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asac@time new_york00:00
ubotuCurrent time in America/New_York: October 30 2007, 20:00:11 - Next meeting: Edubuntu Team in 11 hours 59 minutes00:00
gnomefreakmake install is ran from mozconfig?00:00
gnomefreakits about 8pm00:00
* gnomefreak on ny time00:00
Ubulette[Sun 23:56] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 35171500:00
ubotuMozilla bug 351715 in ChatZilla "Build Chatzilla as extension for suiterunner (toolkit/ style seamonkey)" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35171500:00
asacyeah ... not sure if taht the time here ... but i think it is00:00
gnomefreakit is00:00
gnomefreakyour only a few hours north of ny00:01
gnomefreakmaybe 2 states00:01
gnomefreakafaik mozconfig only worries about configuring not installing correct?00:02
gnomefreakyay house is on tonight00:02
gnomefreakbtw also -dbg package would help for seamonkey or iceape00:03
Ubuletteit's there00:04
Ubulettegnomefreak, just build with my tarball, i'll bump tomorrow00:04
Ubulettetired today00:04
gnomefreakok will try 26th as its late here as well00:06
Ubuletteremember to pull 1st00:08
gnomefreakwhy did you change the changelog back to 20071026?00:08
Ubulette?00:09
UbuletteI didn't00:09
gnomefreaki looked today and you set it to 2007102900:09
Ubulette?00:09
Ubuletteno00:09
gnomefreakunless i did but i thought i made new entry for that reason00:09
Ubulettenoway, i use the same tarball since day 100:10
gnomefreakpulling now00:10
gnomefreaklol what did you do   - update debian/seamonkey-2.0-chatzilla.install?00:11
gnomefreaki was using 119 revision00:11
Ubuletteread00:11
gnomefreakthat is in 12000:11
Ubuletteit's not the icon00:11
gnomefreakoh thats it00:12
gnomefreakcomponents/chatzilla-service.js00:12
Ubuletteyep00:12
gnomefreakyeah i know thats not icon00:12
gnomefreakill let you know in morning if it builds (it should)00:13
gnomefreakor maybe not in morning00:13
gnomefreaki have to leave here around 7am00:13
Ubuletteit should build fine00:14
Ubulette(unless you're doomed)00:14
gnomefreakalways am00:14
gnomefreak;)00:14
Ubulettebut a few things are not working for me00:14
Ubulette<Ubulette> a few things are not working in sm200:15
Ubulette<Ubulette> problem is i don't know what to expect00:15
Ubuletteno previous reference with sm200:15
Ubuletteat least the browser seems ok00:15
asacUbulette: what doesn't work?00:16
gnomefreakjust chatzilla?00:16
Ubulettechatzilla, but new tarball may improve that00:18
Ubuletteaddress book / new card failed yesterday but now it seems better, no idea why00:18
Ubulette(i just added with-places)00:18
Ubulettewallet shows errors in the console00:19
Ubuletteand other messages in there too00:19
Ubulettestill no news for my ppa quota00:22
asacUbulette: somehow our ppa guy has been off the whole day00:23
asacno idea ... maybe he is travelling here atm00:24
Ubuletteit seems google gears is open source00:27
asacnever herad of that before00:27
asacsomething that should be done by mt?00:27
Ubulettei mentioned that realier00:27
Ubuletteit is used to do offline stuff, useful for apps like gmail / google reader00:28
Ubuletteso seems good for ff and webrunner (now prism) for laptops00:29
asaclooks good00:29
asacGoogle Gears is open source software, licensed under the New BSD license.00:29
Ubulettei'm waiting for the next webrunner to update everything to prism00:30
Ubulettefeel free to do google gears, i'm not equiped to to test it anyway00:34
asacok going to eat ... maybe i will not get back ... depending on who i meet on my way :)00:36
Ubuletteenjoy00:37
Ubulettedon't end up in jail ;)00:37
Ubulettebed time for me00:38
Ubulette'night all00:38
Ubuletteasac, Firefox 2.0.0.9 Beta is available00:41
gnomefreakworking on python support for irssi atm00:46
tonyyarussognomefreak: that was a GSoC project at one point, wasn't it?00:48
Ubulettehmm, ff 2009 will be released thursday (2 days). it's short00:48
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: yes00:48
tonyyarussognomefreak: anything come out of that?00:48
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: not really there is a unmaintained irssi-python im working on00:49
gnomefreaksee -ops for more details ;)00:49
gnomefreaknight00:51
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asacsorry ... there was no chance to get my system again ... my roomate was already asleep when i came back from dinner :)13:06
asacUbulette: yeah ... i will take a look, but i don't think that we will roll updates for it.13:19
asacola14:26
Jazzvaola, asac14:27
JazzvaHow's the UDS going on :)?14:29
asacfine :) ... unfortunately i get nothing else done because of that14:29
JazzvaOh... I'm sure you'll catch up after :)...14:30
asacJazzva: so .. i guess time has come where there are plenty of oppertunity to do MOTU related stuff14:30
asaclike merges.ubuntu.com14:30
asac:)14:30
Jazzvaasac: Guess so :)...14:30
asacthere should be a bunch of low hanging fruits ... if you want to do some let me know :)14:31
JazzvaI didn't know about that site :)14:31
asacyeah ... if you do 30 merges you can probably directly become motu :)14:31
Jazzva*lol*14:31
asacwell ... maybe not if you only pick the green ones which should be fairly easy todo14:32
asacthe ones in orange might be tempting for someone like you ... who knows how to code et al :)14:32
JazzvaWell, I guess I could do a few for start :)...14:32
JazzvaMake that "try to do"14:33
JazzvaSo, I should just download the Ubuntu package, the new Debian and then to see what needs to stay and what needs to go from Ubuntu one?14:33
asacwell ... if you click on a package you get a basic instruction14:34
asacthere is also a documentation in wiki14:34
JazzvaOk, I'll take a look today :).14:34
asacgreat14:34
asacthe procedure is usually to ask the one who previously has done the merge if he is ok if you do it14:35
asacbut for now practice without asking ... most core devs are probably happy to give away merges :)14:35
asacunless they have a strong affection for some package14:35
JazzvaMhm... I see.14:37
JazzvaOk, I'm off to study a bit :). asac, I'll take a look at MoM in the evening.14:44
asacJazzva: good14:44
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Ubulettehi18:28
Ubuletteasac, why wont you/we push ff 2009 ? users usually request the last version, even if there's no real benefit.18:32
norsettoping ubulette18:33
Ubulettepong18:33
asacUbulette: updating gutsy without advisory is not within the bounds of our already pretty much bend policy for stable releases18:33
asac(our as in ubuntu ... not mt)18:34
asacits already a luxury that we are allowed to upload new upstream versions to security ... usually we just allow minimal patches to go in18:34
asac(which is sane for various reasons)18:34
norsettohi ubulette, quick one: what will it be the plugin dir for xulrunner-1.9 in hardy?18:34
Ubuletteso far, it's in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a*/plugins/18:36
asacUbulette: yeah ... but that won't work ... though we already introduced /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9-plugins/ in bzr?18:36
asacs/though/thought/18:36
Ubulettenorsetto, but it's bad to hardcode that path18:37
Ubuletteasac, i did extensions, not plugins18:37
asacah right ... we should definitly do that for plugins18:37
norsettoUbulette: well, I need a path for my links file18:37
asacnorsetto: have you tried /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins18:38
asac?18:38
norsettoasac: yes, that the "mother" home18:39
asacdoes that work? ... i think it was broken for ffox 218:39
asacbut from what i know its mozillas idea that that directory is looked at as well ...18:40
Ubulettenorsetto, what are you trying to achieve ?18:40
asacUbulette: he wants to make a plugin package work with xulrunner18:40
norsettoasac: yes, it works, I have all the .so and .xpt in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and symlinks from (for instance) /usr/lib/firefox/plugins18:40
asacnorsetto: no i ment ... does it work for firefox 3.0 to just put it into that dir?18:41
Ubulettenorsetto, do you need a hard path or is a lookup ok ?18:41
asac(which it apparently doesn't as otherwise you wouldn't complain aboutit)18:41
asacUbulette: packages alwaays need a hard path18:41
asacat least one per gecko branch imo18:42
Ubulettethen we need to patch like for extensions18:42
asacright ... so how is the extensions path called atm?18:43
Ubulettei can do that for hardy but what about gutsy ?18:43
Ubuletteasac, it's just a link in fact18:43
asacUbulette: we can do that on next update18:43
asacUbulette: not sure if we want to take latest from .dev or do that on release branch though18:44
norsettoasac: so far I have /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/ and /usr/lib/midbrowser/plugins/ and it works with firefox | iceape-browser | epiphany-browser | galeon | midbrowser18:44
Ubuletteasac, rules:  dh_link usr/lib/xulrunner-addons  $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR)/extensions18:45
asacUbulette: my idea was to use /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions and /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ ... or we could really ask plugin providers to do a wrap-extension for that18:45
Ubulettetoo bad18:45
asacUbulette: yes ... i don't question that its easy ... like just adding a link18:45
Ubuletteaddon = extension in the mozilla jargon18:45
asacUbulette: right ... i don't think we want to add a new hierarchy level18:45
asacUbulette: yes ... but plugins will be managed in addon manager in firefox 3.0 :)18:46
asacaddons = extensions + themes + langpacks + plugins18:46
Ubulettethey are already18:46
asacwhich is why i would like all in that xulrunner-addons dir18:46
Ubulettebut some will remain as of ff218:46
asacmaybe we can try to use a plugin-extension package ... for gecko-mediaplayer?18:47
norsettoasac: I'm open to any idea18:47
asacjust to see how it works? ... benjamin said the only point for not doing that would be that the new addons manager might display those twice: 1st under extensions  and 2nd under plugins ... don't know if that is a bad thing though ... and we still have plenty of time to revert that at some point18:48
asacUbulette: what do you think?18:48
Ubulettemaybe even more than twice.18:49
asacwhy?18:49
Ubulettetwice for xul and twice for ff318:49
Ubulettenot now as we don't use the two paths at once but it was the plan18:49
asacUbulette: thats what i don't undertstand ... if they share the same dir they would be only installed in xulrunner OR firefox dir18:49
asacright ... but if we share the two paths extensions should only install in ONE of the two18:50
Ubuletteso far, ff3 doesnt use the xul path as moz don't recommend it18:50
Ubulettewe may have xul addons not suitable for ff3, and vice versa18:50
asacUbulette: yeah ... the vice versa case whould already be covered properly18:51
asacthe other case i agree18:51
Ubulettevenkman & dom-inspector are suitable for ff,xul,prism,...18:51
Ubulettebut some other addons are ff3 only, or tb3 only, etc..18:52
asacUbulette: yeah ... i think its fine to not share the -addons dir18:52
asacUbulette: those shouldn't be build in xulrunner imo ... but in the application itself18:52
asacbut if we don't share the application dir we can just make the applications link to the ones they support in the xulrunner-addons dir18:53
asacok i think we agree that we don't share the addons dir, right?18:54
asacso now the question is if we want to provide a static plugins dir ... e.g. outside the pkglibdir ...which could then be used by plugins18:54
Ubulettethat's what i've done. venkman is really in xul, and ff3 just links to it18:54
asacUbulette: right ... thats good18:55
asacso do we want static plugin dirs for xul (which is then shared by all) + applications (which only host plugins suitable for a certain app)18:55
asaci think we won't have a choice unless we require plugins to be installed as plugin-extensions18:56
asacwhich sounds nice to me ... but might be overkill18:56
asacand would put a burden on plugin packagers and even upstream developers18:56
asacas we might indirectly force them to build their plugins wrapped in an extension like structure18:57
asac@time new_york18:57
ubotuCurrent time in America/New_York: October 31 2007, 14:57:54 - Next meeting: Edubuntu Team in 7 days18:57
Ubuletteif i change usr/lib/xulrunner-addons in xul to have xulrunner-addons/{extensions,plugins}, i need to update ff3. Or i just add usr/lib/xulrunner-plugins18:59
asacright18:59
asacare there any plugins in the archive already that use that place?18:59
asacotherwise we could do it for the sake of cleanness18:59
Ubuletteno global plugin so far19:00
asacs/plugins/extensions/19:00
asacok ... i would be open for both ... but we should take extra care that the upgrade path is clean ... e.g. it doesn't depend on the order the packages are unpacked on upgrade19:00
asacand we would need to add versioned depends :)19:01
asac(on xul)19:01
asac>= VERSION_WITH_NEW_ADDONS_LAYOUT19:01
asacnorsetto: ok i think the dir will most likely be /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ :)19:04
asacbut don't bet on it ;)19:04
norsettoasac: well, I can wait a while, its not that urgent19:05
asacnorsetto: ok ... maybe subscribe to firefox-3.0 and take a look what happened when next hardy upload is there19:05
norsettoasac: whats that: a ml, a bug report?19:07
asacno idea ... i think you can subscribe to a package in launchpad ... can't you?19:07
norsettoasac: never tried that19:08
asacnorsetto: then just stay tuned :)19:10
norsettoI'll keep an eye on you, don't worry ;-)19:11
gnomefreakanyone have a gun and a bullet care to put me out of my misery19:13
asacgnomefreak: didn't your court session went well?19:15
gnomefreakthat went well but this kid wont let up in #ubuntu+119:15
asacgnomefreak: well ... exit that channel19:16
asacat least until alpha 4 users don't need help if they do that19:16
gnomefreakasac: im gonna be leaving soon to get ice and some food19:16
gnomefreakhe wants to know when xorg merge from debian lenny is gonna be (you know how hard to explain that we use sid)19:17
asacwell ... say: "never"19:17
asac;)19:17
asacwithout any explanation19:17
gnomefreak:)19:18
gnomefreakim not even sure bryce gets x from debian19:18
gnomefreakhe might take parts of iut19:18
gnomefreakwe were going to keep same version of X in gutsy that was in feisty but with bulletproofx and some other options19:19
gnomefreakbut in the end he upgraded it19:19
gnomefreakok ill bbs if i dont leave now i never will :(19:20
Ubulettegnomefreak, did you succeed yesterday with sm2 ?19:29
humehi... I have a question about thunderbird: after upgrade to gutsy, the button for choosing to view only messages with a certain label (important, for instance) is no longer there - how can I do this now?19:35
humetags, i think they are called in english, not labels19:36
asachume: good question ... i have no access to my imap server here so i cannot try ... maybe there is a choice box on top of the mail list19:46
asac?19:46
Ubuletteseamonkey 1.1.6-beta to review19:47
asacfor me?19:48
asacoh ... another session ... be back in one hour or so19:48
Ubulettewell, you or gnomefreak19:48
Ubulettesame vein as ff 200919:49
Ubulettemozilla bug 39450220:41
ubotuMozilla bug 394502 in Build Config "make SeaMonkey build with libxul" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39450220:41
Ubulettemozilla bug 26304220:42
ubotuMozilla bug 263042 in Autocomplete "Ship both autocomplete impls with the new-toolkit (<textbox type="autocomplete-xpfe">) to aid transition, #ifdef-hell" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26304220:42
humeasac, back again20:45
humean hour later... no I find no choice box....20:46
Ubulettehmm, I just removed 10 kernels from my last gutsy box, freed 2 gigs :)21:05
JazzvaHmm... maybe I should do that... I haven't done it ... well, since my first install :)21:07
JazzvaHmm... no, it seems they're not really present :)21:07
JazzvaNo... they are21:08
Ubulettei just keep the last two, that's enough21:09
JazzvaYeah, I agree...21:09
gnomefreakUbulette_: yes it built and works for most part i have to test mail and composer still and chatzilla22:17
gnomefreakasac: the nobinonly script is done inside the orig.tar right? yesterday it looked like you meant in upstream source tarball22:17
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gnomefreaki will be working on it tomorrow, today has been a fairly rough day22:18
Ubulettegnomefreak, i've updated with today's sources and updated chazilla but it's still not there22:18
gnomefreakyou are getting same error?22:19
gnomefreakis taht what you mean22:19
Ubuletteno22:19
Ubulettea patch landed 3 days ago making chatzilla an extension22:19
gnomefreakwhat do you mean its not there?22:19
gnomefreakhmmmm22:20
Ubulettei fixed my branch to accomodate22:20
gnomefreakso chatzilla was removed from source?22:20
gnomefreaklike we hoped?22:20
Ubuletteyet, i can't find chatzilla registered anywhere22:20
Ubuletteno22:20
gnomefreakoh22:20
Ubuletteit's still in source but as an extension like venkman and dom22:20
gnomefreakill spin todays over night again than22:21
gnomefreakah22:21
UbuletteI haven't pushed my branch so far as i'm trying to see what's wrong22:21
gnomefreakits not FTBFS?22:22
* gnomefreak not sure what you mean whats wrong22:22
Ubuletteproblem is an unrelated nasty bug landed in xul (ie the core) so difficult to see what is causing what22:22
gnomefreakbug in xul1.822:23
Ubuletteno 1.922:23
gnomefreakwe dont build with 1.922:23
Ubulettelol22:23
Ubulettesm2 is trunk so it's using gecko 1.922:23
gnomefreakafaik it wasnt ready and you disabled it in rules22:23
gnomefreakrules is atleast one place its mentioned22:23
Ubuletteeven if it's not yet the external libxul, it's still 1.922:24
gnomefreakbut wouldnt that be gecko 1.9 as apposed to xul1.9?22:24
gnomefreakopposed22:24
Ubulettesame thing22:25
gnomefreakafaik they follow eachother but are differnet22:25
gnomefreakif you build with external libxul it would make rendering engine use xul if not its still using gecko no?22:26
gnomefreaklet me know when you push changes22:36
Ubulettehttp://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sm2-bad.png22:40
gnomefreakwhats with all the uncaght bounces :(22:40
gnomefreakhmmmm22:41
gnomefreakagain with chrome issues22:41
gnomefreaki would say unless its the new patch than source might not be finished making the change?22:42
Ubulettethey said it's done, except lang pack22:45
UbuletteMozilla bug 35171522:45
ubotuMozilla bug 351715 in ChatZilla "Build Chatzilla as extension for suiterunner (toolkit/ style seamonkey)" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35171522:45
Ubulettepushed22:47
Ubuletterev12322:47
gnomefreakdebian bug 44811722:47
gnomefreakwhy no reply :(22:48
gnomefreakdebian 44811722:48
Ubulettei've pushed it to my ppa for hardy22:55
Ubulettegnomefreak, the 3 chrome errors doesn't matter23:05
Ubulettewallet will soon be dropped23:05
Ubuletteand chatzilla locale are not yet moved out23:05
gnomefreakah ok23:07
Ubulettebut the xml parsing error is not good23:08
gnomefreaktrue but ive seeen that on firefox durin the 1.x and early 2.x series iirc but maybe differnet code errors23:13
gnomefreakbluekuja: did you get a chance to push iceape to hardy yet?23:28
Ubulettegnomefreak, you're not allowed to do it yourself ?23:29
* Ubulette is puzzled23:29
gnomefreaknope not muto yet thats why i build seamonkey and such for experience23:30
Ubulettei don't know who's who/what in here23:30
* gnomefreak is no dev atm im working on motu membership if i build and get error i get experience in what error is what ect..23:31
gnomefreakmaybe by mid hardy devel ill apply23:31
Ubulettewhat are the requirements ?23:31
gnomefreakUbulette: hold on ill see if i can find page23:32
gnomefreakexperience in packaging is about it23:32
gnomefreakmerges are good to have someone who has uploaded your packages to ubuntu from revu or from a sponser23:33
Ubulettethat's just it ??23:33
gnomefreakthings like that23:33
gnomefreakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers23:34
gnomefreakhelps to have contact with motus and normally have a good repor with a tb member isnt bad either23:35
gnomefreak:)23:35
Ubulettetb member ?23:36
gnomefreakTB23:36
gnomefreaktech board23:36
gnomefreakthey decide if you become motu or not23:36
gnomefreakdone for the night, ill work on iceowl/sunbird through the weekend should have ready early next week23:44

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