| nosrednaekim | I suppose Riddell is too busy planning the future of kubuntu to deliver me my latest KDE4 fix ;-) | 00:40 |
|---|---|---|
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: Riddell is out at the pub | 01:00 |
| nosrednaekim | having a Boston Tea party ?;) | 01:00 |
| jjesse | something like that | 01:00 |
| jjesse | is it bad if there is water in the hallway of the floor your room is in? | 01:02 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: depends, are you below sea level? | 01:03 |
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: nope above see level | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | hopefully they dont end up eating seafood dinner again | 01:04 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: then you are good I guess... no worries ;) | 01:05 |
| jjesse | i'm also on the 5th floor, but there is still water outside :) | 01:05 |
| Jucato | oh jjesse is good... really good... | 01:06 |
| * Jucato stretches and yawns... | 01:06 | |
| jjesse | Jucato: still booting up? | 01:06 |
| Jucato | g'evening | 01:06 |
| Jucato | yeah... :) | 01:06 |
| claydoh | ping: Jucato | 01:10 |
| claydoh | apologies to you | 01:10 |
| Jucato | no worries :) | 01:10 |
| * claydoh is relieved | 01:10 | |
| Jucato | :P | 01:10 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: hey | 01:11 |
| coreymon77 | sup? | 01:11 |
| Jucato | just woke up.. that's what :) | 01:12 |
| coreymon77 | :P | 01:13 |
| * Hobbsee blip | 01:13 | |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: I hear you are giving up on kubuntu... | 01:14 |
| nosrednaekim | ;-) | 01:14 |
| Jucato | hm? | 01:14 |
| nosrednaekim | or did I read that wrong? | 01:14 |
| Jucato | moin Hobbsee | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 01:14 |
| Jucato | depends on where/who you heard it from, and what you heard | 01:15 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: what? | 01:15 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: you? | 01:15 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: but you cant!!! | 01:15 |
| * Jucato can't confirm or deny... needsinfo | 01:15 | |
| * Hobbsee too | 01:16 | |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: what? | 01:16 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: im confused | 01:16 |
| Jucato | I can't confirm what nosrednaekim said/asked... because I'm not sure of the details | 01:16 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: are you even thinking about giving up on kubuntu? | 01:16 |
| Jucato | that and my brain is still booting up | 01:16 |
| nosrednaekim | haha... I just "misread" your blog post that was syndicated on planet.kde | 01:17 |
| * Hobbsee whistles | 01:17 | |
| Hobbsee | yes, keep grilling Jucato | 01:17 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: what are you talking about | 01:17 |
| * Jucato whistles too | 01:17 | |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: :@:@:@:@:@:@ | 01:17 |
| * coreymon77 is pissed at nosrednaekim | 01:18 | |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: last paragraph? | 01:18 |
| Jucato | how could you misread that? | 01:18 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: when can we grill you? :) | 01:18 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: next time, think about what youre gonna say before you say it | 01:19 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: btw, you just woke up | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: never :) | 01:19 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: and the first thing you do is go on irc? | 01:19 |
| claydoh | isn't that what we all do ? | 01:19 |
| Jucato | no. actually I was already awake for more than 15 minutes before I turned on the PC... then checked mail and feeds first, before going online :) | 01:19 |
| nosrednaekim | I'm kidding!!!! | 01:19 |
| nosrednaekim | and i'm very laggy right now.. | 01:20 |
| nosrednaekim | sorry! | 01:20 |
| Jucato | you're not joking about being laggy.. | 01:20 |
| Jucato | (still no ping reply) | 01:21 |
| Jucato | [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from nosrednaekim: 130 seconds. | 01:22 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: hmm... does she have upload rights to Debian? | 01:22 |
| * ryanakca wonders if Debian grills their want-to-be-maintainers before letting them in | 01:23 | |
| Hobbsee | uh, yes | 01:23 |
| coreymon77 | wow | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | have you never heard of am and such? | 01:23 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: 40 seconds | 01:23 |
| ryanakca | nope :P | 01:23 |
| Jucato | they grill them a lot more than ubuntu does I believe :) | 01:23 |
| ryanakca | other than AM radio... | 01:23 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 01:23 |
| Jucato | Ante Meridian... | 01:25 |
| coreymon77 | holy cow | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim is 40 seconds lag | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: why so laggy | 01:26 |
| jjesse | stop downloading the p)rn | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | lol | 01:26 |
| nosrednaekim | 26K dial-up + a brother who is downloading | 01:28 |
| Jucato | yikes! | 01:28 |
| nosrednaekim | = laggggg | 01:29 |
| Jucato | I can't imagine surviving on dial up anymore... | 01:29 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah...... sorry about the confusion too :P | 01:30 |
| nosrednaekim | its hard... when I go to my brother's university I have fun! +) | 01:32 |
| Jucato | hm.. is the kdesudo bug fix already in the main repos? | 01:34 |
| jjesse | wow almost odne w/ building kde4 on my laptop :) | 02:16 |
| dasKreech | New ATI Linux drivers outperform Windows ones :) | 02:16 |
| Jucato | yay | 02:16 |
| Jucato | yay | 02:16 |
| Jucato | um.. I don't use ATI... boo! | 02:17 |
| jjesse | me either | 02:17 |
| jjesse | use nviida | 02:17 |
| Jucato | ditto | 02:18 |
| dasKreech | have they ever outperformed Windows? | 02:19 |
| nixternal | OK, I take back everything I ever said about Compiz and KDE | 02:26 |
| nixternal | it sucks on openSUSE, Fedora, and Kubuntu | 02:26 |
| Jucato | :) | 02:27 |
| Jucato | mandriva? | 02:27 |
| * Jucato runs | 02:27 | |
| Jucato | hi nixternal!!! | 02:27 |
| nixternal | to lazy to download all of them cds | 02:28 |
| nixternal | howdy | 02:28 |
| nixternal | Compiz works when it wants to | 02:28 |
| nixternal | it doesn't play nice on startup all of the time either | 02:28 |
| Jucato | kompmgr ftw! hheheh | 02:28 |
| nixternal | I do have to say though, the people who developed it, are brilliant though | 02:29 |
| nixternal | I was just looking at everything, and it couldn't have been easy | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | works fine on gnome, i'm afraid. | 02:30 |
| dasKreech | kwin4 ftw! | 02:30 |
| dasKreech | wait | 02:30 |
| dasKreech | kwin-4 ? | 02:30 |
| Jucato | it was made with gnome in mind :) | 02:31 |
| nixternal | that it was | 02:31 |
| nixternal | I will say that KDE 4 with composite runs better though for KDE | 02:31 |
| nixternal | and while I am harping, let me harp on ODBC in Linux...need I say more? | 02:34 |
| Jucato | sure. I get my turn in a few days :) | 02:34 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:34 |
| nixternal | I can sit there and sling commands at an Access DB using isql all day long, but as soon as I try it with ODBC, it is a no go | 02:35 |
| * Jucato will not tell nixternal that he knows nothing about db's :) | 02:36 | |
| dasKreech | Whats LUKS? | 02:40 |
| dasKreech | do we ship with it? | 02:40 |
| dasKreech | I did access ODBC | 02:40 |
| dasKreech | it's not a out of the box solution | 02:40 |
| Jucato | nixternal: any news on beta4? | 02:41 |
| nixternal | haven't had a chance to work on it much tonight | 02:44 |
| Jucato | no problem. understandable. we're at UDS... | 02:44 |
| Jucato | darn KDE guys couldn't wait after UDS! | 02:44 |
| * Jucato sighs... | 02:51 | |
| Riddell | !deb | 02:52 |
| ubotu | deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu) | 02:52 |
| Riddell | that needs updated by someone who knows how | 02:52 |
| nixternal | interesting...I didn't setup Compiz to autostart with KDE, but it is :/ | 02:53 |
| nixternal | Riddell: Hobbsee keeps taking my editor powers away | 02:54 |
| nixternal | :D | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | what do you want it set to? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | %editors | 02:54 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you can change it, you are an editor :) | 02:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I "may" change it, doesn't mean I can | 02:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:55 |
| jjesse | interseting in my kde4 build on my laptop i can't switch users or logout, any one else having problems? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: juct click on it in Kubuntu | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | that's what i thought | 02:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: that depends on what kdm you're using | 02:55 |
| Riddell | well, logout shouldn't | 02:55 |
| jjesse | Riddell: kdm with gutsy? | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | Riddell: update it yourself :) | 02:57 |
| Jucato | !no deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. | 02:57 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that Jucato | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | There we go :) | 02:57 |
| Jucato | !deb | 02:57 |
| ubotu | deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | !snack | Jucato | 02:58 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:58 |
| dasKreech | !helpersnack | Jucato | 02:58 |
| ubotu | Jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 02:58 |
| Jucato | :/ | 02:58 |
| jjesse | Riddell: sorry for being stupid, but my problem w/ logging out and switching user is because of the version of kdm i'm using? | 02:59 |
| * Jucato chuckles at how some people in #kubuntu answer "how to install <package|s>".... | 03:00 | |
| dasKreech | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=898&num=1 | 03:00 |
| Jucato | Answer: "sudo apt-get install synaptic" | 03:00 |
| dasKreech | Yep | 03:00 |
| dasKreech | at least 40% of the time | 03:00 |
| dasKreech | another 35% is NEVER USE ADEPT apt-get/aptitude | 03:00 |
| * dasKreech likes Adept | 03:00 | |
| * dasKreech grumbles | 03:01 | |
| dasKreech | Sweet new Cd is out | 03:01 |
| * Jucato tries to count the number of comments, just about the name "Okteta" | 03:03 | |
| nixternal | don't you just love when compiz crashes your machine, even when you tell it not to load? | 03:09 |
| nixternal | if we want Compiz in Hardy, we have a lot of work to do unfortunately | 03:09 |
| Jucato | lovely :) | 03:09 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:09 |
| nixternal | I am sitting in tty1 right now | 03:09 |
| * dasKreech still wonders why we want compiz | 03:09 | |
| * nixternal too | 03:10 | |
| nixternal | but then again, the users are the ones who want it | 03:10 |
| nixternal | they are the most important! | 03:10 |
| Jucato | because it's a spec to catch up to gutsy features? | 03:10 |
| jjesse | the spec we talked about today? | 03:10 |
| dasKreech | they have a package | 03:10 |
| Jucato | hardy catchup | 03:10 |
| dasKreech | let em install it | 03:10 |
| dasKreech | so we are stripping compiz? | 03:11 |
| Jucato | I can think of a compromise. we can make it easy for them to install compiz.. but we have to tell them that Compiz-KDE integration sucks... so we can't really support it much.. then forward them to #compiz-fusion :P | 03:11 |
| * Jucato is eeevil | 03:11 | |
| dasKreech | I concur | 03:13 |
| jjesse | so any idea on how to resolve my prolblem w/ kdm and login? | 03:27 |
| jjesse | also is kdm the reason the panel still shows along w/ the kde4 panel? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | dasKreech: because compiz is kinda cool | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | dasKreech: and doesnt appear to drain resources | 03:46 |
| dasKreech | And we are dumping it the release after that? | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | why would we? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | compiz-kde is easy to install | 03:47 |
| dasKreech | cause Kwin ships with compositing in KDE4? | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | dunno | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | people might want compiz, for some strange reason | 03:49 |
| dasKreech | sure | 03:51 |
| dasKreech | I have no issues with that :) | 03:51 |
| dasKreech | make it easy to install | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | and, the cube is cool | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | and the zoom can be quite useful - there's actually no real way to easily zoom in in kde, at all | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | which is unhelpful, when you zoom an image, and it becomse massively pixelated | 03:53 |
| yuriy | dasKreech: that's the idea, make it easy to install and have it actually work, not have it by default | 03:57 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: are you at UDS? | 03:58 |
| dasKreech | ah | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: nope | 03:58 |
| dasKreech | anyone following the Gobby at UDS ? | 03:58 |
| yuriy | dasKreech: or at least that's what i got out of today's meeting | 03:58 |
| dasKreech | Does that mean we maintain compiz-kde ? | 03:58 |
| yuriy | not sure, and not sure who's "we" | 03:59 |
| dasKreech | Kubuntu | 04:03 |
| yuriy | not sure. the results of the BoF seemed a bit wishywashy to me, and the spec isn't written up yet (jr wrote down notes). overall not quite what i expected UDS to be like | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: the sessions differ a lot | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | dasKreech: no. technically, MOTU does. i think the compiz people end up maintaining it. | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: specs tend to only get written up at the end | 04:11 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: oh. i thought the whole point of the meetings was to flesh out the spec | 04:11 |
| yuriy | *had thought | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: sure, but the spec is a summary of what's been decided, pretty much | 04:14 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: #135084 seem been fixed, need upgrade the translation from LP, will we have a SRU | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | launchpad bug #135084 | 04:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135084 | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 04:20 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: we shall poke the correspond lang team to check their translation | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | great :) | 04:21 |
| * Jucato sighs | 04:42 | |
| dasKreech | Sup Jucato ? | 04:43 |
| Jucato | nothing much. just like sighing a lot :) | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | he's contemplating publishing his blog post | 04:43 |
| Jucato | or actually finishing it :) | 04:43 |
| * Jucato is editing the first half... too long :D | 04:44 | |
| Jucato | has anyone ever been chased out of Kubuntu before? :) | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | no | 04:45 |
| Jucato | with pitchforks and torches? | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | i dont think so | 04:45 |
| Jucato | heheh :) | 04:45 |
| * dasKreech is working on it they just won't take the hint!!! | 04:47 | |
| Jucato | better work faster. I might overtake you | 04:48 |
| * dasKreech blocks Jucato's way with torches | 04:54 | |
| * Jucato skreeches.. | 04:54 | |
| Jucato | rawr... Google API for social networking? google's becoming scary :) | 04:55 |
| dasKreech | sorry what now? | 04:57 |
| dasKreech | who did they buy? | 04:57 |
| Jucato | no one | 04:57 |
| Jucato | their own API. although Google does own Orkut | 04:58 |
| dasKreech | Oh yeah | 04:59 |
| dasKreech | Isn't that more portugese networking ? | 04:59 |
| dasKreech | Oh lord | 04:59 |
| dasKreech | They dropped ODF | 04:59 |
| Jucato | who did? | 05:00 |
| dasKreech | the ODF | 05:00 |
| Jucato | ODF dropped ODF? | 05:00 |
| dasKreech | Yeah | 05:01 |
| dasKreech | They want to use CDF now | 05:01 |
| Jucato | O.o | 05:01 |
| Jucato | link please? | 05:01 |
| dasKreech | http://fussnotes.typepad.com/plexnex/2007/10/cdf-disrupting-.html | 05:02 |
| Jucato | hm... the OpenDocument Foundations isn't the "holder" of ODF though afaik | 05:04 |
| dasKreech | Yeah but it still sucks | 05:06 |
| Jucato | only if the OD Foundation has a majority hold over ODF development... we still haven't heard from the other major players... | 05:06 |
| dasKreech | It sucks :) | 05:08 |
| Jucato | :P | 05:11 |
| dasKreech | having multiple "standards" all based on the idea of interoperabilty sucks | 05:16 |
| Jucato | well as far as we're concerned, ODF is the only ISO standard... | 05:17 |
| dasKreech | Stupid w3c | 05:23 |
| dasKreech | Night | 05:49 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: almost finished :/ | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:04 |
| lovre | hi all | 07:04 |
| Jucato | hi | 07:04 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I just jinxed myself because of that.. lost my train of thought | 07:06 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: done :) | 08:07 |
| _StefanS_ | morning | 08:08 |
| Jucato | now to decide whether I should actually post it or not :) | 08:08 |
| Jucato | hi _StefanS_! | 08:08 |
| _StefanS_ | so how are you all doing ? :) | 08:08 |
| Jucato | semi-fine? :) | 08:08 |
| _StefanS_ | silence before hardy.. | 08:08 |
| _StefanS_ | or storm :D | 08:08 |
| * Jucato is brewing up a storm :) | 08:08 | |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yay! | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i say so. | 08:13 |
| Jucato | hahah | 08:13 |
| Jucato | I have taken blonting to a new level... | 08:14 |
| Jucato | oh well, here goes nothing and everything... | 08:15 |
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| freeflying | raphink: hi | 08:17 |
| raphink | hi freeflying | 08:18 |
| Jucato | hm... why doesn't the fridge's UDS report have the Kubuntu BoF? | 08:19 |
| Jucato | it was on Day 2 right? | 08:19 |
| * Jucato goes for a nap while waiting for the fallout :) | 08:26 | |
| freeflying | raphink: so long haven't seen you, how are you :) | 08:42 |
| _buz | is there a hardy wishlist somewhere? | 08:56 |
| raphink | I'm fine thanks freeflying | 09:01 |
| raphink | how about you? | 09:01 |
| freeflying | me too :) | 09:02 |
| raphink | ok :) | 09:02 |
| raphink | just quite a lot of work ;) | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: this, of course, relies on the canonical spec people accepting various specs | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: and not being focussed on getting kubuntu up to ubuntu | 09:13 |
| mhb | good morning | 09:50 |
| mhb | Jucato: I find your blog post a bit too abstract | 09:51 |
| mhb | Jucato: I can see what you mean by "becoming a KDE maintainers team", but not really what you mean by "separation" | 09:51 |
| mhb | which concepts, values or technical decisions of the Ubuntu distribution should we separate from? | 09:53 |
| mhb | surely not the stable release cycle, seeing as other projects (koffice) now benefits from our cycle | 09:54 |
| mhb | and I personally like the idea of having as few wizards and pop-ups as possible, I like things to work automagically without wizards | 09:54 |
| Jucato | mhb: sorry just woke up from a nap. I'll get back to you later... | 10:04 |
| * Jucato reboots brain | 10:04 | |
| Jucato | (usually takes a while...) | 10:04 |
| mhb | Jucato: and by the way, I have chosen Kubuntu as my distro of choice exactly because of the specialization on KDE. If we became a team like Fedora or Debian has, I would consider "moving on" to some other KDE-centric distro. | 10:14 |
| Jucato | mhb: I only put option 2 as a sort of.. um... slap in the face option? | 10:14 |
| Jucato | hm.. what was I typing again? | 10:14 |
| Jucato | I intentionally made the post a wee bit too abstract. so that people won't focus too much on technical details and probably miss the message. besides, the "separation" I was thinking about is also a bit more abstract than technical. we would still be using LP, we would still probably follow the release schedule (although we probably could be a bit loose on that one) | 10:15 |
| Nightrose | Jucato: nice post | 10:16 |
| Jucato | For example, on gutsy, we could have probably waited a bit longer, just to be able to immediately (and "officially") fix the kopete and kdesudo bugs | 10:17 |
| Jucato | Nightrose: thanks :) | 10:17 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 10:17 |
| Jucato | mhb: but I'm quite ok with the 6-month schedule... in fact sometimes I wish KDE released that predictably :) | 10:17 |
| mhb | hmm, you touched something I would like too, being less dependent on Ubuntu bureaucracy | 10:18 |
| * Jucato wonders where the idea about separating release schedules came up though... reading the comments | 10:18 | |
| mhb | well it's the first thing I thought when I read the word "separation" | 10:19 |
| Jucato | mhb: I guess I'm also trying to say is that we somehow stop hoping that Canonical would one day support us more. If sabdfl's answers were any indication, I think that's a done deal already | 10:19 |
| Jucato | hehe tbh, the schedule never came to my mind throughout the whole time I was thinking about this :) | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | we probably dont want to split the release cycle | 10:20 |
| mhb | no | 10:21 |
| mhb | we don't want to | 10:21 |
| Jucato | most probably not. but probably we could be a bit lenient... but that depends on the situation I guess | 10:21 |
| mhb | Jucato: actually, I think bugs like those two are blocked by two things | 10:21 |
| mhb | a) we don't have the rights to change something a some point | 10:22 |
| mhb | b) we don't have the professionals that would actually concentrate on fixing bugs | 10:22 |
| mhb | because fixing bugs isn't much fun | 10:22 |
| Jucato | but if you look at comment #1, that view about Kubuntu is somehow a bit prevalent with some users... even if you observe the way some users speak... even if you do !kubuntu right now | 10:22 |
| Jucato | yeah... but for example, with the Kopete bug, Riddel already had the fix just within a day or so... but we weren't able to upload it... users had to resort to manually installing the .deb | 10:23 |
| mhb | fixing bugs need dedicated Q&A, and we'd need paid devs or really crazy (and skilled) enthusiasts | 10:23 |
| Jucato | and 64-bit users were left out. | 10:23 |
| Jucato | probably even the kmilo bug? :) | 10:25 |
| Jucato | btw mhb, just to warn you (sort of), I saw someone giving an unofficial fix to that kmilo bug... which basically involved downloading feisty's kmilo,extracting it, and manually copying/overwriting the files | 10:25 |
| Jucato | just to fix the 0% - 11% bug... | 10:25 |
| mhb | Jucato: why warn me? | 10:26 |
| Jucato | er.. inform you I mean... | 10:26 |
| Jucato | there's a fix already right? | 10:26 |
| Jucato | I mean a patch? | 10:26 |
| mhb | I'm not really sure | 10:26 |
| Jucato | oh I thought the bug was assigned to you. my bad. | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | what kmilo bug? | 10:27 |
| * Jucato searches for the bug # | 10:27 | |
| Jucato | "imho, it is more important to implement new hardy features for Kubuntu than implement all missing features (catchup) from previous releases." -- from Lure... I agree with that... although I couldn't understand what he meant in the 2nd sentence :) | 10:28 |
| Jucato | (From https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup btw) | 10:29 |
| mhb | I think the second one was the exact opposite of the 1st | 10:29 |
| mhb | which puzzled me | 10:29 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/127082 | 10:29 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127082 in kdeutils "Kmilo doesn't properly adjust volume" [Undecided,New] | 10:29 |
| Jucato | dunno if this is a duplicate bug, but seems related based on the comments: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723 | 10:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118723 in kdeutils "KMilo/Volume Hotkeys regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:30 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: do you remember if the default Ubuntu install has pre-defined folderse in $HOME? | 10:32 |
| mhb | Jucato: actually, there is a couple of distributions that branch off from Debian and Ubuntu and use KDE - but because of the fact that nobody is at sync with KDE, why don't we join forces and do all the maintaining within Debian Unstable (or whichever we branch from) ? | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it does | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: apparently there are still a few kubuntu-specific patches - but we do, at least somewhat | 10:32 |
| Jucato | ah | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | would be really nice to have the rosetta export patches in debian, where they do nothing, then sync. | 10:33 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I haven't understood the last sentence | 10:33 |
| mhb | rosetta? Isn't that the translation tool? Who is "they"? | 10:34 |
| Jucato | dddddddddddddddd | 10:34 |
| Jucato | ooops. sorry... | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: we cant sync a lot of debian's stuff into our main, as we do extraction to rosetta in ubuntu | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | so that patch means we cant sync | 10:35 |
| Jucato | ah rosetta :) | 10:35 |
| mhb | that sounds like a job for a fairly smart import tool | 10:37 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: isn't there a pattern which could be used to do such task automagically? | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: no idea, tbh | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | i dont follow translations :) | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | although i did have my ubuntu in german for a bit | 10:38 |
| Jucato | translations was one of the topics raised in FOSSCamp right? maybe there are good news? | 10:39 |
| * Jucato is sure mhb loved the FOSSCamp "decision" about package management :D | 10:39 | |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: you might want to comment on there that you cnat do anything about canonical supporting kubuntu more - that it's the wrong place to petition mark to do so | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: also, you might want to correct the perception that Riddell is actually a gtk/gnome dev | 10:42 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: doing that already | 10:42 |
| Jucato | Anything else? :) | 10:45 |
| Jucato | (that you want me to reply to?) | 10:45 |
| mhb | Jucato: decision? All I heard is that they looked at packagekit and liked it | 10:46 |
| Jucato | and considering it | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: that changing the release cycle isnt really feasible. | 10:48 |
| Jucato | already done :) | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | hm. | 10:48 |
| Jucato | just waiting to hit Reply | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | how many people there are working actively on kubuntu, in development roles | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | 1 full time, and maybe...6 in their spare time? 8? i'm not sure | 10:48 |
| Jucato | about that much.. +1 now that jpatrick's back perhaps | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, but the point is for when they bash gutsy, to realise just how many people were in it | 10:49 |
| Jucato | hopefully new blood will be coming in. remember those guys who sprouted after openweek? | 10:49 |
| Jucato | they don't know that. I've encountered users who thought we have a number of paid devs because we're officially supported by Canonical | 10:50 |
| Jucato | (of course I had to explain it to them and they were very understanding after that) | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | hopefully | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | but we do need to actively recruit them | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | yes, hence they need education :) | 11:01 |
| mhb | new blood is hard to find these days | 11:05 |
| Jucato_ | we need vampires to suck new blood :) | 11:07 |
| mhb | that is my idea of having a central place for KDE Debian-Derivatives package maintaining | 11:08 |
| mhb | we could suck the juice of Debian, Kubuntu, Freespire and many other maintainers | 11:08 |
| Lure | Jucato: ? | 11:09 |
| * Lure reads lot's of trace back | 11:09 | |
| Jucato_ | Lure: your comment in the Catchup spec | 11:10 |
| Lure | Jucato_: I just wanted to point out that just being in catchup mode is not right approach - we should focus rather on hardy as-is, therefore checking what Ubuntu is doing, and deciding what it makes sense to implement and what not | 11:24 |
| Lure | Jucato_: rather than spending all the effort implementing features from gutsy (like compiz by default...) | 11:25 |
| Jucato_ | I see | 11:25 |
| * Lure now goes to planet to see "the post" from Jucato ;-) | 11:26 | |
| Jucato_ | uh oh :) | 11:26 |
| Jucato_ | hm... are we prepared to maintain D3lphin ourselves btw? or does anyone have any news upstream? | 11:30 |
| manchicken | Is it just me or does kwin's window focus suck lately? | 11:37 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 11:39 |
| Jucato_ | moin | 11:39 |
| Jucato_ | nooo!! suddenly I'm craving for mt.dew again! ncurses! | 11:39 |
| manchicken | xbrb | 11:43 |
| Jucato_ | new X app? :) | 11:43 |
| manchicken | So does anybody maintain Karm currently? | 11:57 |
| manchicken | I really hope it's going to be in KDE4, too. | 11:57 |
| Lure | Jucato_: commented on blog | 11:59 |
| mhb | Lure: by the way, I'm not sure if you're up with the most recent developments on the web site thing, we will soon be replacing the current site with a Drupal install, which will allow a) much easier collaboration (edit rights for more than just jr) b) a nicer theme. | 12:06 |
| mhb | Lure: we're blocked on Canonical sysadmins now | 12:06 |
| Lure | mhb: ;-) on new web site, :-( on being blocked on canonical again... | 12:06 |
| Lure | mhb: are you driving this effort? | 12:07 |
| mhb | Lure: in a way, ryanakca did a lot of improvements on the theme, though. | 12:08 |
| mhb | Lure: the C. sysadmins were busy with the Ubuntu release and they now take care of the UDS | 12:08 |
| Lure | mhb: great to see this moving! | 12:08 |
| Lure | mhb: yeah, I know they are very busy right now | 12:09 |
| Lure | mhb: if we had such web page for so long, some additional weeks will not make it much worse ;-) | 12:09 |
| mhb | Lure: once UDS ends I hope they'll set the Drupal for us | 12:09 |
| mhb | yeah .o) | 12:09 |
| Lure | mhb: they have all-hands after uds, so you should probably count another week | 12:10 |
| Jucato | Lure: thanks for the comment | 12:30 |
| Jucato | mhb: I'm excited to see what the new website will look like :) | 12:30 |
| mhb | Jucato: me too :o) | 12:32 |
| Jucato | yay clown :) | 12:32 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee_ (with a tail) | 12:34 |
| === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:35 |
| * Hobbsee upgrades to hardy | 12:35 | |
| * Jucato wonders... | 12:35 | |
| Jucato | perhaps I should upgrade vbox as well... | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | dunno if it's even functional yet | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | and i dont know how to debug gnome stuff | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | so it might be a bit interesting :) | 12:36 |
| Jucato | haha ok.. | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | 524kbps down. nice. | 12:37 |
| * Jucato wonders why there's some considerable amount of delay when starting software-properties-kde from Adept | 12:38 | |
| Hobbsee | dunno. dindt use it :) | 12:38 |
| Jucato | :P | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | i'm sad to say it, but after this week, there's really no reason i need to use kubuntu | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | !ping | 12:41 |
| ubotu | pong | 12:41 |
| * Jucato sobs | 12:41 | |
| nosrednaekim | none of us NEED to use it, we just like to :D | 12:42 |
| Jucato | nah. I need KDE at least... otherwise I'll implode | 12:42 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 12:43 |
| * Jucato waves to nixternal | 12:43 | |
| Jucato | top of the morning to yah | 12:43 |
| nixternal | ahh, luck o the irish i see | 12:44 |
| Jucato | :D | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | appears to work. havent rebooted yet | 12:44 |
| Jucato | upgrading vbox... easy enough to revert :D | 12:45 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: it works, at least for Kubuntu it did | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | it's saying i dont even need to reboot | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | i probably should, though | 12:46 |
| Jucato_ | it only says that if there's a new kernel right? doesn't seem to be a new one here yet... | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | correct | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | i wish there was :0 | 12:48 |
| _buz | the main reason i'd like to see a new kernel isnt fixed in upstream 2.6.23 either | 12:48 |
| _buz | i'm still only getting one core after resume from suspend | 12:49 |
| Jucato | some offtopic spam for your reading pleasuer :) http://www.kittyhell.com/2007/07/19/hello-kitty-armoured-personnel-carrier/ | 12:49 |
| * Hobbsee wants .24 | 12:50 | |
| Hobbsee | drivers in kernel == so good! | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | no more caring about l-r-m being late, and no wifi. | 12:50 |
| _buz | will .24 feature ipw drivers? | 12:51 |
| Jucato | they're already built-in? thought that was what ubuntu-restricted-modules was for? | 12:51 |
| _buz | compiling ipw drivers by hand is a major PITA | 12:51 |
| nixternal | woohoo...I have school tonight!!!! | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | _buz: iwl drivers, i expect | 12:52 |
| Jucato | and that's good? O.o | 12:52 |
| _buz | Hobbsee: well i dont care what drivers, as long as they work with my ipw3945 :) | 12:52 |
| nixternal | ya, that means I don't have to hand out candy to them little trick-or-treaters! | 12:52 |
| nixternal | but that also means I need to setup my cam and broadcast over the internet, so when they go to egg my house, i know who did it | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: they're already in l-u-m, which drags behind a bit on dev releases. when they'[re in the kernel itself, it'll all be at once. | 12:53 |
| Jucato | ah l-u-m... ok... | 12:53 |
| === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| Riddell | why do people think that sending me an e-mail in spanish will get them CDs? | 13:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 13:32 |
| jjesse_ | because you are in charge of everything and know evyerthing | 13:32 |
| Riddell | jjesse_: I think we should keep a distance from kwwii today | 13:33 |
| jjesse_ | Riddell: Yeah? he having a bad day? | 13:33 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 13:33 |
| nixternal | [ Riddell] jjesse_: I think we should keep a distance from kwwii today | 13:34 |
| nixternal | just today? should you try and keep a distance from him every day? :p | 13:34 |
| nixternal | s/should/shouldn't | 13:35 |
| jjesse_ | nixternal: kwwii is especially cursing his laptop today | 13:35 |
| nixternal | I was cursing mine last night with the compiz mess | 13:35 |
| nixternal | I sat here and watched compiz slowly eat away at my memory | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | compiz-kde? | 13:35 |
| nixternal | to the point that a c/p would crash it | 13:35 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: yes | 13:35 |
| jjesse_ | apparently networkmanager is not seeing his network card | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. it really does suck | 13:35 |
| nixternal | I guess I have been lucky with everything else....Kubuntu has worked 100% with this laptop, even during the dev cycles...only until I messed with compiz-kde on it | 13:36 |
| mendred | nixternal :wots ur graphic card? | 13:37 |
| nixternal | Intel | 13:37 |
| nixternal | it has worked flawlessly in the past | 13:37 |
| nixternal | but last night for some reason, don't know if it was a plugin I enabled or what, it just started eating memory | 13:37 |
| mendred | nixternal: strange cause by all reports..compiz works best on the intel ones... | 13:37 |
| nixternal | mendred: and I will second that | 13:37 |
| _buz | mendred: that's true. but that's only saying it's even WORSE on others | 13:38 |
| Jucato | nixternal: you probably enabled the jucato-plugin | 13:38 |
| nixternal | it wasn't a graphics hardware issue, it is a KDE and Compiz issue | 13:38 |
| nixternal | Jucato: your post sure brought out the best in some, that's for sure | 13:38 |
| nixternal | there was a comment I really liked that I never thought of before | 13:38 |
| mendred | _buz: running on my laptop with radeon igp 340 with KDE runs pretty smoothly | 13:38 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| nixternal | let me find it really quick before I head off to school | 13:38 |
| Jucato | jjesse_: internet problems? :( | 13:38 |
| _buz | i have weird issues on my intel card | 13:38 |
| mendred | _buz: but yeah heavy tweaks on the xorg.conf | 13:38 |
| Jucato | nixternal: heheh I was hoping it would start a discussion... and was prepared to also bring in the worst :) | 13:39 |
| jjesse | Jucato: evening btw | 13:39 |
| Riddell | he's also spreading deadly diseases today | 13:39 |
| jjesse | sur i guess | 13:39 |
| nixternal | What I find amazing is how *good* Kubuntu still manages to be despite next to no support from Canonical. If that’s not a testament to the power of the KDE infrastructure, I don’t know what is… | 13:39 |
| Jucato | jjesse: good morning! :) | 13:39 |
| _buz | nixternal: i agree | 13:39 |
| nixternal | Jucato: ^^ that is the comment | 13:39 |
| Jucato | nixternal: yeah that one's a great comment :) | 13:39 |
| mendred | nixternal: yup..kubuntu is fast | 13:39 |
| _buz | (even though i dont agree on some design decisions, like d3lphin) | 13:39 |
| mendred | and this is an ancient laptop by any stds | 13:40 |
| nixternal | I really never thought of it like that, and that is a great complement | 13:40 |
| Jucato | nixternal: but "*buntus suck. Try a real distro like OpenSUSE or Fedora." is better don'tyou think? Hehehe | 13:40 |
| nixternal | Fedora and KDE is like...I don't even know how to explain it...but openSUSE is good | 13:40 |
| Jucato | hehe now get to class :P | 13:41 |
| Jucato | so that I could disturb you there :D | 13:41 |
| nixternal | for me, there is nothing that tops Kubuntu...it works for me 100%, I can do my work w/o any problems, and I know to hack it if need be | 13:41 |
| nixternal | plus, can you name another distribution where the lead developer wears a kilt with no undies? :p | 13:41 |
| mendred | anyways regarding the kde4 packages for kubuntu.is there a repo where i can get amarok2 and koffice2 packages? | 13:42 |
| Jucato | hm.. I just remembered, who's responsible for implementing this separate Context Toolbar? http://jucato.org/stuff/context.png | 13:42 |
| _buz | real distro's dont use RPM | 13:42 |
| jjesse | you are :) | 13:42 |
| Jucato | nixternal: omg!!! how did you know he didn't have undies?!?! | 13:42 |
| _buz | so opensuse is out of question | 13:42 |
| nixternal | Jucato: news flies! | 13:42 |
| Jucato | whoever's responsible for that Context Toolbar, I'd like to thank him :) | 13:42 |
| Jucato | (and hope upstream KDE will get that separation soon) | 13:43 |
| * nixternal doesn't use no stinkin' toolbars....keyboard shortcuts FTW! | 13:43 | |
| Jucato | :) | 13:43 |
| _buz | i dont have that context toolbar thingy in gutsy? | 13:44 |
| * nixternal goes to school...cya in a bit | 13:44 | |
| _buz | for me, kubuntu 5.04 beta was the first distro i could ever work with and i stuck around ;) | 13:44 |
| _buz | (tho first time i tried linux was in 2000 or so, on suse) | 13:45 |
| _buz | no, that's wrong, 1998 | 13:45 |
| Jucato | _buz: that's on a fresh install of gutsy (vbox) | 13:45 |
| _buz | abd being able to use kubuntu to work is saying a lot coming from someone who has been using freebsd for 6 years on servers ;) | 13:46 |
| _buz | Jucato: could be related to the fact that i got rid of that stupid distinction between web and filemanager | 13:47 |
| Jucato | that only appears if you're viewing a kpart (embedded viewer) | 13:47 |
| _buz | ah ok | 13:47 |
| _buz | yeah | 13:48 |
| _buz | i never noticed that i used that ;) | 13:48 |
| Jucato | it's something definitely new | 13:48 |
| Jucato | for me at least | 13:48 |
| _buz | i'm pretty sure we had that in feisty, as well | 13:49 |
| Jucato | pretty sure it wasn't | 13:49 |
| * Jucato has been thinking/wishing for something like that back then | 13:50 | |
| _buz | could be wrong though, i switched go gutsy quite early | 13:50 |
| mendred | *sigh* i guess the answer is no | 13:50 |
| Jucato | mendred: yeah. most probably you'll have to compile for yourself | 13:51 |
| Jucato | at this point at least | 13:51 |
| _buz | nixternal mentioned something about working on packages last night | 13:51 |
| Hobbsee | an old versoin of amarok is in the repos | 13:51 |
| _buz | maybe not amarok though | 13:51 |
| Hobbsee | amarok's not hard to compile from svn | 13:52 |
| mendred | Hobbsee: yeah i know..but this laptop takes forever to compile anything..so would like to avoid it as much as possible.. | 13:53 |
| _buz | but speaking of it, opensuse already has kde4beta4 packages :P | 13:53 |
| Hobbsee | and they have how many developers? | 13:53 |
| Hobbsee | feel free to help, anyway :) | 13:53 |
| manchicken | neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed coffee.... | 13:53 |
| _buz | Hobbsee: i tried compiling it last week | 13:53 |
| mendred | but yes if unavoidable will do it myself.. | 13:53 |
| _buz | didnt manage to, so not much help ;) | 13:53 |
| manchicken | Sooooooooooo tired. | 13:54 |
| Jucato | !devsnack | manchicken | 13:55 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about devsnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:55 |
| Jucato | bah | 13:55 |
| Nightrose | for those who want to build amarok2: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2.0_Development_HowTo - but it is under heavy development still | 13:55 |
| Jucato | !developersnack | 13:55 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about developersnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:55 |
| Jucato | sheesh! | 13:55 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Howdy :) | 13:55 |
| mendred | Nightrose: thanks | 13:55 |
| Nightrose | yw | 13:55 |
| * Jucato didn't have problems with building amarok from svn 3 weeks ago :) | 13:55 | |
| Hobbsee | hiya manchicken! | 13:55 |
| Jucato | just the plain cmakekde... | 13:55 |
| Jucato | manchicken needs some hugging and cookies :) | 13:56 |
| manchicken | And coffee........ | 13:56 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: well, ok, if you don't want me around | 13:56 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: huh? what? | 13:56 |
| * Jucato scratches his head | 13:56 | |
| jpatrick | [14:55:18] * you have joined this channel, [14:55:24] <Jucato> sheesh! | 13:57 |
| Jucato | lol! | 13:57 |
| jpatrick | ;) joke | 13:57 |
| Jucato | [21:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about developersnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:57 |
| Jucato | [21:55] <Jucato> sheesh! | 13:57 |
| jpatrick | ^^ | 13:57 |
| Jucato | @_@ | 13:58 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: nice blog post | 14:02 |
| Jucato | thanks | 14:02 |
| emonkey-p | I've tried to compile kde4pimlibs and got this error: | 14:03 |
| emonkey-p | kde4@pegasus:~/kde/src/KDE/kdepimlibs$ cmakekde | 14:03 |
| emonkey-p | CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config | 14:03 |
| emonkey-p | -- Configuring done | 14:03 |
| emonkey-p | any idea? | 14:03 |
| emonkey-p | I've did everything like it's written here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs | 14:04 |
| jpatrick | patrick@kamino:~$ dpkg -S kde4-config | 14:04 |
| jpatrick | kdelibs5: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kde4-config | 14:04 |
| Jucato | hm.. confusing Kubuntu packages w/ SVN source? :) | 14:05 |
| jpatrick | it's that or you have to add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your PATH | 14:05 |
| Jucato | won't work... if he's following the SVN guide and compiling from scratch | 14:05 |
| emonkey-p | there is a file, so I've toadd it to the PATH | 14:05 |
| emonkey-p | I've done this special .bashrc things (cs etc.) | 14:06 |
| jpatrick | yes, I've seen that file | 14:06 |
| emonkey-p | so I thought the PATH should be ok, but maybe I'm worng | 14:06 |
| emonkey-p | should I ask in a normal kde channel if I do it from scratch? | 14:07 |
| Jucato | wait... did you install kdelibs already? | 14:07 |
| Jucato | should be kdesupport -> kdelibs -> kdepimlibs -> kdebase | 14:07 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: you mean the libs from the beta 4 from the repo? yes I have | 14:07 |
| emonkey-p | s/4/3 | 14:07 |
| Jucato | hm... I don't quite understand what you're trying to do? you're compiling kdepimlibs from svn but used kde4libs from Kubuntu? | 14:08 |
| emonkey-p | no I already compiled kdelibs from svn | 14:08 |
| emonkey-p | but the beta3 are installed before, maybe that's a problem? | 14:08 |
| emonkey-p | the beta 3 is from the gutsy repo | 14:08 |
| Jucato | hm... maybe... but the .bashrc variables should have taken care of that... | 14:09 |
| Jucato | if you copied the .bashrc from techbase exactly as it is | 14:09 |
| emonkey-p | I've added the new .bashrc at the end of the old bashrc, should I replace it? | 14:09 |
| Jucato | no. just add | 14:10 |
| emonkey-p | maybe there was a problem compiling the kdelibs, is there a possibility to check if it's ok? I've seen only warnings on output but I haven't checked a logfile or something like that | 14:11 |
| bddebian | Heya | 14:12 |
| emonkey-p | The problem is I've to make a speech at the *buntu Release Party in our country about kde4. And I think I should have something more to show than only the beta 3. | 14:13 |
| emonkey-p | The party is on the 10th so there is a bit more time to do it. | 14:14 |
| tobias_ | emonkey: I can't even get to the KDE code from here:-( SVN is blocked. | 14:14 |
| jjesse | i built all from svn last night w/ no problems | 14:14 |
| tobias_ | jjesse: I actually build kde4 a couple of times, but for some reason it never starts up properly. | 14:15 |
| tobias_ | The kde4 debs from Riddel work fine. | 14:16 |
| emonkey-p | the config is here but it looks like the PATH is not set properly : http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/16607 | 14:17 |
| jpatrick | emonkey-p: add /usr/lib/kde4/bin | 14:17 |
| emonkey-p | ok | 14:19 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: I'm afraid that will conflict... | 14:20 |
| Jucato | he's compiling KDE 4 from SVN, following the techbase guide, which installs everything to /home/kde-devel/kde and uses that PATH for $KDEDIR. /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ is the location from Kubuntu packages... if his compilation has trouble finding the correct kde4-config, then there's something wrong from the start | 14:21 |
| Jucato | at least afaik | 14:21 |
| emonkey-p | I see... maybe I'll try everything again from beginning | 14:22 |
| Jucato | emonkey-p: without /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ from your path, type "which kde4-config" | 14:22 |
| jjesse | i followed the techbas3e article and the only problem i had was w/ lnusertmp | 14:23 |
| Jucato | jjesse: ditto (last month) | 14:23 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: no output | 14:23 |
| emonkey-p | ou mistyped mom | 14:23 |
| * Jucato sees kde4-config in his old /home/kde-devel/kde/bin/ | 14:24 | |
| emonkey-p | hm again no output | 14:24 |
| Jucato | no output? it should at least say "which: no kde4-config in...." | 14:24 |
| emonkey-p | just say nothing ツ | 14:24 |
| Jucato | echo $PATH | 14:24 |
| emonkey-p | $ echo $PATH | 14:25 |
| emonkey-p | /home/kde4/kde/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games | 14:25 |
| Jucato | what's your kde4 user's name? kde4? | 14:25 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: yes | 14:26 |
| Jucato | weird... "ls -l /home/kde4/kde/bin/kde4-config" | 14:27 |
| emonkey-p | $ ls /home/kde4/kde/ | 14:29 |
| emonkey-p | build src | 14:29 |
| Jucato | O.o | 14:29 |
| emonkey-p | there are only 2 directories, build and src, no bin | 14:29 |
| Jucato | well obviously kdelibs didn't compile and install :) | 14:29 |
| Jucato | neither did kdesupport | 14:30 |
| Jucato | did you compile and install kdesupport already? | 14:30 |
| emonkey-p | you mean the packages which are listed at the beginning of the HowTo? | 14:30 |
| emonkey-p | or just the cmakekde of kdelibs? | 14:31 |
| Jucato | no | 14:31 |
| Jucato | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdesupport | 14:31 |
| Jucato | no wonder kdelibs isn't there :) | 14:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: when you did the new packages, did you check for non-published fixes in bzr? | 14:32 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: but there is this sentence: There is no need to compile qt or kdesupport on kubuntu gutsy. All required packages are provided in these packages. Skip down to the kdelibs section and continue from there. | 14:32 |
| Jucato | hm... then something must have gone wrong with your kdelibs compile | 14:33 |
| emonkey-p | can I check that with grepping an log? | 14:33 |
| emonkey-p | s/an/a | 14:34 |
| * Hobbsee unassigns from a whole bunch of bugs. | 14:34 | |
| Jucato | dunno if there's a log for it | 14:34 |
| emonkey-p | k, I'll try it with compiling the kdesupport first. :9 | 14:34 |
| Jucato | well you can try recompiling kdelibs first :) | 14:35 |
| Jucato | and pay attention when it stops. you'll see if it finished or not | 14:36 |
| emonkey-p | ok, just do again the cmakekde in the kdelibs directory? | 14:37 |
| Jucato | in the src directory | 14:37 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: ping | 14:37 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: ok, thx for support I'll try it | 14:38 |
| emonkey-p | I'll split the output to a log file too | 14:40 |
| === _czessi is now known as Czessi | ||
| dasKreech | Jucato: wow | 14:44 |
| emonkey-p | Jucato: looks like you're right. after I did the cmakekde again it installed a bunch of things and the cmakekde of pimlibs is now running. thank you very much. | 14:44 |
| * tobias_ went through his bugreports on LP. | 14:50 | |
| manchicken | So, how french is a french press? | 14:50 |
| tobias_ | It is really depressing to see bugs still around that were reported over a year ago:-( | 14:51 |
| Hobbsee | bugs can be open for up to 10 years. is 1 year really that bad? :P | 14:51 |
| tobias_ | Some of the stuff was reported for dapper and is still in hardy:-( | 14:51 |
| Hobbsee | well, fix it. | 14:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: new packages? | 14:52 |
| tobias_ | I have fixed the stuff that bothers me and do not care about the rest. | 14:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kde 3.5.8 | 14:52 |
| Jucato | emonkey-p: glad to hear that. you're welcome :) | 14:58 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: wow | 14:58 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdemultimedia, for one - or kdegraphics | 15:00 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: probably not | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: didnt think so. i had a couple of patches sitting in there | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | would be nice if you could belatedly add them | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | to hardy, at elast | 15:06 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: Long post | 15:12 |
| Jucato | very :) | 15:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I will during merges yes | 15:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool | 15:18 |
| dasKreech | ersion is the convereter ? | 15:23 |
| dasKreech | yay vista | 15:24 |
| * dasKreech chases Jucato with a torch | 15:31 | |
| Jucato | :P | 15:31 |
| Jucato | I'm not here | 15:31 |
| dasKreech | Here go spread more light! | 15:31 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: did you pull jjesse's adept documentation ? | 15:34 |
| Jucato | yeah. but haven't really gotten around to reading it. only touched it a few times to make correct tagging errors | 15:35 |
| dasKreech | ok | 15:36 |
| dasKreech | if anyone understands debian packaging | 15:36 |
| dasKreech | is there anyway for the OO.o package to figure out your locale and dynamically install the right spellchecker ? | 15:36 |
| Riddell | the installer should do that | 15:37 |
| dasKreech | It doesn't | 15:38 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: that never occured to me before | 15:39 |
| dasKreech | Guess XFCE is still too young to attract rabidness | 15:40 |
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| Riddell | voila https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup | 16:35 |
| Riddell | comments welcome | 16:35 |
| jjesse | dasKreech: sorry missed | 16:38 |
| nixternal | Riddell: so for the Printer settings, we are going to make it look like the ones in the HPLIP Toolbox | 16:38 |
| nixternal | I can check that out and come up with a new .ui if that is what is being used | 16:38 |
| Riddell | it's a bit like that | 16:38 |
| Riddell | jjesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup proofreading needed | 16:39 |
| jjesse | Riddell: will get to it | 16:39 |
| nixternal | OK, heading to next class... Riddell, I wouldn't mind working with the printing project, not spear heading it though | 16:39 |
| nixternal | bbiab | 16:39 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you've seen seele's blog? | 16:41 |
| jjesse | which entry was that? | 16:42 |
| Jucato | http://weblog.obso1337.org/2007/kubuntu-printer-configuration-ui/ | 16:42 |
| * Riddell wonders who GabrielAmbuehl is | 16:43 | |
| _buz | me | 16:43 |
| * Jucato wonders what seele uses for wireframing.. | 16:43 | |
| Riddell | jjesse: visio | 16:43 |
| Jucato | oh | 16:43 |
| _buz | (feel free to remove the suggestion if you dont think it belongs there) | 16:43 |
| Riddell | _buz: what is LUKS? | 16:44 |
| _buz | encrypted block devices | 16:44 |
| _buz | http://luks.endorphin.org/dm-crypt | 16:44 |
| Jucato | _buz: you could also append the @SIG@ macro to your additions so that it could be identified as coming from you (in case youwant that) | 16:45 |
| _buz | Jucato: oh didnt know that one, will do so in the future ;) | 16:45 |
| _buz | use case: usb sticks etc | 16:45 |
| Riddell | _buz: and what is kryptomedia? | 16:45 |
| Jucato | no problem: | 16:45 |
| _buz | Riddell: a kde gui that asks user for passwords of encrypted removable drives | 16:46 |
| _buz | i think it comes from opensuse, originally | 16:46 |
| _buz | wait i second, did i past the wrong link ;) | 16:47 |
| _buz | no looks right ;) | 16:47 |
| Jucato | comment on the Codec installation: with Flash in Konqueror, currently it uses a different script and installs to the user's $HOME right? shouldn't it be done like Amarok/Kaffeine and use adept-batch to install flashplugin-nonfree? | 16:56 |
| Riddell | _buz: ok, I've tidied up your sentence about including that | 17:04 |
| === m-onkey is now known as emonkey-p | ||
| mhb | hello to you Americans and UDSers | 17:47 |
| mhb | Riddell: so you're going to do all the HardyCatchup work? | 17:49 |
| mhb | I think it's rather a HardCatchup task for one person | 17:50 |
| jpatrick | mhb: we are a team \o/ | 17:51 |
| jpatrick | I was thinking i could package the krytomanager thingy | 17:52 |
| Riddell | mhb: as little as possible :) | 18:06 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: go ahead, but the fiddly part might be to make and test the patch to mediamanager | 18:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: upstream has no version number, should I just call it 1.0? | 18:07 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: 0.0suseXX maybe | 18:09 |
| Riddell | where XX is whatever suse uses | 18:09 |
| jpatrick | ok | 18:10 |
| dasKreech | vista is scary | 18:10 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: do you have a disk to actually test it on? | 18:10 |
| jpatrick | no :) but I'm sure we can find someone | 18:11 |
| _buz | jpatrick: i'll test it | 18:14 |
| _buz | but i need go shopping first ;) | 18:14 |
| dasKreech | For disks? | 18:14 |
| _buz | i have both usb and normal disks encrypted with luks | 18:14 |
| jpatrick | _buz: excellent | 18:15 |
| _buz | but if i have to test it on real life hardy, ill have to install that first | 18:15 |
| _buz | if you patch gutsy i can test it in a matter of seconds | 18:16 |
| Nightrose | Riddell FYI about the /Music thing: Harald posted to our -dev mailinglist (don't know if you are subscribed) about it so expect some discussion - maybe a patch for kubuntu will not be necessary if we find a good solution | 18:16 |
| jpatrick | _buz: I'll try and have a test pkg for you by Friday | 18:16 |
| * Riddell reads http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok-devel/2007-October/000723.html | 18:19 | |
| jpatrick | go apachelogger! | 18:20 |
| Riddell | sounds good | 18:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: right, but you should do a lot of coding, because otherwise we're wasting your potential :o) | 18:21 |
| Riddell | mhb: oh I expect I will | 18:22 |
| mhb | but you should do what you like to, that's the rule of thumb | 18:23 |
| mhb | it might be interesting to patch Kaffeine so that it offers codec installation instead of the error message... | 18:24 |
| mhb | and still, Ubuntu does it so that it installs the codec first, then plays the file... | 18:24 |
| Riddell | mhb: are you still interested in a compiz kcontrol module? | 18:27 |
| mhb | indeed I am | 18:28 |
| mhb | Riddell: I've seen you have discussed this, did you talk to mvo about that? | 18:28 |
| Riddell | mhb: only that it should be much the same as Appearances capplet in gnome | 18:30 |
| mhb | that shouldn't be very hard | 18:30 |
| Riddell | no, it shouldn't | 18:30 |
| mhb | I already have some stub, I will look into that | 18:31 |
| Riddell | it should also offter to install compiz-kde through adept_batch i think | 18:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: I can do that frontend. | 18:32 |
| mhb | creating a compiz-kde package and packaging the ccsm KDE frontend can be done by someone else. | 18:33 |
| Riddell | compiz-kde exists | 18:34 |
| Riddell | there is no ccsm KDE frontend (and I don't think it's worth doing) | 18:34 |
| mhb | hmm. | 18:35 |
| mhb | so no "custom" effects in KDE? | 18:35 |
| Riddell | install ccsm if you want that | 18:35 |
| Riddell | it's not a core tool by any means | 18:35 |
| Riddell | and it's horrifically complex | 18:35 |
| mhb | okay | 18:36 |
| _buz | writing a gui for compiz seems pretty much waste of time, yes | 18:42 |
| Riddell | Lure|kde4: how's kde 4? | 18:44 |
| Lure|kde4 | Riddell: yep, playink with svn version | 18:44 |
| Lure|kde4 | playing even ;-) | 18:44 |
| Lure|kde4 | Riddell: system settings in kde4 does not have admin mode - is this kubuntu specific or just missing in kde4 version? | 18:50 |
| Riddell | Lure|kde4: it has been removed to be replaced with policykit. the problem is nobody seems to be implementing policykit | 18:51 |
| Riddell | (for kde 4) | 18:52 |
| Lure|kde4 | do we have policykit already in ubuntu? | 18:52 |
| Riddell | nope | 18:52 |
| Riddell | but it will be in hardy | 18:52 |
| Riddell | and packages are in debian experimental | 18:52 |
| * Lure|kde4 need to upgrade to hardy this weekend | 18:53 | |
| Riddell | hi garth_ | 18:53 |
| garth_ | hi Riddell | 18:54 |
| garth_ | and hi all :) | 18:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: so, how's kde 4 beta thing? | 18:54 |
| Riddell | hmm, lpia buildds | 18:56 |
| Riddell | for PPA | 18:56 |
| fdoving | so, anyone aware of a reverse phone number lookup website for mexico? - I have some guy calling me every day at the exact same time. | 19:03 |
| profoX` | scary | 19:03 |
| fdoving | more annoying. | 19:04 |
| fdoving | i'm oh the other side of the world, as long as he is calling from there i'll be calm :) | 19:04 |
| fdoving | /oh/on | 19:04 |
| dasKreech | You can redirect phonelines | 19:04 |
| Riddell | answer? | 19:07 |
| fdoving | Riddell: hangs up or silence. depends. i haven't waited for more than 1-2 min. | 19:08 |
| fdoving | it costs loads just to listed. | 19:08 |
| fdoving | it also leaves 20-30 sec random noise (phone in pocket/crowded room) on my voicemail if i don't answer. | 19:09 |
| fdoving | haven't tried calling back yet. | 19:09 |
| Riddell | why does it cost you to answer? | 19:09 |
| fdoving | good question. | 19:10 |
| fdoving | it probably doesn't. it's the other way around. when i'm out of my providers network. well :) | 19:11 |
| fdoving | i'll listen for a while longer next time then :) | 19:11 |
| seele | there was another ubiquity-usability session today? | 19:12 |
| dasKreech | arewe trying to catch up to Gutsy or hardy ? | 19:12 |
| dasKreech | hi Lure|kde4 | 19:12 |
| Lure|kde4 | hi dasKreech | 19:12 |
| jjesse | Riddell: enjoying the compiz converstation? | 19:17 |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | ||
| Riddell | jjesse: transparent file manager! | 19:19 |
| jjesse | impressive :) | 19:19 |
| Riddell | I can see the reviews now "Kubuntu 8.04 is way behind Ubuntu, the file manager is opaque" | 19:19 |
| jjesse | Riddell: i'll jsut tell them to wait tto kde 4 | 19:20 |
| jjesse | KDE4 will solve every problem | 19:20 |
| jjesse | !voip | 19:20 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about voip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 19:20 |
| jjesse | Riddell: hrm heading back to server discussion more intersting | 19:21 |
| dasKreech | jjesse: What did you miss? | 19:24 |
| jjesse | dasKreech: i think there was a pm from you about adept doc or something? | 19:25 |
| dasKreech | jjesse: no I ws talking to jucato about your adept documentation | 19:26 |
| jjesse | dasKreech: ah Jucato was going to work on reviewing it | 19:26 |
| dasKreech | Yeah | 19:32 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I have to start over on the KDE 4 stuff...I was looking through ktown, and the stuff I grabbed the other day wasn't complete...i.e. kdebase-runtime | 19:34 |
| manchicken | So are we ever going to put Basket support back into kontact? | 19:34 |
| manchicken | I'm lost without Basket... | 19:34 |
| jjesse | i thought basket no longer had a developer? | 19:34 |
| manchicken | I understand that many regard it as abandonware, but it still works, and works pretty well. | 19:35 |
| manchicken | I don't know if knotes has much active development either :) | 19:35 |
| nixternal | knotes just got a makeover for kde 4 | 19:36 |
| * nixternal would like to see a "tomboy" for kde | 19:36 | |
| Riddell | nixternal: where are you seeing this kdebase-runtime? | 19:36 |
| manchicken | I just want baskets back in kontact :'( | 19:36 |
| * jjesse would like to see one note in linux | 19:36 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: I downloaded it from ktown the other day | 19:37 |
| nixternal | I have it on my 64bit desktop | 19:37 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what's the path of it on ktown? | 19:37 |
| nixternal | it isn't in ktown anymore :) | 19:37 |
| Riddell | are you thinking of -workspace? | 19:37 |
| jjesse | nixternal: don't bother Riddell he is re-writing Compiz-KDE :) | 19:37 |
| nixternal | no, runtime | 19:37 |
| Riddell | well if it's not on ktown now then it's not needed | 19:37 |
| nixternal | there was kdebase, kdebase-runtime, and kdebase-workspace the other day | 19:37 |
| jjesse | what is ktown? | 19:38 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ya, there were updates to the packages since my last download, so I am going to grab them (libs and base) and redo them | 19:38 |
| nixternal | jjesse: right next to funky town | 19:38 |
| Riddell | KDE's main server | 19:38 |
| jjesse | oh | 19:38 |
| nixternal | won't you take me. | 19:38 |
| nixternal | ktown | 19:38 |
| nixternal | err, I messed that song up | 19:38 |
| mhb | to | 19:38 |
| nixternal | thanks mhb :) | 19:38 |
| jjesse | nixternal: like i said don't bother Riddell he's re-writting Compiz-KDE | 19:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I just uploaded the new kdebase to the PPA | 19:38 |
| * Riddell is doing no such thing | 19:39 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: well then, I will do the rest then :) | 19:39 |
| jjesse | i think that was what the session i just left was about.... | 19:39 |
| Riddell | nixternal: well I have some time, let's share them out | 19:39 |
| nixternal | up to you beefpatty | 19:39 |
| Lure | manchicken: there is bug with proposed fix (.desktop file change) for basket | 19:39 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: ^^ new one, add it to the dictionary | 19:39 |
| manchicken | Lure: Will that fix the integration? | 19:39 |
| nixternal | manchicken: why don't you take over basket and make it better? | 19:40 |
| manchicken | nixternal: I really like it as it is to be honest with you. | 19:40 |
| Riddell | nixternal: if I grab kdebase-workspace and extragear-plasma you go ahead with others? | 19:40 |
| Lure | manchicken: they claim it should (it is just different plugin abi version) | 19:40 |
| nixternal | I personally didn't like it, but I do see where it might be useful while sitting in class sometimes | 19:40 |
| manchicken | Other than a handful of annoyances I really think it's about perfect. | 19:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell: works for me | 19:40 |
| nixternal | I will upload them to the ppa starting now, and while I am at school tonight....javascript class, that stuff is to easy | 19:40 |
| manchicken | Lure: Good. I'll stop crying when it's fixed. :'( | 19:40 |
| manchicken | I promise | 19:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell: how do I properly use a chroot for the kde4 builds when everytime I try to install one of the debs, it cries about dbus...I have tried install dbus on multiple occassions into the chroot, but it still cries | 19:41 |
| nixternal | am I missing something? | 19:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst or whatever it is | 19:42 |
| jjesse | nixternal: just do an rm -rf / | 19:43 |
| jjesse | and then install | 19:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: roger | 19:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: do you see kdepimlibs in ktown? I sure don't | 19:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: found it and the runtime | 19:45 |
| nixternal | look under 3.95/platform | 19:45 |
| Riddell | oh. meh. | 19:46 |
| nixternal | hehe, the other day though it was just under 3.95, there were no subdirectories | 19:47 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ok, want me to do that? | 19:47 |
| nixternal | go for it :) | 19:47 |
| Riddell | where does it fit in? | 19:48 |
| Lure | manchicken: if you did not find: just change Plugin version to 6 in /usr/share/services/kontact/basket.desktop and restart kontact | 19:48 |
| manchicken | Lure: Really? | 19:49 |
| Lure | manchicken: yes | 19:49 |
| Lure | manchicken: we have rebuilt it (Hobbsee) just before release, but we forgot about desktop file | 19:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell: check the debian kde4 repos, they already started on the packaging of it | 19:49 |
| Lure | manchicken: we could probably ask for sru as many users complained and fix is obvious | 19:50 |
| manchicken | OMFG Lure's a freakin' genius! | 19:50 |
| Riddell | Lure: go ahead | 19:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: need to check universe processes, sometimes they are more strict than for main... | 19:51 |
| Riddell | by the way, anyone have an opinion on not having ksplash in hardy? | 19:51 |
| nixternal | what would you do with it? | 19:51 |
| Riddell | throw it away | 19:52 |
| Riddell | a la ubuntu | 19:52 |
| nixternal | where it is just blank until everything loads up? | 19:52 |
| Riddell | yes | 19:52 |
| nixternal | hrmm, don't bother me truthfully...but I do like the simple one that I think mhb made, or it maybe have been fdoving | 19:52 |
| Nightrose | giving feedback to the user ftw! - usability wise removing that would be very bad without giving some kind of indication something is done | 19:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: fine with me actually, current one is not very descriptive anyhow | 19:53 |
| fdoving | nixternal: probably mhb, though i use the theme named "Simple" | 19:53 |
| nixternal | fdoving: ok, I couldn't remember which one of you tweaked the simple ksplash and made it look cool | 19:53 |
| fdoving | i didn't :) | 19:54 |
| manchicken | Lure: Do you have any idea how much easier you just made my life? Much thanks. | 19:54 |
| Lure | manchicken: ;-) | 19:54 |
| * Lure will prepare sru to make others happy too ;-) | 19:54 | |
| manchicken | My client is so scatter-brained that I'm having to take lots of notes, and it's just hard to keep the notes organized in knotes. | 19:54 |
| manchicken | Baskets is just the ideal program for that sort of thing. | 19:55 |
| fdoving | manchicken: tried kjots ? | 19:58 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Where is the packages for kde4 beta4? | 19:58 |
| manchicken | Not. | 19:58 |
| manchicken | nope* | 19:59 |
| mhb | nixternal: that'd be me | 20:00 |
| manchicken | Wait, is kjots the program that stores regular notes hierarchically? | 20:01 |
| mhb | nixternal: I like it, too .o) | 20:01 |
| mhb | nixternal: of course, two entities must like it in order to push it - Riddell and the majority :o) | 20:03 |
| mhb | Riddell: if you ask me, I'd have some sort of indication that the system loads up ... KDE loads a wee bit slower than GNOME does here | 20:04 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'm for a lighter splash all the way, though. | 20:04 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: suse kdebase patch for LUKS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42840/ | 20:04 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: put it into bzr if you want | 20:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: affirmative | 20:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: what do you think about it? | 20:10 |
| Riddell | mhb: dunno, I've removed ksplash on my machine for now, waiting for a reboot to see what I think | 20:12 |
| mhb | Riddell: a simple ksplash (like I did) can speed up the KDE start (few seconds gain) | 20:13 |
| fdoving | none probably gains even more. | 20:13 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: see http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok-devel/2007-October/000724.html | 20:13 |
| mhb | empty splash could go a little further, but it shouldn't be long | 20:13 |
| mhb | err, that much | 20:14 |
| mhb | let's hear Riddell's analysis | 20:16 |
| Lure | Riddell: first time preparing package for -proposed: what do I need to change to get it uploaded to right repo? | 20:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: and version is by standard .1, right? | 20:17 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: which kde4 packages are you going to do now? | 20:20 |
| nixternal | that way there, once they are up, I can put them in my schroot and finish off the rest | 20:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: strigi, kdebase-workspace, kdebase-runtime, extragear-plasma | 20:20 |
| nixternal | OK, I don't think I need to depend on any of them for the rest of the packages | 20:21 |
| nixternal | you guys see Ubuntu is now being sold in Walmart? gOS | 20:23 |
| mhb | Riddell: so what about the ksplash? | 20:24 |
| Riddell | mhb: I commented above ("dunno...") | 20:25 |
| mhb | Riddell: yeah, I just thought you rebooted now that you speak :o) | 20:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: no, I'm waiting until my laptop does it for me, which usually isn't long | 20:26 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: kubuntu doesn't add ~/Music to amarokrc by default. I'd worry that if we did we'd lose the "Build Collection" button that new users get | 20:26 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: i see - don't know enough about that to give you any hint here but when the time for a decision comes just talk to one of our devs - I will post you links to further replies when there are any | 20:28 |
| ryanakca | hmm... random idea for Hardy, take it or leave it, but maybe create a Documents/ , Music/ , Pictures/ in /etc/skel/ , and then if we wanted, set the appropriate KDE icons for the directories? | 20:29 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: see http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup | 20:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: thanks | 20:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: cool, so, with XDG Home Dirs, XDG would create a directory specifically for say "Music", and then it would inform all programs that the default location for music is in "Music/" ? | 20:33 |
| ryanakca | and likewise for documents, pictures, downloads, video, etc? | 20:34 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: essentially, run it if you want to see | 20:34 |
| Riddell | cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 20:34 |
| ryanakca | :) | 20:39 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: kdebase patch pushed | 21:01 |
| Sime | anyone here know where the defaults for kde are kept? (for colours, fonts etc) | 21:12 |
| Riddell | scattered throughout KDE | 21:13 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: isn't it /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile ? | 21:14 |
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| _StefanS_ | - kde-profile | 21:14 |
| Sime | ok then, where do the defaults for colours and fonts live? | 21:14 |
| Riddell | yes kubuntu keeps our overrides in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals | 21:14 |
| Riddell | KDE itself is another question | 21:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you get basket through gutsy-proposed? (waiting for distro manager approval) | 21:14 |
| Sime | I've got netbeans here which is a Java swing app and I'm trying to de-uglyify it. | 21:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: I can see it, I'm not sure I'm allowed to approve it | 21:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, will have to wait then | 21:15 |
| Sime | cool, that's it. | 21:16 |
| DaSkreech | Ther is a new basket? | 21:16 |
| Riddell | Lure: well, maybe I can | 21:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: wait | 21:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: it looks like I need to change Maintainer after all (was not warned as version was build) | 21:18 |
| Riddell | you don't | 21:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, then it is fine | 21:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: will change it for hardy version | 21:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: will be ubuntu1 there | 21:19 |
| Riddell | Lure: accepted, please update the bug status and add the tag and find some testers | 21:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: will wait to get repo and will mail ubuntu-motu and kubuntu-devel and kubuntu for testers | 21:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have also uploaded fix for hardy | 21:26 |
| Riddell | thanks | 21:26 |
| jpatrick | _buz: ping | 21:40 |
| jpatrick | _buz: kde-luks test package on my ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jpatrick/+archive | 21:41 |
| jpatrick | not yet built tho, but it's only a matter of time | 21:42 |
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| Lure | mhb: I though that you were planning to do something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionManagement | 22:30 |
| Riddell | his spec is different | 22:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: should we merge? | 22:37 |
| Riddell | no, they're different | 22:37 |
| mhb | Lure: something similar | 22:51 |
| DaSkreech | Lure: There is a a new basket? | 23:13 |
| Lure | DaSkreech: uploaded to hardy and gutsy-proposed | 23:14 |
| DaSkreech | Neart | 23:14 |
| Lure | DaSkreech: fixes integration in kontact | 23:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: doesn't it need to install basket.desktop ? | 23:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: it does, or? | 23:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: I tested upgrade here and it worked, will try again with -proposed version | 23:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: the change is only version of plugin in .desktop file | 23:15 |
| Riddell | mm right, it works | 23:21 |
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| mhb | :q | 23:50 |
| mhb | hehe, vim overdose | 23:50 |
| begert | oh look, i has plasma...neat | 23:52 |
| DaSkreech | begert: lolcat? | 23:58 |
| begert | indeed | 23:59 |
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