[02:10] <dtrask> evenin' all
[02:10] <LaserJock> hi dtrask
[02:11] <dtrask> back in Boston :-)
[02:12] <dtrask> went back for 2 days...felt like a visitor in my own home  ;-)
[02:12] <LaserJock> hah
[02:12] <LaserJock> did you have to break up the party?
[02:12] <dtrask> LOL
[02:13] <dtrask> had to go back and teach for two days....but now back for duration
[02:14] <LaserJock> awesome
[02:14] <dtrask> glad too....done more IRC and Ekiga than ever before ;-)
[02:15] <dtrask> Hey what time "our time" are the meetings usually on Wed?
[02:15]  * dtrask realizes you are in Mountain time
[02:16] <LaserJock> I'm in Pacific :-)
[02:17] <dtrask> oh...so what time are the meetings usually....the Edubuntu meetings on IRC on wed?
[02:18] <LaserJock> 5am or 1pm here
[02:18] <LaserJock> dtrask: you can look on fridge.ubuntu.com
[02:18] <dtrask> 3 hours diff?
[02:18] <LaserJock> should yeah
[02:19] <dtrask> 10 a.m.?
[02:19] <dtrask> fridge.ubuntu.com
[02:19]  * dtrask needs world clock  :-)
[02:19] <LaserJock> eastern time is UTC -4
[02:21] <dtrask> 4 pm....doh!
[03:03] <dtrask> !pastebot
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <pvangundy> happy Halloween
[04:20] <mwright1> Hi Anyone here used or  knows the ins and outs of using xenified ubuntu gutsy as a terminal server
[04:20] <mwright1> and then running normal clients to get sound workingt
[04:35] <mwright1> hello anyone here au fait with ltsp?
[11:06] <nilsen__> hi. how can I boot clients that do not support PXE?
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can install a minimal os on the client/boot off some media
[11:10] <nilsen__> could I boot from a CD? I read so on the handbook, but I do not know what image i should use
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, you could
[11:11] <nilsen__> where can i download suitable images?
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure, i havent tried myself
[11:17] <nilsen__> i figured it out :) http://rom-o-matic.net
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you find that in the doco? if not it might need to be added
[11:20] <nilsen__> yes, I probably did not look good enough the first time
[11:20] <nilsen__> found it here http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:24] <nilsen__> but how to extract a zdsk image to a floppy disk would be nice to have in the handbook
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> never heard of it before *grin*
[11:26] <nilsen__> the diskette boot images found on rom-o-matic is zdsk format
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can select different formats
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> $ cat eb-5.4.3-yournic.zdsk > /dev/fd0
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^^ WTF?
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> since when have you cat'd data into devices like that :|
[11:30] <nilsen__> yes, you find a guide on the rom-o-matic guide, but to have it in the handbook could probably be o.k. too
[11:30] <nilsen__> and a note that ubuntu uses by some strange reason /dev/sdd as diskette..?
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking at rom-o-matics guide, i think one for hte handbook would be a good move
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> all new distros will.  LInux dropped IDE code out, everything uses the scsi system now
[11:32] <nilsen__> ok, I thought it was a ubuntu-only thing. thanks for the info :) are you involved in the edubuntu handbook?
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, not recently. looking to get involved again.
[11:33]  * Kamping_Kaiser has the source checked out, just hasnt had time to get involved
[11:34] <nilsen__> ok
[11:35] <nilsen__> i have to say i am very impressed with edubuntu. setup is way easier than windows terminal servives
[11:35] <nilsen__> my boss was impressed too, we wil probably use this on the schools we serve :)
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent ... experianced... (suffered?) doze TS.
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used it recently
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not since 6.06
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i'm still peripherally involved in edubuntu/ubuntu-education
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> which reminds me. *goes to remove gnome.conf from his miniconfs list in favour of education only*
[11:38] <nilsen__> have to leave now. thanks for all help :) see you
[13:11] <sbalneav> Morning all
[13:16] <RichEd> morning sbalneav ... how's the weather where you are today ?
[13:18] <sbalneav> RichEd: I'm here in the platforms roundtable :)
[13:18] <RichEd> platforms ? that's like high heels but with more of a wedge ?
[13:19] <sbalneav> Right.
[13:19] <sbalneav> I prefer pumps myself.
[13:19] <sbalneav> :)
[13:21]  * RichEd shuts down his imagination before something bursts
[13:21] <sbalneav> lol
[13:24] <ogra> *shudder*
[13:28] <RichEd> sbalneav: ltsp-improvedcdsprinting <- does this need a session this morning ? it's got a room reserved
[13:31] <RichEd> earth to scotty ... sbalneav ^^^ need an answer so they can generate the final schedule
[13:32] <SimonAnibal> Hope you guys are having fun in Massachusetts
[13:32] <SimonAnibal> I'm teaching Python in Indiana at the moment
[13:32] <sbalneav> RichEd: I don't think so
[13:33] <sbalneav> I think we could just handle it at BTS
[13:33] <stgraber> we have a problem with the schedule, edubuntu-mass-maintenance and ltsp-improved-cdsprinting are at the same time ...
[13:33] <RichEd> what is the status ? drafting ?
[13:33] <sbalneav> What do I need to mark it as?
[13:33] <stgraber> ah ok, just read the backlog
[13:33] <RichEd> stgraber: yep ... that's because you have not made yourself compulsory
[13:33] <RichEd> sbalneav: drafting ?
[13:34] <sbalneav> ok, I'll update
[13:35] <sbalneav> ok, changed to drafting/started
[13:35] <RichEd> schweet
[13:37] <RichEd> stgraber: did you change yourself to compulsory on the cdsprinting
[13:37] <fgiraldeau> ogra : https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-and-italc
[13:38] <RichEd> stgraber: ignore ... sorry
[13:38] <stgraber> RichEd: as it was changed to drafting and no longer scheduled it's not a problem
[13:38] <RichEd> :)
[13:38] <RichEd> mmmmm brain needs coffeeeeee
[13:38] <stgraber> mine too
[13:39] <ogra> fgiraldeau, i meant the wikipage
[13:39] <ogra> you wanted me to add a wikipage to a spec yesterday, but didnt give me the url
[13:39] <ogra> (url of the wikipage)
[13:40] <fgiraldeau> ogra: You was supposed to copy the gobby it in the wiki
[13:40] <fgiraldeau> isn't?
[13:40] <fgiraldeau> I do have a copy, I can create the wiki page if needed.
[13:40] <ogra> yes, i was, i thought you had made something up
[13:40] <ogra> then i misunderstood, sorry
[13:41] <fgiraldeau> Ok, I will send you a link, wait a minute.
[13:47] <fgiraldeau> ogra : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy
[13:48] <fgiraldeau> I added Hardy keyword, because we may have another roadmap for Hardy+1
[13:48] <ogra> gracias
[13:48]  * ogra hugs fgiraldeau 
[13:49] <fgiraldeau> Well, it seems to have another session on this spec in one minute, isn't?
[13:51] <stgraber> fgiraldeau: refresh the schedule :)
[13:51] <Nubae> Hi there... I've written to the mailing list, but didnt receive an answer, so I'll try my luck here :-)
[13:52] <Nubae> I'm trying to create 2 chroots, one for fat clients running restricted drivers, and another for normal thin clients
[13:52] <Nubae> Is this possible?
[13:52] <Nubae> this is ltsp under gutsy
[13:53] <Nubae> I've attempted this by modifying dhcp.conf and loading one or another chroot according to mac address, but maybe this is not the way or not even possible
[13:53] <fgiraldeau> I would say that everything is possible, but it's not supported by default. You will have to work. Are you ready for that?
[13:53] <Nubae> already doing that
[13:54] <Nubae> I had to modify the chroot extensively to work with linux restricted drivers already, and I'm pretty sure I know how to authenticate from inside the chroot using ldap
[13:54] <fgiraldeau> Ok, so you may start by reading how to get multiple chroot and deal with that
[13:54] <Nubae> where.. I've look everywhere
[13:55] <fgiraldeau> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupLTSPDevelEnvironment
[13:55] <fgiraldeau> You will find usefull information for setting up and start to build uppon
[13:56] <Nubae> right, but that mentions witching between chroots
[13:56] <Nubae> I need to run both at the same time
[13:58] <fgiraldeau> You may have two entries in the default pxe configuration, one for booth.
[13:58] <dtrask> RichEd: lemme know when you want to have any of the "unscheduled" discussion sessions
[13:59] <Nubae> I've already got that... my problem arises when the client boots up and gets to the image...
[13:59] <fgiraldeau> If you want them to be fixed, then it's possible to use a file based on the mac address in the pxelinux.cfg file
[13:59] <bddebian> Heya
[13:59] <fgiraldeau> Nubae: Where does it stops?
[14:00] <Nubae> anyway, I'll go through the document more thoroughly.... the message I get is: negotiation mount: mounting /rofs
[14:00] <Nubae> failed
[14:01] <fgiraldeau> check nbd setup, you may have to define two different ports for each sqashfs  images
[14:01] <fgiraldeau> You will find this config in /etc/inetd.conf
[14:01] <fgiraldeau> and in the pxeconfig file
[14:02] <Nubae> thats probably it... now I have something to go on again, thanks :-)
[14:02] <Nubae> I notice there are images /opt/ltsp/images
[14:03] <Nubae> I created 2, but of course, not sure where it loads them from
[14:03] <Nubae> this is in /etc/inetd.conf?
[14:04] <fgiraldeau> yeah, you have to define one tcp port for each image
[14:05] <Nubae> ok, so I load 2 pxeconfigs right now... one under one chroot, the other under the other chroot
[14:05] <fgiraldeau> by defaut, the port 2000 is used
[14:05] <fgiraldeau> your next image could use the 2001 port
[14:05] <Nubae> yeah this is amd64 so that was already used
[14:05] <Nubae> I had to build a i386 that uses 2001, but I'll change the 2000 to the new chroot
[14:06] <Nubae> do I need to restart nbdserver?
[14:06] <fgiraldeau> there is no nbd-server daemon, inly inetd daemon
[14:07] <fgiraldeau> restart it with : /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd
[14:07] <RichEd> dtrask: sure will ... got to catch up on a few things ... but i have lunch time free for a chat about input from the kids
[14:08] <RichEd> and 15:00 slot is free as well ... perhaps we can do a getting input from teachers
[14:09] <RichEd> dtrask: also, I've been having some informal chats around what support offering / structure would make sense for eucation ... would be keen to get some comment from you as well
[14:11] <Nubae> how do I set the pxelinux.cfg to use another port?
[14:12] <Nubae> never mind nbdport=2000 at the end of the line right?
[14:14] <Nubae> hmmm... I'm still getting the same message: Nov  1 15:14:01 mayserve nbd_server[21688]: connect from 192.168.0.70, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386-ati.img
[14:14] <Nubae> so its correct image
[14:15] <Nubae> still getting negotiation mount errors though
[14:15] <sbalneav> Back
[14:15] <Nubae> loads the correct root server, correct image, nbd ports changed...
[14:17] <Nubae> permissions?
[14:19] <Nubae> how does /opt/ltsp/images work? how are the different images handed out?
[14:19] <Nubae> ah... worked...
[14:20] <Nubae> changed the image file names and everything is ok... super... 2 chroots... nice...
[14:45] <Nubae> another total aside... when in the thin client manager, clicking on share screen brings up a black screen...
[14:45] <Nubae> is this normal?
[14:49] <sbalneav> Nubae: Yeah, it doesn't work so well.
[14:49] <sbalneav> Needs to be fixed for hardy.
[14:49] <Nubae> ok, thanks, so for now use flteachertool?
[14:50] <sbalneav> If you can get it to work, sure.
[14:50] <Nubae> actually, I can wait for hardy... prefer not to mess up the environment
[14:54] <sbalneav> ogra: Just to let you know, I'm going to sit in on the gdm rewite spec.
[14:54] <sbalneav> Since we'll probably need to be aware of some of the changes, and see what we can glom for ldmgtkgreet
[14:54] <sbalneav> Some we can use, some we can't
[14:54] <sbalneav> I can't see a good way to have face greeters
[14:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: jammcq is looking for some PDF stuff from the docteam, it's in libs/pdf/
[15:45] <ZitheR> hi every1
[15:45] <ZitheR> I have a question
[16:20] <nuba1> hi, I have a quick question about this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev, everything works out when I follow the steps, except Step 3
[16:21] <nuba1> ltspfs_fstab is not showing anything, but I know the sticks are formatted an partitioned, as they show up on the server when I stick the memory sticks in there
[16:23] <nuba1> anything else I can do to find out why local devices aren't working?
[16:32] <sbalneav> Is the file there, just empty?
[16:34] <musashi1> i have 25 students needing to print on my brand new install (test phase actaully) but can't. i've added a printer, they can see it but i can't print a test page and they get an error
[16:35] <sbalneav> musashi1: Where have you added the printer?  Is it plugged into the server?
[16:35] <musashi1> yes, into a switch and the swich into the server
[16:36] <musashi1> it has a local ip address
[16:36] <sbalneav> And as an administrator, you can print a test page?
[16:36] <musashi1> no
[16:36] <sbalneav> What kind of printer is it?
[16:36] <musashi1> trying to add again. i used ipp is that right?
[16:36] <sbalneav> no
[16:36] <musashi1> hp laserjet
[16:36] <sbalneav> No, don't use ipp
[16:36] <sbalneav> use lpd
[16:36] <musashi1> tcp?
[16:37] <sbalneav> Either socket/tcp port 9100, or lpd
[16:37] <musashi1> i have tcp/socket, hp jetdirect
[16:37] <musashi1> i don't have lpd
[16:37] <sbalneav> use that
[16:37] <sbalneav> What ip address did you give the printer?
[16:37] <musashi1> trying
[16:38] <musashi1> it got 192.168.0.240 via dhcp
[16:38] <sbalneav> That's bad.
[16:38] <sbalneav> You need to assign it a static address
[16:38] <musashi1> just installed yesterday. only testing. will give static later
[16:38] <sbalneav> OK, so long as you understand that.
[16:38] <sbalneav> so, tcp to 192.168.0.240 port 9100
[16:39] <sbalneav> print to that and it should work.
[16:39] <musashi1> score, i can print a test page
[16:39] <musashi1> now to share it with the clients
[16:39] <musashi1> global setting, share is checked. is that all i need to do?
[16:39] <sbalneav> If you've added it as administrator, they should just have it
[16:40] <sbalneav> Share would be for another server to see the printer
[16:40] <sbalneav> all your users are on the same server, so it should work as is.
[16:44] <sbalneav> musashi1: So, that work?
[16:46] <musashi1> it's working. thaks
[16:47] <musashi1> i had to have them go into printing and make default. otherwise it gave an error
[16:48] <musashi1> sbalneav, thanks again. that saved my butt. i had a class here doing real work and it's still in the test phase. i didn't plan it that way but we are a school of 1000 with ONE lab. this one makes two.
[17:06] <musashi1> one more question. anyone know why firefox doesn't let you right click and copy and image?
[17:07] <musashi1> you can copy image location (i.e. the url) but not the image. you have to save it first. kind of a pain.
[18:12] <scrapbunny> hello, I am an edubuntu newbie and wanted to know the best way to set up users for a 32 station lab. I have 600+ students in 26 classes I see each week. Do I need an account for each student or would an account for each computer (user1 through user32) be ok?
[18:17] <RichEd> scrapbunny: a lot of the people are busy at UDS in boston
[18:17] <RichEd> i suggest you send a mail to the edubuntu-devel or edubuntu-users mailing list ...
[18:18] <RichEd> are you a member of these lists ?
[18:18] <RichEd> lists.ubuntu.com <- start there
[18:19] <RichEd> dtrask: might be able to give some advice ... he's just signed in ... but be aware that he is also in a UDS discussion right now
[18:19] <RichEd> dtrask: <scrapbunny> hello, I am an edubuntu newbie and wanted to know the best way to set up users for a 32 station lab. I have 600+ students in 26 classes I see each week. Do I need an account for each student or would an account for each computer (user1 through user32) be ok?
[18:19] <RichEd> if you have a moment to share your wisdom :)
[18:20] <dtrask> RichEd: reading...
[18:21] <dtrask> scrapbunny: Each student would be best...that way they can go whereever they want and they have "roaming" profiles that follow them no matter what machine they are on.
[18:23] <scrapbunny> I was afraid you would say that :) is there any way to set the account up besides one by one?
[18:24] <dtrask> scrapbunny: one piece of advice...and this is purely from the teacher in me....go with enforced passwords.  Generate passwords for each kid and do not give them the ability to change them.  Why?  First of all, most users have lousy passwords...second of all, a LOT of time is wasted resetting forgotten passwords.  Each year I generate a list of all usernames and passwords....print up login cards for all the
[18:24] <dtrask> kids....no longer do I deal with "I forgot my password".
[18:24] <dtrask> yes there is....let me do a little research on the best way
[18:26] <scrapbunny> great, I have been trying to switch my lap of old dells to edubuntu for 2 years and finally just got a server donated and went for it with 7.10. everyone is so great on the forums and irc, i love ubuntu:)
[18:27] <dtrask> scrapbunny: hang on....trying to get you to the simplest way to do bulk user import.  Is this a server that will bascially serve a lab or a whole school?
[18:31] <highvoltage> have you guys seen http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/01/1331202&from=rss ?
[18:32] <highvoltage> hey dtrask!
[18:35] <dtrask> highvoltage: WOW!  Bastard (Steve...not you)  ;-)
[18:35] <highvoltage> dtrask: yeah :(
[18:38] <scrapbunny> dtrask: the server is just for edubuntu
[18:38] <dtrask> scrapbunny: Go here and go down to the section on installing Webmin  http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/10/ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-lamp-server.html
[18:38] <Burgundavia> scrapbunny: be aware that webmin is highly insecure software
[18:39] <dtrask> scrapbunny: I realize you're install an Edubuntu server....the directions for the install are the same
[18:40] <moquist> scrapbunny: we're all talking about you
[18:40] <moquist> :)
[18:40] <scrapbunny> burgundavia- that is the best thing about thin clients, if I screw up I only have one computer to reset :)
[18:40] <dtrask> scrapbunny: Burgundavia is right....in fact you may want to disable it once you've done your thing
[18:40] <dtrask> scrapbunny: amen to that!
[18:40] <scrapbunny> moquist-what do you mean?
[18:41] <dtrask> scrapbunny: we are all in a session discussing the best method for you without getting too geeky
[18:41] <scrapbunny> Very cool!
[18:41] <dtrask> scrapbunny: you hit the jackpot
[18:42] <dtrask> scrapbunny: we're at UDS Boston all sitting around a table working on Edubuntu specs
[18:42] <dtrask> scrapbunny: someone (I think) is writing a script just for you...hang tight
[18:43] <Burgundavia> scrapbunny: and you have compromised  hundreds of users data
[18:43] <scrapbunny> Can I just say again how much I LOVE Ubuntu and all the support
[18:43] <scrapbunny> :-*
[18:43] <dtrask> scrapbunny: Awwww  :-)
[18:45] <scrapbunny> With the help of forums and irc in one week I have: set up ubuntu 7.10 on my dell d600 laptop with all the compriz bells and media working great, set up an edubuntu 7.10 server and got 3 dell gx110 thin clients PXE booting with sound, flash and java!
[18:46] <dtrask> scrapbunny: as you learn more and more we can show you how to set up a Samba/LDAP server which will give you a central point of authentication as well as authentication for al sorts of other servers and workstations like windows.....in other words....many doors into the same room.  You users can have one username and password and one set of data regardless of paltform
[18:46] <dtrask> sp platform
[18:46] <scrapbunny> And though I have played with edubuntu before I am a linux baby with little skill  so the community is what made it all work
[18:48] <dtrask> scrapbunny: This is cool....they are discussing the finer points of the script they are writing for you  :-)
[18:50] <scrapbunny> SO AWESOME! BTW let everyone know that tux paint was a huge hit with all my students that tested for me this week, even the big bad 5th graders :)
[18:51] <dtrask> scrapbunny: in the meantime, some tips on using a spreadsheet to create your users....go to the smbldap-installer site and look at the section on Managing Users....go down near the bottom and look user the "mostly manual" section.  http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/   this gives tips on how to use autofill and force lower case...etc.
[18:54] <dtrask> scrapbunny: sit tight....they're typing fast
[18:57] <scrapbunny> No worries, I am in california so it is only noon here :)
[18:57] <scrapbunny> I was thinking everyong was already home from boston
[19:00] <pawalls> scrapbunny: So you wanted to create a ton of users easily?
[19:00] <moquist> one metric ton of users
[19:01] <dtrask> scrapbunny: ?
[19:01] <dtrask> scrapbunny: you there?
[19:01] <scrapbunny> yes pawalls, sorry I am chatting and teaching :)
[19:03] <moquist> sbalneav!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:03] <scrapbunny> I would like to create an account for each of my 600+ students. I can create an exported file of student date from access if that helps :)
[19:04] <scrapbunny> not sure if in matters but the simpilar the usernames and passwords the better since these are 1st through 5th graders
[19:06] <pawalls> So what data exactly can you export?
[19:06] <pawalls> And how do you want passwords to be generated?
[19:06] <pawalls> Is first initial + last name fine for username?
[19:06] <dtrask> or would you rather make your own pw's?
[19:06] <pawalls> or first initial + first 6 chars of last name?
[19:08] <scrapbunny> first initial last name should work. I can export names, grade, class, teacher, sex, address, anything that the school has on file
[19:08] <pawalls> Okay, so how about passwords?
[19:09] <dtrask> scrapbunny: to be prefectly honest....you won't need all that info
[19:09] <pawalls> I can generate a username from the first/last name if you export them as "firstname,lastname"
[19:09] <pawalls> To make sure it's not ambiguous w/ middle names and such.
[19:10] <pawalls> There is still the matter of passwords however.
[19:10] <scrapbunny> I would like a simple password, I was thinking thing their username and password could be the same
[19:10] <pawalls> Not concerned about them logging in as each other?
[19:10] <pawalls> I mean, that's fine if that's what you want to do.
[19:11] <scrapbunny> not really, more that they can type their username and password :)
[19:14] <scrapbunny> how i have my lab set up now with xp is that there is one student account to log in to the network that is logged in each morning. then there is a folder for each class and a folder for each student in their class folder
[19:14] <dtrask> scrapbunny: take if from someone who is a teacher in a K-8 school (me)....the kids will do fine with normal passwords...in fact it's a good habit to begin teaching.  We use passwords that look like this....  dog43bee     All the way down to 1st grade.....the kindergarteners use   "12345"  but graduate to a real password the next year
[19:15] <scrapbunny> passwords like that would be great
[19:15] <scrapbunny> that are words they can remember
[19:16] <scrapbunny> My issue in the 7 years I have been teaching here is that i only see the students once a week for 45 minutes so they forget easily :)
[19:17] <scrapbunny> I have to take my current class to lunch. I'll stay logged in so I can read any post but be back in about an hour
[19:18] <dtrask> scrapbunny: If you don't do it this year....make plans to change your method for next year.  One account per kid....that roams with them....even with XP.  In XP you can have roaming profiles that easily move with the kids regardless of machine.  I too only see my kids one day per week for 40-45 mins depending on grade level, but they have computers in their classrooms as well.  I make login cards for them (a simple
[19:18] <dtrask> mail merge from the spreadsheet you'll create).  Just giving you some food for thought as you move forward
[19:20] <pawalls> scrapbunny: Well I have a script for doing username and password the same, but I can quickly change it to using the format dtrask mentioned.
[19:20] <scrapbunny> I will totally set edubuntu up is an account and password per kid, I have no control over the windows user accounts, district tech people do, so I can't control that :(
[19:20] <pawalls> scrapbunny: Would you like me to do this? If so, I assume you want it to generate a list of username/password for your reference.
[19:21] <scrapbunny> pawalls- that would be great
[19:21] <pawalls> oka.
[19:21] <Goosemoose> hi guys
[19:22] <scrapbunny> I have to walk my students now so want ever works will be sooooo apriciated and i'll be back in about 50 minutes
[19:22] <Goosemoose> I'm setting up a few test systems to get ready to install edubuntu on 300 machines at our school
[19:23] <pawalls> And you can generate 'firstname,lastname'
[19:23] <pawalls> ?
[19:23] <Goosemoose> Right now we have 200 windows systems, and just had 500 computers donated
[19:23] <pawalls> scrapbunny: ^
[19:24] <Goosemoose> Can anyone point me in the right direction of setting things up so that the students log in but the authentication is against an Active Directory server? I want the students to still be logging in so I can map their user folder on the windows server and so that their internet access is still logged
[19:24] <Goosemoose> I'm not sure if Samba is enough for this?
[19:24] <Goosemoose> Also, is anyone here using edubuntu as a thin client? I'm curious as to what the speed difference is
[19:27] <Goosemoose> anyone?
[19:28] <sbalneav> I beleive it is
[19:28] <pawalls> quick hack for generating username/password the same: http://pastebin.ca/757941
[19:28] <sbalneav> smbldap is what you need, it does that sort of thing.
[19:29] <sbalneav> As for thin clients, lots of us here are using edubuntu/ltsp5 thin clients
[19:31] <dtrask> Goosemoose: contact moquist...he can point you in the right direction I think
[19:34] <Goosemoose> dtrask, regarding the logins?
[19:34] <Goosemoose> Ok, I'll check out smbldap
[19:35] <Goosemoose> How's the speed on the thin clients vs loading off the HD?
[19:35] <Goosemoose> I like the idea of only having to install things on the server
[19:35] <Goosemoose> Windows is a PIA when pushing programs
[19:38] <Goosemoose> doh, both the talking people left!
[19:46] <Goosemoose> those of you using thin clients. What ratio of clients/servers do you have? What are the specs of the servers?
[19:55] <ogra> Goosemoose, general rule of thumb is 256M to run the server processes plus 128M for every running session
[19:56] <ogra> so for 10 clients you should have 256+(10*128)=1.5 gig of ram
[19:57] <moquist> Goosemoose: we have some servers with 80-100TCs in 4G of ram, dual xeon...but that's a bit much, really
[20:05] <Goosemoose> ok, so i'd need to look at a few
[20:05] <Goosemoose> im thinking that ill test out the thin clients in one building for now
[20:05] <Goosemoose> and use install on the other hd's for now
[20:05] <Goosemoose> moquist, are you authenticating logins against an AD Server?
[20:08] <Goosemoose> orga, are you running thin clients, or installing workstations to hd?
[20:12] <moquist> Goosemoose: no. it's too much work (IMO). We might someday. For now we're authenticating XP against Samba/LDAP running on ubuntu servers.
[20:16] <scrapbunny> Ok I'm back, give me a minute to read what i missed :)
[20:20] <Goosemoose> moquist, ok so you'
[20:20] <Goosemoose> are going the other way around
[20:20] <Goosemoose> we have 200 xp machines right now and have to keep those due to some other programs we run
[20:21] <scrapbunny> goosemoose- I just started seting up my lab with edubuntu 7.10 server and gx 110 machines as thin clients. are all of the machines you had donated the same?
[20:21] <Goosemoose> 2 types
[20:21] <Goosemoose> both dells
[20:21] <Goosemoose> P4 2.2 and Celeron 1.7
[20:21] <moquist> Goosemoose: we have >350 xp machines
[20:22] <Goosemoose> How do the users login to the ubuntu machines?
[20:22] <Goosemoose> same username and pass?
[20:22] <moquist> yes
[20:22] <moquist> same home directory
[20:22] <Goosemoose> ok so the home dir is on the linux server though?
[20:23] <Goosemoose> username/pass is not in AD , it's on a linux server?
[20:23] <moquist> we don't have a windows server at all
[20:23] <Goosemoose> ahh
[20:23] <Goosemoose> I have 4
[20:24] <Goosemoose> I'm slowly merging things over, but these have to stay
[20:24]  * moquist understands
[20:24] <Goosemoose> Have you hard of authenticating against AD?
[20:24] <scrapbunny> goosemoose- do you just want to have the same username or you you want people to be able to access everything on their xp accounts?
[20:25] <Goosemoose> Well, I want the user to be able to access their files on the win2003 server, which they could now if they browse to the folder and type in their name/pass
[20:25] <moquist> Goosemoose: sure, it's just a lot of work to set it up as cleanly as we already have it without AD...and I've never actually seen it work. You usually ed up with two home directories.
[20:25] <Goosemoose> i also want the students to log in before using the internet, which works as firefoxs asks for their win username & pass
[20:25] <moquist> it's easy if you don't care about having two home directories.
[20:25] <Goosemoose> that could be a problem
[20:26] <moquist> they can get to one from the other, but they're still separate directories.
[20:26] <moquist> i.e., they can get to the Linux dir from Winders, and vice-versa.
[20:26] <moquist> (depending on how much setup you do)
[20:26] <Goosemoose> If I left the systems as is, without setting anything up and just told every student to log in with the same username/pass for edubuntu they'd still have to use their name & pass for internet and their files. the problem is easily mapping the drives for them would require knowing their windows name/pass
[20:27] <moquist> Goosemoose: are you going to have more than one linux box (not counting thin clients)?
[20:27] <Goosemoose> I think I'm going to do 30 thin clients on one server
[20:27] <Goosemoose> And 200 normal clients
[20:27] <Goosemoose> I don't have the server power right now to run all 230-270 on thin clients
[20:28] <Goosemoose> I could easily setup a few of these dells as servers i guess
[20:28] <moquist> Goosemoose: ok; as soon asyou use more than one linux box (not counting TCs) then the AD setup gets difficult (IMO and in my experience).
[20:28] <scrapbunny> how many different models and video cards do you have with the donated computers goosemoose?
[20:28] <Goosemoose> you talking about as a server, or even just local installs of edubunto for student use?
[20:28] <Goosemoose> scrapbunny, i believe just 2. i haven't been through all the machines yet
[20:29] <Goosemoose> scrapbunny, on the machines i installed already all the included drivers worked. although i haven't tried any 3d stuff yet
[20:30] <Goosemoose> I'm just afraid that if the students dont have their own name & pass, they will do things like check the save password box in firefox
[20:30] <Goosemoose> and then anyone would use their account
[20:32] <scrapbunny> on your question of speed I have so far found that the gx110 boxes I have are running faster as thin clients and I didn't have to add memory. if you want them to run ubuntu 7.10 off the harddrive you will need 512 memory for all the goodies to run well
[20:33] <Goosemoose> I do have 512 on them. They are actually faster as thin clients than as running off the HD? What type of processor do the gx110 have?
[20:33] <scrapbunny> now I am not running the full 32 computers from one server yet though
[20:34] <Goosemoose> These are GX260's
[20:34] <Goosemoose> oh ok
[20:34] <Goosemoose> how many at one time?
[20:34] <dtrask> ogra: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
[20:36] <scrapbunny> I am up to 5 running flash internet stuff at the same time right now. personally I would not use 260 as thin clients. I have a 260 and 240 set up with edubuntu on the hard drive and they run awesome with all the bells and whistles
[20:38] <michelp> howdy!
[20:41] <scrapbunny> goosemoose- i would get one machine all set up and then copy the harddrive to set up the rest. that would save you from buying or finding 10 servers (if you do the server for every 30 computers)
[20:42] <scrapbunny> howdy michelp how is uds going?
[20:42] <Goosemoose> scrapbunny, that's what i was thinking about. or even copying an image to the server and loading the image remotely
[20:43] <Goosemoose> im just thinking about how i would push updates to the machines
[20:43] <Goosemoose> is there a way to do that or would i need to reimage them all or install the program manually?
[20:44] <Goosemoose> script it somehow?
[20:44] <scrapbunny> dtrask- is pawalls script the one everyone was working on or should I try something else?
[20:46] <Goosemoose> what do you guys use to lock down the machines so students dont change all the settings?
[20:46] <Goosemoose> install their own stuff, etc
[20:46] <Goosemoose> on windows I'm so used to just using group policies
[20:46] <scrapbunny> i bet there is a script. For the school computers here that are xp I have a group of upper graders I call the Tech Squad and they do updates and installs for me. with ubuntu it would be pretty easiy to train some kids to do the work for you :)
[20:46] <dtrask> scrapbunny: yes...pawalls wrote the script
[20:46] <Goosemoose> i've run linux servers for years, this is totally different running workstations
[20:47] <scrapbunny> great and please thank everyone there :-*
[20:47] <Goosemoose> I run all 200 machines right now myself just using servers and pushing programs. Much different using ubuntu though
[20:50] <Goosemoose> what do you guys use to lock down the machines so students dont change all the settings?
[20:50] <scrapbunny> goosemoose - i think this book has the hacks you want to upgrade a ton of machines http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=254339
[20:51] <Goosemoose> ok, getting it now
[20:55] <michelp> alrightythen.  scrapbunny to answer your question i am not actually attending UDS, we are a separate Canonical team that happens to be sprinting here in the same location as UDS
[20:55] <michelp> but we get to eat their food ;)
[20:56] <Ahmuck> hi.  edubuntu will almost install entirely, then it aborts
[20:59] <scrapbunny> michelp- are you a person that has any say in getting most tshirt designs? I want to get some shirts and long sleeve stuff :)
[21:00] <scrapbunny> goosemoose- before creating a harddrive image just setup your user groups so the students are limited users
[21:01] <michelp> scrapbunny, no i'm afraid i have no influence on those things
[21:02] <scrapbunny> ahmuck- which edubuntu are you trying to install on what kind of machine?
[21:02] <Goosemoose> scrapbunny,ok, easy enough. hmm, i bet i could write a script to map the users folders
[21:03] <Goosemoose> is their a mass create user tool? i'd have to create all 1300 accounts on each machine
[21:03] <Goosemoose> ugh, the problem would be what to do if a student transferred in
[21:05] <scrapbunny> goosemoose-i would check the ubuntu forums or #ubuntu irc and see how people set up their user accounts. i bet there is a way to just access the windows accounts
[21:06] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:07] <scrapbunny> i have found everyone soooo super helpful and smart I'm sure there is a cheat out there :)
[21:07] <Goosemoose> lol
[21:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Goosemoose, 1300 accounts on each box?
[21:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> time to implimenent a Directory....
[21:08] <Goosemoose> i have windows 2003 directories i want to authenticate against
[21:08] <Goosemoose> that's the hope
[21:08] <Goosemoose> since the students are moving between windows and edubuntu machines
[21:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> look at pam_ldap
[21:09] <Goosemoose> looking...
[21:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont think the equivilant configuration thing works though :| its broken in debian at least
[21:09] <scrapbunny> see, I told you helpful and smart :)
[21:11] <Goosemoose> man stuff is flowing there so fast, i dont think ive seen any responses
[21:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> #ubuntu? how many people does it have these days?
[21:11] <Ahmuck> edubuntu server on vbox - gutsy
[21:12] <Goosemoose> 1300!
[21:12] <Goosemoose> Kamping_Kaiser, its nuts in there
[21:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> Goosemoose, lol, its grown a bit since i was there last. looks like the lobby idea hasnt gone through yet *grin*
[21:15] <Goosemoose> well at least im getting some answers :) http://indianalinux.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html
[21:15] <Goosemoose> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto
[21:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Goosemoose, good luck with it
[21:16]  * Kamping_Kaiser will be back in 2.5 hours at work
[21:16] <Goosemoose> thanks
[21:21] <scrapbunny> well i am off to play with my script and see if i can get my student accounts set up. thanks everyone
[21:22] <scrapbunny> i'll be back with more questions I'm sure :)
[21:24] <asac> its something like:
[21:24]  * moquist listens
[21:24] <asac> bzr bd --export-upstream=/path/pristine/upstream/branch --merge .
[21:25] <moquist> asac: thx
[21:51] <Goosemoose> Any idea why I can perform an nslookup from a terminal and it returns the correct ip, i can ping the ip and it works, but pinging the fqdn doesn't work (this is pinging a local windows server)
[21:53] <sbalneav> dns problem.
[21:54] <sbalneav> what does host.fqdn return?
[21:54] <sbalneav> sorry, host host.fqdn
[21:56] <Goosemoose> let me look
[21:57] <Goosemoose> host r2d2 and host r2d2.dhs.local both return the correct ip
[22:04] <Goosemoose> ping r2d2 works
[22:04] <Goosemoose> ping r2d2.dhs.local does not
[22:19] <Goosemoose> hmm, i dont remember edubuntu asking me for an admin password when installing, should it have?
[22:19] <Burgundavia_> Goosemoose: your first user is your admin
[22:20] <Burgundavia_> we have no root user
[22:21] <Goosemoose> hmm, i tried su -
[22:21] <Goosemoose> then entered in the users password but i was told it's invalid
[22:21] <Goosemoose> i didnt realize ubuntu had no root user, good to know
[22:21] <Burgundavia_> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[22:23] <Goosemoose> soo, if i can log onto the user, why can't i do things like edit the ntpdate file?
[22:24] <Goosemoose> oh i see
[22:24] <Goosemoose> br , thanks Burgundavia
[22:40] <kgoetz> technically it does have a root user
[22:40] <kgoetz> but by default you cant log into it
[22:41] <Goosemoose> yeah i just read that
[22:41] <Goosemoose> ok, im going to shoot this damn thing
[22:41] <Goosemoose> how in the hell can i 'ping r2d2' but not 'ping r2d2.dhs.local'
[22:41] <Goosemoose> that just makes NO sense!
[22:42] <kgoetz> i have to agree with teh dns theory
[22:42] <kgoetz> do you have r2d2 in your hosts file?
[22:56] <Goosemoose> no
[22:56] <Goosemoose> i have a windows dns server
[22:57] <Goosemoose> which the ubundtu machine is obviously looking at as it can resolve r2d2 !
[22:57] <kgoetz> have you checked th servers logs?
[22:58] <kgoetz> does `host -v r2d2.dhs.local <ip of server>` tell you anything?
[22:59] <Goosemoose> it tells me the name and address
[22:59] <Goosemoose> no alias
[22:59] <Goosemoose> r2d2 is the dns server by the way!
[22:59] <Goosemoose> but the same thing happens when pinging any of the machines on the network i've tried
[23:00] <kgoetz> check the server logs
[23:01] <Goosemoose> hmm