[01:13] <bazhang> wow--111 developers!
[01:17] <bazhang> when is Tribe 1?
[01:18] <knix> You think everyone in this channel is a developer?
[01:18] <bazhang> just kidding; the topic is not for non-developers :}
[01:19] <bazhang> I tried to join the day after the release of Gutsy, but was shunted over to #ubuntu.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> bazhang: release schedule is not final yet.
[01:44] <bazhang> Hobbsee: thanks! nice to see (read) you! :}
[01:45] <Hobbsee> we shunt to #ubuntu so that people stop asking fo rgutsy stuff here
[01:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:45] <bazhang> definitely!
[01:45] <bazhang> sp
[01:45] <bazhang> :}
[01:46] <bazhang> watch out or someone (forgot who) will call ops to fix the topic spelling :}
[01:46] <Hobbsee> and i'll forward them to ##windows or something
[01:46] <bazhang> about two weeks ago or so :)
[01:46] <bazhang> haha
[01:46] <bazhang> s/definetly/definitely
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ah, that's it
[01:47] <Hobbsee> i always get that wrong, for some reason
[01:47]  * Hobbsee ponders upgrading.
[01:47] <bazhang> why does ubotu dislike nix ternal?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hah :)
[02:06] <Powerking89670> night all
[02:06] <bazhang> g'night
[02:31]  * BaD_CrC thinks dist-upgrade is gonna happen in the next couple days...
[02:32] <bazhang> wow!
[02:38] <silent> is anyone here actually running hardy?
[02:39] <bazhang> only the very brave--don't think there is anything in the repos yet, or are there even any repos?
[02:40] <bazhang> I had heard the rumour of 11/29 for Tribe 1, but that is salt-grain, etc.
[02:43] <silent> bazhang, I'll give it  a few months
[02:43] <silent> bazhang, gutsy is pretty epic
[02:44] <bazhang> agreed. on both points. though maybe a wee test here.. :}
[02:44]  * nrp is running what there is of hardy
[02:45] <bazhang> whoa.. :}
[02:45] <silent> just judging by the improvements between feisty and gutsy.... we should see a very nice OS out of hardy
[02:45] <bazhang> silent: I can't imagine where they could go from here--Gutsy is just so good.
[02:45] <nrp> as of yet, its a newer gnu toolchain
[02:45] <bazhang> say that three times fast
[02:46] <bazhang> :}
[02:46] <nrp> hrm, gutsy is nice, but far from perfect :p
[02:46] <silent> bazhang, I imagine they would do tweaking, more options, perhaps more gui configuration options, make it more user-friendly as a major goal since it's being distributed with computers now
[02:46] <silent> to the general public
[02:46] <silent> it'll be like windows, but wont crash, like os x but not gay... it will be.. ubuntu
[02:47] <bazhang> good point silent; and since it is an LTS, probably make sure c-f works.
[02:47]  * nrp just wants 2.6.23 as soon as possible
[02:47] <silent> *like windows in that it's highly configurable through gui
[02:47] <silent> whew
[02:47] <bazhang> but aren't the odd numbered kernels unstable?
[02:48] <nrp> that was odd second digit, but they dont do that anymore
[02:48] <bazhang> oh. ok
[02:49] <silent> i'm running 2.6.24-rc1
[02:49] <bazhang> bleeding edge
[02:49] <silent> :(
[02:49] <nrp> 24 is already at rc1?
[02:49] <silent> apparently
[02:49] <silent> I'm not running it though
[02:50] <nrp> oh, heh
[02:50] <silent> I wish... I'd inject my system full of Linus
[02:50] <silent> and other random european developers whom I'm sure have very large bears
[02:50] <silent> beards*
[02:50] <silent> and I bow to them
[02:51] <bazhang> #hardy-offtopic?
[02:51] <bazhang> :}
[02:52] <silent> I need to learn how to do kernel patches
[02:52] <bazhang> nrp: how does one get hardy stuff?
[02:53] <bazhang> err packages
[02:53] <silent> bazhang, I doubt the repos are complete
[02:53] <bazhang> do they even exist?
[02:53] <nrp> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and find and replace gutsy with hardy
[02:53] <silent> probably not yet, haven't checked my local mirror
[02:54] <nrp> then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:54] <bazhang> so sudo dist-upgrade won't work yet?
[02:54] <silent> nrp, will that actually do anything?
[02:55] <nrp> itll give you a newer gnu toolchain, which is what is being used to compile the rest of hardy :p
[02:55] <bazhang> I suddenly understand the topic.
[02:55] <silent> are the gnome preferences for tab size located somewhere else?
[02:55] <nrp> but i imagine as the development summit approaches, real new packages will appear
[02:55] <silent> window list right click -> preferences
[02:56] <silent> there's supposed to be another tab
[02:56] <silent> did ubuntu move the menu somewhere else to confuse me?
[02:56] <nrp> tab size?
[02:56] <silent> click help
[02:56] <silent> there are supposed to be 2 tabs
[02:56] <silent> there were before at some point
[02:57] <nrp> help in what?
[02:57] <silent> window list preferences
[02:57] <silent> To configure Window List, right-click on the handle on the left of the buttons, then choose Preferences. The Window List Preferences dialog contains two tabbed sections.
[02:57] <silent>     * 4.9.5.2.1. Behavior
[02:57] <silent>     * 4.9.5.2.2. Size
[02:57] <nrp> oh, hmm, i see what you mean
[02:58] <silent> do you know if that dialogue was moved somewhere or did gnome fail on their latest release?
[02:59] <silent> there's also supposed to be an option to create new keyboard shortcuts in the keyboard shortcut menu
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bazhang: there are repos
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bazhang: and w.u.c/HardyReleaseSchedule is up, but not final.
[03:00] <bazhang> Hobbsee: sorry to be such a pain.. :}
[03:00] <bazhang> and thanks!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> dist-upgrade may work, but will likely blow up
[03:01] <silent> I'll stick with gutsy, I just recently got it working how I want it
[03:01] <bazhang> same here..for now
[03:01] <Hobbsee> scary to think that i went to gutsy, thsi time, 6 months ago
[03:01] <bazhang> wowza
[03:01] <Hobbsee> everything worked except my wifi, iirc.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> of course, it was on kubuntu though
[03:02] <Hobbsee> tends to break less - maybe from less changes
[03:02] <bazhang> I want to install Hardy Heron to my eeePC mini-laptop (eeeuser.com)
[03:02] <silent> Hobbsee, at least your menus arent missing functions that are explained in the help files
[03:02] <silent> -_-"
[03:03] <silent> bazhang, you have an eeepc?
[03:03] <bazhang> yes!
[03:03] <nrp> bazhang, howd you get one already?
[03:03] <silent> how big is the keyboard?
[03:03] <nrp> are you in taiwan?
[03:03] <bazhang> live in Taiwan
[03:03] <nrp> gotcha
[03:03] <bazhang> smallish, but still usable kb
[03:03] <nrp> hows the linux distro that comes with it?
[03:03] <bazhang> but with Xandros (ugh).
[03:04] <nrp> ah, heh, enough said :p
[03:04] <bazhang> fisher-price mode only
[03:04] <silent> bazhang, you can install ubuntu on it
[03:04] <bazhang> I almost installed Kubuntu last night--had kanotix working on it, but no wifi
[03:04] <silent> hmm
[03:05]  * nrp was considering an eee, but is holding out for OLPC G1G1
[03:05] <bazhang> those are nice
[03:05] <silent> does the olpc still look like something you'd find in a sandbox?
[03:05] <bazhang> sugar os
[03:05] <nrp> silent, or toy from a very large expensive cereal box
[03:06] <bazhang> haha
[03:07] <bazhang> who's the op?
[03:07] <nrp> bazhang, yea, i played with sugar in QEMU, it has a pretty nifty feel
[03:07] <bazhang> nrp: it is nice.
[03:08] <bazhang> as is Xandros, but so slow...
[03:08] <silent> I have an hp tx1000
[03:08] <silent> its small enough for me
[03:08] <nrp> bazhang, which model did you get?
[03:08] <bazhang> 4G
[03:08] <bazhang> best wait a couple of weeks for 8G though
[03:08] <Hobbsee> silent: heh.  patches welcome.
[03:09] <silent> bazhang, you can always add a 8gb sd card
[03:09] <bazhang> join #eeepc
[03:09] <silent> they aren't overly expensive
[03:09] <bazhang> true
[03:09] <silent> or wait for the new solid-state storage coming out
[03:09] <silent> devices up to 32gb i think
[03:10] <silent> for regular-sized flash drive/sd
[03:10] <nrp> is the ssd in the eee user replacable?
[03:10] <bazhang> and higher not too distant future
[03:10] <bazhang> not at this point.
[03:10] <nrp> i assumed it would be soldered on
[03:10] <silent> yeah, potential for actual solid state .. "hard disk drives"
[03:10] <bazhang> soldered on nrp
[03:10] <bazhang> err it's
[03:11] <nrp> hmm, well i suppose its user replaceable for someone with a steady hand and a maginifying glass :p
[03:11] <nrp> and solder station, i suppose
[03:12] <bazhang> :}
[03:12] <silent> how much are the OLPCs?
[03:12] <silent> last I heard they were ~100
[03:13] <nrp> silent. $200 each if you buy 10,000 ;)
[03:13] <silent> oh wow
[03:13] <bazhang> waiting for ubuntu mobile
[03:13] <nrp> Give 1 Get 1 program is $400, and they send you one, and send one to a kid in a country that needs one
[03:14] <silent> bazhang, is it ubuntu for laptops?
[03:14] <bazhang> silent for tiny laptops, and handhelds, etc.
[03:14] <silent> nrp, what's he gonna do with it? use it for fuel?
[03:14] <nrp> wasnt the mobile version of ubuntu supposed to come out along with gutsy?
[03:15] <bazhang> not sure--though they do have a channel, forgot which
[03:15] <nrp> silent, its designed to be used in a classroom environment.  the charger and connectivity are in the school, but the kid owns the laptop and can take it home to his/her family
[03:16] <silent> nrp, what if the battery runs out at home?
[03:16] <silent> we're giving them a 200 dollar laptop and no ac/dc adapter?
[03:17] <silent> although, some of them may not have power
[03:17] <nrp> silent, it lasts 10+ hours in greyscale mode, i believe, but the idea is that hand/solar/whatever powered chargers are going to be available
[03:17] <silent> oh wow
[03:17] <nrp> silent, exactly the problem, power is unstable or nonexistant in many places the OLPC is to end up
[03:17] <silent> 10+ hours is good news
[03:17] <silent> for them and for me
[03:17] <nrp> indeed.
[03:17] <silent> that's unheard of in the world of mobile pcs
[03:18] <nrp> yep.  theres some really amazing hardware and software development going on with the olpc
[03:18] <nrp> apparently the laptop can perform a lot of its functions with the CPU off
[03:18] <silent> :O
[03:18] <silent> wtf
[03:19] <silent> it must have a low-clock cpu to perform certain simple calculations then
[03:19] <nrp> i believe the idea was that the display/graphics controller can operate independantly of the main cpu
[03:20] <silent> yes but programs need the cpu
[03:20] <bazhang> #ubuntu-mobile is the channel
[03:20] <silent> or some sort of processing unit
[03:20] <nrp> well, yes
[03:20] <silent> what sort of processor does it use?
[03:20] <nrp> but in ebook mode, that would mean turning on the cpu for a fraction of a second to pull another page out of flash
[03:21] <silent> i assume some sort of low-clock 45nm
[03:21] <nrp> silent, AMD geode
[03:21] <nrp> ~450mhz, i think
[03:21] <bazhang> and cow-powered now
[03:21] <bazhang> no kidding
[03:21] <silent> its interesting to see development head toward long battery life
[03:21] <nrp> bazhang, heh, yea, saw that picture
[03:22] <bazhang> :}
[03:22] <silent> classically it's been "we need faster processors and better batteries" end result the laptop has the same battery life
[03:22] <silent> I've actually been trying to figure out a way to underclock my turion x2 and kill one of the cores
[03:24]  * nrp doesnt want to think about cpu power usage
[03:24] <nrp> it hurts when youre taking a class where you have to design a minimum power cpu
[03:25] <silent> it's challenging
[03:25] <silent> lots of calculus though, I assume
[03:26] <silent> or do you do algebraic solutions to certain situations?
[03:26] <nrp> not much calculus, just painful boolean logic
[03:27] <silent> how much speed are you willing to compromise in design?
[03:27] <nrp> trying to find the right balance between small, fast, and low power
[03:27] <nrp> heh, yea, thats exactly the problem
[03:27] <silent> I'd say around 500mhz would be a minimum
[03:27] <silent> you're making a cpu after all, not a graphing calculator
[03:28] <nrp> well, it depends on what it is youre trying to do.  in my case, its just a basic 8 bit cpu.
[03:28] <silent> but why?
[03:29] <nrp> its a class, those are the specs
[03:29] <silent> yeah
[07:05] <XVampireX> Heya :D
[07:05] <XVampireX> You people should look into this post: http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/30/in-depth-roadmap-analysis-for-ubuntu-hardy-heron-804/
[07:08] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: who's the writer?
[07:09] <XVampireX> Not me :P
[07:09] <XVampireX> By the way I have a nice idea
[07:10] <XVampireX> Can I still make a proposal for a feature?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> sure, if you want to find people to go and implement it
[07:12] <XVampireX> It's a simple idea...
[07:12] <XVampireX> I always thought that the Mixer in Linux really lacks, it really fits like Windows 95/98 fits, really old..
[07:15] <XVampireX> So I thought something a bit more professional like some windows sound cards have for example what I have, realtek HD Audio Manager :D
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:16] <Hobbsee> feel free to code it :)
[08:12] <XVampireX> Hobbsee, I can't code it
[08:13] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: then find someone who wants to, and who can
[12:22] <Hobbsee> !update
[12:22] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:23] <bazhang> !FSM
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fsm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <bazhang> for flying spaghetti monster lol
[12:24] <Hobbsee> heh, update manager wont update to hardy
[12:25] <bazhang> is there anything to update to?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> sure
[12:25] <Hobbsee> dont know how well it works, though :)
[12:25] <bazhang> :}
[12:25] <Hobbsee> i'll be more motivated to fix it when actually running it, so...
[12:25] <bazhang> surely you put that on a different machine..
[12:25] <bazhang> haha
[12:25] <Hobbsee> no
[12:26] <Hobbsee> although this machine does tripple boot
[12:26] <bazhang> XP, Vista, and Ubuntu?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> so there's always something on here known not-broken :)
[12:26] <bazhang> :}
[12:26] <Hobbsee> nah.  xp, kubuntu gutsy, ubuntu gutsy
[12:26] <bazhang> just joking.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> it usually runs xp, kubuntu $stable, kubuntu $development
[12:27] <bazhang> what's the best partition manager--gparted or parted magic?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> the one that exists :P
[12:27] <bazhang> for noobs, that is.
[12:27] <bazhang> parted magic it is then
[12:27] <Hobbsee> parted magic doesnt exist.
[12:28] <bazhang> so it's just gparted with another name--just got the torrent from linuxtracker
[12:28] <Hobbsee> there's qtparted, gparted, and a windows thing called partition magic
[12:28] <Hobbsee> those are the main ones, anyway
[12:28] <Hobbsee> and the thing in the alternate installer
[12:28] <Hobbsee> parted magic is none of those.
[12:28] <bazhang> avoid it?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> dunno what it is :)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> partition magic, OTOH, is OK, although i never found a working version
[12:29]  * Hobbsee just uses the ubuntu installers to partition
[12:32] <bdgraue_> gpartd-live-cd is good for partitioning
[12:33] <IdleOne> morning all
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hm, not that much to upgrade
[12:35] <Hobbsee> bazhang: ~180mb to upgrade
[12:36] <Hobbsee> bazhang: 210 updates
[12:36] <Hobbsee> 542kbps - not bad.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> morning IdleOne
[12:38] <IdleOne> how are you Hobbsee
[12:38] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: going to see how broken hardy is.
[12:38] <IdleOne> have fun :)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, it should be
[12:38] <IdleOne> let me know how it works out
[12:39] <IdleOne> still to early for me to dive in
[12:39] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: you have a testing machine or partition ?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i dont know how to debug gnome stuff, so :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> well, not gnome-specific stuff, anyway
[12:41] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: no, this is my main machine.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: but i have 3 partitions :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> so...
[12:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: i upgraded pretty much at this time of the cycle last time too - had to take advantage of the good bandwidth.  didnt seem too broken, excluding network mangler
[12:42] <IdleOne> ahhh see all I have is this machine with a 20Gig hd cant realy partition to much here
[12:43] <IdleOne> well when it is done let me know how it turns out. if it isnt to bad 'll go ahead and upgrade also
[12:47] <Hobbsee> this is 80, but i was tripple booting on 40 too
[12:47] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: hm.  seems OK.  should i reboot?  :)
[12:49] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: does it want you to?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> doesnt say to - only restart firefox
[12:50] <Hobbsee> we have no kernel yet, so...
[12:50] <IdleOne> so dont
[12:50] <IdleOne> why take the chance lol
[12:52] <cps1966> ! seamonkey
[12:52] <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011
[12:59] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: because i'll hav to eventually :P
[13:07] <IdleOne> I just got a warning about not being about not being able to initiate dbus
[13:07] <cps1966> who needs it
[13:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here
[13:07] <Hobbsee> no idea
[13:08] <compwiz18> I just upgraded to hardy, rebooting now... wish me luck :D
[13:08] <Amaranth> the 'transparent' proxy here doesn't seem to work so i can't get updates :P
[13:08] <Amaranth> well, i can but the mirror is out of sync
[13:09] <cps1966> i have half assed install of gutsy
[13:09] <cps1966> man what a pain in the ass it has become to install
[13:10] <cps1966> wants to stick my promise controler drives out front of pata drives
[13:10] <compwiz18> wow.  hardy works.
[13:12] <cps1966> i have it on hda2 and it says its on sdc2
[13:14] <compwiz18> yeah
[13:14] <cps1966> stupid shit
[13:14] <compwiz18> mine says it is sda too
[13:14] <cps1966> well thats fine but it has two 500GB storage as sda and sdb
[13:15] <cps1966> first
[13:15] <Hobbsee> cps1966: and this is not a gutsy support channel?
[13:15] <cps1966> thats not the way it set in bios
[13:15] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: poor you :P
[13:15] <Amaranth> cps1966: I don't see a problem here
[13:16] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  i complained here long before it was released and noone did a fucking things about it
[13:16] <IdleOne> well here I go
[13:16] <Pici> !language | cps1966
[13:16]  * IdleOne crosses fingers and toes
[13:16]  * Pici pokes ubotu 
[13:16] <compwiz18> good luck IdleOne :P
[13:16] <ubotu> cps1966: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[13:16] <IdleOne> compwiz18: ty. 162 packages upgraded, 16 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:16] <Hobbsee> cps1966: probably because a) the devs arent here for the most part.  b) irc is not a good todo list.  c)  not enough info
[13:16] <Hobbsee> and a few other reasons
[13:17] <cps1966> its been that way since fiesty
[13:18] <cps1966> makes it hard to set up grub
[13:18] <IdleOne> cps1966: problem is that nobody here is paid to do this but you act like ubuntu Devs owe you something. relax and file a bug report /wish on launchpad.net hopefully it will be fixed soon
[13:19] <cps1966> i have 7 physical drives plus dvd two raid controlers on board
[13:20] <cps1966> so its not so simple to set up server
[13:20] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: or just ignore the guy.  *shrug*
[13:21] <compwiz18> update-manager worked for me
[13:22] <IdleOne> compwiz18: I changed sources.list and did a dist-upgrade
[13:22] <IdleOne> from cli
[13:22] <IdleOne> hoping it doesnt break
[13:22] <compwiz18> IdleOne, I changed the sources.list and then update-manager --dist-upgrade -d and that worked
[13:22] <cps1966> heck this machine is old dual xeon p4 2.4 ghz 2003 old
[13:23] <IdleOne> cps1966: lolthat is brand spanking shiny new my machine is a 2000
[13:23] <compwiz18> cps1966, that's faster then all the machines that I've got put together
[13:24] <cps1966> well i do have a simple dual p3 1 ghz
[13:24] <cps1966> also
[13:24] <cps1966> and a compaq proliant dual p3
[13:25] <bazhang> Thanks Hobbsee! will try it on a test machine--way more cautious than you :}
[13:25] <IdleOne> you know if this doesnt work I am going to go over to Hobbsee's and make you fix my computer lol
[13:25] <bazhang> :}
[13:26] <IdleOne> Installing new version of config file /etc/gai.conf    gai????.conf
[13:26] <IdleOne> heh
[13:26] <hydrogen> GetAddressInfo
[13:27] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: dream on :)
[13:27] <IdleOne> hydrogen: yeah I figured it was something techical
[13:27] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: dream on about?
[13:27] <IdleOne> oh making you fix my computer
[13:27] <IdleOne> lol
[13:28] <Hobbsee> yes
[13:28] <Hobbsee> although i probably will end up fixing parts of it
[13:28] <cps1966> i'm sure i'm not the only one to have a full boat machine with lots of hardware
[13:29] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: hopefully this is going to go off withouta hich and Hardy will be released in perfect working order. the 1st OS ever to be released and not broken :)
[13:29] <Hobbsee> oh, i'tll get broken.
[13:30] <cps1966> haha
[13:30] <Hobbsee> history tells us this :)
[13:30] <Hobbsee> majority of merging hasnt been started yet
[13:30] <Pici> It'll be broken before its fixed.
[13:30] <IdleOne> lol Pici thats how it usualy works yeah
[13:30] <cps1966> best release so far was dapper
[13:30] <Hobbsee> pft.  dapper broke a lot
[13:30] <Hobbsee> youv'e forgotten dapper X woes?
[13:31] <cps1966> not for me
[13:31] <Hobbsee> broke for everyone, even with intel cards.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> you may not have been running it early enough
[13:31] <cps1966> i have nvidia
[13:31] <IdleOne> I spent more time fixing dapper then I did not fixing it.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> edgy wouldnt boot
[13:31] <IdleOne> couldnt wait for edgy lol
[13:31] <Hobbsee> feisty had major kernel troubles at the end.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> gutsy...not sure what that really had...
[13:32] <Hobbsee> oh, compiz woes
[13:32] <cps1966> install troubles
[13:32] <IdleOne> still has compiz problems doesnt it?
[13:32] <cps1966> cant find packages that are on cd
[13:32] <Hobbsee> yeah
[13:32] <Hobbsee> cps1966: ?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> cps1966: which packages/
[13:33] <IdleOne> cps1966: sounds like you got a corrupt cd
[13:34] <cps1966> ah lets see after it misses one it keeps missing them all
[13:34] <cps1966> na it checks good
[13:34] <cps1966> md5sum is good and check media works fine
[13:34] <IdleOne> cps1966: what package does it miss to start with?
[13:35] <cps1966> cant remember but it part of base system
[13:35] <compwiz18> if you burn the cd then do md5sum /dev/hdc, will it give you the md5sum of the iso?
[13:35] <cps1966> i used apt-get to install kubuntu-desktop
[13:35] <compwiz18> or should it give you the md5 of the iso, rather?
[13:35] <cps1966> leme see
[13:37] <IdleOne> would I would like is if Ubuntu can make gnome light weight .
[13:37] <IdleOne> -would / what
[13:38] <IdleOne> make it fast like XFCE but with all the gnome functionality.
[13:38]  * IdleOne likes having a few desktop icons
[13:38] <cps1966> what functionability
[13:39] <IdleOne> well maybe that was the wrong word
[13:39] <compwiz18> awesome
[13:39] <IdleOne> I just want my default ubuntu install to snap to when I click on a shortcut
[13:40] <IdleOne> compwiz18: ???
[13:40] <compwiz18> IdleOne, wrong tab, sorry
[13:40] <IdleOne> lol
[13:40]  * compwiz18 gets confused easily...
[13:40] <IdleOne> s'ok just dont do it again
[13:40] <compwiz18> I won't :)
[13:40]  * Worm likes alt+F2 shortcut
[13:41] <IdleOne> I just got a software update notification and the upgrade is not done yet :)
[13:42] <IdleOne> worm I never use it
[13:45] <Worm> IdleOne: Well, I don't have any icons on my desktop so I have to use it. I don't use the menu bar so often and that shortcut is very useful.
[13:47] <IdleOne> cool Boinc has finally changed it's icon :)
[13:47] <IdleOne> hehe looked up and saw a new icon on my panel lmao
[13:48] <cps1966> i give up cant get md5sum of cd
[13:48] <ikonia> cps1966 what's up
[13:49] <cps1966> well Hobbsee asked me for md5sum of burned cd but it keeps saying its a dir
[13:49]  * Hobbsee asked for which packages, and the general issue
[13:49] <IdleOne> Setting up libtoastncoffee-dbus1.0(0.6.0-1)
[13:49] <IdleOne> ?? whats that about
[13:50] <IdleOne> hehe
[13:50] <cps1966> well its about 7-8 th file it needs is all i can recall
[13:51] <cps1966> that was 5 hours ago it took so long to install it piece by piece
[13:51] <ikonia> IdleOne looks like dbus and cdrw intergration
[13:52] <IdleOne> ikonia: :)
[13:53] <ikonia> Hobbsee: NICE topic
[13:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[13:53] <ikonia> Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work -- this is definitely pre-alpha
[13:53] <ikonia> nice to see it spelt out
[13:54] <IdleOne> so what did we do? jumped to upgrade
[13:54] <ikonia> IdleOne ?
[13:55]  * IdleOne is upgrading right now
[13:55] <ikonia> Jaymac aztec west ?
[13:55] <IdleOne> compwiz18: did also and so did Hobbsee  and I believe Amaranth did and prolly a few others
[13:56] <ikonia> IdleOne I think topic is more aimed at "average joe" who wants the latest thing
[13:56] <IdleOne> yeah
[13:56] <Hobbsee> no, taht's just so people arent surprised when it does die.
[13:56] <ikonia> IdleOne remember all the "I can't get the cube working - this is stopping my life from working"
[13:57] <IdleOne> average joe will go for it anyway
[13:57] <ikonia> Hobbsee m,ost people know it won't work or have massive bugs
[13:57] <IdleOne> ikonia: yeah I remember that and the entire time Im thinking what cube? why do these people want a cube lol
[13:57]  * IdleOne doeasnt have 3d
[13:57] <ikonia> IdleOne there was one guy Crozaz or something who expected everything to work and wanted to fix everything in channel
[13:58] <IdleOne> and Im not to sure I want it
[13:58] <Pici> ikonia: crozar :)
[13:58] <ikonia> he kept being told "its beta and won't work" and kept saying "others are using it and it works, or "its worked for me so far
[13:58] <ikonia> Pici thats the rascal
[13:58] <Hobbsee> ikonia: no they dont.
[13:58] <IdleOne> yeah I remember him
[13:58] <Amaranth> !worksforme
[13:58] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[13:59] <ikonia> Hobbsee most people who are following or interested in the development will know I should have said
[13:59] <ikonia> Hobbsee you are correct
[13:59] <Hobbsee> yes.  should.
[13:59] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: you should add " Please see !worksforme " to topic
[13:59] <Hobbsee> hm
[13:59] <ikonia> topic is fine
[13:59] <Hobbsee> that's probably not a bad idea, although it will get long
[14:00] <ikonia> I was just saying its nice to see it spelt out
[14:00] <IdleOne> average joe needs a definition
[14:00] <IdleOne> brb smoke break
[14:09] <IdleOne> alright time for a reboot
[14:10] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  i have dpkg.log but it doesn't tell what packages it missed but it skips around a bit
[14:11] <cps1966> 2007-10-31 04:17:46 status half-configured base-files 4.0.0ubuntu5
[14:12] <cps1966> 2007-10-31 04:17:48 status half-configured libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu9
[14:13] <cps1966> status half-installed perl-base 5.8.8-7ubuntu3
[14:16] <IdleOne> well hardy !worksforme
[14:16] <hydrogen> hmm
[14:17] <hydrogen> anyone remember sphereXP
[14:17] <hydrogen> to change the topic to an off topic one!
[14:22] <ikonia> IdleOne !="not"
[14:22] <IdleOne> ikonia: ??
[14:22] <ikonia> IdleOne select blah from table where blah !=test
[14:22] <Hobbsee> the factoid, most likely
[14:22] <ikonia> IdleOne: ! in plssql means not
[14:22] <IdleOne> oh
[14:23] <ikonia> Hobbsee I was teasing
[14:23] <IdleOne> well what is the symbol for "does"
[14:23] <IdleOne> :P
[14:29] <hydrogen> Please add Hydrogen doesn't !workforme to the topic!
[14:29] <hydrogen> becaues i'm not in a topic that often :(
[14:43] <Hobbsee> ahh! there is brokenness!
[14:43] <Pici> aha!
[14:43] <Hobbsee> software sources does not fun
[14:43] <Hobbsee> er, run
[14:48] <rbrunhuber> hi
[14:48] <Hobbsee> ah ha.  nasty hack :)
[14:49] <Pici> Who?
[14:49] <Pici> Or What ;)
[14:49] <Hobbsee> aww, it wont run more often than daily anyway
[14:49] <Hobbsee> software sources doesnt have a hardy template yet
[14:50] <Pici> Ah.
[14:50] <Hobbsee> so, i did the logical thing, and tricked it into thinking it was gutsy.
[14:50] <Hobbsee> to get it to run
[15:19] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: share the hack please. if you could pastebin instructions or just tell me here if it is simple
[15:19] <Hobbsee> you dont want to use it
[15:19] <IdleOne> hehe why not
[15:20] <Hobbsee> unless you only want to access it for specific purposes, and not change anything
[15:20] <IdleOne> actualy i dont really need to access it I guess
[18:59] <sn9> when is the next resync with debian for xorg in hardy?
[19:03] <gnomefreak> sn9: awhile, 6.10 release it was in december iirc
[19:04] <gnomefreak> sn9: best way to know is wait or ask if you can help with it
[19:04] <sn9> edgy? wtf?
[19:04] <gnomefreak> afaik we still only have one X dev
[19:04] <gnomefreak> sn9: i used it because of time frame
[19:04] <gnomefreak> so figure a month or a little over a month
[19:05] <sn9> but the xorg in gutsy seems to coincide with lenny
[19:05] <gnomefreak> sn9: if i used gutsy it was very late in the release
[19:05] <sn9> "used gutsy" ?
[19:05] <gnomefreak> it was a month or 6 weeks before release that xorg was done
[19:06] <sn9> done in ubuntu, right?
[19:06] <gnomefreak> no wait it was feisty that was in dec. not edgy sorry
[19:06] <gnomefreak> sn9: yes
[19:06] <gnomefreak> but if we decide to take it from debian that it depends on debian
[19:07] <sn9> but feisty came before lenny
[19:07] <sn9> before the xorg in lenny, that is
[19:08] <gnomefreak> feisty nor gutsy used lenny we take from sid most of time
[19:08] <sn9> i know, but what is now in lenny was then in sid
[19:08] <gnomefreak> sn9: me not being a X dev i cant tell you when it will get done but i promise it will be a while
[19:09] <sn9> one xorg guy? which video chipset does he personally have, btw?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> sid is where we get packages from if we merge from debian not all packages are in sid first
[19:10] <gnomefreak> sn9: dont know, most devs have more than one pc and devs test packages before they are put into repos
[19:10] <sn9> the reason i ask is:
[19:10] <gnomefreak> so maybe xorg gets on 10 pcs and tested before it lands in repos
[19:10] <gnomefreak> sn9: to make sure it works
[19:11] <gnomefreak> for the most part atleast, we cant test ever aspect of every app
[19:11] <sn9> although my personal strong preference for a distro is ubuntu, i thought i'd give setting up a knoppmyth box a try
[19:11] <sn9> the hardware has s3 unichrome
[19:12] <sn9> no knoppmyth dev has unichrome hardware
[19:12] <gnomefreak> thats strictly up to you. not all my pcs run ubuntu
[19:12] <sn9> i did an "apt-get -b source" of ubuntu's openchrome driver on it
[19:13] <sn9> it works as well as could be expected, but i had to downgrade xorg for it
[19:13] <sn9> the openchrome snapshot currently in hardy is quite old
[19:16] <gnomefreak> sn9: same as in gutsy
[19:16] <sn9> right
[19:17] <sn9> there are launchpad entries saying it doesn't work in gutsy
[19:17] <sn9> but the same pkg works on knoppmyth, so that must be a kernel issue
[19:17] <gnomefreak> sn9: there will always be bugs in apps unless you fix them, we cant fix all bugs nor cant we keep up with all bugs
[19:18] <gnomefreak> hint you want it to change help out.
[19:18] <sn9> i understand that -- it wasn't an objection
[19:21] <sn9> having only one xorg guy certainly explains a lot, since debian's xorg is so messed up
[19:21] <sn9> who is it, btw?
[19:23] <sn9> i might be able to help a little on certain chipsets
[19:30] <sn9> gnomefreak: hmm?
[19:57] <rabbit64> Hi. I've got an idea... to ask to enable boinc in ubuntu installation process. Imagine, that for example million users who do not know what boinc is would donate their processing power. is it so stupid idea?
[20:01] <sn9> rabbit64: not everybody has that much processing power. this isn't vista
[20:03] <rabbit64> sn9, for example i have core2duo and x1800xt (i dont know if processing power of a video card can be used), but if all distributions will include boinc and linux will become widespread, it can help (or not?)
[20:03] <sn9> it could, but there are many boinc-powered projects, and the user should be able to choose from among them
[20:05] <rabbit64> so let's make an option to choose a random project...or to make the choice easy or something like that
[20:05] <sn9> interesting idea
[20:05] <sn9> something like the popcon option in the desktop installer'
[20:06] <sn9> as for your x1800xt: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap_on_video_ram
[20:06] <rabbit64> swap on videoram would be cool...
[20:06] <rabbit64> i will check that
[20:10] <rabbit64> but imagine that there will be many many computer devices around the world, many people will have many of them. It is true that that processing power eats energy of wireless(laptop) devices, but when a remote power charging becomes standard, the processing power will be quite huge, don't you think?
[20:11] <sn9> remote power charging is a pipe dream, like perpetual motion
[20:12] <rabbit64> i have read about it, it works with 20% efficiency i think
[20:12] <bmk789_> except wireless power is possible
[20:12] <rabbit64> google it
[20:12] <rabbit64> it is possible
[20:14] <rabbit64> I think that if an sci-fi like AI 'society' would exist, they would do it ;)
[20:18] <sn9> rabbit64: the benefits of wireless power will never outweigh its costs
[20:19] <rabbit64> sn9, as for perpetual motion, maybe if we could use dark energy, we would have unlimited power source, even though it wouldn't be perpetual, but theoretically possible (provided that it exists...), why not?
[20:19] <sn9> same idea
[20:24] <rabbit64> sn9, 40% efficiency is not so bad
[20:24] <rabbit64> or not 40? hmm dunno
[20:29] <rabbit64> lol i just found out that someone else posted that idea :D