[01:03] <Hobbsee> err.  who's responsible for the example content on the live cds and installed system?
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: The four people listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent might be a good-ish start, although the package maintainer is listed as ArtworkTeam, and some of those folks (eg Jane) aren't around anymore, so I'm not sure.
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> s/four/three/
[01:06] <Hobbsee> mmm, OK
[01:06] <Hobbsee> looks like the speex file wont actually play on a default ubuntu install
[01:08] <pwnguin> Maintainer: Ubuntu Artwork Team <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com>
[01:08] <pwnguin> would be a good place to hit i think
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hm, OK
[01:09] <Hobbsee> oh, you can force open it - apparently it has the wrong suffix
[01:18] <Hobbsee> okay, do we have a feed reader that *doesnt* suck?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> liferea keeps marking my feeds as new
[01:18] <Hobbsee> and i cant delete the articles, as it just redownloads them again, and marks them as new
[01:21] <Fujitsu> /win/win 8
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[01:23] <ajmitch> you won?
[01:23] <RAOF> Everyone won!
[01:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: google reader
[01:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I did.
[01:25] <pwnguin> any idea which files to look at to determine which ubuntu release was used to install?
[01:26] <ajmitch> pwnguin: /etc/lsb-release, which the lsb_release tool looks at
[01:26] <pwnguin> isnt that the current version?
[01:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That changes on upgrades.
[01:26] <pwnguin> i had just been using an oldest file on FS heuristic
[01:27] <pwnguin> but i figure there might be something in /var/log
[01:27] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: right, I was thinking he meant the current release, sorry
[01:28] <pwnguin> hmm. from /var/log/syslog: May  8 06:00:09 (none) syslog.warn klogd: Linux version 2.6.8.1-3-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)) #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Nice and old.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Hoary?
[01:31] <pwnguin> im thinking warty
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Dapper was .12.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I think Breezy was .10.
[01:31]  * Fujitsu checks.
[01:31] <pwnguin> grep Warty questions.dat  cdname = Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[01:32] <pwnguin> runs gutsy now
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Oops, Dapper was .15.
[01:32] <zul> breezy was .12
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[01:33] <Fujitsu> I knew one of them was .12.
[01:33] <zul> hoary was .10
[01:33] <pwnguin> all i know is that /var/log/debian-installer doesn't even exist on my laptop
[01:33]  * zul should know I did kernel security patches for those kernels at one point
[01:34] <pwnguin> brutal
[01:35] <ajmitch> zul: but you had so much fun doing it
[02:11] <Ahmuck> !package
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <Ahmuck> !deb
[02:12] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[02:12] <Ahmuck> !apt
[02:12] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot
[02:12] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:18] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: http://risujin.org/cellwriter/
[03:22] <pwnguin> neat
[03:25] <pwnguin> Burgundavia: how old is that?
[03:26] <Burgundavia> very youung
[03:27] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: you can't be that young
[03:27] <Keybuk> you were young in Mataro
[03:27] <Burgundavia> I am still young
[03:28] <pwnguin> hmm. indeed, its in debian as of september
[03:28] <Burgundavia> it looks interesting as a target for the mobile people
[03:28] <pwnguin> heck, it looks interesting as a target for my tablet
[03:29] <Burgundavia> that too
[03:29] <Keybuk> dasher++
[03:30]  * popey had fun with lowfat on his laptop today
[03:30] <popey> well, to be fair maclosw had fun with it
[03:30] <popey> near wet himself
[03:32] <pwnguin> dasher's neat, but its not very well integrated
[03:32] <Burgundavia> dasher rocks
[03:33] <pwnguin> TIP rocks. dasher is merely neat, unless you happen to fit one of the categories they designed it for
[03:37] <pwnguin> wth
[03:37] <pwnguin> the debian cellwriter package depends on hurd
[03:39] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: Only on hurd-i386.
[03:40] <Fujitsu> But one would think hurd would be Essential on such an arch, anyway.
[03:44] <ion_> Cellwriter seems nice. (This was written with it.)
[03:46] <pwnguin> you just install the debian version, or sync it?
[03:48] <ion_> I just installed the deb from the program’s website.
[03:48] <ion_> And now i removed it, since i don’t have a touchscreen. :-)
[03:48] <pwnguin> ive got a wacom
[03:48] <ion_> I should buy one some day.
[03:49] <ion_> A wacom, that is.
[03:49] <pwnguin> it came with the laptop
[03:49] <pwnguin> not cheap btw
[03:51] <Ahmuck> wacom are about 70.00
[03:52] <pwnguin> they're a lot more if you want one build into the screen with a capable 3d GPU
[03:52] <pwnguin> mostly because the market is smaller i guess
[03:53] <ion_> I’ll be happy with the cheapest wacom pad available. :-)
[03:54] <ion_> One built into a TFT screen would be awesome, of course, but i rather put my money to things like food. ;-)
[03:54] <pwnguin> the cheap pads dont have displays integrated
[03:54] <Ahmuck> wacom bamboo - 70.00, though i would recommend the wacom bamboo fun
[03:54] <slangasek> StevenK: hah, dexter singled you out as having a vendetta against yada? :)
[03:55] <StevenK> So it would seem.
[03:55] <ajmitch> poor yada
[03:55] <ajmitch> so sad & unloved
[03:55] <StevenK> Poor me
[04:28] <Keybuk> http://quest.netsplit.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-31/index.html
[04:28] <Keybuk> err
[04:28] <Keybuk> no
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> from pytz import timezone
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> tz = timezone("US/Eastern")
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> tz._utcoffset
[04:28] <Keybuk> datetime.timedelta(-1, 68400)
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> 68400 / 3600
[04:28] <Keybuk> 19
[04:28] <Keybuk> GRR @ PYTHON
[09:30] <pwnguin> Cellwriter is verra nice. It's even instrumented to tell how long a given character took to recognize
[09:38] <ion_> I’d like it to have a hybird input+learning mode. When you draw a letter, it could automatically add what you drew to the letter it came up with (or what you chose to correct it).
[09:38] <pwnguin> it does
[09:38] <pwnguin> right click
[09:38] <ion_> Ok, neat.
[09:40] <pwnguin> its also not clear, but training takes more than one entry
[09:40] <ion_> How is right click related?
[09:40] <pwnguin> as you write, the character gets darker
[09:40] <pwnguin> ion_: if you right click on a cell, it brings up a correction menu
[09:40] <ion_> Yes.
[09:40] <pwnguin> if you make a correction, it takes that into consideration
[09:41] <pwnguin> the paper said it discards all the higher strokes it found
[09:49] <ion_> Nope, it doesn’t seem to learn when drawing characters in input mode.
[09:50] <pwnguin> well, I'd have to review the code, but there's definately a "train on input" option
[09:51] <havoque>  is there some boot parameter that should be entered at the gutsy install prompt to force the use of old pata drivers, because with the default install options the new libata subsystem loads, thus treating my hdd as sda instead of hda, and imposes a limit of 15 partitions, i have 20, and want to install gutsy in hda17(/) and hda 18 (/home)?
[09:51] <ion_> Ok, it seems to learn when pressing enter. I didn’t test that.
[09:51] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:51] <pwnguin> interesting
[09:51] <havoque> i really don't know where to ask this question
[09:52] <pwnguin> ion_: that should probably be fixed =/ along with the docking mode
[09:52] <pwnguin> fullscreen'd apps should really respect the lower dock
[09:52] <ion_> I don’t think it’s wrong to defer the learning until enter is hit.
[09:53] <pwnguin> well, its not exactly obvious ;)
[09:54] <pwnguin> are there any handwriting fonts like comic sans without the stigma?
[09:57] <havoque> anyone?
[09:58] <pwnguin> havoque: most developers are at MIT right now sleeping
[09:59] <ion_> It also might be a good idea to have an initial set of learned data for each character. Using the train-while-inputting mode, the user’s handwriting style should override any differences quicly.
[10:00] <havoque> sorry, didn't realize the huge time difference between here and "there"
[10:00] <pwnguin> havoque: its 6am there. in a few hours or so you might get a bite, or try #ubuntu
[10:01] <pwnguin> ion_: theres only one developer that I can see, and that makes sense, but its only been out for a month or so.
[10:04] <havoque> i'll check back later, thanx
[10:26] <ion_> pwnguin: CellWriter really should add a new input row one character sooner, in case the user wants to input a space as the row’s last character.
[12:51] <pitti> Good morning
[12:51] <Hobbsee> guten morgen pitti!  Wie gehts?
[12:56] <pitti> Hobbsee: wohooo! Much better, thanks!
[12:56] <pitti> Hobbsee: und Du?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> pitti: too much bier?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> pitti: gut.  upgraded to hardy.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> don't know if i should reboot :)
[12:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: oh, adventurous
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i did for gutsy too - and that really was adventurous, as there was no wired connection :)
[12:58] <sbalneav> bier?  Lets hope not! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bier
[12:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:59] <Hobbsee> die Deutsch Bier!
[12:59] <pitti> Hobbsee: "Das deutsche Bier" :)
[13:05] <Hobbsee_> ruddy thing.
[13:05] <Hobbsee_> gah!!!
[13:05] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: how much got thru?
[13:06] <Hobbsee> morning seb128.  you havent broken enough.
[13:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: don't worry, I will
[13:07] <seb128> hi Hobbsee
[13:07] <seb128> Hobbsee: broken what?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: :P
[13:07] <Hobbsee> hiya seb128
[13:07] <Hobbsee> seb128: well, when upgrading to hardy, i expect *something* to break.
[13:08] <seb128> Hobbsee: maybe you might make this something be KDE? ;-)
[13:08] <Hobbsee> seb128: eparse.
[13:09] <seb128> Hobbsee: maybe you can make this something be KDE? ;-)
[13:09]  * seb128 needs coffee
[13:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: ahhh.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: i dont think Riddell would be very happy
[13:10] <jdong> KoffEE?
[13:10]  * Hobbsee ntoes that's a *really* weird sentence construct.
[13:10] <Amaranth> jdong: when are you going to come over here?
[13:10] <jdong> Amaranth: how about after I fail my exam today and finish my homework due Friday tonight? :)
[13:10] <seb128> Hobbsee: weird like in incorrect or non common? ;-)
[13:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: non-common.  it's still correct.
[13:11] <Amaranth> jdong: If you're going to fail just skip it. ;)
[13:11] <jdong> Amaranth: lol, this is chemistry, not the Compiz blacklist :)
[13:11] <seb128> Hobbsee: ok ;-)
[13:12] <Hobbsee> guten morgen, dholbach
[13:12] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[13:13] <dholbach> Hobbsee: how are you doing?
[13:13]  * Hobbsee throws spam at jsgotangco
[13:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: good.  upgraded to hardy.  worked on assignment.
[13:13] <dholbach> Hobbsee: rock on!
[13:13]  * dholbach hugs Hobbsee
[13:14]  * Hobbsee hugs dholbach
[13:17] <jsgotangco> :P
[13:18] <wshaddix> is ath5k in the backports repo for gutsy yet?
[13:23] <imbrandon> someone kick jono and tell him to speak-up
[13:23] <imbrandon> *please*
[13:23] <imbrandon> jcastro ^^
[13:25] <jono> imbrandon: will do
[13:27] <imbrandon> :)
[13:35] <^robertj> is the hwdb working ?i've just checked a few random entries and none are showing cpu/memory
[13:35] <zul> hey BenC
[13:35] <BenC> hey
[13:40] <imbrandon> jono, http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:44] <desrt> jamiemcc; hey
[13:44] <jamiemcc> hi desrt
[13:44] <desrt> jamiemcc; rob just proposed a tracker review spec at UDS
[13:45] <jamiemcc> review?
[13:45] <desrt> jamiemcc; might want to keep your eye on the schedule and considering voiping in for that one
[13:45] <desrt> jamiemcc; just a "how is it working out?" type thing
[13:45] <jamiemcc> ah right
[13:47] <desrt> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/tracker-review
[13:47] <jamiemcc> desrt: sounds good - thx
[13:48] <soren> I got a Reject e-mail about a package I have no recollection of attempting to upload.. Has anyone else seen this?
[13:49]  * ^robertj fantasizes about using nautilus to search for top highest mtimes
[13:51] <Hobbsee> soren: to ppa?
[13:51] <Hobbsee> soren: for a group you belong to?
[13:54] <soren> Hobbsee: Nono, Ubuntu proper.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> soren: odd.
[13:55] <soren> Quite
[13:55] <soren> It claimed that I attempted to upload the Debian versio nof signing-party and now rejects it, because it's already in Ubuntu (due to auto-sync, probably)
[13:55] <Hobbsee> right...
[13:57] <soren> Hobbsee: Ah, I may have filed a sync-request for it.
[13:58] <Kmos> how about "requestsync" to add tag "sync" automatically when filed a bug report ?
[13:58] <soren> Hobbsee: I suppose if someone attempted to sync it twice, this is what would happen.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> soren: i think they tried to ack them twice.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Kmos: what's the point?
[13:59] <Kmos> Hobbsee: when search for "sync" in LP to get all of them
[14:00]  * Hobbsee wonders why you want to
[14:00] <Hobbsee> can tags even be done by email now?
[14:01] <Kmos> Hobbsee: need to check that first, i just want to know first
[14:01] <pitti> StevenK: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[14:02] <Kmos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags -> doesn't have "sync" tag anymore listed
[14:02] <StevenK> pitti: Ah
[14:02] <Hobbsee> which means that it's a not a valid tag anymore.
[14:02] <Kmos> yeah
[14:02] <Kmos> so forget :)
[14:03] <sridhar> hi everbody, I need to create live come install CD for our distro which is based on debian, but iam following the procedure of "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization", but iam getiing error, while loading kernel " /init: .: 163: Can't open /scripts/casper  Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" plz
[14:10] <tobias_> Anyone working on the merges for hardy yet?
[14:11] <Keybuk> tobias_: many people
[14:11] <tobias_> Keybuk: Great! I assumed eerybody to be at the devsumit:-)
[14:11] <bddebian> Heya
[14:12] <Keybuk> we are
[14:12] <Hobbsee> most of you are, anyway :P
[14:13] <tobias_> Ah, so everybody is busy with other stuff.
[14:13] <tobias_> Hobbsee: They did not invite you?
[14:13] <Hobbsee> tobias_: they did, but i turned it down due to a complicated uni subject that i'm taking this semester, which i'm hating :(
[14:14]  * tobias_ comforts Hobbsee.
[14:14] <gdiebel> Someone here that uses thunderbird please answer a question: Does it work with auto offline backend? What I mean is if you pull your network cable or disconnect from wireless while tb is in online mode, does it detect the change and switch over to offline mode? It works this way in windows and the code is supposed to work in linux, with a necko component that talks to networkmanager. The implementation bug is closed so pe
[14:15]  * Hobbsee checks topic, and notes that gdiebel got cut off
[14:21] <pitti> mjg59: ah, wrt. hal doc symlinks: the current cdbs is correct, the upgrade just breaks because in gutsy someone symlinked the *entire* doc directory across packages (which is evil); I'll fix that in a preinst
[14:21] <pitti> mjg59: thanks for pointing that out
[14:23] <mjg59> pitti: Sweet, thanks
[14:58] <bddebian> pitti: Do you happen to have any special affinity for clanbomber?
[14:59] <pitti> bddebian: well, I'm still the official Debian maintainer for it
[14:59] <pitti> bddebian: unfortunately upstream pretty much stopped developing it
[15:00] <bddebian> pitti: Aye, that's why I am asking.  Do you have any interest in moving maintainership to the Debian Games Team?
[15:00] <bddebian> Also, do you happen to know if it builds with the newer clanlib 0.8 ?
[15:00] <pitti> bddebian: oh, not at all
[15:01] <pitti> bddebian: hm, I don't think I tried it with 0.8
[15:01] <bddebian> pitti: Well it hasn't been uploaded yet because of clanbomber, pingus, and epiphany
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: if you want to move it to alioth and change Maintainer: etc. to the team, please go ahead
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: I might not have time to do this in this week, due to UDS and all that
[15:02] <soren> jdong: Could you pass me the link to the pbuilder patch again, please?
[15:02] <bddebian> pitti: Great, I'll play around with it and ping you whenever I have a package and such, thanks
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: awesome, thanks
[15:09] <jdong> soren: bug 157867
[15:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157867 in pbuilder "pdebuild-internal broken when XSBC-Orig-Maintainer used because of faulty sed command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157867
[15:10] <soren> jdong: Thanks very much. I'll upload in a few minutes.
[15:10] <soren> No, really.
[15:10] <jdong> soren: no, thank _you_ :)
[15:14]  * soren have only just now realised that it's an SRU
[15:14]  * soren grumbles
[15:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[15:14] <Hobbsee> you and i share the same opinion of SRU's, it seems
[15:15] <jdong> soren: meh apply the patch to Hardy first, since it's easier
[15:15] <jdong> soren: as far as the SRU it'd be nice but not required
[15:15] <soren> jdong: It would have to be applied to Hardy, I guess.
[15:15] <soren> first, that is.
[15:15] <jdong> soren: I think I (backports/prevu) am the only one who uses pdebuild-internal anyway, so I can just have hardy pbuilder backported
[15:17] <soren> that would be much appreciated.
[15:18] <jdong> soren: sure thing; I understand SRU for main can be a royal pain
[15:18] <soren> This is fun. 0.174ubuntu2 is timestamped earlier than 0.174ubuntu1 now. Meh.
[15:18] <jdong> soren: also, I'm grossly phobic of the Debian BTS, could you be so kind as to forward this to Debian?
[15:19] <soren> jdong: Sure.
[15:19] <jdong> thanks
[15:19] <soren> I share your phobia, though.
[15:22] <lool> Did some people have success in dist-upgrading to hardy?  Would it be crazy to do so now?
[15:22] <soren> lool: You're still on gutsy?!?! Sheesh!
[15:23] <Mithrandir> lool: you're french, you're crazy already. :-P
[15:23] <persia> lool: The trick is to upgrade when the archive is still frozen: that way there's no problems to encounter
[15:23] <Hobbsee> lool: i had success
[15:23] <Hobbsee> lool: only thing that's broken appears to be software sources, due to no distribution template.
[15:23] <freeflying> Hobbsee: so brave :)
[15:24]  * lool puts his French hat on, hugs Hobbsee and goes dist upgrading
[15:24]  * Hobbsee hugs lool back
[15:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i did for gutsy too.  but that was more risky, without a wired connection
[15:25] <`23meg> Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598387
[15:26] <Hobbsee> `23meg: sounds useful
[15:27] <`23meg> Hobbsee, if enough people join in, yes
[15:28] <`23meg> Hobbsee, we can have "hug weeks" of sorts, focusing on different areas in each
[15:28] <Hobbsee> no, if they're joining and participating *well*
[15:35] <soren> jdong: Pushed to hardy, and filed in bts. Thanks.
[15:37] <soren> jdong: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448757 for reference.
[15:47] <Mithrandir> StevenK: do you have your modest packaging somewhere?
[15:48] <Hobbsee> uh oh, sabdfl here.  everyone behave!
[15:48] <slangasek> sabdfl: behave
[15:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: heya, when do you want to discuss the sponsorship queue?
[15:48] <liw> beehive? everyone wear a net!
[15:49]  * Hobbsee cowers under a rock
[15:49] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Yes. On my home machine. :-)
[15:49] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'm in a session right now. what do you want to discuss about it?
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: oh, you're in the community one?  right.
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the handing of it over to you.
[15:50] <dholbach> Hobbsee: it will always be a thing we have to attack as a team
[15:50] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I certainly spend time on it, but I can't be the SPOF for that one
[15:50] <pipegeek> Hi, folks
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: SPOF?
[15:50] <dholbach> single point of failure
[15:51]  * persia notes that Hobbsee is likely speaking about administration, rather than actual sponsoring
[15:51] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[15:51] <Hobbsee> dholbach: sure, but i fully intend to deactivate myself after losing admin rights, so that'll be up to you and the rest of the team
[15:51]  * Hobbsee can continue doing mailing list admin, no problem
[15:51]  * dholbach hugs Hobbsee
[15:51] <Hobbsee> but, i dont relaly want to be on that sponsors list.
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks for your work on that
[15:51] <Mithrandir> StevenK: could you put it in a tarfile on teh intarweb somewhere?
[15:51] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I could.
[15:51] <Mithrandir> StevenK: thanks. :-)
[15:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: once the dust settles here a bit, I'll definitely start a new call for help on it
[15:51] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you're welcome.  but i've had more than enough of it, i'm afraid.
[15:52] <pipegeek> I seem to remember there was a but in network-manager-pptp in feisty, that caused atypical dns configurations to break.  Particularly, if DNS peering was disabled for a connection, network-manager would overwrite /etc/resolv.conf with a blank file until the tunnel was disconnected
[15:52] <Hobbsee> particularly as the S/N ratio has decreased
[15:52] <pipegeek> I just checked.... it seems to still be that way in gutsy.  Why?
[15:52] <dholbach> Hobbsee: that's fine, it's great you helped out so long
[15:52] <pipegeek> or am I missing something
[15:53] <pipegeek> err, a bug
[15:53] <pipegeek> not a butt
[15:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: when's the next MC meeting?
[15:53] <tobias_> pipegeek: Probably because nobody found the time to fix it:-(
[15:53]  * Hobbsee has now read email
[15:53] <pipegeek> sad -.-
[15:53] <StevenK> dholbach: I suspect I will step down from UUS adminshp too
[15:53] <tobias_> pipegeek: Yes, I agree. My pet bugs were not fixed either;-)
[15:53] <pipegeek> mayhaps I should try 'n submit a patch
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: sheesh, double bad news for the day
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I sent a mail to all the members
[15:54] <pipegeek> if it hasn't already been fixed upstream
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: next you're going to tell him that it's flooded?
[15:54] <tobias_> pipegeek: That does help sometimes.
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: how?
[15:54] <Mithrandir> lool: I tested hildon-desktop, stuff does not seem to have blown up.
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hm?
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what did you use to send the mail?  mailing list?
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: all the members of the MC about the meeting time
[15:54] <tobias_> pipegeek: I'd wait for the debian merge though. Maybe they have fixed it already.
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ah right
[15:54] <StevenK> Oh yeah, now I'll tell dholbach his hotel room is flooded
[15:55] <dholbach> StevenK: let's talk about it in the corridor
[15:55] <pipegeek> tobias_: not terribly familiar with the inner workings of ubuntu.... does this mean wait for hardy?
[15:55] <StevenK> dholbach: I'm in session right now
[15:55] <norsetto> Any core-dev with some time to spare, pls. have a look at bug 136634. It contains an SRU proposal for a package in main. Thank you
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[15:55] <dholbach> StevenK: yeah, when we meet, not now :)
[15:55] <tobias_> pipegeek: Nope. First thing each release is to sync with debian.
[15:55] <norsetto> Hi dholbach :-)
[15:55] <pipegeek> aaah
[15:55] <dholbach> heya norsetto
[15:55] <pipegeek> figured that happened before
[15:55] <StevenK> Mithrandir: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/modest/
[15:56] <tobias_> pipegeek: No, that is happening right now.
[15:56] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Mostly based on upstreams crappy packaging.
[15:56] <tobias_> Once that is done is a great time to send in patches.
[15:56] <dholbach> bbl
[15:56] <pipegeek> this confuses me---so, ubuntu releases, but then changes all the package versions by syncing to debian?
[15:56]  * Hobbsee unmoderates stuff on ubuntu-devel again
[15:57] <pipegeek> bah, google and the ubuntu wiki will help ease my confusion
[15:57] <pipegeek> thanks, tobias_
[15:57] <tobias_> pipegeek: gutsy was released. Now everything is synced from debian into hardy. Once that is done the stuff will get stabilized and then released.
[15:57] <pipegeek> aaaaah
[15:57] <pipegeek> so we *are* talking about hardy
[15:57] <tobias_> pipegeek: Yes. Getting changes into a released version seems to be challenging;-)
[15:57] <pipegeek> hehe
[15:58] <pipegeek> understandable
[15:58] <pipegeek> 'specially when they're potentially security-bug inducing
[15:58] <dholbach> see you later
[16:02]  * tobias_ heads home. See you.
[16:26] <lool> Mithrandir: Was this on upgrade or a fresh image?
[16:27] <lool> Mithrandir: Both are supposed to work, but I'm interested in hearing about upgrades going fine; the ~/.osso copy is something we need to be aware of: we're committing to support whatever people end up with therein forever
[16:27] <Riddell> bryyce: can you remind me where the bullet proof X script is?
[16:28] <Riddell> or bryce as appropriate
[16:28]  * lool dist-upgrade to hardy without any issue yet
[16:28] <Solarion> can anyone verify this bug: in bc, divide 4048 by 412
[16:28] <Solarion> erm, 512
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: So what?
[16:29] <Solarion> lool: what do you get?
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: 7
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: You want scale=6 first, or 4096 I guess
[16:29] <elmo> Solarion: bc -l
[16:30] <Solarion> heh
[16:30] <Mithrandir> lool: upgrade, this is my Q1 with loads of stuff on it
[16:30] <lool> Mithrandir: Great news then
[16:30] <lool> Mithrandir: I think you can push it to hardy then if you have some minuets
[16:31] <Solarion> I'm just stupid; nm
[16:31] <Riddell> bryyce: found it in /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[16:47] <StevenK> Mithrandir: News about modest changing, give me about ten
[16:47] <Mithrandir> woo
[16:48] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: did you get my link last night?
[16:49] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: I did, thanks.
[16:49] <Burgundavia> no problem
[16:49] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: seems like it needs a bit of love to be a hildon input method, but that should be doable.
[16:50] <Burgundavia> yep
[16:54] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Mirror at home exploded, ten is more like thirty
[16:54] <Mithrandir> StevenK: no problem
[16:54] <Mithrandir> well, sure, no problem for me, that is
[16:55] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Can you hand me some gaffa tape? :-)
[16:59] <Mithrandir> StevenK: HTH, HAND
[18:28] <tonyyarusso> doko, cjwatson_ : Would you be willing to reconsider Bug #34961?  While I understand that it is more convenient for new home users who want to share a file with their brother or something, convenience for the uninformed user doesn't sound like the usual criteria applied for security-related decisions.  I can confirm that reasonably competent users are not always aware that this is the case, since I just pointed it out to one, and caus
[18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34961 in adduser "Deny read access to other users' home directories by default" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34961
[18:47] <Riddell> pitti: new kdesudo in gutsy-proposed for your approval
[18:47] <Riddell> bug 155032
[18:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[18:47] <pitti> Riddell: ok; I'll do a SRU session later today
[18:50] <norsetto> pitti: I don't know if you saw my previous message, but please consider bug 136634 too in the SRU session
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[18:50] <pitti> norsetto: I'll consider everything that's pending in the queues
[18:51] <norsetto> pittI: well, unless someone uploads it it will not be pending then ;-)
[18:53] <pitti> norsetto: hm, then better find a sponsor soon :) (sorry, I'm in a meeting now)
[18:54] <norsetto> pitti: sure,np,thats why I pinged here hoping to find a good soul ......
[18:55] <sladen> calc: http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks
[18:55] <LaserJock> norsetto: what do you need?
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: was it that debmirror SRU?
[18:56] <norsetto> I need a core-dev to have a llok at bug 136634 and eventually sponsor the debdiff to gutsy-proposed
[18:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[18:56] <norsetto> pitti: yes
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: oh, I'll love you SOO much if you get that fixed!
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: this has bitten me as well
[18:57] <norsetto> pitti: well, its fixed, I have it working on my pc :-)
[19:01] <LaserJock> pitti: do you have time to sponsor it?
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: ok, patch manglified for SRU and approved
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: can you tweak the changelog to be human readable, too?
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: the solution explanation is fine, but it should also explain the impact
[19:03] <pitti> norsetto: like "Fixes debmirror blabla"
[19:03] <pitti> norsetto: I can sponsor it in a bit, yes
[19:03] <norsetto> pitti: sure
[19:07] <pitti> norsetto: btw, exceptionally good SRU request
[19:08] <norsetto> pitti: thanks :-)
[19:10] <pitti> Riddell: btw, do you know about the kdevelop gutsy-proposed upload? changelog does not have a LP bug and the change does not really look SRU worthy
[19:11] <pitti> Riddell: kdesudo accepted, thank you
[19:11] <Riddell> pitti: fooey, it should be bug 156654
[19:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156654 in kdevelop "UI Lag in 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156654
[19:11] <Riddell> thanks
[19:12] <calc> sladen: thx
[19:12] <Riddell> pitti: unresponsive UI should be SRU worthy?
[19:12] <pitti> Riddell: the changelog didn't make it sound that bad, and I didn't have other data
[19:13] <Riddell> there's no upstream bug which is a paid for paper trail
[19:14] <pitti> Riddell: ok, fair enough
[19:14] <Riddell> s/paid/pain/
[19:14] <Riddell> pitti: should I reupload with the LP bug in the changelog?
[19:15] <pitti> Riddell: too late, nevermind
[19:15] <Riddell> ok
[19:16] <pitti> oh, universe
[19:21] <pitti> norsetto: I'm through with all other SRU stuff, I could do the sponsoring now
[19:24] <liw> pitti, norsetto: oh, this is the debmirror problem? yay! getting that fixed will help my QA work (I run my mirror on Debian at the moment and it makes things slightly more complicated)
[19:24] <pitti> liw: indeed!
[19:25] <pitti> norsetto: I beautify the changelog myself now
[19:26] <pitti> liw: I'm currently calling debmirror in my feisty chroot *blush*
[19:27] <pitti> liw: looks like you are an ideal candidate to do the verification for the -proposed package then :)
[19:27] <liw> pitti, not until I get back home, but yeah
[19:46] <LaserJock> I use reprepro for mirroring
[19:47] <LaserJock> has anybody ever seen any speed comparison between different mirroring apps
[19:47] <LaserJock> or efficiency comparison
[19:47] <LaserJock> I'd think they'd all be about the same
[20:09] <StevenK> Mithrandir: So, can you have a quick dig for libosso-systemui-dbus-dev?
[20:19] <Mithrandir> StevenK: sure.  But I can't see the URL for your modest stuff
[20:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: So it would seem my memory is on crack, sorry.
[20:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I put it up, and then didn't tell you. http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/modest/
[20:23] <Mithrandir> StevenK: thank you
[20:25] <Mithrandir> StevenK: look at http://austinche.name/maemo/powerlaunch/ for info on systemui.
[20:26] <Mithrandir> and possibly what we want
[21:09] <Mithrandir> StevenK: libwpeditor-plus-dev seems to not be packaged, do you have a copy of that?
[21:10] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Yes.
[21:10] <Mithrandir> could I have, kthx?
[21:11] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Dumped into the same directory
[21:11] <StevenK> Now I'm running upstairs for some headache medication
[21:11] <Mithrandir> enjoy
[21:11] <Mithrandir> and thanks
[23:54] <davf> Where/can I d/l the latest gutsy generic kernel tree?
[23:54] <zul> kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[23:55] <davf> This is the full compiled tree in a deb?
[23:56] <spasticteapot> What's this I hear about a "tickless" kernel?