[00:02] still figuring out this whole building KDE while in Kubuntu [00:02] I have stuff built, just sure how to check if what I am running is what I built or not [00:03] Ooooh I have this one I think [00:04] http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/kde4-bash-functions/ [00:05] usefull++ [00:05] thanks [00:06] Yeah [01:26] * Jucato waves good evening/morning/afternoon [01:30] hey [01:31] hi [01:31] !seen nixternal [01:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen nixternal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:31] bah.. no such function? :D [01:31] heh [01:35] Jucato: /msg seenserv seen nixternal [01:35] ;) [01:35] back from dinner [01:35] although, it will just tell you I am here on IRC with you :) [01:36] back from pizza breakfast :) [01:36] hehehe [01:36] mmm, pizza sounds good [01:36] some IRC bots have smartass answers though... something like "Open your eyes! Foo is in here right now!" [01:36] I am sittin' in class, and it looks like I am about the only loser sitting here [01:36] everyone has gone home but me :) [01:37] whoa? still at school? [01:40] sorry you are still at school [01:40] hehe [01:40] olmost 9 o'clock pm for you right? [01:41] gotta learn how to be cool like you all are [01:41] shoot, this class typically goes until 10pm [01:41] * Jucato is uncool :) [01:41] can someone help me out with a couple things? [01:41] but the teacher went through and we did our ajax stuff and said "that's it, have a nice night" [01:41] so, I am going to head home now, see you in a bit [01:41] yay! take care [01:41] later [01:41] jjesse: how's UDS coming along? and how's kwwi? [01:41] + PCRE: Perl Compatible Regular Expression Provide better regular expression support in KJS.+ ALSA, 1.0.14a: current alsa-lib is needed for dmix and virtual device listing [01:42] O.o [01:42] are there packages for these? [01:42] kwii's ok, very nice in real life [01:42] UDS is great [01:42] I thought you were staying away from him last night :D [01:42] I am building kdelibs and it suggests that it would be nice if i had those [01:43] of course there are :) [01:43] !info libpcre3 [01:43] libpcre3: Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 7.2-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 189 kB, installed size 388 kB [01:43] !info libpcre3-dev [01:43] libpcre3-dev: Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - development files. In component main, is optional. Version 7.2-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 233 kB, installed size 592 kB [01:43] that's probably what you'll need [01:44] Jucato: that was this morning [01:44] cause he was cranky and sick [01:44] oh yeah.. morning... :/ [01:44] I installed them, the kde environnment doesn't seem to find them [01:44] :( [01:51] wow Jucato you're big on longwinded posts, huh [01:52] yuriy: yeah it seems so... need to cut down really... [01:52] (the first draft was .5 longer than that one though :P) [01:54] and i think edubuntu is at least as officially supported as kubuntu is, at least they do get shipit [01:54] poor xubuntu :( [01:56] hi ju [01:56] hi das [01:56] Jucato: goes to rabidness [01:57] which was the long post? [01:57] * Jucato innocently whistles [01:57] was that the one where he says he hates kubuntu [01:57] * jjesse ducks [01:58] quack [01:58] it would probably have been easier if I hated Kubuntu, wouldn't it? :( [01:59] yeah it would have [01:59] have you had feedback on your post? [01:59] 30 so far [01:59] nice, will have to read [02:00] Digg! [02:00] please no! :/ [02:00] I'd rather it be kept within the more sane *buntu community [02:00] but even in the community, there are crackpots... :) [02:00] "As a GNOME user i’ll ask so what if Kubuntu is going down the drain?" [02:01] wow don't agree with the whole rm -rf *Riddell [02:01] I'm being deleted? [02:01] one of the comments from Jucato's post says to remove Riddel from Kubuntu if i read the comment correctly [02:01] I think he mistook you for a GNOME dev :) [02:01] http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/ [02:02] but the command won't work. [02:02] you've tried? [02:02] rm: cannot remove `riddell': No such file or directory [02:02] Linux is case sensitive :) [02:02] needs to be context sensitive :) [02:03] imbrandon: Dude! [02:04] Jucato: what the hell? [02:04] Jucato: remove riddell? [02:04] heh yeah I did get some very interesting comments :) [02:13] Is there a korean chan? [02:13] !kr [02:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about kr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [02:13] none [02:13] (it seems) [02:14] there's a KDE Koran channel on an obscure irc server [02:15] #kde at the HanIRC server [02:15] there seems to be #ubuntu-ko [02:15] in basket, how do I make notes so they can be moved around freeform? [02:15] right-click on the basket -> Properties -> Disposition [02:16] i was thinking today about how i'd want basket features in korganizer [02:17] have the nice click anywhere and start typing thing to make events, and merge the todo list features [02:18] Jucato: thanks [02:18] np :) [02:18] Jucato: isn't that north korea? [02:18] that I don't know.... [02:20] are there any issues with ubuntu shutting down and then not bringing the machine back up properly? [02:20] I'd imagine it's south korea [02:21] dasKreech: not that I know of [02:21] you know... after setting up compiz to act right with kde, I found some programs hat really should be in our repositories [02:22] kicker-compiz and taskbar-compiz [02:22] Such as> [02:22] ok [02:22] the former is a modified pager, and the latter a taskbar that is "desk space" friendly [02:27] oh, interesting [02:27] yeah? [02:27] they fix the pager and taskbar problems? [02:28] or are they separate 3rd party apps? [02:28] so if I build my own KDE4 apps and want to submit a bug report, is it valid to put it in launchpad or is that a strictly kde.org thing? [02:28] but it still kinda sucks that they have to do it all externally :( [02:28] begert: Did you submit them to KDE? [02:28] I have done nothing yet? [02:29] begert: bugs.kde.org [02:29] begert: you mean built KDE 4 from SVN? [02:29] heh, not a question [02:29] yes, built from SVN [02:29] then Riddell's answer is the one :) [02:29] nosrednaekim: packages welcome :) [02:30] Riddell: I'm not a packager (and really can't be too easily since I am on dial-up) [02:30] Riddell: just normal updates are hard for me. [02:30] k, thanks [02:30] nosrednaekim: do the next best thing... find someone who will :D [02:30] * Jucato thinks jpatrick is still looking for stuff to do... [02:30] begert: Oh Built... sorry wrong context [02:31] Jucato: yeah...jpatrick isn't around [02:31] nosrednaekim: or wait... don't we have a compiz team? maybe that'd be their area of responsibility [02:31] do we? [02:31] * Jucato thought we did... [02:32] better ask in -motu [02:32] ok [02:34] Riddell: the new printer tool won't be a kcm? [02:35] yuriy: it'll be qt4, so not sure [02:35] yuriy: in KDE4? [02:35] nosrednaekim: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup [02:35] Riddell: were you able to read my comment about the Flash install script earlier? [02:35] Jucato: nope [02:35] nosrednaekim: in kde 3. i saw that it is going to be PyQt 4 which is why i'm asking [02:36] * Jucato greps [02:36] yuriy: ehh never mind misinformed me ;) [02:36] yuriy: we can probably load it from system settings, but not integrate it properly [02:36] Riddell: comment on the Codec installation: with Flash in Konqueror, currently it uses a different script and installs to the user's $HOME right? shouldn't it be done like Amarok/Kaffeine and use adept-batch to install flashplugin-nonfree? [02:38] Jucato: yes it maybe should, but the current one works so I don't plan to change it [02:38] * dasKreech waves at CPrgmSwR2 [02:38] hey [02:38] I am wondering if kde4-beta4 is being worked on or is the packages made yet? [02:38] CPrgmSwR2: yes, but buildds are being slow with the debian imports [02:38] Riddell: ok. I'm guessing no one's complaining yet that when they installed Flash in one user, other users don't get it as well? [02:39] ouch.. chest hurts brb... [02:39] Jucato: Oh no wonder I had that issue [02:39] :-( [02:39] Jucato: I've not heard any complaints [02:39] asthma attack [02:39] Riddell: I have had issues with that [02:39] he'll be back [02:40] Riddell: will the beta4 take place of beta3 once its released? [02:41] CPrgmSwR2: it'll be in gutsy-backports [02:42] back... [02:42] dang that hurt.. not asthma though [02:42] Hobbsee: ping [02:42] morning Hobbsee! [02:42] hiya! [02:42] dasKreech: pong [02:42] Jucato: jalepeno balut pizza? [02:42] Hey Hobbsee :) [02:42] How are you? [02:42] ew! [02:42] doing OK [02:43] done one prac, and a lecture [02:43] Hobbsee: Hows tracker? [02:43] purged. [02:43] :) [02:43] i dont hav emuch use for desktop search [02:45] Hobbsee: So no impressions of it? [02:45] * Jucato likes the gnome deskbar [02:45] I hear if KDE had a deskbar... about twice a week [02:46] pffft, KDE has so many OTHER things that GNOME doesn't [02:46] you can add "if KDE had a panel drawer" from me [02:46] what's a deskbar? [02:46] dasKreech: appears to work, but i prefer battery life [02:46] http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/ [02:47] oh better site: http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/deskbar.html [02:47] nosrednaekim: Yes but people like delicious [02:47] Jucato: Umm we don't? [02:47] and it doesn't depend on tracker (only recommends) [02:47] so like the strigi applet but looks better? [02:47] I'm almost sure KDE had a panel drawer [02:48] umm and what's a panel drawer then? [02:48] yuriy: somewhat, but doesn't depend on a search engine like tracker... dunno what it uses [02:48] yuriy: have you seen OS X Leopard's new Stacks feature for the Dock yet? [02:48] Jucato: no, i haven't looked at Leopard [02:49] * Jucato looks for good links [02:49] i imagine we'll be upgrading the lab macs at some point, and then i'll have a look [02:49] so does anyone have any problems w/ delete taking forver in dolphin [02:49] takes longer then vista's delete [02:49] i've had delete take forever before, not sure why, but i doubt it's dolphin's fault [02:50] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135932 decent addition to a bug report? [02:50] KDE bug 135932 in general "KFind crash when clicking "stop"" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [02:50] Jucato: gnome deskbar uses beagle [02:51] tracker in Gutsy [02:51] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/gnome/deskbar-applet [02:51] well anyways, depends on a search engine [02:51] no depends on beagle or tracker... only recommends... [02:52] did edgy have beagle or tracker? because that was the first (and last) time I tried the deskbar [02:53] yuriy, dasKreech: the GNOME drawer is like the quicklaunch applet, except that it can hide/show by clicking a button on the panel. it doesn't take up that much space [02:53] doesn't sound terribly useful, now you need 2 clicks for "quick" launch [02:53] there are workarounds for KDE to have that, but not that easy to do [02:54] if space is a luxury you can't afford, it's useful :) [02:54] if you have so much stuff in there that you need another click to show the whole thing, that's the kmenu [02:54] specially if you have, say more than 6 apps there? [02:54] and in the kmenu you'll have at least 3 clicks :) [02:55] anyways, just my personal wishlist :) [02:55] how so? you don't need to click on submenus, so anything in there is exactly 2 clicks away [02:55] One if you start with alt+f1 [02:55] also the hide button itself would waste space [02:56] dasKreech: ok, actions [02:56] Alncelot has that down to one [02:56] lancelot [02:56] yuriy: you're right, 2 clicks only.. but then you'd have to also navigate through the menus. not really that quick either [02:56] is that a new start menu? [02:56] lancelot? [02:56] It's a launcher [02:56] yeah [02:57] wehn beta4 spits out you can play with it [02:57] well not a "Start" menu (we'll get sued!) [02:57] * Jucato wonders why his chest is hurting... [02:57] It's not even close to a Start Menu [02:57] Do you do pucshups? [02:57] nope [02:58] hmm [02:58] I think what yuriy meant by Start menu was a main menu (like K menu) [02:58] So it's not muscles growing [02:58] I don't think lancelot is that either [02:58] hm.. gas... heartburn.. dunno... anyway it stopped again.. [02:58] I'm not sure I like it yet [02:58] it is definitely a main menu [02:59] we shall see [02:59] basically a launcher would be like katapult or krunner [02:59] well lancelot is supposed to be a mouseless launcher [02:59] That for some reason currently uses the mouse [02:59] and looks like a menu. :) [03:00] anyway, it is a sort of parking lot. "launching lot" = lancelot :) [03:00] Yeah it's a round of laffs :) [03:00] still not sure I like it [03:00] Esp since it can't die yet [03:01] * yuriy never said Start menu [03:01] oh sorry, that was jjesse [03:01] * Jucato needs to look at the colors more closely [03:01] * yuriy doesn't have colors [03:01] * Jucato does [03:01] Jucato: i thought thats waht it was from the images i saw [03:01] dasKreech: it's not supposed to be mouseless, just clickless [03:01] as lest thats what it looked like to me [03:01] ah [03:01] ok [03:01] still not sure I like it [03:02] but it uses hovering to replace clicks, which just sounds annoying to me [03:02] you don't have to :) [03:02] there's a (configurable?) delay for it anyway [03:02] * Jucato wonders if we'll be using custom/special icons for the new XDG Home Dirs... [03:03] I hope they have hover back in for Kickoff [03:03] * ScottK recalls that being discussed at UDS. I think we need to just have some. [03:03] Right now the mix of hovering and clicking really bugs me [03:03] Go raptor! [03:03] ScottK: Crystal SVG already has some [03:04] something like icons w/ overlays [03:04] Jucato: Then it should be simple. I know they already work as I've got one for my Documents dir on this box. The /home was copied over from opensuse when I switched and the icon came with it. [03:05] The KDE4 icons already do overlays and emblems right? === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [03:05] yeah I used to do that to my home dirs too... but I ran out of "overlays" :) [03:05] dasKreech: not the ones for file icons I think... not really sure === LongPointyStick is now known as DeadlyLongPointy === DeadlyLongPointy is now known as DeadlyPointyStic [03:05] Ok [03:05] * dasKreech backs away from the danger [03:06] DeadlyPointyStic: aw.. :( === DeadlyPointyStic is now known as DeadlyPointStick [03:06] i don't know why i find qt designer so confusing [03:06] "Alter applications to use the relevent directory by default. Amarok to use Music, Kaffeine to use Video, Digikam to use Photos, KOffice to use Documents, Konqueror to Downloads." <-- I wonder how you can set Konqueror to always download into Downloads... [03:06] yuriy: Qt 4? [03:06] Jucato: yeah [03:07] it helps if you don't have all the palettes open at once :) === DeadlyPointStick is now known as Hobbsee [03:07] er... "Tools" === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [03:07] well even just the properties pallet [03:07] te === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [03:08] I think most people already familiar with GUI designers are familiar with that setup, from Visual foo maybe? [03:08] every time i go try to use designer it just makes me want to code the GUI [03:09] you always can :) [03:09] Jucato: i've used VB before, but that was a long time ago [03:09] I haven't looked much into Visual foo actually... [03:09] well just now i was thinking of starting on a ui for the printer thing because seele's blog got me excited abou tit [03:09] *about it [03:09] I was saved early on by Linux [03:09] O.o [03:09] nice typo :) [03:10] hate that typo, make it all the time too [03:11] yuriy: just embrace tit [03:12] tsk tsk... now that's not a typo :P [03:12] hello? [03:12] hi? [03:12] just thought this was a good moment for greetings [03:13] great timing! :) [03:15] sorry we dont allow greetings here [03:15] aw shucks! [03:15] hello Jucato [03:15] :P [03:15] haha :) [03:15] greetings! [03:15] ey claydoh! h [03:15] lol too late as usual [03:16] jjesse: i'll find you tomorrow and greet you! [03:16] * claydoh watches ghost hunters, its live....and booooorring [03:16] n8k99: looking forward to it [03:17] hello Jucato [03:54] wow found a bug still refrencing 5.10 [03:55] i want a kubuntu coffee cup *sniffle* [04:03] cafepress? [04:10] Any suggestions where to start looking if the keyboard quits working for one and only one user on a Kubuntu Gutsy box just after login? [04:13] in #kubuntu [04:13] ScottK: don't know happens to me every now and again [04:13] I just use the mouse and logout and sudden;y it's working again [04:14] dasKreech: That shound different than this. It's gone and stays gone. I mentioned it to Riddell at UDS and his eyebrow raised. [04:15] I give for tonight. Good night all. [05:24] hey guys when will be beta4 of kde 4 available for Kubuntu? [05:30] within the next day or so...UDS is swamping us right now [05:30] [Thu Nov 1 2007] [10:38:52] I am wondering if kde4-beta4 is being worked on or is the packages made yet? [05:30] [Thu Nov 1 2007] [10:39:09] CPrgmSwR2: yes, but buildds are being slow with the debian imports [05:30] (sorry for those highlighted) === nixternal changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | We will have KDE 4 Beta 4 for Gutsy done within the next day or so [05:30] :) [05:31] that is getting asked quite a bit [05:31] hehe [05:31] our buildd's are struggling [05:31] you have to admit, it's highly unusual for Kubuntu to be behind :) [05:31] yea [05:31] can't help it...it is just Riddell and I doing the builds right now..and we have 2 new package introductions [05:31] nixternal: I presume you're home now? or still at school? :D [05:31] I hope it is usable :) [05:31] I am home [05:32] lnxkde: you can always compile from SVN and see for yourself :D [05:32] lnxkde: it should be usable, we are including the new kdebase-runtime and the plasma-playground [05:32] nixternal: hm.. about that... haven't some of the plasmoids been moved to extragear or something? [05:32] Jucato: no thankx ;) I leaved Gentoo becouse it takes a lot of (&$%)($&^ time! compiling things [05:32] OK, it seems Riddell's changes have been posted, now I just need them to build, point my schroot sources.list at the ppa, and build away :) [05:33] nixternal: nice [05:33] tomorrow I should get some time [05:33] nah, KDE4 doesn't take much time [05:33] you can compile kde4 in less than 2 hours time...and that is pretty much everything [05:33] except on a monday, that is a dangerous day to attempt the build [05:33] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/plasma/ [05:34] and of course http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/ [05:34] oh well... :/ [05:34] no I will not get pesuaded to build it ;) I will not sleep if I sart playing with code [05:34] and I got java class tomorow [05:34] ooh java [05:35] * Jucato can't relate, but nixternal sure can :) [05:35] lnxkde: Java FTW! :) [05:35] java = sucks Its too slow and eats resorces [05:35] but well [05:35] I have been trying to get ODBC and JDBC working nicely in Linux so I can do a DB demo tomorrow, but it isn't working as planned [05:35] that is collage [05:35] oh I just remembered.. nixternal, yuriy was also interested in doing a UI for the printer config thingy [05:36] none of my code is slow, nor does it eat resources....our class would lose points for such a thing [05:36] good, he can do it then :) [05:36] lol [05:36] well even my profesor code is slow to load [05:36] :s [05:36] or maybe is just my pc.... [05:37] * Jucato wonders what language they'll be using in his CS course next year.... [05:37] besides English of course... [05:37] I just wrote a multithreaded client/server address book to demo, tested and fixed all memory leaks, which originally there were quite a few...and it is pretty snappy [05:37] wow that is nice [05:37] we do stupid stuff [05:37] things that have no use... [05:38] I will admit that java is not what people say it is anymore...you go back to <1.4, it was a mess [05:38] nixternal: how does it compare to kaddressbook now? I'm really looking forward to a saner app :) [05:38] haha [05:38] for example... geocities.com/lnxkde/StickAnimals.html [05:38] when I am finished with it, you will have several connection choices [05:38] ya, I hate applets, those are slow [05:39] I have urged the professor to stay away from them, as they are freakin' useless [05:39] although she doesn't listen [05:39] well that is way I hate Java so much [05:39] my profesor uses Java for applets mostly! [05:39] lnxkde: hahah, that is cool actually [05:39] nixternal: brb [05:40] thanks for the warning Jucato [05:40] er.. that wasn't meant to be direct :? [05:40] :) [05:40] lol sorry [05:40] I was about to say something, forgot. then needed to brb [05:40] bah! I'm really losing some sKrews [05:40] nixternal: what is cool? [05:40] the lil kitties [05:40] my applet? Thankx.... did you see the one that killed the other one [05:40] hahahahahaha, wth [05:40] the big cat jumped the little cat [05:41] that was my second exam.. [05:41] and well the little one should be a mouse but I just reused the code and -rested some numbers to make it litle [05:41] LOL [05:42] hehe [05:42] for example... geocities.com/lnxkde/StickAnimals.java [05:42] I have only done one or two applets in my time, and never once did I like them [05:42] that is the code [05:43] nothing I hate more than .draw* and .paint and .repaint [05:43] lol [05:43] unless you are going to be mapping stuff, totally useless, and confusing as all hell [05:44] I don't even like looking at draw* code at all, leads to a migrane :) [05:44] lol [05:44] sorry ;) [05:44]