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evil_techfluxbuntu is a full desktop environment. it has a browser, chat, email and text editor out the box00:00
PowerGoThat would probably run better than Xubuntu for my machine ?00:01
AviatrixieAntiX ( mepis derivative) is a nice lightweight fluxbox distro00:01
Mark76Do you have  a CD burner, Power?00:01
PowerGoYes00:01
Mark76Cool00:02
Mark76I don't :(00:02
PowerGowhen I go to install mpg123, it can't find it.  And it also tells me I need to "You will have to enable component called 'universe'"00:03
evil_techMark76: its in mine and all repos are active and none look out of the ordinary from a xubuntu sources.list00:03
PowerGoHow do I enable the component called "universe"00:03
Mark76So, how can I install it Evil?00:03
evil_techopen up a terminal and type sudo nano etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment out the lines00:03
Mark76If I can't tell it apart from Xubuntu00:04
evil_techhmm00:04
evil_tech!pastebin00:04
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)00:04
Mark76Oh come on it wasn't that big00:04
Mark76:p00:04
evil_techi got to go to school so i will give you my sources.list. maybe you can see something im not00:05
PowerGoI see.00:05
PowerGoeven then I get Package mpg123 is not available, but is referred to by another package.00:06
evil_techgrr how do you copy stuff in the terminal00:10
PowerGoselect, right click, copy ?00:10
evil_techhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42630/00:11
evil_techthere is my sources.list on my fluxbuntu machine00:11
evil_techi got to go to class take it easy all of you00:11
PowerGolater homes00:12
Mark76Linux: It's the environmentally responsible choice!00:13
PowerGowhere is the HOST file located?00:14
Mark76What host file?00:14
Mark76Welcome back Casey00:16
Casey;o00:16
dgimseis there a way to bypass the root password to change a document?00:18
Mark76Nope00:18
dgimseo00:18
Mark76Why would you want to do that?00:18
dgimsei'm trying to change my menu.lst00:19
Mark76Ah00:19
Mark76God, that's a apin00:20
Mark76pain00:20
dgimsebuecase i get this error when i try to boot xubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=576087&highlight=kernel+panic+-not+syncing+VFS%3AUnable+to+mount+root+fs+on+unknown+block%280%2C0%2900:20
Mark76Do you have a settings menu?00:20
dgimseon the live cd yes00:20
Mark76Ah00:20
Mark76You want to change it on the live CD? :/00:21
Mark76:-/00:21
dgimseno on the hard drive00:21
dgimsei'm trying to get my install to work on a daul boot (with xp)00:21
TheSheep!sudo00:22
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.00:22
Mark76Then you should have a settings menu00:22
dgimseis that accessed through the terminal?00:22
Mark76I'm able to edit the main menu from mine00:22
TheSheepdgimse: yes00:22
dgimsethanx sheep00:22
TheSheepdgimse: you can also run 'gksu thunar' to get thunar window running as root00:22
TheSheepgksu is a graphical version of sudo00:23
dgimseisn't thunar the file manager though00:23
dgimseo00:23
dgimsei open the graphical equivalent of the menu.lst but it won't save the changes00:24
Mark76Hmm00:26
TheSheepdgimse: 'graphical equivalent'?00:27
dgimseyes i think the instructions they speak about on the thread are for the terminal window00:27
TheSheep!boot00:28
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto00:28
TheSheepbah, wrong links00:28
TheSheep.sng ubotu dualboot00:29
TheSheep!dualboot00:29
ubotuDual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty00:29
dgimsethe graphical equivalent is what i mean by double clicking throgh folders and using the mouse program00:29
TheSheephere :)00:29
TheSheepdgimse: you need to be root00:29
TheSheepdgimse: so you have to start the file manager as root, for example00:30
TheSheepdgimse: so that it has permissions for saving00:30
Mark76Bed time00:32
Mark76Night Sheep et al00:33
dgimsegood night00:33
dgimsehow do you remove file extensions in the boot folder?01:18
dgimsecan i use the nano editor to do that too?01:19
dgimsewell here goes wish me luck see yas01:24
rainrunner87Hey all.  Anyone have any recommendations for a program to manage file and/or bookmark tagging?05:34
kirikai was wondering if anyone could answer a question i have about performance06:39
rainrunner87kirika: There's one good way to find out: ask it.06:41
rainrunner87So, does anyone here have any recommendations they'd like to share for a program to manage file and/or bookmark tagging?06:44
kirikasorry, my question is that i previously had ubuntu and i was testing a lot of applications and my computer started to run real slow so i decided to switch to xubuntu because i read that it will run a lot faster on slower machines, i really like hat way it looks and my browser is faster but when i stream videos it is not06:45
Name141where is the HOST file located?06:46
kirika/etc/hosts06:48
Name141OK06:49
kirikaoh sorry was that a question for me06:50
rainrunner87kirika: what specifically are you looking for?  Are you trying to get faster streaming videos?  Are you trying to get the performance you had before you started testing applications?06:50
kirikayes im trying to get the performance before i started testing06:51
rainrunner87kirika: Anyone can answer any question, provided they do their homework and have the right answers.06:51
kirikait actully ran pretty good06:51
kirikain performance issues i read that xubuntu would run faster than ubuntu with a 32 bit system06:54
highvoltagekirika: it's certainly less memory intensive06:54
rainrunner87kirika: Also, please use nick-completion to direct your responses.  For example, to direct a response to you, I type kir[tab], and "kirika:" appears in my input box.  This lets me clarify who I'm talking to (and may produce a helpful "beep" noise on the computer of the person you're talking to)06:54
Name141kirika: god I hope so06:54
kirikasorry i havent used irc in years im not very good with it anymore06:55
rainrunner87kirika: That's ok, everyone has a learning curve.06:55
kirikarainrunner87, i really like the xubuntu layout and the simplicity of it but the only thing i was concerned about was the streaming issue06:57
Name141Would this distro be better to run on and older computer than Ubuntu?06:57
Name141an06:57
kirikaName141, yes it stated that its faster with older machines, xp was slow, ubuntu was fast, (until i had a lot of stuff on it)06:58
rainrunner87Name141: Xubuntu?  Quite probably.  The XFCE-based distribution is much simpler and less memory intensive, in part due to a decreased amount of eye candy06:58
Name141kirika, rainrunner87: Ubuntu was 10x slower than XP with even fading on.06:59
kirikaName141, you think so?07:00
rainrunner87Name141: Definitely try Xubuntu, disable what little eye candy there is, and, if you're still slow, check to see what the most memory-intensive processes are and look them up to see what they're attached to.  There might be something you don't need.07:00
Name141kirika: yes, It would take 30 seconds to open a program, then it would work OK with it, untill I had to start alternating windows, such as going to IMs, going back to the program, opening/closing programs, etc.07:01
kirikaxp was really slow, because i have a 1 gig processer and 351 meg ram07:01
Name141I am on a p2 450 MHz, 320 MBs of PC100 SDRAM, Voodoo3 3dfx 8 MB.07:01
Name14110 gb internal07:01
Name141And Ubuntu ran like it was a stuck pig.07:03
rainrunner87Name141: Hmm... half-decent computer there.  Xubuntu should run fine on it.  Just don't try to use that thing for heavy graphics or eye candy.  Stick to lightweight apps and you should be fine.07:03
kirikaName141, hmm well i dont really have a problem with the programs itself because i use GIMP alot and i browse with firefox a lot, and it runs a lot faster but i was just wonderig if anyone had a similar problem with streaming videos07:04
Name141rainrunner87: that's all I heard from people "your system would run linux smoother" , but then after Ubuntu, I had to disagree and be skeptical now.07:04
rainrunner87Name141: Which release are you running?07:04
Name141rainrunner87: I am not running one right now.  I was just thinking about going back and trying it.  But it would be the 7.1007:05
Name141Atleast I think that's the version of the newest.07:05
kirikarainrunner87, yea it was the newest i believe07:05
rainrunner87Which did you run, when you last tried it?07:05
Name141Ubuntu 7.1007:05
rainrunner87Hmm...07:05
Name141Then I looked at Kubuntu on the live disk07:06
Name141And I rememebered why I hated KDE.07:06
Name141Then I put the Xp disk back in.07:06
rainrunner87Name141: Gutsy (7.10) had a bit more eye-candy installed by default than I liked.  It's actually why I switched to Xubuntu.  Standard Ubuntu comes with Compiz enabled.07:06
rainrunner87Name141: Compiz=Shiny graphical things you can make your desktop do, most of which are completely unnecessary.07:07
Name141rainrunner87: I don't know what it was, but that crazy box in box, to box, the finally minumized or closed was the most annoying thing.07:07
Name141then finally*07:07
Name141I must say though, Videolan ran video clips a ton faster.07:08
rainrunner87Name141: Yep, sounds just like fancy eye candy enabled on a box that wasn't build to handle it.07:08
Name141Besides WMV, they still sucked.07:08
rainrunner87Give Xubuntu a shot07:08
rainrunner87built*07:08
Name141I am thinking about it.  however , my XP CD-KEY only has 1 more useage on it.  And God knows what the idiots will make me do when I use that up to get another activation.07:09
rainrunner87I have about 50 CD-KEYs lying around that I've never used.07:09
Name141LOL, this is a legal copy07:10
rainrunner87Legal CD-Keys07:10
Name141I just installed an external HD to make the computer change07:10
Name141and I could no longer use the one on the box07:10
rainrunner87Completely legal.  Still shrink-wrapped07:10
rainrunner87Sitting in a neat little stack.07:10
Name141(That came with the upgrade)07:10
Name141rainrunner87: LOL07:11
rainrunner87Name141: You won't be short a CD-Key, trust me.07:11
Name141Another thing I was having trouble with, was Xchat, I never liked it.  And I couldn't figure out how to do things such as on mIRC, like.. on *:Connect:{ preform this stuff here for this network }07:11
rainrunner87Did you use XChat, or XChat-gnome?07:13
Name141XChat07:13
Name141or whatever was installed with apt-get install xchat07:13
kirikai can be either i believe07:14
rainrunner87Then xchat.  xchat-gnome is in a package labeled, conveniently enough, xchat-gnome07:14
Name141hm, where is the network help channel here?  Or how the hell do you recover a nickserv pass07:15
rainrunner87Name141: Good question.  I'll look it up after I finish explaining how to do on-connect commands for specific networks07:15
rainrunner87Name141: From the menu bar in xchat: XChat> Network List.  From the Network List window: Select a network, press the Edit button.  In the Edit window, there is a field labeled Connect Command.  This should do what you're looking for.07:16
rainrunner87Name141: Now, I'm going to look up the nickserv pass recovery07:17
Name141I registered this through a BNC I can no longer access.07:17
Name141oh well07:18
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kirikawell i guess its safe to assume my programs are running faster, i just wish i could stream faster, but as long as GIMP and firefox runs well im satisfied, i will just have to look for some downloads07:18
rainrunner87kirika: Try googling this: firefox flash slow xubuntu07:21
rainrunner87I'm sorry I can't answer the bigger questions myself, I just have a bed to finish assembling...07:22
kirikarainrunner87, thanks i really appreciate it, i googled it before but this looks like it has more info on what i need. but i should go to sleep soon sice i have to work in a few hours but i just want to say thanks for the help07:24
rainrunner87kirika: Gladly.  Good luck, and sleep well.07:25
kirikathanks07:25
kirikasee yah07:25
jess^^hey, fresh install of xubuntu and I have no sound. what gives?07:29
jess^^everything looks like it's configured right...07:29
TheSheepjess^^: check the volume07:31
jess^^i did that, but y'know07:32
jess^^i just went into alsamixer, and stuf started working07:32
beruicAnyone here?08:49
TheSheepI don't know08:50
beruic"gnome-screensaver" does not run upon boot. Which file should I edit to fix this?08:50
TheSheepberuic: I guess it's started when you log in, not on boot08:52
beruicTheSheep: Well, which script do I modify to make it actually start?08:53
TheSheepberuic: maybe check the autostarted applications in your settings menu?08:53
fifafrazerI have a "1K Volume" icon on my desktop.. What is that, how can I remove it? It cannot be mounted.08:53
beruicTheSheep: Done that, but it shouldn't be there.08:54
TheSheepfifafrazer: it's another partition on your hard disk08:55
fifafrazerBut I've not created it, it's only 1KB in size, and it cannot be mounted08:57
_dillingeranyone here?09:18
predaeusnever09:18
_dillinger:)09:18
_dillingerany idea why my external monitor stopped working when I upgraded to Gutsy, even though my xorg.config file is untouched?09:18
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_dillingeralso, my printer now only prints blank pages...09:19
predaeushm09:19
predaeusis the printer still configured correctly?09:19
_dillingerwell, it worked fine before I updated09:20
predaeusdid you check Settings/Printing?09:20
predaeusmaybe your configs got lost.09:20
_dillingeryes, there's nothing abnormal about the settings as far as I can discern09:20
_dillingerwell, I re-installed the driver, that didn't change anything09:20
_dillingerthe settings seem fine as well09:20
_dillingerI mean, it's not like there even are that many settings09:21
_dillingerI tried playing around, changed A4 to letter and back again... no change09:21
TheSheepI think there were some people complaining about their printers stopping working before09:21
TheSheepmaybe search the bugs, there might be a workaround09:21
TheSheepor the forums09:21
_dillingeralso, someone said it might be stuck on "print pages 2, 3, 4" or a similar problem, changed it to 1 and that had no effect09:22
predaeusthere is at least one bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/13147009:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131470 in cupsys "AppArmor profile breaks printing with hplip" [High,Fix released]09:22
_dillingerthx, lets see09:22
predaeus_dillinger, about the monitor I don't know either, I think the goal was to have Gutsy detect such things automatically, might have broken your settings. Check if the drivers you need are active. Apart from that I can hardly help, never set up dual monitors in Linux before, sorry.09:23
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_dillingerwell, I did aa-complain cupsd, it set it to complain mode09:28
_dillingerbut that didni't help :(09:28
_dillingerunless a restart helps I guess09:29
_dillingerand, I have the latest cupsys drivers....09:30
_dillingerso I'm stuck again09:30
predaeus_dillinger, I think a sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart should be sufficient.09:32
predaeus"sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"09:32
predaeusto be sure09:32
_dillingerprinter warming up...09:34
_dillingerand nothing again...09:34
_dillingerfrustrating09:35
predaeus_dillinger, also ask in #ubuntu and scan the forums and launchpad bug reports.09:37
_dillingerI'm also seeing a noticable slowdown of my system on top of all my problems, I want to kick myself for upgrading09:37
_dillingerokay, thanks for trying to help anyway!09:37
_dillingerI guess there's no easy way to downgrade? any way to do it and keep my settings etc?09:39
aboyousifwas there a problem in xubuntu gutsy CD .. it display the booting menu but don't load the kernel at all .. i check the md5 and it was ok for the iso and the cd09:39
predaeusaboyousif, probably try downloading the image from the main mirror or something. somebody else had problems before with installing the cd image. md5 was ok for him too. I think there were faulty cd images circulating on release day, but I am not sure. So maybe the md5 on a mirror might differ from md5 on the main mirror, to indicate this problem.09:41
TheSheepaboyousif: another option might be that you need some boot options on your hardware09:42
aboyousifTheSheep, don't think so .. it is the first time to face this problem on xubuntu cd .. i use it since edgy09:42
aboyousifTheSheep, on the same machine i mean09:43
aboyousifpredaeus, well i think i need to recheck md5 against the one in the main mirror ..09:43
predaeusplease tell us if it differs09:44
aboyousifpredaeus, it is not differ ..09:47
aboyousifpredaeus, my last option is to test the iso itself on a virtual box to see if it is going to load or not ..09:48
predaeushm09:50
aboyousifpredaeus, i have to leave for 10mintues .. will check after i come back and tell you the results09:51
benpiccoHi, this machine is only downloading data from any network at ~7kb/s to 14kb/s -  while it's connected over a 100Mbit NIC to a proxy serving it with DSL6000!09:55
benpiccoeven from the local network no more speed is possible09:55
benpiccoany Ideas? this is a real pain in the a...09:57
benpicco the NIC is a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)09:59
TheSheepbenpicco: maybe the cable is poor quality?10:10
TheSheepbenpicco: we had that here, long cable and poorly attached plugs, and it could only negotiate 10Mb/s connection10:11
benpiccoThe Cable is ok, I've already tried one from the machines that get the full speed10:13
aboyousifpredaeus,10:22
_dillingerdamn, well, no help for my printer problem :(10:24
_dillingerI can live with the missing monitor but I really need the printer for work, it's starting to be a problem10:25
predaeus_dillinger, did you try the PDF printer to see if cups works? It prints to a pdf file in ~/PDF/10:30
_dillingerach, good idea10:30
aboyousifpredaeus, strange the iso works with the virtualbox10:32
_dillingerwell, I'll be damned, nice blank .pdf file10:33
_dillingerso, what should I do? cups obviously not working then10:33
predaeus_dillinger, did you try other applications? what app are you using?10:36
predaeusaboyousif, yes that is strange indeed. No idea what is going on.10:36
leche_y_galletashallo ihr, mit welchen irc client benutzt man in xfce?11:22
aboyousifleche_y_galletas, i use xchat .. others use irssi .. others use something else .. it is your choice i think11:26
leche_y_galletasoh sry, its the english channel11:26
leche_y_galletasim trying xfce for the first time11:27
leche_y_galletasok, will switch to xchat now, the one im used to11:27
* gnomefreak cant live without irssi 11:44
* ffjia like konversation11:45
MBR666'm running xubuntu 704. i installde kde along side. so i could run either xfce or kde. now i decided kde is crap i want to remove it completely. how do i do that? apt-get remove --- whats the package name12:17
MBR666i'm back12:19
PixilarionMBR666: just remove the package you installed to get kde13:38
Pixilarionmaybe kubuntu-desktop?13:38
MBR666i tried it didn't work. so i removed a primary library and it removed all of kde13:39
MBR666i googled and google and googled til i found my answer13:39
PixilarionMBR666: so now it is ok?13:39
MBR666yup13:39
MBR666ty anyway13:39
Pixilarionok, glad to hear that13:39
Pixilarionnp13:39
MBR666have you or are you using  710 ?13:40
MBR666just wondering if it's worth an install13:41
Pixilarionyep, I'm using 7.1013:41
Pixilarionworks fine for me13:41
Pixilariononly Skype isn't performing well13:42
Pixilarionworked better under 6.1013:42
Pixilarionbut the updated packages makes it worth upgrading13:43
Pixilarion*make13:43
MBR666thats cool. i was scared it might take my system down. ya know those infmouse upgrade issues that come up with OS upgrades13:49
batyhey people does anybody knows how to get to work a xcell2000 mobo with any linux distro?14:00
nick4_where does xubuntu store Trash?14:07
mindframe-in da trash bin14:08
maxamillionheh ...14:09
nick4_:P14:09
mindframe-the trash bin should show up in your file manager and possibly on the desktop14:14
maxamillionnick4_: try /home/<username/.Trash ... i honestly can't remember but i think that's it14:14
mindframe-how do i modify which shortcuts show up in the file manager?14:14
nick4_maxamillion thank you14:14
mindframe-it's showing a shortcut to my /boot partition, which i really dont want to see14:14
maxamillionnick4_: np14:15
nick4_I can't find some files that I see inside the desktop icon but managed to locate them with "find"14:15
nick4_~/.local/share/Trash/files/14:15
maxamillionah, good ol' find14:15
maxamillioni actually don't run xubuntu anymore and i don't have xfce intalled here at work so sorry i wasn't of much help :(14:16
Mark76Woohoo! My games are working again :D14:20
nick4_maxamillion no, it's ok :)14:20
Mark76When you create a new partition on your hard disc what should you label it as?14:26
Mark76All the choices are confusing14:28
TheSheepMark76: label it 'MyPorn' :)14:30
Mark76Ha ha14:30
Mark76Be serious :p14:31
TheSheepI'm *always* serious14:32
TheSheeplabel is just a label14:32
TheSheepa name14:32
maxamillionMark76: he speaks the truth, TheSheep does not goof around14:32
Mark76I tried to install Mandriva on a new partition yesterday and I'm pretty sure I used the wrong label14:32
Mark76Tag?14:32
Mark76Erm14:32
TheSheepfilesystem?14:33
TheSheepmountpoint?14:33
maxamillionwrong filesystem could potentially mess some stuff up14:33
maxamillionalso mountpoint14:33
Mark76Maybe14:33
Mark76Yes14:33
maxamillionbut name ... name shouldn't matter14:33
Mark76That's the one14:33
TheSheepMark76: mount point is where you want it to appear14:33
Mark76Must be file system. Give me some examples14:34
TheSheepMark76: usually somehting inside /mnt/, /media/, or your own home is a good choice14:34
TheSheepMark76: filesystem can be ext2, ext3, reiser, xfs14:34
Mark76That's the boy!14:34
maxamillion?14:34
TheSheepMark76: ubuntu recommends ext314:34
maxamillionMark76: i recommend ext314:34
Mark76I think I made my Mandriva partition ext314:35
maxamillionTheSheep: what do you personally recommend?14:35
* maxamillion is just curious14:35
TheSheepmaxamillion: for what? :)14:35
TheSheepmaxamillion: for desktop -- ext314:35
Mark76BTW, 3D acceleration is working again :D14:35
TheSheepmaxamillion: on a server, you'd want to have different mounts with different filesystems14:36
maxamillionTheSheep: on a server i would rather run opensolaris for ZFS ... but i'm still waiting on Nexenta to go stable14:36
maxamillionbut that's a different story/conversation for a different day14:37
Mark76They should have a 3D option for Kopete and Pidgin14:37
TheSheepmaxamillion: well, /tmp would be pretty happy with ext2 or even tmpfs :)14:37
Mark76tmp is temporary, right?14:37
maxamillionTheSheep: true14:38
maxamillionTheSheep: but ZFS is so freaking fast14:38
Mark76FS is file system, right?14:38
Mark76What's the Z?14:39
TheSheepMark76: yes14:39
TheSheepMark76: usually the author's name or some cool sounding codename :)14:39
Mark76Ah14:39
maxamillionMark76: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs14:39
Mark76ANyone fancy writing a 3D app for Pidgin?14:39
TheSheepZettabyte14:40
maxamillionMark76: a 3d app for pidgin? ... i don't follow14:40
TheSheephaha14:40
maxamillionTheSheep: yeah ...14:40
Mark76You could have your conversations on a cube14:40
Mark76Save cluttering up the tabs bar if you're a chronic chatter14:40
TheSheepMark76: or in a form of a comic strip14:40
maxamillionMark76: that would be pointless ... things like that should be handled by the window manager, 3d applications just clutter things and become unusable14:41
TheSheepMark76: microsoft did that14:41
Mark76Did they?14:41
TheSheepMark76: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat14:41
Mark76Well, OS would do it better :p14:41
Mark76Okay, for the Evil Empire that's pretty neat14:42
TheSheepno, that's exceptionally evil14:42
Mark76Lol14:42
TheSheepespecially the way they communicated the facial expressions14:42
Mark76What's wrong with them?14:43
TheSheep[dfhgiosehgehbcersdfklsd] no idea14:45
maxamillionwhat's not wrong with them?14:45
Mark76:p14:46
fyni's on a machine with 256mb, is there a nice guide somewheres for trimming out unnecessary items for the best xubuntu memory footprint?14:50
TheSheepfyn: just remove the services you don't use14:50
Mark76Yep14:50
Mark76Easy as that14:51
Mark76Or you could try Fluxbuntu14:51
maxamillionMark76: fluxbuntu is having some issues at the moment ... they still haven't released gutsy because they haven't reached a stable release image14:51
Mark76Ah14:52
Mark76Later then14:52
maxamillion;)14:52
Mark76Is Fluxbuntu an official family member?14:52
maxamillionMark76: no14:53
maxamillionMark76: something to do with politics14:53
Mark76http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7067962.stm14:53
Mark76Ah right14:53
fynhm ... is fluxbox really much lighter than xfce or more just a subjective preference thing?14:54
maxamillionMark76: xubuntu is kinda in limbo in my opinion14:54
maxamillionfyn: well it is much lighter becuase it doesn't depend on any gtk libraries at all ... but once you get all your applications running and such, its "more lightweight" features normally become neglegable and its mainly just a preference thing after that14:55
fynheh.14:55
maxamillionfyn: i run openbox and pypanel on some machines, xfce/gnome/kde on others ... all depends on the machine, what its for and who is using it14:55
Mark76Limbo, Max?14:56
maxamillionMark76: huh?14:56
Mark76*lowers the bar*14:56
maxamillionlol14:57
Mark76Xubuntu is in limbo?14:57
maxamillionMark76: well, xubuntu is "officially recognized" but we are kinda the red headed step child of the ubuntu world from and internal view of the *buntu family14:59
Mark76Ah14:59
Mark76Oh well, give it time14:59
maxamillionmeh, i stopped using it long ago ... Xubuntu is a great project, but its main drawback is that ubuntu updates constantly break things .... 7 years of debian with *zero* issues15:00
* maxamillion knocks on wood15:00
Mark76Lol15:02
maxamillionTheSheep: can i try/catch an import statement in python?15:02
* maxamillion can't remember15:02
Mark76I'm off15:15
Mark76Bye for now15:15
fynis there an epiphany build sans extraneous gnome deps for use with xubuntu or some other lightweight gecko implementaion?15:18
garuhhhhi! what's the easiest way installing vlc if my pc is not connected to the internet?15:35
Pixilarion!epiphany15:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about epiphany - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:35
Pixilariongaruhhh: isn't it included on the cd?15:36
Pixilarion!vlc15:36
ubotuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs15:36
Pixilarion!VLC15:37
garuhhhif it's in the cd, won't it be installed automatically?15:37
Pixilarionnope15:37
Pixilarionjust try sudo apt-get install vlc with your cd inserted15:38
aussiemananyone using gutsy yet? im having problems with network manager ..15:38
Pixilarionaussieman: I am15:38
Pixilarionwithout NM problems :)15:38
aussiemanPixilarion, is nm and the aplet going ok?15:39
aussiemani keep having drop outs in the connection, it wont display the cable connexion if i have the ewifi on roaming and everytime i start up i have an increasing number of applets in my task bar15:39
aussiemanhow is that for a start?15:39
TheSheepmaxamillion: yes15:40
aussiemanpues mal15:40
aussiemanok well ill just keep hunting for an answer15:40
Pixilarionaussieman: if you wnat you can disable the networkmanager alltogether15:40
PixilarionSettings > Autostarted Applications15:41
Pixilarionbut I only use a cable connection15:41
aussiemanhow?15:41
aussiemanPixilarion, how?15:41
Pixilarionso I can't help you with wifi15:41
Pixilarionhow what?15:41
Pixilarionthe disableing?15:42
Pixilarionjust go to, like i said, Settings > Autostarted Applications15:42
Pixilarionthere you can switch off the applets15:42
aussiemanok thanks15:42
Pixilarionlike update manager and network manager15:42
Pixilarionthey annoyed my like hell15:42
Pixilarion:)15:42
aussiemandone15:43
aussiemani dont mind them when they work properly but i recall when i got fiesty it took a few weeks for them to settle down i suppose this will be the same15:43
Pixilarionlol15:44
Pixilariondon't know about that15:44
aussiemanthats linux15:44
Pixilarionwell, the update manager for me was a real pain because I'm working on a slow machine15:45
Pixilarionand at boot time it took all my resources15:45
Pixilarionand the networkmanager isn't necessary for my because of 1 permanent cable connection15:45
aussiemanyeh i know i had one of them until the spanih gvt decdied to give us all cheap loans15:45
Pixilarionwell, my iBook broke down a few eeks a go and as a poor student I can't afford a new one15:46
Pixilarionso I'm stuck with this Dell from 8 years old15:46
ZettabyteHello15:47
Zettabytea question !15:47
PixilarionZettabyte: hi15:47
Pixilarionshoot! :)15:47
TheSheepzfs...15:47
ZettabyteShared folders in xubuntu ???15:48
PixilarionZettabyte: System > Shared Folders?15:48
Zettabytebut !! Windows shared folders for viewing on xubuntu15:49
PixilarionZettabyte: man, please make some nice phrases15:50
PixilarionWhat are you asking actually?15:50
garuhhhpixilarion: thanks! i'll try that first...15:52
ZettabyteAs to see the shared folders of a pc with windows on my pc xubuntu15:52
ZettabyteI need to access windows shared folder from xubuntu desktop15:53
PixilarionZettabyte: ok, I understand you now15:53
Pixilariongive me a minute15:53
TheSheep!smbfs15:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about smbfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:54
ZettabyteIn ubuntu, there is an option from the dropdown menu but on xubuntu it doesn't have.15:54
TheSheepZettabyte: you need a separate client for that, or a smbfs mount15:54
TheSheepZettabyte: xubuntu doesn't come with an smb client15:55
TheSheepZettabyte: you need to install one15:55
ZettabyteLike that?16:02
winkerbeanAnybody know how to get lpr to print a file with printer codes already embedded in the file?16:21
pilibeenso is it a good idea to upgrade to gutsy gibbon right now?16:25
vinzepilibeen, be sure to back up your stuff if you can16:25
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vinzeHey people, I've got this other harddrive in my computer that I plan on using for backups... Which filesystem would you recommend? Just normal ext3?16:46
zoredachehow are you going to make backups, and what are you backing up?16:54
zoredacheif you where to use something like dirvish for example you would want to use ext316:55
vinzezoredache, I think I'll use sbackup to backup my personal documents and perhaps my settings16:55
zoredachebut generally unless you are doing something unusual it is best to stick with ext3... it is probably the most well tested and most stable filesystem16:57
vinzeOK then I'll go with that, thanks16:57
zoredacheoh, and let me put another plug in for dirvish... It is a great backup tool...  I think it is what Apple stole their idea for time machine from16:59
* vinze looks up dirvish16:59
vinzeHmm... Is it commandline?17:00
zoredachethe really neat feature is that it uses hard links to effeciently store multiple backups17:00
zoredacheyes, it is basically just a perl script that runs rsync17:00
vinzeI prefer GTK applications...17:00
graulichI just installed xubuntu-desktop on Gutsy Ubuntu. On the first time I loaded the xfce session all was well, but since then every time I try, xfce4-session doesn't start and I have to start all the bits and pieces of xfce one by one.17:02
ToshibiHello....I have a question about Upgrading from 7.04 to 7.1017:10
evil_techok17:11
vinzeI can't unmount a partition because "it disagrees with fstab", what should I do?17:12
ToshibiI am getting an MD5Sum error on the last file17:12
evil_techvinze: i think there is a command to force unmount17:15
vinzeevil_tech, when I ran Thunar as root I managed to unmount it without errors, but Gparted takes ages to scan my hard drives now17:15
brick__how do i make compiz-fusion autostart when starting up/rebooting?17:16
vinzeAh well, I'm off for dinner, I'll try again later17:16
brick__nevermind. got it.17:17
evil_techhow did you do it brick__?17:18
evil_techi've been trying to get it to run at boot for a while17:19
brick__just added it to autostarted applications with command compiz --replace17:19
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evil_techhmm i tried that and it didnt work17:19
brick__hmm. running 7.04 or 7.10 ?17:20
evil_tech7.1017:20
brick__it didnt work for me in7.04, had to make som startupscript that i cant remmember, and havent tested in 7.10 yet, ill restart now and be backin a second--17:20
brick__evil_tech, worked perfectly here.17:22
brick__rebooted and got compiz running right away..17:22
evil_techhmm must not have done it right17:22
evil_techi'll have to double check when i back in xubuntu17:23
brick__its in meny - settings - autostarted apps. name and description to what ever you want and command is compiz --replace17:23
brick__in xfce menu editor, there is an --- include --- system line.. how can i edit whats in that "system" meny ?17:42
TheSheepbrick__: you can add your own entries bove it and they will 'cover' the included ones17:43
TheSheepabove17:43
brick__yeah, but if i just want to add something to that system menu? a launcher for fireftp in the network menu?17:43
TheSheepbrick__: make a 'network' submenu and a 'fireftp' launcher in it17:44
TheSheepbrick__: just make sure to put it above the include17:44
brick__but will it overwrite the values inside the systems network menu ?17:44
TheSheepbrick__: only the ones named the same as those you add17:45
TheSheepbrick__: submenus will be 'merged'17:45
brick__ok...17:45
brick__shame,, i lost the network menu icon.. any idea on what name it has? cant remmember how it looked and its looks crappy with "holes" in the menu17:52
TheSheepbrick__: xfce-network afair18:02
brick__no suck thing here. only xfce-internet18:02
brick__but i think its the one:P18:03
vinzeHey, I want to format /dev/hda, but when I open Gparted while it is unmounted, it will takes ages to start (it hangs with "Scanning all devices..."). Any ideas?18:29
zoredachedid you say you are trying to format a partition while it is mounted?  Also, do you really want to format /dev/hda, or do you want to create a partition on it, and format that?18:32
vinzeNo, I want to partition it, for which it needs to be unmounted, but when it is, Gparted won't start normally....18:34
vinzeAnd yes, I want to format /dev/hda (there are two partitions on it now), but Xubuntu is on /dev/hdb ;-)18:34
zoredacheyou probably should repartition while you are booted from a livecd....18:35
vinzeHmm... Yeah, I'll try that then, thanks18:35
zoredacherepartitioning while on a running system tends not to work out very well18:35
vinzeWell, /dev/hda has nothing to do with my running system, but from a LiveCD will probably work better indeed18:36
graulichI installed xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu Gutsy. Ever since my second xfce session, when I log on as myself xfce4-session doesn't start. I made a new user to see if this is a systemwide problem, and the new user loads xfce4 just fine. What could the problem be?18:36
vinzezoredache, apparently Gparted has now finished loading so I can still partition it now :)18:40
schlumpf-hi i am trying to build "openVeoh" i followed the steps as said in the walkthrough but i had the following errors during the make command i have no clue so ill just c&p the last lines19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h:38:21: error: sqlite3.h: No such file or directory19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h:42: Fehler: ISO-C++ verbietet Deklaration von »sqlite3« ohne Typ19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h:42: Fehler: expected »;« before »*« token19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h: In destructor »VeohSQL::~VeohSQL()«:19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h:56: Fehler: »db« wurde in diesem Gültigkeitsbereich nicht definiert19:47
schlumpf-../include/veohsql.h:56: Fehler: »sqlite3_close« wurde in diesem Gültigkeitsbereich nicht definiert19:47
schlumpf-make[1]: *** [clientinfo.o] Fehler 119:48
schlumpf-make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis '/home/openveoh/src/core'19:48
schlumpf-make: *** [libopenveoh] Fehler 219:48
evil_tech!pastebin19:49
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)19:49
Rodents210I set up my wireless adapter but I can't set it to "No security" and it can never get get a connection19:51
Rodents210it lights up and says it can connect but signal strength is 019:51
Rodents210I think what I'm using is p54usb because it works, and the ndiswrapper driver does not19:54
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graulichwhat's the simplest way to have a command run every time I log in?20:11
evil_techcron job?20:11
graulichhow do I make one?20:12
evil_techum i cant remember and my linux book seems to be missing20:13
graulichisn't there a relatively simple way involving gdm?20:14
evil_techi think there is a GUI of it20:14
evil_techyou could poke around in synaptic for one20:15
graulichI just need to put one command in, I wanna poke around as little as possible =\20:15
evil_techhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-add-jobs-to-cron-under-linux-or-unix-oses/20:18
evil_techcrontab -e in a terminal20:18
evil_techis there an equivalent program to DVDFab in linux?20:37
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julesaAnd there you have it.21:38
harrycnow I have a question to ask someone. how do I do that?21:38
julesaJust ask.21:39
D4vidI have an old laptop with 800 mhz and 182 mb ram21:43
D4vidwill xubuntu run smoothly21:43
D4vid+21:43
D4vid?21:43
harrycI installed a feisty fawn version of xubuntu on an old ibm thinkpad. it worked great for  a while and then one day I turned it on and the menu bar across the top of the desktop had disappeared along with all the menu options. I got up a terminal and tried to update, but it wouldn't let me do it. anyone have a fix? thanks very much.21:43
julesaD4vid: That's a bit tight. You might want to look at something smaller like xubuntu.21:47
julesaD4vid: Though, honestly, 182Mb of ram is kind of tight. Have you thought about upgrading it. If it's even possible?21:47
D4vidi wrote xubuntu21:48
* julesa chuckles.21:48
D4vidand this is the xubuntu forum21:48
D4vidchannel*21:48
D4vidi think it's possible21:48
julesaDid I type xubuntu? Yes, space aliens took over my fingers.21:48
D4vidwhat did you mean then?21:49
T`is it safe to just do a apt-get update/dist-upgrade after changing fiesty to gutsy in sources.list?21:49
T`my upgrade manager doesn't show a new distro21:49
T`i dunno why21:49
julesaD4vid: How about http://www.puppylinux.org/ or DSL?21:50
D4vidxubuntu says that it only need 64 mb ram21:51
D4vidand it is only going to be used for internet, email and wordprocessing21:51
julesaD4vid: Well, there's only one way to find out!21:51
D4vidyeah hehe21:52
D4vidi think it's going to be faster than xp anyway21:52
julesaCan you even boot XP in that amount of ram?21:52
D4vidjulesa, yes it works but it's slow sometimes21:55
jjmivwhat's going on21:58
unl33t_homehello22:25
|PeReGiL|buenas tardes gente22:26
|PeReGiL|bunisimas tardes22:26
|PeReGiL|alguien q hable español ¿?22:26
unl33t_homelo siento, no, no hablo mucho22:27
|PeReGiL|ni modo22:27
|PeReGiL|alguien q me ayude22:27
|PeReGiL|tengo problemas con glx en mi xubuntu gutsy22:27
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unl33t_homenot working?  roto?22:28
unl33t_homeo not installed?22:29
|PeReGiL|no esta instalado22:29
|PeReGiL|de hecho no puedo instalarlo con22:29
|PeReGiL|apt-get install xserver-glx22:30
|PeReGiL|no me permite instalar por que me pide la clave de root .. se la pongo .. pero me señala como clave incorrectar22:30
unl33t_homeque vidio card?  ati?  nvidia?22:31
|PeReGiL|nvidia22:31
|PeReGiL|tengo activada la aceleracion 3D22:31
|PeReGiL|rendering yes22:31
dgimsehi i was wondering how to change file extenaions in the boot directory22:32
|PeReGiL|puedo instalar ubuntu en xubuntu22:34
unl33t_homePeReGil:  aptitude install nvidia-glx-new22:34
|PeReGiL|ok22:35
|PeReGiL|tnaks22:35
|PeReGiL|tanks22:35
unl33t_homeno problem22:35
unl33t_homethat should do it22:35
unl33t_homesi no trabajo, aptitude search nvidia, por file list22:36
|PeReGiL|ok22:37
|PeReGiL|algo mas22:37
|PeReGiL|se puede instalar gnome sobre xubuntu ¿?22:37
unl33t_homesobre?22:37
|PeReGiL|en xubuntu22:38
|PeReGiL|gnome in xubuntu22:38
unl33t_homeah22:38
unl33t_homeinstall gnome-desktop, but will replace xubuntu-desktop meta backage (profile)22:39
unl33t_homeanyone know if they are no longer doing a ppc port?22:40
unl33t_homei want to install xubuntu on my powerbook...22:40
|PeReGiL|unable to lock the admisitration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) are you root?22:41
stinkyfootanyone in here?22:41
|PeReGiL|unable to lock the admisitration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) are you root?22:42
unl33t_homearound ish22:42
|PeReGiL|no reconoce mi contraseña de root22:42
unl33t_homesudo <command>22:43
stinkyfootmy firefox always crashes22:43
stinkyfootat odd times22:43
stinkyfootany advice?22:43
unl33t_homeoff the top of my head, not really, whats it running on?22:44
stinkyfootmeaning what kind of computer?22:44
unl33t_homex64?  x86?22:44
unl33t_homeyeah22:44
stinkyfoot8622:44
stinkyfootit happens on both my desktop and laptop22:44
unl33t_homeodd, should work fine22:44
stinkyfootits not when i ahve a bunch of windows open or anything22:44
unl33t_homeon my system its usually java or flash related22:44
|PeReGiL|ok22:45
|PeReGiL|tnaks22:45
|PeReGiL|tanks22:45
stinkyfootyea i guess it could be that22:45
stinkyfoothow do i fix that?22:45
|PeReGiL|install compiz fusion in xubuntu ¿?22:45
unl33t_homemake sure they're installed, you might have to enable the commercial repositories22:46
stinkyfootwell they're definitely installed22:46
stinkyfootwhat other browsers can i run that are compatible?22:46
stinkyfootwith lots of websites?22:46
stinkyfootother than opera22:46
stinkyfootwhich crashes sometimes as well for me22:46
unl33t_homegnome used to have a browser, kde still does, but both are mozilla based22:47
stinkyfootkde has konqueror yea22:47
stinkyfootthat one was working fine when i was running kubuntu22:47
stinkyfootbut it's also a file manager and i'm wary of installing it in xubuntu because of that22:47
unl33t_homeif you enable the kde libs in the settings, don't remember the menu path off th top of my head, sorry22:48
unl33t_homedoh22:48
stinkyfooti dont want it to take over my file management22:48
ZettabyteHello22:48
ZettabyteI have a problem mounting shared folders on xubuntu in fstab22:48
|PeReGiL|install compiz fusion in xubuntu gutsy ¿?22:48
stinkyfootno likely peregil22:48
|PeReGiL|cuales son los repositorios22:49
Zettabyteperegil eres duro en xubuntu?22:49
stinkyfootque significa duro22:49
|PeReGiL|not22:49
ZettabyteI have a problem mounting shared folders in fstab22:49
Zettabyteguru22:50
stinkyfootdid i say that right?22:50
stinkyfootque significa?22:50
|PeReGiL|nose22:50
|PeReGiL|pero soy novato22:50
Zettabytequice decir que si es un guru de xubuntu22:50
|PeReGiL|comnece con xubuntu22:50
|PeReGiL|mi primer contacto con linux22:50
|PeReGiL|fue por xubuntu22:51
Zettabytetengo un problema montando carpetas compartidas22:51
Zettabytesi las monto manualmente bien22:51
D4vidhow do install?22:51
Zettabytepero en fstab para que quede cada vez que se inicia linux no funciona22:51
D4vidi get this Busybox thingy22:51
|PeReGiL|se puede instalar compiz fusion en xubuntu gutsy ¿?22:51
Zettabytecreo que no22:52
|PeReGiL|uhmmm22:52
|PeReGiL|ni modo22:52
|PeReGiL|me cambio a ubuntu con gnome22:52
unl33t_homeno se, aptitude search compiz o aptitude search fusion, possible22:52
Zettabytepero para xfce lo dudo22:52
|PeReGiL|si llevo semanas intentandolo22:53
unl33t_homeanyone know if the ppc ports been dropped compleatly?23:02
aoupihrm, how can I get the command of an item in the menu?23:12
unl33t_homei think through one of the two menu editors, haven't played with it too much yet23:13
unl33t_homeunder settings23:13
aoupiwell23:14
aoupiit says  --- include system --- where the item is :)23:14
TheSheepaoupi: if you add another item with the same name above it, it will 'cover' the system one23:14
TheSheepaoupi: and the submenus are merged23:15
aoupiTheSheep: yea, but I want to know what command is run when I click a certain item in the menu23:15
aoupiDisplay Settings23:15
aoupihow would I invoke that from a terminal23:16
TheSheepgrep 'Display Setting' /usr/share/applications/*.desktop23:16
TheSheepthen see into the files listed23:16
aoupiTheSheep: thanks :)23:16
TheSheepaoupi: the command is: xfce-setting-show display23:17
aoupiyea, found it thx23:17
unl33t_homethere should be another menu editor that goes more in depth to what is in the system menu23:25
TheSheepunl33t_home: these items are not user-editable23:27
unl33t_homehrm, sorry :\23:27
TheSheepunl33t_home: there is a work in progress for a new menu system for xfce 4.6 that fixes this issue23:27
TheSheepunl33t_home: but it's liekly to take a while23:28
unl33t_homei've waited for gnome to make it where it has and dabbled in fvwm ;)  i can wait for xfce :)23:32
unl33t_homeok, time to clean... gotta bounce, and soon i'll replace osx with xubuntu :)23:33
evil_techhow do you start xfce wm23:42
TheSheepxfwm423:43
evil_techgrr i made compiz break stuff23:44
evil_techthere fixed23:46

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