[00:45] <jamiej> Please does any one know is it possible to make ldm auto login now?
[06:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: did I ping you?
[06:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[06:03] <highvoltage> night before last night
[06:04] <highvoltage> first time I see you online again now :)
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:06] <LaserJock> I don't think I know what I wanted to ask you
[06:07] <LaserJock> could have been something to do with edubuntu.org but I don't know
[06:09] <highvoltage> ok, np
[06:11] <LaserJock> oh, maybe I remember
[10:00] <pacomontoro> wenas
[10:00] <pacomontoro> nas
[12:44] <sbalneav> Morning a;;
[12:44] <sbalneav> err, all
[12:47] <dtrask> mornin' fellas
[12:48] <dtrask> RichEd: You in here yet?
[12:48] <stgraber> I managed to install edubuntu on virtualbox, after 4 install :)
[12:49] <stgraber> now let's create some thin clients
[12:53] <dtrask> moquist_: you in here?
[12:55] <dtrask> If anyone has the ability to do skype with video....I want to show ya'll who benefits from your awesome work
[12:56] <pips1> will the edubuntu weekly meeting happen, or are you folks all to busy?
[12:57] <pips1> busy / just getting up / grabbing breakfast / hung over / ...? :-)
[12:57] <sbalneav> pips1: Good question.  I don't know
[12:57] <sbalneav> I'm up, had breakfast, etc.
[12:57] <sbalneav> Ollie's still putting his face on :)
[12:57] <pips1> hehe
[12:58] <pips1> what about the german lederhosen?
[12:58] <dtrask> where's moquist_?
[12:59] <pips1> who was at uds paris?
[12:59] <pips1> from in here?
[13:00] <pips1> ah
[13:01]  * pips1 glances at the channel participants list
[13:01] <dtrask> sbalneav: is moquist around?
[13:03] <sbalneav> dtrask: Haven't seen him as yet.
[13:03] <sbalneav> Ollie's here now.
[13:06] <RIchEd> yo dtrask
[13:06] <RIchEd> and pips1
[13:06] <dtrask> RIchEd: hey
[13:07] <RichEd> dtrask: let me check the schedule to see when we have a free slot this morning ...
[13:07] <pips1> hi
[13:07] <dtrask> RIchEd: we're up for vid hookup if you guys are....just called moquist...I'm going to have him fire up Skype in a minute so I can show you guys the little kids using Tuxpaint to make Halloween pics
[13:08] <RichEd> cool ... just sorting out the schedule for the day ... will be with you as soon as possible
[13:08] <stgraber> dtrask: I'm currently at a roundtable, I'll be with the edubuntu guys at 9:50
[13:08] <dtrask> I basically have the 10:10 - 10:50 time period....15 mins should be more than enough if anyone can squeeze in there...if not...no big deal
[13:09] <dtrask> RichEd: we can watch you guys work  ;-)
[13:10] <pips1> dtrask: question: Is it possible to have a group video chat in Skype at all? where I could join you guys in the Skype session from here?
[13:11] <pips1> probably not...
[13:11] <pips1> I think video chat only works two-way...
[13:12] <dtrask> pips1: never tried...no idea....moquist has a MacBook Pro...and we tried it yesterday....if he could hook up to a projector that would be cool...are you at UDS?
[13:12] <pips1> nope
[13:12] <dtrask> pips1: I'm not at the moment...was, but had to come back to teach a couple days...head back in a few hours
[13:12] <pips1> ah
[13:13] <dtrask> pips1: I have little 5 year olds in here using Edubuntu
[13:13] <pips1> dtrask: I've also started teaching a class here in zurich :-)
[13:13] <pips1> dtrask: 5 year olds! wow
[13:13] <pips1> I teach grown ups though
[13:14] <pips1> I guess the small and and the grown ups are fun to teach... perhaps the teenagers in-between can be a bit difficult :-)
[13:21] <pips1> hmm
[13:22] <pips1> I see mostly flash based multi-user video chats...
[13:22] <pips1> http://www.kolabora.com/news/2004/11/18/flashbased_video_conferencing_solutions_on.htm
[13:23] <dtrask> ok guys...that was very cool
[13:23] <dtrask> I'll use the LCD projector  later so they can all see
[13:23] <pips1> nice one
[13:25] <dtrask> RichEd: That was cool...so...if possible we'll try and hook up in the 10 o'clock hour sometime...I can put you guys up on the LCD projector and set the camera up so you guys can see more of the class
[13:26] <dtrask> RichEd: if moquist is able...you too can use a projector perhaps...we can even watch you guys work and I'll ask some simple questions about what you're doing and all
[13:26]  * pips1 wonders if there is a record function in skype
[13:28] <dtrask> pips1: I'm actually using a firewire camera...so what I can do is record my end of things and post it.
[13:29] <pips1> meanwhile, I found out that skype can currently only do video calls with two participants, no video conference calls.
[13:30] <pips1> dtrask: nice
[13:30] <pips1> "Currently you cannot record your Skypecast from within Skype"
[13:31] <dtrask> pips1: do you have a Mac?  iChat can do video conferencing AFAIK
[13:31] <dtrask> multiple
[13:31] <dtrask> pips1: dunno if moquist has an account, but it's a possibility
[13:32] <pips1> interesting. yes, we have an imac, my wife uses it mostly.
[13:33] <pips1> I think you guys should go ahead with what you arleady tested... only 30 mins to go. :-)
[13:34] <pips1> I was just thinking out loud... curious. :-)
[13:34] <dtrask> :-)
[13:35] <dtrask> moquist_: do you have a video dongle/adapter for your MBP?
[13:43] <moquist_> dtrask: not with me
[13:45] <pips1> hi moquist_
[13:46] <dtrask> moquist_: it'd be cool even to just have a vid chat with you
[13:47] <dtrask> moquist_: I'll keep the questions simple  ;-)
[13:48] <dtrask> moquist_: I'll make you famous in the eyes of 9 and 10 year olds  ;-)
[13:49] <ulisse> hello guys!
[13:49] <pips1> hi
[13:49] <ulisse> i have a little question about thin client:
[13:50] <ulisse> is it possible to serve the OS via an ethernet cable, but have the thin client connected to internet via a wireless card?
[13:50] <ulisse> I mean, the difficult thing should be to run the wifi card on the client, right?
[13:52] <pips1> ulisse: i don't have an answer to you question, but i'm curious why you want to do that.. :-)
[13:52] <ulisse> heh
[13:52] <ulisse> it is because an crazy law here in Italy
[13:52] <ulisse> (another crazy law, not the one we got slashdotted recently)
[13:52] <pips1> heh
[13:53] <ulisse> I want to run the clients in an hotel, for free public acces
[13:53] <ulisse> but according to that law, I have to keep a log of the users connections
[13:53] <ulisse> if I can use the wireless, I could make the clients connect via the Free-Hotspot system
[13:54] <ulisse> and the log would be managed directly by their servers
[13:54] <pips1> i see
[13:56] <pips1> there seems no limit to what crazy setups people want to do :-)
[13:56] <pips1> your explanation makes sense though
[13:56] <pips1> sorry I'm no help
[13:57] <pips1> most edubuntu / ltsp devs are probably rather busy at the developer summit right now...
[13:57] <pips1> so you might not be heard / get an answer just now... :-/
[13:58] <pips1> got to run.. cu l8r
[13:58] <ulisse> np, I think the best solution will be to not use ltsp, anyway I'm talking about only two pc
[13:58] <ulisse> thanks anyway
[13:58] <dtrask_> name of the gobby doc?
[13:58] <pips1> ulisse: cu
[14:01] <sakhi> hi
[14:01] <sakhi> highvoltage: hi
[14:01] <sakhi> ltps
[14:01] <dtrask_> highvoltage: Hi!
[14:03] <dtrask_> the UI in italc is something that needs a lot of work
[14:03] <dtrask_> at least in my opinion
[14:03] <sakhi> I have just installed Edubuntu 7.10 on 2 servers, the thin client boots on the one server but it does not boot on the second server. what could be wrong?
[14:03] <sakhi> Both the server's have the same spec
[14:07] <sakhi> jvanrooyen: ohi
[14:07] <jvanrooyen> sakhi: hey
[14:12] <bddebian> Heya
[14:19] <dtrask_> moquist_: the kids are here and VERY excited.  Even if we could just talk to you, that would be cool
[14:20] <dtrask_> RichEd: if you guys cn spare about 10 mins at some point in the very near future, the kids are very excited about the prospect of meeting you guys
[14:20] <RichEd> great ... can we do it in 15 mins ?
[14:21] <RichEd> moquist_ is wrapped up with the italc BOF and note taking
[14:22] <RichEd> dtrask_: it would be great if we could get a little exercise going along the line we spoke about with the kids contributing ... how about asking them to write an letter / email to the edubuntu guys on the topics:
[14:22] <RichEd> #1 why i like using computers at school
[14:22] <RichEd> #2 why i like using edubuntu
[14:23] <RichEd> even if they all do not complete the "exercise" it should make for some sweet quotes we can put up onto the web site ?
[14:23] <dtrask_> RichEd: that would be perfect....class ends at 10:50...it's 10:22 right now...so it'll give us enough time to have a short chat
[14:24] <RichEd> cool ... raise the idea above with the kids, and it will give us a topic to chat about ... they can answer the questions verbally today, and then sit down to write them tomorrow
[14:24] <dtrask_> you bet
[14:24] <RichEd> (that is if they have recovered from the halloween sugar buzzzzzzz .... by the time they get back to school)
[14:30]  * dtrask_ readies for the video conference...kids are PUMPED!
[14:36] <dtrask_> RichEd: we are ready when you are
[14:37] <dtrask_> moquist_: we are ready....can you begin?
[14:38] <RichEd> dtrask_: moquist_ is firing up the electronic wormhole
[14:48] <highvoltage> hi sakhi and dtrask_!
[14:50] <dtrask_> RichEd: that was VERY cool for the kids...thanks so much
[14:51] <RichEd> thanks to you guys too ... it was a good seed ... we can grow from that little intro ... the kids can now visualise us if you set them tasks
[14:56] <dtrask_> RichEd: exactly...and it went vey well considering we threw it together in 10 mins  ;-)
[15:01] <stgraber> and video quality wasn't that bad with the poor bandwidth we had (probably something like 10kB/s)
[15:04] <dtrask_> stgraber: wow...that's pretty slow  ;-)
[15:05] <stgraber> well we have a T1 connection for the whole hotel IIRC :)
[15:06] <stgraber> they then use transparent proxying + mirror
[15:07] <sakhi> kbye
[15:07] <stgraber> ogra: I'm doing an italc install on Virtualbox so you can have an idea of what we'll need to do to have it working on thin clients
[15:17] <dtrask_> stgraber: good point
[15:18] <ogra> stgraber, great !
[15:30] <stgraber> ogra: I have it working :)
[15:30] <ogra> yay
[15:31] <dtrask_> stgraber: I'm blogging the video chat...where are you from?
[15:31] <RichEd> swisserlund
[15:31] <sbalneav> The land of Chocolate, Banking, and army knives.
[15:32] <dtrask_> thx....three of my fave things!
[15:32] <dtrask_> love the bobsleds too
[15:32] <dtrask_> oh..and a certain kind of cheese
[15:32] <RichEd> and don't forget .... Heidie
[15:33] <dtrask_> Oh yeah....I remember Heidi!
[15:36] <stgraber> ogra: only problem I have is a "Authentication failed" error in the notification area and I can't figure out what's causing it ...
[15:36] <stgraber> dtrask_: yep, switzerland
[15:36] <stgraber> ogra: where are you ?
[15:38] <ogra> in the corridor next to the mobile room
[15:44] <groovedreamer> elo
[15:45] <groovedreamer> hi gnomefreak
[15:45] <groovedreamer> bddebian: spox
[15:46] <groovedreamer> bddebian: not yet?
[15:46] <bddebian> Hrm?
[15:46] <groovedreamer> bddebian: yes
[15:47] <bddebian> yes what?
[15:47] <groovedreamer> bddebian: sarge?
[15:47] <groovedreamer> hmm
[15:49] <groovedreamer> now woman no cry
[15:49] <bddebian> groovedreamer: I'm sorry, I am not following.
[15:49] <groovedreamer> bddebian:  you've got
[15:57] <bddebian> WTF?
[16:03] <sbalneav> Wow
[16:03] <sbalneav> That was.... existential :)
[17:18] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[17:20] <ogra> stgraber, pong
[17:21] <stgraber> ogra: we are working on the italc thing, should we import the upstream svn and then re-upload on bzr or simply use bzr for the debian/ and then use dpatch ?
[17:22] <ogra> stgraber, i hink LP has an option to point a bzr import to a svn root
[17:22] <ogra> so create a team and a branch in that team
[17:22] <ogra> point that branch to pull from upstreams svn
[17:23] <stgraber> not directly, I managed to import the svn though and can re-uploaed to bzr so we keep the revisions
[17:23] <stgraber> but do we want to work directly on the code and then create our own orig package or create an orig from SVN and then patch it as we do with most packages ?
[17:28] <stgraber> ogra: ^
[17:30] <ogra> yeah
[17:45] <stgraber> ogra: how can you answer "yeah" to a "or" question ? :)
[17:46] <LaserJock> stgraber: ogra can do anything ;-)
[17:46] <ogra> stgraber, i can do that only if Burgundavia distracts me all the time :P
[17:48] <stgraber> ogra: so ? :)
[17:49] <ogra> yeah
[17:50] <sbalneav> ogra's being deliberately obstreperous
[17:50] <stgraber> :)
[17:54] <Burgundavia> heh
[18:03] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston
[18:03] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston
[18:03] <Burgundavia> http://www.bangkokpost.com/Database/31Oct2007_data01.php
[18:05] <Nubae> hi, I'm running gutsy on a thin client computer that seems to have apic problems...
[18:05] <Nubae> How can I get it to start up with apic off?
[18:08] <sbalneav> Edit the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file
[18:09] <sbalneav> add "noapic" to the kernel command line.
[18:24] <Nubae> thanks, but will that not do that for every client then?
[18:24] <Nubae> or does that not really matter?
[18:26] <ogra> LaserJock, did the wlan on your classmate under XP work ?
[18:28] <LaserJock> ogra: yes it did
[18:29] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't think I got it to work under linkux
[18:29] <LaserJock> *linux
[18:29] <LaserJock> but I didn't investigate it much, it could've been on my side
[18:30] <ogra> intresting
[18:30] <ogra> i cant get it to find anything here
[18:32] <Nubae> well, the noapic variable worked, but now the system simply freezes and gets stuck just after stating loading initrd.img and then redy
[18:32] <Nubae> Ready
[18:32] <Nubae> cant even ctrl+alt+del
[18:33] <Nubae> when I say worked I mean it took the 8254 bios timer bug message away
[18:34] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, basically it seemed like it didn't see any wireless networks
[18:36] <ogra> so how did you get it to see one than ?
[18:37]  * ogra tries to get this XP crap going here
[18:37] <ogra> heh, my linux classmate actually sees the lpc mesh
[18:37] <ogra> *olpc
[18:38] <LaserJock> interesting
[18:39] <LaserJock> ogra: in Windows everything is fine, in Linux I don't think it sees any networks
[18:39] <LaserJock> at least I think that's what I remember
[18:39] <LaserJock> I can check tonight
[18:43] <fgiraldeau> ogra : is it possible to update blueprint for italc, to set the wiki page?
[18:43] <fgiraldeau> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-and-italc
[18:48] <ogra> fgiraldeau, url ?
[18:49] <stgraber> ogra: busy ?
[18:49] <ogra> partially
[18:50] <ogra> (flashing classmates here)
[18:50] <stgraber> ogra: I have a 50% working iTalc 1.0.3.1 (svn), the VNC part crash but no more authentication problem
[18:51] <stgraber> ogra: we are just thinking of the way we should run it on the client
[18:51] <stgraber> so they can't simply kill it
[18:51] <stgraber> (as they can do with tcm)
[18:53] <fgiraldeau> no more authentication problem, since there is no authentication at all
[18:53] <ogra> cool
[18:56] <fgiraldeau> localapps
[19:00]  * fgiraldeau in the brooks room
[20:15] <stgraber> ogra: I no longer have that ica icon :)
[20:15] <stgraber> (one line patch)
[20:16] <stgraber> well, not even a line, one character patch acutally
[20:16] <stgraber> s/acutally/actually/
[20:21] <ogra> cool
[20:21] <ogra> !
[20:22] <sbalneav> stgraber: What was the character?  # ? :)
[20:37] <stgraber> sbalneav: yeah
[20:37] <stgraber> ogra: I removed the info bubble too
[20:37] <stgraber> this one is a 4 char change :)
[20:37] <stgraber> FALSE -> TRUE
[20:40] <stgraber> and I'm removing the no config file warning too (the first window you see when opening the teacher part)