[00:15] <therethinker> I don't think I did my cronjob correctly...
[00:16] <therethinker> Do I need to reset cron or something>
[00:18] <solarbaby> what are you doing with cron? did you type crontab -e
[00:20] <solarbaby> directhex: thanks for the push in the right direction.. its working now
[00:21] <directhex> solarbaby, it's a generic os problem. i had it lots with windows
[00:40] <solarbaby> directhex: heres the hard part.. enabling tv out on my dell latitude 610
[00:59] <tazgodx> so whats better installing the RC i already have D/Led? or should i d/l the final?
[01:07] <solarbaby> There both pretty good :)  I'm using Final and I love it
[01:07] <solarbaby> Im betting there are more bug fixes in final so i'd go for that
[01:08] <directhex> the point of a real distro is to make updates easy
[01:09] <directhex> there's no difference between an installed rc updated, and an installed release version - the only differences lie in the installer itself
[01:09] <directhex> whether those installer issues are blockers for you, that's another matter
[01:12] <solarbaby> directhex: I dont think getting TV out is going to be as easy
[01:12] <directhex> meh. anyway, bedtime
[01:12] <solarbaby> directhex: G'night
[01:47] <levander> What's this at the end of the mythbuntu installation about needing to pay "Schedules Direct" a nominal fee to get guide data?
[01:47] <levander> I thought people just filled out some survey periodically, and got guide data for free?
[01:48] <tgm4883> levander, that went away this year
[01:48] <levander> Do people not in N. America get free guide data?
[01:48] <tgm4883> kinda
[01:49] <tgm4883> some just get it a different route
[01:49] <levander> damn
[01:49] <tgm4883> ie, EIT data
[01:49] <tgm4883> seriously though, it's $20 a year and a really good service
[01:50] <levander> Well, if I don't set up a guide data source during installation, I'm not gonna mess things up am I?  I don't even know if I'm gonna use MythTV regular yet.
[01:51] <tgm4883> well you would set it up in mythtv-setup, at the end of installation its just a link to their web site
[01:51] <tgm4883> and they also offer a 7 day trial
[01:51] <levander> I can't just set up mythbuntu without creating the trial account?  I just want to make sure the hardware works.
[01:52] <levander> This Schedules Direct claims to be non-profit, but $20/year, I'd be surprised if they weren't making some profit off that.
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> yea you can set it up without setting up a data source
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> and be surprised
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> cause they have all the non profit forms and such
[01:54] <levander> be surprised at what?
 This Schedules Direct claims to be non-profit, but $20/year, I'd be surprised if they weren't making some profit off that.
[01:55] <levander> You think just cause you tell the government that you're not making any money means that you're really not making any money?
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> look, im not going to get into an argument about this on here cause it's irrevelant
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> but things do cost money
[01:56] <levander> They're sending you cash in the back door aren't they tgm?
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> whats your problem?
[01:56] <levander> problem?
[01:57] <levander> I don't know, what's the problem?
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> if you want the service great.  If not fine by me.  If they are making money on it, good for them, I don't really care
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> they offer a service, im happy to pay for it
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> it's the things that they have done that (like lowering the price) that shows me they are not in it to make a profit
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> screw it, im going to go watch basketball
[01:59] <tazgodx> tgm4883_laptop: ever get MRE working?
[02:00] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, no i haven't worked on it since that one night.  Foxbuntu said he was going to look at it, but I haven't checked back with him
[02:00] <tazgodx> haha
[02:00] <tazgodx> k
[02:21] <levander> I have no idea what most of the text boxes are for at the end of the mythbuntu setup process, during the mythtv setup.  If I don't know what it is, is it probably okay just to accept the defaults?
[02:23] <rhpot1991> I think I might need to look into toning down my bitrate a bit
[02:23] <rhpot1991> these files are too big to backup anywhere
[02:23] <rhpot1991> and its taking foreverrrrr to compress them
[02:24] <buzztu> Can I use a laptop with a radeon Mobility 7500 with tv out as a frontend?
[02:24] <rhpot1991> I'd imagine so
[02:25] <rhpot1991> so long as you can get tv out working
[02:26] <keescook> superm1: lirc uploaded.  :)  thanks for fixing the lintian bits.
[02:26] <superm1> no prob.  thanks for the upload
[02:27] <superm1> i expect the future ones will be much more crack filled, and need a more in depth look :)
[02:27] <superm1> whenever i get around to sorting out a good idea for multiple devices without hal and udev support
[02:27] <rhpot1991> what exactly does the dynamic button mappings in MCC do?
[02:28] <rhpot1991> I decided to mess around with it last night while I was helping someone set up lirc
[02:28] <superm1> rhpot1991, it reads all the buttons in lircd.conf and attempts to map them to lircrc actions
[02:28] <rhpot1991> and if you don't check that it does what instead?
[02:28] <rhpot1991> just ignores them?
[02:29] <keescook> superm1: hehe.  yay crack :)
[02:30] <superm1> rhpot1991, if you dont check the box, it doesnt generate new ones
[02:30] <superm1> it uses existing ones if they are there
[02:31] <rhpot1991> well what happens if no lircrc exists, it will make one or not?
[02:31] <superm1> if the box isn't checked it will not make one
[02:31] <rhpot1991> ah ok, that answers it
[02:33] <rhpot1991> anyone with a hauppauge card, if so what do you have your bitrates set at?
[02:41] <frank23> rhpot1991: I just left it at the defaults
[02:41] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, 9000
[02:42] <rhpot1991> hey, I have mine at 9000, 12000max
[02:42] <superm1> who was that guy having trouble with the pv5-350 yesterday?
[02:42] <superm1> or pvr-350
[02:42] <tgm4883_laptop> 720x480
[02:42] <rhpot1991> pirture is real nice
[02:42] <superm1> started with a p
[02:42] <rhpot1991> ya same resolution too
[02:42] <rhpot1991> but its 4gb per hour
[02:42] <tgm4883_laptop> I do mine at 9000/9000 cause thats the max DVD spec
[02:42] <rhpot1991> superm1 I think there were 2 different people
[02:42] <rhpot1991> one who couldn't get tv out working
[02:43] <superm1> yeah the tv out guy
[02:43] <superm1> i have a fix for him to try
[02:43] <superm1> on my ppa
[02:43] <rhpot1991> one who was a newbie and was going through setup
[02:43] <rhpot1991> its off my screen, can't see
[02:43] <rhpot1991> any kind of logging happen in here?
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop> !LOGS
[02:44] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[02:44] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: do you go ahead an encode them at any time or do you leave them lay around as huge mpeg2 files?
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop> mpeg2
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop> but mine are only about 2.7 per hour
[02:45] <rhpot1991> prob cause my max is higher
[02:46] <rhpot1991> I need to get a dvd burner into this so I can mess around with archiving
[02:46] <rhpot1991> for some reason I left a burner in the slave backend and never put one into the master...
[03:06] <solarbaby> (Singing) What a Difference a Delayed Bowel Movement Makes!!
[03:07] <solarbaby> I feel much better now
[03:09] <dwf_starband> but did you weigh yourself before and after?
[03:10] <solarbaby> I really should have
[03:11] <solarbaby> 2 flushes :)
[03:11] <solarbaby> I think the trick is to stay away from that cerial with high fiber
[03:12] <dwf_starband> or eat whatever you want as long as you have an equal portion of cheese
[03:12] <dwf_starband> thats how i do it anyways
[03:13] <solarbaby> thats not a bad idea
[03:14] <dwf_starband> if too stuffed up, drink more coffee
[03:14] <dwf_starband> if to regular, eat more cheese
[03:14] <dwf_starband> untill its just righ
[03:14] <dwf_starband> right
[03:14] <solarbaby> heheh
[03:14] <solarbaby> sounds like words to live by
[03:15] <dwf_starband> and I can honestly say i eat a ballanced diet
[03:42] <levander> If I only have dual 550 MHz CPU's, should I not check "Start Auto-Commercial Flagging jobs when the recording starts"?
[03:43] <solarbaby> try it and see
[03:43] <solarbaby> honestly thats about the best advice I can offer..
[03:43] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of tuners
[03:44] <solarbaby> tmg4883_l: your so technical
[03:44] <levander> wintv pvr 500 (i think 500, i can check), but it's the one with dual tuners
[03:44] <levander> it has hardware mpeg encoders
[03:44] <levander> for each tuner
[03:45] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:46] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i'd test it out.  You're going to want to watch a show at the same time.  That will create the most load
[03:47] <levander> I have two CPU's, so I assume the commercial flagging would happen on one CPU, and the decoding the other channel would happen on the other CPU?
[03:47] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd hope so
[03:47] <frank23> levander: the commercial flagging is no that cpu intensive. My guess is that you would be ok
[03:48] <levander> cool, i'll test it
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> actually
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, the commercial flagging is very CPU intensive
[03:49] <frank23> oh...
[03:51] <levander> If I have 2 CPU's, I'd want "Maximum simulataneous jobs on this backend" to be 2, and not 1, correct?
[03:51] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd say 1 for that
[03:51] <levander> frank23: my *guess* is that it would be, processing video is always processor intensive.
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> because you do have 2 processors, but 1 should be doing the commflagging
[03:52] <solarbaby> Im starting to wonder if getting TV out to work on this old dell laptop will be more trouble then its worth
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> while the other will be used for playing video and such
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> in a perfect world anyway
[03:52] <frank23> levander: you can try. but I rarely watch recordings that are currently being recorded anyways.
[03:52] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: What if I want to record 2 shows at once?  With the backend max jobs set to 1, am I going to be able to record both?
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, because recording a program isn't considered a job
[03:53] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: okay, thanks
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> mine is set to 1, and I record 2 shows at once on the same backend
[03:53] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: what is a "job"?
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> there are a few
[03:54] <levander> just gimme an example to get my head around it
[03:54] <dwf_starband> converting the video to xvid to play on my handheld
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> basically it's the things that they have set as jobs.  commflagging is a job, so is transcoding
[03:54] <levander> ah, okay, thanks guys
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> and I believe you can also set 4 manual jobs
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> ie, scripts to run
[03:55] <levander> so, with a dual cpu, yall are saying to only run one job at a time, reserving the other CPU for whatever else Myth does?
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[03:55] <levander> cool
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> only because it's only a 550
[03:56] <tgm4883_laptop> if you had something in the multi GHZ range I would change my thoughts on that
[03:57] <dwf_starband> if I have it set for 2 jobs, say a show finishes recording, the commflagging is one and converting to xvid would be another, but if they go at the same time will the xvid have the commercials still in it?
[03:59] <tgm4883_laptop> dwf_starband, IDK, I would hope that in that instance there would be some checking.  Perhaps 2 jobs cannot be ran on the same show at once
[04:02] <dwf_starband> i havent tried it since installing mythbuntu, but when i was playing around with my own install of mythtv i tried it and the xvid had the first couple of commercials and then no more, probably the commercial flagging went faster thant the transcoding, im not sure, but thats what it seemed like
[04:35] <[R]> when installing mythbuntu... what exaltly does setting the "type of system" do... ?
[04:35] <solarbaby> Anyone got TV out working on a Dell Latitude?  its becoming more of a pain then I orginally thought it would be
[04:35] <superm1> [R], its all described in the PDF on the website
[04:36] <solarbaby> Do you mean system roll?
[04:36] <[R]> yeah
[04:36] <[R]> that one
[04:36] <solarbaby> or System Roles as they put it
[04:37] <solarbaby> superm1 is right if you dont understand that you need to read up on it..  basicly if you want the record stuff with the computer your installing this too.. then it must be a back end.. most likely it'll become your master backend, and if you also wanna play what you record using that computer then it must also be a frontend
[04:37] <solarbaby> and its all really well documented.. dont skip reading the installation instructions or you'll have a bad week
[04:39]  * solarbaby grins at Superm1
[04:39] <superm1> thanks solarbaby :)
[04:39] <solarbaby> "don't skip reading the installation instructions or you'll have a bad week" should become our bumper sticker
[04:40] <R_> did you see the last thing i said?
 when installing mythbuntu... what exaltly does setting the "type of system" do... ?
 that one
[04:41] <superm1> is what i saw
[04:41] <R_> i understand how myth works... i just want to know what the setting actually does... is it just what gets installed? or is there more to it
[04:41] <superm1> R_, so you are looking for very technical details?
[04:41] <superm1> i mean i can lead you through the code
[04:42] <superm1> the high level changes are what packages get installed though yes
[04:42] <[R]> ah
[04:42] <[R]> where can i d/l the code for the installer?
[04:42] <superm1> there is a bzr branch on launchpad
[04:43] <superm1> or you can apt-get source ubiquity
[04:43] <superm1> we're part of the normal ubiquity branch
[04:43] <bronson> superm1: sorry I haven't had much of a chance to look at the Hauppauge Gray / PVR 350 remote problem.
[04:43] <bronson> I did run irw -- it gets everything 100% correct.
[04:43] <superm1> bronson, with lircrc mappings?
[04:43] <rhpot1991> someone had a problem with the lircrc mappings last night
[04:44] <bronson> ~/.lircrc?
[04:44] <superm1> yeah
[04:44] <bronson> Probably...  It's a pretty complex file.
[04:44] <rhpot1991> he was claiming most of the buttons didn't do anything
[04:44] <bronson> rhpot1991: that's my problem too.
[04:44] <[R]> superm1: nice, thanks
[04:44] <rhpot1991> I ended up giving him my lircrc and walked him through installing it
[04:44] <bronson> Volume+/- work, just about everything else is broken.
[04:44] <superm1> [R], i'll warn you its fairly complex before you get into it
[04:44] <rhpot1991> bronson: http://www.baablogic.net/lircrc
[04:45] <rhpot1991> feel free to use that
[04:45] <superm1> [R], are you looking to adapt similar things?
[04:45] <[R]> no
[04:45] <[R]> just curious whats going on
[04:45] <superm1> just curious?
[04:45] <superm1> ah
[04:45] <bronson> rhpot1991: did you produce that by hand?
[04:45] <rhpot1991> nope, got it from either the mythtv wiki or ubuntu wiki
[04:45] <[R]> i think its easier to hack on mythbuntu intead of a regular ubuntu
[04:45]  * bronson gives it a whirl...
[04:45] <rhpot1991> a few months back
[04:46] <superm1> [R], in what sense?
[04:46] <rhpot1991> just back up your old one
[04:46] <rhpot1991> incase you want to roll back
[04:46] <rhpot1991> MCC seemed to be creating a .lircrc and a .mythtv/lircrc (that or the guy screwed his install up last night)
[04:46] <rhpot1991> I normally just symlink all my users to the same one
[04:46] <[R]> superm1: i have a myth system setup right now very specifically... and i'm looking to siwtch to ubuntu, and mythbuntu looks like a better starting point then ubuntu
[04:47] <superm1> [R], yes i would most definitely agree there.
[04:47] <bronson> rhpot1991: so I can roll back to something that doesn't really work at all?  ;)
[04:47] <[R]> i just dont really have a lot of ubuntu experience... no better time to learn
[04:47] <rhpot1991> heh, better than rolling back to nothing
[04:47] <rhpot1991> backup first, ask questions later
[04:47] <superm1> [R], most people learn "after" install when they get curious
[04:47] <rhpot1991> I've been real sad about doing it the other way around in the past
[04:47] <superm1> bit of an oddball there
[04:48] <bronson> Do I need to hup anything?
[04:48] <[R]> hehe... well i want to make sure the options i select in the installer are the best for what i need to do
[04:48] <rhpot1991> hup?
[04:48] <bronson> kill -hup, tell a daemon to reload its config.
[04:48] <rhpot1991> nah shouldn't
[04:48] <superm1> [R], they are all reconfigurable post install
[04:48] <superm1> via mcc
[04:48] <rhpot1991> just drop it in your user's home
[04:49] <bronson> OK, giving it a shot...  back in a bit.
[04:49] <rhpot1991> alright
[04:49] <rhpot1991> good luck
[04:49] <[R]> well the main thing i erally wanted to know was the roles thing... but if it just controls what gets installed, thats pretty much all i need for now
[04:50] <solarbaby> UbuntuMyth is the easiest install ever, unless your hardware isn't supported
[04:51] <superm1> [R], well in general yes that's what it does, but it has a few preconfigured items that get handled in the installer too
[04:51] <[R]> well guess i should get greppin'
[04:52] <superm1> do you have some particular items you're lookign to see what happens?
[04:52] <superm1> or just general curiosity?
[04:53] <solarbaby> I wanna watch Bill Gates install UbuntuMyth
[04:53] <[R]> mostly the roles... but thats all i remember
[04:53] <[R]> i installed it last night and dont remember evertything
[04:58] <rhpot1991> hmmm I think I have pinpointed this sata speed problem to ubuntu
[04:58] <rhpot1991> doesn't happen in knoppix
[04:58] <bronson> Hm...  better.  At least more keys respond now.
[04:59] <bronson> But it's still all messed up.
[04:59] <rhpot1991> what is messed up?
[04:59] <rhpot1991> prob gonna have to hack keys yourself to get them how you want it
[04:59] <bronson> What the keys do.  Volume up/down seem to change how fast the video is played back.
[05:00] <bronson> Back/Exit doesn't back or exit out of anything.
[05:00] <rhpot1991> strange
[05:00] <bronson> Yep.
[05:00] <rhpot1991> perhaps your lirc.conf doesn't match with mine
[05:00] <rhpot1991> fire up irw
[05:00] <bronson> I'm using yours.  :)
[05:00] <rhpot1991> hit the keys you are questioning
[05:00] <rhpot1991> well there is another file too
[05:01] <bronson> irw shows everything is correct afaitc
[05:01] <rhpot1991> then find them in lircrc
[05:01] <rhpot1991> and make sure what you want them to do is in there
[05:01] <rhpot1991> also double check and make sure that keystroke does what you think it should, maybe your keystrokes are wonky?
[05:03] <bronson> It looks like everything is correct...  I hit Back/Exit, irw reports that I hit "000000000000179f 01 Back/Exit Hauppauge_350", and your .lircrc turns Back/Exit into Esc.
[05:03] <bronson> But when I hit Back/Exit in MythTV, nothing happens.
[05:03] <bronson> Esc works of course.
[05:03] <rhpot1991> hmmm
[05:04] <rhpot1991> did you make a symlink to ./mythv/lircrc?
[05:04] <rhpot1991> lag brb
[05:04] <bronson> Nope!
[05:04] <rhpot1991> do that, link the file you downloaded to there
[05:04] <bronson> ~/mythtv/lircrc is a regular file.  Should it be a symlink?
[05:04] <bronson> OK.
[05:04] <rhpot1991> back her up first :)
[05:05] <bronson> Trying again...
[05:07] <bronson> Well, that works better.
[05:07] <bronson> Back/Exit works now.
[05:07] <bronson> Guide doesn't bring up anything though.
[05:08] <bronson> And it's really weird: if I hit any button at all, video playback stops for a second, then goes really fast to catch up.
[05:08] <bronson> It looks really weird when adjusting the volume.
[05:08] <bronson> Is that normal?
[05:09] <rhpot1991> it would be real nice if comcast would stop f*cking with my connectiong every night
[05:10] <bronson> comcast drove me batty.  Every night right at midnight, a 20 minute outage.
[05:11] <rhpot1991> seriously
[05:11] <rhpot1991> let me check mine
[05:11] <rhpot1991> I know the guide worked when I generated the dynamic buttons with MCC
[05:11] <rhpot1991> but back/exit was delete
[05:12] <bronson> Do you get the long pause whenever you hit a button on the remote?
[05:13] <rhpot1991> sometimes it gets laggy
[05:13] <rhpot1991> hmmm, I broke something
[05:14] <bronson> I guess I'm not a fan of lirc...  too complex for what it does.
[05:15] <bronson> Why not just let the kernel take care of keymapping?
[05:15] <rhpot1991> I wonder if MCC overwrote my lircd.conf
[05:16] <bronson> I can send you a copy.  ;)
[05:17] <rhpot1991> give me a few minutes to finish something else up then I'll have a look
[05:23] <solarbaby> is anyone besides me foolish enough to run Myth on a Dell Latitude?
[05:24] <solarbaby> All i really wanted was the TV ability..  and thats the only thing thats making me angry
[05:26] <JThundley> heh
[05:26] <bronson> no, but a few years ago I tried running myth on a Via Epia M10000...  Now THAT was foolish.
[05:26] <rhpot1991> is that a c3?
[05:26] <bronson> Ya, I think so.
[05:27] <rhpot1991> why so foolish?
[05:27] <rhpot1991> I still poke at them every now and then thinking how it would make an awesome frontend
[05:27] <bronson> Because Via never fixed the DMA issues.  Watch TV for 45 mins, freeze, wait for the box to reboot...
[05:28] <rhpot1991> sucky
[05:28] <bronson> It would be great hardware if Via would ever finish the software.
[05:28] <rhpot1991> http://www.woot.com/
[05:29] <rhpot1991> ya, guide doesn't work with that lircrc that I pasted you
[05:29] <rhpot1991> but back/exit does
[05:29] <rhpot1991> copy that
[05:29] <rhpot1991> generate a new one with MCC (check the dynamic generate box)
[05:29] <rhpot1991> then mix and match buttons
[05:29] <rhpot1991> guide works in the MCC version
[05:29] <bronson> What does woot charge for shipping?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> $5 flat IIRC
[05:30] <rhpot1991> $7.99 + $5 shipping
[05:30] <bronson> huh.  Good thing I'm out of USB ports.  :)
[05:30] <rhpot1991> I'm searching for linux compatability
[05:30] <rhpot1991> would be a cool thing to hook up to my mythboxes
[05:33] <BHSPitMonkey> hi all
[05:34] <rhpot1991> whats up?
[05:34] <bronson> Hm, yeah...  if it works with mythphone, that might be slick.
[05:34] <rhpot1991> google doesn't seem to indicate that it will play nice with linux
[05:38] <rhpot1991> I'll have to check the comments in the morning and see what is said about it
[05:41] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, there is a pretty awesome wifi phone for skype out there much better than usb
[05:41] <rhpot1991> got a link?
[05:42] <rhpot1991> I wasn't really looking for one, but woot's price caught my eye
[05:42] <foxbuntu> uh hold on
[05:42] <rhpot1991> skype isn't completely free apparently
[05:42] <foxbuntu> http://tools.netgear.com/skype/
[05:42] <bronson> rhpot1991: heck no.  It's very closed.
[05:43] <rhpot1991> well price wise either
[05:43] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, no if you want to place calls to landlines/cell phones you have to pay
[05:43] <rhpot1991> gotta pay to make outgoing
[05:43] <bronson> huh??  I use skype for free.
[05:43] <rhpot1991> well outgoing to landlines/cell
[05:43] <bronson> Oh, right.
[05:43] <rhpot1991> incoming is free, and to other skype is free
[05:43] <rhpot1991> anything completely free out there thats worth while?
[05:43] <foxbuntu> its 24.99/yr for unlimited in the US
[05:43] <bronson> Ya, there isn't much that terminates to the phone system for cheap.
[05:43] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu that phone is pretty cool
[05:44] <bronson> The telcos make sure of that.
[05:44] <rhpot1991> not sure its $120 worth of cool though
[05:44] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, yeah, I am actually considering getting one soon
[05:44] <foxbuntu> you can get them cheaper elsewhere
[05:44] <bronson> I think I saw one that terminates to 1-800 numbers for free; I can look if you want.
[05:44] <rhpot1991> nah no need
[05:44] <rhpot1991> I just use a cell phone currently
[05:44] <rhpot1991> no land line at all
[05:44] <bronson> Ya, me too.
[05:45] <rhpot1991> skype phone sitting here might not be such a bad idea though
[05:45] <bronson> Sure is nice...
[05:45] <bronson> Until you have an earthquake like tonight and the lines are all jammed.
[05:45] <bronson> Doesn't take much to knock cell service out apparently.
[05:45] <rhpot1991> where was there an earthquake?
[05:45] <bronson> Erm...  Hayward I think?  San Jose?
[05:45] <bronson> We felt it in SF.
[05:45] <rhpot1991> hmmm, I was unaware of that
[05:46] <rhpot1991> turned my tv off after house was over
[05:46] <bronson> Not big, like 5.6.
[05:46] <rhpot1991> I see it for $88
[05:46] <rhpot1991> from some random shop on google products
[05:46] <foxbuntu> yea
[05:47] <rhpot1991> newegg price isn't too bad
[05:47] <rhpot1991> $50 MR now
[05:47] <foxbuntu> yup
[05:47] <rhpot1991> I'm tempted to nabb that one off of woot to mess with though
[05:47] <rhpot1991> for $12
[05:52] <rhpot1991> one of these days I am going to resist breaking things at 1:30
[05:55] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, naw...that would remove the fun
[05:55] <rhpot1991> I've been messing with hd speeds
[05:55] <BHSPitMonkey> rhpot1991, you can spend that much on one from the store
[05:56] <rhpot1991> and for no rhyme or reason I have some slow ones under different scenereos
[05:57] <rhpot1991> BHSPitMonkey which stores?
[05:57] <rhpot1991> one box here, runs ~40MBS until I plug a 2nd drive in, then they both run 20
[05:57] <rhpot1991> but that 2nd drive runs ~40 in another box
[05:57] <BHSPitMonkey> rhpot1991, try fry's?
[05:57] <rhpot1991> shouldn't be power, cause I unhooked the cd roms
[05:58] <rhpot1991> I don't have a fry's around me
[05:58] <rhpot1991> just checked CC and BB
[05:58] <rhpot1991> neither have anything (online at least)
[05:58] <BHSPitMonkey> they had them at the Radio Shack warehouse place near where I live
[05:58] <BHSPitMonkey> though I don't know exactly how one finds those places
[05:58] <BHSPitMonkey> they're awesome though
[05:59] <BHSPitMonkey> got a programmable (STAMP) robot for $15
[05:59] <BHSPitMonkey> with light sensors and speakers and what not
[06:01] <rhpot1991> nice
[06:10] <solarbaby> I believe TV out on my Dell is hopeless at this point..  blah
[06:12] <solarbaby> pisses me off when Howtos work for other people and not me.. hehe
[06:12] <rhpot1991> different version of the driver?
[06:13] <rhpot1991> you had some ATI mobile or something right?
[06:14]  * rhpot1991 is ready to kill someone
[06:14] <solarbaby> Yeah.. Dell Latitude C610
[06:14] <rhpot1991> we can take this out on dell together
[06:14]  * rhpot1991 is fighting with a dell box now
[06:14] <solarbaby> hehehe
[06:15] <rhpot1991> thing wont run IDE drives at full speed if they are on the same cable
[06:15] <solarbaby> this laptop was great with GBPVR..  but a real insane bitch with linux
[06:15] <solarbaby> oh yeah I remember you having that problem..
[06:15] <solarbaby> yuck
[06:15] <rhpot1991> welcome to ati linux drivers
[06:16] <rhpot1991> my ati card is sitting in a drawer now
[06:16] <rhpot1991> I got fed up with it and just replaced it
[06:16] <solarbaby> mine is part of the laptop..  im stuck with it
[06:16] <solarbaby> Im almost ready to switch distros to see if that helps
[06:16] <rhpot1991> I have a strange occurance where my SATA1 port in anothe box wont top 40MBS, but the SATA2 is constantly at 60MBS, even if I swap drives/cables/etc
[06:16] <solarbaby> it'd be a damn shame though UbuntuMyth is sweet..  but I must have video out
[06:17] <rhpot1991> you try the ubuntu forums for help yet?
[06:17] <solarbaby> yeah.. their howtos helped others but its not helping me
[06:17] <rhpot1991> I'd try posting some in there
[06:18] <rhpot1991> were the howtos for gutsy?
[06:18] <rhpot1991> or feisty
[06:19] <solarbaby> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-219336.html
[06:20] <rhpot1991> thats a bit old
[06:20] <solarbaby> true..
[06:20] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=138
[06:20] <rhpot1991> I'd go post a new one there
[06:24] <bronson> rhpot1991: How do you use MCC to generate the mappings?
[06:25] <bronson> I see a checkbox that says Generate Dynamic Mappings but nothing seems to happen if I check it...?
[06:26] <rhpot1991> you do that then click apply
[06:26] <rhpot1991> and it will overwrite your file
[06:26] <rhpot1991> but only if it has permissions to
[06:26] <rhpot1991> chmod your lircrc if its not doing anything
[06:26] <bronson> overwrite it...  with what?
[06:26] <rhpot1991> a new one that it makes up
[06:26] <rhpot1991> apparently
[06:26] <bronson> o_O
[06:27] <rhpot1991> I'm still going with my configuration that I made before MCC existed
[06:27] <rhpot1991> so I'm not all that familiar with it
[06:28] <bronson> Owell, I'm going to have to mess with it another night.  Outa time.
[06:28] <bronson> rhpot1991: thanks for your help.
[06:28] <rhpot1991> sure thing
[06:28] <rhpot1991> maybe some day I'll get the rest of the buttons working when I am done breaking things
[06:28] <bronson> Myth sez: Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'
[06:29] <bronson> Hm, wonder if I should install cdrecord...
[06:29] <bronson> Interesting that mythbuntu doesn't do that automatically.
[06:42] <BHSPitMonkey> so...  is anyone here familiar with linuxmce?  I'm trying to see how much functionality is missing, going from it to mythbuntu.
[06:42] <BHSPitMonkey> I know you lose the home automation stuff, but I'm not concerned with any of that...
[06:45] <solarbaby> I get excited everytime I turn my laptop off and on and the tv screen flickers.. too bad thats all I ever get
[06:45] <solarbaby> heh
[06:47] <BHSPitMonkey> is mythbuntu's functionality identical to mythtv's?  Or is there anything else of note?
[06:47] <bronson> Possible solution to my remote issues: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers
[06:48] <bronson> Seems to work pretty well!  Not laggy like lirc, and much better autorepeat.
[06:48] <bronson> I'll have to see if I can configure all the buttons.
[06:48] <BHSPitMonkey> Anybody?  :(
[06:48] <bronson> BHSPitMonkey: afaik, it's mostly MythTV.
[06:49] <solarbaby> MythBuntu is MythTV, just really easty to install
[06:49] <bronson> It's just very highly integrated, easy to set up and use.
[06:49] <BHSPitMonkey> is it on top of gnome or kde?  or neither?
[06:49] <bronson> BHSPitMonkey: neither, though Myth uses Qt.
[06:49] <BHSPitMonkey> ah.
[06:49] <bronson> Actually, I think it's on Xubuntu, but the XFCE stuff will get less and less over time...?
[06:49] <bronson> Hazy memory.  :)
[06:50] <bronson> Time for bed, goodnight all.
[06:50] <solarbaby> Gnight
[06:50] <BHSPitMonkey> how likely is it that mythbuntu will detect my tvout without persuasion?
[06:50] <solarbaby> not likely in my opinion
[06:50] <solarbaby> then again I've been struggling all day long to make my TV out
[06:50] <solarbaby> work
[06:50] <solarbaby> and im feeling pissy
[06:51] <BHSPitMonkey> that would explain the dissenting opinion
[06:51] <solarbaby> yeah..  but then again I've got an older Dell Latitiude laptop
[06:51] <solarbaby> some hardware is very nicely supported
[06:52] <solarbaby> the goal is that Mythbuntu should only take about 30 min to install, i'd give it a shot
[07:03] <solarbaby> I give up
[07:04] <solarbaby> I guess its simply not worth it
[07:08] <JThundley> anyone else have the problem where you can't limit ktorrent's upload rate?
[11:54] <mrynit> i have comcast digital cable and have to use a cable box. to change channels i have to use a remote that changes the channel thru the box. can mythtv change channels with out having to use the remote?
[11:59] <directhex|work> depends on the box. typically, you'd use an "ir blaster", which is a serial or usb-connected "remote emulator"
[11:59] <directhex|work> i.e. it sends the remote control codes to change channel via an IR LED
[12:29] <mrynit> how hard is that to get working?  can i view tv thru the mythtv interface becuase wouldnt the ir blaster  block normal use of the remote. i would image that the blaster would physicaly ovet the ir reciever
[12:31] <directhex|work> mrynit, mythtv is a pvr - you'd use myth as your pvr, and myth would use your cable box in the background
[12:32] <directhex|work> i've never configured an ir blaster personally, but i know that's the procesure
[12:39] <mrynit> ok that answers my question
[12:39] <mrynit> thanks
[12:40] <directhex|work> there we go, ladies! http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273
[14:19] <frink_> hey folks
[14:19] <frink_> wassuuurrp!?
[14:30] <replman> Hi! Just a short question: Does the Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S work fine with mythtv?
[14:32] <pdragon> known working hardware is listed here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware
[14:33] <pdragon> otherwise you'd have to ask on the mailing list or maybe the forums if no one here has used it
[14:33] <replman> pdragon: Thank you. The card is not listed there :-(. But on the ubuntu hardware-db it's listed as working with linux: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank/Ausgabeger%C3%A4te#TV-Karten
[14:35] <pdragon> i've never used it so i can't help anymore. the mailing list or forums would be your next best bet
[14:36] <replman> pdragon: ok, i will consult the forum. Thank you for your help!
[14:44] <directhex|work> check the linuxtv dvb wiki
[14:44] <directhex|work> mythtv works with linux hardware, not mythtv hardware
[15:00] <replman> is it possible to use a P2, 450MHz to record dvb-s? As i understood recording is just writing the received mpeg-stream...
[15:00] <directhex|work> yes, as long as you have the disk space and i/o bandwidth
[15:00] <directhex|work> which shouldn't be a problem
[15:01] <replman> ok, thanks
[15:28] <frink_> i need food
[15:30] <directhex|work> blue frink_ needs food badly
[15:36] <frink_> yah yah yah
[15:36] <frink_> i have food
[16:30] <bronson|Zzzz> WOW.  To solve my remote issues, I tried getting rid of lirc and having the kernel generate the events directly.
[16:30] <bronson|Zzzz> It's SOOOOO much better!
[16:31] <bronson|Zzzz> No delay at all, no stutter, predictable autorepeat.
[16:32] <bronson|Zzzz> Great, freenode won't let me change my nick back...  brb.
[19:34] <therethinker> Gahh -- for something to run hourly, I just need to stick in in /etc/cron.hourly, right?
[19:35] <rhpot1991> I've always used crontab -e then just fit the right numbers in the begining there
[19:37] <therethinker> hmm
[19:37] <Daviey> therethinker: yes
[19:37] <Daviey> therethinker: that is run - will run every hour.. just stick a shell script or symlink in there
[19:37] <therethinker> that's exactly what I did... it doesn't work
[19:37] <Daviey> yeah it does
[19:38] <therethinker> oh, damn. The symlink didn't work >_>
[19:39] <Daviey> therethinker: to test it run:
[19:39] <therethinker> Argh -- whenever I do it, I get a toomany levels error... its only 1
[19:39] <Daviey> $ cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
[19:39] <Daviey> (as root)
[19:40] <therethinker> hmm
[19:41] <Daviey> therethinker: give me shell access and i'll sort your life out :)
[19:42] <therethinker> Yay, got it
[19:42] <therethinker> I was doing ln -s, which apparently it doesn't like
[19:42] <Daviey> yes it does
[19:42] <therethinker> heh -- OKAY!
[19:42] <therethinker> I know -- its odd... I must have done something else wrong...
[19:43] <therethinker> but I dropped the -s, and ti wroked
[19:43] <therethinker> s/it worked
[19:43] <Daviey> thats a hard link :/
[19:43] <therethinker> I know... but it works ;P
[19:43] <therethinker> Heh... I know its not perfect
[19:43] <Daviey> when ir breaks.. let me know :)
[19:43] <therethinker> Heh, okay :p
[19:43] <Daviey> ir=ir
[19:44] <Daviey> urh it
[19:46] <therethinker> heh :P
[20:50] <solarbaby> Ok the Hauppage 350 TV should be way easier to get working then it currently is
[20:50] <superm1> solarbaby, you need to get that working?
[20:50] <solarbaby> TV out I should probably say
[20:50] <superm1> i have a patch for it that i need someone to test!
[20:51] <solarbaby> superm1: I've been reading howtos for hours
[20:51] <solarbaby> superm1: yes I need to get it working
[20:51] <superm1> solarbaby, it should all be contained in that thread on the forums
[20:51] <superm1> including my patch
[20:51] <superm1> if it works i'm going to do an SRU with it
[20:51] <solarbaby> superm1: all I need to do is find your post
[20:53] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3534555&postcount=30 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3673654&postcount=38
[20:54] <solarbaby> Thanks.. you found it way faster then me I was still looking
[20:54] <superm1> solarbaby, if it works, then please post to that thread that you got it working
[20:55] <solarbaby> right on.. will do
[20:58] <solarbaby> superm1: this address no longer works Download the xorg video driver (thanks superm1)
[20:58] <solarbaby> i386 version: wget http://ppa.launchpad.net/superm1/ubu...~ppa3_i386.deb
[20:59] <superm1> solarbaby, that's not something to directly wget
[20:59] <superm1> copy the url
[20:59] <superm1> and paste it
[21:00] <superm1> http://ppa.launchpad.net/superm1/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xserver-xorg-video-ivtvdev/xserver-xorg-video-ivtv_1.0.0~svn4049-3~ppa3_i386.deb
[21:00] <solarbaby> http://ppa.launchpad.net/superm1/ubu...~ppa3_i386.deb
[21:00] <superm1> is the whole url
[21:00] <superm1> the forums wrapped it
[21:01] <solarbaby> bummer
[21:03] <solarbaby> superm1 can you download from that url you posted here? I cant
[21:03] <superm1> yes i can
[21:04] <superm1> i just tried and it opens in firefox
[21:04] <superm1> you might need to put it in quotes if you are using wget
[21:21] <tgm4883_remote> whats a generic mpeg2 file extension look like?
[21:21] <tgm4883_remote> is it .mpeg
[21:21] <tgm4883_remote> or .mpeg2
[21:21] <tgm4883_remote> or something else
[21:31] <solarbaby> superm1: regretably I cannot confirm that it works
[21:31] <superm1> tgm4883_remote, .mpg
[21:31] <superm1> solarbaby, which part doesn't work
[21:31] <superm1> are things on X or not?
[21:31] <superm1> or is just the tv out not working
[21:31] <solarbaby> superm1: im not that smart..  whole whole package doesn't = sucess
[21:32] <solarbaby> no tv
[21:32] <superm1> solarbaby, well you modified your xorg.conf and things aren't coming up with myth's application on the tv?
[21:32] <superm1> or which?
[21:32] <solarbaby> and also I get an error in mythtv when I try to play videos when I have th 350 flagged in MythTV
[21:32] <solarbaby> I can't make either the desktop or mythtv show up through my 350 TV out
[21:33] <superm1> you need the desktop on the 350 out before mythtv can
[21:33] <solarbaby> I modified my xorg
[21:33] <superm1> did you reboot?
[21:33] <solarbaby> yes
[21:33] <superm1> can you check out your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:34] <solarbaby> alright
[21:37] <solarbaby> superm1: I dont know what the problem is
[21:37] <superm1> well post your log
[21:37] <superm1> on pastebin
[21:37] <solarbaby> ok
[21:37] <superm1> and we can see
[21:41] <solarbaby> http://pastebin.com/m4ce1a757
[21:46] <superm1> solarbaby, that's the failsafe one
[21:46] <superm1> can you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[21:55] <solarbaby> superm1: http://pastebin.com/m6f078321
[21:57] <superm1> solarbaby, that's also a failsafe one hm
[21:57] <superm1> lets see the xorg.conf
[21:57] <MythbuntuGuest80> I must be going crazy ... can someone point me towards how to use the VNC service from the MCC?
[21:58] <superm1> yeah, if you have it installed, pick reconfigure
[21:58] <superm1> and put in your password
[21:58] <superm1> and then hit apply
[21:59] <MythbuntuGuest80> ok.  and how do I access it from another machine?
[21:59] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest80, access VNC?
[21:59] <superm1> or MCC?
[21:59] <MythbuntuGuest80> vnc
[21:59] <superm1> well you have to restart X
[21:59] <MythbuntuGuest80> (that's probably a really lame question, sorry)
[21:59] <superm1> there is no dialog telling you that you do
[21:59] <superm1> but you do
[22:01] <solarbaby> superm1: http://pastebin.com/m11cb47b9
[22:01] <superm1> solarbaby, is that PCI ID correct?
[22:01] <solarbaby> Yeah
[22:01] <solarbaby> OH
[22:02] <solarbaby> I dunno for sure
[22:02] <MythbuntuGuest80> superm1 - I'm pretty sure I had that working.  Now I'm on a separate machine and want to access VNC (this is where I'm probably being really stuipd ... but I've no idea how to access it)
[22:02] <solarbaby> I can only assume I did that right
[22:02] <superm1> solarbaby, well you need ot make sure of that
[22:02] <superm1> lspci can tell you the pci id
[22:02] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest80, I assume you want to VNC control the first machine?
[22:02] <superm1> vncviewer MACHINEIP
[22:02] <MythbuntuGuest80> yes
[22:02] <foxbuntu> ^^
[22:02] <foxbuntu> is the second machine a Ubuntu machine as well?
[22:03] <solarbaby> superm1: 05:04.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[22:03] <MythbuntuGuest80> yes, it is.  VNCviewer isn't a recognized command.
[22:04] <MythbuntuGuest80> (actually, I have three ubuntu machines - one KDE, two xfce's ... the two x's are backends)
[22:04] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest80, try "sudo apt-get install vncviewer"
[22:04] <superm1> solarbaby, hmm
[22:04] <superm1> i'm wondering about why that log didn't say anything sensible
[22:04] <MythbuntuGuest80> ok, so that isn't in add/remove?
[22:04] <superm1> solarbaby, perhaps can you try to 'startx' and see if it tells you about a syntax error
[22:04] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest80, you can look there as well
[22:05] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest80, you can also start it via tsclient
[22:05] <superm1> typically
[22:05] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest80, I just usally do everything via apt-get
[22:06] <superm1> foxbuntu, i try to tell people to stay away from the command line as much as possible
[22:06] <superm1> so i understnad MythbuntuGuest80's desire to use add/remove
[22:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, yeah..I need to get more in that habit
[22:07] <superm1> that's what the big reason for mcc in the first place is
[22:07] <MythbuntuGuest80> I have no problem with command line ... but I just was surprised I could find apt-get but it wasn't in add/remove.
[22:07] <MythbuntuGuest80> (especially for something so simple)
[22:10] <MythbuntuGuest80> whoa ... that's disturbing :)  I expected a separate x session ... not the live one on my monitor.
[22:10] <MythbuntuGuest80> I appreciate it guys!
[22:11] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest80, np
[22:12] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest80, well there are two schools of thought on it, this way you can administer a live session
[22:12] <superm1> you can set it up the other way too
[22:13] <superm1> but there isn't anything automated for it right now
[22:40] <MythbuntuGuest02> sorry ... I missed one other question.  What's the login ID which gets used for the VNC service?
[23:44] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest02, there is no login id
[23:44] <foxbuntu> only a password