[00:07] <PrairieDog> Gusty has effectively made my ubuntu uworkable.
[00:07] <PrairieDog> How do I format the whole HD?
[00:08] <PrairieDog> Wipe it clean and start from scratch.
[00:08] <Pitabred> fdisk?
[00:08] <PrairieDog> that might do it.
[00:09] <Pitabred> Boot from a livecd and use fdisk, or just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[00:09] <PrairieDog> maybe from an install CD, but I don't know if that will do it or not.
[00:09] <PrairieDog> oh cool, thanks.
[00:09] <Pitabred> Either way, reinstalling should allow you to reformat everything anyway
[00:09] <Pitabred> Repartition the machine, etc.
[00:09] <PrairieDog> that's what I needed to know.
[00:10] <sp1nter> the install cd "should"
[00:10] <PrairieDog> This is a complete bummer.
[00:10] <PrairieDog> I had ubuntu going pretty well, then the upgraded broke things way beyond my ability to repair.
[00:10] <Pitabred> I typically partition things myself, so I don't really use many of the installer's tools for doing the disk management
[00:10] <Pitabred> I have been impressed with qtparted, though
[00:11] <sp1nter> upgrade fixed things for me thankgod
[00:11] <PrairieDog> Well, I'm on the verge of completely dropping any and all linux distros.
[00:11] <Pitabred> I've got Kubuntu Gutsy running on 4 machines, so it can't be ALL bad
[00:11] <PrairieDog> I dispise m$, but at least I can make XP work.
[00:12] <Pitabred> Ya just gotta realize that when switching to Linux, you become a newbie again :)
[00:12] <PrairieDog> very n00b
[00:12] <Pitabred> ;)  It's not fun if you're used to being a power user.  But it's still usable
[00:12] <PrairieDog> Well, I've struggled for a year. End of struggle.
[00:12] <Pitabred> Anywho, gotta split
[00:12] <PrairieDog> It either works this time or kaput.
[00:13] <PrairieDog> see ya, thanks.
[00:19] <john_> anybody know a better driver for ATI then the proprietary drivers
[00:20] <john_> anybody know a better driver for ATI then the proprietary drivers????
[00:20] <john_> anybody?
[00:21] <sweettooth> hi there, is there any explanation why amarok is so slow? It feels like I am running wmp11 on a 386, takes about 30s to do one command
[00:25] <sweettooth> Does everyone feel the same, or is it just my computer?
[00:25] <[ifr0g]> Its fast here..
[00:27] <sweettooth> [ifr0g], hmm.... do you know where i could find the problem?
[00:27] <GuHHH> i have apache2 chrooted and i want to make it run phpldapadmin, what do i need to do besides move phpldapadmin to inside the chroot?
[00:28] <mluser-home> Hello.. I started compiz with 'compiz --replace', can someone tell me how to turn it off now?
[00:29] <bazhang> mluser-home: kwin --replace
[00:29] <mluser-home> bazhang: thanks
[00:29] <bazhang> mluser-home: no problem. :}
[00:33] <thomas_> i'm getting an error when trying to download a file of a server
[00:33] <thomas_> i'm getting "scp: .: not a regular file"
[00:35] <leafw> anyone with a thinkpad + ATI card? What's the situation with Gutsy?
[00:38] <guymac_tucson> Greetings
[00:38] <radius> earthlings?
[00:38] <guymac_tucson> I have a question about load/unload cycles :-/
[00:39] <guymac_tucson> I have a Dell Ispiron B130 with Ubuntu since getting it 1 year ago.
[00:39] <guymac_tucson> Load/Unload cyles are at 223,000 and the Samsung drive is rated for 300,000
[00:40] <guymac_tucson> So I've been following the threads today, and *nothing* I do is lowering the increase of several per minute...
[00:40] <guymac_tucson> Is this a real problem?
[00:40] <Kenichi> hello adept crased and is locked now how to fix?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[00:41] <bazhang> !aptfix
[00:41] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:41] <Kenichi> it crased when installin java
[00:43] <Kenichi> whats that about no kde 3.5.8 ships with kubuntu 7.10
[00:43] <bazhang> Kenichi: got 3.5.8 here
[00:44] <Kenichi> i think i read wrong because i know sure it shipped with 3.5.8 but hows with the bugs?
[00:44] <bazhang> Kenichi: very stable for me; you having problems other than apt?
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> Kenichi: I don't think there are any problems anymore with KDElibs
[00:45] <fignew> woah, I just ran kompmgr... what is this???
[00:45] <Kenichi> i had on the beginning and it did irritate but i going give it a try again i upgrade today
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> IDK... what is it?
[00:46] <bazhang> Kenichi: good luck :}
[00:48] <bazhang> fignew: what program is it?
[00:49] <fignew> I dunno, but it's sorta like compiz
[00:49] <bazhang> from where?
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> not seeing it  in apt-cache
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> !info kompmgn
[00:50] <ubotu> Package kompmgn does not exist in gutsy
[00:50] <Kenichi> i think mandriva did a good job but i started having today problems with video so i did put kubuntu on it again
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> !info kompmgr
[00:50] <ubotu> Package kompmgr does not exist in gutsy
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> !kompmgr
[00:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kompmgr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> Kenichi: ah :)
[00:50] <aztyx> i got some problems installing steam on wine, can someone msg me so i can get some help?
[00:51] <fignew> bazhang: I just ran it from the terminal
[00:51] <NickPresta> fignew, perhaps you want xcompmgr?
[00:51] <fignew> already installed
[00:51] <NickPresta> aztyx, what seems to be the problem(s)?
[00:51] <Kenichi> i got my new tft and i could stretch my video so i think i messed it up
[00:51] <bazhang> kompmgr is a composite rendering engine to be used by KWin
[00:52] <bazhang> from 2005 :}
[00:52] <aztyx> im starting it and it says i need gecko, ive installed it but it wont work.
[00:52] <Kenichi> ah adept crased again what was that code again?
[00:52] <fignew> good times
[00:52] <fignew> works good :)
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[00:52] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:53] <Kenichi> its every time with javas
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> fignew: really?
[00:53] <fignew> better than Compiz
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> does it do more than transparency?
[00:53] <fignew> fadeing of windows and shadows :P
[00:54] <NickPresta> aztyx, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1554 ... HOWTO: Installing and Running Steam #3
[00:54] <Kenichi> compiz sucks compiz fusion is okay but i think its not good enough like that video part is still a problem and i want something like windows vista
[00:54] <bazhang> something broken? :}
[00:55] <Elidix> nope
[00:55] <aztyx> ok
[00:55] <Elidix> everything is ok, thanks anyways ^^
[00:55] <Kenichi> i heard something like compiz will come in kde it self
[00:56] <bazhang> kde4 +opengl
[00:56] <aztyx> NickPresta: When i does that it wont work. i get the window up and it starts to download
[00:56] <ardchoille> I have set a web shortcut but when I type it into konq, strigi takes over. How do I stop that?
[00:57] <Kenichi> i love kde4 but its not realy useable on the moment
[00:57] <bazhang> true
[00:57] <aztyx> then when the loading bar is full it disappear.. but then i still got the problem
[00:57] <fignew> ardchoille: tools
[00:57] <ardchoille> fignew: tools?
[00:57] <fignew> -->configure-->web shortcuts
[00:57] <fignew> on the menu bar
[00:57] <fignew> then change the default engine dropdown on the bottom of the screen
[00:58] <NickPresta> aztyx, hmm. I don't know then. Perhaps you could ask in #wine or wait to see if anyone else has solved your problem. You don't see the browser in stem unless you like using it to download videos and such...
[00:58] <ardchoille> fignew: in konqueror?
[00:58] <fignew> yes
[00:58] <ardchoille> fignew: There is no "Tools > Configure"
[00:58] <Kenichi> i hope kubuntu 8.04 ships with kde4
[00:59] <aztyx> NickPresta: ok.
[00:59] <fignew> sorry... Settings --> configure konq.
[00:59] <ardchoille> fignew: Found it in Settings, thank you :)
[01:00] <ardchoille> fignew: That still doesn't enable web shortcuts
[01:00] <fignew> you need to put in something like gg: test search
[01:01] <fignew> is that what you were doing?
[01:01] <ardchoille> fignew: Ah, yes, that worked. I'm still learning about Konqueror since I switched from firefox yesterday. Thank you for the help.
[01:01] <fignew> you can change that if you'd like
[01:02] <fignew> theres a second dropdown menu there
[01:02] <fignew> you can change it from colon to space :)
[01:02] <ardchoille> I see it
[01:02] <ardchoille> W00T!
[01:02]  * fignew <3 konq
[01:02] <ardchoille> :)
[01:03] <ardchoille> This rocks!
[01:03] <ardchoille> fignew: hehe, I was about to uninstall strigi
[01:04] <fignew> lol, I might have uninstalled it
[01:04] <fignew> no.. I didn't
[01:04] <fignew> but I sure don't use it
[01:04] <fignew> worst interface ever :(
[01:04] <ardchoille> You aint kidding
[01:06] <flaccid> PriceChild heh
[01:06] <ardchoille>  OMG!   apt:/search
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> get "strigiclient" from the repositories
[01:06] <administrator> hhhh
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> =)
[01:08] <ardchoille> wow, you can do apt search and apt show right from konqueror
[01:08] <PriceChild> flaccid, hmm?
[01:08] <fignew> yep
[01:09] <flaccid> omg you replied..
[01:09]  * Hobbsee looks in
[01:09] <bazhang> when does hardy channel open?
[01:10] <nalioth> bazhang: have you tried to join it?
[01:10] <Dragnslcr> I would imagine it's #ubuntu+1
[01:10] <bazhang> nalioth: ubuntu+1?
[01:10] <nalioth> bazhang: that is the place for the kids with b0rkD boxen  :)
[01:11] <bazhang> nalioth: is there a package or packages to download already?
[01:11] <thomas_> i'm getting "scp: .: not a regular file"
[01:11] <fignew> nosrednaekim: that's a little better
[01:11] <fignew> but still not great
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> I doubt there's much in the 8.04 repositories that's different from 7.10
[01:12] <Dragnslcr> It's only been a couple weeks
[01:12] <nalioth> bazhang: not enough to run, no
[01:12] <bazhang> nalioth: cheers!
[01:12] <Sertraline> !botsnack
[01:12] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[01:12] <Hobbsee> yay, borkened boxes!
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> fignew: what?
[01:13] <fignew> strigiclient
[01:13] <Hobbsee> nalioth: oh, it probably does have new stuff - with the sync requests and all.  it probably wouldnt work together very well though
[01:13] <gesslar> Hopefully, this is an easy question. I bought a keybaord that has multimedia keys on it. KDE already knows to open KMail on the email button and Speedcrunch on the calc button. I'm looking around the KControl -> Regional & Accessibility and I cannot find where these are set. I tried Command Shortcuts and Application Shortcuts under Shortcut Schemes but cannot find what I'm looking for. Anybody got any ideas?
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> fignew: ah.. yeah
[01:14] <fignew> good question gesslar, now that I think about it, I'm curious too :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> it's set somewhere in kmilo, and i dont know of a gui to do it.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> it should all "just work"
[01:15] <gesslar> fignew: I did find one thing, if I change the default application for email from KMail to Thunderbird, and I press the email button, it opens Thunderbird's compose window, which is neat, but still doesn't answer my question :D
[01:22] <ardchoille> fignew: Funny how I was able to completely overlook two drop-down menus in the web shortcuts page, lol
[01:22] <error> I'm running Gutsy and using an XBox 360 controller with xpad...  My controller works but lags, there's a ~200 millisecond delay before each button press registers, and that makes it about impossible to play games.  Does anyone know why?
[01:22] <ardchoille> Kenichi: kde4 will won't be anywhere near ready for 8.04
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> I thought KDE 4.0.0 was supposed to be done in December?
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> Isn't 8.04 going to stay with KDE3 as the default because of it being an LTS version?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> correct
[01:25] <bazhang> error: have you tried adjusting via the control panel settings for joystick?
[01:25] <error> I've calibrated it, but it's laggy there too.
[01:26] <error> It's like the polling rate is too slow and I don't know how to change that.
[01:26] <bazhang> error: which game(s)?
[01:26] <bazhang> wow?
[01:26] <error> All games, but zsnes is the one I'm trying to run....  Regardless, it lags in the controller settings screen without anything running.
[01:27] <bazhang> error: I've used a ps2 controller with no ill effects, though I may be cannot sense the lag
[01:28] <error> This might be related... js0 js1 and js2 all refer to the same controller.
[01:28] <error> I'm not sure why.
[01:36] <hagabaka> is there a script to automatically select the default video player?
[01:38] <ardchoille> automatically select the default video player? Isn't that what the system does anyway?
[01:41] <bazhang> I believe it's Kaffeine in Kubuntu.
[01:41] <idiotic> yes
[01:42] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[01:42] <bazhang> if I want to use something else, I just right click open-with...etc.
[01:43] <bazhang> hi contrast83
[01:43] <contrast83> I'm trying to do a version upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy. It's been hanging at 11% on the "Installing the upgrades" step for nearly two hours.
[01:44] <hagabaka> ardchoille and bazhang: i mean when multiple video players are installed, let me select the default used all formats where supported
[01:44] <contrast83> "Preparing to configure volumeid" specifically. I clicked "Show Terminal" but it didn't do anything. :-\
[01:44] <robotphood> hagabaka, can't you open with, than set it to remember app association for file type?
[01:44] <hagabaka> maybe it's more of a kde question
[01:45] <ardchoille> hagabaka: Ah, that would be File Associations, which can be set in kcontrol
[01:45] <contrast83> ^ or Konqueror. :-)
[01:45] <hagabaka> i can, but there should be something to set them all at the same time
[01:45] <ardchoille> hagabaka: kcontrol > KDE Compontnets > File Associations
[01:45] <ardchoille> contrast83: Good catch
[01:45] <contrast83> hagabaka: You mean for *all* video formats?
[01:45] <hagabaka> yeah, when the player supports it
[01:46] <contrast83> hagabaka: I don't think there is. I'm pretty sure you have to set each format individually. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes though.
[01:46] <Jucato> unfortunately that's one of the biggest nuisance in KDE
[01:46] <Jucato> you have to set the file association for each file type.
[01:46] <contrast83> And pretty much any player should support the format, so long as the corresponding codecs for whatever backend that player's using are installed.
[01:47] <ardchoille> Where is File Associations in System Settings?
[01:47]  * contrast83 gives two thumbs down to System Settings.
[01:47] <contrast83> :-P
[01:47] <ardchoille> contrast83: You're not alone
[01:47] <Jucato> ardchoille: it's in Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror
[01:47] <Jucato> (which is why it isn't in System Settings)
[01:48] <hagabaka> yeah, "system settings" is annoying
[01:48] <ardchoille> Then they need to yank the word "system" out of the title
[01:48] <ardchoille> :P
[01:48] <contrast83> There's so much stuff you can't even access from System Settings.
[01:48] <Jucato> get used to it... it's going to be the default for KDE 4
[01:48] <Jucato> contrast83: that was the purpose actually
[01:48] <ardchoille> Jucato: Is kcontrol going bye bye?
[01:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: *went* bye bye
[01:49] <contrast83> I don't see the purpose of the purpose. :-)
[01:49] <ardchoille> Guess I'll be writing my own kcontrol then
[01:49] <Jucato> good luck
[01:49] <Jucato> but the kcm's are still the same anyway
[01:49] <ardchoille> Oh, that'l make it easier
[01:49] <nzk> Argh... Firefox just crashed on me four times in a row. I'm just typing something and suddenly the clock stops, and the computer froze. I try to ssh in and kill -9 firefox, but the process doesn't show up in top. What can I do?
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> well...  since system settings is taking over kcontrol, it's probably taking over kcontrol's functionality as well
[01:49] <Jucato> you can still run them individually if you want
[01:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: That's good
[01:50] <Jucato> what I'm not sure is whether KDE will follow Kubuntu's "simplification" scheme for System Settings
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> just as kde3's iteration of dolphin is terrible, that doesn't mean kde4's will.  same goes for system settings
[01:50] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: because that dolphin isn't officially KDE's
[01:50] <Jucato> that's why it's terrible :)
[01:50] <contrast83> So the Dolphin in Gutsy is significantly different from KDE 4's?
 that far apart
[01:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Are you saying that the Dolphin in Kubuntu is not the same as the Dolphin in the KDE?
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: fair enough
[01:51] <ardchoille> I wonder just how different my desktop is from KDE then
[01:51] <Jucato> ardchoille: the Dolphin for KDE *3* stopped development almost a year ago. the one in Kubuntu is a fork called D3lphin
[01:51] <kyron> I'm attempting to follow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=531061 but I can't seem to find the smartlink Daemon package
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: the dolphin available for kde3 isn't the dolphin that will come with kde4
[01:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Oh, didn't know that
[01:52] <Jucato> which is significantly far from the version of Dolphin in KDE 4
[01:52] <ardchoille> Oh, in that case, I look forward to KDE4
[01:53] <Jucato> contrast83: the purpose of system settings was to be a lightweight alternative to kcontrol, containing only control modules that are not duplicated/reached elsewhere
[01:53] <ardchoille> Jucato: I also wonder when Kubuntu will be big enough and powerful enough to "sway" KDE development
[01:53] <t3ch13> I'm having a wierd problem with compiz I need help with. On the Pager for kde when I have compiz on it shows as 1 box instead of 4 everytime I boot. I resize it then set it back then it shows 4 boxes
[01:54] <Jucato> in 2011
[01:54] <aztyx_> how do i update kubuntu
[01:54] <aztyx_> ?
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> t3ch13: compiz uses viewports, not desktops
[01:54] <ardchoille> That's just the point, some of us users "like" kcontrol
[01:54] <bazhang> aztyx_: from Feisty to Gutsy?
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> and all 4 viewports for compiz are technically on one desktop
[01:54] <t3ch13> I knw but the pager helps me to know what 1 I am on
[01:54] <aztyx_> bazhang: yes. i got 7.04
[01:54] <contrast83> Jucato: Makes sense enough, I guess. One of the things I love about Control Center though, is on a fresh install, I can open that up and configure pretty much everything that needs configuring without having to open several different programs.
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> t3ch13: I think there is a compiz pager plugin
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> t3ch13: t... what nosrednaekim said
[01:55] <ardchoille> contrast83: Me too
[01:55] <t3ch13> I'll ave to look then
[01:55] <bazhang> !upgrade
[01:55] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:55] <contrast83> t3ch13: One sec, I'll find that for you...
[01:55] <aztyx_> !upgrade
[01:55] <Jucato> contrast83: most are still there in system settings. except for file mamagement/web browsing settings and panel settings.
[01:56] <contrast83> t3ch13: http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/pool/gutsy/3v1n0/kicker-compiz_3.5.4-0.2-3v1ubuntu0_i386.deb
[01:56] <ardchoille> Jucato: The point was that in kcontrol, you can set everything from one window (kcontrol) without having to click or open other areas.
[01:57] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes. but that's kcontrol's purpose. not system settings. 2 different apps. 2 different goals
[01:57] <ardchoille> True
[01:57] <Jucato> it wouldn't be fair to expect systemsettings to be kcontrol when it isn't
[01:57] <ardchoille> Jucato: Where would I go to find all the kcm's that kcontrol opens?
[01:57] <Jucato> "kcmshell --list"
[01:57] <contrast83> Jucato: It would be fair to expect KControl to still be there though. :-P
[01:58] <ardchoille> Jucato: W00T!
[01:58] <Jucato> contrast83: not in kde4. (but kcmshell is still there)
[01:59] <contrast83> Yeah. What I'll probably end up doing is making a folder with different subfolders like in KControl, each containing the corresponding KCM's.
[01:59] <bazhang> aztyx_: does that answer your question?
[02:00] <ardchoille> Jucato: I can write a kommander script/ui for those, that's easy.
[02:00] <Jucato> contrast83: or you can just make a launcher for "kcmshell module1 module2 module3" and they will be grouped accordingly
[02:00] <Jucato> ardchoille: ^^^^
[02:01] <ardchoille> yeah
[02:01] <contrast83> So any idea why a version upgrade would hang when it's "Preparing to configure volumeid"? And does that mean I'll just need to reinstall, or does the upgrade still stand a chance?
[02:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Dude, you rock
[02:01] <aztyx_> bazhang: Yes
[02:01] <bazhang> cool
[02:02] <contrast83> Is KDE on a release schedule, in terms of 4.0 -> 4.1..., or do those just come "when it's ready"?
[02:02] <Jucato> contrast83: http://techbase.kde.org
[02:03] <contrast83> Thanks
[02:03] <Jucato> schedules are created as they go along. no 6-month limit
[02:04] <contrast83> Got cha... So, no ideas on the version upgrade issue?
[02:04] <Jucato> nope :/
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> contrast83: try uninstalling volumeid?
[02:04] <b0nn> I have a fried upgrade (edgy->feisty), any ideas on where to start fixing it?
[02:05] <contrast83> nosrednaekim: Afraid not. Quite a few crucial things depend on it. Thanks anyway though.
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> contrast83: oh...... ok.
[02:06] <contrast83> Screw it. I'm just gonna reinstall.
[02:06] <contrast83> Maybe someday version upgrades will consistently/reliably work. :-\
[02:07] <contrast83> I don't really have any issue with reinstalling, but that's because /home is on a seperate partition. I could imagine people who don't know to do that becoming quite peeved when one of these goes bad.
[02:07] <bazhang> good point
[02:08]  * b0nn is one of those people
[02:08] <Jucato> although I'd have to say, not everyone experienced problems upgrading, and not with that particular package
[02:08] <bazhang> b0nn: what is the issue?
[02:08] <b0nn> I upgraed from edgy _> feisty this morning, and now the machine wont boot
[02:09] <bazhang> b0nn: all backed up?
[02:09] <contrast83> Jucato: True. But I have seen a lot of people in here over the past ~couple weeks that had issues upgrading.
[02:09] <b0nn> nope
[02:09] <b0nn> 21 gigs to back up and no spare HDD, nor dvd writing ability
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> b0nn: ouchy....
[02:10] <bazhang> b0nn: there are a number of rescue cds you can use, do you have any USB keys?
[02:10] <b0nn> nope
[02:10] <b0nn> and Im running this from the edgy install disk
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> b0nn: what are you running right... ah
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> b0nn: can you chroot into your installtion?
[02:10] <b0nn> yes
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> b0nn: chroot in and do a "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:11] <b0nn> thats what caused this
[02:11] <b0nn> but I'll give it a go
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> caused what...
[02:12] <BluesKaj> contrast83, I tried 3 times to do a net upgrade , failed each time ...repos would drop connections ...I finally did a clean cd install instead but I'm not real impressed with gutsy
[02:13] <contrast83> BluesKaj: Any particular problems with Gutsy, or is it just not as big a step forward as you were expecting?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> good luck contrast83 I have to go
[02:15] <contrast83> nosrednaekim: Thanks, peace.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> the latter , contrast83 ...some app crashes and failures to launch with katapult , but nothing serious , however i get the distinct impression gutsy is strictly a stop-gap
[02:15] <contrast83> Stop-gap?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> 'til the next official release
[02:16] <dsmith_> no excuse not to backup
[02:17] <bazhang> feisty was the problem here; much better in Gutsy
[02:17] <bazhang> b0nn: I know this is after the fact, but you can pick up 4G usb keys for fairly cheap now--then shift them to your other machine.
[02:18] <dsmith_> borrow a usb drive?
[02:19] <contrast83> Personally, I'm pretty impressed with Gutsy. Several major nuissances I encountered in Feisty are gone (GTK apps taking 2-3 tries to actually start, for one). All the new stuff in the repositories is quite a treat too.
[02:20] <bazhang> especially the games :}
[02:20] <contrast83> Exactly
[02:20] <bazhang> warzone!
[02:20] <Jucato> (yay! at least some people seem to be happy with gutsy!)
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> If you're gonna get a USB thumb drive just as a cheap way of doing a backup, you might as well spend the extra $20 and get a 250+ GB external hard drive
[02:20] <contrast83> Although I still don't get why OpenArena is still at 0.6.0 in the repos when .7 has been out for nearly half a year.
[02:20] <bazhang> Jucato: you should be a teacher. :}
[02:20] <Jucato> O.o
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> To be honest, I haven't noticed any major changes when I upgraded to Gutsy
[02:21] <bazhang> and half a terabyte isn't that expansive either
[02:21] <contrast83> Jucato: Do you have any idea as to whether the packages on GetDeb are standards compliant?
[02:21] <bazhang> expensive oops
[02:21] <Jucato> standards compliant?
[02:22] <contrast83> Like, do they conform to Ubuntu's packaging standards?
[02:22] <contrast83> Erm... The standards that packages in Universe have to follow.
[02:22] <Jucato> hm.. theoretically, if they did, they wouldn't have to start their own repository... technically, I'm not sure. the guys over at #ubuntu-motu would probably know
[02:23] <yago> does anyone know where can I find ada programmers?
[02:23] <contrast83> Yeah... I wish they actually would start their own repo.
[02:23] <Dragnslcr> Tried looking in Imaginationland?
[02:24] <MasterShrek> THE TERRORISTS TOOK OVER OUR IMAGINATION!
[02:24] <contrast83> Having to check a website for updates to some programs you have installed is soo... Windows. :-X
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> I didn't know anyone still used Ada
[02:24] <Jucato> yago: in #ada
[02:24] <MasterShrek> ...latest southpark episode, sorry i had to say it
[02:24] <contrast83> MasterShrek: I laughed. :-)
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> Hehe, same here
[02:25] <Jucato> please don't shout though. !!!!! works the sae
[02:25] <contrast83> I missed the conclusion though.
[02:25] <MasterShrek> yago, my professor knows ada, but hes like 200 yrs old
[02:25] <yago> oh.,...
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I didn't know anyone that didn't work for the military in the 80's used Ada
[02:25] <b0nn> how do I remove packages that dpkg and apt cannot remove?
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> Well, maybe academia too
[02:25] <MasterShrek> =P but in #ada they can probably help you, also theres probably a few wikis/tutorials out there
[02:26] <bazhang> b0nn: is the dist-upgrade working?
[02:26] <contrast83> b0nn: Erm... What packages? And what exactly does it say when you try to remove them?
[02:26] <b0nn> nope
[02:26] <MasterShrek> Dragnslcr, actually i think ada might even be older than that...but i could be wrong, never looked into it much
[02:26] <b0nn> r-cran-psy
[02:26] <yago> then ada is not used on the present? people told me that it is used on systems for real time
[02:26] <b0nn> and it says 162: Can't open /usr/lib/R/etc/ldpaths
[02:27] <b0nn> and like every other error message I have googled today I have found open bug reports but no resolution
[02:27] <MasterShrek> yago, i dont think so, its pretty old, im sure it still works
[02:27] <Dragnslcr> MasterShrek- yeah, I think it was originally designed in the late 60's
[02:27] <MasterShrek> c is loosely based on ada isnt it?
[02:28] <contrast83> Anyone here using Kiba-Dock?
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> Nope, 1979 for Ada
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html
[02:28] <yago> well, then if I want do a system that works in real time, which languaje had I used?
[02:29] <yago> (sorry for my english I'm from Spain ;-) )
[02:29] <MasterShrek> yago, what exactly do u mean by "real time"? im sure there are plenty of languages out there
[02:29] <yago> for example a plane or a satellite, something that can't have a problem
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Bleh, I should know what languages are used for real-time systems
[02:32] <Lam_> if i compile a program with, say, libdvdnav-dev, would i need libdvdnav4?
[02:35] <MasterShrek> Lam_, most likely
[02:36] <Lam_> MasterShrek: yeah. that was a mybad. i checked the dependency on libdvdnav-dev and it had libdvdnav4 in it
[02:37] <MasterShrek> :)
[02:38] <MasterShrek> yago, why would you think some languages would have problems and others wouldnt? i think its more based on the programmer's job of writing the program
[02:39] <Lachlan> would this be the right channel to get info on upgrading to KDE4?
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> MasterShrek- some languages can do real-time (which has a pretty specific definition in computer science), but most can't
[02:39] <BluesKaj> !kde4
[02:39] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[02:40] <Lachlan> is there packages available for beta 4 yet?
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Yes
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Check the last link
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Er
[02:40] <Jucato> Lachlan: no
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Sorry, misread that
[02:41] <MasterShrek> BluesKaj, apparently beta4 of kde4 is out, but i dont think packages have been made yet, so you may want to wait a day or three :)
[02:41] <Lachlan> ok
[02:41] <yago> MasterShrek, I'm not an expert on programation, but some people told me that ada is the only languaje that when it's compiled, it never produces and exception or an error
[02:41] <MasterShrek> Lachlan, i cant back that up, but i just noticed today that beta4 was released so i doubt there would be packages yet
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> From what I've heard about its stability, if you don't already know how to install the KDE4 beta, you probably don't need or want to install it
[02:42] <Jucato> you already heard about beta4's stability? when it was just released today? O.o
[02:42] <MasterShrek> yago, i dont know for sure, but i think that its more of a programmers job to take into consideration exceptions and errors
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> yago- I somehow doubt that. There are always errors that can occur at run-time
[02:43] <Lachlan> i might just compile the kde4 myself how do i disable/turn off compiz fusion in gusty and make sure it doesnt auto turn on on start up
[02:43] <BluesKaj> MasterShrek, i was merely responding to Lachlan's query about KDE4. I"m not interested in it having tried it and failed to get it to work on my setup.
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- sorry, meant the betas in general, i.e. really only meant for developers
[02:43]  * MasterShrek has no idea on beta4's stability
[02:43] <Lachlan> im fine with installing unstable programs im putting it on my test laptop
[02:43] <MasterShrek> yea sorry BluesKaj i noticed that afterwards :)
[02:44] <Lachlan> in fact i normaly use the alphas and betas of Kubuntu
[02:44] <Jucato> Lachlan: if you follow the guide on how to compile KDE4, you won't have to worry about compiz. it will be built for a different user with different settings
[02:44] <yago> Dragnlcr, by this reason, if an error ocurrs on run-time ada knows how to resolve, (or this is what an programmer told me...)
[02:44] <MasterShrek> its fun dev'ing huh Lachlan :) i enjoy it from time to time, but lately ive been happy with the stable
[02:44] <Lachlan> ok and the guide for that is on the KDE site?
[02:44] <Lachlan> or on the kubuntu link u gave?
[02:44] <Jucato> http:/techbase.kde.org
[02:45] <BluesKaj> KDE4 needs a lotta work I think ...those instructions at (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php )on the last didn't work for me
[02:45] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: "The KDE Community is happy to release the fourth Beta for KDE 4.0. This Beta aimed at further polishing of the KDE codebase and we would love to start receiving feedback from testers."
[02:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: that's still for beta3...
[02:46] <BluesKaj> Jucato, is it improved ?
[02:46] <Jucato> BluesKaj: beta4 has been released. but Kubuntu doesn't have packages yet
[02:46] <MasterShrek> beta3 to beta4, would make sense that its improved i guess
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- interesting
[02:47] <Lachlan> Jucato do i follow thishttp://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian?
[02:47] <Lachlan> oops http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian
[02:47] <Jucato> follow them carefully
[02:48] <Lachlan> i will. also just so i can compile quicker how do i turn off compiz fusion and all that
[02:49] <BluesKaj> Lachlan, at the login page , choose kde in the menu
[02:50] <Lachlan> ok would kwin --replace do it?
[02:50] <BluesKaj> dunno
[02:50] <shinda> anyone here familiar with xrandr and how to use it?
[02:51] <MasterShrek> Lachlan, i think it would
[02:51] <Lachlan> thanks
[02:52] <shinda> I try running xrandr --output VGA --right-of DVI but doesn't amount to anything
[02:52] <Dresken> Hi
[02:53] <Dresken> Can anyone please tell my how to install vlc? ~_~
[02:53] <biovore> sudo apt-get install vlc ?
[02:53] <Dresken> I keep getting E: Broken packages
[02:53] <biovore> ah.. so you burgered up apt then..
[02:54] <biovore> sudo apt-get install -f
[02:54] <Dresken> That did nothing x_x
[02:54] <Dresken> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:55] <biovore> still getting a broken package?
[02:55] <Dresken> yeah
[02:55] <biovore> dose it say what is broken?
[02:55] <yago> MasterShrek, thank you for your time! ;-)
[02:57] <BluesKaj> Dresken,if possible  install synaptic and use it's edit features to fix broken packages
[02:57] <Dresken> Err, how do I do that? :x
[02:57] <Dresken> First time linux user x_x
[02:58] <MasterShrek> Dresken, well you picked the right desktop environment :)
[02:59] <BluesKaj> Dresken, copy and paste this into the konsole : sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:59] <Dresken> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[03:02] <Dresken> x_x
[03:02] <harrison> So...  has anybody gotten fglrx and suspend to work on Gutsy?
[03:03] <MasterShrek> harrison, what makes you think suspend has anything to do with fglrx?
[03:03] <Dresken> Looks like it doesn't like synaptic <_<
[03:04] <harrison> kernel 2.6.22-14 uses SLUB instead of SLAB memory allocator
[03:04] <harrison> fglrx has a bug in it that causes susepend to hang
[03:04] <harrison> google fglrx and suspend
[03:04] <biovore> yup..
[03:04] <harrison> so anybody get it working?
[03:05] <biovore> recompile your kenerel for SLAB
[03:05] <BluesKaj> ok Dresken, time to uncomment the debs (sources) in your sources.list ... alt+F2 ,copy and paste this : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list ...a file will open with what look like URLs except they start wit "deb" any lines with a # in front of the deb , remove the # . Then save the file. then do 'sudo apt get update' in the konsole and try to install synaptic again
[03:05] <juan_> hi, all! is there a way to DOWNGRADE from 7.10 to 7.04 without formatting the disk?
[03:05] <harrison> biovore, have you done that?
[03:05] <harrison> like how do you know it will work?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> harrison, I've got the restricted fglrx driver to work ..well sort of
[03:07] <harrison> blue, tell me about please
[03:07] <tehk> Anyone know how to force kde to use Lucida Sans Typewriter for my monospace font? It is not an apotion and I know I have it installed
[03:08] <BluesKaj> harrison, google earth is slow and clunky but it works ...look in system settings advanced / restricted driver/admin mode /enable
[03:08] <biovore> to get SLAB you will need to patch the kernel.. there are some on kernel.org..  SLAB is legacy, and SLUB is what everyone is moving to.  SLUB has some advantages compared to SLAB that most of the kernel developers thinks its a better overall choice..
[03:08] <biovore> But its still a running debate..
[03:09] <Dresken> Ok, it installed it this time :x
[03:09] <MasterShrek> juan, no
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a known issue with mtp devices in gutsy?
[03:10] <|jason|> when doing an upgrade with adept -- i get the follwing error : There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:10] <biovore> probably.. its a microsoft standard the changes daily..
[03:10] <|jason|> how should i go about fixing it?
[03:10] <juan> MasterShrek: surely its posible just not recomended
[03:11] <BluesKaj> ok Dresken , now open synaptic/edit/fix broken packages/apply
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> biovore: this isn't a new player and was working fine in gutsy
[03:12] <Dresken> Actually synaptic installed vlc for me
[03:12] <Dresken> lol
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it hasn't changed
[03:12] <BluesKaj> adept is really causing some havoc with gutsy , it's become a PITA
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> become?
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> you mean it wasn't already?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> yes Dresken , that's the whole idea :)
[03:12]  * biovore agrees with BluesKaj
[03:12] <Lachlan> at  http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs is the "cs" command neseccary?
[03:12] <Jucato> yes
[03:13] <Jucato> didn't I say, follow it very carefully?
[03:13] <juan> juan_ if you were to change your sources then change your preferd version then upgrade it would be v.tricky but posible, but probably not worth it
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> !mtp
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <Lachlan> yes but i cant get that command to work
[03:13] <Dresken> Thanks for the help BluesKaj
[03:13] <BluesKaj> np Dresken :)
[03:13] <Jucato> Lachlan: which means you didn't follow the guide carefully... you didn't copy the .bashrc contents
[03:14] <biovore> Lachlan: the cs tihngs looks like its something require for cmake
[03:14] <biovore> Its looks like its something they add to there bash enviroment..
[03:14] <Jucato> biovore: it isn't
[03:14] <Jucato> yes, it's added to .bashrc
[03:14] <Jucato> but not for cmake
[03:15] <Lachlan> so how would i make it? it being the .bashrc?
[03:15] <Jucato> Lachlan: again, the instructions are all there in the guide...
[03:15] <BluesKaj> well folks , time for the sack here ...take care all , 99
[03:15] <Lachlan> lol i dont read enough i found out
[03:16] <bazhang> does anyone know the ubuntu mobile channel?
[03:16] <Jucato> Lachlan: specifically this part: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Setting_up_the_environment
[03:16] <bazhang> #ubuntu-motu?
[03:16] <Jucato> !mobile | bazhang
[03:16] <ubotu> bazhang: Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[03:16] <Jucato> er.. motu is different
[03:17] <bazhang> thanks Jucato!
[03:20] <|jason|> when doing an upgrade with adept -- i get the follwing error : There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. -- how do i resolve this?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> |jason|: adept gets more evil by the day
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> from a command line, try 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[03:23] <|jason|> ok - cool
[03:23] <navets> help
[03:24] <navets> how do i get ksynaptic working
[03:24] <navets> i downloaded it
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> kynaptic is worthless
[03:24] <navets> I didnt have a touchpad section in my xorg
[03:24] <navets> what should I get
[03:24] <|jason|> Daisuke_Ido: whats the suggested replacement for adept? -- esp the alerting features?
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> synaptic or stick with adept
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> |jason|: adept is about all there is as far as alerting on the kde side
[03:24] <navets> Daisuke_Ido: what should i get
[03:24] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: didn't he say ksynaptic? not kynaptic?
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: i thought that was a typo
[03:25] <|jason|> BLECH
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> !kynaptic
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kynaptic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <Jucato> 2 different things
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> !ksynaptic
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksynaptic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[03:25] <Jucato> ksynaptics is a KDE frontend to synaptics
[03:25]  * Daisuke_Ido is humbled
[03:25] <Jucato> touchpad thingy
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> oooooh
[03:25] <navets> how do i get that touchpad thingy to work
[03:25] <navets> because it sucks lol
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ksynaptic is okay then :)
[03:25] <Jucato> kynaptic is a dead project
[03:26] <hydrogen> but ksynaptic isn't!
[03:26] <navets> how do i get ksynaptic working
[03:27] <|jason|> Daisuke_Ido: i had 62 packages installed partially or some such thing - no wonder this systems been acting lilike a total flake
[03:30] <hydrogen> mv /usr/bin/adept /usr/bin/ksynaptic && ksynaptic
[03:30] <BigDaddy> hey guys, simple question. Is there a way to batch rename several pictures in Konqueror like Halloween 01, Halloween 02 ?
[03:30] <hydrogen> !rename | BigDaddy
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rename - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <hydrogen> grr
[03:31] <kumar> hi there
[03:31] <BigDaddy> Konq or Dolphin really
[03:31] <hydrogen> use krename
[03:31] <kumar> is there any tool like ms visio for kubuntu
[03:31] <frank23> !krename
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krename - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <dgrub> how do i set wine up to use files from my WinXP partition?
[03:31] <hydrogen> mount the windows partition
[03:31] <hydrogen> then run wine on the executables
[03:31] <hydrogen> !ntfs | dgrub
[03:31] <ubotu> dgrub: ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:32] <dgrub> what about the libaries from WinXP?
[03:32] <Dresken> speaking of mounting I can't seem to mount my external HDD, any idea why? o_o
[03:33] <Dresken> Keeps showing "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[03:33] <BigDaddy> hydrogen: I found krename, but that is just using another app. Is there no file manager intergration that you know of?
[03:33] <hydrogen> not that I know of
[03:33] <ronin_> Evening everyone. Active tonight
[03:34] <bazhang> hi!
[03:34] <Angelus> !aptfix
[03:34] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[03:34] <ronin_> Has anyone on Gutsy upgraded to the latest ATI fglrx drivers? 8.42 etc?
[03:35] <BigDaddy> Never mind all. Dolphin allows simple mass rename with F2 and many files highlighted
[03:36] <BigDaddy> Konq does not though
[03:38] <ronin_> Would anyone know when the latest ati non-free drivers will show up on the repository perchance?
[03:39] <ronin_> I'm a little nervous about doing the manual install.
[03:40] <Merritt> ronin_: Yes, I am using the 8.42.3 driver myself. As for the repo, you'll probably have to wait a very long time for it to show up there (and this release probably never will)
[03:41] <genii> Seeing as the latest ported is only 8.28.8 I'd say so
[03:41] <Merritt> and 8.42 isn't exactly the most stable thing in the world.
[03:42] <ronin_> Merritt: I found this guide to installation http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide Is this wise to use over the instructions on the ATI site?
[03:42] <ronin_> I heard 8.42 has support for both 3d apps and compiz-fusion, so thats primarily why I'm interested
[03:42] <genii> ronin_: Yes. I used those same to make the neccesary debs for 8.41.7
[03:43] <Merritt> ronin_: Yes, that is the guide that I followed to the -T-, and it works very well. Do be aware however, as I said, this driver release is not 100% stable. It added AIGLX support, but it's a bit buggy. You may want to wait for the next release, which will hopefully polish that up a bit.. I can run Compiz fine, but it bogs the computer down something horrible after about 40 mins.
[03:43] <Merritt> ronin_: 3D accel yes, OpenGL however is somewhat bugged in this driver release
[03:44] <ronin_> Ouch. I was looking forward to running OpenGL applications.
[03:44] <genii> The composite was somewhat messy in 8.41.7  the newest I dunno yet
[03:44] <Merritt> ronin_: Also, be aware that if you have XGL installed (from playing with Beryl or whatnot before) you must REMOVE it before installing the new driver
[03:45] <ronin_> Merritt: Oh, I don't think I have anything thatdidn't come with a native install of 7.10
[03:45] <Merritt> ronin_: OpenGL works, but only with tweaks, and again, it bogs down the system with use
[03:46] <Merritt> ronin_: You shouldn't have to worry about XGL then :)
[03:46] <Merritt> What driver are you using right now, btw?
[03:46] <Merritt> 8.40?
[03:46] <ronin_> I'm using the standard ati (free) driver, not a fglrx
[03:46] <Merritt> Ah, okay
[03:47] <ronin_> Would it be wise to install the version in the repository, enable it in the restricted driver manager, and use it until a more stable version arrives?
[03:47] <|jason|> Err http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org dapper/3v1n0 amule 2.1.3-3v1-2ubuntu1dapper3
[03:47] <|jason|>   302 Found
[03:47] <|jason|> Err http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org dapper/3v1n0 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.6-3v1ubuntu0
[03:47] <|jason|>   302 Found
[03:47] <|jason|> Failed to fetch http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/pool/dapper/3v1n0/amule_2.1.3-3v1-2ubuntu1dapper3_i386.deb  302 Found
[03:47] <|jason|> Failed to fetch http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/pool/dapper/3v1n0/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-3v1ubuntu0_i386.deb  302 Found
[03:47] <|jason|>  
[03:47] <Merritt> Well, it's up to you: Some people have had better luck than others. I CAN run Compiz, everything enables, beautifully, fast, etc... but as I said, it starts to bog down the system. Not everyone has experienced this, but it seems very common. And _everyone_ is having trouble with OpenGL in this release. You might want to just try the 8.40 fglrx driver for now - opengl works for the most part in that release
[03:47] <|jason|> what do i do now?
[03:48] <ronin_> !pastebin
[03:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:48] <|jason|> ive tried the apt-get -f install -- it reports no errors
[03:48] <ronin_> jason: try pasting your output there so the gurus can help you. Its hard to read in the chan
[03:48] <|jason|> ok
[03:48] <Merritt> ronin_: You might want to try Envy: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:49] <Merritt> I've used it before and it has worked quite well in my experience. It is hosting the 8.40 driver, last I checked (4 days ago or so)
[03:49] <ronin_> Merritt: I think I'll try installing the 8.40.  I've heard nothing but bad things about Envy, though?
[03:49] <|jason|> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42777/ == ok theres my paste -- i just want to be able to get this upgrade done so i can go to sleep
[03:50] <|Toad> hello everyone
[03:50] <|Toad> i've been using gutsy gibbon for a few days, and i have a really odd problem
[03:51] <|Toad> is there touchpad options anywhere?  i seemd to have looked everywhere but can't find them
[03:51] <Merritt> ronin_: Regarding envy, I've heard "warnings" about it, but no actual bad stories from experience. I don't know if the warnings are valid or not, really, but Envy has worked quite well for me the 3 times I used it. The only thing to keep in mind is that you may have to manually edit you xorg.conf - it did not configure it properly for me.
[03:52] <|jason|> the package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics -- is that a touchpad driver?
[03:52] <GuHHH> does anyone uses chrooted apache with phpldapadmin?
[03:53] <|Toad> |jason|:  i dont know
[03:53] <hydrogen> !touchpad
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <hydrogen> !synaptics
[03:53] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[03:53] <n8k99> !touchscreen
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchscreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <|jason|> ok
[03:55] <|jason|> !xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[03:55] <ronin_> Merritt: Would using the Restricted Driver Manager  sort of do the same thing perchance? Right now, the fglrx drivers are unchecked, and I figured that checking them would download and install automatically etc...
[03:56] <Merritt> ronin_: Only the driver from the repo, which is quite old. It is, however "supposedly" tested on ubuntu for stability. I wouldn't know, it wouldn't work with my card, it was too new. Had to wget a driver just to run the livecd.
[03:57] <ronin_> Ouch. Looks like its 8.37 on there now according to adept
[03:58] <ronin_> What card might you be using?
[03:58] <Merritt> Really? That's not as old as I woulda thought.
[03:58] <Merritt> I'm using the Mobility x1400
[03:58] <ronin_> Oh I'm on an old Mobility x600
[03:59] <Lachlan> ha i think i will give up on following the KDE beta 4 and just install beta 3 i stuffed up too much
[03:59] <utnubuk> hello, I am trying to learn ssh and I am having a hard time figuring out how to copy files from a remote system to my local machine.  is scp the proper command to use?
[03:59] <Merritt> Well you could always just enable the driver - but a question first. Are you comfortable using nano? :)
[04:00] <ronin_> Hehe. Not particuarly ^^;
[04:00] <ronin_> I'll give Envy a go
[04:00] <Dresken> Another question :x
[04:00] <Merritt> Mmm..
[04:01] <Dresken> I'm trying to mount an NTFS extermal HDD but it won't mount for some reason and keeps showing me this
[04:01] <Merritt> 2 things you can do before you try anything:
[04:01] <Dresken> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)
[04:01] <Dresken> Failed to mount ‘/dev/sdc1′: Operation not supported
[04:01] <Dresken> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use
[04:01] <Merritt> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[04:02] <Merritt> That'll create a backup of your old xorg, incase you need it
[04:02] <frojnd> !ati
[04:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:02] <Merritt> And write down a few commands, on paper or print it or whatever:
[04:02] <Merritt> sudo aticonfig --initial --force
[04:02] <Merritt> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[04:03] <Merritt> If the system fails to load X after reboot, you can enter those aticonfig commands to try and fix it
[04:03] <ronin_> Oh thanks, I'll do that now, before anything gets eaten
[04:04] <Merritt> and if that doesn't work, you can: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak /etc/X11/xorg.conf    to restore your old xorg settings
[04:05] <Merritt> Hopefully nothing of that will be needed for you, but I know what it can be like to be stuck at a black screen with a prompt going "Wtf do I do to fix THIS?" lol:)
[04:08] <kayzonday> oh yeah
[04:08] <kayzonday> kubuntu is awsome
[04:08] <Merritt> ... random much?
[04:09] <ronin_> Great. Got that written down. Here goes nothin! Thanks your your help, Merritt. You've helped a great deal
[04:09] <rickey> my amrok wont open ,i click it and the icon dances on the desktop a little bit , and just goes away with nothing happening
[04:09] <Merritt> ronin_: No prob, hope it goes well for ya. :)
[04:09] <Merritt> rickey: Have you tried to kill the process, then open amarok?
[04:10] <rickey> i know nothing about killing the prosses
[04:11] <Merritt> .. is Amarok in your system tray? :) Maybe it's already open, and you need to click that to bring it up ^_^
[04:11] <rickey> no it isnt
[04:11] <mike-kubuntu> hey, i know this is off topic, but how can i tell if my computer supports ddr, or ddr2 ram?
[04:11] <Merritt> k. rickey: press these two keys on the keyboard: Ctrl and Esc
[04:11] <Merritt> when the box pops up, type in the search box "amarok"
[04:12] <Lachlan> how do i get the export command to work?
[04:12] <Merritt> click on "amarokapp" then click the "kill" button
[04:12] <Merritt> then try running amarok again
[04:12] <hydrogen> rickey: did you just recently upgrade to gutsy?
[04:12] <Merritt> mike-kubuntu: Don't suppose you have your computer or motherboard manual around? :)
[04:13] <mike-kubuntu> Merritt: neg, its across the country, i know i have an athlon X2 3000+ right now though
[04:13] <mike-kubuntu> not sure if that helps
[04:13] <rickey> yes
[04:14] <Merritt> mike-kubuntu super, if you know the model just look it up on the vendor website. They should have the manual in a pdf or something - the manual is always the easiest way to check for support and upgrades
[04:14] <Merritt> It'll tell you specifically if it supports what types of ram and how much
[04:14] <mike-kubuntu> Merritt: would it be a cpu or a motherboard support issue?
[04:14] <hydrogen> rickey: the kubuntu upgrade broke Amarok starting for a lot of people... try running amarok -wizard from alt-f2 or the command line
[04:15] <Merritt> mike-kubuntu: the motherboard.
[04:15] <|Toad> thank you for helping me with the touchpad, the synaptics touchpad driver did the trick.   what I can't figure out though is why the right corners of hte touch pad were pre-set to middle click and right click
[04:15] <mike-kubuntu> Merritt: thanks, and cool, i've been search for an equivalent to ctrl alt delete in linux for a long time, never knew kde had a default
[04:16] <mike-kubuntu> hate searching with top
[04:16] <Merritt> mike-kubuntu: Yeah, you can kill from bash too but Ctrl + Esc is more user-friendly
[04:16] <rickey> didnt work
[04:17] <hydrogen> amarok -wizard did not?
[04:17] <rickey> no
[04:17] <rickey>  it said could not run
[04:18] <hydrogen> what said that?
[04:18] <hydrogen> and where di it say that
[04:18] <rickey> run command
[04:18] <hydrogen> and what did it exactly say
[04:19] <rickey> Could not run the specified command.
[04:19] <mike-kubuntu> how do you find out what the name of a window is for use with ccsm etc, i'm trying to find out the name of the kmenu and amarok's OSD
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> bleh, i still wanna know why my mp3 player won't work with amarok or rhythmbox anymore :\
[04:20] <jords> My network light is flashing like crazy on my laptop - I think it's just sending data to my desktop for some reason because my internet usage is'nt rising but can anyone point me to a program to see what programs is using the network and where they are sending data?
[04:20] <hydrogen> wireshark
[04:21] <jords> that won't tell me what program though will it.. thought it only displayed the packets
[04:22] <mike-kubuntu> nvm, found xwininfo ^ ^
[04:23] <rickey> hydrogen  where do i sart to look for the proublem
[04:23] <rickey> amarok was working yesterday
[04:23] <rickey> do i start
[04:24] <hydrogen> rickey: try moving ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/  to someplace else
[04:24] <hydrogen> and starting amarok
[04:24] <rickey> i have no ideal how to do that
[04:26] <genii> mike-kubuntu: Some interesting info here as well, "Tip of the Week" section http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/
[04:26] <mike-kubuntu> rickey: mv ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc.bak
[04:27] <rickey> and what do i do with that mike
[04:27] <rickey> ??
[04:28] <genii> rickey: open up a Konsole to enter that command.
[04:28] <rickey> ooooooooooooooo ok
[04:29] <Lam_> i'm compiling mplayer from source, but it doesn't seem to pick up the fact that i have libdvdnav-dev installed. am i doing something wrong?
[04:30] <mike-kubuntu> genii: is the windo id always the same on reboot?
[04:30] <genii> mike-kubuntu: So far for me, yes
[04:31] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$ mv ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc ~/.kde/share/config/amaro                                                              krc.bak
[04:31] <rickey> mv: cannot stat `/home/rickey/.kde/share/config/amarokrc': No such file or direc                                                              tory
[04:31] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$
[04:32] <rickey> boy ive realy scewed up
[04:32] <genii> rickey: The path is correct, etc. Just it's not there. You typed it all in fine :)
[04:33] <rickey> how do i fix it
[04:33] <rickey> if it can be done
[04:34] <rickey> i uninstalled and reinstalled ,but it had no differance
[04:34] <rickey> but it made no differance
[04:34] <genii> rickey: Try instead from Konsole:  mv ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok-backup
[04:35] <genii> rickey: If you have amarok open anywhere close it first
[04:35] <genii> rickey: Then after you move that file, open amarok up again
[04:36] <mike-kubuntu> genii: role=osd is safe if the id ever changes
[04:36] <genii> mike-kubuntu: :)
[04:36] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$  mv ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok-backup
[04:36] <rickey> mv: cannot stat `/home/rickey/.kde/share/apps/amarok': No such file or directory
[04:36] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$
[04:38] <genii> rickey: Are you sure you are running kubuntu with KDE desktop and not regular ubuntu with Gnome desktop?
[04:38] <rickey> yes i run kubuntu 710
[04:38] <genii> hmm
[04:39] <genii> rickey: Please tell me the result of command in Konsole:  ls -ld ~/.kde
[04:39] <rickey> could my link between the icon and the opening progran be messed up
[04:40] <rickey> ok ill try
[04:40] <genii> rickey: Conceivably, however that still would not explain why nprevios          runtime data for the program if you have executed it some time previouuuuuuuuusly
[04:40] <genii> Bah keyboard is messed a bit :(
[04:41] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$  ls -ld ~/.kde
[04:41] <rickey> drwx------ 5 rickey rickey 4096 2007-09-29 13:22 /home/rickey/.kde
[04:41] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$
[04:42] <Lachlan> kool im using kde4 on kubuntu
[04:42] <genii> rickey: Are you running kde4 or kde3? Tell by: rightclick on K menu...Panel Menu...Help... About KDE
[04:43] <genii> might say something like 3.5.8 or such at top with the cute dragon, etc
[04:44] <rickey> 3.5.8
[04:44] <genii> OK, so dir ~/.kde should be correct
[04:44]  * Jucato hands genii a barrel of coffee
[04:44] <mike-kubuntu> how would i enable bluring on windows that are faded in ccsm
[04:44] <genii> Jucato: :) Thanks muchly
[04:44] <Jucato> although that should have been beer right?
[04:45]  * Jucato looks at his clock
[04:45] <rickey> jucato good beer (anttime)
[04:46] <genii> rickey: Ok, let us make sure it is not currently de-installed. from Konsole:   sudo apt-get remove --purge amarok ; sudo apt-get install amarok
[04:46] <genii> If the remove part fails don't sweat it
[04:46]  * Jucato scrolls up to see the problem
[04:46] <rickey> from konsole?
[04:46] <genii> rickey: Yes please
[04:48] <genii> rickey: After this when back on the desktop, hit f5 key. Then try to run amarok from the menu....multimedia............amarok
[04:48] <genii> Geez my repeat rate is screwy or something
[04:48] <rickey> [sudo] password for rickey:
[04:49] <rickey> Reading package lists... Done
[04:49] <rickey> Building dependency tree
[04:49] <rickey> Reading state information... Done
[04:49] <rickey> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[04:49] <rickey>   python-launchpad-integration
[04:49] <rickey> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[04:49] <Jucato> !flood | rickey
[04:49] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:49] <rickey> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[04:49] <rickey>   amarok* amarok-xine*
[04:49] <rickey> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:49] <rickey> Need to get 0B of archives.
[04:49] <rickey> After unpacking 32.0MB disk space will be freed.
[04:49] <rickey> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[04:49] <rickey> yes  or no ????
[04:49] <genii> rickey Yes
[04:49] <genii> rickey: Please do not paste more than 2 lines in a row here. There is a website for this,
[04:50] <Jucato> rickey: next time, please use a pastebin. thanks
[04:50] <genii> !paste|rickey
[04:50] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:50]  * Jucato is glad he didn't have to be mean today
[04:51] <genii> !helpersnack | Jucato
[04:51] <ubotu> Jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:51] <genii> ;)
[04:51] <Jucato> hehe
[04:51] <rickey> ok now what
[04:52] <genii> rickey: Try to run amarok, by Kmenu...Multimedia...Amarok
[04:52] <genii> It should be at factory defaults now
[04:53] <genii> As such, since it didn't actually come from a factory :)
[04:53] <rickey> didnt open
[04:53] <Jucato> genii: did he remove the amarokrc in his $HOME?
[04:54] <rickey> ok how do i do that
[04:54] <genii> Jucato: There did not exist an amarokrc in the ~/.kde/share/config  , nor did a file exist in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[04:54] <Jucato> hm....
[04:55] <rickey> should i uninsatall and reinstall again
[04:55] <Jucato> hm...
[04:56] <genii> rickey: We have just now by the commands into Konsole already purged and reinstalled it
[04:56] <Jucato> (try running from Konsole to see that happens?)
[04:56] <genii> Hmm
[04:56] <omz> hi , is anyone runing kubuntu in 800x600?
[04:57] <rickey> please write the command
[04:57]  * Jucato gets back to writing and leaves it all to genii kaffeine hands
[04:57] <mike-kubuntu> 'night guys
[04:57] <Jucato> rickey: "amarok"
[04:57] <genii> rickey: hit instead, ALT-F2 , a "Run" window will appear. Into this, type:  amarok                           and then run it
[04:57] <genii> WAIT
[04:58] <genii> bah, IRC is transposing the percent sign U
[04:58] <genii> %U
[04:58] <rickey> ok
[04:58] <genii> OK, in the run window:   amarok % U
[04:59] <Jucato> genii: type % twice to get %U
[04:59] <Jucato> genii: btw, he doesn't need the %U there
[04:59] <genii> Jucato: LOL Yeah i caught it after I        realised
[04:59] <rickey> it dont matter it,s not opening
[04:59] <Jucato> rickey: try it in Konsole then. type "amarok"
[05:00] <genii> Jucato: I'm just putting whats in my menu entry for it since I know it runs here, etc
[05:00] <genii> Hmmm
[05:00] <Jucato> genii: %U means "accepts multiple URL's as command parameters"
[05:01] <genii> Interesting. Thats the default parameter then
[05:01] <Jucato> yep. it's not absolutely necessary. but it does come in handy when, say, you pass amarok a URL/file
[05:01] <genii> rickey: Did you do something recently like change permissions of your home folder, or move it someplace then back again?
[05:03] <rickey> i was tryin the otherday to make a hyperlink to a audio file that opened with amarok
[05:03] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anybody wanna help me make my ip static so i can run a webserver
[05:03] <hydrogen> try strace -o amarok.log amarokapp
[05:03] <rickey> but i couldnt get it to work
[05:04] <rickey> hydor  was that for me?
[05:04] <hydrogen> yes
[05:04] <hydrogen> or
[05:04] <hydrogen> just strace amarokapp
[05:04] <hydrogen> and then pastebin the last bunch of lines
[05:04] <genii> AT0M1CB0MB3R: You need to call your ISP and let them know you want one. You can't just make up a static one out of the blue to use.
[05:05] <hydrogen> and they will probably charge more for it
[05:06] <genii> AT0M1CB0MB3R: An alternative is some service like dyndns and then a linux client like ez-ipupdate
[05:06] <rickey> it just opened
[05:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> genii: i meant my internal
[05:06] <hydrogen> well
[05:06] <hydrogen> thats random!
[05:06] <hydrogen> but I guess thats good
[05:06] <hydrogen> :)
[05:06] <genii> hydrogen: Yes, extremely random!
[05:06] <hydrogen> quit it
[05:06] <hydrogen> try running amarok
[05:07] <hydrogen> if it doesn't work
[05:07] <hydrogen> try running amarokapp
[05:07] <rickey> it opened again
[05:07] <hydrogen> cool
[05:07] <hydrogen> it shouldn't have
[05:07] <hydrogen> but
[05:07] <hydrogen> if it does
[05:07] <hydrogen> then yay
[05:08] <genii> AT0M1CB0MB3R: If your internal machines are assigned numbers from a router, go to admin page of router by webserver and set it to always give same IP to the MAC address of that machine
[05:08] <rickey> yea if it ant broke dont fix it
[05:09] <genii> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Then with admin privelege edit file /etc/apache2/ports.conf   and put x.x.x.x:80         where the x.x.x.x  is IP you have assigned it. Restart apache2 then by  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[05:09] <rickey> ok still have a proulben
[05:10] <rickey> to open amarok i hafe to start it from run
[05:11] <rickey> with this strace -o amarok.log amarokapp
[05:11] <rickey> i cant start it from k menu
[05:12] <genii> I wonder if strace is setuid
[05:13] <hydrogen> no
[05:13] <hydrogen> rickey: open a konsole
[05:13] <genii> Didn't think so
[05:13] <hydrogen> and try running amarok
[05:13] <hydrogen> does it work?
[05:13] <rickey> running it from where?
[05:13] <hydrogen> konsole
[05:13] <hydrogen> its in the tools section of the kmenu
[05:14] <hydrogen> err
[05:14] <hydrogen> utilities
[05:14] <hydrogen> err
[05:14] <hydrogen> system
[05:14] <hydrogen> system->konsole
[05:14] <Lynoure> genii: sometimes it's a matter of stracing it slowing it ever so lightly
[05:14] <rickey> ok guy,s i got the info
[05:15] <hydrogen> did it start?
[05:15] <rickey>  but it,s going to take a lot of page space
[05:15] <hydrogen> don't paste it
[05:15] <rickey> no
[05:15] <hydrogen> did it start?
[05:15] <hydrogen> okay
[05:15] <hydrogen> try running amarokap
[05:15] <hydrogen> err
[05:15] <hydrogen> amarokapp
[05:15] <hydrogen> instead
[05:16] <rickey> rickey@hom-computer:~$  strace -o amarok.log amarokapp
[05:16] <rickey> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 158
[05:16] <rickey>   Major opcode:  146
[05:16] <rickey>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <genii> NOOOOOOOOOOO
[05:16] <rickey>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <hydrogen> don't paste it in here.
[05:16] <rickey> Failed to open device
[05:16] <genii> rickey: STOP
[05:16] <hydrogen> www.pastebin.ca
[05:16] <rickey> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 158
[05:16] <hydrogen> paste it on there
[05:16] <rickey>   Major opcode:  146
[05:16] <hydrogen> ohmy
[05:16] <rickey>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <Lynoure> it's gonna be very very long....
[05:16] <genii> ^$&^@&#$ he knows about pastebin too
[05:16] <rickey>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <rickey> Failed to open device
[05:16] <rickey> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x814b688 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "play_pause"
[05:16] <rickey> QLayout "unnamed" added to QVBox "unnamed", which already has a layout
[05:16] <rickey> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x814b688 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "play_pause"
[05:16] <rickey> QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow
[05:16] <rickey> QObject::connect: Incompatible sender/receiver arguments
[05:16] <rickey>         StarManager::ratingsColorsChanged() --> ContextBrowser::ratingOrScoreOrLabelsChanged(const QString&)
[05:16] <rickey> STARTUP
[05:17] <hydrogen> hey Jucato ^
[05:17] <hydrogen> wait..
[05:17] <hydrogen> are we done?
[05:17] <genii> looks like
[05:17] <hydrogen> I hope so!
[05:17] <Jucato> rickey: last warning. DO NOT paste multiple lines in here. use pastebin
[05:17] <DjBliZZZard> Ok... quick one... cannot seem to find a kde.desktop session file for gutsy, to get kde4 listed in kdm...
[05:17] <DjBliZZZard> The old directions listed on kubuntu's site point to files that don't exist for gutsy...
[05:18] <posingaspopular> Jucato: my brother told me that if I try to watch a video file, it wont work in ubuntu. it'll only work in XP. is that true?
[05:18]  * hydrogen goes to bed
[05:18] <hydrogen> it depends on the video
[05:18] <rickey> ok i put it on past bin what now
[05:18] <hydrogen> give the url
[05:18] <posingaspopular> !paste
[05:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:19] <Jucato> posingaspopular: freddy? hm.. depends on the video format like what hydrogen said
[05:19] <posingaspopular> ;p he was trying to use Kaffeine instead of VLC media player.
[05:19] <posingaspopular> my oldest brother, not admiral
[05:19] <Jucato> ah ok
[05:19] <genii> DjBliZZZard: When I installed beta2 it had a way to add it to sessions of kdm here: http://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/29/i-dont-think-were-in-kansas-anymore-how-to-install-kde-4-beta-2-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-beta-710/
[05:19] <Jucato> well, kaffeine needs m more codecs than vlc or mplayer does... so it could be he's missing a codec
[05:20] <hydrogen> vlc is separate codecs though
[05:20] <hydrogen> it's its own codec machine
[05:20] <hydrogen> okay
[05:20] <hydrogen> I'll sleep now
[05:20] <hydrogen> cu!
[05:20] <posingaspopular> i just found the idea funny
[05:21] <rickey> how do you get to look at the post
[05:21] <rickey>  i dont know anything about this stuff
[05:22] <Jucato> rickey:  you give us the link that comes out after you've click on the Paste button
[05:22] <DjBliZZZard> Thanks genii,,, takin alook
[05:22] <DjBliZZZard> almost wonder if I'm missing a package... didn't install the *-dev's
[05:23] <rickey> http://www.pastebin.ca/756125
[05:23] <rickey> is that what you need
[05:23] <hydrogen> thats all the output?
[05:23] <rickey> yyyyyes
[05:23] <hydrogen> okay
[05:24] <hydrogen> try running just amarokapp
[05:24] <hydrogen> from konsole
[05:24] <genii> hydrogen: I think he should pastebin results of cat /usr/share/menu/amarok
[05:24] <genii> rickey: After you copy and paste into the website, hit submit or enter button at bottom. then in the bar of the web browser it gives a url.copy that to here
[05:24] <genii> rickey: Thats the idea :)
[05:24] <genii> Yes
[05:24] <genii> I wonder is ps showing it only once
[05:25] <DjBliZZZard> hmmm... still nadda... the /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/kde.desktop file doesn't exist... nor does /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[05:26] <DjBliZZZard> ahh... hold on... if I pay attention... the directions for Beta 3 changed...
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[05:26] <genii> DjBliZZZard: I haven't yet gone to beta3 so it may be different
[05:28] <rickey> it didnt open
[05:29] <genii> rickey: from   Konsole, the command:  ps ax|grep amarok                          does it show a result or nothing?
[05:29] <DjBliZZZard> Ya... ok... kdebase-workspace has been added :)  brb
[05:30] <sonic> haveing issues with connecting a printer. dmesg shows output when I connect it (usb) but the print test page in KDE is not working. Lexmark 5000.  even dmesg shows the model
[05:30] <sonic> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42783/
[05:31] <brian_> hey, im brand new to kubuntu, so how do I install wine, i heard its a really nice program to have to emulate windows
[05:31] <sonic> brian: sudo apt-get install wine
[05:31] <brian_> th
[05:31] <brian_> *thx
[05:31] <genii> WINE Is Not an Emulator  etc etc
[05:32] <brian_> kk
[05:32] <brian_> is it a parralell?
[05:32] <sonic> as in the Mac parellel?
[05:32] <sonic> no
[05:32] <sonic> its not a VM
[05:32] <brian_> ah
[05:32] <brian_> ok
[05:32] <sonic> you wont get a window with a desktop
[05:32] <genii> It's a compatability layer
[05:32] <brian_> ah thats cool
[05:32] <sonic> it will try to run windows programs semi natively
[05:33] <brian_> sweet
[05:33] <sonic> what program(s) are you looking to run?
[05:33] <genii> rickey: from   Konsole, the command:  ps ax|grep amarok                          does it show a result or nothing?
[05:33] <Jucato> *some* windows programs... not all...
[05:33] <brian_> i was thinking about dreamweaver
[05:33] <brian_> not sure, its a complicated program
[05:33] <brian_> but Im used to it
[05:33] <sonic> make sure to check winehq in the apps database to see if there are any required workarounds
[05:33] <sonic> if they work that is
[05:34] <brian_> or do u have any suggestions of a program to switch over to instead?
[05:34] <sonic> on the website of course
[05:34] <Jucato> !info kompozer
[05:34] <ubotu> kompozer: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.10-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8510 kB, installed size 26160 kB
[05:34] <Jucato> !info quanta
[05:34] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2385 kB, installed size 5744 kB
[05:34] <genii> sonic: What driver did you use for the printer?
[05:34] <Jucato> brian_: those two up there ^^^^
[05:34] <brian_> ah kk thx
[05:35] <kubuntut> how to install network printer in kubuntu?
[05:35] <genii> !info bluefish
[05:35] <ubotu> bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-2 (gutsy), package size 1584 kB, installed size 6756 kB
[05:35] <Jucato> (but it's GTK!!! :P)
[05:35] <rickey> http://www.pastebin.ca/756129
[05:35] <sonic> genii: I just plugged it in, and when I saw hiddev96: "USB HID v1.00 Device [Lexmark  5000 Series] on usb-0000:00:1d.7-3" I figured all should be good
[05:35] <genii> Jucato: LOL I use it anyways LOL
[05:35] <brian_> i want the one w/ the most languages supported
[05:35] <brian_> do u happen to know which that would be
[05:35] <brian_> i can always get used to a new interface
[05:35] <sonic> a synaptic search resulted in no hits for my model
[05:36] <kubuntut> i can't add network printer in kubuntu :(
[05:36] <brian_> i just want to make sure i dont want to have to get used to a new interface for each language I wish to learn
[05:36] <kubuntut> in ubuntu is easy as pie :)
[05:36] <sonic> I was under the impression that (k)ubuntu ships with most drivers
[05:36] <genii> sonic: Most these days do Postscript. so go to system settings...printers  and see if it knows about the printer. If it can't auto set it up try postscript driver
[05:37] <kubuntut> am i ghost?
[05:37] <kubuntut> :)
[05:37] <genii> kubuntut: It's been about 30 seconds. Wait a bit to give someone a chance to reply
[05:37] <kubuntut> pre tulong :P
[05:37] <sonic> genii: I had to go though the model database and pick it out in the "add printer" wizard
[05:37] <sonic> but test page fails
[05:38] <genii> sonic: It prints garbage or just nothing..?
[05:38] <sonic> it doesnt even try
[05:39] <sonic> printer is not recieving it i think
[05:39] <sonic> well KDE doesnt see it fails
[05:39] <kubuntut> its in a windows network machine :)
[05:39] <genii> btw It doesn't see the printer innnnnnnnnnn dmesg as a printer, it recognises the onboard media card or storage and sets it up as a SCSI disk
[05:39] <sonic> just nothing happens
[05:39] <genii> bah repeat rate messy again here
[05:40] <brian_> do u guys know of a program that contains both a wysiwyg and a code editor, so I can check how my design looks while I design it w/o opening up firefox or a web browser
[05:40] <genii> sonic: Try disabling job spooling
[05:41] <sonic> on the machine?
[05:41] <Ahmuck> wasn't kubuntu supposed to have some type of configuration editor so that you could lock stuff down?
[05:41] <genii> sonic: In the system settings..printers...printer tab there, a couple items down
[05:42] <genii> Ahmuck: You are thinking of Gnome, gconf etc etc
[05:42] <Ahmuck> no, i was thinking of kubuntu, i saw it in the beta
[05:42] <Ahmuck> i think
[05:43] <sonic> genii: now I just get error: server-error-not-accepting-jobs
[05:43] <Jucato> !info kiosktool
[05:43] <ubotu> kiosktool: tool to configure the KDE kiosk framework. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-1.1ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 1704 kB
[05:43] <kubuntut> hello
[05:43] <Jucato> Ahmuck: that one? ^^^^
[05:43] <genii> Jucato: Ah, nice :)
[05:44] <sonic> can you believe I run linux for 4 years and never once tried to connect a printer?
[05:44] <genii> sonic: restart cupsd eg: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:44] <kubuntut> wow nobody answering my q :)
[05:44] <kubuntut> re:network printer
[05:44]  * Jucato doesn't know how
[05:44] <Lam_> how do i restore konqueror as the default file manager? dolphin seems a little flimsy
[05:45] <Ahmuck> yes, kde kiosk
[05:45] <kubuntut> :)
[05:45] <Ahmuck> thx Jucato
[05:45] <sonic> well I *could* just restart my comp, but that would be so windozish...
[05:45] <Jucato> Ahmuck: http://techbase.kde.org/SysAdmin
[05:45] <Jucato> !d3lphin | Lam_
[05:45] <ubotu> Lam_: dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[05:45] <Lam_> Jucato: ah nice and simple. thanks
[05:45] <Ahmuck> do u know if kiosk will work for ltsp?
[05:45] <sonic> now I buy this $100 printer which didnt even come with a connecter and i dont work. AH
[05:45] <kubuntut> and why in ubuntu is easy as pie in installing network printer than kubuntu?
[05:46] <sonic> well Ill try restarting the kernel. beh to modules. I havent restarted this thing in 6 months
[05:46] <kubuntut> ok anyway. ask another q.. how to enable/run this compiz-fusion?
[05:47] <sonic> well now I get to try the *new* kernel :)
[05:47] <sonic> brb
[05:47] <Jucato> !compiz | kubuntut
[05:47] <Jucato> you'll have to install it first...
[05:47] <Jucato> hm.. bot's lagging...
[05:47] <kubuntut> do i need to install something first....
[05:47] <kubuntut> just only installed kubuntu
[05:47] <ubotu> kubuntut: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:47] <Jucato> there
[05:48] <kubuntut> salamat pre.  :)
[05:48] <Ahmuck> kubuntut: from turkey?
[05:48] <Jucato> O.o
[05:48] <sonic> crap. I forgot Im compiling todays kde4 svn
[05:48] <sonic> oh well
[05:50]  * genii sips a beer
[05:51] <Jucato> hm..
[05:51]  * Jucato gets some T
[05:51] <tuxwulf> I was wondering...is there a way to start Konversation and automatically login to multiple channels...?
[05:51] <Jucato> tuxwulf: yes
[05:51] <genii> Yes
[05:51] <posingaspopular> genii: you say that everyday around this time
[05:51] <Jucato> yes
[05:51] <posingaspopular> tuxwulf: yes
[05:51] <Jucato> need more confirmation?
[05:51] <genii> posingaspopular: Because it's when I'm at home and no need for coffee LOL
[05:51] <posingaspopular> file->serverlist->edit->autojoin
[05:51] <tuxwulf> Whoa that must be very obvious then ... Somehow I missed it
[05:52] <sonic> what?! gutsy still doesnt have a loading screen for the fdisk checks?
[05:53] <tuxwulf> Yup, found it! Thanks Posing et al....
[05:53] <sonic> well loading screens are overrated anyways I guess
[05:54] <Ahmuck> man, i'm segfaulting all over the place with gutsy
[05:57] <kubuntut> how to make this firefox to be my default browser?
[05:57] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings -> Default Applications
[05:57] <kubuntut> ty
[05:57] <sonic> whohoo. and update. whats the chance its a new shiny driver for the lexmark 5000 series?! :p
[05:58] <sonic> oh. its wine. its ok wine. you cool with me
[05:58] <Jucato> posingaspopular: you need to have your nick changed soon to actuallypopular btw
[05:59] <posingaspopular> but i love being a poser
[05:59] <Jucato> :D
[06:00] <posingaspopular> Jucato: some guy just came into the loco chan. asking for ubuntu help... all the way from egypt
[06:00] <Jucato> O.o
[06:00] <Ahmuck> well, i understand why they took it out of the loop, kiosktool.  it segfaults over and over
[06:00] <sonic> posingaspopular: yeah, Im with you man. screw them haters
[06:01] <sonic> lol
[06:01] <Ahmuck> where would you report a bug with a program?
[06:01] <Jucato> bugs.launchpad.net or bugs.kde.org
[06:01] <genii> bug section of launchpad
[06:01] <Jucato> which of the two, I'm not really sure.
[06:02] <Jucato> (one is specific to *buntu, the other is for KDE)
[06:02] <genii> If it's upstream issue/bug they will know at launchpad :)
[06:02] <posingaspopular> sonic: i just had that conversation in a different chan
[06:02] <Jucato> genii: that's quite a presumption :)
[06:03]  * Jucato sighs... if only it worked perfectly...
[06:03] <Jucato> bah! back to blonting..
[06:03] <genii> Jucato: Well, i reported an apache bug there, they reported back immediately it was upstream issue and the site to report it there
[06:04] <Jucato> genii: hm... lazy buggers... :)
[06:04] <genii> Jucato: LOL yeah maybe just foisting it off
[06:04] <Jucato> (they should be the one to report upstream... to ask a user to report a bug twice in 2 different places...)
[06:04] <sonic> man, what the hell. The lexmark website doesnt have any linux drivers, but they *do* have a colorful flowchart with a dev kit to "create your own" for the linux people
[06:04] <sonic> whats up with that?
[06:04] <sonic> stupid mooches
[06:05] <genii> sonic: Well, linus is after all, much about "create your own" mentality
[06:05] <genii> *linux
[06:05] <sonic> make your own drivers lexmark what the heck
[06:05] <Jucato> !printers
[06:05] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:05] <omz> \quit
[06:05] <sonic> yeah that doesnt mean everyone should just mooch off us
[06:06] <genii> sonic: I had to make my own intel sata driver from the cdrom :)
[06:06] <sonic> cause they are lazy
[06:06] <Jucato> what's the model again?
[06:06] <sonic> its 5000 series
[06:06] <sonic> 5070
[06:07] <Jucato> have you tried this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters
[06:07] <sonic> ooooooo
[06:07] <sonic> google has failed me
[06:07] <Jucato> not sure though... I'm happily HP :)
[06:07] <sonic> I never got that one
[06:07]  * Jucato goes swat some mosquitos...
[06:08]  * sonic enjoys the smoggy air that no mosquito dares in milwaukee
[06:08] <Jucato> sonic: here's a tip when searching for Ubuntu help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community first, http://www.ubuntuforums.org second, and http://www.google.com last
[06:08] <Jucato> oh you can insert http://www.kubuntuforums.net there too
[06:10] <kubuntut> why i cant access this other ntfs hd by default?
[06:11] <kubuntut> again in ubuntu. its good
[06:11] <sonic> jucato: yeah it gives me the lexmark site. and they dont have drivers for my machine
[06:11] <Jucato> sonic: probably check the driver that's closest to your model
[06:12] <Jucato> kubuntut: ntfs-3g should already be there by default. I don't know how Ubuntu does it though
[06:12] <Jucato> well, brb...
[06:12] <kubuntut> yea i wonder why...
[06:12] <kubuntut> i kubuntu i can't...
[06:12] <kubuntut> in live cd its there
[06:14] <genii> sonic: "5000 Color JetPrinter" ?
[06:15] <sonic> x5070
[06:15] <sonic> genii: ^
[06:16] <sonic> all-in-one
[06:17] <sonic> well, its gotta be one of the other models as the printer type
[06:17] <sonic> see its got fax and scan/copy
[06:17] <Ashex> I just mentioned this in #ubuntu, but would any digg users mind digging this? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_is_NOT_causing_aggressive_power_management
[06:17] <sonic> I wonder if I try just the printer models I can get at least the printer to work
[06:21] <genii> sonic: Even more annoying: kit is in rpm format. Also, their download page doesn't recognise you've begun to d/l it and keeps sending it forever. Doesn't make me too confident in Lexmark
[06:23] <rickey> hey geni
[06:23] <rickey>  after i rebooted my computer
[06:23] <rickey>  i had about 50 widows comme up
[06:23] <rickey>  clicked them all off
[06:23] <rickey>  rebooted again
[06:24] <rickey>  and everthing was ok
[06:24] <sonic> oh. its "new" I shoulda known to make sure Im buying a printer thats been out for a bit
[06:24] <rickey> amarok started rigth
[06:24] <sonic> thats why its not working
[06:24] <rickey> and has been ok sence
[06:25] <rickey> but counldnt see them untill i rebooted
[06:25] <rickey> cant figure that one out
[06:26] <sonic> Im gonna try the inkjet drivers. Im assuming the printer in this is still an inkjet.  Ill just have to wait on the other features
[06:27] <JackPhil> can copy a file to a smb directory with konqueror?
[06:27] <JackPhil> right click menu only says paste a url
[06:31] <b0nn> hi I have been fixing a broken ubuntu all day and I have almost finished
[06:31] <b0nn> but I have two packages that *wont* come right
[06:32] <b0nn> I have pasted the out put at http://pastebin.ca/756149
[06:32] <b0nn> If I can fix at(d) then I am done
[06:34] <JackPhil> anyone?
[06:40] <nite613__> Where does networkmanger store it's network details?
[06:40] <nite613__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager says it's in the gconf registry, but there's nothing in there for me
[06:41] <nite613__> My problem is that netowrkmanager is failing to automatically connect to anything, I always have to pick from the list
[06:41] <lovre>  i got a problem with amarok. When i go to Add Media, and click a sound file, it starts playing it automatically, regardless of the checkbox for auto playing state. It then continues to play together with the current song playing in amarok. I can kill the amarok, but the song still plays, until it reaches its end. Why is this happening? It is very annoying... any ideas? Thank you
[06:42] <nite613__> It's as if it is't recording my selections, but the wep key is being stored SOMEWHERE (can't find it)
[06:42] <genii> b0nn: sudo dpkg --configure at
[06:43] <b0nn> invoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed
[06:43] <genii> nite613__: kubuntu does not use gconf, this is a Gnome thing
[06:43] <genii> b0nn: Ok. Let me think then
[06:43] <b0nn> cool
[06:43] <nite613__> genii: Okay, well I figured that, but where does NetworkManager store settings then?
[06:44] <nite613__> Also, I do have other programs that seem to have stored settings in there (camorama for instance)
[06:45] <genii> nite613__: Try ~/.kde/share/configs/knetworkmanagerrc
[06:46] <genii> In there, <anyprogname>rc
[06:46] <genii> b0nn: Did you try already the aptfix thing?
[06:46] <genii> !aptfix
[06:46] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[06:46] <b0nn> nope
[06:46] <nite613__> genii: That's the spot I was looking for, thanks!
[06:47] <genii> b0nn: Just the sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:47] <genii> nite613__: np
[06:47] <b0nn> same again
[06:47] <nite613__> Hmm, looks like that file is set up right (OfflineModeEngabled=False Autostart=true Trusted=true on the network I want) but still it doesn't auto-connect, I have to tell it to
[06:48] <b0nn> genii: I should also say I am running these commands in a chrrot environment
[06:48] <b0nn> chrrot
[06:48] <genii> b0nn: try: sudo apt-get remove --purge at            then the reverse, :  sudo apt-get install at
[06:48] <b0nn> grr
[06:49] <b0nn> ok
[06:49] <genii> chroot shouldn't matter
[06:50] <genii> But whether it works or no I need to leave for sleep soon :)
[06:50] <genii> 2:50AM here and alarm is set for 6:45
[06:50] <b0nn> invoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "stop" failed
[06:50] <b0nn> holy shit!
[06:50] <lovre> Im having so many problems with kubuntu since i installed it....... I dont know how i can continue using it
[06:50] <lovre> nothing is working as should
[06:51] <lovre> i just cant rely on anything to run. And i dont know the moment where everything will block and ill have to restart or logoff to make it work. Thats just not usable :( :( :( :(
[06:51] <genii> b0nn: I suspect it's choking due to no /etc/init.d/atd entry
[06:52] <genii> lovre: Please complain in #kubuntu-devel unless you have a specific issue you need assistance with
[06:52] <b0nn> there is one there
[06:52] <b0nn> but I suspect an issue there as well
[06:53] <ubuntu> hi
[06:53] <genii> b0nn: So then maybe try starting it then rerun the apt-get series
[06:53] <b0nn> if I start it then check with ps, there is no process associated with it
[06:54] <b0nn> I have pasted the /etc/init.d/atd script at http://pastebin.ca/756156
[06:55] <genii> b0nn: Bleh. I'm too fuzzy at this point to debug it. I'll be back in 6 hours for a stretch of 8 hours if you have not solved it by that time. I must sleep
[06:55] <b0nn> cool
[06:55] <b0nn> thanks
[06:55] <genii> b0nn: Since a generic issue you may also find help in general #ubuntu channel
[06:55] <b0nn> ok
[06:55] <genii> goodnight all
[07:11] <fortruth> it's aftenon.now.here hehe .
[07:12] <Jucato> same here...
[07:12] <xevious> anyone here play warzone 2100?
[07:13] <Epox_Ardere__> can anyone here help me with some wireless driver issues
[07:25] <Assid> hey
[07:26] <Assid> alright i got a laptop with me that refuses to boot with grub.. stupid sibbling thought it would be fun to "repair windows"
[07:26] <rsusmeet> hi
[07:26] <Assid> noanyone know what to do ?
[07:27] <rsusmeet> send messages
[07:27] <rsusmeet> and u wil get replu
[07:29] <Jucato> Assid: you don't see the GRUB menu anymore? it just boots straight to windows?
[07:30] <Assid> no menu anymore.. stuck in grub
[07:31] <blubb> hello guys, my function keys for volume up and down are working but no osd is displayed when changing the volume. Do you know why?
[07:31] <Jucato> !grub | Assid
[07:31] <ubotu> Assid: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:32] <Angelus> !aptfix
[07:32] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:32] <Jucato> blubb: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Service Manager, check if KMilo is running
[07:32] <Assid> Jucato: i cant mount
[07:33] <Assid> not letting me mount the drive..
[07:48] <mohi> hi all
[07:49] <mohi> I have kubuntu 7.10 but I can't get the conqueror online! what should I do?
[07:51] <kraut> moin
[07:51] <corporeal> test
[07:51] <icewater1an> mohi: you should try konqueror first
[07:52] <icewater1an> and you also should check wether your internet connection is working at all and if necessary all proxies required are set
[07:55] <WaltzingAlong> !info kmilo-legacy | blubb
[07:55] <ubotu> blubb: kmilo-legacy: non-standard plugins for KMilo. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 111 kB, installed size 404 kB
[07:56] <mohi> I can surf the web by FF by not in Konqueror!
[07:56] <mohi> icewaterman: tanx for your attention! I'm online now! I can work with kopete! (I use GPRS+USB cable) but konqueror...
[07:56] <mohi> icewaterman: I get this message:
[07:56] <mohi> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com:Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/.
[07:56] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: so set the proxy the same as in firefox
[07:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !ping
[07:57] <ubotu> pong
[07:57] <icewaterman> mohi: check your proxy settings
[07:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !pong
[07:57] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[07:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> haha
[07:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> alright well time for me to go
[07:58] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: konqueror/settings/configure konqueror/proxy
[07:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> bye guys
[07:58] <WaltzingAlong> AT0M1CB0MB3R: later
[07:59] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: hi. 1st: tanx!
[08:00] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: got it surfing?
[08:00] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: I dont use proxy but I set the proxy to find automatic! but it said "couldn't find the wright setting'
[08:01] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: :( no!
[08:01] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: :) well if you are not using a proxy just as well have it set to connect directly
[08:02] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: first it was "directly" but when I saw I can't get connected, I changed to "detect automaticaly" but :(
[08:03] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: what is the setting in firefox? firefox/edit/preferences/advanced/network/settings/
[08:03] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me where i can get codecs for my kubuntu?
[08:03] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | ubuntu
[08:03] <ubotu> ubuntu: kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[08:03] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | ubuntu
[08:03] <ubotu> ubuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:04] <ubuntu> thank u
[08:04] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: It's connect directly to internet! same as konqueror!
[08:06] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: do you see the same cannot connect message for all sites in konqueror? www.yahoo.com or what about using the number? http://64.233.167.99
[08:07] <mohi> WaltzingAlong:
[08:07] <mohi> An error occurred while loading http://www.yahoo.com:Could not connect to host http://www.yahoo.com/.
[08:08] <mohi> An error occurred while loading http://64.233.167.99:Could not connect to host http://64.233.167.99/.
[08:09] <emilsedgh> mohi: go to Tools->HTML Settings->Cache Policy, change it
[08:10] <penba> does anybody know how I could make kdm display vertically (as in on a rotated monitor)?
[08:10] <penba> Or maybe how to run xrandr automatically right after kdm loads?
[08:10] <mohi> emilsedgh: hey... how R U ?
[08:11] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: is it set to offline browsing mode?
[08:11] <emilsedgh> mohi: thanks :P
[08:11] <mohi> emilsedgh: ok... 1 min plz
[08:13] <emilsedgh> mohi: please tell me the result, this looks like a common problem
[08:16] <mohi> emilsedgh: ooh! when I try www.yahoo.com, It redirects to m.yahoo.com (this is the adres foe mobile phones I guss) and shows the source codes!
[08:16] <mohi> emilsedgh: I disables the cache and above was the resolt!
[08:16] <mohi> *result
[08:17] <emilsedgh> mohi: check you Browser Identification, Tools->Change Browser Identification, if its 'Default Identification', i think its not Konqueror's faut
[08:17] <emilsedgh> s/faut/fault
[08:19] <mohi> WaltzingAlong: it was NOT set to offline mode! I changed everything but no good results!
[08:22] <WaltzingAlong> mohi: did you check on emilsedgh's suggestion about browser id?
[08:22] <icewaterman> what happened to de.archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:23] <mohi> emilsedgh: yes! It's the default! I even changed it to IE6 in XP but noting changed!
[08:23] <emilsedgh> mohi: i think its not Konqueror's problem, give it some time, try other sites...
[08:23] <icewaterman> mohi: what did you configure proxies to?
[08:23] <WaltzingAlong> icewaterman: direct
[08:25] <icewaterman> WaltzingAlong: well konqueror works for me (i have no proxy settings configured either)
[08:25] <WaltzingAlong> icewaterman: right works for me as well. mohi is having issues
[08:26] <mohi> icewaterman: first I checked everything with: "connect directly", but nothing worked! then I refered to my phone setting for GPRS, it was set to 10.131.26.138 on port 8080 for http
[08:27] <icewaterman> mohi: what is firefox set to?
[08:27] <icewaterman> directly as well or even autodetect?
[08:27] <icewaterman> because there is a difference in those two.
[08:27] <mohi> icewaterman: I set my proxy to these numbers but nothing happend!
[08:27] <deckarz> de.archive.ubuntu.com is down for me too
[08:27] <icewaterman> you said firefox works
[08:28] <icewaterman> deckarz: it works only sometimes.
[08:28] <deckarz> ok
[08:29] <mohi> icewaterman: I'am in live mode with no FF installed! but I tried this in live ubunut with no setting at all! I could surf the web by FF there!
[08:29] <icewaterman> mohi: that could have various reasons
[08:29] <icewaterman> grrml,, not yet awake bad language :|
[08:30] <mohi> I use 7.04 installed and now I want to upgrade, I was thinking about having my GPRS work in gutsy and wanted to check it out!
[08:30] <mohi> icewaterman: ooh! ;(
[08:30] <icewaterman> mohi: that would be a completely different environment. however you can try setting it to autodetect
[08:32] <mohi> icewaterman: in my feisty, when I connect trough ADSL modem, everything is well, but when I connect trough dialup modem, It's the same problam as now!
[08:32] <mohi> icewaterman: let me check it out...
[08:32] <icewaterman> mohi: in case its a connection problem there is no browser to blame but rather your network setup
[08:34] <mohi> icewaterman: ooh! I tried autodetect, It says: cand find usable proxy....
[08:35] <icewaterman> mohi: you should try to get a working connection to your phone first
[08:35] <mohi> icewaterman: let me a minute! I seems to work!
[08:35] <icewaterman> i assume this is some sort of wireless probably bluetooth connection to your phone and it requires several settings to be set correctly
[08:35] <icewaterman> ah
[08:35] <icewaterman> i know whats wrong
[08:36] <mohi> icewaterman: hey... I can load the page now! but I used this setting with no result!
[08:36] <icewaterman> try http://72.14.207.99/
[08:37] <mohi> icewaterman: so... what is it?
[08:37] <icewaterman> mohi: does that url work
[08:37] <icewaterman> if yes, you probably have configured a wrong dns server
[08:40] <mohi> icewaterman: that is google! hey! it worked!
[08:43] <mohi> icewaterman: u said if I can see this page, I've set the wrong DNS! but as I know it detects the DNSes automaticlly! because I didn't set them manuaaly!
[08:43] <mohi> *manually
[08:43] <icewaterman> mohi: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[08:43] <icewaterman> dns settings are stored there
[08:44] <icewaterman> paste the ip number inside it in here
[08:49] <mohi> icewaterman:
[08:49] <mohi> nameserver 10.131.26.141nameserver 80.191.11.28
[08:49] <icewaterman> mohi: also, using some international dns server is good against censorship - happens in many countries (also in europe and us), however using an international dns server will get you almost all stuff you want because the sites censored in the country where your dns server is located are most likely in a language you do not understand anyway :)
[08:52] <icewaterman> try one of these 67.138.54.100 207.225.209.66
[08:54] <tuxwulf> ...I did not know DNS servers have languages....
[08:54] <mohi> icewaterman: foe example in which contry? do I ought to change them?
[08:54] <mohi> *for
[08:55] <WaltzingAlong> dns is just a phonebook with associations names <-> numbers
[08:55] <icewaterman> mohi: i use them in germany to get arround nasty copyright censorship
[08:56] <icewaterman> icewaterman: some time ago an idiot got even censored wikipedia here
[08:58] <icewaterman> and last censored sites i know of were a couple of porn sites and about 3.5 million additional collateral sites
[08:59] <icewaterman> however that is slightly off-topic
[08:59] <icewaterman> gtg, have to configure stuff
[09:12] <tsb> Is kubuntu iso-8859 or utf-8 by default?
[09:13] <icewaterman> tsb: last time i checked it was utf8
[09:13] <tsb> because I just switched to zsh and utf8, and suddenly my norwegian chars aren't displaying correctly in kde
[09:13] <tsb> icewaterman: yeah I'd think it was utf8 as well
[09:13] <icewaterman> tsb: maybe zsh is not capable of utf8?
[09:14] <icewaterman> or some environment variables do not get set properly
[09:14] <tsb> it is, I use it at home.. hrm
[09:15] <tsb> I've generated the new locales, perhaps kde wants me to logout/in, I'll try
[09:24] <tsb> Yup, a logout/in did it.
[09:29] <olavxxx> Hi.. I used many hours yesterday to install first kubuntu 7.04 and then afterwards, I started the linuxMCE install. I went to sleep and this morning before going to work, I looked at the install. It was at the wizard before first boot, where you choose resolution, etc. It all worked fine, untill I got to the part where it tests the sound (optical digital), where the wizard seemed to freeze. The ESC (back) or the arrow keys would no longer wor
[09:36] <harmental> hey guys....how can i change the ID photo at the login screen???
[09:38] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Hey, anyone know anything about using Shorewall?
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> harmental: sure systemsettings/about me           but first you need to allow users to set their own with systemsettings/advanced/login manager/users/user image source/ (to admin,user or user,admin, or just user)
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> !info shorewall
[09:40] <ubotu> shorewall: Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.4-1 (gutsy), package size 250 kB, installed size 1380 kB
[09:41] <harmental> WaltzingAlong: thx!!!! i didnt know the 2nd part.....
[09:42] <DrUnKnMuNkY> WaltzingAlong: Thanks. Do you know anything about configuring it by any chance? I'm trying to set it up right now and I'm able to access the internet from every computer except the one that it's running on
[09:46] <sysadmin-lb> Hi All I need to upgrade from Dapper to Gutsy..I cant do it through the upgrade tool because my connection is lousy and I can not upgrade one distro at a time untill I reach gutsy..is there an alternate upgrade CD available for Kubuntu the same way it is available for Ubuntu
[09:46] <sysadmin-lb> ?
[09:46] <sysadmin-lb> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> DrUnKnMuNkY: no. i usually go through guarddog and iptables
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: otherwise yes there is the alternate cd or dvd
[09:47] <sysadmin-lb> which is faster ?
[09:47] <DrUnKnMuNkY> WaltzAlong: Thanks, any ideas where someone may have any ideas? Or should I just try back at a more reasonable time of day?
[09:48] <sysadmin-lb> WaltzingAlong ?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> DrUnKnMuNkY: :) 10:48 for me but yeah could try that
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: faster how? to download? if you can, just install gutsy. but if you are still with dapper, perhaps you are still with dapper since it is the most recent LTS release. next LTS is 8.04
[09:49] <sysadmin-lb> well Iam with dapper because I have fine tuned it to my likening.. but I really like a couple of the new gutsy features and I want to give it a try without loosing my settings and configs ..etc...
[09:50] <sysadmin-lb> yes WaltzingAlong I mean to download
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: if you just want to give it a try, how about running from the LiveCD?
[09:50] <sysadmin-lb> well lets say I liked it :)..what then ?
[09:51] <sysadmin-lb> other than that I could not find the URL for hte alternate download section for Kubuntu..
[09:51] <sysadmin-lb> :(
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: then either backup/restore your settings and install fresh with gutsy ... or the supported upgrade path is one release at a time (dapper->edgy->feisty->gutsy) and if you were going to do that i would suggest removing some packages (OOo, kubuntu-desktop, ...) so the downloads are as small as possible...or try forcing from gutsy
[09:52] <Eartaker> hey can someone help me out here..... im a totalk noob at this. my cousin setup an http server the other night on here and now i cant seem to find it to turn it back on.... anyideas?
[09:52] <Eartaker> total
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> sysadmin-lb: so then you may be interested in http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/ and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[09:53] <sysadmin-lb> Eartaker try sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start or /etc/init.d/httpd start
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> Eartaker: apache? turn it on? probably already running
[09:53] <sysadmin-lb> WaltzingAlong I will check the links out..thx
[09:54] <earl_> hey everyone. I have compiz working pretty well under KDE, unfortunately, it seems whenever I am running compiz, my system tray area stretches out on one row instead of the normal two rows.
[09:54] <Eartaker> it isnt running i ryed connecting and i dont think it was apache.. he was using something called easyserver I think?
[09:54] <earl_> any way to fix that?
[09:54] <jtmoney> has anyone else in here removed gutsy to put feisty back on because they found too many problems with gutsy?
[09:55] <WaltzingAlong> anyone else meaning you did?
[09:55] <webvictim> i'd presume so :P
[10:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> earl_:I've noticed that too. Not sure of any way to fix it unfortunately :(. Anyone else have ideas?
[10:03] <Eartaker> i try to start apache and it says could not open document config file /etc/apace/httpd.conf..... I look and there is no such file
[10:04] <sysadmin-lb> WaltzingAlong ...just one more thing..if I opt for the upgrade...I will need to download all the images right and upgrade one upgrade at a time..or can I donwload the alternate Gutsy CD and install it right a way ?
[10:05] <earl_> hm does anyone know what the main channel for avant-window-navigator is
[10:07] <crazy_bus> I download link was just changed.  But I can't seem to find anyway to change it in kde.  What should I do?
[10:08] <earl_> drunknmunky: yeah its a real pain
[10:10] <smorg> yo is there some nice compiz documentation somewhere handy on the kubuntu forums?
[10:10] <smorg> or wiki
[10:11] <earl_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompizFusion?highlight=%28compiz%29
[10:12] <smorg> cool... the compiz site says they have a repository but it looks like its for edgy. IDK if theres a difference
[10:12] <smorg> deb http://ubuntu.moshen.de feisty eyecandy
[10:13] <smorg> aah perfect exactly what I needed ty :-)
[10:17] <Eartaker> how do I set the root directory for apache?
[10:19] <Gulars> Eartaker, /etc/apache2/sites/000-default or something along those lines
[10:20] <Eartaker> mm
[10:21] <Eartaker> I have a sites-avaliable and sites-enabled both have the same file. when I connect to the server I get a directory as well
[10:21] <foxhound31> dolphin even when startedas root wont change any permissions on ntfs-3g drives
[10:22] <foxhound31> what is it i need to do to fix this
[10:22] <Gulars> Eartaker, it't the sites-enabled one
[10:23] <Eartaker> im guessing ill just edit line <Directory "/usr/share/doc/"> right?
[10:25] <Eartaker> aghhh seems like the changes i make dont work
[10:35] <sdlnxgk> anyone kicking around here??
[10:35] <Lynoure> not kicking anyone.
[10:36]  * Lynoure is not an op here
[10:38] <_a3_> ARE Imac and Apple OSs UNIX systems?
[10:39] <sdlnxgk> OSX tiger is a unix based OS
[10:39] <_a3_> Thank you...
[10:39] <sdlnxgk> apple claims OS X 10.4 tiger is more unix based then linux is
[10:40] <sdlnxgk> your welcome
[10:40] <sdlnxgk> anyone good with iptables???
[10:40] <sdlnxgk> or firestarter gui frontend for iptables??
[10:42] <sdlnxgk> _a3_,  check this out has allot of info for you !!!  http://www.apple.com/support/tiger/
[10:42] <wilson> sdlnxgk: not really but what are you trying to do
[10:42] <_a3_> ok,ty
[10:45] <sdlnxgk> wilson,  well I notice I had a web site stuck in my list of web page
[10:46] <sdlnxgk> wilson,  it's as if my computer is still logged onto a website but it's not
[10:46] <_a3_> Before I go away, will the OS X 10.4 tiget CD work on an old Compaq Presario box?
[10:46] <sdlnxgk> firestarter says it's still connected
[10:47] <sdlnxgk> _a3_,  not sure I would check the system requirements on that page I posted up there ^^^
[10:47] <_a3_> Okat, Thank you very much...
[10:47] <_a3_> okay
[10:48] <sdlnxgk> http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=160
[10:49] <sdlnxgk> you might want to check there since they are all mac geeks ;)
[10:49] <sdlnxgk> your very welcome
[10:51] <sdlnxgk> wilson,  I guess my ? is where do I look to find out why my computer is logging into this web site...
[10:51] <sdlnxgk> I know the websites name
[10:52] <sdlnxgk> was checking out a site a friend told me about fling.com
[10:52] <sdlnxgk> my computer seems to be connecting to fun.fling.com but can't seem to block it or get rid of it
[10:52] <jtmoney> under kubuntu?
[10:53] <ripoux1er> slt all
[10:53] <jtmoney> slut?
[10:53] <ripoux1er> help sur kubuntu
[10:53] <mickael_> hello
[10:54] <mickael_> ouai ripoux qu'est ce quil y a ?
[10:54] <ripoux1er> je suis passer de ubuntu vers kutunbu , mais j'ai un pb sur mes hdd
[10:54] <mickael_> lecture ecriture ?
[10:54] <mickael_> pas accessibles ?
[10:55] <Jucato> !fr | mickael_
[10:55] <ubotu> mickael_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:55] <mickael_> ok
[10:55] <sdlnxgk> sorry my frech sucks
[10:55] <sdlnxgk> opps I guess my english does too at 4am
[10:55] <sdlnxgk> lol
[10:55] <sdlnxgk> what up everyone !!
[10:56] <ripoux1er> je vois mes hdd , mais il me marque hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-refused uid 1000
[10:56] <ripoux1er> mickael_: je vois mes hdd , mais il me marque hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-refused uid 1000
[10:56] <webvictim> oi
[10:56] <webvictim> not here
[10:57] <ardchoille> Where does Konqueror store cookies?
[10:57] <sdlnxgk> webvictim, not here what?
[10:57] <sdlnxgk> preferences
[10:57] <webvictim> french :P
[10:57] <sdlnxgk> ahhhh
[10:57] <sdlnxgk> yes my french sucks
[10:57] <Jucato> ardchoille: you mean as files?
[10:57] <webvictim> mine too, really
[10:57] <sdlnxgk> my german is ok but I can speak better then I write
[10:58] <webvictim> heh
[10:58] <sdlnxgk> i'm at work right now but doing SSH into my kubuntu box at home so I have something to do :)
[10:58] <ardchoille> Jucato: I checked "Treat all cookies as session cookies", thinking all cookies would be deleted when I close Konqueror, like firefox does, but those cookies aren't deleted. Where are they stored?
[10:59] <Jucato> ardchoille: ~/.kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies file
[10:59] <sdlnxgk> so far i'm loving it just need to find a way to speed up some applications is all
[11:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thank you. It seems that files remains empty despite some cookies being carried across sessions.
[11:01] <sdlnxgk> Konqueror> settings> configure konqueror> cookies tab
[11:02] <sdlnxgk> ard check your cookie settings
[11:02] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: I did
[11:03] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, hmmmmm not sure if you can just delete the konqueror file and let it start over new
[11:03] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, I know I had to do that a couple of times with my .kde folder and now it's working awesome
[11:04] <sdlnxgk> but then i'm always up for a gamble
[11:04] <sdlnxgk> just back it up just in case ;)
[11:04] <earl_> hey guys does anyone know how i can get the package libsrvg?
[11:05] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: Worked great, thanks :)
[11:06] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  no problem, glad I could help
[11:07] <sdlnxgk> anyone have a linux based OS smart phone??
[11:08] <sdlnxgk> was thinking about getting the Motorola A 1200 Ming until something better with linux comes along
[11:08] <sdlnxgk> !firestarter
[11:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:09] <Lynoure> sdlnxgk: if you join #ubuntu-topic you can ask people there about Neo1973
[11:09] <Lynoure> sdlnxgk: oops: #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:09] <sdlnxgk> Lynoure,  dude thanks was actually looking at that too ;)
[11:10] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: I put it in my backup script.. cleans garbage out of $HOME before making a backup of $HOME.
[11:11] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  good thinking so you don't have to backup the garage file too :)
[11:11] <ardchoille> :)
[11:17] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, what program do you use for backing up $HOME ??
[11:17] <dragonrider8_> hello
[11:19] <dragonrider8_> is there someone who succeed to make work the direct rendering on kubuntu with an ATI 9800XT ?
[11:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: When I install kdmtheme, where in System Settings is that added?
[11:20] <ardchoille> Maybe it needs to be re-written to add itself to System Settings instead of kcontrol now that kcontrol is gone
[11:21] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  Settings> Appearance and themes I believe
[11:21] <sdlnxgk> kcontrol is gone?
[11:22] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: kcontrol is gone in kde4
[11:22] <Jucato_> ardchoille: System Settings -> Appearance
[11:22] <ardchoille> Jucato: ty
[11:22] <Jucato_> ardchoille: don't worry abut kdmtheme in KDE 4
[11:22] <Jucato_> it's merged into the Login Manager itself already
[11:23] <ardchoille> Oh, that's even better :)
[11:23] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  i'm still using 3.5.8
[11:23] <ardchoille> Maybe System Settings isn't so bad after all
[11:23] <sdlnxgk> Nice !!
[11:23] <sdlnxgk> sounds allot nicer
[11:24] <sdlnxgk> I have a ? that is driving me crazy
[11:24] <sdlnxgk> the log in screen how can you change the way it looks???
[11:24] <olavxxx> How can I repair the boot? Does the livecd  have some functionality for this?
[11:24] <Jucato_> that's what kdmtheme is for sdlnxgk :)
[11:24] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: Write your own kdm theme
[11:24] <sdlnxgk> have tried this and I know it's simple but can't seem to get it changed
[11:24] <Jucato_> you can download themes from kde-look.org of course
[11:24] <olavxxx> 7.04 btw.. boot went byebye after the wizard in linuxmce froze up.
[11:24] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: What I do is take one that already exists, take it apart and change things, then package it back up
[11:24] <sdlnxgk> OMFG that sounds awesome
[11:25] <sdlnxgk> how stable is KDE 4??
[11:25] <marcreichelt> heyho
[11:25] <sdlnxgk> what up marcreichelt
[11:25] <marcreichelt> who's decision was it to integrate Dolphin in Kubuntu 7.10 by default?
[11:25] <[ifr0g]> sdlnxgk, As stable as any beta software.
[11:25] <olavxxx> can someone give me feedback on my boot fix vs. reinstall -> http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=3013.0
[11:26] <[ifr0g]> marcreichelt, i know bad idea :(
[11:26] <Jucato_> !d3lphin | marcreichelt
[11:26] <ubotu> marcreichelt: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[11:26] <marcreichelt> I have found an ugly bug that should be fixed within 7.10 (can not wait until 8.04)
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> marcreichelt: dev
[11:27] <sdlnxgk> [ifr0g],  that is what I was affaid of maybe i'll wait a while and let you guys test the bugs out of this one ;)
[11:27] <Jucato_> marcreichelt: if you report it, it would have a better chance of getting fixed
[11:27] <marcreichelt> if you have 2 dolphin instances open, and you cut some files in the first instance and paste them into the second instance, the files are copied, and not moved
[11:27] <marcreichelt> jepp
[11:27] <dragonrider8_> well , nobody have an ATI with direct rendering working ?
[11:27] <marcreichelt> where can I report it?
[11:27] <Jucato_> marcreichelt: hm... I think that's a known bug
[11:27] <marcreichelt> k
[11:27] <marcreichelt> :)
[11:27] <marcreichelt> I thought so
[11:28]  * sdlnxgk is using Nvidia
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> olavxxx: your swap can be as big as your system RAM
[11:28] <Lynoure> dragonrider8_: are you taking a poll or something?
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> fglrx ati howto wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide | dragonrider8_, want yours working?
[11:28] <soon> In KOrganizer: can you associate an appointment with a note?
[11:28] <Lynoure> dragonrider8_: I know there are people with open source drivers for X600 with direct rendering working... I just have not bothered to, myself.
[11:28] <Jucato_> soon: what kind of note?
[11:29] <marcreichelt> thanks Jucato_ for the setting information
[11:29] <soon> In KOrganizer there is a Notes section
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> olavxxx: and depending on the amount of ram (and running tasks) you should find that gnu/linux uses the swap much less often than ms windows does
[11:29] <Jucato_> ah KNotes? hm... haven't tried that...
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> olavxxx: have you tried recovery mode at the grub menu?
[11:30] <soon> Thing is -- the notes are stored as a KDE ressource, not as individual files which can easily be attched (by link)
[11:30] <dragonrider8_> thanks for the wiki , i have read many "how to " but not this yet
[11:34] <emilsedgh> Jucato: is the sabdfl mark's nickname? im reading the AskMarkLogs
[11:34] <Jucato_> emilsedgh: yes
[11:35] <Jucato_> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[11:36] <emilsedgh> thanks
[11:36] <emilsedgh> im really happy that kubuntu is not getting more attention from canonical
[11:36] <Jucato_> er.. not sure if it's self-appointed or south african
[11:36] <emilsedgh> Jucato: you have a very open and nice vision on kubuntu
[11:36] <icewaterman> how can i make a backup of the master boot sector?
[11:36] <Jucato_> emilsedgh: thanks... :)
[11:37] <icewaterman> i mean the bootcode
[11:37] <ardchoille> icewaterman: MBR (Master Boot Record)
[11:37] <Jucato_> icewaterman: research on using dd
[11:37] <icewaterman> Jucato_: i merele want to know the size
[11:37] <Jucato_> aah
[11:37] <icewaterman> i found something like 446 bytes
[11:37] <icewaterman> wonder if thats all
[11:38] <ardchoille> icewaterman: iirc, it's 512
[11:38] <icewaterman> ardchoille: yes, with partition table
[11:38] <Jucato_> 512 what? b? kb? :)
[11:38] <icewaterman> Jucato_: bytes
[11:38] <Jucato_> :)
[11:38] <ardchoille> b I think
[11:38] <icewaterman> http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/procedures/mbr.html at least they say
[11:39] <Jucato_> hehe first from Google :)
[11:39] <wilson> 512 bytes , same size as a standard sector
[11:43] <bazhang> any reason to download the dvd as opposed to the cd for Gusty final?
[11:43] <r0y4l> my menus are borked after updating to gutsy. i've several apps (like kpdf) where only "No Text!" is displayed in the menu... i.e. in kpdf the "Print" entry is missing completely, if i press ctrl+p it works.
[11:44] <bazhang> would the restricted drivers be in the dvd final?
[11:45] <WaltzingAlong> r0y4l: change the menu to show names only (not names/descriptions0
[11:45] <WaltzingAlong> bazhang: with the dvd there are more packages and more languages as well as the option to either insall right away or run live
[11:45] <DrUnKnMuNkY> My K-Menu is showing "_: Entries in K-Menu APP app name, DESCRIPTION description..." except APP is the name of the application it's supposed to be showing and likewise for DESCRIPTION. anyone have any ideas for this?
[11:46] <bazhang> WaltzingAlong: thanks! do you suppose the 'restricted' might be included, or is that a no-no?
[11:47] <r0y4l> WaltzingAlong: where can i do this?
[11:47] <eagles0513875> what other audio conversion programs are there available
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> r0y4l: right mouse click on kmenu/panel menu/configure panel/menus
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: re-rip as flac ;)
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> bazhang: yes there are restricted drivers already in the repositories
[11:49] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: i cant i have the cd's back in the us lol
[11:49] <eagles0513875> WaltzingAlong: or i could put winblows back on
[11:49] <bazhang> WaltzingAlong: thanks much! appreciate it. :}
[11:51] <r0y4l> WaltzingAlong: I only can change this on my panels (i switched it to name only, without success)
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> DrUnKnMuNkY: change the menu to show either just the name or the description
[11:53] <DrUnKnMuNkY> WaltzingAlong: How would I go about that?
[11:53] <firecrotch> Okay, so I have a webcam that's built in to my laptop.  the camera appears to be working, somewhat.
[11:53] <The-Compiler> Moin
[11:54] <firecrotch> I tried using camorama, but it says that it can't connect to the video device /dev/video0
[11:54] <The-Compiler> *Hi :D
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> firecrotch: so seems the module required has not located your video in device
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> DrUnKnMuNkY: kcontrol /desktop/panels/menus
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> eagles0513875: run windows in a vm, convert, remove the vm
[11:56] <firecrotch> WaltzingAlong: care to elaborate?
[11:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> WaltzingAlong: That did the trick. Thanks a lto.
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> firecrotch: /dev/video0 gets created, as far as i know, when a driver is loaded that recognizes a webcam or whatever you have
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> firecrotch: lspci  and lsusb      which device?
[11:58] <firecrotch> lsusb gives this: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b008 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
[12:00] <WaltzingAlong> firecrotch: is it already loaded and working? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=577677
[12:01] <galathalion> i have installed compiz fusion and this green thing called "adept notifier" keeps bugging me.. what is it and why wont it go away?
[12:01] <firecrotch> WaltzingAlong:  It works (sort of) in Kopete.  I can see the video
[12:02] <webvictim> galathalion: it tells you about available updates
[12:02] <webvictim> it's basically a frontend to apt-get
[12:03] <galathalion> webvictim: aha.. what happens when there is new updates?
[12:03] <galathalion> it blinks?
[12:03] <galathalion> turn red?
[12:03] <webvictim> if you mouseover the icon it should say "4 new updated packages available" or something
[12:03] <galathalion> aha ok
[12:03] <webvictim> i think it disappears when your packages are all current
[12:03] <galathalion> it say no updates available
[12:04] <webvictim> then right click it and tell it to go away :)
[12:04] <galathalion> so i can quit it without problems?
[12:04] <firecrotch> galathalion: it will have an exclamation mark inside an upside-down "yield" sign when you have updates available
[12:04] <sdlnxgk> ya I only get the the adept notifier when there is updates available
[12:04] <webvictim> but you can certainly quit it
[12:05] <sdlnxgk> be gone adept notifier
[12:05] <sdlnxgk> *** P O O F ***
[12:05] <sdlnxgk> lol
[12:05] <galathalion> :D
[12:05] <ardchoille> lol
[12:05] <galathalion> allright
[12:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info adept_notifier
[12:06] <ubotu> Package adept_notifier does not exist in gutsy
[12:06] <ardchoille> !info 3ddesktop feisty
[12:06] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB
[12:07] <ardchoille> !info adept-notifier
[12:08] <ubotu> adept-notifier: system tray notifier of available system updates. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.3ubuntu17.1 (gutsy), package size 140 kB, installed size 384 kB
[12:08] <zgmf-x20a> hey all, anyone know a good pdf to jpeg converter for ~buntu
[12:08] <flithm> hey everyone... how do I enable compiz when using kde?
[12:09] <ardchoille> !compiz | flithm
[12:09] <ubotu> flithm: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:09] <flithm> ardchoille: thanks!
[12:09] <ardchoille> yw
[12:13] <sdlnxgk> !compiz
[12:13] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:13] <sdlnxgk> I just might have to check that out :)
[12:14] <bazhang> very fun for a while at least
[12:15] <flithm> the wiki page part about fetching emerald themes doesn't work for me
[12:16] <firecrotch> I just turned on compiz fusion in gutsy.  It work flawlessly
[12:17] <bazhang> flithm: do you have emerald installed?
[12:18] <flithm> bazhang: yeah emerald works, when I click "fetch GPL'd themes' like the wiki says from the command line I see: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.beryl-project.org': Connection refused
[12:18] <flithm> but I can do the previous part fine about svn ls ...
[12:18] <bazhang> flithm: feisty?
[12:19] <flithm> gutsy
[12:19] <flithm> fresh install
[12:19] <flithm> as of 5 minutes ago :)
[12:19] <bazhang> :}
[12:21] <flithm> i wonder if there's a way to manually fetch these... I could check out the repo, but where would I put it
[12:23] <bazhang> flithm: well emerald themes are not really a must, though the extra plugins for compiz-fusion and compiz-kde definitely are.
[12:24] <flithm> it looks like ass with the default emerald theme
[12:24] <flithm> :)
[12:28]  * DarthwNinja is away: Gone away for now.
[12:30] <Jucato> !away > Darth_away
[12:30] <delphine> Hello :-)
[12:30] <delphine> I have a problem with locales
[12:30] <delphine> ie. I get the following error when trying to start gimp in French
[12:31] <delphine> Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[12:31] <delphine>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[12:31]  * Jucato doesn't know much about locales... but...
[12:31] <Jucato> !locale | delphine
[12:31] <ubotu> delphine: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[12:31] <delphine> all my other programs are all fine :)
[12:31] <delphine> ah k :)
[12:34] <olli> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:35] <delphine> olli: I did this
[12:35] <delphine> didn't help :(
[12:35] <delphine> all my other programs are in the right locales, just gimp returns this error.
[12:36] <TheGateKeeper> sounds like it time to post a bug...
[12:36] <Jadi> I want to test KDE4's kwrite. I've tried "apt-get install kde4base" but when I want to run "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kwrite" it says "A KDE text-editor component could not be found. Please check your KDE isntallation". What sould I do ?
[12:36] <delphine> TheGateKeeper: question in Gimp or in Ubuntu? ;-)
[12:36] <Daudulus> Does anyone know how to skip a driver installation in console?
[12:36] <Jucato> Jadi: you don't launch KDE 4 apps that way. please check the procedure in the kde4 beta release page
[12:36] <delphine> ie. where to post the bug :/
[12:37] <Jucato> delphine: just to double check, you might want to ask in #ubuntu for help as well
[12:37] <TheGateKeeper> delphine: ubuntu if this is the ONLY application having a problem with locales
[12:37] <Jadi> Jucato: tnx Juca.
[12:38] <delphine> Jucato I'll do that yes :)
[12:38] <delphine> thanx
[12:38] <TheGateKeeper> delphine: you could also ask in the french ubuntu channel (assuming there is one)
[12:38] <Jucato> of course there is one :)
[12:38] <Jucato> !fr
[12:38] <TheGateKeeper> see if anyone else has the probem
[12:38] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:38] <ardchoille> Is KDE4 going to have a different kmenu setup than KDE3.* has?
[12:38] <Jucato> yes
[12:38] <ardchoille> Something like kickoff?
[12:39] <ardchoille> Nice
[12:39] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: yes it does, atm there are 3 different menu's for kde4
[12:39] <Jucato> 4.0 currently has kickoff
[12:39] <delphine> this said, I don't have a locale.gen file
[12:39] <ardchoille> Awesome :)
[12:39] <delphine> which every post I've read on the subject refers to
[12:39] <delphine> :/
[12:39] <TheGateKeeper> if ubuntu had a 'ports' system like Arch linux I'd say try recompling...
[12:39] <mzungu> Hi - any ideas why some old windows .bmp images do not appear in gwenview?
[12:40] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: what are the odds of my audio conversion issue being gutsy related
[12:40] <eagles0513875> !wma
[12:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:41] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: No idea, I do't use audio or sound
[12:41] <ardchoille> For all I know mine doesn't even work
[12:42] <eagles0513875> oh
[12:42] <eagles0513875> ill be damned if that fixes the issues
[12:42] <eagles0513875> *issue
[12:48] <mzungu> Hi - any ideas why some old windows .bmp images do not appear in gwenview?
[12:50] <olavxxx> oh, compiz fusion looks cool
[12:50] <olavxxx> can it run good on p4 2.5ghz, 1gb ram and gf fx5500?
[12:51] <service> hi there. does anyone know what do i have to do for gutsy to use the multiverse repository?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> olavxxx: easy
[12:51] <ranjan> olavxxx: yes
[12:51] <Jucato> service: nothing.it's enabled by default already
[12:51] <service> i uncommented those lines but it still does not get the packages
[12:51] <ranjan> service: open adept
[12:52] <service> i tried to install envy
[12:52] <service> so i gave the command sudo apt-get install -f
[12:52] <Jucato> !envy
[12:52] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:52] <service> but instead of installing packages, it removes them
[12:52] <ardchoille> envy is a bad idea
[12:53] <service> when i tried to install libxine-ffmpeg it said that is not there
[12:53] <olavxxx> nice
[12:53] <service> i used envy and it worked fine for me
[12:53] <ardchoille> !worksforme
[12:53] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[12:54] <ranjan> service: today it may have worked fine, but during yogrades it may mess your system up
[12:54] <service> ok. but how do i fix the repository?
[12:54] <ranjan> open adept, adept >> manage repositories
[12:55] <mzungu> service, did you update the package list after enabling the repositories?
[12:55] <service> sources.list in order to download the packages automatically. now i'm getting them one by one from packages.ubuntu.com
[12:55] <service> how do i update the list?
[12:55] <service> :D
[12:55] <mzungu> sudo aptitude update
[12:56] <mzungu> or adept => click on 'update'
[12:56] <olavxxx> why should the swap be at the end of the drive?
[12:56] <olavxxx> I would think beginning of drive is faster and therefore better for swap?
[12:56] <webvictim> if you have to use swap, you have issues ;)
[12:56] <webvictim> get moar RAM! :P
[12:57] <olavxxx> Ive only got 1gb pc3200
[12:57] <webvictim> that's plenty
[12:57] <ardchoille> webvictim: lol
[12:57] <service> thank youuuu  now that i updated aptitude it gets the rest of packages
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> just add more RAM then you don't need to use swap ;)
[12:57] <olavxxx> you always need swap though?
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> running two gigs and no swap here
[12:57] <mzungu> :)
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> brb need to get my flu shot from the ER :)
[12:57] <olavxxx> is that good?
[12:57] <olavxxx> I made a 2gb swap partition in the beginning of the drive.. that was wrong, right?
[12:57] <ranjan> olavxxx: 1 gig is good
[12:58] <Lynoure> olavxxx: depends on your use
[12:58] <webvictim> well you don't have to define a swap partition - if it really needs the memory, it'll make files on your / partition anyway
[12:58] <olavxxx> also, I made the fs on the / partition ext2
[12:58] <olavxxx> should have been ext3?
[12:58] <webvictim> you can convert that quite easily
[12:58] <webvictim> so that's not a problem
[12:58] <olavxxx> ok..
[12:58] <Lynoure> olavxxx: if you want to hibernate to disk, min. 2x memory is the good rule of thumb.
[12:58] <olavxxx> the boot went byebye after the wizard froze up in the linuxmce I installd on top of a fresh kubuntu 7.04
[12:58] <webvictim> hibernate never quite works for me
[12:58] <mzungu> service, if you are comfortable on the command line, aptitude is always preferable to apt-get as it better manages dependencies
[12:59] <Lynoure> webvictim: Mine worked in Feisty, so I have not given up hope yet :)
[12:59] <olavxxx> Lynoure: so then 2gb is not that bad, only problem(?) is that I made it in the beginning of the drive ?
[12:59] <olavxxx> I'm not concerned about "wasting" 2gb.. as the drive is 250gb
[12:59] <ranjan> beginning is ok, end preferable
[13:00] <olavxxx> why is the end preferrable?
[13:00] <olavxxx> is it due to some defrag issues?
[13:00] <Lynoure> olavxxx: Linux is not very silly about such things. So, unless your bios is ancient, you'll probably be fine
[13:00] <Jucato> olavxxx: no. anywhere would be fine
[13:00] <olavxxx> its a fujitsu siemens scaleo s
[13:00] <Jucato> older hardware issues iirc
[13:00] <olavxxx> 2004 or 2005 I think
[13:00] <ranjan> end is pref only cuz after partitioning whatever is left is to swap
[13:00] <Lynoure> olavxxx: that's not ancient :)
[13:01] <Jucato> ranjan: not really.
[13:01] <olavxxx> ranjan: I made a 25gb partition to / and then I have the rest of the 250gb free, no partiotions yet
[13:01] <Jucato> there's an actual technical reason for it afaik. tldp docs
[13:01] <olavxxx> I think its poorly documentet (not documented at all) during install though.
[13:02] <Jucato> because it's an old issue
[13:02] <olavxxx> ok.. but then it should recommend me, lol
[13:02] <ranjan> anyways its doesn't matter much swap hardly gets used
[13:02] <Jucato> I mean, probably no longer applicable with recent hardware
[13:02] <olavxxx> just like the FS, lol
[13:02] <olavxxx> I tried using fat32 first, then it told me: "/ has to be another fs like ext2"
[13:03] <olavxxx> since I didnt know what ext2 or ext3 was, I chose the ext2
[13:03] <Jucato> the installer makes a default recommendation of ext3
[13:03] <ranjan> olavxxx: ext3 is newer
[13:03] <olavxxx> I dont think it was set at something as default
[13:03] <olavxxx> 7.04
[13:03] <ranjan> olavxxx: default is ext3
[13:04] <olavxxx> eg. I deleted the partiotions which where on the hd
[13:04] <Jucato> you can't use fat32 because that's a proprietary fs, and doesn't have Unix permissions. ext3 is just ext2 with journaling
[13:04] <webvictim> i find that having about a 10/15gb partition for / and then having others for /home and /var works well :)
[13:04] <olavxxx> ranjan: can this be why the linuxmce crashed during the wizard and then rendered my boot useless?
[13:04] <ranjan> olavxxx: don't know
[13:05] <ranjan> olavxxx: however it shouldn't
[13:05] <ranjan> olavxxx: do u need linux mce? mythbuntu wouldn't suffice?
[13:06] <The_Machine> how to join a multipart zip file:  file.zip.001, file.zip.002, etc?
[13:06] <ranjan> if u need lights control, asterix, etc llinuxmce is good, but only mthytv mythbuntu is better
[13:10] <Daviey> olavxxx: There is no reason you can't run asterisk on mythbuntu
[13:10] <olavxxx> I wont run lightcontorl and alarm
[13:11] <olavxxx> I only want the tv tuner and mediacenter
[13:11] <ranjan> mythbuntu
[13:11] <Ace2016> so did everyone see /. today about acpi settings killing hard drives or something
[13:11] <olavxxx> is that a standalone distro?
[13:11] <ranjan> yep
[13:11] <olavxxx> its the best for mediacenter?
[13:12] <Daviey> olavxxx: I think so
[13:12] <ranjan> olavxxx: easiest in my opinion
[13:12] <Daviey> olavxxx: But then, i'm biased
[13:12] <olavxxx> I used many hrs y esterday and then suddenly it froze up in the setup wizard :S
[13:12] <ranjan> olavxxx: u used what?
[13:13] <olavxxx> ranjan: first livecd kubuntu 7.04, then linuxmce on top...
[13:13] <olavxxx> 2-cd install mce
[13:13] <olavxxx> took ages
[13:13] <ranjan> get mythbuntu
[13:13] <Daviey> mythbuntu rocks
[13:14] <ranjan> its just 1 cd 500 mb
[13:15] <ranjan> no fuss install
[13:16] <olavxxx> ok.. ill dl it
[13:18] <olavxxx> 7.10 mythbuntu is good?
[13:19] <Daviey> olavxxx: very much so
[13:19] <Daviey> olavxxx: but then, i'm a mythbuntu dev... so i would say that :D
[13:20] <olavxxx> lol
[13:20] <olavxxx> I like that I get a direct download url :)
[13:20] <Daviey> olavxxx: well.. technically you don't :D
[13:20] <Daviey> olavxxx: it redirects to one of our mirrors :)
[13:20] <olavxxx> linuxmce went via like 5 links before I got an offsite url for the 2-cd install. There where none for the dvd install :S
[13:21] <DarthWar> I have the dvd
[13:21] <DarthWar> but OMG
[13:21] <DarthWar> took 2 weeks to torrent that
[13:21] <ranjan> linuxmce is tod for meo complicate
[13:21] <olavxxx> I finally got it
[13:21] <olavxxx> I had to download this client
[13:21] <olavxxx> pando
[13:21] <olavxxx> then I got it in 2 hrs
[13:27] <E_mE> in kubuntu can you swap desktops in a sort of 3d motion like in ubuntu??
[13:27] <hydrogen> !compiz | E_mE
[13:27] <ubotu> E_mE: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[13:27] <E_mE> hydrogen: thanx... i didnt know it was called that :D
[13:29] <ranjan> !kdde4
[13:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:29] <ranjan> !kde4
[13:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[13:31] <ranjan> does kde4 beta work in gutsy?
[13:32] <icewaterman> ranjan: there are packages however as the word beta may indicate they are not expected to work well.
[13:32] <olavxxx> the mythbuntu, can I use compiz on that?
[13:32] <smorg> any idea why there is no /etc/inittab ?
[13:32] <ranjan> olavxxx: you are going to run a desktop on your mythbox?
[13:33] <ranjan> icewaterman: thanks
[13:33] <icewaterman> smorg: because ubuntu uses other initscripts than old distros
[13:33] <icewaterman> for the new initscripts the inittab is no longer necessary.
[13:33] <Jucato> !upstart | smorg
[13:33] <ubotu> smorg: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[13:34] <Jucato> s/old distros/all other distros/
[13:34] <smorg> aaah that explains a lot
[13:34] <icewaterman> Jucato: wasnt slackware still using the old rc-style init?
[13:35] <icewaterman> i mean the really old bsd-like niit
[13:35] <Jucato> almost all other distros still use sysv init afaik. only a few have dared to implement a new one
[13:35] <smorg> debian has inittab :-/
[13:35] <Jucato> very very few...
[13:35]  * Jucato thinks only ubuntu, gentoo(?), and gobo
[13:35]  * genii pries his eyes open and sips a coffee
[13:35] <sdlnxgk> Happy Halloween Everyone !!!
[13:36] <icewaterman> Jucato: well, i noticed that when entering an encrypted password was no longer possible during boot (i switched to full disc encryption to finally get it working again)
[13:36] <icewaterman> s/encrypted/encryption/
[13:48] <sylvain__> hello all
[13:48] <sylvain__> bonjour tout le monde
[13:49] <sylvain__> cuold someone help me ?
[13:49] <Jucato> !someone
[13:49] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[13:49] <sylvain__> ok
[13:49] <pbn> Hello, how can I disable the "switch user" button when the screen is locked ?
[13:49] <flithm> hey everyone... how do I turn off KDE's "sessions" in kubuntu?  With my old OS I could turn this off but I can't find the option in kubuntu.  I don't want it to remember what apps I had open and so forth
[13:50] <timri> kcontrol session manager
[13:50] <timri> check on login-> start with empty session
[13:50] <flithm> timri: thanks!
[13:51] <smorg> aah pff, ubuntu has a nice gui!
[13:51] <smorg> so I should use system services to adjust init settings?
[13:51] <sylvain__> A few time ago, I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (before 18 oct. so) in my computer, with an alternate CD.I had already a partition with ~50 Go of data. When I make the partitions for my new system
[13:51] <sylvain__> i accidently deleted my partition with all my data
[13:51] <webvictim> i think the actual answer is that any linux distro can have a "nice gui"
[13:52] <Jucato> smorg: nice gui for?
[13:52] <webvictim> but ubuntu's is nicer by default ;)
[13:52] <smorg> changing init levels
[13:53] <Jucato> for services?
[13:53] <sylvain__> but it only erase the File Allocation Table, and not the files themselves. I used testdisk, photorec and another software to recover some files, but they are not correctly named.
[13:53] <mattsu-kun> anyone from sweden here?
[13:53] <Jucato> smorg: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> System Services doesn't work for you?
[13:53] <Jucato> !se
[13:53] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[13:53] <smorg> it does, I just didn't know it was there ^^
[13:53] <sylvain__> So, does somebody knows how I can re-build the file allocation table of a partition, to recover correct names for my files ?
[13:54] <sylvain__> ?
[13:55] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[13:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[13:56] <eagles0513875> if there is an error with the source lists for gutsy 64 do i email the person in charge or file a bug
[13:56] <xavier_> hey there !
[13:56] <eagles0513875> hey
[13:56] <xavier_> i have a problem to shutdowm my Kubuntu 7.10
[13:57] <eagles0513875> xavier_: can u elaborate on ur problem
[13:57] <eagles0513875> that isnt telling us vry much about it
[13:57] <xavier_> yes when i push the "turn off" button my pc shut down wait 2 min and turn on alone !!!!
[13:58] <eagles0513875> xavier_: is this on a desktop or laptop
[13:58] <xavier_> but i can shut it down with the konsole
[13:58] <xavier_> desktop
[13:58] <tim_> hay
[13:58] <eagles0513875> interesting i am using it on a laptop no problem
[13:58] <[ifr0g]> How do check if a repo is legit ?
[13:58] <tim_> can some one tlel me how to remove a directory
[13:58] <Jucato> rmdir directory
[13:58] <tim_> i know rm is remove file whats command for remove directy
[13:58] <eagles0513875> had to reinstall feisty and im in the middle of upgrading i honestly dont know what to tell ya
[13:58] <tim_> thanks
[13:58] <Jucato> only empty directories though
[13:59] <tim_> how do you do full ones
[13:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: if there is a duplicate source list on teh sourceomatic site do i file a bug or report it via email to the person in charge of it
[13:59] <eagles0513875> tim_: sudo rm -rf and then the name of the folder
[13:59] <xavier_> i hzve to reinstall 7.04???
[13:59] <xavier_> snif snig
[13:59] <tim_> thanks
[13:59] <scratch1> hi all
[13:59] <eagles0513875> no prob
[13:59] <Jucato> tim_: careful.. rm'ed file = totally gone
[13:59] <Jucato> eagles0513875: email the person
[13:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ok already done
[14:00] <posingaspopular> Jucato: time for you to go to bed
[14:00] <scratch1> russia channel?
[14:00] <tim_> yea im using fwcutter and need firmeware cleared
[14:00] <eagles0513875> !ru
[14:00]  * posingaspopular heards off to school for some mad CS hacking
[14:00] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:00] <The_Machine> How to empty trash via bash?
[14:00] <The_Machine> :)
[14:00] <scratch1> thenks
[14:00] <eagles0513875> posingaspopular: got a question for ya in regards to steam
[14:00] <eagles0513875> no prob
[14:00] <posingaspopular> steam? o
[14:00] <posingaspopular> okay shoot
[14:01] <posingaspopular> duno if i can answer though
[14:01] <eagles0513875> posingaspopular: for some reason when i had it installed on gutsy every time it would auto start how do i disable the auto start
[14:01] <tim_> root@tim-laptop:/home/tim/driver# bcm43xx-fwcutter -w bcmwl5.sys /lib/firmware
[14:01] <tim_> Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[14:01] <tim_> This file has an unknown MD5sum d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e.
[14:01] <tim_> can some one help me with that
[14:01] <eagles0513875> tim_: u using gutsy
[14:01] <tim_> im not sure how do i check
[14:01] <scratch1> */part
[14:01] <Jucato> tim_: try not to run as root, specially when you rm -rf....
[14:01] <posingaspopular> kmenu->systemsetttings->advanced->system services?
[14:01] <tim_> oh not the rm rf works
[14:01] <[ifr0g]> How do check if a repo is legit ?
[14:01] <eagles0513875> tim_: what posing said
[14:02] <posingaspopular> or right click on it and see if that gives you an option
[14:02] <posingaspopular> AFK
[14:02] <xavier_> eagles you dont have any ideas for me?
[14:02] <eagles0513875> xavier_: i honestly dont know i would check to see if there r any bug reports and maybe file one
[14:02] <tim_> where is it said
[14:02] <eagles0513875> tim_: look up a few lines
[14:03] <eagles0513875> tim_: i have a bcm43xx card and in gutsy it finds it and all i have to do is enable the restricted driver and restart my machine
[14:03] <tim_> yea im in the rright place but dunno where it should say it
[14:03] <eagles0513875> let me see hold on
[14:03] <tim_> how do i do that eagles
[14:03] <eagles0513875> im checking hold up
[14:03] <tim_> like pm me with step by step for activated restricted if you dont mind
[14:03] <xavier_> eagles0513875_ kk thx for that man!
[14:04] <tim_> nah im not using gusty
[14:04] <eagles0513875> tim_: upgrade to it
[14:04] <tim_> how ??
[14:04] <eagles0513875> or do a clean install thats up to u
[14:04] <tim_> sorry im noob
[14:04] <tim_> id do clean kde install but im on kde 7.04
[14:04] <tim_> didnt install it
[14:04] <eagles0513875> tim_: follow these http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[14:04] <eagles0513875> then ur not using gutsy
[14:04] <eagles0513875> u can either do a totally new install by downloading the image or upgrade
[14:04] <tim_> ok one gusty im using then enable restricted drivers
[14:05] <eagles0513875> tim_: u wont need to
[14:05] <tim_> ok
[14:05] <tim_> sorry just upgrade :)
[14:05] <eagles0513875> tim_: i think in ur case since ur rather new to linux i would do a clean install
[14:06] <tim_> i can upgrade and stuff
[14:06] <tim_> im used to being told to do ndiswrapper and fwcutter
[14:06] <hagabaka> did this happen to anyone else? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/159008
[14:06] <eagles0513875> u can but when i first started using kubuntu i ended up screwing up my installation and doing a clean install
[14:06] <eagles0513875> tim_: i used to do that too but in gutsy its changed and ull love it cuz u dont need that stuff
[14:06] <tim_> well im using a broadcom 4318
[14:07] <tim_> sadly in a dell inspiron 1300
[14:07] <eagles0513875> im using 4306
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> For  my broadcom card - i just needed to use fwcutter
[14:07] <tim_> i just switched form suse 10.3 nice but kind crappy for me
[14:07] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: lucky u i would have needed to use andiswrapper and do some nasty hacking
[14:07] <eagles0513875> brb need to boot into the updated kernel
[14:08] <Kachna> hey buds,are intel's graphic chips ok in linux? wanna buy a ntb,and put linux there ofc (doh,it has preinstalled Vista /puke), so i wonder if it's a good choice :-)
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> Kachna id say stick with nvidia if you can
[14:09] <tim_> so now ive followed the website i should be upgrsadeing the whole kernal
[14:10] <Kachna> mmmh there was one with some nvidia go7000
[14:10] <n1lo> Anybody know were i can find the kickoff .deb file for kubuntu gutsy?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> im back
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> !find kickoff
[14:10] <eagles0513875> AmyRose: sup
[14:10] <ubotu> File kickoff found in kdebase-workspace
[14:11] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ?
[14:11] <Gre4ka> всем привет
[14:11]  * Dr_Willis wonders what kickoff is.
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !ru
[14:11] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !gk
[14:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !greek
[14:11] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[14:11] <Kachna> (personally,i don't like nVidia,but if it works...) :-) however, don't they consume more energy Dr_Willis? coz the thing that's major priority for me is time on battery :-)
[14:11] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: im wondering the same thing
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> Kachna carry a long cord.
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Kachna: what kinda processor u got
[14:12] <Kachna> not any yet,gonna get core2
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> the HD takes up about 1/3 of the battery life  - from what i hear.
[14:12] <Kachna> huh,pretty nice Dr_Willis :-)
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Kachna: make sure u get a mobile one cuz for me i have a power hungry athlon 64 3200+
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> Aparently those new Flash-based hd's really help the battery life.
[14:12] <eagles0513875> and im finally taking advantage of its 64 bit capabilities
[14:13] <Kachna> eagles0513875: well,i'm definitely going for intel, maybe celeron M, or just core 2 duo...
[14:13] <eagles0513875> Kachna: anything but celeron lol
[14:13] <Kachna> coz ppl say they eat less :P
[14:13] <tim_> so eagals when i finsih all those steps should i have a working wireless card?
[14:14] <Kachna> mmm,well i have celeron in my desktop, 2,66@3,6, works pretty well on 40°C loaded :P
[14:14] <eagles0513875> tim_: ya once u first login u shoudl get a restricted drivers list that will allow u to enable any restricted drivers for any devices u need once u do restart again and they should work
[14:14] <eagles0513875> Kachna: sweet running kubuntu
[14:15] <tim_> wait ...... do i need to find them restricted drivers option or does it pop up ?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> pop up
[14:15] <hydrogen> if it didn't pop up, you can run restricted-manager-kde
[14:15] <Kachna> well,i should have mention i have PC full of giant passive coolers,but it was cool with box too :-)
[14:15] <eagles0513875> lol nice
[14:15] <tim_> thanks alot egal
[14:15] <eagles0513875> Kachna: i have a rather bitter sweet desktop my mother board is a beast
[14:15] <[ifr0g]> How do tell if a repo is legit ?
[14:15] <tim_> eagals*
[14:15] <eagles0513875> tim_: no prob im upgrading as we speak
[14:16] <Kachna> :-)
[14:16] <tim_> cool
[14:16] <eagles0513875> tim_: that is what this channel is here for to help
[14:16] <eagles0513875> Kachna: its an asus a8n sli premium motherboard
[14:16] <tim_> ive had it running  like for 5 mins now
[14:16] <tim_> i hate dells and linux
[14:16] <eagles0513875> i can have a total of 8 drives 4 and 4 for raid
[14:16] <eagles0513875> tim_: y
[14:16] <eagles0513875> raid on the baord
[14:16] <eagles0513875> board
[14:16] <tim_> lol never mind the fact my dell has a burnt out 3dx card lmao i burnt it out with c&c3
[14:17] <eagles0513875> tim_: what video card do u have
[14:17] <tim_> and i hate the dells cause there so awkard witht he wireless drivers
[14:17] <tim_> im not sure right now but its box standerd dell
[14:17] <tim_> inspiron 1300
[14:17] <eagles0513875> thank god ur getting in on kubuntu when u r
[14:17] <eagles0513875> tim_: in the previous 2 versions feisty and edgy i had a real head ache getting wifi to work and also open gl to work in gutsy its so easy
[14:18] <tim_> cool
[14:18] <eagles0513875> tim_: well im out for now its goign to take it some time to upgrade
[14:18] <tim_> well its like suse 10.2  it worked the drivers and stuff and was easy to setup but now i upgraded to 10.3 and my card it coudl turn on work and find other networks just nto connect lmao so i got pissed off and came back to my roots kubuntu
[14:18] <eagles0513875> tim_: 747 pkgs for upgrade newly install 115 and remove 6
[14:19] <eagles0513875> tim_: suse is a resource hog
[14:19] <tim_> mins 4 install 130 upgrade
[14:19] <eagles0513875> ur not doing something right
[14:19] <tim_> damn right its a resource hog lol
[14:19] <tim_> ..... damn
[14:19] <eagles0513875> did u enable all the repositories using adept
[14:19] <tim_> ill sort it out later i knwo what to do i think so
[14:19] <eagles0513875> tim_: open adept manager
[14:19] <eagles0513875> and then enable them in there
[14:20] <eagles0513875> do u know how to use the command line commands or not yet
[14:20] <tim_> yea i knwo how to upghrade though command lines
[14:20] <eagles0513875> do u know about source o matic
[14:20] <Kachna> :/ there's some sempron with GF Go6100...would it be better choice than core duo with intel gma 3100? i need it just for work,but need it to stay few hours when working with Quanta or so,not that big load...:-) just to have some orientation...i'm completely new to notebooks :-)
[14:20] <tim_> but i did as website said and endabled the two pacjkages
[14:20] <eagles0513875> Kachna:
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> a few hours  - Ha :)
[14:20] <eagles0513875> Kachna: i honestly dont know
[14:20] <eagles0513875> good luck wiht few hrs too lol
[14:20] <tim_> Enable the "Recommended updates" and "Pre-released updates" repository,
[14:20] <Kachna> well, 2 are enough :P
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> 2 hrs would be a long time.
[14:21] <eagles0513875> even source updates tim_
[14:21] <eagles0513875> with my athlon 64 3200 i only get an hr and a half
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> Splurge on the bigger cell'ed battery if you can.
[14:21] <Kachna> even while just working with text editor? :/
[14:21] <juan> if i have a list of files in the ls -Z format how do i pipe them to chmod in a format itll read or is there a better way match user and group permisions
[14:21] <eagles0513875> Kachna: when i work with anything
[14:21] <tim_> well i cba canceling the update now
[14:21] <eagles0513875> tim_: ok
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard that some laptops can do 3 hrs - when they get all throttled down and stuff. :)
[14:21] <Kachna> dammit then :P
[14:22] <tim_> wait
[14:22] <eagles0513875> tim_: whats wrong
[14:22] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: i have mine with the minimal brightness and on powersave and i still get an hr and half
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> turn off backlight/dim it, throttle down the cpu. Dont use an external mouse,
[14:22] <eagles0513875> i do all that and i only use the pad
[14:22] <tim_> i went on it and theres no source updates
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> THEn after a years time - your battery is wore out . ... and you dont get 1/2 that time any more
[14:22] <eagles0513875> nm those u can always add those later
[14:23] <tim_> kubuntu updates "important recommended pre-released and unsupported" thats it
[14:23] <eagles0513875> my laptop extended warrenty i get free replacement batteries lol
[14:23] <eagles0513875> tim_: ok reload the repos
[14:23] <jetsaredim> nice - kde4 beta3 was just released a couple weeks ago - now its beta4?
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 prove they are bad? :) be sure that normal wear and tear on battery is covered.
[14:23] <tim_> and then all it does is install 4 and upgrade 130
[14:23] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: if they dont hold charge ya
[14:24] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: lol even though mine is still fine i went to and ordered a replacement one before i left the us
[14:24] <eagles0513875> batteries for my laptop r expensive
[14:24] <eagles0513875> 80 us dollars for one
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> bateries for laptop are A RIP off. :)
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> batteries for any laptop are expensive
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> ridiculous
[14:24] <eagles0513875> lol thank god for my extended warrenty
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> exactly
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> replacement power supplies are also ripoffs
[14:24] <eagles0513875> for desktop or laptop
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> laptop
[14:25] <juan> laptop dekstops are sooo cheap
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> the external brick
[14:25] <tim_> i think the upgrades doing fine
[14:25] <tim_> can you rip the kubuntu iso off to a dvd ??
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> $75 for my fiancee's toshiba power supply
[14:25] <juan> eagles0513875: have you tried powertop
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> cheap laptop - because they cut corners on everything they can now a days. :)
[14:25] <eagles0513875> juan: whats powertop
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> tim_: why not download the dvd?
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> I got a whole laptop for $350
[14:25] <Kachna> k will do some additional research,just last question, what's the difference in pentium dual-core and core duo? :P
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> juan: that made no sense.
[14:25] <tim_> good point
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> !powertop
[14:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powertop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:25] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: mine was one thousand 2 yrs ago lol
[14:26] <juan> powertop is a program that looks at power useage on your laptopo the way top does
[14:26] <juan> *looks at processes
[14:26] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> Kachna: core duo is a single core, 32 bit.  core 2 duo is 64 bit dual core.
[14:26] <Kachna> cmon :P
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> at least, that's how i understand it
[14:26] <eagles0513875> Kachna:
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> until this lappy i hated intel
[14:26] <Kachna> oh so :-)
[14:26] <juan> using it i got an extra 1/2 hour from an 1hr on a very old bat
[14:27] <Kachna> thx
[14:27] <eagles0513875> Kachna: go for the 64bit dude i hate amd to be honest but hell once u go 64bit they r both good
[14:27] <eagles0513875> im dying to try a 64bit intel
[14:27] <tim_> dells batteres are crap they die in liek half a year
[14:27] <jetsaredim> Daisuke_Laptop: no, core duo is dual-core, core2 duo is just the second revision (optimized)
[14:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: order replacement
[14:27] <Kachna> why 64? i have 64bit cpu here,but running 32bit OS...
[14:27] <tim_> i did do hehehehe
[14:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: all the core 2 duos and up are 64 bit
[14:27] <eagles0513875> Kachna: u will notice u can do alot more multitasking
[14:27] <juan> eagles0513875: also dynamic mode saves more power than powersave ( i read it somewhere so not 100% but dynamic drops to min whenever it can but spends less time in s1 because when it needs to do stuff it does it fater)
[14:27] <Kachna> coz of opera,flash(need for youtube :/ and guitar lessons :P) and so on
[14:28] <Kachna> k
[14:28] <eagles0513875> for me im able to run boinc projects as well as surf the net and convert audio and my machine bearly breaks a sweat
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> ive not noticed much of a diff in 64 vs 32bit machones/os's
[14:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> jetsaredim: yeah, the core solo didn't last very long (which is what i was thinking)
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> But if the software isent designed to take advantage of 64bit - its not suprising.
[14:28] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: in time it will
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 they been saying that for a few years now. :)
[14:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: if i program anything it will be fully 64bit backwards compatible wiht 32bit machines
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> of course i rember how long it took dualcore/multi cpu machines to take off.
[14:29] <eagles0513875> im dying to try out kubuntu on my dads new quad core desktop
[14:29] <tim_> awww man my coonections so gunner die .... downloading kubuntu and updateign while playing xbox live
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> now  i got  dual core system.. that normally only uses 10% cpu at any time. :)
[14:30] <eagles0513875> tim_: dont download it or update choose one and stick with it
[14:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: im running the 64bit of kubuntu and i love it right now its not even breaking a sweat while updating to gutsy and 2ndly i have noticed faster inetenet speed too on the 64bit lol
[14:31] <eagles0513875> with 32bit i used to get bout 110kpbs now im getting 243 kbps
[14:31] <eagles0513875> i dont know how thats possible
[14:31] <tim_> theres no such thing of internet speed speeding up with different os
[14:31] <eagles0513875> tim_: ull be suprised
[14:31] <tim_> im a networkign student
[14:31] <eagles0513875> how is it that thats happening to e
[14:31] <eagles0513875> me
[14:31] <eagles0513875> guys ill bbl need to go pick up the car
[14:31] <tim_> different peers / servers / different times in which you download
[14:32] <tim_> laters eagals
[14:35] <eagles0513875> somethign for u guys to think about
[14:35] <eagles0513875> it would be rather interesting to develop a completely java based os and java games
[14:35] <tim_> impossible
[14:35] <hydrogen> sun tried that
[14:35] <hydrogen> well
[14:35] <hydrogen> they tried to develop a java window system
[14:35] <hydrogen> look up lookingglass
[14:35] <tim_> the demand on the processor would be far too great
[14:35] <hydrogen> its effing horrible though
[14:35] <hydrogen> because java is an effing horrible language
[14:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm...  ubuntu may be killing my laptop's hard drive?
[14:36] <hydrogen> thats the current rumour
[14:36] <hydrogen> It does seem fairly substantiated
[14:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> seems like it's at least plausible
[14:37] <hydrogen> I had 86000 wakeups
[14:37] <hydrogen> when i checked yesterday
[14:37] <hydrogen> before I disabled the smart power stuff
[14:37] <hydrogen> and this laptop is only 9 mo's old
[14:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did you check?
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen some articals on that laptop hd stuff.. but Im still not convinced.
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> You can always disable that powersaving feature, from what i read with the right  command.
[14:38] <justinfate> anyone know of a wrapper or script for cksfv?
[14:39] <hydrogen> https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html has all of the info
[14:39] <methods[work]> the installation is a bit fubarred on my system
[14:39] <methods[work]> thought someone would want to know
[14:40] <methods[work]> the install windows have gone blank
[14:40] <WaltzingAlong> methods[work]: hardly enough data to help
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/ubuntu-is-not-causing-aggressive-power-management/
[14:40] <methods[work]> the title bar changed once... but now it just says "installing system" and sits there while the viewport is completely grey on the window... and the main window has frozen too
[14:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> so... this is a bug with no updates in the past year...
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> half the articals blame ubuntu, and the other half say its the bios makers defaults that are doing it.  aparently MS dosent bother to 'use' what the bios makers defaults suggest.
[14:42] <methods[work]> anyone have any idea what i should do here ? i mean i woudlnt' think it would take this long to install the system but i have no idea whats going on
[14:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dr_Willis: the launchpad link that hydrogen posted is for a bug back in 06 that has had nothing else said since last september...  it would be nice if every once in a while, devs would drop in on major bugs like that and say "hey, it's taken care of" or "hey, it's being taken care of" or "it will be"
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm
[14:44] <tim_> im so stressed out i cant update anythign adepted is saying summert esle is using it but i dotn have ought esle runnign
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> 56110 load cycles, and i've had this laptop for...  3 months?
[14:44] <hydrogen> !fixadept | tim_
[14:44] <ubotu> tim_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> that seems a little high to me
[14:45] <Ace2016> hey i just found out that a fly cannot see below himself
[14:46] <Ace2016> it just sat on my lcd and when i alt+tabbed it didn't even move, but the second i move my hand towards it it left
[14:47] <Ace2016> Daisuke_Laptop: did you go to /. too? i went there and read that and i was like wtf
[14:47] <olavxxx> Ace2016: maybe he just likes the light
[14:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ace2016: that bug's been around for over a year now, but i didn't pay much attention to it before, as i didn't have a laptop.  the /. story reminded me that this could be an issue
[14:48] <Linusx> Using 'Find' how do I tell it to do a search of the entire hard drive?
[14:48] <WaltzingAlong> Linusx: kfind or locate
[14:48] <Nyle> I installed the kubunti gusty 7.10 and it wiped out my konqueror mouse gestures that were in regional settings
[14:48] <methods[work]> i think this install completely froze
[14:48] <Ace2016> 2090 cycles in 205 hours :(
[14:48] <Nyle> how can I get them back
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016 did you enable laptop mode?
[14:49] <Lynoure> Linusx: / is the root. if you use that as the starting point, it will span everything by default.
[14:49] <Ace2016> Dr_Willis: laptop mode? is that enabled by defaut when you install?
[14:49] <Lynoure> Linusx: it's recommended against, though.
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> laptop_mode is NOT enabled by default
[14:49] <Ace2016> i applied the fix already so its ok
[14:49] <olavxxx> what is laptop_:mode?
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: recreate them
[14:50] <tim_> whats it mean when it shows up could nto verify intergrity of the upgrader application
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: locate them on your backup, the backup you made before installing/upgrading dist
[14:50] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: there has to be an easier way
[14:50] <Ace2016> i think its a package called laptop mode
[14:50] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: you think people would actually do that
[14:50] <Nyle> especially ubuntu users
[14:50] <Nyle> c'mon man
[14:50] <Nyle> I'll have to ask someone in kde to upload them somewhere
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016  thats the whole argument of the articals.. the 'issue' seems tobe agressive power mangement set by default in teh bios. ubuntu does not set or override the default bios powermanagement settings.
[14:51] <Ace2016> so vista does it too?
[14:51] <Ace2016> it doesn't say about vista and xp
[14:51] <Lynoure> Nyle: the easier way is called 'restoring from backups', it applies if you have backups. otherwise you can get the default ones probably back by reinstalling and reconfiguring kde, but that'll put other things back to default too, not worth it.
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> people
[14:52] <tim_> way hay starting upgrade
[14:52] <tim_> ok im off lasters
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> people   are saying that it seems vista and xp may just Ignore the bios/makers suggestions/defaults and sets their own.
[14:52] <Nyle> Lynoure: but I don't have backups :)  They were the default kde gestures, which should still be there, but they are not.  How can I get them back to the way kde does them?
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016 how do you even check those #'s in vista and xp? how do you even change the settings in vista/xp? Ive not seen anyone mention that either.
[14:53] <Ace2016> well if you can never check them in vista then you'll never worry about it, guess thats the theory beind it
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Of course - google had a large artical a few months back about how the 'smart' stuff drive failure prediction #'s were not all that accurate.
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Disable the power management stuff , hd makes more heat - shortens life.. enable it.. shortens life..
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> for the longest life.. remove the HD.. put it in the closet. :)
[14:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dr_Willis: and for backups, that's *exactly* what i do
[14:54] <Lynoure> Nyle: there might be "restore default settings" button somewhere... I'm not on Kubuntu this momont
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> well i gotta run./ have run
[14:55] <Ace2016> but anyone could plot a graph of load cycle count against number of failures at that load count to get a nice graph which curves off
[14:55] <Nyle> Lynoure: there isn't
[14:56] <Ace2016> restore the default kde settings or kubuntu settings?
[14:57] <Lynoure> Nyle: if you still have this problem tomorrow, feel free to leave me msg, and I can dig for my gestures
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: check with #kde about where the mouse gestures are stored, if you have yours still, and what needs to be done
[14:58] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: maybe the defaults have changed?
[14:58] <Nyle> all I did was upgrade to gusty
[14:58] <Nyle> no clue what happened
[14:59] <Nyle> where is the gestures file located?
[15:00] <olavxxx> is it easy to run dual-boot on kubuntu + mythbuntu ?
[15:00] <Nyle> I think the file is called khotkeysrc
[15:00] <Nyle> ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc
[15:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> why would you need to dual boot that?
[15:00] <olavxxx> so I can compare the linuxmce vs mythbuntu on the same pc, not only screenshots and youtube :P
[15:00] <Nyle> ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc <-- can someone upload this file somewhere
[15:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[15:01] <olavxxx> its just to install them both?
[15:01] <Nyle> I think this file controls the mouse gestures
[15:01] <Nyle> its just a text file, you could pastebin it for me?
[15:01] <Nyle> anyone
[15:01] <Nyle> :)
[15:01] <ardchoille> Nyle: I would upload it but I don't have it.. nor do I have a khotkeys* anywhere in my Gutsy
[15:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dunno, you seem desperate... what's in it for me?
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: how about #kde
[15:01] <Nyle> ardchoille: I do
[15:01] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: I asked there as well
[15:02] <ardchoille> Nyle: Is that one of those files that is only created after you change from the defaults?
[15:02] <Nyle> no one at this particular time knows how to reset them or get themb ack
[15:02] <Nyle> ardchoille: afaik, it should be either there, or in /usr/shared/somewhere
[15:02] <Ace2016> Nyle: ar eyou talking about your custom settings or kubuntu 7.04's default settings being changed when you updated?
[15:02] <Nyle> I think default is /usr/share somwhere, and then if you uncheck globally disable mouse gesture, to you can enable them, it creates tha in ~/.kde
[15:02] <Nyle> I'm not positive
[15:02] <Nyle> I think
[15:03] <Nyle> I never had custom settings
[15:03] <Nyle> in 7.04 kde came with mouse gestures
[15:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> Nyle: how much do you love me?
[15:03] <JohnFlux_> if I'm running the 64bit version of ubuntu, will I be able to run this on 64bit intel chips?
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc   is what you want? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42823/
[15:03] <Nyle> 7.10 none, the whole box is blank
[15:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> WaltzingAlong: well you're no fun
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Laptop: well mine may be blank, give yours a go
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: so should we could grab the packages from feisty, extract the file in question, and tada
[15:05] <Nyle> well I shouldn't have to do that
[15:05] <Nyle> if everything 'works out of the box'
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: lol
[15:05] <Nyle> which is apparantly does not
[15:05] <Nyle> :)
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> not possible that "everything" works out of the box
[15:05] <Nyle> thats what ubuntu claims doesn't it
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntu is not ubuntu
[15:05] <Nyle> anyway this is probably going to start an argument
[15:05] <Nyle> leave it
[15:06] <Nyle> help me get my gestures back
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> are you from the usa?
[15:06] <Nyle> and no the khotkeys didn't do anything
[15:06] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: no
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: alright because that was the file i have on here but then again i have not enabled them nor do i use them
[15:06] <hydrogen> this is silly.
[15:06] <hydrogen> there was no box
[15:06] <hydrogen> so it won't work out of it.
[15:06] <hydrogen> I win.
[15:06] <hydrogen> now lets move on
[15:06] <Nyle> hydrogen: i missed you
[15:06] <hydrogen> ubuntu didn't come from a bo
[15:06] <hydrogen> x
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/159008
[15:06] <Nyle> long tim e no see
[15:06] <Nyle> whats been up
[15:06] <hydrogen> so of course it didn't work out of the box.
[15:07] <hydrogen> oh
[15:07] <hydrogen> its nyle
[15:07] <hydrogen> err
[15:07] <hydrogen> stoned
[15:07] <hydrogen> I missed you too!
[15:07] <hydrogen> but
[15:07] <Nyle> wow
[15:07] <hydrogen> I need to go
[15:07] <hydrogen> so
[15:07] <Nyle> 79 images on that page
[15:07] <Nyle> konqueror told me
[15:07] <Nyle> thats horrible
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> images are horrible?
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> i saw eighty some
[15:08] <Nyle> it makes things very slow
[15:08] <Nyle> why can't people keep it simple, and not use images
[15:08] <Nyle> debian websites kick butt
[15:08] <hydrogen> loaded in an instant for me!
[15:08] <hydrogen> but then again
[15:08] <hydrogen> I use opera
[15:08] <hydrogen> so of course it did
[15:08] <hydrogen> anyways
[15:08] <hydrogen> i'm off
[15:08] <hydrogen> !enter | hydrogen
[15:08] <Nyle> some people are on a speed only 5x bigger than dialup
[15:08] <Nyle> so...
[15:08] <Jucato> ubotu: tell hydrogen about enter
[15:09] <Jucato> :D
[15:09] <Nyle> Jucato: he knows everything
[15:09] <Nyle> my man whas up
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> sure dns makes is slow
[15:09] <Nyle> Jucato: you know how to get my kde konueror gestures back
[15:09] <Jucato> nooope :(
[15:09] <Jucato> missing Input Actions contents?
[15:09] <Nyle> yes
[15:11] <MGalaxy_> hello, I want to buy a new laptop ( HP dv9500t ) , how can I find that whether it works properly in Kubuntu 7.10 ?
[15:12] <timri> Nyle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/152190 provides a workaround
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> MGalaxy_: livecd
[15:13] <MGalaxy_> WaltzingAlong, I want to be sure before buying the laptop :D
[15:13] <WaltzingAlong> MGalaxy_: it works ... how well is the next question. find out about the devices inside, chipsets and such
[15:15] <qolo> take the cd to the store
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> perform an in store demo for all onlookers
[15:15] <MGalaxy_> WaltzingAlong, for example it has "Verizon Wireless V740 ExpressCard", how can I understand that it works in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[15:16] <llutz> MGalaxy_: http://home.earthlink.net/~george164/dv9500t/dv9500t.html  for more info
[15:16] <MGalaxy_> qolo, lol, Is is impossible, I am trying to but it from website :D
[15:17] <MGalaxy_> llutz, thx, but it is about gentoo, it may doesnt work in kubuntu, am i right ?
[15:17] <Nyle> that workaround did not work for me
[15:18] <llutz> MGalaxy_: it shows used hardware and may point out some problems.
[15:19] <MGalaxy_> llutz, is it possible that a hardware which works in gentoo does not work in kubuntu ?
[15:19] <timri> MGalaxy_: HP 9500 series have big problems with sound in Gutsy
[15:19] <llutz> MGalaxy_: depending on used kernel/patches, yes
[15:20] <MGalaxy_> timri, really, do u have hp 9500 series laptop ?
[15:21] <MGalaxy_> llutz, thx
[15:21] <timri> MGalaxy_: no, but 2 minutes of googling gave lots of hits
[15:21] <timri> MGalaxy_: last one I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569789
[15:21] <MGalaxy_> timri, thx
[15:24] <pbn> Hello, how can I disable the "switch user" button when the screen is locked ?
[15:24] <pbn> and also how can I disable the "hibernate" button when the user clicks the red button ?
[15:25] <timri> pbn: Perhaps kiosk has those features, dunno
[15:26] <Nyle> sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install kdeaccessibility <-- first I tried to reinstall the package so i can get the conf back, but I didn't, so probably I don't have the correct package
[15:26] <timri> Nyle: you could grab it manually from packages.ubuntu.com
[15:26] <Nyle> scp khotkeysrc stoned@desktop:/home/stoned/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc <-- khotkeysrc from my debian unstable box has already Version=2 in the main section
[15:26] <Nyle> but.. its ok
[15:26] <Nyle> I have it back now and everything is hunky dory
[15:27] <Nyle> point being, you want soemthing done, do it yourself, on irc, you get 1 million people with 1 million solutions
[15:27] <Nyle> it gets frustrating when you try one after the other
[15:27]  * DarthWar sees 380 people
[15:27] <Nyle> thanks for pointing out the bug resources
[15:27] <Nyle> thats basically what helped me figure out the solution
[15:27] <timri> Nyle: be sure to update those bugreports, so other people can learn from your ordeal
[15:28] <Nyle> oh man
[15:28] <Nyle> thats a bit too much work
[15:28] <Nyle> I basically just copied a working file from another distro
[15:28] <Nyle> I don't know how desirable that would be for others
[15:29] <timri> Nyle: Might be very useful, so people stop looking for missing .so files etc.
[15:29] <Nyle> hmm
[15:29] <Nyle> do I have to register?
[15:30] <lulu> something is terribly wrong with my knetworkmanager. How can I connect to a wireless network from commandline?
[15:30] <mzk> test
[15:31] <timri> mzk: You're coming through loud and clear :)
[15:31] <navets> can someone help me, i have no sound mixer
[15:31] <navets> how do i get one
[15:31] <Nyle> install kmix
[15:31] <martoya> lulu: sudo iwconfig ethX essid networkname && sudo ifup ethX
[15:31] <Nyle> navets: do you have sound?
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: no
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: i dont have a mixer
[15:32] <Nyle> ok
[15:32] <timri> martoya: he is talking wireless
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: when i type alsamixer in a terminal, i get an error
[15:32] <timri> martoya: (or she of course, sorry)
[15:32] <Nyle> what error?
[15:32] <navets> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[15:32] <TimS> Whats the difference between hibernate and suspend
[15:33] <martoya> timri: some wifi cards use ethX or wlanX o raX, whatever
[15:33] <lulu> martoya: and if network is encrypted how do I provide the key?
[15:33] <informaticous> slt tous le monde
[15:33] <timri> martoya: yeah, I know, but knetworkmanager does not touch /etc/network/interfaces
[15:33] <informaticous> sori
[15:33] <Nyle> navets: what sound card?
[15:34] <timri> martoya: So to get wpa etc going, is a bit more involved
[15:34] <martoya> timri: ok, you win
[15:34] <martoya> timri: try install kwlan
[15:34] <timri> martoya:  :P
[15:34] <martoya> lulu: try install kwlan
[15:34] <navets> Nyle: uhh I am not sure, its generic realtech I think, is there a way to find out
[15:35] <navets> I am using a toshiba satellite a100 laptop if that helps
[15:35] <Nyle> navets: lspci
[15:35] <tim_> morning
[15:37] <navets> Nyle: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[15:37] <Nyle> hmm
[15:37] <Nyle> that should work automatically
[15:37] <Vermux> how do I burn ISO file with kubuntu? which program?
[15:37] <timri> navets: The ubuntu forums are full of people with problems using Intel HDA with Gutsy
[15:37] <Nyle> navets: lsmod|grep snd
[15:38] <Nyle> timri: gusty problem
[15:38] <Roey> another goatse gibbon problem?
[15:38] <navets> Nyle: i get a lot of output from that command, what am I looking for?
[15:39] <Nyle> navets: looking to see if all the snd modules are loaded
[15:39] <Vermux> how do I burn image with kubuntu?
[15:39] <Nyle> Vermux: start k3b
[15:39] <timri> Vermux: Doubleclick the ISO, it starts K3B
[15:39] <navets> Nyle: hum, I dont know what they are, but there are about 10-12 there
[15:40] <Nyle> if you move to another linux distro it might have that setup
[15:40] <Nyle> go to Kmenu > Multimedia > K3B
[15:40] <Nyle> might not*
[15:41] <navets> is there a way to re-install my sound card
[15:41] <Nyle> well I dont know about kubuntu
[15:41] <Nyle> but on debian sid, i use alsaconf
[15:41] <Nyle> I don't even think kubuntu has alsaconf
[15:42] <navets> it does
[15:42] <navets> im gonna run it
[15:42] <Nyle> then use it
[15:42] <Nyle> more put out regarding if it works or not
[15:42] <navets> it found 2 cards on my system
[15:42] <navets> the hda-intel
[15:42] <Nyle> yes
[15:42] <navets> and legacy
[15:42] <Nyle> that
[15:42] <Nyle> not legacy
[15:43] <navets> ok
[15:43] <navets> do I have to restart now?
[15:43] <Nyle> no
[15:44] <navets> humm, well then this didn't solve my problem
[15:44] <Nyle> try to use alsamixer on cli
[15:44] <laptop> are there  kde 4 beta 4  packages ?
[15:44] <Nyle> you get the same error message?
[15:44] <navets> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[15:44] <navets> yup
[15:44] <Nyle> hmm
[15:44] <Nyle> hang on
[15:44] <navets> k
[15:44] <ardchoille> laptop: KDE4.0 Beta 4 and development platform rc was recently released
[15:45] <ardchoille> laptop:  http://dot.kde.org/1193780926/
[15:45] <Kachna> !mconf
[15:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:45] <Kachna> guys,what the hell mconf is?
[15:45] <Dresken> I'm trying to mount an NTFS external HDD, but it won't mount for some reason and keeps showing me this:
[15:46] <Dresken> "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[15:46] <Dresken> Anyone knows how to fix this? x_x
[15:46] <jpatrick> ardchoille, laptop: yes, there are, but I don't think they're ready
[15:46] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Ah, ok
[15:46] <jpatrick> ardchoille: we are that fast
[15:47] <ubuntu_> hola?
[15:47] <jpatrick> !es | ubuntu_
[15:47] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[15:47] <Kachna> aaargh
[15:48] <Kachna>  6605 root      25   0  7548 6300  924 R 85.8  0.6 655:51.18 mconf
[15:48] <Kachna> pls! what the hell mconf is?
[15:48] <ubuntu_> ayuda porfa!!!
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: what do you get with cat /dev/dsp
[15:49] <navets> Nyle: no directory or file
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: I was looking to see if this is a device node problem, as my experience goes, once I had to run the snddevices script to generate the proper device nodes
[15:49] <GuHHH>  does anyone uses apache chrooted with phpldapadmin? i cant get phpldapadmin working on the chroot environment
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: aha
[15:49] <timri> Dresken: Is this what you want> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768
[15:50] <sedeki> i'm having problems logging in to msn with kopete
[15:50] <llutz> Kachna: you tried to compile/config a kernel?
[15:50] <Kachna> not yet today
[15:50] <navets> Nyle: hummm am I supose to have something there
[15:50] <Kachna> if i do,it's in chrooted enviroment
[15:50] <Kachna> and i'm not chrooted there now
[15:52] <sedeki> How come I can "ping google.com" in konsole but I can't use konqueror to surf google.com?
[15:52] <Nyle> navets: paste the output of lsmod|grep snd on pastebin
[15:52] <Nyle> navets: its either that the kernel module driver isn't loaded, or that for some reason you don't have the proper device nodes created (I guess by udev)
[15:53] <Nyle> I'm no expert, but I'll try to help
[15:53] <Nyle> afaik, on debian at least, alsa came with a script called snddevices which generated those device nodes, after which you run alsaconf and it works fine
[15:54] <Nyle> this was a problem back a few months ago in sid, so if ubuntu makes a copy of sid every 6 months, more than likely its carried over and not reported or looked at
[15:54] <Nyle> I don't see the snddevices script where it usually is
[15:54] <navets> Nyle: http://pastebin.com/m4f7c4078
[15:55] <Smackware> Hi
[15:55] <winterelf> smeack
[15:55] <Nyle> navets: sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[15:56] <Smackware> I just upgraded to gusty and noticed the .hidden file feature was removed due to complains. Is there an option to get it back to work?
[15:56] <Smackware> winterelf: Sup?
[15:56] <navets> Nyle: I get an error
[15:57] <Nyle> what
[15:57] <navets> Nyle: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[15:57] <Nyle> navets: check dmesg
[15:57] <Nyle> and that looks like a bug
[15:57] <Nyle> check the gusty bug tracker for the alsa-base pacakge
[15:57] <Linusx> Is there some way (that I don't find) to add 'seconds' to the date and time display? (am Using KDE, Dapper, and an old iMac)
[15:58] <navets> Nyle: I see Unknown symbole a lot lol
[15:59] <Nyle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/148561
[16:02] <navets> Nyle: thanks
[16:02] <Nyle> did that help
[16:02] <Nyle> ?
[16:02] <timri> Smackware: Bad news https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/129796
[16:03] <navets> Nyle: not really, I have not had this issue the whole time I was using gutsy
[16:04] <Nyle> navets: what kinda computer is it?
[16:04] <navets> i had a sound issue in feisty but was able to fix it by installing the latest alsa drivres
[16:04] <navets> toshiba satellite a100
[16:04] <navets> I tried to install the lastest alsa sound drivers in gutsy, but now It says i have no mixer at al
[16:04] <Smackware> timri: Thanks. Bummer for me. I liked that feature
[16:04] <navets> all
[16:05] <Jucato> Linusx: right-click on the clock -> Configure Clock
[16:05] <W8TAH|Class> I am currently setting up a kubuntu gusty machine -- i use kvirc a lot and would like to use their svn snapshot that is a .deb file -- its v 3.2.6-1  because its a .deb file, i ASSUME that it wont be installed via synaptic / adept / whatever, how do i go about installing it
[16:05] <Nyle> man dpkg
[16:05] <Nyle> dpkg -i blah.deb
[16:05] <timri> W8TAH|Class: ehh, it will
[16:06] <podliak> CZ/SK someone ?
[16:06] <W8TAH|Class> timri: be installed by synaptic etc?
[16:06] <Nyle> W8TAH|Class: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[16:06] <Smackware> knetworkmanager 0.2 doesn't recognize my WiFi adapter. Even though I can connect with wpa_supplicant just fine and kcontrol shows the adapter as well. What could cause this?
[16:06] <navets> Nyle: do you want me to use dpkg on something?
[16:06] <Nyle> or you can waste time pointing and clicking
[16:06] <Nyle> navets: wasn't meant for you sorry
[16:06] <navets> ahh ok
[16:06] <timri> W8TAH|Class: Even doubleclicking to install now (sometimes) works. (the other times python barfs and dies)
[16:06] <Jucato> !cz | podliak
[16:07] <Ahmuck> what would cause adept package manager to disappear from the menu?
[16:07] <Jucato> Ahmuck: aside from being unisntalled?
[16:07] <Nyle> navets: I don't know what to tell ya
[16:07] <Smackware> By the way, the adapter is listed in kcontrol under "restricted drivers". Perhaps this is related
[16:07] <Ahmuck> Jucato: ya, i did not uninstall it
[16:07] <W8TAH|Class> timri: ahh -- ok
[16:07] <Op3r> how can you update the menu of kubuntu? I mean i installed kooldock and kcontrol but its not shown in the menu?
[16:07] <Ahmuck> Ah, I know --- kiosktool
[16:08] <timri> Ahmuck: hehe, cant let users use a package manager of course :)
[16:08] <Nyle> navets: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3#2
[16:08] <Jucato> podliak: <Ubotwo> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[16:09] <navets> Nyle ill try installing these
[16:10] <pabligeno> hola
[16:10] <timri> Op3r: had the same pb wrt kcontrol: just rightclick on the menu and choose edit menu, you can add an item there
[16:10] <pabligeno> alguien puede ayudarme?
[16:10] <timri> !sp
[16:10] <Ubotwo> Factoid sp not found
[16:11] <timri> !es
[16:11] <Ubotwo> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:12] <Smackware> nevermind. solved
[16:14] <Jucato> !grub
[16:14] <Ubotwo> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:15] <pabligeno> hi
[16:15] <eindbaas> Hi! I came across this article online that explained on how to enable compiz fusion in ubuntu 7.10 without doing the compiz --replace thing.
[16:15] <pabligeno> what is the best app for manage my wi fi connections
[16:15] <eindbaas> Is this also possible in kubuntu?
[16:15] <pabligeno> ?
[16:17] <Ahmuck> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[16:17] <Ahmuck> this lib is causing multiple segfaults
[16:17] <rakan> pabligeno: kwifimanager
[16:18] <pabligeno> thsnks
[16:19] <benpicco_> Hi, I installed the latest fglrx driver for my X1950Pro, but there is still no direct rendering/3d acceleraltion - i've added it to my xorg.conf http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/16660
[16:23] <_Shade_> anyone using kde4 here?
[16:24]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:25] <coteyr> i know its around here somewhere but my laptop has a cheap nic with a bad mac how do I get it to stop rotating I have not /etc/iftab
[16:25] <timri> coteyr: remove your laptop from the turntable
[16:25] <crunch> i need help with kubuntu
[16:25] <W8TAH|Class> crunch: i'll try -- whats up?
[16:26] <coteyr> tirmi; almost funny
[16:26] <genii> coteyr: Is this by any chance a Marvell Yukon chipset in the nic?
[16:26] <timri> coteyr: sorry, been reading bash.org
[16:26] <crunch> great, hey there. i just finish installing kubuntu for the 2nd time on a 2nd partition. i changed a desktop theme in the first kubuntu and when i load that one the only thing i see is the kopete messanger and nothing else.
[16:27] <W8TAH|Class> thats a nonstandard install method, correct?
[16:27] <coteyr> genii; nvidia
[16:27] <crunch> what you mean by a non standard install method?
[16:27] <W8TAH|Class> sounds to me like you are trying to run more than one copy of kubuntu
[16:27] <genii> coteyr: Nvidia doesn't make network adapters. Do you know the chipset of the network adapter
[16:28] <crunch> yeah but in reality i just wan't my FIRST KUBUNTU and not this second one.
[16:28] <W8TAH|Class> back up your critical data, and configs, format and re-install -- anything else and you are looking at problems
[16:28] <coteyr> genii, how does one get the vendor id again and i will look it up
[16:28] <rakan> hello
[16:29] <crunch> i don't know how to reinstall
[16:29] <rakan> i installed Compiz on my Kubuntu
[16:29] <rakan> how can check it out?
[16:29] <crunch> i don't know how to remove kubuntu, do you know
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> ya -- its easy
[16:29] <rakan> is there a set of keys
[16:29] <crunch> how
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> back up any data and configs that you want to keep
[16:29] <blendtux> by running it rakan
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> pop the live CD into the drive
[16:29] <crunch> i don't need to backup anything, its not much
[16:29] <crunch> yeah..
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> reboot the comptuer
[16:29] <rakan> erm
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> when it gets to the drive formatting / partitioning section of the setup
[16:29] <rakan> whats the command?
[16:30] <rakan> i can't find it on my menu
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> tell it to erase the entire disk and use the whole thing
[16:30] <rakan> blendtux: new to linux :)
[16:30] <crunch> i did delete it and i still couldn't like use it for a new install
[16:30] <crunch> so i was like forced to make a 2nd one using free space from that one.
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> did you choose erase the entire disk?
[16:30] <crunch> yes i did
[16:30] <blendtux> oke, well to be honest i never run compiz
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> hummm --
[16:30] <crunch> and it erasd it.....but it wouldn't let me install in it
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> ok -- are you on that comptuer now or a different one?
[16:30] <genii> coteyr: lspci -nn
[16:31] <genii> afk, core dump
[16:31] <blendtux> there is allso a compiz channel on this server rakan
[16:31] <crunch> i'm on my only laptop where i have 2 kubuntus install and i just wana go back to my first one
[16:31] <crunch> w8tah - my first one.....i don't see the bottom bar...i only see the kopete messanger
[16:32] <rakan> blendtux: found it
[16:32] <W8TAH|Class> im not sure - it sounds like 2 hozed installs -- if it were me -- id DBAN the disk and start over -- but use that at your own risk and with caution -- you have been warned
[16:32] <crunch> dban takes 2 days?
[16:32] <blendtux> cool, and what do you think of compiz, is it running oke rakan
[16:32] <crunch> which is a long time
[16:32] <W8TAH|Class> never has for me -- only an hour or so
[16:33] <W8TAH|Class> how many passes did you set it for?
[16:33] <crunch> w8tah do you have AIM so i can talk to u as i delete the partition and etc
[16:33] <W8TAH|Class> ya -- im w8tahham on aim
[16:37]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:39] <rakan> blendtux: it aint running yet
[16:40] <timri> coteyr: You say you dont have iftab. Is bc you dont want to use ifrename?
[16:40] <blendtux> oh oke, i thought you said that you found it
[16:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:40] <crunch> anyone used the dban before and know what settings to use to finish in 1hr
[16:41] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to compile my own kernel, and it gets a different suffix than I enter... Shouldn't just the "generic" be replaced by my own suffix?
[16:42] <MilhousePunkRock> I cannot recompile linux-restricted-modules because of this
[16:42] <_Shade_> .join #launchpad
[16:42] <frojnd> Hello there
[16:42] <coteyr> timri, i want my nic to have the same mac every time i reboot
[16:42] <_Shade_> sorry
[16:42] <sven_> How can I have ps return me only the top 5 highest CPU using processes?
[16:43] <frojnd> I have a problem setting up wired network. I can't connect to it. But on wireless network I could connect.
[16:43] <frojnd> Does anyone know why comes to this?
[16:43] <sealuno> yo peolple
[16:43] <sealuno> speak
[16:44] <timri> coteyr: Ah, ok, in that case ifrename wont help you
[16:44] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: I have had problems with faulty cables before, that would be the first thing I would check
[16:44] <coteyr> timri, currenyl it changes, this is bacuase the mac on the nic is bad i am assuming for what I read
[16:44] <coteyr> but i should be able to set it staticly myself
[16:44] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, aha
[16:45] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: So if the lights on the ethernet card or on the router don't work, the cable is bad
[16:45] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, lights works..
[16:46] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: when i change from my wireless at home to the wired network at home, all i have to do is "sudo ifconfig ath0 down && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[16:46] <timri> coteyr: I understand, but why do you want that mac address fixed (mac based filtering or somesuch?), just curious
[16:46] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I have 2  comptuers that was connected to wifi before. This one (laptop) and I had to just to disable wireless wwith Fn + F2  But other computer is a box...
[16:46] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: What method are you trying? Network manager, or manual?
[16:47] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, network manager
[16:47] <coteyr> "Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC." on boot
[16:47] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, but if this doesn't work I'll try manually
[16:48] <timri> coteyr: Anyway, I would use ifrename based on businfo (lshw -class network coteyr: In that case, cant you use ifrename (with businfo selector) followed by a hwaddress stanza in network interfaces file?
[16:48] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: All you will need is the sufficient info in the /etc/network/interfaces for your wired card, and the appropriate resolv.conf
[16:48] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, Ok I don't know exactly what my settings for wifi or wired are... how can I check what is wifi and what not
[16:48] <timri> coteyr: ehh. messed up the formatting sry
[16:49] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Wired should be ethX, wifi might be different, depending on your card vendor
[16:49] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You could paste the "ifconfig" output, I am pretty sure it will be obvious which is which
[16:49] <tehk> domino is such a nice style
[16:50] <frojnd> just a sec MilhousePunkRock so I can paste it
[16:50] <ScorpKing> frojnd: run iwconfig
[16:50] <ScorpKing> it will show wifi cards
[16:50] <frojnd> ScorpKing, iwconfig: ra0 wireless....
[16:51] <frojnd> so it's wireless MilhousePunkRock and ScorpKing
[16:51] <ScorpKing> :D
[16:51] <frojnd> so now eth0 down
[16:51] <frojnd> I mean ra0 down
[16:51] <frojnd> and eth0 up ?
[16:51] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yes
[16:52] <frojnd> hm: sudo ra0: command not found
[16:52] <timri> coteyr: Found something: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/nvidia-nforce-network-adapter-has-different-mac-adress-every-boot-569576/?s=6564a1c7f03a48e8c96210a8ed92fc2a
[16:52] <frojnd> :S
[16:53] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: sudo ifconfig <interface> up/down
[16:53] <timri> frojnd: Sorry to interrupt, but I think Gutsy  use wlan0 instead of ra0 (serialmonkey drivers I think)
[16:54] <frojnd> timri, on the computer that won't connect is feisty
[16:54] <timri> frojnd: I KNEW I shouldnt interrupt without reading everything. Just ignore me :)
[16:55] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: He just got the interface name from iwconfig, it's 100% correct
[16:55] <frojnd> anyeays MilhousePunkRock http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42827/ ifconfig
[16:56] <frojnd> before I made sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[16:56] <frojnd> and now its the same ifconfig exepct ra0 is missing
[16:56] <frojnd> but it still won't connect
[16:56] <frojnd> hm..
[16:56] <ScorpKing> frojnd: if you use knetworkmanager what happens?
[16:56] <MilhousePunkRock> did you do sudo ifconfig eth0 up too?
[16:56] <E_mE> Ive just tried installing xserver-xgl with gutsy so i can get compiz working.. But when ever i do startx it just goes into X and doesn't continue to KDE
[16:57] <E_mE> im using an ATI x300
[16:57] <MilhousePunkRock> E_mE: #ubuntu-effects
[16:57] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes
[16:57] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yeah, I see, it's up... Can you ping anything? Make sure the IP, Gateway, Subnet and DNS are correct
[16:58] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, when I ping router: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[16:59] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, when I ping dns: network unreachable
[16:59] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That's weird...
[16:59] <E_mE> MilhousePunkRock: it doesn't seem to be compiz;s problem.. it appears to be xserver-xgl problem... since it refuses to go into KDE
[17:00] <MilhousePunkRock> E_mE: Well, I am sure the people in ubuntu-effects will know more about xgl than the people here..
[17:00] <aguitel> how open dwg files?
[17:00] <ScorpKing> aguitel: with a CAD program
[17:01] <E_mE> MilhousePunkRock: it rediverts to compiz-fusion
[17:01] <aguitel> ScorpKing: and for ubuntu what ?
[17:01] <ScorpKing> aguitel: search in google for linux cad programs
[17:02] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: Two different broadcast addresses???
[17:03] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, /etc/network/interfaces output after I took down ra0 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42828/
[17:03] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: Huh? There's probably only one broadcast address on the average SoHo network
[17:04] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: Yeah, but not in his ifconfig output :)
[17:04] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Do you have static adresses at all? You probably connected via that retarded network-manager before, it does not write to the interfaces, thus nothing about ra0 in there
[17:05] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes I have static IP
[17:05] <frojnd> if ur willing u can guide me through command line
[17:05] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: You are right...
[17:05] <frojnd> I have my own IP, gateway and subnet and dns..
[17:06] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Try adjusting the IP and broadcast according to what ra0 used to connect... Check your ifconfig paste, it's different IP ranges and a different broadcast
[17:06] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Which one is right?
[17:08] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I'm not sure what u mean:           inet addr:192.168.2.17  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0 this ?
[17:08] <I-love-debian> hello
[17:08] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yes, your ra0 is on 192.168.0.something, that's a different network
[17:09] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, this one isn't right
[17:09] <I-love-debian> I have installed kubuntu on an ntfs partition, how to make it a real install?
[17:09] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, 192.168.0 something was for wifi
[17:10] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, My IP: 192.168.2.17, gateway: 192.168.2.8
[17:10] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You have two seperate networks? For me, it's the same network for both wired and wifi machines
[17:10] <timri> frojnd: Your subnetting is a bit ehhh... weird you are using 2 class C networks
[17:10] <frojnd> anyway, now I only need wired network on this computer
[17:10] <frojnd> so I can set everything from ground up
[17:10] <frojnd> just don't know hoe
[17:10] <frojnd> how*
[17:10] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: But is it a different network?
[17:11] <timri> so change the wired subnet to match that of the wireless one
[17:11] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I still don't understatnd what u mea, 192.168.0something came form wifi somehow..
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: But isnt it the same network you are trying to connect to? Do you have two routers?
[17:12] <frojnd> now
[17:12] <frojnd> I  have one router
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Since I don't think so, just do what timri said
[17:12] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: That is always a good idea :)
[17:12] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: did you install on ntfs or a resized ntfs partition?
[17:12] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, only the UTP cable that is in my room seperates since I put in switch for multiple comps..
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Then you have one network, and the settings for eth0 will have to match those for ra0, except the IP
[17:13] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That does not make it a different subnet, I have a switch too since my router only has four ports
[17:13] <frojnd> aha
[17:13] <I-love-debian> On an regualr NTFS partition!
[17:13] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, where do I set this settings ?
[17:14] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Either edit the /etc/network/interfaces with root privileges
[17:14] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Or read the ifconfig man page how to pass it through from the cli ;)
[17:15] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I would reather hear help from u since u know how to fix it
[17:15] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: wow. lol. you just want to convert the current install to ext3 right? i dont know of any converters.
[17:15] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You could even use the manual setting that network-manager offers
[17:15] <I-love-debian> yes
[17:15] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I think my network-manager doesn't work right
[17:16] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: can't you reinstall?
[17:17] <W8TAH|Class> im planning to try building KVIRC from source -- i'll install build-essential -- is there anything else that anyone knows of right off the bat i should be installing to smooth the path?
[17:17] <I-love-debian> Yes, but i don't have a bios password, or any easy way to boot
[17:17] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42828/ what exactly do i have to change here
[17:17] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: I would say, that's not only your network manager, but network-manager in general, but that's just my humble opinion
[17:17] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, network-manager yes
[17:18] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Replace the .2. in address and gateway with .0. and you should be good to go
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, But this adress is correct :S
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, for this network
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I use it on my laptop right now
[17:19] <timri> frojnd: Is your router on that network?
[17:19] <frojnd> timri, yes
[17:20] <frojnd> those settings are correct, that's why is bugging me all this
[17:20] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to do a "apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic" and I get a lot of 404 errors, installing a package from the same archive works fine though, any ideas anyone?
[17:20] <timri> frojnd: Then why does your ifconfig tell something different? Remember: 192.168.0.* is not 192.168.2.* !!
[17:20] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: If you are using the same address, that's the reason! IPs are supposed to be unique
[17:21] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i think you will have to reinstall as there doesn't seem to be a converter for that.
[17:21] <frojnd> timri, MilhousePunkRock  so something mess this up, couse in network-manager are the same settings as in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:21] <timri> frojnd: Other point: Dont forget to reserve on your router a small range of static IP address (because you are obviously using them for the wired network)
[17:22] <I-love-debian> ok, how? No cd no usb missing bios pwd, and I have windows admin acces
[17:22] <frojnd> timri, it's the small range
[17:22] <pabligeno> hola
[17:22] <pabligeno> como estan
[17:22] <timri> frojnd: ?
[17:22] <pabligeno> how to install beryl in my hp 530?
[17:23] <frojnd> timri, this isn't the q. The Q is why do I  have to different IPs and how to correct this
[17:23] <MilhousePunkRock> pabligeno: #ubuntu-effects
[17:23] <timri> frojnd: To correct it: change the .2. in .0. or viceversa (cant remember)
[17:23] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Every IP can only be used once, if you ar already using it on your laptop, just add 1 to it and try again
[17:24] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: If he insists that is not his problem... ;)
[17:24] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: >)
[17:24] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, timri how can I explain 192.168.2.X is range.....
[17:24] <frojnd> it has to be 2 three...
[17:24] <frojnd> there
[17:24] <pabligeno> how is a spanish channel?
[17:24] <MilhousePunkRock> !es | pabligeno
[17:24] <ubotu> pabligeno: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[17:24] <timri> frojnd: Sorry but 192.168.2.* is a completely different network from 192.168.0.*
[17:25] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Are you in the IP range that is specified on your router?
[17:25] <frojnd> timri, I KNOW and I DON'T wanna 192.168.0.* :)
[17:25] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes, IPs has tobe from 1-20
[17:25] <timri> frojnd: :) so change the .0. in .2.
[17:25] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: And is it unused?
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes..
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, noone uses this IP
[17:26] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: And did you check ALL cables? since you said you use a switch...
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes
[17:26] <timri> frojnd: sudo sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces
[17:27] <timri> frojnd: Of course noone uses that IP, because IT IS ON ANOTHER NETWORK :)
[17:27]  * timri bashes head on table
[17:27]  * ScorpKing pass timri some aspirin..
[17:28] <timri> ScorpKing: Better give it to the table
[17:28] <garthis> hi there
[17:28] <frojnd> timri, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42830/
[17:28] <frojnd> timri, OK do u wan't to see settings from the computer that I'm on and is connected..
[17:29] <timri> frojnd: Ok, but just wait 2 minutes (bathroombreak)
[17:29] <garthis> i upgraded to gutsy, but i did not complete without problems. installing tool crashed several times and i am not sure it upgraded correctly
[17:30] <frojnd> timri, ok
[17:30] <frojnd> timri, just don't give up on me :P
[17:30] <garthis> so, how do i know everything's ok?
[17:30] <I-love-debian> I wan't to install debian, how do I make an ext3 partition without bios and cd boot
[17:30] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: YOU ARE TRYING TO CONNECT WITH THE SAME IP TWICE
[17:30] <MilhousePunkRock> pardon my shouting...
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Iam baaaaack!
[17:31] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: The computer you are on has the .17, the other one needs a different one
[17:31] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you use *ubuntu?
[17:31] <I-love-debian> kubuntu
[17:31] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: He is infact trying to re-use an already taken IP
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Everything would be easier if you used a dynamic IP
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Would you be OK with that?
[17:32] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: No way, static IP for the win... KISS principle
[17:32] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: sudo cfdisk /dev/hd?
[17:32] <fkm> Is someone here using KMail with the "Enterprise Headers"?
[17:32] <I-love-debian> Fatal error cannot open disk drive
[17:32] <timri> frojnd: ?
[17:33] <jpatrick> fkm: yeah, it's in the lastest kubuntu
[17:33] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: If we use dhcp we get rid of the two networks discussion
[17:33] <timri> frojnd: You still there?
[17:33] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: replace hd? with your disk and make sure it's not mounted
[17:34] <eagles0513875> im back
[17:34] <eagles0513875> and rather pissed off atm and jealous
[17:34] <fkm> jpatrick, Yepp. Do you also have the attachements not displayed completely? Here on my PC and on my laptop they are only displayed about half the width.
[17:34] <jpatrick> mine are fine
[17:34] <frojnd> timri, sorry
[17:34]  * timri cant use private messages (not registered)
[17:34] <frojnd> timri, Im still here
[17:34] <eagles0513875> !register |timri
[17:34] <fkm> jpatrick, Ok, thank you. That's enough motivation to try to fix it on my own :D
[17:35] <eagles0513875> !register
[17:35] <jpatrick> fkm: fixes are welcome :)
[17:35] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Just change the IP to something other than .17 and you are fine
[17:35] <eagles0513875> who broked the bot
[17:35] <I-love-debian> It isn't mounted
[17:35] <ubotu> timri: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[17:35] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, how can I restart network
[17:36] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: what is the disk called? /dev/<what?>
[17:36] <I-love-debian> Donno
[17:36] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: just up and down the interface... there is a more elegant, which I do not know from the top of my head
[17:36] <I-love-debian> hda0?
[17:36] <I-love-debian> hda0 or hda1 or hda3
[17:36] <fkm> jpatrick, First I have to find one :) But if you'd said that you got the same problem I'd rather post a bug-report than check what I've done wrong on my installations :)
[17:36] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: no. run ls /dev/ | grep hd
[17:36] <garthis> anyone else had eny problems with gutsy?
[17:37] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, well this doesn't work... MilhousePunkRock where are saved dns adresses?
[17:37] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, maybe dnss are wrong..
[17:37] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: So that would be "sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[17:37] <I-love-debian> ls /dev/ | grep hd no output
[17:37] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That's in /etc/resolv.conf
[17:37] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: run ls /dev/ | grep sd ?
[17:38] <ScorpKing> frojnd: do you have some kind of dailup for internet on that box?
[17:38] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, dns are OK I've changed IP and restart network but still unable to connect
[17:38] <I-love-debian> ptysd, ttysd, sda, sda1, sda2
[17:38] <frojnd> ScorpKing, nop
[17:38] <ScorpKing> ok nvm then
[17:38] <timri> frojnd: Repaste ifconfig output please
[17:39] <I-love-debian> taking to me?
[17:39] <eagles0513875> I-love-debian: if its in red he is talkign to u
[17:39] <I-love-debian> ok
[17:39] <eagles0513875> frojnd: have u tried a reboot
[17:39] <frojnd> eagles0513875,  NO
[17:40] <eagles0513875> frojnd: try that it suprises me what it fixes
[17:40] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: soz. i'm doing too many things at the same time. i only see sda* (one disk)
[17:40] <timri> eagles0513875: And then we would have learned nothing
[17:40] <I-love-debian> I had 5
[17:40] <eagles0513875> tim
[17:41] <timri> eagles0513875: eagles
[17:41] <eagles0513875> timri: yes
[17:41] <frojnd> timr
[17:41] <I-love-debian> so sda* is my hd? how to partition?
[17:41] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: how many hard drives do you have in that vox?
[17:41] <ScorpKing> box*
[17:41] <eagles0513875> timri: what r the odds that its more than just the ip address being the issue
[17:41] <fkm> Well, well... can't open the attachements aswell. Maybe I'll post a bugreport anyway :)
[17:41] <timri> frojnd: Still waiting for that ifconfig output
[17:41] <I-love-debian> 1
[17:41] <frojnd> timri: http://pastebin.com/m1bb96cd
[17:42] <timri> eagles0513875: Nah, he uses two different internal networks with one router
[17:42] <frojnd> timri, sorry I have to use usb flash and plug in and plug out ..
[17:42] <tim_> hay is eagals here
[17:42] <I-love-debian> I have only one harddrive
[17:43] <nite613__> Having trouble with NetworkManager, it basicaly functions as expected, but never seems to want to automatically connect to my wireless
[17:43] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: backup the stuff you want to keep to a cd/dvd or whatever and boot from a cd and reinstall
[17:43] <nite613__> On boot, and after every resume I need to manually pick it from the list even though it is listed as Trusted
[17:43] <ScorpKing> nite613__: use wifi-radar
[17:43] <I-love-debian> Cannot boot from cd
[17:43] <eagles0513875> tim_: goign to grab dinner ill be back
[17:43] <I-love-debian> bios is locked
[17:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, ur right
[17:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, reboot saves ALOT :D
[17:43] <tim_> hay eagles my wireless dosnt work hehehe and i used the resrticed drivers thingy
[17:43] <eagles0513875> frojnd: it worked
[17:43] <timri> frojnd: That ifconfig tells me your wireless is off.
[17:43] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: you have a floppy/stiffy driev in there?
[17:43] <ScorpKing> drive*
[17:44] <frojnd> timri, thanx for your concer
[17:44] <frojnd> n
[17:44] <eagles0513875> tim_: then u might need to do it the way u used to :(
[17:44] <I-love-debian> no floppy, got now idea what a stiffy is
[17:44] <eagles0513875> tim_: what model is ur broadcom
[17:44] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: what devices can you boot from?
[17:44] <tim_> broadcom 4318
[17:44] <timri> frojnd: Turn it back on please, than repaste ifconfig output
[17:44] <I-love-debian> harddrive
[17:45] <frojnd> timri, u wan't me to turn on wifi?
[17:45] <I-love-debian> and anything i can make the windows bootloader boot
[17:45] <nite613__> ScorpKing: I would really like NetworkManager's functionality of automatically jumping to the wired network if available
[17:45] <eagles0513875> tim_: can i grab something to eat and then i have a link for a reversed engineered driver that might work for ya if not u might need to do it the way u used to do it
[17:45] <nite613__> Would prefer help with NM than suggestions not to use it. It's teh edfault tool ffs
[17:45] <tim_> ok cooll thanks
[17:45] <timri> frojnd: Bring up the ra0 interface on the not-working computer, that will suffice for now
[17:46] <ahmed> hi
[17:46] <eagles0513875> tim_: i also need to finish this upgrade lol ill let u know when im back
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> !compiz
[17:46] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: can you make it boot from the cd or maybe a disk image?
[17:46] <frojnd> timri, but ir works now... I rebooted and it works..
[17:47] <I-love-debian> Not unless you tell me how to
[17:47] <timri> frojnd: It does? Cool, so we are ready here?
[17:47] <||arifaX> hi @all
[17:47] <frojnd> timri, ready :)
[17:47] <frojnd> timri,  thanx for your help
[17:48] <timri> frojnd: You're welcome (my table hates you though :) )
[17:48] <frojnd> timri, lol
[17:48] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: there is a bootloader floppy image on the kubuntu cd in iso/install/sbm.bin . maybe you can boot from it in grub and select the cdrom to boot from.
[17:48] <I-love-debian> i can load grub
[17:49] <I-love-debian> but to get anyfuther than kubunut from an ntfs partiton is difficult
[17:50] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i see. let me see if i can find something for the grub config to boot a disk image..
[17:50] <I-love-debian> but i want it to partition
[17:51] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: you cannot do it if the disk is mounted. you have to boot from a cd to be safe.
[17:51] <tim_> does any one knwo why my wireless card stop at 57%
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> tim_ thats just a little vague
[17:52] <I-love-debian> I don't care about data, if everything goes to hell i'will just never use widnows again
[17:52] <tim_> ok my wireless card stops at ip configuration which happens to be 57% connection
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> it dosent fully get configured you mean. :)
[17:52] <tim_> yea
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Interesting...   try setting a Static ip for it?
[17:52] <ScorpKing> tim_: click on the wireless connection a few times.
[17:53] <tim_> its on its workign it can see wireless netyworks but dosnt get configured
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive basicially given up on wireless for now. :()
[17:54] <ScorpKing> tim_: do you have some kind of security on those networks?
[17:56] <tim_> lol fun to know
[17:57] <ScorpKing> tim_: if you have that could be the problem.
[17:59] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: found it i think - http://anti.teamidiot.de/nusse/2007/04/booting_floppy_images_using_gr/
[18:00] <Malix> Hi all.
[18:00] <I-love-debian> I don't have a floppy drive!
[18:01] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i know.
[18:01] <Malix> I'm losing my mind here, _how_ does one play dvd's in kubuntu 7.10 (amd64). Been googling a while and haven't found anything worthwhile
[18:01] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i'm working on it. just gimme a sec..
[18:06] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: go here - http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/ - and download syslinux-3.52.zip
[18:07] <I-love-debian> do i need windows for it?
[18:07] <ScorpKing> no
[18:07] <ScorpKing> it won't work in windows.
[18:07] <I-love-debian> ok
[18:08]  * ScorpKing will be back in a sec.. munching..
[18:11] <frojnd> Does anyone here use ati card. I specificly use mobility x1400 and if he or she managed to install driver. And where were the howtos posted
[18:12]  * ScorpKing is back..
[18:13] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: did you download it?
[18:13] <I-love-debian> yes
[18:13] <ScorpKing> extract ir somewhere
[18:13] <ScorpKing> it*
[18:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: i got ati radeon x1200 in my notebook
[18:13] <I-love-debian> so what now?
[18:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how did u install it ? do u have how to ?
[18:14] <||arifaX> frojnd: I have one in my personal blog
[18:14] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: open konsole and go to the directory where you extracted it to
[18:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, link?
[18:15] <I-love-debian> done
[18:16] <ScorpKing> go to the memdisk directory there
[18:16] <||arifaX> frojnd: its german but should not matter . one moment
[18:17] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: cd to the memdisk directory there
[18:17] <||arifaX> frojnd: follow the invitation
[18:18] <I-love-debian> done
[18:18] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: sudo cp memdisk /boot/
[18:19] <I-love-debian> what did that do? no output!
[18:19] <ScorpKing> copy
[18:19] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you have a kubuntu cd? put it in the drive.
[18:20] <methods[laptop]> hey why is adept_updator telling me there is a new version if i just installed the latest from cd lol!!! ???
[18:20] <I-love-debian> no, it had scratches, and showed 500 error messages at boot
[18:20] <I-love-debian> have a debian cd with kde, would it work?
[18:21] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i don't know. is there a way i can send you the floppy image? do you use konversation?
[18:21] <I-love-debian> konversation?
[18:21] <ScorpKing> for irc
[18:21] <I-love-debian> yes
[18:22] <ScorpKing> can i send you the file?
[18:22] <I-love-debian> sure
[18:22] <ScorpKing> ok one sec. let me get it.
[18:23] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: look in the DCC Satus tab
[18:24] <I-love-debian> I don't have a floppy drive, do i need one?
[18:24] <ScorpKing> no
[18:24] <ScorpKing> this is why we do this. coz you have no floppy
[18:24] <I-love-debian> it said failure
[18:25] <ScorpKing> :(
[18:25] <I-love-debian> kan I configure grub to boot a debian cd?
[18:25] <ScorpKing> why does konversation never want to let me send or receive files?
[18:26] <I-love-debian> firewall? isp? work? school?
[18:26] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: that is what we're doing now.
[18:26] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[18:26] <contrast83> Anyone else having problems with GDebi?
[18:26] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you see my pm?
[18:26] <I-love-debian> I have, where can i get it?
[18:27] <I-love-debian> yes, but i cant write
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: back
[18:27] <ScorpKing> !register
[18:27] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[18:27] <ScorpKing> heh
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: u there
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: time to reboot
[18:27] <I-love-debian> ok I give up
[18:27] <Roey> I-love-debian:  wow, great nick :)
[18:28] <Roey> I-love-debian:  emblazoned on your nick no less
[18:28] <I-love-debian> yeah
[18:28] <Roey> heheehe
[18:28] <Roey> :)
[18:28] <Roey> cool
[18:28] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: don't give up yet.
[18:28] <I-love-debian> can you remotley fix it?
[18:28] <ScorpKing> yes
[18:29] <I-love-debian> how?
[18:29] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: register your nick
[18:29] <I-love-debian> command?
[18:29] <ScorpKing> someone? plz..
[18:29] <I-love-debian> how do i register? want only the command
[18:31] <eagles0513875> tim_: im back
[18:31] <contrast83> I'm getting this when I try to run GDebi - http://pastebin.com/d183a618 . Any ideas? I already tried reinstalling python-kde3 (the package that contains kparts.so), no luck.
[18:31] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: /msg nickserv REGISTER <password>
[18:32] <mushroom_> anyone feeling the pain of fglrx right now?
[18:32] <I-love-debian>  /msg nickserv REGISTER 4545
[18:32] <I-love-debian> doh
[18:32] <contrast83> heh
[18:32] <ScorpKing> hehe
[18:32] <mushroom_> fired
[18:32] <||arifaX> ScorpKing: oh oh
[18:32] <ScorpKing> lol
[18:33] <||arifaX> I-love-debian: you should change it now :)
[18:34] <ironadmin> hola
[18:34] <frb-work> hidey ho
[18:35] <frb-work> I have gutsy on my T60p, but when I suspend to ram, it shuts down X, and goes to the console with a single blinking underbar at the top left corner
[18:35] <eagles0513875> where do i change some kernel setting where is that file located
[18:35] <frb-work> it never really suspends, and won't wake up
[18:35] <ScorpKing> frb-work: same here
[18:36] <I-love-debian> change what?
[18:36] <ScorpKing> your password
[18:36] <||arifaX> frb-work: I think you have to do some module unloading during suspend and loading after waking up. would be an experiment I think but I think google could help
[18:37] <dergringo> frb-work: Maybe this is helpful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_Feisty_Fawn_on_a_ThinkPad_T60p
[18:37] <dergringo> frb-work: "Step 8) Now, the wireless card works at top speed and reliably, and the wireless hotkey and the wireless light work, and suspend to RAM does not mess things up."
[18:39] <frb-work> bleh, ndiswrapper
[18:39] <eagles0513875> frb-work: lol tell me bout it
[18:39] <eagles0513875> frb-work: i used to have to use it but now more now that im on gutsy
[18:40] <RCG1984> hello all, I'm receiving this error while trying to download/install bcomipler-0.8: checking for BZip2 in default path... not found, configure: error: Please reinstall the BZip2 distribution, and and ERROR: `/tmp/pear/download/bcompiler-0.8/configure' failed.
[18:40] <dergringo> I habe a T61 and most of the acpi stuff ist not running :(
[18:40] <dergringo> have
[18:41] <RCG1984> I know I have BZip2 installed and apparently the install is looking in a directory where it wasn't installed to.  Is it possible to set a flag to tell the install where to find BZip2?
[18:41] <||arifaX> frb-work: I am glad that ndiswrapper exists - Thanks for it to all who are involved!
[18:41] <RCG1984> crap wrong channel
[18:41] <dergringo> RCG1984: sudo apt-get install --reinstall bzip2
[18:42] <timri> RCG1984: install the libbz2-dev library (apt-get install libbz2-dev) and try installing bcompiler from PECL again.
[18:42] <timri> RCG1984: from: http://php.net/bcompiler
[18:43] <eagles0513875> ||arifaX: what i dont get is why in kubuntu its split into 3 pkgs
[18:43] <Doctor_Nick> >:0
[18:43] <eagles0513875> Doctor_Nick: ?
[18:44] <timri> dergringo: reinstalling wont work, he needs the dev package
[18:44] <frb-work> it is sad that my card is "supported" in linux, but ndiswrapper is better
[18:45] <eagles0513875> frb-work: no its not its a god send
[18:45] <eagles0513875> frb-work: what card do u have
[18:45] <dergringo> timri: I don't know what he is doing I just told him how to reinstall the package. Sorry.
[18:46] <frb-work> intel 3945A
[18:46] <pabligeno> what is the channel
[18:46] <pabligeno> for compiz
[18:46] <timri> dergringo: He typed in the wrong channel, should be #php I guess :) Funny thing is: he got an answer here right away.
[18:46] <pabligeno> and graphics
[18:46] <pabligeno> ?
[18:46] <frb-work> #ubuntu-effects
[18:46] <eagles0513875> frb-work: if its supported thank god u dont have to go through the head ache that i did with my wifi but now i dont any more
[18:46] <pabligeno> thanks
[18:47] <eagles0513875> i have an ati radeon xpress 200m and im glad i dont have to black list or mess around wiht the xorg.conf any more
[18:47] <eagles0513875> !games
[18:47] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[18:47] <methods[laptop]> ! source o matic ?
[18:47] <RCG1984> timri: It always seems as if I need the -dev packages with every programing package.  I always forget to install them ;-) thanks for the help
[18:47] <||arifaX> eagles0513875: ndiswrapper-common and the utils - this are 2 packages
[18:48] <eagles0513875> there is a 3rd one that i used in edgy i think it was or feisty
[18:48] <timri> RCG1984: You're welcome (you wouldnt believe the amount of -dev packages on my system)
[18:48] <methods[laptop]> do all the ubuntu's use the same sources ?
[18:48] <||arifaX> eagles0513875: better you have packages instead of manually doing everything.
[18:49] <eagles0513875> true
[18:49] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: i dont see why they wouldnt
[18:49] <methods[laptop]> me either! :]
[18:49] <frb-work> oops, intel 3945ABG
[18:49] <timri> methods[laptop]: They all use *.ubuntu.com AFAIK
[18:49] <frb-work> I'm currently in windows on the laptop because it works :)
[18:49] <methods[laptop]> how do i know which version of ubuntu i have installed ?
[18:49] <eagles0513875> frb-work: well i have a broadcom that was more of a headache
[18:49] <frb-work> eagles0513875: I've done that
[18:49] <eagles0513875> frb-work: urs doesnt work out of the box in gutsy
[18:50] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: what version of kde r u running
[18:50] <frb-work> I used a bcm4306 on x64 linux with ndiswrapper
[18:50] <eagles0513875> frb-work: dude i have that same card and its supported by gutsy to where u dont need that any more
[18:50] <frb-work> well, it wasn't supported when I used it :P
[18:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:51] <eagles0513875> when it wasnt supported i had a pcmcia card that i used
[18:51] <methods[laptop]> how do i find out ?
[18:51] <timri> methods[laptop]: look in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[18:51] <eagles0513875> click on help then about kde
[18:51] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: or what timri said
[18:51] <methods[laptop]> 4.3.5.8 ?
[18:51] <eagles0513875> that doesnt help cuz ur beta testing kde4
[18:51] <timri> methods[laptop]: that is gutsy
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]
[18:52] <eagles0513875> 3.5.8 is gutsy for sure but doesnt that mean hes trying out kde4
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> thats the dam newest right ?
[18:52] <eagles0513875> 3.5.8 and gutsy is
[18:52] <timri> methods[laptop]: the latest stable, yes
[18:52] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: u testing kde4
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> so why would adept_updator tell me there is a new version ?
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> i just installed !
[18:53] <eagles0513875> after i finish downloading this game i need to reboot so i my open gl is enabled
[18:53] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]:
[18:53] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: u probably have some pkgs that rnt update
[18:53] <eagles0513875> d
[18:53] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc!
[18:54] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca: Hello
[18:54] <timri> eagles0513875: ctrl-alt-backspace not enough?
[18:54] <methods[laptop]> i dont think thats it ....
[18:54] <timri> methods[laptop]: its a known bug if I recall correctly
[18:55] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc: simplement, des que em vaig actualitzar al gutsy que el driver "ati" no em va bé, fins aleshores m'havia anat de conya.
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> oh lol
[18:55] <timri> !fr
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> so whats up with compiz-kde ?
[18:55] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> does it make the pager work ?
[18:55] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc: ara m'he hagut de posar el "vesa" perquè si em poso l'ati es veuen quatre pantalles a la meva pantalla xD
[18:56] <SMP_ca> !vesa
[18:56] <ubotu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
[18:56] <dergringo> !es
[18:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:56] <dergringo> !it
[18:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:56] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca: Yes... you should speak english here...
[18:56] <timri> SMP_ca: Just curious: what language is that?
[18:56] <Iradigalesc> timri: Catalan
[18:56] <SMP_ca> Catalan (ca) xD
[18:56] <dergringo> :D
[18:57] <dergringo> so
[18:57] <dergringo> :)
[18:57] <dergringo> !ca
[18:57] <ubotu> Canadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca
[18:57] <dergringo> -.-
[18:57] <timri> Ah, ok, I should know it always looks (and sounds) a bit Portugues to me :)
[18:57] <SMP_ca> but, can I explain my problem un english?
[18:57] <timri> dergringo: Other side of the world!
[18:57] <dergringo> :P
[18:57] <timri> SMP_ca: Please do
[18:58] <SMP_ca> Since I upgraded to Gutsy I have not been able to use "ati" driver, I have to use "vesa" as with ati I see four small screeens in my screen :-D
[18:59] <eagles0513875> dergringo: u know catalan is a form of spanish
[18:59] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca said that he need to configure his graphic card to use the vesa driver because if he uses Ati driver (his default driver, I suppouse), he saw 4 screens; Maybe that because of compiz
[18:59] <timri> eagles0513875: You REALLY do not want to go in that hornets nest, trust me
[18:59] <eagles0513875> SMP_ca: what card do u have i have mine which is a radeon xpress 200m found by the restricted drivers gui and i go in and check  its ati
[18:59] <eagles0513875> timri: lol is it that bad
[19:00] <SMP_ca> no, I do not use compiz...
[19:00] <dergringo> timri: To be honest. I'm just reading at wikipedia bout catalan :D
[19:00] <eagles0513875> dergringo: lol
[19:00] <Ginnungagap> good evening
[19:00] <SMP_ca> radeon 9250
[19:00] <W8TAH> is there an op about?
[19:00] <eagles0513875> dont they usually say the older the card the easier it is to config
[19:00] <timri> dergringo: http://xkcd.com/333/
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: y do u need an op
[19:01] <SMP_ca> Catalan is not Spanish, it is a different language
[19:01] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[19:01] <W8TAH> id like to speak in private to one to advise them of a potential problem
[19:01] <eagles0513875> SMP_ca: isnt it a spanish dialect
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: im no help
[19:01] <eagles0513875> !op
[19:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[19:01] <W8TAH> thank you
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: there u go thats the list of ops
[19:01] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, ?
[19:01] <PriceChild> grrrrrr
[19:01] <eagles0513875> w
[19:02] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: w8tah wants to chat 1v1 on a potential problem
[19:02] <methods[laptop]> is there an nx package ?
[19:02] <timri> SMP_ca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43788
[19:02] <SMP_ca> no, in Barcelona you can see a lot of Catalan-Spanish bylingual signalling
[19:02] <dergringo> timri: lol!
[19:02] <eagles0513875> oh
[19:02] <W8TAH> PriceChild: may i PM you?
[19:02] <timri> SMP_ca: suggest changing the agpmode. I have no clue how, though
[19:02] <methods[laptop]> nx viewer ?
[19:02] <I-love-debian> here?
[19:03] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, please do not use that factoid as it pings all operators.
[19:03] <SMP_ca> I-love-debian?
[19:03] <PriceChild> W8TAH, of course
[19:03] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: sry didnt know that
[19:03] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, W8TAH in future, please use /msg chanserv access #channel list
[19:03] <Ginnungagap> I have recived an "Asus MyCinema-P7131" today, but I am unable to make it work. I made shure, that saa7134 and saa7134-alsa are loaded and I am able to find some channels in KDETV, but I cannot make it show video nor can I make it output the audio.
[19:03] <I-love-debian> yes
[19:03] <timri> SMP_ca: Have you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43788 ?
[19:03] <galathalion> anyone know where to get compizplugins for KDe?
[19:03] <dergringo> timri: well it is a mix-up of french, spanish and portugese. I should be ashame because I live in Switzerland :/
[19:03] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[19:03] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz | galathalion
[19:03] <ubotu> galathalion: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:04] <Ginnungagap> I hope someone of you knows what to to. I would be very glad about some help
[19:04] <SMP_ca> timri: no, thanks, it may be related
[19:04] <timri> dergringo: Which uses a mixup of german italian and french amongst other things (didnt have to look that up)
[19:05] <timri> SMP_ca: They talk about the agpmode, but I have no clue how to change that
[19:05] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: ok sry about that
[19:05] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, well now you know :) Have fun.
[19:05] <dergringo> timri: what is using a mixup of german italan and french?
[19:05] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: thanks
[19:05] <methods[laptop]> anyone ?
[19:05] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: ?
[19:05] <Ginnungagap> can't anyone of you help me?
[19:06] <timri> dergringo: The swiss (well, not really a mixup)
[19:06] <methods[laptop]> nx viewer ?
[19:06] <eagles0513875> !ask |ginungagap
[19:06] <ubotu> ginungagap: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:06] <SMP_ca> well, I'm going to try
[19:06] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: im no help
[19:06] <dergringo> timri: If you mean Switzerland. It is no mixup. We just got four official languages. Someone should wipe them off and make english the official one :D
[19:06] <timri> dergringo: Which reminds me: today is sga-bsg day on rtlII
[19:07] <dergringo> I don't like scifi :)
[19:07] <Ginnungagap> I like to know what to do to make a "Asus MyCinema-P7134" analog TV-Card (Phillips tuner) work on Kubuntu 7.10. So what can/must I do?
[19:08] <Ginnungagap> I hope my English is not too bad. I am not a native speaker as you may have discovered.
[19:09] <pabligeno> mmmmm
[19:09] <pabligeno> what is the channel for compiz?
[19:09] <timri> Ginnungagap: I think it is supported by v4l
[19:09] <sub[t]rnl> #compiz-fusion
[19:11] <timri> brb
[19:11] <Ginnungagap> I made sure that saa7134 and saa7134-alsa are loaded. But although it found my channels KDETV neighter outputs video nor audio.
[19:11] <Ginnungagap> So something went wrong, I think, if the divice is sopported
[19:12] <Ginnungagap> supported, sry
[19:12] <garthis> how do i get rid of dolphin?
[19:12] <methods[laptop]> how do i start up kde-compiz ?
[19:13] <timri> garthis: aptitude purgre dolphin
[19:13] <timri> garthis: aptitude purge dolphin
[19:13] <sub[t]rnl> methods[laptop]: alt+f2 and type compiz --replace , or put it in the kde Autostart directory
[19:13] <garthis> got it
[19:14] <timri> garthis: Was one of the first things I removed after installing Gutsy
[19:15] <timri> Ginnungagap: adduser tv audio
[19:15] <timri> Ginnungagap: See: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa
[19:16] <garthis> timri: right, perhaps you know how to gert old seacrh tool back too? =)
[19:16] <Ginnungagap> imri:do you mean I am not member of these groups?
[19:16] <garthis> timri: right, perhaps you know how to get old search tool back too? =)
[19:16] <timri> garthis: it is called kfind
[19:16] <timri> garthis: And, strangely, it is something although installed, I had to add to the kmenu manually
[19:17] <Ginnungagap> thnks, I'll read it now, but that'll take some time, because it's English and I am not perfect in understandig it. But thanks!
[19:17] <timri> garthis: to remove the new find stuff: aptitude purge strigi-daemon
[19:18] <timri> Ginnungagap: You're welcome
[19:18] <pabligeno> what is kubuntu  in spanish??
[19:18] <timri> garthis: and remove ~/.strigim (that is the cache)
[19:18] <timri> pabligeno: You mean the irc channel?
[19:19] <timri> garthis: ~/.strigi I mean
[19:19] <jpatrick> pabligeno: kubuntu?
[19:19] <jpatrick> !es | pabligeno
[19:19] <ubotu> pabligeno: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[19:20] <pabligeno> thanks jpatrick
[19:20] <xavier_> hey there -bonsoir a tous
[19:20] <Minnozz> Hi, my internet is _very_ slow at the moment, how can I see what's causing that?
[19:21] <timri> brb
[19:21] <xavier_> nice bug here - when i use the "turn off " button my Pc shut down wait 1min and wake up himself !!!
[19:21] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: Check if you are dropping any packets with ifconfig
[19:21] <garthis> timri: this wants to remove all kinds of stuff for about 100 MB. is this ok?
[19:22] <xavier_> if i turn it off with a Konsole it worx properly.... any idea?
[19:22] <methods[laptop]> hm so the compiz-kde package doesn't make paging work ?
[19:22] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: dropped:0
[19:22] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: Wireless or cable?
[19:22] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: cable (wireless drove me mad)
[19:23] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: If your not getting any packets dropped on your end, you might want to run a speed test online.  If things still appear slower than usual, it could be the modem signal strength, or modem "flaps"
[19:23] <timri> garthis: whoa? what does? the aptitude step ?
[19:23] <methods[laptop]> looks like compiz still only works well witih gnome ?
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> call your provider and ask them how many flaps your modem is receiving
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> methods[laptop]: compiz works well with kde too
[19:24] <methods[laptop]> the pager is still messed up
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> i don't use it
[19:25] <timri> garthis: hello?
[19:25] <garthis> timri: false alarm! :D they were just some scraps of compiz which i removed previously
[19:25] <timri> garthis: ah, ok
[19:25] <timri> sub[t]rnl: I just learned something new from you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_flapping)
[19:25] <xavier_>  nice bug here - when i use the "turn off " button my Pc shut down wait 1min and wake up himself !!!however when i use the Konsloe it worx fine ....... :o
[19:26] <timri> xavier_: Ran into that one on dapper, I never got it to work correctly
[19:26] <blendtux> maybe you can do something about the background is not right it looks if its hanging to one site
[19:27] <blendtux> and do a high render, if you have a fast computer
[19:27] <xavier_> im using 7.10
[19:27] <methods[laptop]> yea man the pager is messed up and when compiz starts at kde start systray icons still end up floating around
[19:27] <garthis> timri: one more question i forgot to ask.. after i remove dolphin, what do i do next?
[19:27] <timri> xavier_: I doubt I could help you on this one. What motherboard?
[19:28] <xavier_> i dunno whats the command?
[19:28] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: I did the speedtest, 8 times slower than normal
[19:28] <timri> garthis: Rejoice of course. On a more serious note: I use konqueror with a filemanager profile.
[19:28] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: I would call your provider asap.
[19:28] <timri> xavier_: there's no command for that ?)
[19:28] <sub[t]rnl> see if theres anything going on
[19:29] <timo> does anybody know of a programme that will tell me what hardware I have on my computer. Its really old and I don't remember what I have in it
[19:29] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: it's 8:30pm here so I can't call them now
[19:29] <timri> timo: lspci
[19:29] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: but it's happening a lot the last time
[19:29] <xavier_> timri: kk i gonna check it
[19:29] <methods> sub[t]rnl: hey yea... so thye never fixed the pager issue ?
[19:30] <sub[t]rnl> methods: as in, it starts up with a different number of pagers?
[19:30] <timo> timri: I need to know my ram and processor specs too
[19:30] <xavier_> timri: MSI 865PE Neo2 -P
[19:30] <sub[t]rnl> methods: I know the pager issues have been addressed on launchpad, havn't been tracking it to see if its been resolved yet though
[19:30] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  no i mean compiz never worked with the kde pager.... right now its showing me 12 desktops and clicking them does nothing...
[19:31] <timri> timo: kinfocenter
[19:31] <sub[t]rnl> methods: heh, that sounds like you don't have compiz setup properly
[19:31] <sub[t]rnl> methods: #compiz-fusion will answer you
[19:31] <timri> xavier_: one moment please
[19:31] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  what do you mean setup.... i thought compiz-kde and kubuntu had it handeled ?
[19:31] <xavier_> timri: no problem mon!
[19:32] <garthis> timri: thank you, for your help =)
[19:32] <timri> garthis: You're welcome
[19:32] <blendtux> wich package do i have to install to run a webserver with php
[19:33] <sub[t]rnl> methods: they do have it handled, but we can't stop user error
[19:33] <timo> timri: what I want to know is the speed of my ram (Mhz)
[19:33] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  what erorr? i opened up adept and installed compiz-fusion
[19:34] <sub[t]rnl> methods: look in ccsm, show me your horizontal Virtual Size, Vertical Virtual size, and Number of Desktops
[19:34] <methods> ccsm ?
[19:34] <Ginnungagap> timri: there is no group named tv in my system. And I am alreday member of the group audio
[19:34] <sub[t]rnl> it'll be under General Options, in compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:37] <timri> xavier_: Sorry, but as I feared I found absolutely nothing on your problem.
[19:38] <xavier_> uh bad news - nobody have a clue bout that
[19:38] <dpoole> hi everyone
[19:39] <timri> xavier_: If you find out: let me know (I have a similar problem on a Asus board, tried fiddling with the BIOS, everything, to no avail) good luck
[19:39] <dpoole> so is 7.04 ubuntu really worth it?
[19:39] <timri> dpoole: 7.10?
[19:39] <xavier_> timri: thx for your help anyway
[19:39] <dpoole> yea
[19:39] <timri> Ginnungagap: have you tried mplayer with the tv:/ urls ?
[19:39] <dpoole> i have 6.10 and downloading 7 now
[19:40] <timri> dpoole: Personally I like the new fontsettings a LOT
[19:40] <Ginnungagap> timri:not yet. I have no mplayer installt. I'll install it and try
[19:40] <xavier_> timri: kk gimme your mail and i ll keep you aware of that
[19:40] <dpoole> i had mandriva and i like ubuntu alot more
[19:41] <timri> xavier_: No need to mail me I will find It out, but thanks :)
[19:42] <timri> dpoole: what are the best/worst points for you?
[19:42] <dpoole> between mandriva and ubuntu u mean?
[19:43] <garthis> somebody say something about fonts?
[19:43] <timri> dpoole: between mandrive and Kubuntu
[19:43] <timri> garthis: Yeah, I said I liked them in gutsy
[19:43] <Ginnungagap> timri: I connot instasll mplayer. aptitude says, that the connection to the server hosting the repository fails.
[19:43] <dpoole> i would say kubuntu is much better
[19:43] <dpoole> pretty much say layout but just better stability
[19:44] <timri> Ginnungagap: :( then you have to wait
[19:44] <dpoole> one thing is that i'm looking for a good dvd player software alot of software doesn't play due to codec stuff
[19:44] <garthis> why won't it allow mw to change some of the fonts?
[19:44] <xavier_> dpoole: use VLC
[19:45] <Ginnungagap> timri: thats, what I frear. So I'll stop my trys for today and thank you for your help. I hope that I'll have access to the server tomorrow.
[19:45] <timri> dpoole: I compile mplayer myself, it plays everything I throw at it (including the broken quicktime movies from my camera that vlc refuses)
[19:46] <timri> Ginnungagap: Good luck
[19:46] <dpoole> im not good at compile i'm new to linx
[19:46] <dpoole> linux
[19:46] <xavier_> dpoole: are you french ?
[19:47] <timri> dpoole: It was the first time for me on linux as well
[19:47] <timri> dpoole: and after a lot of googling I finally got it right. It is really easy now (mplayer builds the package for you).
[19:48] <frb-work> ok, so the ndiswrapper instructions were for a non-intel card
[19:48] <eagles0513875> !games
[19:48] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[19:49] <frb-work> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307731 according to this, removing powernowd solves it
[19:50] <frb-work> will my cpu still scale without the daemon?
[19:51] <eagles0513875> i didnt think alot of games i would try would actually work after enablign open gl
[19:51] <xavier_> anybody have the adresse of the Fr Kubuntu IRC???
[19:51] <eagles0513875> !fr
[19:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:51] <eagles0513875> there u go
[19:52] <dpoole> hey timri is there any good software for mobile phones sometimes i like to connect with internet wth my phone
[19:52] <timri> frb-work: hover your mouse over the green battery in your taskbar
[19:52] <smooth> hey all
[19:52] <flithm> hey does anyone know why adept doesn't have all the same packages as synaptic?
[19:52] <eagles0513875> dpoole: i did read in linux format magazine that canonical is developing a mobile version of kubuntu
[19:53] <timri> dpoole: I have no clue. I threw out the damn thing - drove me nuts :)
[19:53] <smooth> i just loaded up kubutu gutsy and now i can't mount my ext3 partitions...
[19:53] <frb-work> timri: I haven't booted back into ubuntu yet
[19:53] <smooth> i get the error hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[19:53] <smooth> any ideas?
[19:53] <epimeth> ummmm... how do I quit compiz?
[19:53] <genii> !info wammu
[19:53] <ubotu> wammu: Phone manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.22-1 (gutsy), package size 349 kB, installed size 1524 kB
[19:53] <eagles0513875> smooth: easy fix right click on it and go into properties and then disable the option use as user or something along those lines
[19:54] <dpoole> its the only reason why i have windows left on my computer because i use pdanet to connect when i'm on the road
[19:54] <timri> frb-work: maybe a really stupid question, but: how are you on irc without computer
[19:54] <smooth> hmm...cant find it eagles...
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: let me take a look at something brb
[19:55] <smooth> k
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: u should find it under mount
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: click on properties then mount tab
[19:55] <frb-work> timri: first, I have 3 computers on my desk at the ofice, second, this laptop also has Vista
[19:55] <smooth> k
[19:56] <timri> frb-work: ah, ok :)
[19:56] <smooth> properties...in a right click of a partition?
[19:56] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, Has the beta4 of kde4 been release yet for kubuntu?
[19:57] <frb-work> anyway, I'll go boot it back into linux, and see if killing powernowd helps
[19:58] <smooth> cant find the use as user part eagles
[19:59] <timri> dpoole: Is that pdanet on a treo (googled it, I have no idea what I just said, btw) ?
[20:01] <smooth> you there eagles?
[20:01] <timri> dpoole: hello ?
[20:01] <smooth> hello...
[20:03] <timri> dpoole: if so, you could try http://www.treoquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=856 and http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/Using_Linux_and_Bluetooth_DUN_with_the_Treo650.php
[20:05] <frb-screen> it didn't work :(
[20:05] <timri> frb-screen: merde
[20:05] <frb-screen> it's stuck with the flashing cursor again without a proper suspend
[20:06] <timri> frb-screen: do you still have freq scaling?
[20:06] <frb-screen> according to the battery thing, yes
[20:06] <timri> frb-screen: ok
[20:06] <smooth> hey
[20:07] <frb-screen> I stopped powernowd, and set frequency to dynamic, it was 1GHz before I closed the lid
[20:07] <frb-screen> Intel T2600 cpu
[20:07] <smooth> still having issues with mounting my ext3's in kubuntu gutsy
[20:08] <smooth> with a hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 error
[20:08] <smooth> any ideas?
[20:08] <smooth> anyone?
[20:08] <timri> smooth: You tried the link I gave you before (launchpad) ?
[20:09] <smooth> ?
[20:09] <smooth> never saw the link sorry
[20:09] <smooth> my bad
[20:09] <smooth> could you send it again please
[20:10] <timri> smooth: have to go now, I will try  to join again later (hopefully with the link)
[20:10] <dpoole> thank u tmiri
[20:10] <smooth> k
[20:10] <timri> smooth: IIRC it had to do with removing unneeded udev rules
[20:10] <frb-screen> what's the dpkg equiv of rpm -qf ?
[20:10] <timri> frb-screen: good luck
[20:10] <frb-screen> -qf says "What package owns this file?"
[20:11] <smooth> ok
[20:11] <ardchoille> frb-screen: dpkg -S ?
[20:11] <frb-screen> thanks
[20:12] <frb-screen> it's been years since I've used dpkg extensively :)
[20:12] <ardchoille> frb-screen: Some things are easy to forget if you don't use them often :)
[20:17] <mike_____> hello all
[20:17] <mm_202> If anyone here is from MO, USA, join #missouri.   [this is not a spam msg]
[20:17] <mike_____> i have a question.... how can i safely uninstall kubuntu so that i can boot windows
[20:19] <mm_202> mike_____: if you still have Windows installed, LILO (or whatever boot loader you use) would present a selection menu for you to select the OS to boot to.
[20:19] <frb-screen> if he kills linux, his grub menu will break
[20:20] <frb-screen> mike_____: ask ##windows how to recover the windows bootloader
[20:20] <mm_202> If you dont have Windows as an option, that means that you're Windows partition is gone.
[20:20] <mm_202> frb-screen: good point.
[20:20] <mike_____> yes but i want to uninstall linux.... and i'm afraid formating the linux partitions won't let me boot windows again
[20:20] <mm_202> mike_____: why would you want to get rid of Linux??   Crazy talk.
[20:20] <frb-screen> I could tell you, but it's a topic they know very well :)
[20:21] <mike_____> i wanted linux to make it a media center
[20:21] <mike_____> but it deosn't recognize my tv tuner
[20:21] <mike_____> so i't useless
[20:21] <mm_202> No
[20:21] <mike_____> and i want to install windows media center
[20:21] <mm_202> that means you just have to write your own drivers :)  Its not the linux community works :)
[20:22] <mike_____> i have no idea how to write my own drivers
[20:22] <mike_____> the thing is kubuntu doesn't recognize my tv tuner but open suse did
[20:22] <mm_202> it was a joke, I doubt that 10% of the users in here do.
[20:23] <mm_202> mike_____: Im sure that you can find a pkg for your tuner that would work in kubuntu
[20:23] <ardchoille> mike_____: Just because kubuntu doesn't recognise your tv tuner doesn't mean other Linux distro won't too
[20:24] <mike_____> yeah i know
[20:24] <mike_____> i didn't like opensuse so i tried kubuntu
[20:24] <mike_____> and it's cooler
[20:24] <ardchoille> mike_____: Try knopmyth
[20:24] <mike_____> i tried mythbuntu
[20:24] <mike_____> but nothing
[20:24] <mike_____> knopmyth
[20:24] <mike_____> ?
[20:25] <ardchoille> mike_____:  /home/ianmac/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc
[20:25] <ardchoille> heh.. oops :)
[20:25] <ardchoille> mike_____:  http://mysettopbox.tv/
[20:26] <ardchoille> mike_____: When some piece isn't recognised by a certain distro try another distro, there's tons of distros and they're all different
[20:26] <mike_____> i'm new to linux so i don't know what to try
[20:27] <mike_____> i tried the most popular ones
[20:27] <ardchoille> mike_____:  http://distrowatch.com
[20:27] <ardchoille> Nice long list of distros in the drop-down box there
[20:28] <mike_____> yeah but it's not at all pleasent downloading, burning installing operating systems
[20:28] <mike_____> it gets really boring
[20:28] <frb-screen> welcome to linux
[20:28] <ardchoille> mike_____: What make/model is your tuner?
[20:28] <Minnozz> when I ping google.com (or any other site) the reaction time is 999 or 1000 ms. How can it be so hight?
[20:29] <Minnozz> *high
[20:29] <mike_____> leadtek winfast 2000 xp global
[20:29] <ardchoille> mike_____: Nothing worthwhile comes easy
[20:30] <ardchoille> mike_____: Here's some links to try:  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22leadtek+winfast+2000+xp%22%2Blinux&btnG=Google+Search
[20:32] <ardchoille> mike_____:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaLeadtek
[20:32] <ardchoille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport   <-- very nice resource
[20:33] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, what happens when you `traceroute google.com`? Does it hang anywhere?
[20:34] <frb-screen> ok, this is odd
[20:34] <frb-screen> when I logged out of KDE, closing the lid did nothing
[20:34] <mike_____> well yeah but it's the "expert" version
[20:34] <mike_____> i have global
[20:34] <tekteen> Anyone know if there is a way to run windows from a partition on your computer?
[20:34] <frb-screen> so what part of KDE is detecting ACPI events?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> yes tekteen , use a partition editor to resize and make a partition for windows , ...gparted live cd is a good choice
[20:36] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=1282
[20:36] <JohnFlux> I need to print a whole load of images on one page
[20:36] <JohnFlux> any ideas how to do this?
[20:39] <moparisthebest> if I compile my own kernel, is there any way of compiling my own linux-restricted-modules for it?
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: sure, apt-get source  linux-restric....
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: then one of the dpkg commands to compile and install it :)
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: make sure you point /usr/src/linux  at the right place
[20:42] <moparisthebest> apt-get source, thats what I was missing, much appreciated JohnFlux
[20:43] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, that looks pretty strange. change any network settings recently? DNS?
[20:43] <mike_____> oh well.. i'm downloading knoppmyth and hopefully i'll manage to make my tv tuner work
[20:43] <mike_____> thanks a lot guys
[20:43] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: not that I know of... should I check some config files?
[20:43] <mike_____> especially for keeping me on linux :D
[20:43] <cyboreal_> tekteen, i read somewhere that you can run Windows from another partition by modifying a VMware installation
[20:45] <frb-screen> cyboreal_: you could, but it's not advisable as windows doesn't handle hardware changes that well
[20:46] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, maybe check what /etc/resolv.conf says... you might want to try setting it to use the OpenDNS DNS servers (https://www.opendns.com/start?device=ubuntu) and see if that changes anything
[20:47] <cyboreal_> frb-screen, you're right that it's at your own peril, but apparently people have gotten it to work fairly well... but I haven't tried it so I don't know firsthand
[20:47]  * DarthWar is back.
[20:48] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: It says 'search MSHOME; nameserver [2 ip's from my ISP and my router ip]
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> have i mentioned lately that i hate java?
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> this game is not coming along well and it's due sunday
[20:48] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Laptop: whats so bad about it
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: i don't like it
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> :)
[20:48] <frb-screen> cyboreal_: it should work fine, as long as you only use that installation in a VM, and not "shared" with a real install
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: i'm writing a paper rock scissors game in java, which should be easy, but i'm a terrible coder :\
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> computer ai is where i'm getting tripped up
[20:49] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, that sounds right. Replacing the nameserver [number] with the OpenDNS server numbers might speed things up, or at least tell you if your ISP DNS servers are slowing things down.
[20:49] <galathalion> how do i upgrade to 7.10?
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> !upgrade
[20:50] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:50] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: do I need to restart something before that works or not?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> !upgrade | galathalion
[20:50] <ubotu> galathalion: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:51] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:52] <Ben_Cs> how do i switch to CLI screen? in gnome it was something like ctrl+shift+F*
[20:53] <frb-screen> ctrl-alt-Fx
[20:54] <DaSkreech> Ben_Cs: Ctrl+Alt+F<n>
[20:54] <DaSkreech> F7 is gui
[20:54] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, after making the change, go to opendnss.com and if you are using the OpenDNS servers, you should see a page like this: http://www.opendns.com/features/guide/
[20:54] <frb-screen> too many joins/parts on this channel
[20:54] <DaSkreech> frb-screen: ignore them then
[20:54] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[20:54] <djdarkman_> is ubuntu realy not handling laptop disks the right way and causing them early to defect?
[20:55] <djdarkman_> https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html
[20:55] <frb-screen> I may just end up not using ubuntu anymore, if it can't suspend my laptop it's worthless
[20:55] <djdarkman_> I mean is this bug valid?
[20:56] <djdarkman_> I`m concerned about my laptop`s HDD`s health
[20:56] <LjL> !hdbug | djdarkman_
[20:56] <ubotu> djdarkman_: Ubuntu does *not* modify hard-drive lifespans by default. An analysis from an Ubuntu Technical Board member and ACPI expert can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html (See https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html and http://tinyurl.com/2vyrft for more information)
[20:57] <djdarkman_> thankss  I`ll read it
[20:57] <BluesKaj> djdarkman_, what gave you the impression that an OS that is more organized and faster than windows can be hard on a HDD ?
[20:57] <frb-screen> because some random bloggers said it, so it MUST BE TRUE@$!$!
[20:57] <mark_> Whenever I run konqueror, I get this error:
[20:58] <mark_> konqueror: WARNING: KTempFile: Error trying to create /tmp/kde-mark/konqueror-crash-XXXXXX.log: Read-only file system
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: KServiceTypeFactory: unexpected object entry in KSycoca database (type = 1140879104)
[20:58] <DaSkreech> LjL: Ha ha :)
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype KURIFilter/Plugin not found
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: KServiceTypeFactory: unexpected object entry in KSycoca database (type = 1862299136)
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype KonqAboutPage not found
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: KServiceTypeFactory: unexpected object entry in KSycoca database (type = 1862299136)
[20:58] <mark_> kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype KonqAboutPage not found
[20:58] <mark_> konqueror: WARNING: KonqFactory::createView : no factory
[20:58] <mark_> konqueror: WARNING: Profile Loading Error: View creation failed
[20:58] <mark_> It seems that my whole filesystem was switched to be read-only.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> bloggers shmoggers !, frb-screen :)
[20:58] <mark_> But I can't open konqueror, so I can't fix it, unless I chmod every file . . .
[20:58] <LjL> !paste | mark_
[20:58] <ubotu> mark_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:59] <mark_> Oh, yeah . . .  sorry.
[20:59] <mark_> But I couldn't do that, anyway, because Konqueror won't open, and neither will Firefox, so I'm browserless.
[20:59] <LjL> mark_: well *is* it read-only? "mount" will tell yuo
[21:00] <emilsedgh> !clock
[21:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:00] <emilsedgh> !cloak
[21:00] <ubotu> Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[21:00] <mark_> The first line of mount tells me "/dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)", so I don't think it really is read-only . . .
[21:00] <cyboreal_> frb-screen, what's your laptop that won't suspend?
[21:00] <mark_> But it's acting that way.
[21:00] <frb-screen> Thinkpad T60p
[21:01] <mark_> And whenever I open a kde app, I'm told that there's missing mimetypes.
[21:01] <frb-screen> and yes, I've done a websearch. No, I have an intel wireless card, Yes, I've removed powernowd
[21:01] <LjL> mark_: have you used checkinstall by any chance?
[21:01] <cyboreal_> frb-screen, you've been on the thinkwiki.org site and tried things from http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
[21:02] <kritzstapf> hi, the amarok moodbar doesnt work for mp3 files anymore, whats wrong?
[21:02] <mark_> LjL: I haven't.  What does it do?
[21:02] <cyboreal_> thinkpads in general are supposed to be pretty good for ACPI/suspend stuff
[21:02] <LjL> mark_: it sometimes messes with the root filesystem's permissions quite heavily
[21:02] <djdarkman_> BluesKaj: my warranty for my laptop is almost over and I work on my laptop
[21:02] <mark_> LjL: It's not installed.
[21:03] <LjL> kritzstapf: Recommends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad | gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad, amarok  <- do you have these installed?
[21:03] <LjL> mark_: if you run a « touch /tmp/testfile », does it succeed?
[21:04] <mark_> I get a "touch: cannot touch `/tmp/testfile': Read-only file system"
[21:04] <mark_> :-(
[21:04] <kritzstapf> LjL: im using xine for playback
[21:04] <LjL> mark_: what about your home directory? « touch ~/testfile »
[21:05] <mark_> touch: cannot touch `/home/mark/testfile': Read-only file system
[21:06] <mark_> LjL: Is there some way to make it all writable at once?
[21:06] <mark_> Without chmodding every directory . . .
[21:06] <LjL> mark_: should like to understand why it's turned read-only in the first place...
[21:06] <jpatrick> mark_: chmod -R * ?
[21:06] <LjL> mark_: have you tried just rebooting? that was, if there are filesystem errors, they should be caught by fsck
[21:07] <LjL> jpatrick: hell no
[21:07] <jpatrick> LjL: right /goes back to pkging
[21:07] <mark_> LjL: chmod: invalid mode: `1000 Miglia.zip'
[21:07] <LjL> mark_: which part of "hell no" wasn't clear?
[21:07] <mark_> That's what I get with chmod -R * ?
[21:08] <LjL> anyway, no harm done, since it's read only...
[21:08] <mark_> I guess I'll attempt a reboot . . .
[21:08] <frb-screen> oh joy
[21:08] <LjL> mark_: try also « grep hdb /var/log/syslog » and same for /var/log/messages
[21:09] <kritzstapf> LjL: ah thanks, i reinstalled moodbar using aptitude so the recommends got installed and now its working :)
[21:09] <LjL> to try to find out when/why/how it happened
[21:09] <frb-screen> "CRITICAL ERROR: Using ATI binary driver. This is not supported!"
[21:09] <tuny> Hola
[21:10] <jpatrick> !es | tuny
[21:10] <ubotu> tuny: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[21:10] <mark_> LjL: grep hdb /var/log/syslog shows a lot of errors.  Would you like to see them?  I'll query you so that I don't flood the main chat.
[21:10] <LjL> mark_: how much is "a lot"? if they're really many, you'll just flood out of irc
[21:11] <tuny> ;)
[21:11] <tuny> thk
[21:11] <mark_> 24 Screens full.  :-(  I could do them a few lines at a time, in a query, if you want.
[21:11] <DaSkreech> TimS: ut!!
[21:11] <TimS> Indeed
[21:12] <LjL> mark_: are they *different* from one another? anyway, just paste the last 30 or so
[21:13] <mark_> Alright.  I'll put them in a query.
[21:13] <DaSkreech> TimS: Any word on ]I[ ?
[21:13] <frb-screen> how do I switch to Xorg from Xgl?
[21:13] <TimS> Whats that?
[21:13] <frb-screen> ut3, duh!
[21:14] <frb-screen> well, it's gone gold, no clue on linux ports
[21:15] <LjL> mark_: it doesn't sound good to me at all. i'll put that into the pastebin so others can add their opinions - i suspect a bad HD is not unlikely anyway
[21:15] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42848/
[21:15] <mark_> LjL:  Yikes.
[21:16] <mark_> It could be.  I've had a lot of problems on startup over the past few days.
[21:16] <LjL> mark_: problems like what?
[21:17] <LjL> mark_: and how long have you been using ubuntu overall? the problems didn't start immediately?
[21:17] <mark_> LjL:  Usually it starts up in about 30 seconds, but a few times its been taking several minutes.  The other day I had a filesystem error that fsck couldn't handle automatically, and I had to run it manually.
[21:18] <bascule> bad drive?
[21:18] <mark_> And a few times some shell think called "busybox" comes up, instead of the kubuntu login screen.
[21:18] <LjL> mark_: bad drive is most likely. do you have a live CD handy? you should boot from it, install smartmontools, and run smartctl
[21:18] <mark_> I've been using Kubuntu for about six months.  The errors mostly started recently.
[21:19] <bascule> seatools is very good too, from seagate
[21:19] <mark_> LjL:  Will the Kubuntu CD work for that?  And what does smartctl do?
[21:22] <LjL> mark_, the kubuntu cd will do fine. smartctl is a tool to check the SMART parameters, which are basically sensors in your hard drive that monitor for possible failures
[21:23] <LjL> if « sudo smartctl -H /dev/hdb » says that your drive's tests are not PASSED, then backup immediately and go buy a new drive
[21:23] <DaSkreech> frb-screen: LInux port in the works no idea when it ships. It's coming
[21:24] <LjL> if it says they're PASSED, then run « sudo smartctl -A /dev/hdb » (which gives you a more verbose report) and see if there's anything suspicious
[21:25] <DaSkreech> !info smartmontools
[21:25] <ubotu> smartmontools: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.37-5ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 280 kB, installed size 684 kB
[21:26] <jose__> hola
[21:28] <Lam_> where are the notes for knotes stored?
[21:31] <DaSkreech> Lam_: In your ~/.kde folder I guess
[21:33] <mark_> LjL: Okay.  I'll run the live CD in just a bit, and then come back to give you guys the verdict.
[21:34] <frb-screen> well isn't this a spot of bother
[21:35] <frb-screen> I either get good graphics, and no power management, or crappy graphics, and manual power management
[21:38] <lars_g> Hi all
[21:38] <lars_g> question, since I don't see a news item in kubuntu.com, hasn't any third party made 4.0b4 debs yet?
[21:38] <lars_g> I don't have that much time to pull and compile :)
[21:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> As I  sit myself in the middle of this chat room...
[21:38] <MarcC> is this bad? "193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0032   086   086   000  Old_age  Always   -   29187"
[21:39]  * lars_g pushes gundam_rx78nt1 
[21:39] <Angelus> is there a place where i can put something on the calendar? not an apointment , just to write something short for this day for example
[21:39] <lars_g> get up bum
[21:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> Only one idea arises... A plea for HELP!
[21:39] <lars_g> Angelus: use the journal
[21:39] <lars_g> Angelus: in kontact
[21:39] <Angelus> hmm
[21:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have lost all my buttons on all of the kde programs.
[21:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> how do I recover them?
[21:40] <lars_g> Angelus: I'm not sure how to access the journal outside kontact, but it's a kde component, associated to the calendar file, and lets you entry journal entries for the whole day
[21:42] <Angelus> thankss guys
[21:42] <gundam_rx78nt1> how can I recover my buttons on the tool bars of my KDE programs, I did an upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 and all my kde buttons on tool bars and software like amarok has lost the buttons.
[21:42] <Angelus> the journal rocks
[21:45] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Most toolbars can be configured by right clicking on them.. and most toolbars have a "Defaults" button to return them to factory configs
[21:45] <frb-screen> how can I use wildcards in apt-get?
[21:45] <MarcC> sudo apt-get *.* will get you the whole shebang, baby
[21:45] <MarcC> every linux app, ever
[21:46] <ardchoille> Correction: every app that is in the repos
[21:46] <frb-screen> I tried apt-get install x11proto*dev but it said it couldn't find that
[21:46] <frb-screen> there is a pile of packages in x11proto-*-dev though
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Angelus: Ask in #kontact
[21:46] <frb-screen> oh, it's a regex, not a glob
[21:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> ardchoille, it doesn't work...
[21:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> I changed it to default and still the buttons doesn't show up/
[21:47] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: What doesn't work? Right clicking? Configuring?
[21:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> Configuring.
[21:47] <ubuntu_> LjL:  I'm back.
[21:47] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Did you restart that app?
[21:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes.
[21:47] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Then I don't know :(
[21:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> let's say I open amarok.
[21:48] <ubuntu_> LjL:  smartctl said that it passed, so I ran it with the -A option.
[21:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> None of the previous track, play, stop, next track buttons appear.
[21:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> Same for other programs like K3b.
[21:49] <ubuntu_> LjL: You there?
[21:49] <ratman> gundam have you tried with other user? Does the problem persists?
[21:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> Let me configure another user and I will get back to you ratman.
[21:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> I didn't think of trying that.
[21:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> brb.
[21:50] <ratman> ok
[21:51] <lars_g> so no community built kde 4.0B4 deb built yet?
[21:52] <ubuntu_> Hello everyone, I've been having hard drive problems.  LjL told me to run from a live CD and see whether my drive is dying, using smartctl.
[21:52] <emilsedgh> lars_g: try svn, thats easy if you have a good internet connection
[21:52] <ubuntu_> It said that it passed, so I ran it with the -A option, to see if I could find anything else out.
[21:53] <ubuntu_> I don't really understand the output, though, so does anyone want to examine it for me?
[21:53] <bascule> ubuntu_: go for seatools from seagate
[21:53] <bascule> because if a drive has smart disabled it might not work
[21:53] <ubuntu_> Alright.  Does that do the same sort of thing as smartctl does, or what?  (I'm _mark_, from before, by the way)
[21:54] <bascule> ubuntu_: sur eI guessed, sea tools is a boot disc that checks for bad sectors in a drive
[21:54] <LjL> ubuntu_: pastebin the output
[21:54] <LjL> bascule, if smart is disabled, i believe smartctl would say so
[21:55] <ubuntu_> It was disabled, but it told me how to enable it, so I did.
[21:55] <ubuntu_> I'll pastebin it, just a second . . .
[21:55] <bascule> ok
[21:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I am back. It appears that I have lost my buttons on KDE only on my user account.  All other accounts are fine.
[21:56] <bascule> gundam_rx78nt1: probably a theme issue, change to crystal or some default that ships with kubuntu
[21:56] <ratman> gundam, sometimes when you update some hidden files in your $HOME became obsolete
[21:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok. Let me try that.
[21:57] <ubuntu_> LjL and bascule: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42852/
[21:58] <ratman> another way is to clean the hidden dirs related to kde an qt, but be aware to backup your mail, konqueror bookmarks and stuff like that because you'll lose them.
[22:00] <LjL> ubuntu_, i don't like this: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0032   137   137   112    Old_age   Always       -       249
[22:00] <LjL> it sounds like a hard drive that is about to fail to me
[22:00] <ubuntu_> So I'd better back it up and wait to see what happens, later?
[22:00] <LjL> backup your data while you can
[22:01] <ubuntu_> Okay.
[22:01] <LjL> do it from the live CD if at all possible
[22:01] <LjL> the less you use the HD, the higher the chances that it won't fail before you've finished backing up
[22:02] <gundam_rx78nt1> ratman, I was thinking of that... what file keeps my kde settings that I can compare with another user's so I can make the appropriate changes?
[22:02] <ubuntu_> I'll see if I can.  I have two CD drives, but I've got the live CD in the only writable one right now, so I'll have to restart to do it.  You can't take a live CD out while running, right?
[22:03] <LjL> ubuntu_: i don't think so... "can i burn cds from the live cd" is a recurring question, but i've never caught an answer to it
[22:03] <LjL> and i'm not very familiar with the live cd
[22:03] <bascule> ubuntu_: you got 21544 hours out that drive and ~3500 boots , just thought i'd mention it :)
[22:03] <ratman> There are serveral files, if you want to change to a different user, the easiest way is to use the import/export capabilities of the different applications.
[22:04] <ubuntu_> bascule: Wow, I didn't realise I'd run it so many times!  I bought this computer on eBay, though, so a lot of that is probably the guy who had it before me.
[22:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I think that I am going to be doing some heavy duty file surgery... schedule the operation for tomorrow morning.
[22:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have more time then and be wide awake.  I just pulled a 36 hour shift.
[22:05] <ratman> ok, best luck, it's not difficult, it've done it several times.
[22:05] <bascule> ubuntu_: second hand machine, well it did ok .. :)
[22:05] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I will tell you how I did ratman, thanks.
[22:05] <ratman> you've wellcome
[22:05] <gundam_rx78nt1> ciao
[22:05] <LjL> ubuntu_, i'm not expert really, but i'm not giving that drive more than a week of life at most - just to say i'm not kidding about the backing up thing
[22:07] <ubuntu_> LjL: I'll definitely back it up.  If I put the Live CD in my DVD drive, do you think I'll be able to write a CD with K3B using my CD-R drive?
[22:07] <Ch1ppy> hey, does anyone know when packages for kde4 beta 4 will be out?
[22:07] <frb-screen> when you build them
[22:07] <LjL> ubuntu_: once smartctl -H starts not saying "PASSED" anymore, then it means that, on average, the drive won't last another 24 hours
[22:07] <LjL> ubuntu_: you should, yes
[22:07] <Ch1ppy> frb-screen: usually there's an official release of some sort, which I'd trust more than something I did myself...
[22:11] <ubuntu_> LjL and bascule: I just thought that it might be a good idea to check my Windows harddrive (hda), too: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42854/  Can you tell if it's in trouble, too?
[22:12] <bazhang> something seems to have serious memory leakage--is there a way to flush the ram or correct/diagnose this?
[22:13] <snes_rocks> Is there a way to diagnose why my Kicker is not starting automatically when I login?
[22:13] <BluesKaj> bazhang, install htop
[22:14] <bazhang> BluesKaj: is that the gui for top?
[22:14] <BluesKaj> sortof , but it still runs in the cli
[22:14] <ratman> htop is a top in steroids
[22:15] <bazhang> ok cheers ratman and BluesKaj
[22:16] <nanook62> engen
[22:17] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: htop is quite nice
[22:17] <LjL> ubuntu_: i'd say it could be better - it's certainly old, just slightly less than the other... i couldn't really say. it may be good for quite another while, or it may fail quite suddenly
[22:17] <BluesKaj> yup, works well , ardchoille
[22:17] <ratman> I've discovered htop recently, I haven't used top anymore.
[22:17] <LjL> ubuntu_: it isn't showing a big warning sign like the other one, at any rate
[22:18] <ubuntu_> LjL: "5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct" is the line that shows how dangerous things are getting right, and the bigger the number, the worse?
[22:19] <LjL> ubuntu_: that's just one of the possible failure types, but yes - it's the only really worrying one on both drives. basically it's saying how many sectors of the drive went bad, and had to be replaced with spare ones (modern drives have a certain number of "excess" sectors for that purpose)
[22:20] <ubuntu_> Ah.
[22:20] <LjL> ubuntu_: although "the bigger the number, the worse" depends on which number you're talking about. that's true for the *last* number.
[22:20] <LjL> ubuntu_: the other numbers are normalized, and low = "bad". specifically, the drive manufacturer claims that, below 112, the drive can be considered "gone"
[22:20] <ubuntu_> That's the number I meant.
[22:21] <ubuntu_> So hdb is about 20 above the limit, and hda is about 50 . . .
[22:22] <ubuntu_> Yeah, that's pretty close.
[22:25] <snes_rocks> How can I find where my Compiz is being started at?
[22:26] <TimS> URGH Klipper is terrible.
[22:26] <TimS> I copy something, it puts it on the clipboard, but I cannot paste it untill I select it
[22:26] <TimS> WHY?
[22:27] <BluesKaj> snes_rocks, usually the login page
[22:29] <frb-screen> anyone have experience with pm-utils? I'm having an issue with getting the quirks to be default
[22:35] <MarcC> if you want some neat clocks for your KDE panel, install StyleClock...I just found it
[22:41] <frb-screen> how do I completely remove NetworkMangler?
[22:42] <FireHazard17> i am recompiling my kernel should i enable smp i have a dual core processor but i can not figure out if smp only refers to 2 separate cpu or if dual core processors would benefit from this too
[22:43] <ratman> i think dual core processor will enjoy smp
[22:43] <pvandewyngaerde> yes
[22:43] <FireHazard17> ok thank you
[22:43] <FireHazard17> people in kubuntu are much smarter than the people in ubuntu
[22:43] <FireHazard17> i have noticed
[22:44] <frb-screen> but can they get me a cookie?
[22:44] <pvandewyngaerde> smart people choose kubuntu
[22:44]  * MarcC gets frb-screen a cookie
[22:45] <frb-screen> smart people don't use network mangler
[22:45] <SMP_ca> hello? I would like to know what resolution is my screen using...
[22:45] <DaSkreech>  helpersnack | frb-screen
[22:45] <DaSkreech> !helpersnack | frb-screen
[22:45] <ubotu> frb-screen: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[22:46] <MarcC> SMP_ca: control panel
[22:47] <SMP_ca> do you mean kcontrol - Monitor & Display ?
[22:47] <vzduch> SMP_ca: how about looking in the monitor's on-screen menu?
[22:48] <djdarkman_> smart people realy get annoyed at network manager
[22:48] <SMP_ca> it does not work, when I press "Monitor & Display" nothing appears
[22:48] <djdarkman_> :)
[22:48] <MarcC> SMP_ca: you can also install a panel applet for changing resolution
[22:48] <frb-screen> djdarkman_: exactly why I want to disable it
[22:48] <SMP_ca> how?
[22:48] <pvandewyngaerde> network manager doesn't shutdown proper
[22:48] <frb-screen> I see no reason at all why I wouldn't want both wireless and wired enabled at the same time
[22:48] <vzduch> it's normally already there, you only need to start it --> xrandrtray or so
[22:49] <MarcC> network manager seems to take longer to resume from suspend now
[22:49] <frb-screen> vista did that part right
[22:49] <djdarkman_> network manager ignores manual network configuration...and that realy pissed me off
[22:50] <frb-screen> on the laptop in vista, if I have a connection running on wireless, and plug in the network cable, the original connection isn't dropped
[22:50] <aks44> howdy
[22:51] <djdarkman_> two things that simple aren`t right in kubuntu nowdays is knetworkmanager and strigi...
[22:51] <frb-screen> what is a strigi?
[22:51] <bazhang> search tool
[22:51] <djdarkman_> strigi is the desktop search that supposed to be very good
[22:52] <aks44> supposed*
[22:52] <aks44> ^^
[22:52] <frb-screen> umm, why do all these FOSS projects have such worthless names?
[22:52] <djdarkman_> but all it does is crash all the time and make gigantic index files
[22:52] <djdarkman_> I don`t care how they name it, if it works
[22:52] <pvandewyngaerde> djdarkman_:  turn it off then
[22:52] <frb-screen> it's a fight between medications and FOSS to make the worst named product
[22:52] <hydrogen> well
[22:52] <hydrogen> its not jsut FOSS
[22:53] <frb-screen> strigi, now with abilify!
[22:53] <aks44> djdarkman_: that's my whole impression about 7.10 :s
[22:53] <aks44> not just strigi :s
[22:53] <hydrogen> what exactly does excel mean?
[22:53] <bazhang> and Vista is a good name?
[22:54] <bazhang> I prefer Vixta(.org)
[22:54] <djdarkman_> btw I turned off both, but don`t understand why do alpha quality softwares get into the default install
[22:54] <frb-screen> do well or better: to do better than all others, than a given standard, or than previous personal achievement
[22:55] <hydrogen> well
[22:55] <hydrogen> no
[22:55] <hydrogen> I'm not exactly sure what that means
[22:55] <hydrogen> but I get the idea
[22:55] <hydrogen> and thats what the description is for, not the name
[22:55] <hydrogen> If all programs that played music were named "Audio Player" how confusing would support get?
[22:55] <hydrogen> "Hi, Audio Player isn't work"
[22:55] <bazhang> :}
[22:55] <hydrogen> "Okay, is it audio player with gui, or audio player with gui, or audio player with gui"
[22:56] <frb-screen> there's a difference between useless names, and obvious names
[22:56] <xavier_> hey there
[22:56] <hydrogen> "Well, its audio player with gui"
[22:56] <hydrogen> oh, okay then!
[22:56] <bazhang> hi xavier_
[22:56] <djdarkman_> "Okay, is it audio player with kde, or audio player with gnome, or audio player with ncurses" :)
[22:56] <hydrogen> nope
[22:56] <hydrogen> that doesn't work
[22:56] <hydrogen> because gnome and kde are not that clear
[22:56] <aks44> who cares about names anyway?
[22:56] <hydrogen> so we would need to call them all user interface
[22:57] <frb-screen> and this is why I don't try to have conversations with linux users
[22:57] <hydrogen> except you area
[22:57] <hydrogen> are*
[22:57] <hydrogen> so thats a notapoitn
[22:57] <bazhang> speaking of names--there was an oxygen on the channel yesterday :}
[22:57] <xavier_> i have a great bug in kubuntu7.10 when i turn my PC off it restart after 1 min of pause without doing something, but if i shut it down with Konsole that worx properly :/
[22:57] <NickPresta> frb-screen, then why are you in a channel full of GNU+Linux users? ;)
[22:57] <frb-screen> no, actually since the channel is useless, except for the 2 people out of what are here 600?
[22:58]  * djdarkman_ prays that someday even kde will have a working network manager and a desktop search
[22:58] <NickPresta> djdarkman_, what's wrong with knetworkmanager?
[22:58] <frb-screen> network manager's flaws  have nothing to do with kde
[22:59]  * aks44 prays that someday canonical will release a working Kubuntu...
[22:59] <bazhang> works fine here..
[22:59] <aks44> 7.10 is a PITA :s
[22:59] <NickPresta> aks44, you can always go back to Feisty if you so prefer :)
[22:59] <aks44> 7.04 was fine though
[22:59] <frb-screen> network manager is fine, unless you want more than 1 interface active
[22:59] <djdarkman_> knetwork manager doesn`t obey when I tell it to use a manual setup, it always forces dhcp
[22:59] <frb-screen> or if you need to use dhcp with a manual gateway and DNS
[22:59] <aks44> NickPresta: I think that's what I'm gonna do ;)
[23:00] <aks44> anyway, do any of you know how to disable that "bulletproofX" thing?
[23:00] <frb-screen> aks44: no idea, but it doesn't work here
[23:01] <frb-screen> 7.10 still drops to a console when I break X
[23:01] <aks44> this is what I'm having trouble with (it incorrectly detects my screen DPI, making my X display 5-6 lines of text per 1280x1024)
[23:02] <b0nn> what a fucking nightmare upgrading is
[23:02] <aks44> since I installed gutsy I have to go back on terminal 1, killall kdm / startx to have a working display -.-
[23:02] <frb-screen> I think I'll go back to suse, it lets me disable networkmanager, and has kde4 packages
[23:02] <aks44> b0nn: I did a clean install....
[23:02] <b0nn> I upgraded from edgy->feisty yesterday and I have lost the system
[23:03] <djdarkman_> frb-screen: wrong
[23:03] <frb-screen> about what?
[23:04] <djdarkman_> frb-screen: you can totally remove knetwork manager in kubuntu too, and kubuntu has kde4 packs too
[23:04] <frb-screen> well, I asked at least 30 minutes ago, and go no answer
[23:04] <FireHazard17> finally my new kernel is compiling after 30 min of tweaking the config file
[23:04] <frb-screen> I whined about it for another 10 minutes, and got no answer
[23:04] <aks44> djdarkman_: you CAN'T remove knetworkmanager from gutsy
[23:05] <FireHazard17> akrus: why can't you?
[23:05] <djdarkman_> about how to make knetwokmanager behave?
[23:05] <frb-screen> I don't want to use it at all, ever, it's worthless to me
[23:05] <aks44> tried to removed it numerous times, to no avail, it's still there
[23:05] <djdarkman_> it`s easy remove the avahi deamon it`s the main problem
[23:05] <RLoggia> xevious: you there?
[23:05] <djdarkman_> about the kde4 packagees, I use ksysguard from kde4 so they work
[23:05] <frb-screen> suse has it as a basic option in the network config
[23:06] <RLoggia> sub[t]rnl: you there?
[23:06] <lordofthepigs> Hello, when I add a new panel to kicker, I can't seem to configure it
[23:06] <djdarkman_> lordofthepigs: what do you want to configure?
[23:06]  * frb-screen wanders off to try and do a little work before leaving the office
[23:07] <bazhang> b0nn: going for a fresh install now?
[23:07] <b0nn> nope
[23:08] <b0nn> going to install windows :)
[23:08] <snikker> i've installed gimp, but i don't have any script-fu in the menu... can you help me?
[23:08] <bazhang> ugh
[23:08] <b0nn> at any rate look at this http://pastebin.ca/757066
[23:08] <b0nn> to install kubuntu-desktop I ineed cupsys running
[23:09] <biovore> yup.. kubuntu-desktop is a virtual packages.. it install a bunch of different packages..
[23:09] <lordofthepigs> when I right click the new panel, and select "configure panel", it always opens the configuration window for the original panel (the default one)
[23:09] <lordofthepigs> I'm on gutsy
[23:09] <lordofthepigs> Does anybody know how I can configure my new panel?
[23:09] <bazhang> b0nn: nothing at that link that I can see
[23:11] <DaSkreech> snikker: new Gimp does have scriptfu
[23:12] <snikker> DaSkreech: yes, but why i don't have it?
[23:12] <lordofthepigs> hmm... I lost my connection for a while, did I miss anything?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> snikker: Sorry Doesn't have
[23:13] <DaSkreech> snikker: They moved it to .. elsewhere I forget
[23:13] <jussi01> got a stupid question, what package do i need for kde headers??
[23:14] <DaSkreech> kde-devel i guess
[23:15] <jussi01> DaSkreech: heh... bit of a headdesk duh... :) (its late....)
[23:15] <snikker> DaSkreech: the strange thing is that i've it in "/usr/share/gimp/2.0/scripts", but gimp don't recognize it
[23:15] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Yeah the first thing i check for for headers is the -devel package
[23:15] <DaSkreech>  if not then the -development :)
[23:15] <DaSkreech> snikker: I think the new one justm oved it from it's own menu
[23:15] <jussi01> DaSkreech: me too.... usually... its late... probably time for sleep...
[23:16] <DaSkreech>  check the gimp site and they will have more info
[23:16] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Preach it
[23:16] <snikker> DaSkreech: ok, i try to check the gimp site
[23:17] <DaSkreech> snikker: Tey rethought the Menus
[23:17] <blendtux> what is a good download manager for linux
[23:17] <blendtux> or petter put kde
[23:18] <snikker> DaSkreech: it's possible fix this?
[23:21] <lordofthepigs> blendtux: for now I've been using kget and xdownloader
[23:21] <blendtux> oke and kget can open multiple connections and downloading parts
[23:22] <lordofthepigs> hmm... I've just started using it... AFAIK, no
[23:22] <lordofthepigs> but xdownloader can
[23:22] <DaSkreech> snikker: I think that in the view of the developers hiding the script-fu IS fixing it
[23:22] <DaSkreech>  I thnk it's under filters
[23:23] <DaSkreech> blendtux: kget integrates with konqueror as well
[23:24] <blendtux> i know but i dont use konqueror
[23:25] <lordofthepigs> Hmmm... so nobody has any ideas about my panel problem?
[23:26] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: Isn't there a drop-do0wn menu at the top to choose which panel to configure?
[23:27] <ardchoille> I remember seeing that at one time
[23:27] <DaSkreech> lordofthepigs: which panel?
[23:27] <lordofthepigs> ardchoille: not that I can i see
[23:27] <snikker> DaSkreech: oh, ok.. thnks for support
[23:27] <sir_joshimus> i have a partition thats mounted with root permission, how do i change it so that its got user permission?
[23:28] <sir_joshimus> with konq?
[23:28] <lordofthepigs> DaSkreech: I would like to replicate ubuntu's panel layout, one on the top and one on the bottom instead of one single big one on the bottom
[23:28] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: Hmm, seems that option is gone now. I remember it in Dapper
[23:28] <lordofthepigs> DaSkreech: and I can't configure the height of the bottom panel because when I select "Configure panel" from the context menu, it opens a configuration dialog for the original panel only
[23:31] <DaSkreech> snikker: It's under the filter option?
[23:32] <DaSkreech> lordofthepigs: What kind of panel do you have at the bottom?
[23:33] <lordofthepigs> a "Panel"
[23:33] <lordofthepigs> I added it using "add new panel->Panel"
[23:35] <DaSkreech> lordofthepigs: Works here
[23:35] <DaSkreech> lordofthepigs: walk through your steps
[23:36] <bascule> lordofthepigs: I can configure thisthing fully, when you say configure panel there is a drop down box, make sure it says panel and not main panel
[23:36] <snikker> DaSkreech: yes, it is. thank you.
[23:36] <DaSkreech> snikker: Welcome!
[23:37] <earl_> hey can anyone help me out? i
[23:37] <earl_> oops
[23:37] <earl_> i'm trying to configure the panel, specifically, the notification tray.
[23:37] <earl_> i dont want it to be gray anymore
[23:37] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: There is no dropdow box here when I configure panels
[23:38] <lordofthepigs> DaSkreech: I moved the original panel to the top, used "configure panel" to set its size to tiny, added a new panel at the bottom of the screen, added the desktop switcher and the task bar applet to the new panel
[23:38] <lordofthepigs> bascule: where exactly is this drop down box, I can't find any
[23:38] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: I can't find it either
[23:38] <bascule> at the top of the first configure pael bit
[23:38] <DaSkreech> earl_: join the convo ;) we are talking about the panel now
[23:39] <bascule> settings for: <drop down box>
[23:39] <ardchoille> bascule: The "Configure - KDE Panel" Window? It's not there on mine
[23:39] <earl_> well i'm oooooonly interested in the panel, as i'm actually trying to integrate it into avant window manager
[23:39] <earl_> err
[23:39] <earl_> only interested in the notification tray.
[23:39] <lordofthepigs> bascule: there is no such thing here...
[23:39] <DaSkreech> It's there on mine
[23:40] <earl_> there?
[23:40] <bascule> ardchoille: right click anything on the main panel, configure panels, at the top middle of the dialog there is a drop down menu configure panel: <drop down box>
[23:40] <ardchoille> bascule: Yes, that is where it was in Dapper, but that dropdown box is not there on my system
[23:40] <lordofthepigs> bascule: I don't have anything there
[23:40] <DaSkreech> earl_: Notification?
[23:40] <DaSkreech> I'm on Gutsy
[23:41] <earl_> yes the systray, daskreech
[23:41] <blendtux> lordofthepigs: where can i get xdownloader
[23:41] <DaSkreech> It's here for me
[23:41] <DaSkreech> Ah system tray
[23:41] <bascule> ardchoille: lordofthepigs try adding kdeextras or kdeadmin
[23:41] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs , bascule I see that dropdown box when I open kcontrol and configure panels, but it isn't there when I right click the panel
[23:41] <lordofthepigs> the only thing I have is "You can configure the arrangement of the panel here"
[23:41] <DaSkreech> earl_: I think it assumes the background for the panel it was added to So you have to change the background of the parent panel
[23:41] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: open kcontrol and configure the panel, it's there in kcontrol
[23:43] <ardchoille> !info kdeextras
[23:43] <ubotu> Package kdeextras does not exist in gutsy
[23:43] <ardchoille> !info kdeadmin
[23:43] <ubotu> kdeadmin: system administration tools from the official KDE release. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 56 kB
[23:43] <lordofthepigs> ardchoille: ok, found it
[23:43] <bascule> !info kde-extras
[23:43] <ubotu> kde-extras: extra applications for use with KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:53 (gutsy), package size 9 kB, installed size 40 kB
[23:44] <bascule> !info kdeartwork
[23:44] <ubotu> kdeartwork: themes, styles and more from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 10 kB, installed size 48 kB
[23:44] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: Cool
[23:45] <earl_> daskreech: that's all well and good, but then when i integrate it into awn, it goes back to not being transparent... oh well.
[23:45] <lordofthepigs> hmm.... strange that it doesn't work correctly through the context menu though...
[23:45] <z> Hello, can anyone help with a Amarok daap issue in kde?
[23:46] <lordofthepigs> blendtux, you can install it with adept, the package name is "d4x"
[23:48] <z> Hello, can anyone help with a Amarok daap issue in kde?
[23:51] <thomas_> can someone help me with html
[23:51] <Gulars> thomas_, sure
[23:51] <Gulars> :)
[23:51] <DaSkreech> !html
[23:51] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build web pages.  Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and KompoZer(Nvu).  For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com/
[23:52] <thomas_> k thx. i have a table and 4 pictures and i want them to all shrink so they can fit on the screen in the table. How do I do it? So far the pictures slide to the right so i have to scroll
[23:52] <DaSkreech> #html
[23:52] <RLoggia> xevious: can you help me with something plz?
[23:52] <thomas_> DaSkreech: nooone is responding in html :(
[23:52] <thomas_> DaSkreech: tried that already
[23:52] <webvictim> you need to give the images height and width constaints
[23:52] <webvictim> *constraints
[23:53] <RLoggia> anyone running an ATi graphics card?
[23:53] <lordofthepigs> is it possible to get hard drive temperature sensors into ksysguard?
[23:53] <Gulars> a better way would be to use digikam or something similar to resize the images to the desired size
[23:53] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: I never found a way to do that. But, ksensors can do it easily
[23:53] <thomas_> webvictim: i tried doing so with height=100% and so
[23:54] <lordofthepigs> ardchoille: does ksensors have a panel applet?
[23:54] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs: It basically is a panel applet, it's nice, try it.
[23:54] <Gulars> thomas_, height="250" width="400"
[23:54] <webvictim> indeed
[23:54] <Gulars> for instance
[23:54] <RLoggia> i need a link for a good command line walkthrough on how to get the ATI driver for my graphics card....can anyone help me with that?
[23:54] <webvictim> use pixel values
[23:54] <thomas_> webvictim: all that happens though is 3 pictures are big and the other one is tiiiny. Is there a way i can make the table shrink ALL the pictures to fit?
[23:54] <Gulars> but then you lose aspect ratio and will have crappy browser based downscaling
[23:55] <lordofthepigs> ardchoille: Ok, I'm on it
[23:55] <webvictim> the table won't scale them itself
[23:55] <webvictim> it's up to you to specify the sizes
[23:55] <webvictim> http://www.dim-sum.org/~crab/bah.png
[23:55] <webvictim> oh, rats.
[23:55] <webvictim> wrong channel.
[23:55] <Gulars> I guess it could be done with dom and js, but that's a bit out of the scope I guess :p
[23:55] <RLoggia> nobody else using ATI lol? i must be retarded lmao
[23:56] <webvictim> not really a laughing matter :P
[23:56] <nigonpie> alguien habla español?
[23:56] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs:  When you click the panel applet, it will show a blank window until you add sensors, don't be alarmed.
[23:56] <ardchoille> !es | nigonpie
[23:56] <ubotu> nigonpie: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[23:56] <DrX> how do i fix "failed to mount cd:///?devices=/dev/sdb" ???
[23:56] <thomas_> Gulars: well that sucks and i find its weird, that you can't make the picture fit to the size of the cell or table
[23:58] <DaSkreech> !ati | RLoggia
[23:58] <ubotu> RLoggia: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:58] <RLoggia> ubotu: ty
[23:58] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[23:58] <RLoggia> deskreech: lol
[23:59] <DaSkreech> !tab  | RLoggia
[23:59] <ubotu> RLoggia: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[23:59] <RLoggia> DaSkreech: lol whats up?
[23:59] <Gulars> thomas_, that's just how html works, but you can resize the pictures from the command line using "convert -sample 380x440 input.jpg output.jpg"