[00:37] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_hits_20_000_downloads_in_one_week === Daviey changed the topic of #ubuntu-mythtv to: Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv :: Mythbuntu 7.10 Released :: See our website at http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com :: See http://www.mythbuntu.org/support for support information. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_hits_20_000_downloads_in_one_week [00:43] $mythbot [00:43] Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help. [00:43] *gasp* [00:43] Its alive!?! How'd that happen [00:44] it's a quantum bot [00:44] at any moment, it is both functional and broken [00:45] Heh [00:45] I'm truly surprised its alive [00:45] The "angelbot" is even dead >_> [00:46] Woohoo for 20,000 [00:47] Downloads? [00:48] (I'm not coming back, I just wanted to try to keep mythbot alive :P [00:49] anyone ever have any problems with hard drives running real slow? [00:49] Timing buffered disk reads: 26 MB in 3.27 seconds = 7.95 MB/sec [00:49] mine run slow [00:49] its strange, that is a PATA but ubuntu is giving it sda [00:50] my system boots up in less then a minute [00:50] so I can't do anything with hdparm [00:50] so I figure my hard drive speed is fine [00:50] but on my other box I have 3 drives: [00:50] rhpot1991, use sdparm [00:50] PATA there is ~40, one SATA is ~40 and another SATA is ~60 [00:51] sdparm doesn't seem to be of any help, I can't find any way tof enabling 32bit IO with it [00:51] and dma is already enabled on that slow drive [00:52] also the slower sata is 16bit IO, and the faster one is 32 [00:53] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [00:53] (ignore that) [00:53] bye, again! [00:55] tmg4883: do you know that sdparm can actually do that? [00:56] I keep seeing people randomly saying use sdparm, but there is no documentation saying it can do that, and nothing but a random "use sdparm" then a dead thread [01:01] where does mythtv keep logs of why it deletes recorded programs, etc. [01:01] ? [01:30] drive partitioning quick cd 7.10 question [01:30] $ask [01:31] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [01:31] i have 2 drives, 120 ide, 320 ide, I want to lvm both, whats the best way to install. [01:32] a new system, nothing on the system yet [01:32] hmm [01:32] do you know how to setup LVM from the command line? [01:33] i installed the first time using the defaul, second time, use the "entire disk" selection. and set up a lvm . [01:33] but not sure if this is the best way. I was thinking the os on a 50 gig partition, and the "storage" for music, shows, dvds, on the lvm [01:34] i really like the this distribution better than mythdora [01:34] whoa [01:34] is this just a standalone frontend/backend? [01:34] yes, [01:34] ok [01:34] 50 gigs is way too much [01:35] so like 20 gig for the os? and rest for lvm storage stuff? [01:35] i'd do 15GB for /, 1GB for swap, and the rest for storage [01:35] k [01:35] i like that. [01:36] IMO, 15 is too much too, but i wouldn't quabble over that [01:36] tmg4883: see what I asked about sdparm? [01:36] no [01:36] probably cause my name is tgm4883, not tmg4883 [01:36] so sounds like a custom install, and then do a manual lvm create for the "storage, [01:36] I haven't seen any evidence that sdparm can change IO to 32bit [01:36] so your comment doesn't get lit up [01:36] I read the man and scoured the internet, just a bunch of "use sdparm" threads that are all dead ends [01:37] rhpot1991, i'll admit, thats where I saw it too. I just figured that sdparm was the scsi version of hdparm [01:37] its apparently similiar, but not the same [01:37] and my bad about the name [01:37] odly, I rebooted that box that was under 10mb/s [01:38] and its just under 40 now [01:38] MythbuntuGuest66: I think that some filesystems can't be expanded/shrunk, so you might want to consider that too [01:38] rhpot1991, dont' worry about the name. Just remember it in the future if you want a quicker answer :) [01:38] LVM is the way to go [01:39] MythbuntuGuest66, i'd setup a command line only system, then setup LVM, then install mythbuntu [01:39] thx morph. i did like how mythdora created the lvm on the install [01:39] is the ubuntu distro going to include this in the future for lvm? [01:39] MythbuntuGuest66, It will be in the alternate installer [01:40] ? whats alternate installer? [01:40] MythbuntuGuest66, did Mythdora use a graphical installer or a text installer? [01:40] gui [01:40] text [01:40] MythbuntuGuest66: yeah, fedora handles that better, but what can you do [01:41] ahh. ok. [01:41] has anyone ported the late mythtivo plugin to the latest mythtv ? I really like that plugin. [01:42] I'm pretty sure you can expand and shrink ext3, but I don't know about, say, jfs or xfs [01:42] would be really nice to have included in the distro [01:42] MythbuntuGuest66, officially no [01:42] damn [01:42] on my dual sata box [01:42] I swapped the sata plugs [01:42] and apparenlty the 2nd port pulls 60, but the first only pulls 40 [01:43] ever see anything like that before? [01:44] I'd imagine they would both be using the same driver [01:44] rhpot1991, bios setting maybe? [01:44] what kind of setting are you thinking? [01:45] idk, i know there are a few setting though for that sort of thing. Maybe one that limits speed? Or a legacy mode? [01:45] I'll poke around [01:51] tmg, im installing it again, ill give it a whirl [01:54] MythbuntuGuest66, well if you can set it up from the command line, (and want to do it that way), you will need a different disk to install the command line system [01:55] hmmm apparently one of these are randomly in a striped raid array by itself [01:55] and the other is free [01:55] strange [01:55] * rhpot1991 wonders how that happened [01:55] they are both in an LVM [01:55] so its not like I need a raid array [01:57] got a recording coming up so this has to hold on now [01:58] think bad things will happen to my data if I delete that raid array? [01:59] * tgm4883 shrugs [02:00] there isn't any overhead of being the first HD in a LVM right? [02:00] i don't *think* anything bad will happen, but im not sure. I think you should look for a more firm answer if your worried about your data [02:00] this is going to be one of those nights where I break something and stay up till 4am fixing it [02:01] I live for those nights :) [02:01] I've learned more about computer by breaking them then I ever did in any class :) [02:01] completely agreed [02:01] do you run a LVM? [02:01] not anymore [02:02] is there a gui LVM and Partition Manager available? is it worth running [02:03] I recall words about running LVM inside a raid array, not sure what course I should go with my screwed up system now [02:03] MythbuntuGuest66: I've only ever used the ubuntu alternate install cd for LVM [02:03] MythbuntuGuest66, the only one I know of (and use) is webmin. And I use that on my backend system [02:03] err [02:04] on my slave backend which is also a fileserver [02:04] it has a lvm module, but I dont use it anymore [02:05] question, is webmin installed by default? or does it have to be added? [02:05] next q, laternate install cd ? where do you get it? [02:07] webmin is available in a .deb from webmin.com [02:07] and the alternate cd i speak of is the Ubuntu Alternate cd, and it is available from Ubuntu.com [02:08] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [02:08] there is a checkbox saying: [02:08] Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer. [02:08] and im not sure, maybe rhpot1991 can help with this [02:08] rhpot1991, does the alternate CD install and setup LVM for you? [02:09] it can [02:09] if you tell it to [02:09] hmm [02:09] so you might not even need webmin [02:09] well you kinda have to guide it, IIRC [02:09] you need to create the LVM, then add drives to it [02:09] fairly straight forward [02:09] yep. Sounds the same as webmin [02:10] there are some words here: [02:10] so i think i would just do it from that cd. [02:10] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID [02:10] if you already have a working system [02:10] no need to install software you don't need [02:10] just ignore the raid stuff [03:24] does mythbackend.log get purged at any point? [03:27] chuk1, i belive it only keeps a certain number of days [03:29] thanks, any idea how/where that is handled? [03:32] nope :) [03:50] Newbie question. What's the point of creating a separate distribution for MythTV when the myth packages are already in the Canonical archives? Why not just jazz up the Myth installation when you install the packages? Why do you need a separate distribution? [03:51] levander, you realize that the development for all of this happens directly in the ubuntu archives [03:51] and by the same folks who maintain mythtv in the archives.... [03:51] :) [03:52] superm1_: So, why have they split it out into a separate distribution? Why don't they just play with their myth packages? [03:52] the idea is to make it into an "appliance" setup, that is minimalistic and only installs the required items [03:52] levander, "they" is me tgm4883 and a few others :) [03:52] superm1_: Okay, I guess that part just doesn't apply to my specific situation. But, that's a valid rationale. [03:52] I'm not saying it shouldn't be done this way, I'm just asking why it is. [03:53] So, if I'm going to install xubuntu on my Myth box anyway, what's the advantage of installing Mythbuntu over Xubuntu? [03:53] levander, why release Ubuntu? Just install Debian and the packages that you want :) [03:53] levander, see that's the thing, you can go and add it to xubuntu [03:54] look at mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu [03:54] better yet, why install Debian. Install and compile every piece of software you will ever need :) [03:54] make your own distro [03:54] and rule the world [03:54] muhahahaha [03:55] * tgm4883 has been programming stupid programs for too long today [03:56] So, the difference between, say, Kubuntu and Mythbuntu is that the kubuntu-desktop package gets installed with Kubuntu, and the mythbuntu-desktop package gets installed with Mythbuntu? [03:56] final vote before I destroy stff, will deleting a striped array with a single hard drive in it destroy data? [03:56] tgm4883: chamoille tea or maybe just some Luna bars is what I do when I get in the mode I'm in. [03:56] levander, yeah exactly [03:57] levander, and you can "add" mythbuntu to an existing box [03:57] levander, pretty much. Keep in mind those are meta-packages so the installed packages differ [03:57] superm1_: exactly Luna bars, or exactly chamoille tea? [03:57] ie, mythbuntu doesn't install extra unneeeded items like overoffice [03:57] the big advantages really do come in the installer though too [03:57] you'll have to run it to see what we mean [03:57] superm1_, +1 [03:57] although the real pudding is MCC [03:58] mmmm pudding :) [03:58] Okay, I think I'm gonna go with Mythbuntu, there's a chance I'd want to get involved in development, and from what I've read, Mythbuntu is looking for more people... [03:58] What's MCC? Control Center? [03:58] mythbuntu-control-centre [03:58] speaking of MCC, the optimize database checkbox, does that add the command to crontab or what? [03:58] mcc gets installed when you install mythbuntu-desktop, right? [03:59] I already had it in my user's crontab, and I'm not sure if I should comment it out or if they are pointing at the same thing [03:59] yes, although I believe the preferred way to install is to grab MCC, then select the type of system you want in that [03:59] levander, yes we can use as much help as we can get [03:59] our list of specs is starting to grow very large [03:59] very very large [03:59] cause there is just so many great ideas :) [04:00] superm1_: Cool, I know python (which I understand a lot of myth is written in) and I'm definitely interested in Myth. We'll see how much time I have after I've installed it and played with it awhile. [04:00] tgm4883, i might propose a spec or two for UDS here, would you be able to call into it? [04:00] levander, okay sounds good [04:00] call into what? [04:00] into the UDS meeting [04:00] when? [04:00] i'm not sure yet [04:01] Daviey probably would be able to [04:01] superm1_: Just while I'm mulling it over while I'm playing with it, what development skills are yall interested in? [04:01] levander, python is the big one. [04:01] superm1_: Any others? [04:01] levander, but once you see the list of specs, you'll see that they aren't all python [04:01] superm1_, let me invite you to my calendar [04:01] they reach over alot of areas [04:01] superm1_: What UI libraries do yall use? GTK? wxWindows? [04:02] levander, as of right now its all pyGTK for the custom GUI stuff we do [04:02] but at least one spec is goign to be leaning towards a more complex libmythui [04:02] I imagine I'd just be fixing bugs or rolling packages initally, so maybe worrying about what UI library is jumping ahead anyway. [04:02] that is in use for general myth stuff [04:02] levander, yeah get things working for yourself first (which hopefully shouldn't be much of trouble), and then you can join our dev meeting [04:02] superm1_, you should be able to see my google calendar now if you search for me [04:02] superm1_: Would libmythui be written on top of PyGTK? [04:02] actually that'd be really ideal [04:03] our meeting is this upcoming sunday [04:03] we're assigning specs and reviewing all the proposed specs and such [04:03] levander, FYI, next meeting is sunday [04:03] superm1_: Maybe, it's something I'm interested in, I may lurk in the meeting.. [04:03] How often are the meetings? [04:03] levander, if you PM me your email, I can add you to the list for invites [04:03] levander, libmythui is in C++ actually, it will take a very very large effort to do the thing we have planned for it too [04:03] but we can discuss that later [04:04] superm1_: Yall should write a paper or something, no way you're gonna get people interested if they don't have some place to look and see what the hell you're doing. And yeah, I know C++, although it's been a few years since I've developed in it heavily. [04:05] levander, yeah that's probably a good idea once we get all the specs sorted out to at least link to them in launchpad from our homepage [04:05] we'll handle that during our meeting [04:05] and cleaning up the "getting involved" page [04:05] superm1_, what time did we say the meeting was on sunday (in your time) [04:05] or my time [04:06] tgm4883, whatever is on the calendar will be fine with me [04:06] ok [04:06] i should be around all of sunday [04:06] it's 12:00pm sunday PST [04:06] so i'll shoot it out now [04:06] superm1_: Mark Shuttleworth did a brilliant interview a few weeks ago where in one part they talk about what it takes to get people involved in an open source project: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/open_season_four_shuttleworth/ [04:07] superm1_: any interest in adding the export to ipod script to the contrib folder? It works in ubuntu with slight modification [04:07] PST? Most of you guys are in California? [04:07] no [04:07] just me [04:07] rhpot1991, there are some specs about an ipod setup already out there [04:07] so yes :) [04:07] got a link? [04:07] tgm4883, you know its crazy that we got more visitors since release from alaska and hawaii than montana? [04:08] that and colorado has exactly 404 visitors [04:08] well i don't think moose have internet access ;) [04:08] tgm4883: I'm thinking I'm gonna go, but my current plans are just to lurk. Get the drift of what's going on. [04:08] levander, okay lurk in -dev actually if your gonna look for dev related stuff [04:08] this is more for a user support channel [04:09] i'm gonna get to bed though, gotta be up for another day of UDS tomorrow :) [04:09] rhpot1991, blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu [04:09] its in there [04:09] night all [04:09] night [04:10] ok, i just sent the invite [04:10] apparently I didn't send any of the invites for that meeting [04:10] superm1_, dont' forget to set your clock back this weekend [04:11] can I leave comments on the blueprint if I sign up? [04:11] i'm not sure how google calendar works that [04:11] yes [04:11] I'll do that and post what I did, I just generate the video the scp it to a sever for a friend who flies a lot [04:14] therethinker, ping [04:16] rhpot1991, are you interested in development? I can add you to the invite list to notify you of upcoming meetings and events [04:16] I'd be interested, but I've never worked on any open source project before [04:17] superm1_, tgm4883: are you guys mythtv developers? or mythtv for ubuntu devs? [04:17] well i can always add you. It's not like were going to cut off your index fingers if you decide against it [04:17] pcglue, mythtv for ubuntu [04:17] and mythbuntu [04:17] heh, sure go ahead [04:17] pm me your email [04:18] gotta register first it seems [04:18] yep [04:18] must register to pm [04:18] pcglue, are you looking for us or for mythtv devs? [04:19] hmmm do you use bitchx by any chance? [04:19] xchat [04:20] i think mythtv devs [04:20] well, i'm trying to get ivtv-fb working with gutsy [04:20] pcglue, did you have a question? [04:20] I have a pvr-350 and have X working on its tv-out, but not playback [04:21] get that tgm4883? [04:21] yep [04:21] sec [04:22] pcglue: did you check the "use pvr350 for output" box? [04:22] ok, you should have an invite now [04:23] rhpot1991, yes i did [04:23] it says "Unable to initialize video" when I try to playback a recording or watch live TV [04:24] pcglue, try installing ivtv-utils [04:24] try to 'modprobe ivtv-fb' also [04:24] then try to watch [04:24] gonna have to do that as sudo [04:25] although http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/36980 comes to mind [04:25] so that may be the underlying issue [04:25] if installing ivtv-utils doesn't solve the problem, then please post in the thread about this ongoing issue, and we can see about adding that patch. [04:25] * superm1_ really goes to bed [04:26] nn [04:26] I had my pvr350 outputting a few weeks back, but dumped it for an nvidia card [04:27] i think ivtv-fb is already loaded, although i did the modprobe again [04:27] and when i do lsmod, ivtv_fb shows up [04:27] does that mean it's good? [04:29] should be loaded then [04:29] what does ivtv-utils do? do I just install it or do I need to run something after? [04:31] honestly not sure, I haven't played with it since feisty [04:31] Hey. [04:31] pcglue, just install it. if it works great, if not i'm pushing that patch to my PPA right now. please post in the bug with your results, and i'll give you the URL to the ppa tomorrow after its built if its necessary okay? [04:32] * superm1_ really goes back to bug [04:32] *bed [04:32] superm1_: OK, thanks [04:37] Hey === MythbuntuGuest63 is now known as Duco [04:37] whats up? [04:37] I'm wodering [04:37] I have two hard drives- Could I add the second one, 60GB, and have recordings on BOTH? [04:38] I'd like to be able to extend it so I have more space. [04:38] ya, LVM will allow the 2 to act as one [04:38] !LVM [04:38] Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO [04:39] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID might help too [04:39] Alright [04:39] Second question [04:39] well [04:39] this is much more [04:39] involved [04:39] my hap, 350 remote wont work. [04:41] how did you configure it? [04:41] well [04:41] i dunno [04:42] just used the myth config [04:42] tried all 3 hap [04:42] didnt work [04:42] my friend had me make sure the remote and reciver were working [04:42] it picked up signals [04:42] if you irw it gets button presses? [04:42] yep [04:43] are you running mythbuntu or ubuntu with mythtv installed? [04:43] mythbuntu [04:44] sounds like a .lircrc problem [04:44] see if you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc [04:44] ya it does [04:44] how do I see that? [04:44] I haven't used MCC to setup my remote though... [04:44] * Duco is a linux n00b [04:44] in termal go 'vi ~/.mythtv/lircrc [04:44] ' [04:44] Duco, can you get to terminal [04:44] yep [04:45] do the above [04:45] actually do nano, not vi [04:45] * tgm4883 prefers nano [04:45] alright [04:45] totally balnk [04:45] tgm4883 is nano installed there? [04:45] blank* [04:45] should be [04:45] hmm [04:45] tgm4883 can you coach him through getting one, or should I pastebin mine? [04:46] rhpot1991, do you have that remote? [04:46] ya [04:46] if i do nano [04:46] it works [04:46] lets try pastebin first [04:46] I see all the stuff [04:46] pvr350 happauge grey right? [04:46] hmm [04:46] rhpot1991, sec [04:46] Duco, there is stuff in the file? [04:47] can you pastebin it? [04:47] yep one second [04:47] yes, the gray [04:47] !pastebin [04:47] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:47] there is stuff in it [04:47] also, can you pastebin the output of ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc [04:47] hold on a minute [04:48] im not on that machine, need to open firefox. [04:48] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42655/ [04:48] Duco, can you ssh into that machine? [04:48] I'll put it somewhere he can wget it [04:49] How would I SSH into it? Its on my network. Running vista on this machine. [04:49] http://www.baablogic.net/lircrc [04:49] !putty [04:49] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [04:50] !winscp [04:50] SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/ [04:50] is also useful [04:50] I have putty [04:50] now what? [04:51] type the ip of your mythbox in there [04:51] Not entirely sure what that is off the top of my head. [04:51] do you know it? [04:51] go to the mythbox, in a terminal type "sudo ifconfig" [04:52] gonna be under eth0 if its wired [04:52] or wlan0 (maybe) if its wireless [04:52] says not found [04:52] ernvm [04:52] keyed it wrong [04:52] alright [04:53] alright [04:53] im in [04:53] what do I do now? [04:54] run: ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc [04:54] and paste the output into pastebin [04:54] well you can post that here [04:55] cause it should only be one line [04:55] but post the .lircrc file in pastebin [04:56] duconihilum@ducodihilum-desktop:/$ ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc [04:56] heh [04:56] ls: /home/duconihilum/.mythtv/lircrc: No such file or directory [04:56] tgm4883 does mythbuntu create a mythtv user, or do they specify their username? [04:56] is ducodihilum-desktop your mythbuntu box? [04:57] rhpot1991, no mythtv user, the user is specified during install [04:57] yes it is [04:57] Duco, do you have multiple users on that box? [04:58] ah you know what [04:58]