause [06:24] imbrandon: It should be recoverable, if you really know what you're doing. [06:24] i hate to site though multi upgrades on that machine, i might try it, worst case i have to reload [06:25] well phpsysinfo 2.5.4 seems to work good, http://www.imbrandon.com/phpsysinfo/ === lucas__ is now known as lucas [06:26] i might try 3.0rc3 in my ppa for giggles, but the templates need to be updated , ugh [07:13] Oh, you can't be serious. More langpacks. [07:14] ugh cant they be built on a seperate server [07:14] lol [07:15] You'd think so. [07:15] we should have an arch_all server just for building arch_all packages [07:15] But nooo, there goes another 48 hours of buildd time. [07:15] Less than 24 hours after the last backlog cleared. [07:15] whats that url to see the queues , not on LP [07:16] imbrandon: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue? [07:17] yea [07:33] Fujitsu, hey [07:33] rember when you made that lpusers.py ? [07:35] imbrandon: Yeah. [07:35] What about it? [07:36] i'm trying to move it to a new machine and i'm getting ... [07:36] root@lab:~/stuff# ./lpusers.py [07:36] Traceback (most recent call last): [07:36] File "./lpusers.py", line 47, in [07:36] users = getMembers('motu') [07:36] File "./lpusers.py", line 32, in getMembers [07:36] for td in memberpage.find('h2', text='Active members').parent.parent.findChild('table').findAllChildren('td'): [07:36] TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable [07:36] am i missing a dep ? [07:36] It should have failed beforehand if a dep was missing... [07:37] It's possible some LP change broke it. [07:37] thats what i was thinking [07:37] true, dident think about that [07:37] and are we using ubuntu{,-core}-dev or ubuntu-core-dev and motu ? i can never rember [07:38] imbrandon: The team pages were redone in 1.1.{9,10}, so that could break it. [07:38] ubuntu-core-dev and motu. [07:38] k [07:38] I need to run off to dinner now, but I'll have a look when I get back in 20. [07:39] kk sounds good, still have a copy ? [07:39] I don't think so, heh. [07:39] k i'll post it somewhere while you eat etc [07:39] Thanks. [07:40] I don't quite recall why I didn't use +rdf... [07:40] Anyway, bbs. [07:41] there was no faof:nick in the team rdf [07:43] but there is now, must have landed ( non-edge even ) [07:44] sooo i bet we can just redo the whole script [07:44] [07:44] Adrien Cunin [07:44] adri2000 [07:44] hell infact it looks like the ssh key info is in the rdf now too [07:44] wow [07:47] Fujitsu, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/lpusers.py [07:51] imbrandon: Oh, right, yeah, that was added last release. [07:51] * Fujitsu looks at scraping. [07:52] yea , looks like a total rewrite really, hrm i was thinking about moving the keys also to a diffrent location so it dosent clobber ~.ssh/authotrized_keys too [07:52] on every sync [07:52] * imbrandon thinks [07:53] sshd won't look at multiple locations, will it? [07:53] We could possibly grep for it in the file and append it if it isn't there, but that wouldn't kill old keys. [07:53] yea i think it will [07:53] i was just looking that up [07:56] imbrandon: +rdf even includes members of subteams! [07:56] nice [07:57] i was looking at an email too in the archive, isnt ubuntu-dev now a list of motu + core-dev ? [07:57] imbrandon: ubuntu-dev should only have motu and ubuntu-core-dev as members eventually. [07:58] right [07:58] so we could just lookup one team vs two [07:58] correct ? [07:58] Yep. [07:58] ubuntu-dev, not motu. [07:59] k , just makin sure i understood that [07:59] yup [07:59] I'll make it use +rdf now. It's not much of a change, as the SSH key still isn't there. [07:59] yea it only points to the location on the keyserver [07:59] not the actual key [07:59] That's OpenPGP, isn't i? [07:59] *it [07:59] but we grab it diffrent anyhow [08:00] huh ? [08:00] The public key reference there is for OpenPGP, not SSH. [08:00] ohh right , duh [08:00] heh [08:01] still should be much easier with faof:nick now though [08:01] Yeah. [08:03] what were you saying about sub teams now? [08:04] +rdf includes members of subteams, so we don't have to check both motu and ubuntu-core-dev. Just ubuntu-dev. === asac_ is now known as asac [08:08] i wonder if multiple AuthorizedKeysFile directives work in the sshd_config [08:09] No idea. [08:09] Multiple Ports do, so... [08:09] * imbrandon tests [08:14] hrm dosent look like it [08:14] * imbrandon thinks [08:17] yea its only picking up the first directive [08:18] Damn. [08:18] there has to be a way arround it, because you can store keys in ldap somehow [08:18] i'm just not finding it [08:19] * imbrandon wishes siretart was arround, i think he knows [08:31] hi all [08:32] heya BugMaN [08:32] ok i'm off to sleep, we can think about this a little more later Fujitsu [08:32] i'll catch up with you sometime tomarrow or so [08:32] cool? [08:33] imbrandon: Sure, just finishing working out how to parse the XML now. [08:34] kk, i'm pondering just putting up a "admin" server that runs ldap and hands out auth and pubkeys, there is a patch to make OpenSSH look in ldap for keys [08:34] but that will have to wait untill my eyes arent soo tired [08:34] Heh. [08:34] OK [08:35] the script could still be used to sync keys to the ldap config, anyhow i think u see what i'm gettign at [08:35] gnight all [08:36] Night. [08:46] good morning folks [09:11] morning all [09:13] morning [09:44] Mez: Hello, good morning again, evening here my side.:) [09:55] hiya all [09:55] Hi norsetto [09:55] morgen geser [09:56] hi norsetto [09:56] warp10: hey, morning [09:56] hi norsetto [09:57] michele77: morning Mr. purple [09:59] norsetto: hello, my teacher [10:00] norsetto: my name is michele azzolari.. and yes.. i'm using pidgin :-) [10:01] s1024kb: morning [10:09] norsetto: morning my friend [10:11] huats: hello! [10:18] hi [10:18] norsetto: morning sensei [10:18] proppy: arigato (I don't know for what, but its the only one I know .....) [10:19] norsetto: :) [10:19] norsetto: I had a brief talk with Mez yesterday [10:20] proppy: yes, I saw the upload and revu and your email; what was the problem? [10:20] * Mez wabes [10:20] hi mez [10:20] he needs mumble to be packaged for a kde project :) [10:20] this is something he was looking forward doing this a long time [10:20] Mez: correct me if I'm wrong :) [10:21] Mez: it is for a radio thing ? [10:21] not really looking forward to, I just needed a package for radio amarok's team so we could chat freely [10:21] proppy: well, can't you help mez pack it? [10:22] norsetto: yep I'll be glad to watch him, and do what he tells me to :) [10:23] mez: is that ok by you? I'll be glad if you two work together on this [10:23] norsetto, It's not a big enough package to warrant two people working on it [10:24] mez: yes, the idea is that you would point proppy in the right direction [10:24] Mez: consider me as an half of one :) [10:24] mez: we have no particular attachment to this project to be honest, for proppy was just a way to get his hands dirty with some packaging [10:25] norsetto: but mez really want this thing done, we way found another project for me to get dirty [10:25] proppy: sure we can, if you happy aboout it [10:26] norsetto: no pb for me, it's just a bit confusing for the upstream, [10:26] norsetto: to have 3 different people in less that one month working on his package [10:27] Mez: but you know the upstream well don't you ? [10:27] norsetto: what about http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/index.php ? [10:28] proppy: brb [10:29] Mez: if you take over it, can you join the bug report and comments about it ? [10:30] Mez: btw you can still borrow the debian/watch file for my last upload === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 [10:53] * persia grumbles about maintainers who remove functionality rather than adding exception handlers [10:54] persia: Hah. Who? [10:55] Fujitsu: Hydrogen-drumkits shipped a drumkit that crashed hydrogen. In Debian, they removed the drumkit. In Ubuntu, we made it not crash. [10:55] norsetto: I'd like to get my hands dirty with some packaging... could you help me? [10:55] michele77: I'd encourage you to ask questions generally, rather than asking individuals. That encourages others to respond as well. [10:56] persia: ok, thanks! [10:56] Ah, I see. [10:57] michele77: The next question would be, have you done any patching, or are you completely new to packaging? [10:58] persia: I've done only one (stupid) patch in libapache-mod-jk [10:59] michele77: If it was accepted, it wasn't a stupid patch. Perhaps a simple one. I'd recommend looking for more packaging bugs, and becoming familiar with various packaging practices before making your own package. [11:01] On the other hand, if you really want to try, pick any unassigned bug from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging, and give it a shot. [11:01] persia: ok, simple patch [11:01] michele77: For packaging patches (rather than complete packaging), https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=packaging is a good list. [11:02] Fujitsu: Do we have anything that runs lintian/linda over everything yet? [11:02] norsetto: ping [11:03] Mez: I've deassigned myself from bug #129081, feel free to assign yourself :) [11:03] Launchpad bug 129081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Mumble" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129081 [11:03] persia: Not at the moment. [11:03] proppy: Was that going into Debian as well? [11:03] Fujitsu: Thanks. [11:04] Unfortunately, I don't have machines with loads of spare CPU time and a local mirror in the same location. [11:04] Hi, I am looking for MOTU's to review my package on REVU: I currently have 0 advocations : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=easycrypt - thanks [11:04] Fujitsu: These are in different locations? [11:06] persia: Yes. [11:06] persia: ? [11:06] * persia is impressed with the implied geographical reach [11:06] Heh. [11:06] persia: ah you're right I uploaded it to mentors [11:06] It would make sense for Canonical to run such checks, but a lot of such things would make sense, so I guess it's not going to happen. [11:07] persia: but since I didn't assign myself to the bts [11:07] proppy: I thought I remembered something about you submitting mumble to mentors.debian.net. I'm not sure it makes sense for us to import if it will be sync'd. [11:07] persia: is there something I can do ? [11:07] proppy: Ah. Mez is assigned to the ITP? [11:08] Fujitsu: There's a couple QA sessions at UDS. Perhaps we'll get what we want. [11:08] persia: dunno who he is assigned to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429988 [11:08] Debian bug 429988 in wnpp "ITP: mumble -- Voice chat client" [Wishlist,Open] [11:08] persia: Perhaps. It's unfortunate that UDS is when I'm meant to be in bed. [11:08]