[00:00] <nalioth> i especially love his nick "sudosu"
[00:00] <LjL> next one will be SudoPasswdRoot
[00:03] <tonyyarusso> sudoku?
[00:03] <LjL> tonyyarusso: oh, so i'm not the only one who thought that.
[00:04] <tonyyarusso> LjL: hehe
[00:04] <tonyyarusso> It's the only logical brain progression.
[00:05] <no0tic> sudoking is someone who's playing sudoku, it seems clear to me
[00:05] <no0tic> to sudoke.. I'm sudoking, it sounds good
[00:30] <jdong> gnomefreak: late response, I know python and ruby fairly fluently, perl I know enough that I can hack some simple code and get by; by no means fluent
[00:30] <gnomefreak> jdong: hmmmmm
[00:31] <gnomefreak> jdong: how hard would it be to turn py code into perl?
[00:31]  * jdong cries a bit about hybridized orbitals
[00:31] <jdong> gnomefreak: at the mechanics, extremely easy
[00:31] <jdong> gnomefreak: the bigger challenge is mapping all the Python API calls to Perl ones
[00:32] <gnomefreak> that could cause a problem
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: is this relatd to porting chanserv.py to chanserv.pl? ;-)
[00:32] <gnomefreak> yep
[00:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: tell ya what
[00:32] <gnomefreak> or adding parts to it
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: when my school load clears up (i.e. winter break), I *definitely* want to do that
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: I got 10% there to cloning chanserv.py as chanserv.rb for weechat
[00:33] <gnomefreak> jdong: i would be glad to help if needed
[00:33] <jdong> then the weechat API pissed me off and I stopped that
[00:33] <jdong> hopefully irssi would be more sane.
[00:33] <gnomefreak> lol
[00:33] <gnomefreak> i was thinking of trying weechat
[00:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: trying to figure out who's opped and not via scripting is a looping construct.
[00:33] <jdong> that threw me over the edge
[00:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: weechat is okay, but IMO not as good as a properly customized irssi
[00:34] <jdong> gnomefreak: out of the box, IMO weechat is better configured than irssi
[00:34] <jdong> but it's much less configurable overall
[00:34] <gnomefreak> really?
[00:34] <jdong> yeah
[00:34]  * gnomefreak loves irssi
[00:34] <jdong> I also strongly disagree with some of their UI decisions
[00:34] <gnomefreak> weechats?
[00:34] <jdong> for example, /bans outputs the list of bans for the current channel into the "server window"
[00:34] <jdong> which is painful and confusing
[00:35] <jdong> unbans cannot be referred to by a number (that I can see)
[00:35] <gnomefreak> thats not very helpful
[00:35] <jrib> no love for irssi-python?
[00:35] <jdong> jrib: does it exist?
[00:35] <gnomefreak> jrib: not yet
[00:35] <gnomefreak> jdong: 2006 SOC they ssaid they were working on it
[00:35] <gnomefreak> never seen it surface
[00:35] <jrib> jdong: depends on your definition of "exist" but I've been using it for over a year
[00:35] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, I've seen that on their website
[00:35] <jdong> jrib: tell us more
[00:36] <gnomefreak> jrib: you added py support to irssi?
[00:36] <jrib> http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/ 
[00:36] <jrib> gnomefreak: yep
[00:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: personally as far as porting chanserv goes, IMO it's not much different between py and pl
[00:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: the majority of the grunt will be mapping xchat API's onto irssi's
[00:36] <gnomefreak> jdong: even adding the commands to auto_serv_bleh
[00:37] <gnomefreak> jrib: still supports perl?
[00:37] <jrib> gnomefreak: yep, it's just a plugin for irssi
[00:37] <gnomefreak> jdong: seems that part has been done i just hope it supports both
[00:38] <jrib> I needed to do this in order to compile successfully: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42763/
[00:38] <jdong> jrib: is it stable?
[00:39] <jrib> jdong: has been for me.  Problem is it is unmaintained.  Only issue I have come across is I don't know how to write scripts that do completion
[00:39] <gnomefreak> jdong: changelog says first release
[00:39]  * gnomefreak not good with svn
[00:39] <jdong> meh I'll play with it later...
[00:39] <gnomefreak> spend most of my time playing with bzr
[00:40] <jdong> perl scripting is fine for now, just need to find patience and time to learn irssi
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: client side UI to svn is very similar to bzr
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: server side UI to svn makes you jump off a cliff :)
[00:40] <gnomefreak> so just svn "checkout" http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/?
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: in fact, a bzr "checkout" (bound branch) has virtually identical commandset
[00:41] <jdong> gnomefreak: yep, checkout
[00:41] <jdong> gnomefreak: commit would be commit (if you had write access)
[00:41] <jdong> diff, log, and so on are all identical
[00:41] <gnomefreak> cool
[00:41] <gnomefreak> but nothing like cvs i hope
[00:41] <jdong> lol
[00:41] <gnomefreak> cvs is a pain to learn compared to bzr
[00:41] <jdong> svn is actually quite sane to use/learn on both the client and server side
[00:42] <jdong> IMO svn servers are more trouble than one bargains for
[00:42] <jdong> CVS is just a nightmare
[00:42] <gnomefreak> i agree
[00:42] <gnomefreak> mozilla uses cvs
[00:42] <jdong> epseically combined with like a ssh authentication method, setting up even a client makes you cry
[00:43] <gnomefreak> jrib: those commands on pastebin should do it all?
[00:43]  * gnomefreak doesnt see ./configure
[00:43] <gnomefreak> nor make
[00:43] <jrib> you still need to run ./configure and make
[00:44] <gnomefreak> after those commands right?
[00:44] <jrib> oh and you need a copy of the irssi source in the right spot
[00:44]  * gnomefreak wonders wth libtoolize is
[00:44] <gnomefreak> jrib: that would help i guess, does it have to be upstreams?
[00:45] <jrib> gnomefreak: no idea, I have 0.8.10 in there
[00:45] <gnomefreak> .8.11-0ubuntu1
[00:46] <jdong> gnomefreak: just get a 1-page perl primer. it'll be faster ;-)
[00:46] <gnomefreak> ;)
[00:46]  * jdong wonders if one can use regex to match parameters.....
[00:46] <jdong> ooh NOW I'm really tempted to write chanserv.pl and stop studying chem
[00:46] <gnomefreak> lol chem is fun
[00:47] <jdong> gnomefreak: good you can take my test for me.
[00:47] <gnomefreak> jdong: be glad to
[00:47] <jdong> are you at UDS?
[00:47] <gnomefreak> i wish
[00:47] <gnomefreak> i have court tomorrow so i couldnt make it to UDS
[00:47] <jdong> yeah you wish, then you can take my test for me right down the street.
[00:48] <gnomefreak> i never said it was easy just fun
[00:48] <gnomefreak> :)
[00:48] <jdong> :)
[00:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[00:48] <jdong> first rule of this place, nothing is fun anymore :)
[00:48] <jdong> second rule: there's three bridges within walking distance. It's a natural barrier. Indecision between which bridge to use prevents more suicides than long holiday breaks.
[00:49] <jrib> heh
[00:49] <no0tic> apart from me and my joins.. there ever was something fun here?
[00:49] <jdong> no0tic: pfft fun in the ops channel....
[00:49] <jdong> no0tic: how canst we helpest thee?
[00:50] <gnomefreak> normally the fun happens in #ubuntu-ops-happy-hour
[00:50] <gnomefreak> thats not a bad idea
[00:50] <gnomefreak> ;)
[00:50] <no0tic> jdong, I r inzide you brein, eating your fun
[00:51] <gnomefreak> ok i will test my hand at irssi-pyton tomorrow i have to get some sleep tonight and seamonkey is kicking my mem/cpus ass
[00:51] <gnomefreak> night all
[01:08] <PriceChild> flaccid in #kubuntu
[01:09] <jdong> PriceChild: you might want to put an "is" somewhere in that statement
[01:09] <PriceChild> not really...
[01:09] <Hobbsee> trolling, or just there?
[01:09] <jdong> PriceChild: but I know, KDE isn't all that sexually thrilling ;-)
[01:09] <PriceChild> I removed him the other day...
[01:09] <PriceChild> I think he just realised I didn't ban him at the same time.
[01:09] <jdong> you'd want like #ubuntu-e17 or something
[01:10] <PriceChild> !ohmy | jdong 
[01:10] <ubotu> jdong: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:10] <jdong> ow, those beeps hurt when ALSA is broken!
[01:10] <nalioth> jdong: huh?
[01:10] <PriceChild> ping jdong
[01:10] <jdong> AAAHHHH
[01:10] <no0tic> jdong, ?
[01:10] <jdong> y'all suck
[01:10] <jdong> no0tic: I thought I was smarter than the ALSA devs and did some codec patching.
[01:10] <jdong> oops.
[01:11] <jdong> now sound is like the auditory equivalent of electroshock therapy
[01:11] <jdong> and somehow I broke mute too.
[01:11] <PriceChild> hmmm i don't have any of your im accounts to ping you on jdong...
[01:12] <jdong> PriceChild: it's fortunate I'm not logged in either :)
[01:12] <PriceChild> *fires up skype*
[01:12] <nalioth> jdong: #ubuntu-e17 ?
[01:12] <jdong> PriceChild: why would I start skype if ALSA was broken?
[01:12] <jdong> nalioth: I doubt it actually exists :)
[01:12] <PriceChild> jdong, I don't know but it would be good if you did
[01:13] <jdong> nalioth: was trying to think of a window manager that's genuinely sexy
[01:13] <PriceChild> e17's ridiculous... and it runs so well
[01:13] <jdong> PriceChild: that's the sexiness...
[01:13] <PriceChild> on old hardware
[01:13] <PriceChild> I choose it over xfce any day
[01:13] <jdong> you'd expect it to take similar tolls as compiz for its glamor
[01:13] <jdong> but it doesn't.
[01:13] <PriceChild> mhmm
[01:13] <jdong> the only thing about E17 is that the speed of the product is balanced by the glacial release cycle :)
[01:14] <PriceChild> hehe
[01:14] <jdong> hence conservation of space-time is preserved.
[01:14] <PriceChild> the menus annoy me a little...
[01:14] <PriceChild> haven't used it in aaaages though
[01:14]  * nalioth runs E17 on his new(er) hardware
[01:17]  * tonyyarusso wishes E17 would be a) Packaged, b) Final
[01:48] <no0tic> night all
[01:49] <nalioth> night
[01:49] <mneptok> buan sera, no0tic 
[01:49] <mneptok> *buna
[01:49] <no0tic> mneptok, *buona notte :)
[01:50] <no0tic> mneptok, "sera" is before midnight I suppose
[01:51] <no0tic> bye
[01:55] <kahrytan> I would like to thank you all for helping me hate GPL supporters.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ooookay?
[01:57] <nalioth> kahrytan: you're welcome? (what did we do?)
[01:58] <kahrytan> ubuntu ops are basis against those who dont share their anti-capitalism pro-gpl|oss beliefs.
[01:58] <kahrytan> and always stand up for liars like mneptok
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ooookay?
[01:59] <kahrytan> Stop that
[02:00] <kahrytan> thats disrespectful. 
[02:01] <kahrytan> I want mneptok removed.
[02:01] <kahrytan> He is a liar.
[02:02] <kahrytan> Remove him now
[02:03] <nalioth> can you start at the beginning of this tale, kahrytan ?
[02:03] <kahrytan> Ask him when im not around. His lies piss me off
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and so far, your claims have not been backed up by evidence.
[02:04] <kahrytan> Basis  And always stand up for your own. goodbye.
[02:04] <kahrytan> dumbasses
[02:04] <Hobbsee> idiot.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> please, someone do the same thing about kahrytan, and we can ban him from all #ubuntu* channels for the same reason?
[02:05] <jdong> Hobbsee: WELL, that's disrespectful. you should be removed from this channel. Removeth her now!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:05]  * jdong hides in a cave
[02:06] <jdong> err... Kave.
[02:13] <mneptok> *someone* needs a juice box and a nap.
[02:16] <jdong> mneptok: but but but, I'm not tired
[02:16] <jdong> mneptok: and mommy says juice boxes have high fructose corn syrup and sodium benzoate which is bad for my pancreas.
[02:17] <elkbuntu_> aww... i missed the kahrytan showdown
[02:20]  * elkbirthday waits patiently for the logs to update
[02:20]  * LjL doesn't bother and goes to sleep
[02:22] <jdong> elkbirthday: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/log4elkbuntu.txt
[02:23] <jdong> near bottom.
[02:24] <elkbirthday> ha. i hope we have namespace-wide bans :Þ
[02:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, MorelOrel said: !pastebin? what is this?
[02:57] <nalioth> ubotu tell MorelOrel about pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:46] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
 elkbirthday, another year hallmarked by the sacrificing of virgin blood and tormenting innocent users? <-- who else deems this trolling?
[03:48] <mneptok> elkbirthday: don't give him nte satisfaction
[03:48] <mneptok> *the
[03:48] <elkbirthday> mneptok, which is why i havent responded
[05:03] <crdlb> !-language
[05:03] <ubotu> language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17
[05:03] <crdlb> !-ohmy
[05:03] <ubotu> ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[05:03] <crdlb> might want to fix that :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !language
[05:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !ohmy
[05:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <ubotu> But ohmy already means something else!
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !forget ohmy
[05:23] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Hobbsee
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ubotu: 
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ping
[05:23] <ubotu> pong
[05:23] <Hobbsee> oh damn
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:47] <Jucato> !ping
[05:47] <ubotu> pong
[05:50] <nalioth> KLANG
[06:01] <crdlb> Hobbsee: that's a bug in ubotu, you need to set it to something without an alias, then use !no ohmy is <alias> ...
[06:01] <crdlb> no idea why I remember that
[06:02] <nalioth> Hobbsee: that's a bug in crdlb, he has no idea why he remembers things
[06:02] <nalioth> :D
[06:02] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is bar
[06:02] <ubotu> But ohmy already means something else!
[06:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> !no ohmy is bar
[06:02] <ubotu> I know nothing about ohmy yet, Hobbsee
[06:02] <Hobbsee> that bug.
[06:02] <crdlb> gah ouch
[06:24] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:59] <ubotu> Kagar called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:14] <Madpilot> gah, it'd be nice if you could clear bans without spamming the heck out of the channel...
[09:35] <Daviey> okay.. who borked !ohmy :/
[09:35] <Daviey> !ohmy
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ohmy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <Seeker`> Daviey: I blame Gary
[10:01] <Daviey> Gary is the root of most probs IMO
[10:28] <Hobbsee> me
[11:19] <PriceChild> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/31/ubuntu-eats-lappy-hard-drive - oh for crying out loud
[11:20] <PriceChild> "however it seems that Ubuntu made the grave mistake of doing what the hard drive manufacturers told them."
[11:20] <Pici> I saw that a bit earlier.
[11:20] <Pici> Of course, no one will actuall read the article.
[11:20] <Pici> s/actuall/actually/
[11:20] <Daviey> Hobbsee: why the removal of !ohmy?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Daviey: because i made the mistake of removing !ohmy
[11:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ah yes.  *sigh*
[11:21] <Hobbsee> not like hardware manufacturers know their hardware, or antying.
[11:21] <Daviey> Hobbsee: ahh.. assumed it was planned, np
[11:22] <Hobbsee> and it's a bug.
[11:22] <Daviey> Also, from what it seems - ubuntu doesn't put laptops into "laptop mode" as default.. it's a manual conf setting
[11:23] <PriceChild> Daviey, indeed
[11:23] <PriceChild> mjg59 did an explanation of it all a while ago
[11:23] <Daviey> Luckily Ubuntu Demon helped spread the FUD tho.. good job!
[11:23] <Daviey> PriceChild: yeah, i read that... it was good readidng
[11:23] <Daviey> s/reading
[11:23] <PriceChild> Daviey, indeed
[12:48] <jdong> Daviey: ubuntu_demon corrected himself after the second one
[12:48] <jdong> to be honest, the laptop_mode=on scenario was a bad choice of defaults for Ubuntu
[12:48] <jdong> Ubuntu is the *only* distro that I know that sets hdparm -B1 when laptop_mode is enabled
[12:48] <Daviey> but it isn't AIUI
[12:49] <jdong> (this is not default behavior of laptop_mode -- laptop_mode.conf defaults to NOT adjusting power management for the HDD)
[12:49] <jdong> it also doesn't help that powertop's initial suggestion list includes turning on laptop_mode
[12:49] <Daviey> this is true
[12:50] <jdong> it's a case of not turned on by default, but no warning that turning it on would have SUCH nasty effects
[12:50] <jdong> and IMO that's *still* a Ubuntu bug.
[12:50] <jdong> we should not have landmine options in config files, especially not without clear warning....
[12:50] <jdong> should we add in a DESKTOP_MODE=false and when set to true it reformats all the drives??
[12:51] <jdong> I also did not understand Matthew's argument for why hdparm -B 1 is set rather than a more sensible value, like -B 100 or more
[12:52] <jdong> he seems to have implied that not all drives decide to go into parked mode immediately when B=1, but on all of my hard drives that support -B, this is the case.
[12:56] <jdong> *sigh* does Kevin really need to be doing all of his intro to CS homework on the Planet?
[12:56] <jdong> not that I don't enjoy reading decently challenging CS problems
[12:56] <jdong> or that I have anything against .NET (I'm a fanboy)
[13:07] <Amaranth> #ubuntu+1 got reopened?
[13:08] <Pici> Amaranth: yes.
[13:08] <Hobbsee> well, hardy is open, and seems working
[13:16] <ikonia> Hobbsee what is hardy's base kenrel ?
[13:16] <ikonia> kernel even 
[13:16] <Hobbsee> same as gutsy atm
[13:20] <no0tic> hi all
[13:20] <Pici> howdy
[13:40] <Pici> Heh, Ubuntu Demon apoligized for his post bumping
[13:44] <jdong> Pici: I think he genuinely had no idea it was happening
[13:44] <Pici> jdong: Thats what it sounded like.  
[13:44] <jdong> Pici: which I agree with -- it's an unintuitive problem with the planet system
[13:44] <Pici> Although if I had a planet feed, I'd probably be reading it too and would have seen all the posts I was making...
[13:45] <jdong> Pici: well it looks like he simply doesn't read planet on a regular basis
[13:45] <jdong> Pici: which I feel the same way about. IMO the quality of the posts on the planet have degraded drastically
[13:46] <jdong> and most of the times it's a waste of my time reading about someone's CS homework, or how Chister downgraded libc6 so that his macbook would work "with no bad consequences", the newest nokia device....
[13:46] <jdong> I RSS-aggregate the blogs on planet that seem to have decent content and I read them independently.
[13:46] <Pici> Or how so and so went on vacation to whatisplace and here are the vacation photos.
[13:47] <jdong> I don't mind some personal stuff here and there
[13:47] <jdong> I enjoy learning about the lives of people outside of Ubuntu
[13:47] <Pici> Sometimes its a bit much though.
[13:47] <jdong> agreed
[13:56] <Pici> !hdbug
[13:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu does *not* modify hard drive parameters by default.  Please see http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html for a technical analysis and also http://tinyurl.com/2vyrft for more information
[13:57] <Pici> Comments? Changes?
[14:10] <Pici> switched it around a bit: 
[14:10] <Pici> !hdbug
[14:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu does *not* modify hard-drive lifespans by default. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html (See https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html and http://tinyurl.com/2vyrft for more information)
[14:11] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's also the guy who deals with acpi*
[14:12] <Pici> Hobbsee: mjg59? 
[14:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:12] <Hobbsee> and suspend and resume
[14:13] <Pici> hmm
[14:13] <jdong> Pici: Ubuntu Technical Board member and ACPI expert.
[14:13] <jdong> :)
[14:14] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh, really, can i kill him then?
[14:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: no.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: we wnat S&R actually working for *most* machines.
[14:14] <jdong> LjL: didn't you listen to his many "it's not my fault" speeches? :)
[14:14] <jdong> (kidding :D)
[14:15] <LjL> jdong: well i suppose i can kill him "by mistake". or use a proprietary knife that i cannot really control.
[14:15] <Pici> !hdbug =~ s/Ubuntu developer/Ubuntu Technical Board member and ACPI expert/
[14:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[14:15] <Pici> !hdbug =~ s/A techincal/An/
[14:15] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[14:15]  * Pici works on his regex-fu
[14:16] <LjL> modifying hd lifespam...?
[14:16] <LjL> Pici, why don't you just copy and paste :P
[14:16] <Pici> LjL: Because thats boring.
[14:17] <jdong> LjL: I want to modify my lifespam.
[14:18] <jdong> even high definition spam
[14:18] <jdong> that's the worst
[14:18] <LjL> jdong: sudo jdparm /dev/jdong -B 255
[14:19] <jdong> LjL: will that help me burn extra calories?
[14:19] <LjL> jdong: yes and you'll never have to sleep
[14:24] <jdong> LjL: actually -S will still default to 5 minute spindown ;-)
[14:24]  * LjL drops jdong repeatedly with the platters spinning
[14:25] <jdong> LjL: fortunately I run OS X which, unlike Ubuntu, supports automatic parking on freefall without cutting disk lifespan by 10-fold :)
[14:25] <jdong> ha aren't I a troll today :)
[14:26] <LjL> jdong: automatic parking on freefall - suppose that requires an accelerometer. i thought that sort of thing was handled by the drive controller itself?
[14:27] <jdong> LjL: nah, Apple portables have an accelerometer built in
[14:27] <jdong> LjL: and a kernelland driver that monitors it in realtime
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: IBM has similar, and there's a userspace daemon (hdapsd) that monitors similar information on Linux
[14:28] <LjL> jdong: well if the interface to the accelerometer were standardized...
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: unfortunately, currently it's not possible in Linux to park the disk head
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: because there's no API call to freeze all disk activity
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: the patch was written in 2006 for it but has yet to be merged
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: once that's done, using the Linux macbook accelerometer driver to write a parking program is trivial
[14:29] <LjL> jdong: what about immediate poweroff on accelometer readings over threshold?
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: and the same patch for freeze_queue has a standard sysfs interface for IBM and Apple accelerometers
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: about half the acceleration of freefall or so
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: in my experience, not possible to trip without , say, running down stairs with the laptop in hand
[14:30] <LjL> jdong, i mean, what about just powering off the whole machine, since we can't just park the drive
[14:30] <jdong> I haven't exactly tried a drop test...
[14:30] <jdong> LjL: disks really don't spin down fast enough for that, not to mention a hard poweroff can cause much more damage than a drop
[14:30] <jdong> LjL: most good hard drives are rated to some 300-500G's of operating shock
[14:31] <LjL> jdong: meh, a hard poweroff will mess with the filesystem a little at worst... and lose your documents, but that happens routinely whenever X freezes :P still, powering off a drive doesn't park its head?
[14:33] <jdong> LjL: usually not immediately
[14:33] <jdong> LjL: they usually use rotational inertia counteracting a spring to park.....
[14:34] <jdong> which means you probably need for the drive to spin down significantly before it returns to a near parked position
[14:34] <jdong> while issuing a park command is nearly instant
[14:34] <LjL> jdong: will the next generation of Macs come with mini-jets to make the laptop float above ground when a fall is detected?
[14:35]  * jrib runs to the patent office
[14:35] <LjL> jrib: we have logs, and i'll sue you :P
[14:35] <Pici> LjL: I think I saw a commercial like that... /me looks
[14:37] <Pici> LjL: http://www.lenovo.co.uk/tapes/kent.html
[14:38] <jrib> wait, that's fake right?
[14:38] <jdong> LjL: lol, that would be hilarious
[14:38] <jdong> LjL: or deployable mini-springs ;-)
[14:38] <Pici> jdong: see my link
[14:38]  * jrib sees the strings
[14:38] <jdong> Pici: eeeeeewwww, I don't swing that way
[14:38] <Pici> o.O
[14:39] <jdong> Pici: say "See my hypertext anchor" next time
[14:39] <jdong> actually.... that sounds pretty bad too
[14:39] <jdong> never mind :)
[14:40] <LjL> jdong: or just an airbag
[14:40]  * Pici remembers that IBM commercial about dropping someones laptop
[14:41] <jdong> Pici: how about a commercial for dropping an entire line of laptops and sending them to some chinese company?
[14:41] <jdong> oh wait that is their entire commercial collection
[14:41] <Pici> Hehe
[14:42] <LjL> jdong: perhaps "see my address" would be a more cautious invite
[14:43] <Pici> I'm just going to avoid talking when jdong is around.
[14:43] <LjL> Pici: what are you going to do when mneptok is around then?
[14:43] <jdong> Pici: or maybe re-read every other word you type to make sure it can't be misconstrued as an innuendo? :)
[14:44] <LjL> mc44 will have advice about that too
[16:07] <Jucato> hm.. bot's gone again...
[16:07] <Jucato> Ubotwo: join #kubuntu
[16:08] <Jucato> bah
[16:08] <LjL> Jucato: you probably need to identify, identify jucato password
[16:08] <jpatrick_> Jucato: it's already there
[16:08] <LjL> yeah because i joined it
[16:09] <Jucato> yeah, LjL most probably did it
[16:09] <Jucato> :D
[16:09] <Jucato> can't find me in its user database :)
[16:10] <Jucato> nvm though. LjL's there to save the day :)
[16:11] <LjL> Jucato: i thought you were registered but it seems you aren't... register jucato password
[16:11] <Jucato> I registered.. probably removed me. it's ok :)
[16:15] <Andeh> Hi
[16:15] <Andeh> When I'm in #ubuntu-offtopic and try to talk, it says Cannot send to channel.
[16:15] <Andeh> Um...?
[16:16] <LjL> Andeh: that's because you are muted
[16:16] <Andeh> Oh
[16:17] <Andeh> Until what year?
[16:17] <LjL> Andeh: i don't know, i didn't do the muting. let me check what it was for
[16:18] <Pici> LjL: ubotu is down... looks like the tracker is too :(
[16:18] <Andeh> Thank you.
[16:18] <Andeh> :/
[16:18] <LjL> Pici: ubotu is actually connected, though in no channel
[16:18] <Andeh> heh
[16:18] <Pici> LjL: hm....
[16:18] <Seveas> hoster has network problems
[16:18] <Seveas> colo crap
[16:18] <Andeh> :p
[16:20] <LjL> well Andeh do you have any clue why you were muted? bans and mutes generally last differently long depending on why they happened
[16:22] <Andeh>   :/
[16:22] <Andeh> Well it seems my behaviour angers the ops often
[16:22] <Andeh> so it could have been for anything
[16:23] <Andeh> but it wasnt that suddenly I got a cannot send to channel message while still talking, I connected a week later and then it told me
[16:24] <Andeh> :/
[16:24] <Andeh> ...
[16:25] <Andeh> Cool, I just realised why the audio file I was just making hurt my ears, it had a strong ultrasound peak
[16:25] <Andeh> i'll see if I can remove it
[16:45] <Seveas> hoster is back
[16:45] <Seveas> ubotu will be back soon
[16:46] <Pici> Thanks for the update :_
[16:57] <Andeh> so, why am I muted again?
[16:58] <Andeh> ...
[16:59] <nalioth> Andeh: please be patient or be elsewhere
[16:59] <Andeh> Oh. Well the server is back ent it?
[17:00] <Seveas> that doesn't mean the ops are :)
[17:00] <Seveas> btw, i found this: 2007-09-16T19:55:30 <Andeh> Omg pedos
[17:00] <Seveas> not really something I'd unban/unmute
[17:34] <Seveas> eweka is down again, ubotu isn't functional
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> yay...
[17:35]  * tonyyarusso blames ghosts and goblins
[17:35] <Seveas> they seem to have screwed up routing this time, hmm
[17:35] <Seveas> !test
[17:35] <Seveas> ah, ping says it's back
[17:35] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:36] <Pici> Andeh: It looks like ompaul was the one who set your current mute.  He'd be the person to talk to about removing it.
[17:39] <Seveas> ok, eweka definitely fucked up their routing
[17:41] <nalioth> Seveas: would you like an account on my box here?
[17:41] <Seveas> not much I can do now
[17:41] <Pici> I thought your box was sequestered behind some nasty NATting
[17:41] <nalioth> Seveas: well, i don't know if you mirror your cvs/svn/bzr stuff on a local box (i do)
[17:41] <nalioth> Pici: are you speaking to me? my box is open to the world
[17:42] <Seveas> not the db
[17:42] <nalioth> tonyyarusso has an account on it for powerpc dev'ng
[17:42] <Seveas> Pici, ljl's box is 
[17:42] <Pici> Seveas: They're practially the same person :p
[17:42] <nalioth> Seveas: i have the latest factoid db (at least the latest until the server went whacky)
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: I think I may have forgotten the pw for it though...  /me cowers
[17:44] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: that's easily corrected
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> would it be possible to re-get login info?
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> :P
[17:45] <tonyyarusso> I just had an IP address before too - haven't you learned the ways of no-ip or something yet?
[17:45] <Seveas> nalioth, do you think profox` qualifies for a channel join limit exception? he's ubuntu member and active dutch loco member
[17:48] <nalioth> Seveas: he's been gifted
[17:48] <Seveas> gracias
[17:48] <nalioth> de nada
[17:59] <jussi01> hmmm, is there a problem with ubotu? (seems very slow) should I take the load off and unmute ubotwo?
[18:00] <Pici> jussi01: Just some server issues. Hopefully it'll be back to normal soon.
[18:01] <Pici> Seems pretty responsive in #ubuntu now
[18:01] <jussi01> Pici: k, thanks
[18:06] <PriceChild> And then there were 4...
[18:06] <PriceChild> *runs off for lunch*
[18:22] <Seeker`> PriceChild: lunch?!
[18:22] <PriceChild> meh tea
[18:22] <PriceChild> i didn't eat lunch
[18:23] <Pici> PriceChild: Do you wear a monocle and a top hat?
[18:23] <PriceChild> tea == evening meal in pricey speak
[18:23] <TheSheep> liquid diet O.o
[18:27] <Seeker`> Pici: Where do you live?
[18:27] <Pici> Seeker`: New Jersey, USA
[18:28] <nalioth> NEW JERSEY!
[18:28] <Pici> yes <.<
[18:28]  * Seeker` calls dinner "tea" sometimes
[18:29] <Pici> I've never heard it called tea.
[18:30] <Seeker`> its a British thing
[18:31] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_%28meal%29#Main_evening_meal
[18:32]  * Pici looks
[18:34] <no0tic> hi all
[18:34] <Pici> hi
[18:35] <TheSheep> how may...
[18:35] <Pici> how may?
[18:35] <TheSheep> nevermind
[18:36] <no0tic> :)
[18:46] <Andeh> ompaul: Hi.
[18:46] <PriceChild> its an Andeh.... can we help?
[18:46] <Andeh> Yeah.
[18:46] <Andeh> Why am I muted?
[18:46] <PriceChild> how? :)
[18:46] <PriceChild> where?
[18:46] <ompaul> I think I know why
[18:46] <Andeh> in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:47] <Andeh> yeah
[18:47] <ompaul> -offoptic 
[18:47] <nalioth> Andeh: we got it.  please wait for the op that banned you
[18:47] <ompaul> he just arrived
[18:47] <Andeh> O_o
[18:47] <ompaul> I think
[18:47] <Seveas> he did
[18:47] <ompaul> ahh Seveas so I did did I
[18:47] <Pici> ompaul: yes, I told him you did it.
[18:47] <Andeh> ...
[18:48] <Andeh> Ahem
[18:48] <ompaul> Andeh, the concept of not being annoying to your fellow channel residents is kind of important
[18:48] <ompaul> persist semi trolling
[18:48] <ompaul> so here is the deal
[18:49] <ompaul> you learn how we communicate 
[18:50] <ompaul> if you want to participate work within those bounds and don't keep making noise and disrupting it all
[18:50] <ompaul> Andeh, willing to do that?
[18:51] <ompaul> Andeh, and to let you know, most people are not your age in there, in fact some of us are on the wrong side of forty let alone the wrong side of thirty
[18:51] <Seveas> ompaul, but you're still on the good side of the 70 :)
[18:52] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks for finding the silver lining in that :)
[18:52] <ompaul> haha
[18:52] <Seveas> look for the silver lining...
[18:53] <ompaul> Andeh, I'll take your shocked and stunned silence to be a no. You can inform me when you think you might be able to participate in that social grouping, the way they all do.
[18:53] <Seveas> s/they/we/
[18:53] <PriceChild> ohmy has gone?
[18:53] <ompaul> PriceChild, na it is not an ohmy version of reality
[18:53] <ompaul> !ohmy
[18:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, Seveas said: !unforget ohmy
[18:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ohmy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:54] <crdlb> PriceChild: my fault sorry :(
[18:54] <PriceChild> ahh tis back now
[18:54] <PriceChild> crdlb, hmm?
[18:54] <crdlb> I pointed out that !ohmy wasn't aliased to !language
[18:54] <Pici> tsk tsk
[18:55] <Andeh> ompaul: Hi
[18:55] <PriceChild> !-ohmy
[18:55] <Andeh> My mum was on the PC
[18:55] <ubotu> ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[18:55] <crdlb> but when they tried to fix it, ubotu broke :)
[18:55] <Pici> -language
[18:55] <Pici> !-language
[18:55] <ubotu> language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17
[18:55] <PriceChild> riiight..... so if i aliased it now.... it would break?
[18:55] <ompaul> Andeh, well scroll back and read what I have been saying since you said Ahem
[18:55] <Andeh> I did just that :D
[18:56] <Seveas> !no ohmy is <alias> language
[18:56] <Andeh> I think I might be able to participate in that social grouping, the way they all do.
[18:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[18:56] <Seveas> ohmy
[18:56] <Seveas> !-ohmy
[18:56] <ubotu> ohmy is <alias> language - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[18:56] <Andeh> hehe
[18:56] <Seveas> !ohmy
[18:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[18:56] <Pici> my oh my
[18:56] <Seveas> ♪ somewhere over the rainbow
[18:56] <ompaul> Andeh, okay, please be aware if I or someone else says calm down, please do so, keep quite for a while.
[18:56] <PriceChild> and all was well in the world...
[18:56] <ompaul> PriceChild, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:56] <Seveas> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-October/000344.html
[18:56] <ompaul> it is the eve of all hallows the fires are buring
[18:57] <ompaul> burning even
[18:57] <Andeh> ompaul: I think the exact wording was "fucking ignorant moron" rather than calm down, but okay.
[18:57] <jussi01> Seveas: thanks :)
[18:57] <ompaul> Andeh, you just bought yourself another ban 
[18:57] <ompaul> I had undone it
[18:57] <Andeh> O_O
[18:58] <Pici> Seveas: :_(
[18:58] <Andeh> I was being serious
[18:58] <ompaul> we don't permit that kind of conversation
[18:58] <Andeh> I know
[18:58] <Andeh> They banned him after he flamed me
[18:58] <ompaul> so using "
[18:58] <ompaul> does not work
[18:58] <Andeh> ...
[18:59] <Andeh> Note to self: Quoting others gets you banned
[18:59] <ompaul> Andeh, can do
[18:59] <ompaul> I'll remove it, don't point fingers 
[18:59] <Andeh> it has on several occasions, not just here
[18:59] <Seveas> Andeh, it can if you just pretend quote
[18:59] <Andeh> ?
[18:59] <Seveas> there is no mention of a F A M on https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=implozun&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[18:59] <ompaul> when it has happened leave it others can deal with it
[19:00] <Andeh> You mean like 'I think the exact wording was "[f word(adjective)][person who does not pay attention(noun)][stupid person(noun)]"'
[19:00] <ompaul> Andeh, we live in a world where we communicate some times in places you can see, some times you can't and other times we meet face to face
[19:01] <Andeh> Hooray for technology then.
[19:01] <Andeh> Hmm
[19:01] <Andeh> I am working on a song. If I send you a bad quality .ogg of it to promote the free format and ubuntu's use of it, will it... never mind
[19:02] <ompaul> stuff such as ---  2007-10-12T22:58:41 <Andeh> ompaul: Hmm. I have 4 GB ram. Should I just sell that last gigabyte?   --- is very annoying not clever or smart
[19:02] <Andeh> ...
[19:02] <Andeh> you picked out the only serious thing I ever said on IRC?
[19:02] <Seveas> imagine how annoying the non-serious things are :)
[19:02] <ompaul> well then it just goes to show how you come across
[19:03] <Andeh> I wasn't kidding about that, the last gig is wasted
[19:03] <Andeh> brb
[19:03] <ompaul> cos that does not read serious
[19:03] <ompaul> it reads like troll
[19:03] <PriceChild> Seveas, ubotu doesn't report here on alias's of !ops? like !op
[19:03] <Seveas> it should
[19:04] <Seveas> it doesn't
[19:06] <mc44> Seveas: you're leaving us for the *dutch*!
[19:06]  * mc44 cries
[19:06]  * ompaul looks at mc44 
[19:07] <ompaul> food on the way got to go
[19:07] <Seveas> ompaul, see the link I just posted :)
[19:08] <Andeh> Oh, my use of capital letters...
[19:09] <Andeh> ...and proper grammar... do they make people think I am a troll pretending not to be a troll?
[19:10] <Andeh> Because I don't see how else that line looks like a troll
[19:10] <Andeh> And if I remember it was in context, I was asking about linux handling my 4x1GB ram to the full extent
[19:11] <Andeh> so not just 2.8 GB like it does at the moment
[19:11] <Andeh> They later told me the only things that dont work with ubuntu x64 out of the box are some commercial plugins like flash and java
[19:12] <Andeh> mm
[19:12] <Andeh> err...
[19:13] <nalioth> Andeh: can we help you?
[19:13] <Andeh> yeah
[19:13] <Andeh> ompaul: I kindly request you to un-mute me now.
[19:14] <jussi01> nalioth: ompaul has run off for food. 
[19:14] <nalioth> Andeh: please be patient or be elsewhere
[19:14] <Andeh> nalioth: ...
[19:15] <Andeh> It's sort of a conversation that has been going on. I am not patiently waiting for ompaul to decide to unban me for no reason, I am trying to convince him I will try not to make my 100% serious posts less likely to look like trolls.
[19:16] <PriceChild> Something is wrong...
[19:16] <Seveas> ...in the kingdom of...
[19:18] <Pici> ...our discontent...
[19:19] <Seveas>  _____
[19:19] <Seveas> < moo >
[19:19] <Seveas>  -----
[19:19] <Seveas>         \   ^__^
[19:19] <Seveas>          \  (oo)\_______
[19:19] <Seveas>             (__)\       )\/\
[19:19] <Seveas>                 ||----w |
[19:19] <Seveas>                 ||     ||
[19:20]  * mc44 goes to find the shakespeare play with "moo" in it
[19:21] <gnomefreak> hes not banned in here
[19:21] <Pici> Just muted.
[19:21] <gnomefreak> oh well later guys ;)
[19:21] <Pici> cya
[19:22] <mc44> bah, there's lots of "moon" but no "moo" :(
[19:22] <Seveas> gweep, how can we help you?
[19:22] <gweep> hi
[19:23] <gweep> the ubuntu-austria team need a entry into this page:
[19:23] <gweep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[19:23] <Andeh> Why thank you.
[19:23] <gweep> wie have an irc channel #ubuntu-at
[19:23] <Seveas> gweep, it's a wiki, you can edit it :)
[19:23] <Andeh> Heh.
[19:23] <gweep> oh ... ok :)
[19:23] <PriceChild> Seveas, that's help. we can't edit that can we?
[19:23] <Seveas> we can
[19:24] <Seveas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=edit
[19:25] <Andeh> meh
[19:25] <Andeh> good night
[19:26] <PriceChild> Seveas, ahhh cool
[19:39] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:40] <Seveas> Mez, wuss :p
[19:40] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:41] <PriceChild> Seveas, woo :)
[19:41] <PriceChild> oh wait...
[19:41] <PriceChild> that was ops not op
[19:42] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:42] <PriceChild> sorted :D
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots (hey PriceChild: )
[19:43] <PriceChild> haha that's even cooler :)
[19:43] <Seveas> 2 things fixed 
[19:43] <PriceChild> *highfives Seveas*
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots ()
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots (afasfdasdf)
[19:44]  * nalioth removes the bots safeguards in #ubuntu-bots
[19:44] <Seveas> ok, enough annoyance
[19:44] <Daviey> !botabuse
[19:44] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[19:44] <Daviey> :)
[19:45] <mc44> Seveas: wait, you had 400 people at your release party ^^
[19:45] <mc44> 400, like, ubuntu people
[19:45]  * nalioth introduces Cyberdyne T101 subroutines into the bots in #ubuntu-bots
[19:46] <Daviey> mc44: yeah.. but we had sabdfl >;)
[19:46] <gweep> Seveas ... i have a another question. how we can enter the austrian ubuntu forum on this page?
[19:46] <gweep> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/webforums
[19:46] <mc44> Daviey: 8 people round a snooker table isn't quite the same :P
[19:47] <gweep> there no edit on the page
[19:47] <Daviey> mc44: incidently we didn't even play snooker..
[19:47] <Seveas> gweep, contact webmaster@canonical.com
[19:47] <gweep> thank you for help ... nice support :)
[19:51] <gweep> and for this edit: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/local - the same? contact to webmaster@canonical.com?
[19:53] <gweep> ok ... we have it ! THX Seveas!!!
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> mc44: My team had 28 - it was cool.
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> (We're brand new)
[20:21] <nalioth> is there a file size limit per mailbox on thunderbird?
[20:21] <nalioth> my tbird has just stopped functioning
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> I doubt it, or I would have it it.
[20:25] <JanC> nalioth: yes
[20:26] <nalioth> JanC: care to share?
[20:27] <JanC> well, I know that at least in the past there was a limit of about 2 GiB
[20:28] <ompaul> file size issues more so hmmmm
[20:29] <nalioth> ah
[20:29]  * nalioth is nowhere near that size for his .mbox files
[20:29] <nalioth> i suspect somone sent a GPG key in a digest that has caused tbird to choke
[20:33] <nalioth> i logged into gmail and moved the digests and don't seem to be having the problem any more
[20:34] <ompaul> one thing which can break tb is borken messages 
[20:51] <mneptok> They give us hope and teach us well. With magic moons that cast a spell, and hypnotise, and draw us in. I believe I'm believing.
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok,  and so it was that the things that happened that night but few speak of them as they were mostly very boring.
[20:54] <ompaul> :)
[21:09] <nalioth> something very weird is going on.  evolution will not start at all.
[21:10] <mneptok> DOOMED TO BE AN AMOEBA!
[21:10] <LjL> nalioth: ask the guy in #kubuntu whose filesystem suddenly turned read only... might do some knowledge exchanging :)
[21:11]  * Pici divides
[21:12] <nalioth> LjL: i'm not read-only.  but it _is_ funny that two email clients would start fitzing out simultaneously
[21:12] <LjL> full HD then? :)
[21:13] <nalioth> got 10gb to go
[21:13] <nalioth> as usual, my problems are my own
[21:24] <nalioth> wow.  i just installed kmail (never used it before at all) and it won't start.
[21:25] <nalioth> i am suspecting spamassasin
[21:26] <LjL> nalioth: though kmail doesn't use spamassassin by default unless you run the spam wizard i think...
[21:26] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (federico advising to run a DoS attack)
[21:30] <tonyyarusso> wow, I managed to join just in time to be greeted by "DOOMED TO BE AN AMOEBA!" ?
[21:32]  * mneptok beams brightly
[21:35]  * nalioth notes that mneptoks UV output has killed himself-the-amoeba
[22:21] <Seveas> DOOMED TO BE A MNEPTOK
[22:23]  * tonyyarusso is getting grief from Thunderbird
[22:23] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: is it bullying you?
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: It's marking my messages as read before I read them.
[22:24] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: seems to be going around . . . 
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: :(
[22:24]  * tonyyarusso prods mozilla to put as much freakin' effort into all their products
[22:24] <JanC> tonyyarusso: they probably ported that feature from MS Outlook?  :P
[22:25] <tonyyarusso> JanC: Oooh, does it come with worms now too?
[22:25] <JanC> well, it always marks at least one unread mail as read every time you open it  :)
[22:26]  * tonyyarusso bops tritium over the head for making him try things, and thus, break things
[22:26] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: please dont im getting tired of fixing tbird atm
[22:27] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Sowwies...
[22:27] <gnomefreak> i would like to get seamonkey and sunbird done first ;)
[22:27] <gnomefreak> and yes we are renaming iceape to seamonkey for version 2.0
[22:27] <gnomefreak> and i love it ;)
[22:33]  * TheSheep wonders what happened to iceweasel
[22:36] <gnomefreak> TheSheep: it stayed in debian
[22:37] <gnomefreak> iceweasel==firefox
[22:37] <TheSheep> gnomefreak: didn't they fork?
[22:37] <gnomefreak> no just the branding 
[22:38] <gnomefreak> name and icons, debian didnt agree to the terms
[22:39] <gnomefreak> only reason why i named seamonkey as iceape is i was merging from debian but since we no longer do that its being named and branded seamonkey
[22:48]  * mneptok stifles a *waaaay* too mature comment
[22:50] <gnomefreak> bot borked?
[22:51] <Pici> !test
[22:51] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:51] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: when isn't it?
[22:51] <gnomefreak> debian 448117
[22:51] <gnomefreak> debian bug 448117
[22:51] <gnomefreak> neither work i get pmed
[22:52] <gnomefreak> 18:51 <ubotu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Debian: timed out
[22:52] <Pici> yarr
[22:52] <Pici> Were  you looking for a debian bug?
[22:52] <gnomefreak> either bot is out of sync or debian bug tracker is borked
[22:52] <gnomefreak> Pici: yes
[23:17] <nalioth> walter_eco: would the -ak be Alaska or something else?
[23:17] <walter_eco> no, its for alaska i think
[23:17] <walter_eco> its supposed to be for alaska i think
[23:17] <nalioth> walter_eco: please use #ubuntu-us-ak with our compliments
[23:18] <walter_eco> im pretty sure the ubuntu alaska loco team channel is supposed to be #ubuntu-ak
[23:18] <walter_eco> that could be why i was having a problem
[23:22] <rob> it could be forwarded I guess
[23:23] <nalioth> rob: we're all switching over to the new style of naming   :P
[23:24] <gnomefreak> thought ak was arkansaw
[23:24] <gnomefreak> (sp)
[23:24] <mneptok> AK = Alaska
[23:25] <mneptok> AR = Arkansas
[23:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: AL = Alabama
[23:25] <gnomefreak> ;)
[23:25] <gnomefreak> nc = north colorado? j/k
[23:25] <rob> new style?
[23:25] <rob> how ugly :)
[23:26] <nalioth> rob: #ubuntu-texas is now #ubuntu-us-tx
[23:26] <nalioth> and so forth
[23:26] <rob> nalioth, eww
[23:26] <nalioth> not my idea, but it seems logical
[23:26] <nalioth> keeps the Tunisians from warring with the Tennesseans
[23:27] <elkbuntu> and georgia vs georgia
[23:28] <rob> warring is what Americans do best, isn't it? :P
[23:28] <mc44> I'd back georgia in that fight
[23:28] <nalioth> rob: not lately
[23:28] <elkbuntu> mc44, heh
[23:29] <rob> I guess that makes sense for the US at least, but I couldn't imagine it would apply so well to every loco channel
[23:29] <elkbuntu> rob, well the US is the only country with a zillion locos instead of one or two
[23:29] <rob> yeah
[23:29] <rob> but, why not use the full names instead?
[23:30] <rob> #ubuntu-alaska for example
[23:30] <nalioth> not our decision, rob   (looks upward)
[23:30] <nalioth> came from the CC
[23:30] <elkbuntu> rob, they often have both, but newbies keep trying to join the #ubuntu-<state abbreviation>
[23:31] <rob> I'm guessing I missed the above discussion as I only just reconnected after the thunderstorm here last night, but the decision seems a little misguided to me. How come the CC are deciding that anyway, shouldn't the IRC council just have taken care of a decision like that?
[23:33] <elkbuntu> because the irc council is only new, the people took it to the wrong place, and the cc obviously were not going to palm it
[23:33] <rob> elkbuntu, of cause they do, because that makes sense. I bet the next choice would be #ubuntu-fullname, -us-ak for example is ugly and not that logical
[23:34] <rob> maybe they should have handballed it
[23:35] <rob> no matter, it doesn't really affect me so I'm not too worried, but it sure is ugly ;)
[23:37] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (daniele_)
[23:37] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Mandrivaboy2008 too)
[23:44]  * no0tic is hoping his wireless will work
[23:46] <elkbuntu> nalioth, when did the cc make this vote anyway? 
[23:47] <nalioth> elkbuntu: nfc.  the directive came via the dutchman
[23:47] <elkbuntu> dutchman needs to confirm then
[23:48] <nalioth> he's confirmed many times by telling wondering folks to use the channel naming system 
[23:48] <nalioth> and asking me to change some channel names
[23:55] <jrib> nalioth: the wiki still recommends ubuntu-fullstatename
[23:55] <nalioth> then i guess i'll have to get it changed, eh?
[23:55] <jrib> agh, why?
[23:56] <nalioth> to make sure we're all on the same sheet of music, of course
[23:56] <jrib> but why one over the other?  When ubuntu-massachusetts was set up, it was clear from the wiki and the ubuntu-us channel that it should be fullname
[23:57] <nalioth> jrib: i have no idea.