[00:51] <_hopex> jrib: are the updates necesary or recommended?
[00:51] <jrib> hi
[00:51] <jrib> depends on the update
[00:52] <jrib> it would be updates directly from innotek
[00:52] <jrib> basically, whenever they put a new .deb on their website, you don't have to go check for it and download it yourself
[00:54] <_hopex> and if I donwload the .deb file would it onstall another copy or update the existing one?
[00:54] <jrib> update
[00:55] <jrib> it would be like windows
[00:55] <_hopex> I'll try it by now... And check if it works usefully fast.
[00:55] <jrib> you check the website for a new version, download it and install it.   Instead of letting the package manager do all the work and then ask you if you want to update
[00:56] <_hopex> I need 10240 Mb is that 1Gb or 10Gb ?
[00:57] <jrib> closer to 10...
[00:57] <_hopex> oh...
[00:57] <_hopex> I'm running out of space...
[00:58] <_hopex> how can I check the available space in the system?
[00:58] <jrib> df -h
[00:58] <jrib> or applications -> accessories -> disk usage analyzer
[00:58] <_hopex> ok, but how can I know wich is the dev Im using?
[00:59] <jrib> you can check the output of 'mount'
[00:59] <_hopex> sorry, I seeI have 5,9 G free
[01:00] <_hopex> Would virtual box run with, let's say 2Gb or 3 max?
[01:01] <jrib> ram?
[01:01] <_hopex> I have 11 Gb free in a NTFS partition. Wich it isnt good for this purpose, is it usefull?
[01:01] <_hopex> I wish it was RAM :D
[01:01] <jrib> you can *probably* use the ntfs space
[01:02] <_hopex> what if it is not good? Would my data be broken? How can I make sure?
[01:03] <_hopex> or can I use the 3Gb ??
[01:06] <jrib> _hopex: if windows fits on 3gb, sure
[01:07] <_hopex> jrib: not sure what to do. Using the NTFS would be more suitable for my because i guess I'll need the space for linux. But if the data of that partition brakes, I have no backup? What would you choose?
[01:08] <jrib> _hopex:  I do not use ntfs and do would not write to it on linux without backups
[01:09] <jrib> darren: first we need a mount point for the drive, so: sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[01:09] <jrib> darren: or name it whatever you want but be consistent
[01:10] <_hopex> I have backup for linux so, lets push new and use a couple of GB for windows. One question, does virtual box make a big file or a directory tree?
[01:10] <darren> jrib: ok
[01:10] <jrib> _hopex: one big file
[01:11] <_hopex> wait a second... I have another machine with 76Gb free! That's the one!
[01:11] <_hopex> I'll install virtual box in that one, older machine. So I can try before risking the laptop hd.
[01:12] <jrib> _hopex: good idea
[01:12] <jrib> darren: done with that?
[01:12] <darren> jrib: yup
[01:12] <jrib> darren: pastebin output of 'mount' for me real quick
[01:13] <darren> jrib: http://pastebin.com/d36ba3cb0
[01:13] <_hopex> i cannot copy to the shared folder, ho w do I do that from a console?
[01:14] <jrib> _hopex: what shared folder?
[01:14] <jrib> darren: k, now edit your fstab: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:15] <_hopex> i wanted to copy the deb file to the samba shared dir in the old machine, but not working
[01:15] <jrib> darren: add the line: UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:15] <_hopex> anyway, I will add the repository and install by apt-get
[01:15] <jrib> _hopex: oh, I know nothing about samba, maybe ask #ubuntu again
[01:16] <darren> jrib: so if I called the drive windows my line would read? UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:17] <_hopex> anyway wich is the repositiry file /etc/apt??
[01:17] <jrib> _hopex: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:17] <jrib> darren: exactly
[01:17] <_hopex> thanx
[01:18] <darren> jrib: ok done
[01:19] <jrib> darren: now 'sudo mount -a'
[01:19] <jrib> oh, we forgot one thing
[01:19] <jrib> to give you permission...
[01:19] <jrib> darren: how do you want the permissions setup?
[01:21] <darren> jrib: I don't know what my options are.. I guess I want my user to have full access, I don't want to have to be fooling around with root stuff on that drive at all
[01:22] <jrib> darren: k, you don't have other users on the computer so no reason to setup a group with access?
[01:22] <darren> jrib: nope, just myself.
[01:23] <jrib> k, what is the output of 'id'?
[01:23] <darren> uid=1000(darren) gid=1000(darren) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),108(lpadmin),110(admin),115(netdev),117(powerdev),1000(darren)
[01:24] <jrib> ok, so to the options column for this ntfs drive, add "uid=1000,gid=1000".  Paste the line here afterwards
[01:26] <darren> jrib: so my line would look like UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/Windows ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:26] <_hopex> jrib: i have added the repository and the key. Also updated apt. How do I install virtual box now?
[01:27] <jrib> darren: yes, but make sure you capitalized the 'W' when you used mkdir too as linux is case-sensitive
[01:27] <_hopex> jrib: is the package name vbox?
[01:27] <darren> jrib: yes, made sure of that.
[01:27] <jrib> _hopex: sudo aptitude install virtualbox, or add/remove or synaptic for a gui.  But, since you already installed the deb it probably will not do anything
[01:28] <jrib> _hopex: virtualbox
[01:28] <jrib> darren: did you run 'sudo umount -a' last time?
[01:28] <darren> jrib: yes
[01:28] <darren> jrib: err no I didn't unmount sorry
[01:29] <jrib> darren: k, good, run in now then
[01:29] <jrib> s/in/it
[01:29] <_hopex> jrib: I am installing in the old machine, running ubuntu too
[01:29] <_hopex> It`s donwloading... 10%
[01:29] <darren> jrib: I saw you say earlier its unreliable to write to an NTFS drive in linux without a backup... is that right?
[01:30] <_hopex> btw, what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[01:30] <jrib> darren: that's my personal belief but many people have been doing so for a while.  I do know that MS has not released any specs for ntfs so even though the people behind it have done a great job, they still have to fight with MS
[01:32] <jrib> _hopex: not much now, but aptitude remembers dependencies installed.  So if you install A and it pulls in B, then if you remove A, it will remove B if nothing else needs it.  apt-get does this with auto-remove now
[01:32] <darren> jrib: what a surprise... ms not co-operating.   Ok, thank you very much for your help and patience with a VERY newbie :)
[01:35] <_hopex> jrib: it's good to know the difference
[01:41] <_hopex> jrib: Creating group vboxusers. Users of vbox must be member of that group in order to have write permission to /dev&vboxdrv. Otherwise starting VMs not be possible. How do I add actual user to that group? addgrp username groupname??
[01:43] <jrib> adduser or addgroup
[01:43] <_hopex> Im in the user and groups windows inside System Preferences. I choose the my no.root user and then? Or is it better to use the console?
[01:44] <jrib> "better" is subjective but I usually prefer it and it is easier to communicate on irc using console commands
[01:44] <_hopex> I added my.user to the vboxdrv group, with the window
[01:44] <jrib> you mean vboxusers?
[01:45] <_hopex> thats it. sorry,
[01:45] <jrib> you'll need to log out and back in for that to take effect I believe
[01:46] <_hopex> the VirtualBox Icon is missing, there was a menu icon when I installed the .deb package
[01:46] <jrib> not in system tools at all?
[01:46] <_hopex> nop
[01:46] <jrib> run 'killall gnome-panel'
[01:47] <_hopex> now it is. cool
[01:47] <_hopex> login logout?
[01:47] <jrib> yep
[01:49] <_hopex> done
[01:51] <_hopex> base memory 192Mb, is that allright?
[01:51] <jrib> yep
[01:51] <_hopex> new..
[01:52] <_hopex> dynamic...
[01:52] <_hopex> 10 Gb...
[01:53] <_hopex> Finish. is that allright?
[01:58] <jrib> yep
[01:59] <_hopex> done
[01:59] <_hopex> now i have to installl
[02:06] <_hopex> it's working... cool :)
[02:07] <_hopex> NTFS or FAT?
[02:10] <_hopex> jrib: NTS (fast) or just NTFS? Will it affect the performance?
[02:11] <jrib> _hopex: I don't know what NTS (fast) is
[02:13] <_hopex> jrib, Windows installation asks for formatting options, and it asks FAT or NTFS and if you want Fast formatting or normal. As It`s a clear "partition" I have selected fast format. Now it is copying 27%
[02:16] <_hopex> jrib: I see the Video Memory for the XP virtual box is just 8Mb, wont this limit the screen view? Can I change that?
[02:17] <_hopex> jrib: I want to use some graphical tools, that aren't still for linux, that`s why I'm installing the vbox and asking this question.
[02:20] <_hopex> jrib: it's really cool to see this win install in a small windows :D xD XD
[02:23] <_hopex> the innotek team has done a great job
[02:25] <_hopex> jrib: do I need to install the drivers and stuff after install, or they won't work or something?
[02:32] <jrib> _hopex: you should install guest additions
[02:32] <jrib> then you can use fullscreen etc
[02:35] <_hopex> WinXP is starting now...
[02:36] <_hopex> all is black.... Wellcome
[02:38] <_hopex> there it is the Messenger... oh my god!
[02:39] <_hopex> ok it is working, more or less. So if I install GPU drivers will there by any video issue?
[02:41] <_hopex> jrib: I will try
[02:43] <_hopex> jrib does the WinXP allways appear in all desktops at the same time?
[02:51] <_hopex> jrib: One important question. How can I copy stuff from "c:" or to "c:" ?
[03:11] <_hopex> jrib: vbox got a really goof help file.
[03:12] <_hopex> see you
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