[00:37] <Daviey> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_hits_20_000_downloads_in_one_week
[00:43] <therethinker> $mythbot
[00:43] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[00:43] <therethinker> *gasp*
[00:43] <therethinker> Its alive!?! How'd that happen
[00:44] <directhex> it's a quantum bot
[00:44] <directhex> at any moment, it is both functional and broken
[00:45] <therethinker> Heh
[00:45] <therethinker> I'm truly surprised its alive
[00:45] <therethinker> The "angelbot" is even dead >_>
[00:46] <tgm4883> Woohoo for 20,000
[00:47] <therethinker> Downloads?
[00:48] <therethinker> (I'm not coming back, I just wanted to try to keep mythbot alive :P
[00:49] <rhpot1991> anyone ever have any problems with hard drives running real slow?
[00:49] <rhpot1991> Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.27 seconds =   7.95 MB/sec
[00:49] <tgm4883> mine run slow
[00:49] <rhpot1991> its strange, that is a PATA but ubuntu is giving it sda
[00:50] <solarbaby> my system boots up in less then a minute
[00:50] <rhpot1991> so I can't do anything with hdparm
[00:50] <solarbaby> so I figure my hard drive speed is fine
[00:50] <rhpot1991> but on my other box I have 3 drives:
[00:50] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, use sdparm
[00:50] <rhpot1991> PATA there is ~40, one SATA is ~40 and another SATA is ~60
[00:51] <rhpot1991> sdparm doesn't seem to be of any help, I can't find any way tof enabling 32bit IO with it
[00:51] <rhpot1991> and dma is already enabled on that slow drive
[00:52] <rhpot1991> also the slower sata is 16bit IO, and the faster one is 32
[00:53] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[00:53] <therethinker> (ignore that)
[00:53] <therethinker> bye, again!
[00:55] <rhpot1991> tmg4883: do you know that sdparm can actually do that?
[00:56] <rhpot1991> I keep seeing people randomly saying use sdparm, but there is no documentation saying it can do that, and nothing but a random "use sdparm" then a dead thread
[01:01] <tritium> where does mythtv keep logs of why it deletes recorded programs, etc.
[01:01] <tritium> ?
[01:30] <MythbuntuGuest66> drive partitioning quick cd 7.10 question
[01:30] <tgm4883> $ask
[01:31] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:31] <MythbuntuGuest66> i have 2 drives, 120 ide, 320 ide, I want to lvm both, whats the best way to install.
[01:32] <MythbuntuGuest66> a new system, nothing on the system yet
[01:32] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:32] <tgm4883> do you know how to setup LVM from the command line?
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest66> i installed the first time using the defaul, second time, use the "entire disk" selection. and set up a lvm .
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest66> but not sure if this is the best way. I was thinking the os on a 50 gig partition, and the "storage" for music, shows, dvds, on the lvm
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest66> i really like the this distribution better than mythdora
[01:34] <tgm4883> whoa
[01:34] <tgm4883> is this just a standalone frontend/backend?
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest66> yes,
[01:34] <tgm4883> ok
[01:34] <tgm4883> 50 gigs is way too much
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> so like 20 gig for the os? and rest for lvm storage stuff?
[01:35] <tgm4883> i'd do 15GB for /, 1GB for swap, and the rest for storage
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> k
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> i like that.
[01:36] <tgm4883> IMO, 15 is too much too, but i wouldn't quabble over that
[01:36] <rhpot1991> tmg4883: see what I asked about sdparm?
[01:36] <tgm4883> no
[01:36] <tgm4883> probably cause my name is tgm4883, not tmg4883
[01:36] <MythbuntuGuest66> so sounds like a custom install, and then do a manual lvm create for the "storage,
[01:36] <rhpot1991> I haven't seen any evidence that sdparm can change IO to 32bit
[01:36] <tgm4883> so your comment doesn't get lit up
[01:36] <rhpot1991> I read the man and scoured the internet, just a bunch of "use sdparm" threads that are all dead ends
[01:37] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, i'll admit, thats where I saw it too.  I just figured that sdparm was the scsi version of hdparm
[01:37] <rhpot1991> its apparently similiar, but not the same
[01:37] <rhpot1991> and my bad about the name
[01:37] <rhpot1991> odly, I rebooted that box that was under 10mb/s
[01:38] <rhpot1991> and its just under 40 now
[01:38] <morphinex> MythbuntuGuest66: I think that some filesystems can't be expanded/shrunk, so you might want to consider that too
[01:38] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, dont' worry about the name.  Just remember it in the future if you want a quicker answer :)
[01:38] <rhpot1991> LVM is the way to go
[01:39] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, i'd setup a command line only system, then setup LVM, then install mythbuntu
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest66> thx morph. i did like how mythdora created the lvm on the install
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest66> is the ubuntu distro going to include this in the future for lvm?
[01:39] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, It will be in the alternate installer
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest66> ? whats alternate installer?
[01:40] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, did Mythdora use a graphical installer or a text installer?
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest66> gui
[01:40] <tgm4883> text
[01:40] <morphinex> MythbuntuGuest66: yeah, fedora handles that better, but what can you do
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest66> ahh. ok.
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest66> has anyone ported the late mythtivo plugin to the latest mythtv ? I really like that plugin.
[01:42] <morphinex> I'm pretty sure you can expand and shrink ext3, but I don't know about, say, jfs or xfs
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest66> would be really nice to have included in the distro
[01:42] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, officially no
[01:42] <rhpot1991> damn
[01:42] <rhpot1991> on my dual sata box
[01:42] <rhpot1991> I swapped the sata plugs
[01:42] <rhpot1991> and apparenlty the 2nd port pulls 60, but the first only pulls 40
[01:43] <rhpot1991> ever see anything like that before?
[01:44] <rhpot1991> I'd imagine they would both be using the same driver
[01:44] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, bios setting maybe?
[01:44] <rhpot1991> what kind of setting are you thinking?
[01:45] <tgm4883> idk, i know there are a few setting though for that sort of thing.  Maybe one that limits speed?  Or a legacy mode?
[01:45] <rhpot1991> I'll poke around
[01:51] <MythbuntuGuest66> tmg, im installing it again, ill give it a whirl
[01:54] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, well if you can set it up from the command line, (and want to do it that way), you will need a different disk to install the command line system
[01:55] <rhpot1991> hmmm apparently one of these are randomly in a striped raid array by itself
[01:55] <rhpot1991> and the other is free
[01:55] <tgm4883> strange
[01:55]  * rhpot1991 wonders how that happened
[01:55] <rhpot1991> they are both in an LVM
[01:55] <rhpot1991> so its not like I need a raid array
[01:57] <rhpot1991> got a recording coming up so this has to hold on now
[01:58] <rhpot1991> think bad things will happen to my data if I delete that raid array?
[01:59]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[02:00] <rhpot1991> there isn't any overhead of being the first HD in a LVM right?
[02:00] <tgm4883> i don't *think* anything bad will happen, but im not sure.  I think you should look for a more firm answer if your worried about your data
[02:00] <rhpot1991> this is going to be one of those nights where I break something and stay up till 4am fixing it
[02:01] <tgm4883> I live for those nights :)
[02:01] <tgm4883> I've learned more about computer by breaking them then I ever did in any class :)
[02:01] <rhpot1991> completely agreed
[02:01] <rhpot1991> do you run a LVM?
[02:01] <tgm4883> not anymore
[02:02] <MythbuntuGuest66> is there a gui LVM and Partition Manager available? is it worth running
[02:03] <rhpot1991> I recall words about running LVM inside a raid array, not sure what course I should go with my screwed up system now
[02:03] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest66: I've only ever used the ubuntu alternate install cd for LVM
[02:03] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, the only one I know of (and use) is webmin. And I use that on my backend system
[02:03] <tgm4883> err
[02:04] <tgm4883> on my slave backend which is also a fileserver
[02:04] <tgm4883> it has a lvm module, but I dont use it anymore
[02:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> question, is webmin installed by default? or does it have to be added?
[02:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> next q, laternate install cd ? where do you get it?
[02:07] <tgm4883> webmin is available in a .deb from webmin.com
[02:07] <tgm4883> and the alternate cd i speak of is the Ubuntu Alternate cd, and it is available from Ubuntu.com
[02:08] <rhpot1991> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[02:08] <rhpot1991> there is a checkbox saying:
[02:08] <rhpot1991> Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[02:08] <tgm4883> and im not sure, maybe rhpot1991 can help with this
[02:08] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, does the alternate CD install and setup LVM for you?
[02:09] <rhpot1991> it can
[02:09] <rhpot1991> if you tell it to
[02:09] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:09] <tgm4883> so you might not even need webmin
[02:09] <rhpot1991> well you kinda have to guide it, IIRC
[02:09] <rhpot1991> you need to create the LVM, then add drives to it
[02:09] <rhpot1991> fairly straight forward
[02:09] <tgm4883> yep.  Sounds the same as webmin
[02:10] <rhpot1991> there are some words here:
[02:10] <tgm4883> so i think i would just do it from that cd.
[02:10] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID
[02:10] <rhpot1991> if you already have a working system
[02:10] <tgm4883> no need to install software you don't need
[02:10] <rhpot1991> just ignore the raid stuff
[03:24] <chuk1> does mythbackend.log get purged at any point?
[03:27] <tgm4883> chuk1, i belive it only keeps a certain number of days
[03:29] <chuk1> thanks, any idea how/where that is handled?
[03:32] <tgm4883> nope :)
[03:50] <levander> Newbie question.  What's the point of creating a separate distribution for MythTV when the myth packages are already in the Canonical archives?  Why not just jazz up the Myth installation when you install the packages?  Why do you need a separate distribution?
[03:51] <superm1_> levander, you realize that the development for all of this happens directly in the ubuntu archives
[03:51] <superm1_> and by the same folks who maintain mythtv in the archives....
[03:51] <tgm4883> :)
[03:52] <levander> superm1_: So, why have they split it out into a separate distribution?  Why don't they just play with their myth packages?
[03:52] <superm1_> the idea is to make it into an "appliance" setup, that is minimalistic and only installs the required items
[03:52] <superm1_> levander, "they" is me tgm4883 and a few others :)
[03:52] <levander> superm1_: Okay, I guess that part just doesn't apply to my specific situation.  But, that's a valid rationale.
[03:52] <levander> I'm not saying it shouldn't be done this way, I'm just asking why it is.
[03:53] <levander> So, if I'm going to install xubuntu on my Myth box anyway, what's the advantage of installing Mythbuntu over Xubuntu?
[03:53] <tgm4883> levander, why release Ubuntu?  Just install Debian and the packages that you want :)
[03:53] <superm1_> levander, see that's the thing, you can go and add it to xubuntu
[03:54] <superm1_> look at mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[03:54] <tgm4883> better yet, why install Debian.  Install and compile every piece of software you will ever need :)
[03:54] <tgm4883> make your own distro
[03:54] <tgm4883> and rule the world
[03:54] <tgm4883> muhahahaha
[03:55]  * tgm4883 has been programming stupid programs for too long today
[03:56] <levander> So, the difference between, say, Kubuntu and Mythbuntu is that the kubuntu-desktop package gets installed with Kubuntu, and the mythbuntu-desktop package gets installed with Mythbuntu?
[03:56] <rhpot1991> final vote before I destroy stff, will deleting a striped array with a single hard drive in it destroy data?
[03:56] <levander> tgm4883: chamoille tea or maybe just some Luna bars is what I do when I get in the mode I'm in.
[03:56] <superm1_> levander, yeah exactly
[03:57] <superm1_> levander, and you can "add" mythbuntu to an existing box
[03:57] <tgm4883> levander, pretty much.  Keep in mind those are meta-packages so the installed packages differ
[03:57] <levander> superm1_: exactly Luna bars, or exactly chamoille tea?
[03:57] <tgm4883> ie, mythbuntu doesn't install extra unneeeded items like overoffice
[03:57] <superm1_> the big advantages really do come in the installer though too
[03:57] <superm1_> you'll have to run it to see what we mean
[03:57] <tgm4883> superm1_, +1
[03:57] <tgm4883> although the real pudding is MCC
[03:58] <tgm4883> mmmm pudding :)
[03:58] <levander> Okay, I think I'm gonna go with Mythbuntu, there's a chance I'd want to get involved in development, and from what I've read, Mythbuntu is looking for more people...
[03:58] <levander> What's MCC? Control Center?
[03:58] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:58] <rhpot1991> speaking of MCC, the optimize database checkbox, does that add the command to crontab or what?
[03:58] <levander> mcc gets installed when you install mythbuntu-desktop, right?
[03:59] <rhpot1991> I already had it in my user's crontab, and I'm not sure if I should comment it out or if they are pointing at the same thing
[03:59] <tgm4883> yes, although I believe the preferred way to install is to grab MCC, then select the type of system you want in that
[03:59] <superm1_> levander, yes we can use as much help as we can get
[03:59] <superm1_> our list of specs is starting to grow very large
[03:59] <tgm4883> very very large
[03:59] <tgm4883> cause there is just so many great ideas :)
[04:00] <levander> superm1_: Cool, I know python (which I understand a lot of myth is written in) and I'm definitely interested in Myth.  We'll see how much time I have after I've installed it and played with it awhile.
[04:00] <superm1_> tgm4883, i might propose a spec or two for UDS here, would you be able to call into it?
[04:00] <superm1_> levander, okay sounds good
[04:00] <tgm4883> call into what?
[04:00] <superm1_> into the UDS meeting
[04:00] <tgm4883> when?
[04:00] <superm1_> i'm not sure yet
[04:01] <superm1_> Daviey probably would be able to
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: Just while I'm mulling it over while I'm playing with it, what development skills are yall interested in?
[04:01] <superm1_> levander, python is the big one.
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: Any others?
[04:01] <superm1_> levander, but once you see the list of specs, you'll see that they aren't all python
[04:01] <tgm4883> superm1_, let me invite you to my calendar
[04:01] <superm1_> they reach over alot of areas
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: What UI libraries do yall use?  GTK? wxWindows?
[04:02] <superm1_> levander, as of right now its all pyGTK for the custom GUI stuff we do
[04:02] <superm1_> but at least one spec is goign to be leaning towards a more complex libmythui
[04:02] <levander> I imagine I'd just be fixing bugs or rolling packages initally, so maybe worrying about what UI library is jumping ahead anyway.
[04:02] <superm1_> that is in use for general myth stuff
[04:02] <superm1_> levander, yeah get things working for yourself first (which hopefully shouldn't be much of trouble), and then you can join our dev meeting
[04:02] <tgm4883> superm1_, you should be able to see my google calendar now if you search for me
[04:02] <levander> superm1_: Would libmythui be written on top of PyGTK?
[04:02] <superm1_> actually that'd be really ideal
[04:03] <superm1_> our meeting is this upcoming sunday
[04:03] <superm1_> we're assigning specs and reviewing all the proposed specs and such
[04:03] <tgm4883> levander, FYI, next meeting is sunday
[04:03] <levander> superm1_: Maybe, it's something I'm interested in, I may lurk in the meeting..
[04:03] <levander> How often are the meetings?
[04:03] <tgm4883> levander, if you PM me your email, I can add you to the list for invites
[04:03] <superm1_> levander, libmythui is in C++ actually, it will take a very very large effort to do the thing we have planned for it too
[04:03] <superm1_> but we can discuss that later
[04:04] <levander> superm1_: Yall should write a paper or something, no way you're gonna get people interested if they don't have some place to look and see what the hell you're doing.  And yeah, I know C++, although it's been a few years since I've developed in it heavily.
[04:05] <superm1_> levander, yeah that's probably a good idea once we get all the specs sorted out to at least link to them in launchpad from our homepage
[04:05] <superm1_> we'll handle that during our meeting
[04:05] <superm1_> and cleaning up the "getting involved" page
[04:05] <tgm4883> superm1_, what time did we say the meeting was on sunday (in your time)
[04:05] <tgm4883> or my time
[04:06] <superm1_> tgm4883, whatever is on the calendar will be fine with me
[04:06] <tgm4883> ok
[04:06] <superm1_> i should be around all of sunday
[04:06] <tgm4883> it's 12:00pm sunday PST
[04:06] <tgm4883> so i'll shoot it out now
[04:06] <levander> superm1_: Mark Shuttleworth did a brilliant interview a few weeks ago where in one part they talk about what it takes to get people involved in an open source project: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/open_season_four_shuttleworth/
[04:07] <rhpot1991> superm1_: any interest in adding the export to ipod script to the contrib folder?  It works in ubuntu with slight modification
[04:07] <levander> PST? Most of you guys are in California?
[04:07] <tgm4883> no
[04:07] <tgm4883> just me
[04:07] <superm1_> rhpot1991, there are some specs about an ipod setup already out there
[04:07] <superm1_> so yes :)
[04:07] <rhpot1991> got a link?
[04:07] <superm1_> tgm4883, you know its crazy that we got more visitors since release from alaska and hawaii than montana?
[04:08] <superm1_> that and colorado has exactly 404 visitors
[04:08] <tgm4883> well i don't think moose have internet access ;)
[04:08] <levander> tgm4883: I'm thinking I'm gonna go, but my current plans are just to lurk.  Get the drift of what's going on.
[04:08] <superm1_> levander, okay lurk in -dev actually if your gonna look for dev related stuff
[04:08] <superm1_> this is more for a user support channel
[04:09] <superm1_> i'm gonna get to bed though, gotta be up for another day of UDS tomorrow :)
[04:09] <superm1_> rhpot1991, blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[04:09] <superm1_> its in there
[04:09] <superm1_> night all
[04:09] <rhpot1991> night
[04:10] <tgm4883> ok, i just sent the invite
[04:10] <tgm4883> apparently I didn't send any of the invites for that meeting
[04:10] <tgm4883> superm1_, dont' forget to set your clock back this weekend
[04:11] <rhpot1991> can I leave comments on the blueprint if I sign up?
[04:11] <tgm4883> i'm not sure how google calendar works that
[04:11] <tgm4883> yes
[04:11] <rhpot1991> I'll do that and post what I did, I just generate the video the scp it to a sever for a friend who flies a lot
[04:14] <tgm4883> therethinker, ping
[04:16] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, are you interested in development?  I can add you to the invite list to notify you of upcoming meetings and events
[04:16] <rhpot1991> I'd be interested, but I've never worked on any open source project before
[04:17] <pcglue> superm1_, tgm4883: are you guys mythtv developers?  or mythtv for ubuntu devs?
[04:17] <tgm4883> well i can always add you.  It's not like were going to cut off your index fingers if you decide against it
[04:17] <tgm4883> pcglue, mythtv for ubuntu
[04:17] <tgm4883> and mythbuntu
[04:17] <rhpot1991> heh, sure go ahead
[04:17] <tgm4883> pm me your email
[04:18] <rhpot1991> gotta register first it seems
[04:18] <tgm4883> yep
[04:18] <tgm4883> must register to pm
[04:18] <tgm4883> pcglue, are you looking for us or for mythtv devs?
[04:19] <rhpot1991> hmmm do you use bitchx by any chance?
[04:19] <tgm4883> xchat
[04:20] <pcglue> i think mythtv devs
[04:20] <pcglue> well, i'm trying to get ivtv-fb working with gutsy
[04:20] <tgm4883> pcglue, did you have a question?
[04:20] <pcglue> I have a pvr-350 and have X working on its tv-out, but not playback
[04:21] <rhpot1991> get that tgm4883?
[04:21] <tgm4883> yep
[04:21] <tgm4883> sec
[04:22] <rhpot1991> pcglue: did you check the "use pvr350 for output" box?
[04:22] <tgm4883> ok, you should have an invite now
[04:23] <pcglue> rhpot1991, yes i did
[04:23] <pcglue> it says "Unable to initialize video" when I try to playback a recording or watch live TV
[04:24] <superm1_> pcglue, try installing ivtv-utils
[04:24] <rhpot1991> try to 'modprobe ivtv-fb' also
[04:24] <rhpot1991> then try to watch
[04:24] <rhpot1991> gonna have to do that as sudo
[04:25] <superm1_> although http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/36980 comes to mind
[04:25] <superm1_> so that may be the underlying issue
[04:25] <superm1_> if installing ivtv-utils doesn't solve the problem, then please post in the thread about this ongoing issue, and we can see about adding that patch.
[04:25]  * superm1_ really goes to bed
[04:26] <tgm4883> nn
[04:26] <rhpot1991> I had my pvr350 outputting a few weeks back, but dumped it for an nvidia card
[04:27] <pcglue> i think ivtv-fb is already loaded, although i did the modprobe again
[04:27] <pcglue> and when i do lsmod, ivtv_fb shows up
[04:27] <pcglue> does that mean it's good?
[04:29] <rhpot1991> should be loaded then
[04:29] <pcglue> what does ivtv-utils do?  do I just install it or do I need to run something after?
[04:31] <rhpot1991> honestly not sure, I haven't played with it since feisty
[04:31] <MythbuntuGuest63> Hey.
[04:31] <superm1_> pcglue, just install it.  if it works great, if not i'm pushing that patch to my PPA right now.  please post in the bug with your results, and i'll give you the URL to the ppa tomorrow after its built if its necessary okay?
[04:32]  * superm1_ really goes back to bug
[04:32] <superm1_> *bed
[04:32] <pcglue> superm1_: OK, thanks
[04:37] <MythbuntuGuest63> Hey
[04:37] <rhpot1991> whats up?
[04:37] <Duco> I'm wodering
[04:37] <Duco> I have two hard drives- Could I add the second one, 60GB, and have recordings on BOTH?
[04:38] <Duco> I'd like to be able to extend it so I have more space.
[04:38] <rhpot1991> ya, LVM will allow the 2 to act as one
[04:38] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[04:38] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:39] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID might help too
[04:39] <Duco> Alright
[04:39] <Duco> Second question
[04:39] <Duco> well
[04:39] <Duco> this is much more
[04:39] <Duco> involved
[04:39] <Duco> my hap, 350 remote wont work.
[04:41] <rhpot1991> how did you configure it?
[04:41] <Duco> well
[04:41] <Duco> i dunno
[04:42] <Duco> just used the myth config
[04:42] <Duco> tried all 3 hap
[04:42] <Duco> didnt work
[04:42] <Duco> my friend had me make sure the remote and reciver were working
[04:42] <Duco> it picked up signals
[04:42] <rhpot1991> if you irw it gets button presses?
[04:42] <Duco> yep
[04:43] <rhpot1991> are you running mythbuntu or ubuntu with mythtv installed?
[04:43] <Duco> mythbuntu
[04:44] <tgm4883> sounds like a .lircrc problem
[04:44] <rhpot1991> see if you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:44] <rhpot1991> ya it does
[04:44] <Duco> how do I see that?
[04:44] <rhpot1991> I haven't used MCC to setup my remote though...
[04:44]  * Duco is a linux n00b
[04:44] <rhpot1991> in termal go 'vi ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:44] <rhpot1991> '
[04:44] <tgm4883> Duco, can you get to terminal
[04:44] <Duco> yep
[04:45] <tgm4883> do the above
[04:45] <rhpot1991> actually do nano, not vi
[04:45]  * tgm4883 prefers nano
[04:45] <Duco> alright
[04:45] <Duco> totally balnk
[04:45] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 is nano installed there?
[04:45] <Duco> blank*
[04:45] <tgm4883> should be
[04:45] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:45] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 can you coach him through getting one, or should I pastebin mine?
[04:46] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, do you have that remote?
[04:46] <rhpot1991> ya
[04:46] <Duco> if i do nano
[04:46] <Duco> it works
[04:46] <tgm4883> lets try pastebin first
[04:46] <Duco> I see all the stuff
[04:46] <rhpot1991> pvr350 happauge grey right?
[04:46] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:46] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, sec
[04:46] <tgm4883> Duco, there is stuff in the file?
[04:47] <tgm4883> can you pastebin it?
[04:47] <rhpot1991> yep one second
[04:47] <Duco> yes, the gray
[04:47] <rhpot1991> !pastebin
[04:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:47] <Duco> there is stuff in it
[04:47] <tgm4883> also, can you pastebin the output of ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:47] <Duco> hold on a minute
[04:48] <Duco> im not on that machine, need to open firefox.
[04:48] <rhpot1991> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42655/
[04:48] <tgm4883> Duco, can you ssh into that machine?
[04:48] <rhpot1991> I'll put it somewhere he can wget it
[04:49] <Duco> How would I SSH into it? Its on my network. Running vista on this machine.
[04:49] <rhpot1991> http://www.baablogic.net/lircrc
[04:49] <tgm4883> !putty
[04:49] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[04:50] <rhpot1991> !winscp
[04:50] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[04:50] <rhpot1991> is also useful
[04:50] <Duco> I have putty
[04:50] <Duco> now what?
[04:51] <rhpot1991> type the ip of your mythbox in there
[04:51] <Duco> Not entirely sure what that is off the top of my head.
[04:51] <rhpot1991> do you know it?
[04:51] <rhpot1991> go to the mythbox, in a terminal type "sudo ifconfig"
[04:52] <rhpot1991> gonna be under eth0 if its wired
[04:52] <rhpot1991> or wlan0 (maybe) if its wireless
[04:52] <Duco> says not found
[04:52] <Duco> ernvm
[04:52] <Duco> keyed it wrong
[04:52] <Duco> alright
[04:53] <Duco> alright
[04:53] <Duco> im in
[04:53] <Duco> what do I do now?
[04:54] <rhpot1991> run: ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:54] <rhpot1991> and paste the output into pastebin
[04:54] <tgm4883> well you can post that here
[04:55] <tgm4883> cause it should only be one line
[04:55] <tgm4883> but post the .lircrc file in pastebin
[04:56] <Duco> duconihilum@ducodihilum-desktop:/$ ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:56] <tgm4883> heh
[04:56] <Duco> ls: /home/duconihilum/.mythtv/lircrc: No such file or directory
[04:56] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 does mythbuntu create a mythtv user, or do they specify their username?
[04:56] <tgm4883> is ducodihilum-desktop your mythbuntu box?
[04:57] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no mythtv user, the user is specified during install
[04:57] <Duco> yes it is
[04:57] <tgm4883> Duco, do you have multiple users on that box?
[04:58] <Duco> ah you know what
[04:58] <Duco> i just forgot,
[04:58] <Duco> i tried to change it, spelled the name wrong....
[04:58] <Duco> it is installed on dihilum
[04:58] <Duco> i changed it to nihilum
[04:59]  * rhpot1991 is confused
[04:59] <Duco> The username I put in when I installed it was wrong.
[05:00] <Duco> I went into users and changed the username and home directory to the correct name.
[05:00] <Duco> I mispelled my name.
[05:00] <Duco> Should I change it back?
[05:00] <rhpot1991> type 'cd /home/'
[05:00] <Duco> k
[05:00] <rhpot1991> ls, and what is listed there?
[05:01] <Duco> ducodihilum  mythtv  ubuntu
[05:02] <rhpot1991> type 'locate lircrc'
[05:02] <Duco> lots of text
[05:03] <rhpot1991> locate lircrc |grep /home
[05:03] <Duco> lots of text again
[05:04] <rhpot1991> put it in pastebin
[05:04] <rhpot1991> then link in here, brb
[05:06] <Duco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42656/
[05:11] <DucoNihilum_> rhpot1991 are you there?
[05:19] <DucoNihilum> Hello, anyone in here?
[05:20] <tgm4883> DucoNihilum, where did you get lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt from
[05:20] <DucoNihilum> I have no idea.
[05:21] <DucoNihilum> Just picked the option on mythtv...
[05:23] <DucoNihilum> Any idea?
[05:23] <rhpot1991> sorry, made a mess and decided running roomba at 1:30 in the morning was a good idea
[05:23] <rhpot1991> he has lircrc's
[05:24] <DucoNihilum> Still here
[05:24] <DucoNihilum> New SN
[05:24] <rhpot1991> ls -la ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:24] <rhpot1991> says not found?
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> yeah
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> but that might be because of the whole username problem.
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> I changed my username and 'home' directory, might have messed something up, should I fix that?
[05:25] <rhpot1991> ya, you are signed on as a different name than that home dir
[05:25] <rhpot1991> make them match
[05:25] <pcglue> on my install, mythtv uses /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> how?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> mine too, but I have symlinks to /home/john just incase
[05:26] <tgm4883> pcglue, when did you install?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 duco has a mythtv user too apparently
[05:27] <pcglue> a few months ago, on feisty
[05:27] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, as he should
[05:27] <pcglue> i upgraded yesterday to gutsy and playback stopped working on pvr-350's tv out
[05:27] <tgm4883> but AFAIK, you can't do anything with that user
[05:27] <rhpot1991> in my box its just for the auto login
[05:28] <rhpot1991> but that user needs lirc files and all, which his has
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> ok
[05:28] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum are you running the frontend yourself, or is it automagically running?
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> i tried signing on root
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> ls: /root/.mythtv/lircrc: No such file or directory
[05:28] <rhpot1991> why /root?
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> root@ducodihilum-desktop:/home# ls -la ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> I just changed the username back to what it was before
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> when i installed it
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> how do i get onto that username?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> do you have gnome or something else?
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> got it
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 11918 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> thats what happens when I put that in
[05:31] <DucoNihilum> what you asked me to
[05:32] <rhpot1991> hmmm that looks good
[05:32] <rhpot1991> are you sitting at that box now?
[05:32] <tgm4883> just a quick question
[05:32] <DucoNihilum> yes
[05:32] <tgm4883> does it happen to work now that you have renamed your user
[05:32] <DucoNihilum> no, it didnt work before i renamed it
[05:32] <tgm4883> k
[05:32] <tgm4883> just thought i'd check
[05:33] <rhpot1991> type mythfrontend in a terminal
[05:33] <rhpot1991> and try it
[05:35] <DucoNihilum> one sec
[05:36] <DucoNihilum> alright
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> its half working again
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> some buttons dont work
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> though
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> channel up
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> channel down
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> etc
[05:37] <rhpot1991> do or don't?
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> do not
[05:38] <alpaca> heyo
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> most buttons aren't working
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> in fact
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> channel buttons work, like 1 2 3
[05:40] <DucoNihilum> Any way to get the other buttons working
[05:40] <DucoNihilum> though?
[05:40] <rhpot1991> start hacking your lircrc file
[05:40] <tgm4883> yep
[05:40] <rhpot1991> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42655/
[05:40] <rhpot1991> is mine
[05:40] <alpaca> honestly I forget these commands every damn time - could someone tell me the commands i need to run from terminal to upgrade my system from the alpha builds?
[05:40] <rhpot1991> most of the buttons work, though I'm not sure the top row of buttons does anything
[05:40] <tgm4883> $upgrade
[05:40] <mythbot> Upgrade instructions are here   http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[05:41] <tgm4883> alpaca, ^^^
[05:41] <DucoNihilum> how do i hack those commands?
[05:41] <alpaca> thanks tgm4883 ;)
[05:41] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 any bright ideas for how I can figure out which hard drive files are on in my LVM?
[05:41] <DucoNihilum> How would I do that?
[05:42] <rhpot1991> vi ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:42] <rhpot1991> or nano instead, easier to use
[05:44] <alpaca> ok so I read the upgrade instructions, however they said nothing of the terminal commands to upgrade
[05:44] <rhpot1991> are you looking for sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade?
[05:44] <alpaca> last time i upgraded was when schedules direct became the new tv listing source
[05:45] <alpaca> yes
[05:45] <tgm4883> alpaca, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:45] <alpaca> thanks
[05:45] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, alpaca is upgrading from an alpha build, needs dist-upgrade to get new packages
[05:45] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[05:46] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum does your lircrc match up with mine?
[05:46]  * tgm4883 disappears
[05:46] <DucoNihilum> I'm not sure.
[05:47] <DucoNihilum> Can you just walk me though with replacing it entirely?
[05:47] <rhpot1991> sure one second
[05:47] <rhpot1991> ls -l ~/.lircrc
[05:47] <rhpot1991> do that
[05:48] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 29444 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.lircrc
[05:49] <alpaca> good god there are so many updates haha
[05:49] <rhpot1991> ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:49] <rhpot1991> do that
[05:50] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 11918 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:50]  * rhpot1991 is slighly confused
[05:50] <rhpot1991> lets do this
[05:51] <rhpot1991> mv ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc_bak
[05:51] <rhpot1991> mv ~/.lircrc ~/.lircrc_bak
[05:51] <DucoNihilum> k
[05:52] <DucoNihilum> done
[05:52] <rhpot1991> ok
[05:54] <DucoNihilum> now what
[05:55] <rhpot1991> cd ~
[05:55] <DucoNihilum> alright...
[05:55] <rhpot1991> wget www.baablogic.net/lircrc && mv lircrc .lircrc
[05:56] <DucoNihilum> Resolving www.baablogic.net... failed: Name or service not known.
[05:56] <rhpot1991> do you have internet?
[05:56] <rhpot1991> try tossing an http:// in front of that
[05:57] <DucoNihilum> yes, i have internet
[05:57] <rhpot1991> did http fix it?
[05:57] <DucoNihilum> yep
[05:57] <alpaca> hey whats the command to restart mythbuntu
[05:58] <rhpot1991> ln .lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:58] <rhpot1991> alpaca the whole computer?
[05:58] <alpaca> righto
[05:58] <rhpot1991> or just the backend?
[05:58] <rhpot1991> sudo reboot
[05:58] <alpaca> thank yo
[05:58] <rhpot1991> sure
[05:58] <alpaca> you*
[05:58] <DucoNihilum> done
[05:58] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum should be good there, go ahead and fire up your frontend and see if it works
[05:59] <DucoNihilum> should I restart?
[05:59] <rhpot1991> shouldn' need it
[05:59] <rhpot1991> shouldn't
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> ok
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> now i just want to change a few keys, can you walk me though that?
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> My "Play" button doesn't allow it to play, it saves the position.
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> I'd also like to get TV and guide on the top if possible
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> to work
[06:02] <rhpot1991> well I don't have them working like that, so I'm not actually sure what you need to put in
[06:02] <rhpot1991> I'll push you in the right direction though
[06:02] <rhpot1991> go nano ~/.lircrc
[06:03] <rhpot1991> then find the button you want to change
[06:03] <rhpot1991> and under config, you need to put the keystroke in that you want it to do
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I found the button.
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> TV
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> How do I figure out what I put in, though.
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> It is at F5 right now.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I want it to be a button on the remote.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> are all your keyboard commands
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I'd like it to be a button on the remote, not the keyboard.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> find what you want, and plug it in there
[06:05] <rhpot1991> looks like P for play
[06:05] <DucoNihilum> huh?
[06:05] <rhpot1991> to get play to play, instead of mark position
[06:05] <DucoNihilum> Right now Im trying to get TV to go to live TV.
[06:06] <DucoNihilum> So when I press TV on the remote, it goes to live TV
[06:06] <rhpot1991> that might be tricky
[06:06] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure there is a button that says go to live tv
[06:07] <DucoNihilum> I know there is in the keyboard controlls.
[06:07] <rhpot1991> figure out what it is, and plug it in there
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> It allows you to imput it.
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> In the edit keys
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> should I put something in there?
[06:09] <rhpot1991> you can make any key do whatever you want
[06:09] <rhpot1991> just be careful you don't remove things you might need
[06:09] <rhpot1991> not gonna work well when you can't navigate the menus or anything
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> alright....
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> ill hold off on this
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> unfortunately
[06:10] <DucoNihilum>  ihave other issues...
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> lol
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> any way you could walk me though the process of adding that hard drive?
[06:11] <rhpot1991> its a bit late, and actually I just run ubuntu not mythbuntu, so I'd be walking you through the hardway of doing it and there might be some easier way
[06:11]  * rhpot1991 has to get up for work in the morning
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> Howe about something possibliy easier then....
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> External hard drive wont work.
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> It wont mount.
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> It's USB
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> Could you link me to the page giving me the walkthough again, BTW?
[06:13] <rhpot1991> which walkthrough?
[06:16] <DucoNihilum> To add my drive.
[06:16] <rhpot1991> ah, the LVM one?
[06:16] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[06:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:16] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID
[06:16] <rhpot1991> ignore the raid stuff in that one
[06:17] <rhpot1991> as far as your usb you should check with one of the mythbuntu guys and see if there is anything in place that should be auto mounting
[06:18] <rhpot1991> you can do it yourself, but you need to figure out what partition is on the drive and what device it will be, kinda a lot of work if you don't know what your doing
[06:18] <DucoNihilum> ill come back tomorrow and see if anyone can help me set it up
[06:19] <rhpot1991> alright I'm off to bed
[06:19] <DucoNihilum> night
[10:43] <therethinker> $whack testing
[10:43] <mythbot> /action whacks testing
[14:13] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[14:13] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[14:23] <DaveMorris> I'm using the EPG thats transmitted for free in the UK, and the shows all appear when I search for them via name, and my stuff records.  However the tv guide only shows programs which are today, and has unknown for other days
[14:23] <DaveMorris> any ideas?
[14:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: use radiotimes :)
[14:31] <DaveMorris> but the data is there for my recordings etc
[14:32] <Daviey> no idea..  i haven't used EPG for yonks.. RT is better :)
[14:32] <DaveMorris> I'll give RT a go then
[14:32] <DaveMorris> see if it fixes the issue
[14:33] <samson--> i believe i'm missing a gpg key for the mythbuntu apt repo, is there a place I can get it?  "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
[14:37] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[14:37] <mythbot> MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[14:41] <Daviey> samson--: sorted?
[14:41] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[14:41] <Daviey> ^ samson--
[15:23] <samson--> whoops, sorry, was afk
[15:24] <samson--> hmm, that key idnt work
[15:25] <samson--> sources is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1508/
[15:26] <samson--> this is from an alpha 7.10 install
[15:26] <samson--> change out the ppa source with the new one?
[15:31] <Daviey> yes!
[15:31] <samson--> heh
[15:31] <Daviey> ppa is not signed
[15:31] <Daviey> recommended to use our weeklybuilds servers
[15:32] <samson--> looks good
[15:35] <samson--> thx Daviey
[15:35] <Daviey> working now?
[15:36] <samson--> it is indeed
[15:37] <Daviey> samson--: groovy
[15:38] <samson--> i remember a time when the ppa worked without issue, did things change with the move over to weeklybuilds
[15:39] <samson--> or maybe i'm losing it
[15:49] <chuk1> semi-ot, anyone know how to make a USB drive automount under mythbuntu?
[15:53] <tgm4883> samson--, the ppa has never had signed packages
[16:19] <kolby> hey guys.
[16:20] <samson--> hai
[16:20] <kolby> in mythTV, i have to change the aspect ratio to 4:3 everytime I watch TV,.  How do I make it the default?
[16:21] <samson--> chuk1: should be handled by HAL, check /etc/hal/fdi/policy (i thinks)
[16:22] <kolby> it appears to be an XML file
[16:23] <kolby> im going to try my browser on it
[16:24] <kolby> well, I don't think it have anything on the aspect ratio.
[16:25] <kolby> *had
[16:25] <samson--> kolby: what file
[16:25] <kolby> /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[16:25] <samson--> that was a reply to chuk1
[16:25] <kolby> ohhhhh
[16:26] <kolby> could I dpkg-reconfigure it?
[16:27] <samson--> uncertain, one moment
[16:27] <samson--> are you trying to change the ratio only for TV?
[16:27] <kolby> yeah
[16:28] <samson--> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Aspect_ratio
[16:28] <samson--> Setup -> TV -> Playback -> General
[16:29] <kolby> right on
[16:29] <kolby> brb
[16:31] <kolby> awesome.  :)
[16:31] <samson--> np2thee
[16:32] <kolby> I think the doc was a bit outdated though.
[16:33] <kolby> The exact route I took was:  Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback
[16:35] <DaveMorris> I think it can change depending on the menu styles you use
[16:36] <kolby> huh...  I used GNAT
[16:36] <kolby> oh.  GANT
[16:36] <DaveMorris> not the theme, but the menu styles
[16:37] <Daviey> GANT is so fugly
[16:37] <directhex|work> Daviey, you think? at least the icon style has some personality
[16:38] <Daviey> yeah, personality a boring person
[16:38] <directhex|work> it's one of the better themes in myth though
[16:38] <DaveMorris> I think my listings data is screwed.  It says I have listings until 1'st July 2037
[16:38] <Daviey> DaveMorris: there's an sql snippet buzzing around to fix that
[16:39] <DaveMorris> why aren't we shipping it then?
[16:39] <Daviey> huh?
[16:39] <DaveMorris> if it's a known bug why haven't we fixed it?
[16:39] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, duff EIT data can cause that to happen
[16:40] <Daviey> It's known to us.. but i have experienced it before
[16:40] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, bad EIT data says it's got a recording in 2038, so that gets added to the schedule data
[16:40] <Daviey> as directhex|work it's poor EIT
[16:40] <DaveMorris> ok
[16:40] <kolby> I like GANT because it's fast.  The icons have "character"
[16:40] <directhex|work> hence myth thinks it has 30 years of recordings
[16:40] <directhex|work> kolby, no, mepo-wide has a character!
[16:40] <Daviey> DaveMorris: this comes up about once every other month in #mythtv-users
[16:40] <DaveMorris> mythfill should sanatise the data
[16:41] <kolby> never used mepo-wide
[16:41] <DaveMorris> and not accept stupid things like that
[16:41] <Daviey> directhex|work: mepo wide is nasty and non free
[16:41] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, yes, probably
[16:42] <kolby> minimalist-wide is faster.  I'm using it now
[16:42] <Daviey> directhex|work: the original artwork author ignored my emails to get him to release it under a free licence :(  -- hence we aren't packaging it
[16:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: drop EIT use RT :)
[16:43] <directhex|work> Daviey, opens up its own problems
[16:44] <Daviey> directhex|work: pretty much rock solid here
[16:44] <directhex|work> Daviey, such as, but not limited to: problems when multiple tuners have non-matching lineups; channels on freeview not being the same as the versions of those channels reported by RT (e.g. virgin1); the LARGE number of channels with no data e.g. radio
[16:45] <samson-->  < DaveMorris> I think my listings data is screwed.  It says I have listings until 1'st July 2037
[16:45] <samson--> DaveMorris: cancel schedulesdirect subscription quick before they find out! ;)
[16:46] <Daviey> directhex|work: yeah.. this is true - juski did start trying to look into a way of making it better
[16:46] <Daviey> samson--: we don't all live in the US :)
[16:46] <directhex|work> some of us are too thin for that!
[16:46] <samson--> Daviey: curses
[16:49] <kolby> my EIT doesn't work either :(
[16:49] <kolby> the Satellite company said everything should work fine.  ...but I don't think they've used mythbuntu
[16:50] <kolby> can I get EIT even though I'm using satellite connection?
[17:05] <kolby> what do you guys have?  Digital Cable or Satellite?
[17:09] <rhpot1991> good old analog for me
[17:16] <kolby> rhpot1991:  you mean through the airwaves?
[17:22] <rhpot1991> kolby nah, just regular old cable
[17:22] <rhpot1991> comcast charges you for boxes here, and they are old and have terrible quality
[17:23] <rhpot1991> I had them replace the one in my office 3 times, would overheat at least once a week and then refuse to turn on for a day or so
[17:23] <kolby> wow.  That's gotta suck.  I need to figure out how to get cable working with my Satellite connection
[17:26] <kolby> ....I meant EIT working with Satellite
[17:28] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT
[17:29] <rhpot1991> seems like it either works or it doesn't
[18:14] <kolby> rhpot1991, ALRIGHT, i'LL GIVE IT A GO
[18:14] <kolby> damn caps lock
[18:26] <solarbaby> Cable TV through Satalite? Never heard of that
[18:26] <kolby> I mistyped
[18:26] <kolby> I meant EIT but I was reading rhpot1991's comment
[18:26] <solarbaby> oH..
[18:27] <kolby> yups
[18:27] <solarbaby> Franky I never heard of EIT either, other then it being in the settings page
[18:28] <MythbuntuGuest86> hi all
[18:28] <solarbaby> Hello
[18:28] <MythbuntuGuest86> i need some help, just install mythbuntu, but it wont work with my Geforce 6200 :-(
[18:29] <solarbaby> Have you checked through the Ubuntu forums?
[18:29] <MythbuntuGuest86> yes, so i should post a new thread instead of getting help here?
[18:30] <solarbaby> I didn't say that.. although specific hardware is always a Iffy thing on irc..  your lucky to find someone who has your hardware
[18:30] <kolby> huh...
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> i see, the problem is the nvidia drivers
[18:31] <kolby> you're using Gutsy, right?
[18:31] <solarbaby> did you install with the generic drivers or did you try one of the others?
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> with generic drivers its working, i can setup everything
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> but tv is a slideshow...
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest86> so everytime i install any nvidia driver (glx-new, glx-old) and restart, it will be black screen
[18:32] <solarbaby> Oh..  maybe playing with recording settings..  if you record with lower quality that might help
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest86> even tried envy
[18:33] <solarbaby> btw im just a average new user so Im guessing.
[18:33] <solarbaby> I do know spending lots of time in the forums have helped me greatly..
[18:33] <kolby> yeah...  I know of a few things you could check if you haven't already
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest86> really? what is it?
[18:36] <kolby> in Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback
[18:37] <kolby> there should be a little checkbox that says: "Enable OpenGL Vertical sync for timing"
[18:38] <MythbuntuGuest86> yes i know that option, even if i cant try it out now
[18:38] <kolby> I have _no idea_ if that will help, but it's worth a shot.  I turned it on for my  Geforce 5600, and it didn't hurt.
[18:38] <kolby> okay
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest86> i will try to deinstall the driver now, again
[18:40] <MythbuntuGuest86> i think its xorg related, cause i had the same problem with knoppmyth
[18:41] <solarbaby> I couldn't get passed partitioning my hard drive with Knoppmyth before it'd crash
[18:41] <solarbaby> then I used Mythbuntu and everything worked mostly pretty well
[18:41] <solarbaby> Howdy superm1
[18:42] <superm1> hi
[18:55] <Daviey> solarbaby: hw is it going
[18:58] <solarbaby> Daviey: Thanks for asking..  Its going quite well with the Master backend, can't say its been easy getting the laptop going though ;)
[18:59] <solarbaby> Daviey: first I have to figure out why my wireless laptop is crashing when I try to play recordings.. Im thinking maybe im recording in such a huge file size its just crashing so im going to attack that route first..
[19:01] <Daviey> :)
[19:04] <solarbaby> Confirmed..  File size doesn't seem to have anything to do with it :(
[19:05] <solarbaby> Maybe its Samba
[19:06] <solarbaby> the strange thing is that it plays in a thumbnail just fine..
[19:17] <solarbaby> maybe the laptop doesn't like ffmpeg
[19:17] <solarbaby> this is very strange I remember it worked ok off the live cd..
[19:55] <therethinker> $test
[19:55] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is dead!
[20:14] <MitoTranin> the dead is talking?
[20:20] <therethinker> It always says that -- as a sort of joke :p
[20:25] <therethinker> The angel saved it!
[20:35] <therethinker> Daviey -- does tgm4883 not know about the digg story?
[20:39] <Daviey> tgm4883: he was the first person to digg it
[20:39] <Daviey> :)
[20:39] <Daviey> (other than me)
[20:39] <therethinker> Heh... why isn't he parading about
[20:39] <therethinker> $diggit
[20:39] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Final  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[20:40] <Daviey> heh
[20:40] <Daviey> therethinker: type /topic :)
[20:40] <therethinker> $changeitem:diggit:Why haven't you dugg it? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_hits_20_000_downloads_in_one_week Once you digg it, then comment it :-) (please!)
[20:40] <mythbot> Changed help file for diggit
[20:41] <therethinker> Heh... didn't see it...
[20:57] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[20:57] <mythbot> MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[21:39] <therethinker> mythbot outlived superm1
[21:39] <tgm4883> $diggit
[21:39] <superm1> no he didn't
[21:39] <superm1> i'm right here
[21:40] <tgm4883> stupid mythbot
[21:40] <therethinker> $diggit
[21:40]  * tgm4883 contemplates kicking mythbot
[21:40] <therethinker> hmm
[21:40] <Daviey> superm1 was hiding the whole time
[21:40] <therethinker> I think I should go back to allowing the manual rebooting...
[21:40] <Daviey> therethinker: is it mythbot, or your connection?
[21:41] <therethinker> Mythbot -- the other bot dies at different times
[21:43] <therethinker> Aww D:
[21:43] <superm1> of course i kick him right *AFTER* he leaves...
[21:43] <superm1> haha
[21:43] <superm1> whoops
[21:43] <superm1> go ahead and let him back in
[21:44] <therethinker> By the way: I don't know if you saw, he has an angel in #mythbot -- I'll explain in there if you want
[21:44] <therethinker> its possible to manually reboot mythbot, so that should help
[21:44] <superm1> its invite only?
[21:44] <therethinker> oh
[21:44] <therethinker> right...
[21:44] <tgm4883> bleh, there right
[21:44] <Daviey> therethinker: care to invite us?
[21:45] <therethinker> And we pretty much locked ourselves out -- right? :P
[21:45] <tgm4883> yep
[21:45] <therethinker> I don't have ops permissions :p
[21:45] <tgm4883> sec
[21:48] <therethinker> okay -- you guys can come
[21:48] <therethinker> anyone who needs to know how to use it, please come :P
[22:00] <keescook> superm1: lirc> lots of changes to the whitespace in some of the patches.  I don't mind, but I'm just curious why.
[22:01] <superm1> keescook, because i opened up the patch to double check if there was anything to change in it mostly
[22:02] <keescook> superm1: but like, tabs vs spaces, { usage.  just odd
[22:03] <superm1> oh keescook that's my editor
[22:03] <superm1> geany has a setting that cleans that stuff up
[22:03] <keescook> +-
[22:03] <keescook> ++
[22:03] <superm1> and changes tabs into spaces
[22:03] <keescook> heh
[22:03] <superm1> it is great for python stuff
[22:03]  * keescook nods
[22:03] <superm1> but weird on other things i guess
[22:04] <keescook> -+static int sense = -1;   /* -1 = auto, 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> -+static int txsense = 0;   /* 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> and stuff like that...
[22:04] <keescook> ++static int sense = -1;    /* -1 = auto, 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> ++static int txsense;     /* 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> it's functionally identical, but I'm not clear on where the changes are coming from.
[22:05] <keescook> is it just general cleanups you're doing?
[22:05] <superm1> oh that stuff, that's how upstream changed it
[22:05] <superm1> that wasn't me directly
[22:06] <superm1> i had to meld that stuff into the lirc_serial_igor stuff
[22:07] <keescook> so it was an "upstream patch" change?
[22:07] <superm1> well yes and no.
[22:07] <superm1> let me try to describe
[22:07] <superm1> lirc_serial_igor is basically lirc_serial copied over
[22:07] <superm1> with some static changes
[22:07] <superm1> so that when its merged into linux-ubuntu-modules
[22:07] <keescook> aaah, so effectively your rebased it.  I get it.
[22:07] <keescook> s/your/you
[22:07] <keescook> nice.  I like all the "taken upstream" notes.  :)
[22:07] <superm1> it builds one with the serial and then the one with serial_igor
[22:08] <superm1> keescook, yeah they're pretty receptive to things
[22:08] <superm1> i submitted another 5 or 6 patches up today
[22:08] <keescook> :)
[22:08] <superm1> so hopefully most of the stuff in debian/patches will eventually not be necessary
[22:14] <keescook> superm1: cool.  Can you run your source.changes through "lintian -iI" and fix the non-Ubuntu-isms?  (debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error, substvar-source-version-is-deprecated)  Beyond those, it looks great to me.
[22:14] <superm1> keescook, i've been reluctant to go through and fix some of those lintian things since there is that ever so impending big change from debian to grab on the packaging
[22:14] <superm1> keescook, to switch over to their's if they ever get it done
[22:15] <superm1> so do you think we should be permanently forked and i'll just go through all that?
[22:15] <keescook> well, I think just those two errors should be easy to fix.
[22:15] <superm1> yeah
[22:15] <keescook> if they're not for some reason, I'm happy to skip it.
[22:15]  * keescook goes afk again
[22:16] <superm1> okay thanks again kees
[22:24] <superm1> keescook, okay i uploaded it back to the same area on http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/lirc/lirc again with those changes.
[23:06] <solarbaby> Alright..  so by following some directions I got my Dell Latitude 610 to Play recordings with out crashing by editing the xorg.conf However, Even though I hear the sound the video is just a blue screen..  still haven't found mention of this in the forums yet
[23:43] <directhex> solarbaby, a flat colored screen usually means an app is using Xv (overlay) mode to display the pictures, but your graphics driver isn't drawing the overlay layer properly
[23:51] <solarbaby> Thats a good push in the right direction