[00:07] interesting. When I first launched tsclient, I couldn't choose VNC. Now I can. Is there any way to force a screen resolution? [00:11] vnc screen resolution is set by the server [00:19] $die [00:19] I die more than I should. It's my prerogative. Watch out though, one of these day's I'm taking ubotu with me. [00:51] I've put soooo much effort into trying to get my Hauppauge 350 TV out working, I could cry [00:51] I'd rather cry when it starts working though [01:05] what ticks me off the most is my video out only works for 4 seconds as I shut down the computer [01:05] hehe [01:05] sounds like it's working in hardware then [01:05] yeah [01:05] just need to get the software to use it properly [01:05] have you checked out the ivtv mailing lists? [01:05] thats harder then you'd believe [01:06] I've spent days [01:06] solarbaby: I have a pvr-350 [01:06] MitoTranin: I could cry [01:06] MitoTranin: its been unbelievable [01:06] BUT, I've never tried to get the tv out to work... and I don't plan on it anymore either, since the sound on it is busted [01:07] ah i see.. well as far as my 350 recording it does fine [01:12] Hello, I have a emachines W3506 that the PVR-350 crashed on. [01:12] I have installed 20-30 times over the weekend. [01:12] an emachines crashed?! stop the presses! [01:13] Hmmm, your telling me something. [01:13] uhhh [01:15] Hi again [01:16] hey [01:16] I thought I offended you and you ragequit on me :p [01:17] Please tell me that this emachine wil work. [01:18] ( I am new to IRC, I didn't know you uhad to keed java open ;-) [01:21] Ok, now I see no more messages ??!! [01:22] I must have screwed up again. Over and out [01:22] ok, I'm confused... [01:23] I am trying to write a bash script to run on startup that will check to see if my tuner's firmware got loaded properly, and if not, load it manually [01:24] right now, the firmware is loaded properly... but the check to see if the /dev/video0 file exists is telling me that the file doesn't exist [01:24] BUT, when I check manually, it's there [01:24] I am guessing that this is because it's a device and not a file... [01:24] but how do I check for that instead then? [01:25] right now my check is: if [ -f /dev/video0 ] [01:25] anyone know what I should do different? [01:29] yeah, I think there's a better way, give me a second [01:29] -f is for files [01:29] FILE exists and is a regular file [01:29] use -e [01:29] -e is for if something exists [01:29] that worked, thanks :) [01:30] man test :) [01:30] I had also tried -d as that was for directories, but as expected that didn't work either [01:30] ah! [01:30] I had tried man if [01:30] but it didn't like that :0 [01:40] I'm trying to add a second backend, but the primary doesn't seem to recognize the capture card. Is there something I need to re-configure, or will it simply use it when needed? [01:41] can mythbuntu work on an xbox as a frontend ? the system requirements seem to say no but I am using an old distro for mythtv on xbox (forget name) based on 2.4 kernel which works pretty well [01:44] I've seen xbox stuff in the mythtv setup [01:44] I can't imagine it's supported any worse [01:45] adamg_: yes, solarbaby I believe uses his without problems [01:45] I just switched from an old ass mythtv setup too, I was running .17 or something [01:45] adamg_: by far the easiest way to do it would be to download mythbuntu and use it as a livecd [01:45] $mythbuntu [01:45] Mythbuntu is a combination of Ubuntu and MythTV. The current version is based on Gutsy Gibbon. Unlike other MythTV distros, Mythbuntu is closely knitted with Ubuntu. This allows an easy someone to easily convert between a Ubuntu Desktop and a Mythbuntu Standalone and back again. [01:46] where does irexec get started up on mythbuntu? [01:46] I grepped through my whole /etc looking for it [01:46] MitiTranin: how do you complete the installation, given that you pretty much need to install it to a loopback filesystem as opposed to a partition ? [01:47] adamg_, how would you rig a tuner in there? [01:47] usb? [01:47] MythbuntuGuest48: what type of capture card are you trying to use? and are you saying that the primary backend doesn't see the secondary backend, or? [01:47] BHSPitMonkey: the xbox is just a frontend, I have the backend upstairs :) [01:48] adamg_: the way I was refering, you don't use the xbox as a backend, you use it as a frontend only [01:48] MitoTranin, he said "the primary doesn't seem to recognize the capture card" [01:48] you'd still have to have a separate machine acting as the backend [01:48] adamg_, oh. Missed that part. [01:48] BHSPitMonkey: I know what he said... my point was that he never said if the capture card was in the primary, or if it was in the secondary [01:49] BHSPitMonkey: also, those are for two different people... [01:49] adamg_: with using the xbox as a remote frontend, you don't ever need to install anything... you just use the live cd without installing it.... [01:49] mythbot, what are "those"? [01:50] the primary backend doesn't really seem to recognize the secondary backend exists at all. [01:50] I will download the iso and see how it goes, but I was wondering how to get the install onto the xbox HDD so I can boot without the CD.... \ [01:50] the primary has one capture card, the secondary backend has another capture card [01:50] and without needing to re-enter the config each time.... and since I have no keyboard on the xbox, how would I config it in the first place..... [01:51] adamg_: are you planning on using the xbox as an xbox still? if so, then it gets complicated... if not, then just install as normal should work [01:51] MythbuntuGuest48: during setup of the secondary, did you do a customized mythbuntu install, or typical? [01:51] MitoTranin: no, I also use the xbox media center and xbox games .... all my games are from the HDD so the kids don't scratch them/etc.... [01:52] cutsom [01:52] adamg_: then it gets a lot more complicated :) you'll have to setup a dual-boot partition etc... and I wouldn't even think about starting it until you get that drive backed up. [01:52] although it seemed to be very straight-forward. It asked for the myth primary info and happily moved along. [01:53] it also picked up the schedules direct info and ran mythfilldatabase [01:53] linux on xbox is extremely slow [01:53] MythbuntuGuest48: after install, did you go through the setup on the secondary backend and tell it to use the primary server etc? [01:53] yep [01:53] you need a distro which can cope with the tiny amount of ram - and boot times are high, as is the system noise [01:54] then I would think you should be all set.... but I've never ran more than one backend on my system, so I don't know [01:54] directhex: yes and yes.... those are two issues that I want to address eventually :) [01:54] vaguely related: http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273 [01:54] MitoTranin: do you know of some howto/guide that will help me with how I need to do that? [01:55] adamg_, in general, xbmc is MUCH better regarded than myth on xbox linux, as a myth frontend. ram's the killer. [01:56] directhex: but how do you use the XBMC to access the mythtv recorded programs and/or livetv ? [01:56] adamg_, not sure. i know it's possible though [01:57] e.g. http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/ [01:57] solarbaby, i just got back [01:57] you still here? [01:57] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend [01:58] superm1_, my ps3 linux article has landed \o/ waiting to see if it stirs up the hornet's nest [01:58] cool directhex :) [01:58] directhex, where'd it land? [01:58] superm1_: you got a minute? [01:59] sure [01:59] superm1_: I'm still fighting with my remote and trying to get it to respond... I can't get anything to come from irw [01:59] what remtoe? [01:59] http://irblaster.info/receiver.html [02:00] then I realized that I've never used this serial port before, so I don't even know if it works or not [02:00] and you irrecorded it? [02:00] or what [02:00] the remote itself I used an lircd.conf from the internet [02:01] specifically: http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html [02:01] have your made sure you are seeing button presses in general (even if they dont match up) [a'la mode2 or similar] [02:01] that's what I was trying to do with irw [02:01] but nothing shows on the screen [02:02] superm1_, http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273 [02:02] well but you dont know that the remote config is good [02:02] so you may want to try to use mode2 [02:02] anyways, so I backed down further and right now I'm trying to test to see if the serial port itself works at all, via plugging in a serial mouse [02:02] to see if it even sees button presses period [02:02] and that's not working... but I then realized that I still have my usb mouse plugged in, and that is working, so that could be it [02:03] ok, I can re-enable the reciever serial things [02:03] but do you know of a way to find out if this is com1 or com2 easily? [02:03] it's the only com port on the system, so I would assume com1, but I've seen those be com2 sometimes too [02:04] MitoTranin, nothing in dmesg about it? [02:04] I don't even know what to grep for in the dmesg [02:04] ttyS [02:04] and it's too huge to read line-by-line and not miss something [02:05] it just says that there is both a com1 and com2 [02:05] MitoTranin, you probably had to modify setserial options [02:05] that's odd, linux doesn't use names like com1 or com2 [02:06] when you turned on your support for the irreceiver [02:06] it uses [02:06] ttySX [02:06] like directhex said [02:06] directhex, i'm reading through your article :) [02:06] well, I'm using names com1 and com2 [02:06] are you a full fledged normal editor for hexus? [02:06] superm1_, in rare cases it has other names, e.g. ttySG0 on an sgi altix [02:06] or ttyUSBX [02:07] it has: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [02:07] superm1_, freelance writer [02:07] for both ttyS0 and ttyS1 [02:07] same I/O and irq for both? [02:07] and: 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [02:07] for the same [02:07] that would cause breakage [02:07] directhex: no you silly... I just didn't want to flood the chan [02:07] lol [02:08] they are the correct irq/IO [02:08] MitoTranin, when you used the lirc_serial driver [02:08] you were turning off the uart right? [02:09] superm1_, time for setserial, to test, y'think? [02:09] I followed the guide you wrote for gutsy superm1_ [02:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy [02:09] MitoTranin, well i dont recall what i put in there, but it should have walked you through turning off the serial port's uart [02:09] but if it is showing that it 16550A, its not off [02:09] yes, /dev/ttyS0 uart none [02:10] can you try manually running that? [02:10] in both /var/lib/setserial/autoserial.conf and /etc/serial.conf [02:10] sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none [02:10] and see if it changes the behavior? [02:10] superm1_, you put it in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy#head-11f21cd416f984d51b87dc9dca2c21b890bf82d5 [02:10] well, right now it has no behavior :) [02:11] superm1_, and if you'll excuse me, it's 2:10am, and time for bed [02:11] Does anyone know why whenever I leave the MythTV install going unattended, I come back and the machine has crashed somehow? It seems like if I sit there, poking at stuff, it goes through without hitch. [02:11] night night directhex [02:11] your article is pretty intriguing though [02:11] night directhex [02:11] i've wanted to see someone review the possibilities [02:11] levander, checkout your logs [02:11] that's the way to figure it out ;) [02:12] superm1_: which log? /var/log/syslog? [02:12] /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [02:12] and /var/log/syslog [02:12] k, i'll check that, tx [02:12] superm1_, i'm pretty disgusted that no look at ps3 ubuntu has ever mentioned the glaring issues - even when they include full-screen screenshots at sub-vga dimensions [02:12] directhex, i'm wondering why we don't have full resolution displays [02:12] seems absurd [02:13] superm1_: permission denied for uart none on both ttyS0 and S1 [02:13] superm1_, lack of testing, lack of polish. nothing more, nothing less. feel free to post a link on planet or somesuch :) [02:13] superm1_, anyway, BED [02:13] MitoTranin, do sudo setserial [02:13] blah [02:13] night [02:14] standard "you called me without a command option" type help output [02:14] also, I'm in a root console (via sudo su) [02:18] btw, I was unable to download the iso images from the website, I just got a blank page saying "done". I assume this was a result of the javascript stuff required or something... using wget from a command line gave me the html file from which I got the proper iso url, and that worked..... [02:19] MitoTranin, i dont know why that would happen [02:19] do you have something using /dev/ttyS0 [02:20] adamg_, let me check [02:20] adamg_, worked fine for me [02:20] i wonder if you found a bad host [02:21] because that link load balances [02:21] adamg_, yeah i've refreshed at least 12 times no issues [02:22] supermi_: sorry, I think it is because I use firefox with the AdBlock Plus which blocks the http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js URL(I haven't confirmed that, but is my assumption) [02:22] adamg_, i use adblock plus as well [02:22] and that url is not blocked for me by default [02:22] adamg_, but that is our click tracker [02:22] adamg_: did you get your xbox thing worked out or do you need some help? [02:22] adamg_, so i really hope its not blocked :) [02:23] supermi_: well, adblock doesn't block anything by default, but I subscribed to one of the lists, and I assume that list does block it [02:23] superm1_: welcome back [02:23] adamg_, yeah me too [02:23] adamg_, i subscribed to the first list [02:23] superm1_: well, as I said, my plans were to try get it to work via a mouse just to find out which serial port it was (0 or 1) so I would guess that the kernel is using it [02:23] when i installed it [02:24] solarbaby: I'm at work right now, I downloaded the iso, and am looking at the XBMCMythTV plugin .... will see how I go when I get home [02:24] adamg_: question.. is your xbox modified? is it version 1.6? [02:24] BUT, I have a recording running right now, so I can't reboot to clear it... any way to remove them from the kernel without rebooting? [02:24] solarbaby: it is modified and it is not 1.6 [02:24] MitoTranin, if X is using them change yoru x config [02:25] X isn't, because the mouse wasn't working. my usb mouse was still controling the mouse, not the serial mouse [02:25] (also to note: I didn't change the x config yet) [02:26] adamg_: very good.. then you can freely use either of the MythTV frontends.. the iso of Xebian Myth is a since to install, really youjust copy it to your e drive and load it and thats that.. it takes nearly 5 minutes to bootup.. it requires no formating of your xbox because its just a bootable image andyou can boot it from your file manager [02:26] well... I didn't change it to tell it to use the serial mouse yet, I was about to do that when you got back [02:26] adamg_: the Xbmcmyth.py is really useful it boots up nice and fast and supports commercial skipping [02:26] solarbaby: I currently use xebian but wanted something newer with more recent mythtv version [02:27] adamg_: thats something I cant help you with.. its a real pain in the butt to upgrade [02:27] adamg_: its actually very recent.. [02:28] supermi_ my adblock is using Easylist + EasyElement + ABP Tracking Filter [02:29] adamg_, yeah i use easylist and that's it [02:30] solarbaby: I wanted to use one of the very new versions of mythtv to support recording two shows where one is right after the other but both have an start early/finish late, using only a single recording card..... [02:31] I have a dual channel card, but I always set a start early/finish late, and often there are two channels where I want 4 shows from, and I end up missing two of the shows.... [02:31] been there [02:32] superm1_: any way to tell the kernel to stop using the serial ports without restarting? [02:32] I considered buying another dual channel card, but I think my backend wouldn't handle the load anyway (1.6GHz AMD Athlon CPU) [02:33] your setup sounds more impressive then mine.. cept my computer is faster [02:34] I just have 1 recorder [02:34] MitoTranin, i dunno [02:34] solarbaby, okay you want me to try to briefly try to work with you once mroe [02:36] Well, I found it why my installation died when it was unattended. There was an error on the disc. Then, when I came back the Mythbuntu background was there, but nothing else. I'm reburning another Mythbuntu CD now. === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [03:15] superm1: you still around? [03:15] yde [03:16] ok, I'm setting back the options in setserial and /etc/serial.conf to be no uart , and I was getting ready to edit my /etc/modprobe/lirc [03:16] will setting the lirc_serial module to both ttyS0 and ttyS1 cause a problem? [03:17] ie: do I *have* to only use one, or can I use both, even though only one of them will actually have the receiver attached to it? [03:19] yes [03:19] do only one [03:19] you can switch between the two [03:20] einie, minie, miny, moe... ttyS0 first :) [03:21] im running ubuntu 7.10.. i've verified that my tv tuner card works (i can watch tv fine in tvtime).. i installed mythtv via the mythbuntu control centre.. went through the configuration.. i can connect to the database just fine.. the problem that i am having is when i try to go to the mythtv frontend and then select "watch tv".. i hear audio from my cable comming in, but then instead of any video being displayed, i just get the myth [03:21] eric, do you plan on using this system *only* for mythtv? [03:22] no [03:22] i'd like to use it as a desktop when not using mythtv [03:22] ok, as if you were, I was going to suggest just using mythbuntu as a whole [03:22] that's fine though [03:23] did you tell the mythtv-setup to use the correct tuner type and tuner input? [03:23] i may try that.. though i'd like to try to get this issue resolved first [03:23] it sounds like you have the sound input correct, but the video input set to the wrong input [03:23] hmm.. let me take a look [03:25] superm1: ok, so it's back up and running, how do I test this mode2 thing? [03:25] yes, it is using /dev/video0.. just as tvtime is [03:26] MitoTranin, look at the man page [03:26] i've never had to use [03:26] ah, ok [03:27] any other ideas? [03:27] where are the log files located? [03:28] got it.. /var/log/mythtv [03:31] anyon know if there is a way to make the [03:31] nvidia drivers do no validation checking [03:31] at all? [03:32] in frontend.log.. got it.. in mythfrontend.log VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init Failed.. VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'Xgl Generic Texture Video'.. mythfrontend.real: Fatal IO error: client kille [03:34] any ideas? [03:35] no idea [03:36] turn off Xgl [03:36] honestly [03:36] its a horrible idea to have with myth [03:36] superm1, do you know anyway to make the stupid nvidia drivers do absolutely no validation checking? [03:36] CCB0x45, that's not the problem [03:36] it crashed because of Xgl [03:36] no [03:36] not validation checking [03:36] for myself [03:37] it always throws out my modes [03:37] it is so annoying [03:37] it wont ever try them [03:37] oh sorry i mixed up your two posts [03:37] eric, and yours [03:37] my bad [03:37] late night :) [03:37] its cool [03:37] I just figured you might know [03:37] CCB0x45, in the nvidia readme there is an option [03:37] ive been struggling with it for a week [03:37] NoEDID [03:37] or something very similar [03:37] gotcha [03:38] ill try UseEDID false [03:38] CCB0x45, there are other options to pair with it [03:38] that you need [03:38] isnt there just one blanket one [03:38] to do no validation checking [03:39] UseEDID false says that it globally disables all uses of the EDID [03:39] CCB0x45, you can enable them all [03:39] CCB0x45, but you need to turn off the other checks each [03:39] what section should this be on? [03:39] that is so annoying [03:40] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/appendix-b.html [03:40] because I dont know what one is fricken making it fail [03:40] search for useedid [03:40] its all there [03:40] I know [03:40] I am looking for it [03:40] im in there [03:40] it lists them all right there [03:40] but ive turned off every single one [03:40] the other options [03:40] and it still doesnt validate [03:41] why the hell do they have so much stupid validation checking [03:41] the drivers are such peices of shit [03:41] because you can break your hardware [03:41] otherwise [03:41] old crts [03:41] you can break [03:41] superm1: brb gunna step out for a cigerette [03:41] they are failsafes to make sure that you cant override [03:41] I just dont get why my friend with the same damn hardware [03:41] you can break modern devices too [03:41] and the same tv [03:41] im using the same xorg [03:42] and it works on his [03:42] firmware [03:42] on the tv [03:42] and doesnt validate on mine [03:42] how hard is it to honestly just put out 720p [03:42] every single hdmi device can just put out 720p [03:42] but linux is still ass backwards on it [03:43] there is a fair share of handshaking that happens [03:43] to communicate smaller details of outputting such a resolution [03:43] it cant be that hard [03:43] there is TONS of hdmi devices out there [03:43] for very cheap amounts of money [03:43] that plug and play and work [03:43] CCB0x45, i wouldn't attempt to claim the difficulty of such a task unless you have first hand experience [03:44] nvidia is proprietary drivers [03:44] they could do it easily [03:44] especially since it works on windows [03:44] its just half assed support [03:44] well go complain to them in the forum then :) [03:44] but why does ubuntu sometimes go to safe mode [03:44] graphics [03:44] complaining to me isn't going to get anything changed. [03:44] I never even know if it is actually using the xorg.conf [03:45] it goes into failsafe if the X server crashed [03:45] or couldn't use the xorg.conf [03:46] its so frustrating that you can plug an xbox in on any tv in hdmi and it works fine [03:46] and you can configure a driver for weeks on end [03:47] and it wont fucking output the resolution you KNOW you need [03:47] I know I need 1280x720 60hz [03:47] shouldnt be this hard [03:47] !language [03:47] Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly. [03:47] what determines "couldnt use the xorg.conf" [03:47] sorry but its frustrating [03:47] ive had the black bars around my thing for 2 weeks, the only problem with my box [03:48] because of terrible drivers [03:48] what card? [03:48] its an onboard nvidia 7 series [03:48] hdmi [03:48] what tv? [03:50] mitsubishi 62628 [03:52] it just needs 1280x720 60hz [03:53] omg [03:53] I am so pissed [03:53] I have turned off all edid stuff [03:53] still says no valid modes [03:53] have you set a modeline? [03:53] why wont it say WHAT is making it not validate [03:53] yes [03:54] which driver [03:54] nvidia [03:54] it wont ever attempt to use my modeline [03:54] always says no valid mode [03:54] but gives no output WHY its not valid [03:55] nvidia, nvidia-legacy, nvidia-new? [03:55] its just called nvidia [03:55] from 7.10 [03:55] I dont know which one it is [03:57] do [03:57] dpkg -l | grep nvidia [03:58] ii nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.9 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver [04:00] what modeline did you use? [04:00] sec [04:00] let me fine it [04:00] find it [04:00] can you pastebin your whole xorg.conf [04:01] yea [04:01] sure [04:01] this is it before turning off validation checks [04:01] http://pastebin.com/m3492f244 [04:02] im turning off every single one I can see currently [04:03] that is one of about 500 xorgs that ive created [04:03] and tried [04:03] this one works on my friends tv which is the same tv [04:03] and its using what is reccomended by the tv [04:03] 1280x720 60hz [04:04] where did you get your modeline from? [04:05] I didnt make that one [04:05]