[00:07] <MythbuntuGuest02> interesting.  When I first launched tsclient, I couldn't choose VNC.  Now I can.  Is there any way to force a screen resolution?
[00:11] <directhex> vnc screen resolution is set by the server
[00:19] <therethinker> $die
[00:19] <mythbot> I die more than I should.  It's my prerogative.  Watch out though, one of these day's I'm taking ubotu with me.
[00:51] <solarbaby> I've put soooo much effort into trying to get my Hauppauge 350 TV out working, I could cry
[00:51] <solarbaby> I'd rather cry when it starts working though
[01:05] <solarbaby> what ticks me off the most is my video out only works for 4 seconds as I shut down the computer
[01:05] <solarbaby> hehe
[01:05] <MitoTranin> sounds like it's working in hardware then
[01:05] <solarbaby> yeah
[01:05] <MitoTranin> just need to get the software to use it properly
[01:05] <MitoTranin> have you checked out the ivtv mailing lists?
[01:05] <solarbaby> thats harder then you'd believe
[01:06] <solarbaby> I've spent days
[01:06] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: I have a pvr-350
[01:06] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I could cry
[01:06] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: its been unbelievable
[01:06] <MitoTranin> BUT, I've never tried to get the tv out to work... and I don't plan on it anymore either, since the sound on it is busted
[01:07] <solarbaby> ah i see.. well as far as my 350 recording it does fine
[01:12] <MythbuntuGuest43> Hello, I have a emachines W3506 that the PVR-350 crashed on.
[01:12] <MythbuntuGuest43> I have installed 20-30 times over the weekend.
[01:12] <JThundley> an emachines crashed?! stop the presses!
[01:13] <MythbuntuGuest43> Hmmm, your telling me something.
[01:13] <JThundley> uhhh
[01:15] <MythbuntuGuest84> Hi again
[01:16] <JThundley> hey
[01:16] <JThundley> I thought I offended you and you ragequit on me :p
[01:17] <MythbuntuGuest84> Please tell me that this emachine wil work.
[01:18] <MythbuntuGuest84> ( I am new to IRC, I didn't know you uhad to keed java open ;-)
[01:21] <MythbuntuGuest84> Ok, now I see no more messages ??!!
[01:22] <MythbuntuGuest84> I must have screwed up again. Over and out
[01:22] <MitoTranin> ok, I'm confused...
[01:23] <MitoTranin> I am trying to write a bash script to run on startup that will check to see if my tuner's firmware got loaded properly, and if not, load it manually
[01:24] <MitoTranin> right now, the firmware is loaded properly... but the check to see if the /dev/video0 file exists is telling me that the file doesn't exist
[01:24] <MitoTranin> BUT, when I check manually, it's there
[01:24] <MitoTranin> I am guessing that this is because it's a device and not a file...
[01:24] <MitoTranin> but how do I check for that instead then?
[01:25] <MitoTranin> right now my check is:  if [ -f /dev/video0 ]
[01:25] <MitoTranin> anyone know what I should do different?
[01:29] <JThundley> yeah, I think there's a better way, give me a second
[01:29] <JThundley> -f is for files
[01:29] <JThundley> FILE exists and is a regular file
[01:29] <JThundley> use -e
[01:29] <JThundley> -e is for if something exists
[01:29] <MitoTranin> that worked, thanks :)
[01:30] <JThundley> man test :)
[01:30] <MitoTranin> I had also tried -d as that was for directories, but as expected that didn't work either
[01:30] <MitoTranin> ah!
[01:30] <MitoTranin> I had tried man if
[01:30] <MitoTranin> but it didn't like that :0
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest48> I'm trying to add a second backend, but the primary doesn't seem to recognize the capture card.  Is there something I need to re-configure, or will it simply use it when needed?
[01:41] <adamg_> can mythbuntu work on an xbox as a frontend ? the system requirements seem to say no but I am using an old distro for mythtv on xbox (forget name) based on 2.4 kernel which works pretty well
[01:44] <JThundley> I've seen xbox stuff in the mythtv setup
[01:44] <JThundley> I can't imagine it's supported any worse
[01:45] <MitoTranin> adamg_: yes, solarbaby I believe uses his without problems
[01:45] <JThundley> I just switched from an old ass mythtv setup too, I was running .17 or something
[01:45] <MitoTranin> adamg_: by far the easiest way to do it would be to download mythbuntu and use it as a livecd
[01:45] <MitoTranin> $mythbuntu
[01:45] <mythbot> Mythbuntu is a combination of Ubuntu and MythTV.  The current version is based on Gutsy Gibbon.  Unlike other MythTV distros, Mythbuntu is closely knitted with Ubuntu.  This allows an easy someone to easily convert between a Ubuntu Desktop and a Mythbuntu Standalone and back again.
[01:46] <JThundley> where does irexec get started up on mythbuntu?
[01:46] <JThundley> I grepped through my whole /etc looking for it
[01:46] <adamg_> MitiTranin: how do you complete the installation, given that you pretty much need to install it to a loopback filesystem as opposed to a partition ?
[01:47] <BHSPitMonkey> adamg_, how would you rig a tuner in there?
[01:47] <BHSPitMonkey> usb?
[01:47] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest48: what type of capture card are you trying to use?  and are you saying that the primary backend doesn't see the secondary backend, or?
[01:47] <adamg_> BHSPitMonkey: the xbox is just a frontend, I have the backend upstairs :)
[01:48] <MitoTranin> adamg_: the way I was refering, you don't use the xbox as a backend, you use it as a frontend only
[01:48] <BHSPitMonkey> MitoTranin, he said "the primary doesn't seem to recognize the capture card"
[01:48] <MitoTranin> you'd still have to have a separate machine acting as the backend
[01:48] <BHSPitMonkey> adamg_, oh.  Missed that part.
[01:48] <MitoTranin> BHSPitMonkey: I know what he said... my point was that he never said if the capture card was in the primary, or if it was in the secondary
[01:49] <MitoTranin> BHSPitMonkey: also, those are for two different people...
[01:49] <MitoTranin> adamg_: with using the xbox as a remote frontend, you don't ever need to install anything... you just use the live cd without installing it....
[01:49] <BHSPitMonkey> mythbot, what are "those"?
[01:50] <MythbuntuGuest48> the primary backend doesn't really seem to recognize the secondary backend exists at all.
[01:50] <adamg_> I will download the iso and see how it goes, but I was wondering how to get the install onto the xbox HDD so I can boot without the CD.... \
[01:50] <MythbuntuGuest48> the primary has one capture card, the secondary backend has another capture card
[01:50] <adamg_> and without needing to re-enter the config each time.... and since I have no keyboard on the xbox, how would I config it in the first place.....
[01:51] <MitoTranin> adamg_: are you planning on using the xbox as an xbox still?  if so, then it gets complicated... if not, then just install as normal should work
[01:51] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest48: during setup of the secondary, did you do a customized mythbuntu install, or typical?
[01:51] <adamg_> MitoTranin: no, I also use the xbox media center and xbox games .... all my games are from the HDD so the kids don't scratch them/etc....
[01:52] <MythbuntuGuest48> cutsom
[01:52] <MitoTranin> adamg_: then it gets a lot more complicated :)  you'll have to setup a dual-boot partition etc... and I wouldn't even think about starting it until you get that drive backed up.
[01:52] <MythbuntuGuest48> although it seemed to be very straight-forward.  It asked for the myth primary info and happily moved along.
[01:53] <MythbuntuGuest48> it also picked up the schedules direct info and ran mythfilldatabase
[01:53] <directhex> linux on xbox is extremely slow
[01:53] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest48: after install, did you go through the setup on the secondary backend and tell it to use the primary server etc?
[01:53] <MythbuntuGuest48> yep
[01:53] <directhex> you need a distro which can cope with the tiny amount of ram - and boot times are high, as is the system noise
[01:54] <MitoTranin> then I would think you should be all set....   but I've never ran more than one backend on my system, so I don't know
[01:54] <adamg_> directhex: yes and yes.... those are two issues that I want to address eventually :)
[01:54] <directhex> vaguely related: http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273
[01:54] <adamg_> MitoTranin: do you know of some howto/guide that will help me with how I need to do that?
[01:55] <directhex> adamg_, in general, xbmc is MUCH better regarded than myth on xbox linux, as a myth frontend. ram's the killer.
[01:56] <adamg_> directhex: but how do you use the XBMC to access the mythtv recorded programs and/or livetv ?
[01:56] <directhex> adamg_, not sure. i know it's possible though
[01:57] <directhex> e.g. http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/
[01:57] <superm1_> solarbaby, i just got back
[01:57] <superm1_> you still here?
[01:57] <directhex> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend
[01:58] <directhex> superm1_, my ps3 linux article has landed \o/ waiting to see if it stirs up the hornet's nest
[01:58] <superm1_> cool directhex  :)
[01:58] <superm1_> directhex, where'd it land?
[01:58] <MitoTranin> superm1_: you got a minute?
[01:59] <superm1_> sure
[01:59] <MitoTranin> superm1_: I'm still fighting with my remote and trying to get it to respond... I can't get anything to come from irw
[01:59] <superm1_> what remtoe?
[01:59] <MitoTranin> http://irblaster.info/receiver.html
[02:00] <MitoTranin> then I realized that I've never used this serial port before, so I don't even know if it works or not
[02:00] <superm1_> and you irrecorded it?
[02:00] <superm1_> or what
[02:00] <MitoTranin> the remote itself I used an lircd.conf from the internet
[02:01] <MitoTranin> specifically: http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html
[02:01] <superm1_> have your made sure you are seeing button presses in general (even if they dont match up) [a'la mode2 or similar]
[02:01] <MitoTranin> that's what I was trying to do with irw
[02:01] <MitoTranin> but nothing shows on the screen
[02:02] <directhex> superm1_, http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273
[02:02] <superm1_> well but you dont know that the remote config is good
[02:02] <superm1_> so you may want to try to use mode2
[02:02] <MitoTranin> anyways, so I backed down further and right now I'm trying to test to see if the serial port itself works at all, via plugging in a serial mouse
[02:02] <superm1_> to see if it even sees button presses period
[02:02] <MitoTranin> and that's not working... but I then realized that I still have my usb mouse plugged in, and that is working, so that could be it
[02:03] <MitoTranin> ok, I can re-enable the reciever serial things
[02:03] <MitoTranin> but do you know of a way to find out if this is com1 or com2 easily?
[02:03] <MitoTranin> it's the only com port on the system, so I would assume com1, but I've seen those be com2 sometimes too
[02:04] <directhex> MitoTranin, nothing in dmesg about it?
[02:04] <MitoTranin> I don't even know what to grep for in the dmesg
[02:04] <directhex> ttyS
[02:04] <MitoTranin> and it's too huge to read line-by-line and not miss something
[02:05] <MitoTranin> it just says that there is both a com1 and com2
[02:05] <superm1_> MitoTranin, you probably had to modify setserial options
[02:05] <directhex> that's odd, linux doesn't use names like com1 or com2
[02:06] <superm1_> when you turned on your support for the irreceiver
[02:06] <superm1_> it uses
[02:06] <superm1_> ttySX
[02:06] <superm1_> like directhex said
[02:06] <superm1_> directhex, i'm reading through your article :)
[02:06] <MitoTranin> well, I'm using names com1 and com2
[02:06] <superm1_> are you a full fledged normal editor for hexus?
[02:06] <directhex> superm1_, in rare cases it has other names, e.g. ttySG0 on an sgi altix
[02:06] <superm1_> or ttyUSBX
[02:07] <MitoTranin> it has: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[02:07] <directhex> superm1_, freelance writer
[02:07] <MitoTranin> for both ttyS0 and ttyS1
[02:07] <directhex> same I/O and irq for both?
[02:07] <MitoTranin> and: 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[02:07] <MitoTranin> for the same
[02:07] <directhex> that would cause breakage
[02:07] <MitoTranin> directhex: no you silly... I just didn't want to flood the chan
[02:07] <MitoTranin> lol
[02:08] <MitoTranin> they are the correct irq/IO
[02:08] <superm1_> MitoTranin, when you used the lirc_serial driver
[02:08] <superm1_> you were turning off the uart right?
[02:09] <directhex> superm1_, time for setserial, to test, y'think?
[02:09] <MitoTranin> I followed the guide you wrote for gutsy superm1_
[02:09] <MitoTranin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[02:09] <superm1_> MitoTranin, well i dont recall what i put in there, but it should have walked you through turning off the serial port's uart
[02:09] <superm1_> but if it is showing that it 16550A, its not off
[02:09] <MitoTranin> yes, /dev/ttyS0 uart none
[02:10] <superm1_> can you try manually running that?
[02:10] <MitoTranin> in both /var/lib/setserial/autoserial.conf and /etc/serial.conf
[02:10] <superm1_> sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none
[02:10] <superm1_> and see if it changes the behavior?
[02:10] <directhex> superm1_, you put it in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy#head-11f21cd416f984d51b87dc9dca2c21b890bf82d5
[02:10] <MitoTranin> well, right now it has no behavior :)
[02:11] <directhex> superm1_, and if you'll excuse me, it's 2:10am, and time for bed
[02:11] <levander> Does anyone know why whenever I leave the MythTV install going unattended, I come back and the machine has crashed somehow?  It seems like if I sit there, poking at stuff, it goes through without hitch.
[02:11] <superm1_> night night directhex
[02:11] <superm1_> your article is pretty intriguing though
[02:11] <MitoTranin> night directhex
[02:11] <superm1_> i've wanted to see someone review the possibilities
[02:11] <superm1_> levander, checkout your logs
[02:11] <superm1_> that's the way to figure it out ;)
[02:12] <levander> superm1_: which log? /var/log/syslog?
[02:12] <superm1_> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:12] <superm1_> and /var/log/syslog
[02:12] <levander> k, i'll check that, tx
[02:12] <directhex> superm1_, i'm pretty disgusted that no look at ps3 ubuntu has ever mentioned the glaring issues - even when they include full-screen screenshots at sub-vga dimensions
[02:12] <superm1_> directhex, i'm wondering why we don't have full resolution displays
[02:12] <superm1_> seems absurd
[02:13] <MitoTranin> superm1_: permission denied for uart none on both ttyS0 and S1
[02:13] <directhex> superm1_, lack of testing, lack of polish. nothing more, nothing less. feel free to post a link on planet or somesuch :)
[02:13] <directhex> superm1_, anyway, BED
[02:13] <superm1_> MitoTranin, do sudo setserial
[02:13] <superm1_> blah
[02:13] <superm1_> night
[02:14] <MitoTranin> standard "you called me without a command option" type help output
[02:14] <MitoTranin> also, I'm in a root console (via sudo su)
[02:18] <adamg_> btw, I was unable to download the iso images from the website, I just got a blank page saying "done". I assume this was a result of the javascript stuff required or something... using wget from a command line gave me the html file from which I got the proper iso url, and that worked.....
[02:19] <superm1_> MitoTranin, i dont know why that would happen
[02:19] <superm1_> do you have something using /dev/ttyS0
[02:20] <superm1_> adamg_, let me check
[02:20] <superm1_> adamg_, worked fine for me
[02:20] <superm1_> i wonder if you found a bad host
[02:21] <superm1_> because that link load balances
[02:21] <superm1_> adamg_, yeah i've refreshed at least 12 times no issues
[02:22] <adamg_> supermi_: sorry, I think it is because I use firefox with the AdBlock Plus which blocks the http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js URL(I haven't confirmed that, but is my assumption)
[02:22] <superm1_> adamg_, i use adblock plus as well
[02:22] <superm1_> and that url is not blocked for me by default
[02:22] <superm1_> adamg_, but that is our click tracker
[02:22] <solarbaby> adamg_: did you get your xbox thing worked out or do you need some help?
[02:22] <superm1_> adamg_, so i really hope its not blocked :)
[02:23] <adamg_> supermi_: well, adblock doesn't block anything by default, but I subscribed to one of the lists, and I assume that list does block it
[02:23] <solarbaby> superm1_: welcome back
[02:23] <superm1_> adamg_, yeah me too
[02:23] <superm1_> adamg_, i subscribed to the first list
[02:23] <MitoTranin> superm1_: well, as I said, my plans were to try get it to work via a mouse just to find out which serial port it was (0 or 1) so I would guess that the kernel is using it
[02:23] <superm1_> when i installed it
[02:24] <adamg_> solarbaby: I'm at work right now, I downloaded the iso, and am looking at the XBMCMythTV plugin .... will see how I go when I get home
[02:24] <solarbaby> adamg_: question..  is your xbox modified? is it version 1.6?
[02:24] <MitoTranin> BUT, I have a recording running right now, so I can't reboot to clear it... any way to remove them from the kernel without rebooting?
[02:24] <adamg_> solarbaby: it is modified and it is not 1.6
[02:24] <superm1_> MitoTranin, if X is using them change yoru x config
[02:25] <MitoTranin> X isn't, because the mouse wasn't working.  my usb mouse was still controling the mouse, not the serial mouse
[02:25] <MitoTranin> (also to note: I didn't change the x config yet)
[02:26] <solarbaby> adamg_: very good..  then you can freely use either of the MythTV frontends..  the iso of Xebian Myth is a since to install, really youjust copy it to your e drive and load it and thats that..  it takes nearly 5 minutes to bootup.. it requires no formating of your xbox because its just a bootable image andyou can boot it from your file manager
[02:26] <MitoTranin> well... I didn't change it to tell it to use the serial mouse yet, I was about to do that when you got back
[02:26] <solarbaby> adamg_: the Xbmcmyth.py is really useful it boots up nice and fast and supports commercial skipping
[02:26] <adamg_> solarbaby: I currently use xebian but wanted something newer with more recent mythtv version
[02:27] <solarbaby> adamg_: thats something I cant help you with.. its a real pain in the butt to upgrade
[02:27] <solarbaby> adamg_: its actually very recent..
[02:28] <adamg_> supermi_ my adblock is using Easylist + EasyElement + ABP Tracking Filter
[02:29] <superm1_> adamg_, yeah i use easylist and that's it
[02:30] <adamg_> solarbaby: I wanted to use one of the very new versions of mythtv to support recording two shows where one is right after the other but both have an start early/finish late, using only a single recording card.....
[02:31] <adamg_> I have a dual channel card, but I always set a start early/finish late, and often there are two channels where I want 4 shows from, and I end up missing two of the shows....
[02:31] <solarbaby> been there
[02:32] <MitoTranin> superm1_: any way to tell the kernel to stop using the serial ports without restarting?
[02:32] <adamg_> I considered buying another dual channel card, but I think my backend wouldn't handle the load anyway (1.6GHz AMD Athlon CPU)
[02:33] <solarbaby> your setup sounds more impressive then mine.. cept my computer is faster
[02:34] <solarbaby> I just have 1 recorder
[02:34] <superm1_> MitoTranin, i dunno
[02:34] <superm1_> solarbaby, okay you want me to try to briefly try to work with you once mroe
[02:36] <levander> Well, I found it why my installation died when it was unattended.  There was an error on the disc.  Then, when I came back the Mythbuntu background was there, but nothing else.  I'm reburning another Mythbuntu CD now.
[03:15] <MitoTranin> superm1: you still around?
[03:15] <superm1> yde
[03:16] <MitoTranin> ok, I'm setting back the options in setserial and /etc/serial.conf to be no uart , and I was getting ready to edit my /etc/modprobe/lirc
[03:16] <MitoTranin> will setting the lirc_serial module to both ttyS0 and ttyS1 cause a problem?
[03:17] <MitoTranin> ie: do I *have* to only use one, or can I use both, even though only one of them will actually have the receiver attached to it?
[03:19] <superm1> yes
[03:19] <superm1> do only one
[03:19] <superm1> you can switch between the two
[03:20] <MitoTranin> einie, minie, miny, moe... ttyS0 first :)
[03:21] <eric> im running ubuntu 7.10.. i've verified that my tv tuner card works (i can watch tv fine in tvtime).. i installed mythtv via the mythbuntu control centre.. went through the configuration.. i can connect to the database just fine.. the problem that i am having is when i try to go to the mythtv frontend and then select "watch tv".. i hear audio from my cable comming in, but then instead of any video being displayed, i just get the myth
[03:21] <MitoTranin> eric, do you plan on using this system *only* for mythtv?
[03:22] <eric> no
[03:22] <eric> i'd like to use it as a desktop when not using mythtv
[03:22] <MitoTranin> ok, as if you were, I was going to suggest just using mythbuntu as a whole
[03:22] <MitoTranin> that's fine though
[03:23] <MitoTranin> did you tell the mythtv-setup to use the correct tuner type and tuner input?
[03:23] <eric> i may try that.. though i'd like to try to get this issue resolved first
[03:23] <MitoTranin> it sounds like you have the sound input correct, but the video input set to the wrong input
[03:23] <eric> hmm.. let me take a look
[03:25] <MitoTranin> superm1: ok, so it's back up and running, how do I test this mode2 thing?
[03:25] <eric> yes, it is using /dev/video0.. just as tvtime is
[03:26] <superm1> MitoTranin, look at the man page
[03:26] <superm1> i've never had to use
[03:26] <MitoTranin> ah, ok
[03:27] <eric> any other ideas?
[03:27] <eric> where are the log files located?
[03:28] <eric> got it.. /var/log/mythtv
[03:31] <CCB0x45> anyon know if there is a way to make the
[03:31] <CCB0x45> nvidia drivers do no validation checking
[03:31] <CCB0x45> at all?
[03:32] <eric> in frontend.log.. got it.. in mythfrontend.log VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init Failed.. VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'Xgl Generic Texture Video'.. mythfrontend.real: Fatal IO error: client kille
[03:34] <eric> any ideas?
[03:35] <CCB0x45> no idea
[03:36] <superm1> turn off Xgl
[03:36] <superm1> honestly
[03:36] <superm1> its a horrible idea to have with myth
[03:36] <CCB0x45> superm1, do you know anyway to make the stupid nvidia drivers do absolutely no validation checking?
[03:36] <superm1> CCB0x45, that's not the problem
[03:36] <superm1> it crashed because of Xgl
[03:36] <CCB0x45> no
[03:36] <superm1> not validation checking
[03:36] <CCB0x45> for myself
[03:37] <CCB0x45> it always throws out my modes
[03:37] <CCB0x45> it is so annoying
[03:37] <CCB0x45> it wont ever try them
[03:37] <superm1> oh sorry i mixed up your two posts
[03:37] <superm1> eric, and yours
[03:37] <superm1> my bad
[03:37] <superm1> late night :)
[03:37] <CCB0x45> its cool
[03:37] <CCB0x45> I just figured you might know
[03:37] <superm1> CCB0x45, in the nvidia readme there is an option
[03:37] <CCB0x45> ive been struggling with it for a week
[03:37] <superm1> NoEDID
[03:37] <superm1> or something very similar
[03:37] <eric> gotcha
[03:38] <CCB0x45> ill try UseEDID false
[03:38] <superm1> CCB0x45, there are other options to pair with it
[03:38] <superm1> that you need
[03:38] <CCB0x45> isnt there just one blanket one
[03:38] <CCB0x45> to do no validation checking
[03:39] <CCB0x45> UseEDID false says that it globally disables all uses of the EDID
[03:39] <superm1> CCB0x45, you can enable them all
[03:39] <superm1> CCB0x45, but you need to turn off the other checks each
[03:39] <CCB0x45> what section should this be on?
[03:39] <CCB0x45> that is so annoying
[03:40] <superm1> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/appendix-b.html
[03:40] <CCB0x45> because I dont know what one is fricken making it fail
[03:40] <superm1> search for useedid
[03:40] <superm1> its all there
[03:40] <CCB0x45> I know
[03:40] <CCB0x45> I am looking for it
[03:40] <CCB0x45> im in there
[03:40] <superm1> it lists them all right there
[03:40] <CCB0x45> but ive turned off every single one
[03:40] <superm1> the other options
[03:40] <CCB0x45> and it still doesnt validate
[03:41] <CCB0x45> why the hell do they have so much stupid validation checking
[03:41] <CCB0x45> the drivers are such peices of shit
[03:41] <superm1> because you can break your hardware
[03:41] <superm1> otherwise
[03:41] <CCB0x45> old crts
[03:41] <CCB0x45> you can break
[03:41] <solarbaby> superm1: brb gunna step out for a cigerette
[03:41] <superm1> they are failsafes to make sure that you cant override
[03:41] <CCB0x45> I just dont get why my friend with the same damn hardware
[03:41] <superm1> you can break modern devices too
[03:41] <CCB0x45> and the same tv
[03:41] <CCB0x45> im using the same xorg
[03:42] <CCB0x45> and it works on his
[03:42] <superm1> firmware
[03:42] <superm1> on the tv
[03:42] <CCB0x45> and doesnt validate on mine
[03:42] <CCB0x45> how hard is it to honestly just put out 720p
[03:42] <CCB0x45> every single hdmi device can just put out 720p
[03:42] <CCB0x45> but linux is still ass backwards on it
[03:43] <superm1> there is a fair share of handshaking that happens
[03:43] <superm1> to communicate smaller details of outputting such a resolution
[03:43] <CCB0x45> it cant be that hard
[03:43] <CCB0x45> there is TONS of hdmi devices out there
[03:43] <CCB0x45> for very cheap amounts of money
[03:43] <CCB0x45> that plug and play and work
[03:43] <superm1> CCB0x45, i wouldn't attempt to claim the difficulty of such a task unless you have first hand experience
[03:44] <CCB0x45> nvidia is proprietary drivers
[03:44] <CCB0x45> they could do it easily
[03:44] <CCB0x45> especially since it works on windows
[03:44] <CCB0x45> its just half assed support
[03:44] <superm1> well go complain to them in the forum then :)
[03:44] <CCB0x45> but why does ubuntu sometimes go to safe mode
[03:44] <CCB0x45> graphics
[03:44] <superm1> complaining to me isn't going to get anything changed.
[03:44] <CCB0x45> I never even know if it is actually using the xorg.conf
[03:45] <superm1> it goes into failsafe if the X server crashed
[03:45] <superm1> or couldn't use the xorg.conf
[03:46] <CCB0x45> its so frustrating that you can plug an xbox in on any tv in hdmi and it works fine
[03:46] <CCB0x45> and you can configure a driver for weeks on end
[03:47] <CCB0x45> and it wont fucking output the resolution you KNOW you need
[03:47] <CCB0x45> I know I need 1280x720 60hz
[03:47] <CCB0x45> shouldnt be this hard
[03:47] <tgm4883_laptop> !language
[03:47] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:47] <CCB0x45> what determines "couldnt use the xorg.conf"
[03:47] <CCB0x45> sorry but its frustrating
[03:47] <CCB0x45> ive had the black bars around my thing for 2 weeks, the only problem with my box
[03:48] <CCB0x45> because of terrible drivers
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> what card?
[03:48] <CCB0x45> its an onboard nvidia 7 series
[03:48] <CCB0x45> hdmi
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> what tv?
[03:50] <CCB0x45> mitsubishi 62628
[03:52] <CCB0x45> it just needs 1280x720 60hz
[03:53] <CCB0x45> omg
[03:53] <CCB0x45> I am so pissed
[03:53] <CCB0x45> I have turned off all edid stuff
[03:53] <CCB0x45> still says no valid modes
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> have you set a modeline?
[03:53] <CCB0x45> why wont it say WHAT is making it not validate
[03:53] <CCB0x45> yes
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> which driver
[03:54] <CCB0x45> nvidia
[03:54] <CCB0x45> it wont ever attempt to use my modeline
[03:54] <CCB0x45> always says no valid mode
[03:54] <CCB0x45> but gives no output WHY its not valid
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> nvidia, nvidia-legacy, nvidia-new?
[03:55] <CCB0x45> its just called nvidia
[03:55] <CCB0x45> from 7.10
[03:55] <CCB0x45> I dont know which one it is
[03:57] <tgm4883_laptop> do
[03:57] <tgm4883_laptop> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[03:58] <CCB0x45> ii  nvidia-glx-new                             100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.9              NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[04:00] <tgm4883_laptop> what modeline did you use?
[04:00] <CCB0x45> sec
[04:00] <CCB0x45> let me fine it
[04:00] <CCB0x45> find it
[04:00] <tgm4883_laptop> can you pastebin your whole xorg.conf
[04:01] <CCB0x45> yea
[04:01] <CCB0x45> sure
[04:01] <CCB0x45> this is it before turning off validation checks
[04:01] <CCB0x45> http://pastebin.com/m3492f244
[04:02] <CCB0x45> im turning off every single one I can see currently
[04:03] <CCB0x45> that is one of about 500 xorgs that ive created
[04:03] <CCB0x45> and tried
[04:03] <CCB0x45> this one works on my friends tv which is the same tv
[04:03] <CCB0x45> and its using what is reccomended by the tv
[04:03] <CCB0x45> 1280x720 60hz
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> where did you get your modeline from?
[04:05] <CCB0x45> I didnt make that one
[04:05] <CCB0x45> my friend did
[04:05] <CCB0x45> from one of the tools
[04:05] <CCB0x45> but I tried modelines from every different tool I could fine
[04:05] <CCB0x45> find
[04:05] <CCB0x45> I have just turned off
[04:05] <CCB0x45> every single check possible listed in the nvidia
[04:05] <CCB0x45> readme file... and it STILL says no valid modes
[04:05] <CCB0x45> how is that possible?
[04:06] <superm1> CCB0x45, you'll need to start your X server in verbose mode
[04:06] <superm1> to determine which aspect of your modeline is failing
[04:06] <CCB0x45> how do I do that?
[04:06] <superm1> in verbose mode the driver will intelligently tell you what's gonig wrong
[04:07] <superm1> startx -logverbose 5
[04:07] <superm1> i think would do it
[04:07] <superm1> or it might be
[04:07] <superm1> startx -- -logverbose 5
[04:07] <superm1> i dont know the exact syntax
[04:07] <CCB0x45> if X is running can restart it with verbose
[04:07] <superm1> but that is the general jist of it
[04:07] <CCB0x45> from the command line?
[04:07] <superm1> you have to do this outside gdm
[04:07] <superm1> or edit the gdm-cdd.conf to include the verbose logging option when it starts the x server
[04:08] <superm1> however you want to do it
[04:09] <CCB0x45> do you know where in the gdm-cdd?
[04:09] <CCB0x45> server-standard?
[04:10] <superm1> /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[04:10] <superm1> the syntax however
[04:10] <superm1> is
[04:10] <superm1> startx -- -logverbose 5
[04:10] <superm1> to get it from command
[04:10] <superm1> as i just tried
[04:10] <CCB0x45> yea im in there
[04:10] <CCB0x45> I meant in the gdm
[04:10] <CCB0x45> it doesnt call start X
[04:10] <CCB0x45> it calls user/bin/X
[04:11] <CCB0x45> I guess the one I want is server-Standard for X
[04:11] <superm1> i'm saying if you do it from command line
[04:11] <superm1> that is the way to do it
[04:11] <CCB0x45> yea
[04:12] <CCB0x45> I want to edit the gdm
[04:12] <CCB0x45> so it logs it every time
[04:12] <CCB0x45> since im sure ill be doing it a lot
[04:12] <CCB0x45> I just set it for all the different x server instances
[04:12] <CCB0x45> in gdm
[04:12] <superm1> well then just add the -logverbose 5
[04:12] <CCB0x45> I figure standard server is the main one though
[04:12] <superm1> to the end of the command
[04:12] <CCB0x45> I did
[04:12] <CCB0x45> rebooting... lets see
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> post the output of
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> gtf 1280 720 60
[04:14] <CCB0x45> WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to use mode "1280x720@60" for DFP-0; cannot compute
[04:14] <CCB0x45> (WW) NVIDIA(0):     backend DFP timings (mode is larger than native backend
[04:14] <CCB0x45> (WW) NVIDIA(0):     640 x 480).
[04:15] <CCB0x45> what does that mean?
[04:15] <CCB0x45>   Modeline "1280x720_60.00"  74.48  1280 1336 1472 1664  720 721 724 746  -HSync +Vsync
[04:15] <CCB0x45> thats the gtf output
[04:15] <CCB0x45> btw
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks
[04:16] <superm1> CCB0x45, have you tried letting 'nvidia-auto-select' handle this already?
[04:16] <CCB0x45> lol
[04:16] <CCB0x45> of course
[04:16] <superm1> well but i mean putting it in the modes section
[04:16] <superm1> and seeing why it fails
[04:16] <superm1> with verbose output here
[04:16] <superm1> you can find out a lot better
[04:17] <CCB0x45> nah I can try that
[04:17] <CCB0x45> one sec
[04:17] <superm1> be sure to comment out Horizsync Vertrefresh
[04:17] <CCB0x45> you mean with the edid stuff turned on?
[04:17] <superm1> because they can be the caused
[04:17] <superm1> yes with edid stuff on
[04:17] <superm1> no overrides
[04:17] <CCB0x45> k
[04:17] <superm1> nvidia will tell you which override you need
[04:17] <superm1> why
[04:17] <superm1> and hopefully how much
[04:18] <levander> How well is Mythbuntu going to work if I use the ati and not the fglrx (sp?) driver?
[04:19] <CCB0x45> restarting now
[04:19] <superm1> levander, well try it and see!
[04:19] <superm1> levander, :)
[04:19] <CCB0x45> superm1, if it chooses auto select?
[04:19] <CCB0x45> you mean
[04:19] <CCB0x45> is it alright if I make it in a way I know it will default to autoselect?
[04:19] <superm1> CCB0x45, if you include "nvidia-auto-select"
[04:19] <superm1> as a mode
[04:19] <superm1> it will try it
[04:19] <superm1> and use the edid to do it
[04:19] <levander> superm1: how do I change the driver after I've already gone through the install?
[04:20] <superm1> and if it cant, verbose mode will tell you why
[04:20] <superm1> that's all i'll say :)
[04:20] <levander> superm1: X-Windows isn't coming up with fglrx
[04:20] <superm1> levander, erk
[04:20] <superm1> levander, you can remove fglrx from a console, but i'm surprised BulletProofX didn't kcik in then
[04:21] <levander> superm1: When I came back to the machine, there was something about "X is running in low-configuration mode", but it was like there were digital artifacts that followed the mouse around
[04:21] <levander> I rebooted, and nothing after the Mythbuntu and progress bar splash screen.
[04:21] <superm1> levander, okay so it did kick in.
[04:22] <superm1> levander, redo your install without it, probably the fastest method to fix at this piont
[04:22] <CCB0x45> superm1
[04:22] <CCB0x45> I dont exactly know what to look for in here
[04:22] <CCB0x45> it does say this
[04:22] <superm1> well then pastebin it
[04:22] <CCB0x45> k
[04:22] <CCB0x45> ill pastebin
[04:23] <levander> superm1: your kidding me? wait, doesn't "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" reconfigure X-Windows?  I just don't remember if that lets you rechoose the driver or not.
[04:23] <superm1> levander, you said that it freezes after tath
[04:23] <superm1> so i mean that would be the easiest solution
[04:23] <superm1> "nothing after the Mythbuntu and progress bar splash screen."
[04:23] <levander> superm1: i can use grub to boot into recovery mode, then X won't try to start, it's probably freezing when X tries to start...
[04:24] <superm1> levander, well this being the case, apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:24] <superm1> and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <levander> you're sure i need to remove xorg-driver-fglrx first?
[04:24] <superm1> Yes
[04:24] <levander> i just wouldn't expect that is all
[04:24] <levander> okay, thanks superm1
[04:24] <superm1> it diverts a libGL
[04:24] <superm1> file
[04:25] <superm1> for its driver to work
[04:25] <superm1> that's the reason it cant be installed and working side by side with open source open gl
[04:26] <BHSPitMonkey> hey all
[04:26] <solarbaby> Howdy
[04:26] <BHSPitMonkey> where is the main spot media is stored on a mythbuntu install?
[04:27] <solarbaby> /var/lib/mythtv i believe
[04:27] <BHSPitMonkey> (I'm using a separate OS partition, and I need to know what to be mounting my "big" partition as.)
[04:27] <CCB0x45> superm1:
[04:27] <BHSPitMonkey> ah, so I should mount it as /var/ then?
[04:27] <CCB0x45> http://pastebin.com/mf011a5e
[04:27] <BHSPitMonkey> /var
[04:27] <CCB0x45> that is the one using the nvidia autoselect
[04:27] <CCB0x45> showing all the mode info
[04:28] <solarbaby> HAHAHA YOU DID IT superm1 !!
[04:28]  * solarbaby is rolling on the floor laughing
[04:28] <CCB0x45> the edid stuff has the modes I want in it
[04:28] <solarbaby> superm1: you did it
[04:28] <superm1> solarbaby, ah finally!
[04:29] <solarbaby> my tv has been on for 2 days waiting for sucess
[04:29] <CCB0x45> superm1, why does the EDID stuff there list the exact modes I want
[04:29] <CCB0x45> but doesnt show up?
[04:29] <superm1> solarbaby, okay you can finally try out that other mythtv package
[04:29] <superm1> for the second part
[04:29] <superm1> to see if my patch works
[04:29] <superm1> this has been an extended way to tst that patch :)
[04:29] <tgm4883_laptop> CCB0x45, just a question, is it plugged into the 1st or second HDMI plug on the TV?
[04:29] <superm1> CCB0x45, igive me a sec to look at this
[04:29] <levander> Some of these video cards have S-Video/HDTV out ports.  I thought you could just use a DVI out as an HDTV out?
[04:30] <CCB0x45> tgm4883, the second port
[04:30] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[04:30] <CCB0x45> and I can set up my tv so it reads that port as a computer input
[04:30] <solarbaby> superm1: you really live up to your nickname..  that whole xorg.conf thing was killing me..  what do you mean finally try out that other mythtv package?
[04:30] <CCB0x45> or just a regular hdmi
[04:30] <CCB0x45> ive been trying with both
[04:30] <CCB0x45> thanks superm1
[04:30] <tgm4883_laptop> apparently it's not supposed to work for the first port
[04:30] <superm1> solarbaby, there is a second part to getting this working
[04:30] <superm1> its not all there
[04:30] <superm1> in that link i gave you earlier
[04:31] <superm1> i have newer mythtv packages on a PPA of mine
[04:31] <superm1> that should allow pvr-350 to do the output
[04:31] <superm1> they include a patch i came across a few days ago
[04:31] <superm1> solarbaby, so install those, and then restart the computer
[04:31] <solarbaby> superm1: Ok.. i'll plug in my monitor again, and check it out
[04:31] <solarbaby> superm1: ok
[04:32] <superm1> solarbaby, you will need to enable the option in the frontend too after you've got them on
[04:32] <superm1> solarbaby, and then lastly, after this is all working, this needs to all be assembled into a single thread post
[04:32] <superm1> :)
[04:32] <CCB0x45> this really annoys me because the EDID information contains the exact modes I want
[04:33] <CCB0x45> I thought at least it was getting a bad EDID
[04:33] <superm1> yeah see it is good edid
[04:33] <superm1> as i expected
[04:33] <superm1> er suspected
[04:33] <superm1> not expected
[04:33] <solarbaby> superm1: at first glance.. i've got some more work to do with my monitor
[04:34] <CCB0x45> so why does it get those modes... and then they arent in the mode pool?
[04:34] <solarbaby> superm1: tv out looks great..  my desktop monitor just has a blue line at the top and the rest of the screen is black
[04:34] <superm1> CCB0x45, hm i wonder.
[04:34] <superm1> CCB0x45, let me keep poking here
[04:35] <CCB0x45> it even lists 1080i
[04:35] <superm1> solarbaby, doing two monitor setup is really messy with the 350
[04:35] <CCB0x45> as an available mode
[04:35] <superm1> so i would just stick to one of them
[04:35] <solarbaby> superm1: thats good to know
[04:35] <BHSPitMonkey> can anyone confirm that media is stored under /var?
[04:35] <stevetv> i can
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> BHSPitMonkey, what media?
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> CCB0x45, what resolution is the TV reporting?
[04:36] <BHSPitMonkey> tgm4883, -multi-media?
[04:36] <superm1> CCB0x45, can i see what your xorg.conf looked like when you ran this with nvidia-auto-select?
[04:37] <CCB0x45> superm1 sure
[04:37] <CCB0x45> tgm_laptop http://pastebin.com/mf011a5e
[04:37] <CCB0x45> there is my log
[04:37] <CCB0x45> and superm1 one sec let me paste it
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> CCB0x45, no, the TV should be reporting that it is receiving a signal and tell you the resolution that it is receiving
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> BHSPitMonkey, /var/lib/mythtv/
[04:38] <CCB0x45> tgm, you mean when it works or when it doesnt work
[04:38] <CCB0x45> when its on 1048 it says XGA
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> when it does
[04:38] <CCB0x45> I mean 1024
[04:38] <CCB0x45> x768
[04:38] <CCB0x45> superm1 its here: http://pastebin.com/m91b85e5
[04:39] <CCB0x45> its never validated a mode when its trying for 720p
[04:39] <CCB0x45> so I dunno what it says
[04:39] <superm1> CCB0x45,
[04:39] <CCB0x45> yup
[04:39] <superm1> i thought i said take out the horizsync and vertrefresh
[04:39] <CCB0x45> I did
[04:39] <CCB0x45> sorry on the one I tested I did, not the one I posted there
[04:39] <superm1> according to that xorg.conf they are still there?
[04:39] <CCB0x45> my bad
[04:40] <CCB0x45> but its exactly like that with those 2 taken out
[04:40] <CCB0x45> I didnt want to sftp it off
[04:40] <superm1> and modes has "nvidia-auto-select" added to it?
[04:40] <CCB0x45> no, I didnt think I needed to
[04:40] <CCB0x45> since it defaults to it
[04:40] <tgm4883_laptop> CCB0x45, looks like 1280x720@60 is only supported on HDMI port 2
[04:40] <CCB0x45> well its on hdmi port 2
[04:40] <CCB0x45> so that shouldnt matter
[04:40] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, just checking
[04:41] <CCB0x45> it does have that written over port 2
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[04:41] <CCB0x45> superm1:
[04:41] <CCB0x45> it be like
[04:41] <CCB0x45> Modes "1280x720@60 nvidia-auto-select"
[04:41] <CCB0x45> ?
[04:42] <solarbaby> superm1: is this what you want me to install? Download the xorg video driver (thanks superm1)
[04:42] <superm1> solarbaby, No
[04:42] <solarbaby> i386 version: wget http://ppa.launchpad.net/superm1/ubu...~ppa3_i386.deb  I did install that much earlier..before we got all this working
[04:43] <superm1> solarbaby, its the PPA link i linked you to
[04:43] <superm1> CCB0x45, well just Modes "nvidia-auto-select 1280x720@60"
[04:43] <CCB0x45> k
[04:43] <superm1> also
[04:43] <superm1> comment out yourmodeline
[04:43] <superm1> i wonder if you are accidently overriding
[04:43] <superm1> the one that is coming via EDID
[04:44] <CCB0x45> ill try that
[04:44] <CCB0x45> rebooting it
[04:44] <superm1> you know you can restart gdm without rebooting
[04:45] <CCB0x45> haha no
[04:45] <CCB0x45> didnt know that
[04:45] <CCB0x45> but ive been doing it like this
[04:45] <superm1> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:45] <superm1> will just restart gdm
[04:46] <superm1> solarbaby, once you add that ppa, it should just be an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade
[04:47] <solarbaby> superm1: im just  not sure what you linked me too earlier..  I can't access mybookmarks on the mythserver
[04:48] <solarbaby> xserver-xorg-video-ivtv_1.0.0~svn4049-3~ppa3_i386.deb
[04:48] <solarbaby> is that it?
[04:48] <superm1> solarbaby, add this repository to apt:
[04:48] <superm1>  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/superm1/ubuntu gutsy main
[04:48] <superm1> click applications->system->software sources
[04:48] <superm1> and pick third party sources
[04:48] <superm1> and paste that in
[04:48] <CCB0x45> wow
[04:48] <superm1> and hit close and it will reload the package lists
[04:48] <CCB0x45> now it wont even boot
[04:49] <CCB0x45> grub loading error 25
[04:49] <CCB0x45> wtf??
[04:49] <solarbaby> superm1: hehe you said click.. I can only ssh in now
[04:49] <superm1> solarbaby, okay well then add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <superm1> and apt-get update/upgrade
[04:49] <solarbaby> superm1: ok
[04:49] <superm1> solarbaby, you could always VNC too if you setup VNC already
[04:50] <stevetv> hopefully this is an appropriate lull in the conversation. ive managed to break samba.  putty still works fine, but i cannot see my videos, recordings et al directories in my network places on my windows box.. hense i cant transfer files to my mythbox..
[04:50] <CCB0x45> well
[04:50] <CCB0x45> it wont boot now
[04:50] <CCB0x45> because I did a forced restart
[04:50] <CCB0x45> and it cant find the disk
[04:50] <CCB0x45> error 25...
[04:50] <CCB0x45> sweet
[04:50] <CCB0x45> anything I can try to get it to boot?
[04:50] <superm1> stevetv, in mcc, hit reconfigure on the services tab's samba box
[04:50] <superm1> stevetv, and it will make you a new samba configuration
[04:50] <CCB0x45> or do I just have to reinstall?
[04:51] <superm1> CCB0x45, this is what i see from a quick google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=117271&highlight=grub+error+25
[04:51] <superm1> i've never gotten such an error myself
[04:52] <stevetv> superm1.. tanks .. giving it a try
[04:52] <CCB0x45> screw this
[04:52] <CCB0x45> im done for the night
[04:52] <CCB0x45> superm1
[04:52] <CCB0x45> is there any other idea you have
[04:52] <CCB0x45> why its not using the resolutions
[04:52] <CCB0x45> that it gets from it
[04:52] <CCB0x45> that I can try tomorrow?
[04:52] <stevetv> superm1.. you genius!
[04:52] <superm1> CCB0x45, well
[04:53] <superm1> CCB0x45, with that stuff in for nvidia-auto-select
[04:53] <superm1> dont turn off EDID
[04:53] <superm1> but you can use those disabling checks
[04:53] <superm1> *one by one*
[04:53] <CCB0x45> theres no way for it to say
[04:53] <superm1> in verbose log mode you'll see what happens from each of them
[04:53] <CCB0x45> ok
[04:53] <superm1> normally it does tell you which ones fail
[04:53] <superm1> i'm surprised to not see it in your log
[04:53] <CCB0x45> lol
[04:53] <CCB0x45> lots of things about my setup
[04:53] <CCB0x45> are very surprising
[04:54] <superm1> but it might only be when nvidia-auto-select is the requested resolution
[04:54] <superm1> which it wasnt for you
[04:54] <CCB0x45> ok
[04:54] <CCB0x45> ill try that tomorrow
[04:54] <superm1> if you do a reinstall tomorrow and activate the driver during install
[04:54] <CCB0x45> after I reinstall
[04:54] <superm1> it generates an xorg.conf like that
[04:54] <superm1> with nvidia-auto-select the default
[04:54] <CCB0x45> you cant activate nvidia
[04:54] <superm1> why?
[04:54] <CCB0x45> during install
[04:54] <CCB0x45> it only has nv
[04:54] <CCB0x45> dont you have to install
[04:54] <CCB0x45> then activate it?
[04:55] <superm1> well yeah "during installation process"
[04:55] <superm1> the installer has an option for it
[04:55] <superm1> on the proprietary graphics page
[04:55] <CCB0x45> is that in advanced?
[04:55] <superm1> page 12 or 13 or something
[04:55] <superm1> its in standard and advanced
[04:55] <CCB0x45> ok
[04:55] <CCB0x45> thanks alot
[04:56] <CCB0x45> I am sick of this pos for tonight
[04:56] <superm1> have fun tomorrow :)
[04:56] <CCB0x45> I cant even look at it its so frustrating
[04:56] <CCB0x45> the drivers are terrible
[04:56] <CCB0x45> but your help is awesome
[04:56] <CCB0x45> thanks
[04:56] <CCB0x45> cya later
[04:56] <superm1> stevetv, glad that worked :)
[04:56] <superm1> that's why that option is in there
[04:57] <solarbaby> superm1: got about a 15 min wait for my upgrades
[04:57] <superm1> solarbaby, oh yeah the middle of nowhere problem :)
[04:57] <superm1> solarbaby, too bad you couldn't do these before
[04:57] <solarbaby> superm1: im sorry you had to suffer asa a result of it
[04:58] <superm1> solarbaby, well i need to get to bed
[04:58] <superm1> solarbaby, i've got an early spec that i have to be at tomorrow
[04:58] <solarbaby> superm1: the instruction page just sez nstall it (choose the version you downloaded)...
[04:58] <superm1> solarbaby, so hopefully this works out, leave a message in the thread or here :)
[04:58] <solarbaby> sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-ivtv_1.0.0~svn4049-3~ppa3_i386.deb
[04:58] <solarbaby> and then what?
[04:58] <superm1> solarbaby, that's the wrong one
[04:58] <superm1> whati  was telling you was the mythtv package
[04:58] <superm1> that i patched
[04:59] <superm1> for ivtv pvr 350 support
[04:59] <solarbaby> I never saw those.. maybe they are coming through apt-get
[04:59] <superm1> well make sure they are
[04:59] <solarbaby> alright
[05:00] <superm1> but those add the pvr-350 support, and if they work right then i want to release them as stable release updates
[05:00] <solarbaby> I'll have to make a script that switches xorg.conf on me and reboots gdm
[05:00] <superm1> why?
[05:00] <solarbaby> in case I need my monitor for any reason ;)
[05:00] <superm1> VNC
[05:00] <superm1> it runs off the existing session
[05:00] <solarbaby> yeah I guess in the scheme of things thats what works
[05:00] <superm1> so you wouldn't need to mess with that sort of thing
[05:01] <superm1> its very easy to activate too
[05:01] <solarbaby> I could just put my computer under the tv now
[05:01] <superm1> right
[05:01] <superm1> well assuming this patch works out right
[05:01] <solarbaby> its a tiny computer  it looks good by the tv
[05:01] <superm1> if it doesnt, then that's a different story
[05:01] <superm1> i've no way to test it
[05:01] <solarbaby> so if the patch auto installs.. everything should just work?
[05:02] <superm1> well you need to reboot
[05:02] <superm1> and then enable the option in the frontend
[05:02] <solarbaby> ok
[05:02] <superm1> to use pvt-350 out
[05:02] <superm1> and that should be it
[05:02] <solarbaby> frontend was already enabled
[05:02] <solarbaby> 350 in mythfrontend was enabled
[05:02] <superm1> okay then you should be good to go
[05:02] <superm1> okay good night !
[05:03] <solarbaby> G'night buddy..  I can't thank you enough for the extra effort
[05:30] <levander> Where is the default runlevel specified?  I have no /etc/inittab on my machine.
[06:13] <levander> After I start browsing a few pages in Firefox, my Mythbuntu box freezes up.  I have to pull the power plug to get it to turn off.  Is that common?
[07:15] <stevetv> hi.. anyone help with getting subtitles going in mplayer?
[08:05] <cbrunner> hey anyone around?
[08:07] <cbrunner> nvidia says
[08:07] <cbrunner> that a mode is validated
[08:07] <cbrunner> but doesnt add it to the mode pool
[08:08] <troy_s> stevetv: If they are properly formatted, they should appear, no?
[08:09] <cbrunner> this is so damn weird
[08:09] <cbrunner> my log says:
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1280x720":
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):     1280 x 720 @ 60 Hz
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):     For use as DFP backend.
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: EDID
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        Pixel Clock      : 74.25 MHz
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        HRes, HSyncStart : 1280, 1390
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1430, 1650
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        VRes, VSyncStart :  720,  725
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        VSyncEnd, VTotal :  730,  750
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):        H/V Polarity     : +/+
[08:10] <cbrunner> (II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
[08:10] <cbrunner> sorry for that spam
[08:11] <cbrunner> then
[08:11] <cbrunner> right later says
[08:11] <cbrunner> : No valid modes for "1280x720"; removing.
[08:11] <cbrunner> ??
[08:15] <stevetv> troy_s, i needed to add -slang eng to the mplayer string for that particular file... i figured it out and it works great.  thanks for reading
[08:58] <solarbaby> it doesn't look like it'll be too easy to use lirc to broadcast my channel changes through my usbuirt (which it already does) and listen for remote control through Hauppauge 350
[08:59] <solarbaby> at least not with out recompiling lirc..
[13:37] <arcticblue> having a little bit of a problem here with watching videos.  it seems as though anything that uses XV as the video output only displays these green corrupt-looking blocks, but the sound plays fine.  i can only watch videos in VLC using the X11 output module.
[13:37] <directhex|work> arcticblue, nvidia?
[13:37] <arcticblue> yes
[13:37] <arcticblue> on-board 6100 i believe
[13:38] <directhex|work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/151122
[13:38] <arcticblue> it sometimes happens during tv playback also, but it seems to be at random times
[13:38] <arcticblue> oh, yeah, that's exactly what i get
[13:39] <arcticblue> ugh... you'd think they would catch crap like that before the release.  oh well, back to feisty i guess
[13:47] <arcticblue> Yeah, I'm not expecting any fix to be released.  Just like many other bugs, someone will just say "submitted to upstream"
[13:48] <arcticblue> so frustrating...
[13:48] <directhex|work> arcticblue, the bug will never be looked at
[13:49] <arcticblue> :-(
[14:31] <Daviey> directhex|work: ping
[14:33] <directhex|work> pong
[14:33] <superm1> directhex|work, did you file some bugs to ubuntu?
[14:33] <superm1> directhex|work, regarding the PS3 shortcomings you saw
[14:34] <superm1> like the resolution and such
[14:34] <directhex|work> superm1, no, not yet
[14:35] <directhex|work> superm1, a lot of it seems like things to file as a blueprint. or things to file against some of the black hole packages (e.g. the kernel people don't read or respond to or fix bugs, just ask arcticblue who was here a few minutes ago)
[14:35] <superm1> what'd he say?
[14:36] <superm1> the upnp in japanese thing?
[14:36] <directhex|work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/151122
[14:36] <Daviey> superm1: you intercepted/stole my pong from directhex|work - get your own!
[14:37] <Daviey> directhex|work: IIRC you use a playstation remote for myth?
[14:37]  * directhex|work beats Daviey with a ping-pong paddle
[14:37] <directhex|work> Daviey, it's an ongoing project. i am capable of doing so, but the driver i wrote is very raw
[14:37] <superm1> directhex|work,that's an nvidia-glx-new thing i thought
[14:37] <superm1> directhex|work, you can switch to nvidia-glx
[14:37] <superm1> cant you?
[14:37] <Daviey> directhex|work: how are you pushing commands into mythfrontend?
[14:38] <directhex|work> Daviey, uinput, emulating a keyboard
[14:38] <directhex|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8QN3Hux4g shows it in use
[14:38] <Daviey> directhex|work: I've written a little script that uses telnet localhost.. it's fast - but kinda ugly
[14:39] <directhex|work> Daviey, my problem is one of pairing properly - pairing & waking up without needing to do a 1-time pair all the time
[14:39] <Daviey> ah
[14:40] <directhex|work> Daviey, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/cakemote.py contains my uinput code, if you're curious
[14:40] <Daviey> I'm in the market for a new remote setup.. my new frontend doesn't have a serial port.. so can't decide between USB-UIRT or BT
[14:41] <directhex|work> i completely redesigned the key scanning cpde used by the most common ps3 remote test script, the idea of doing a string comparison on all 51 buttons & button combos made me feel ill
[14:41] <Daviey> I needed to force input for the buttons on the front of the case..
[14:41] <superm1> Daviey, mceusb2!
[14:41] <directhex|work> Daviey, my python is terrible, but i don't speak python
[14:41] <Daviey> superm1: MCEusb2?
[14:41] <superm1> i talk python
[14:42] <Daviey> superm1 never stops talking snake
[14:42]  * directhex|work can manage a pidgin dialect of c#
[14:42] <superm1> its called parsel tongue
[14:42] <directhex|work> or java or perl, at a push
[14:42] <Daviey> superm1: MCEusb2 reciever small enough to fit in the case?
[14:43] <superm1> Daviey, you put it on top of the case usually
[14:43] <Daviey> fugly
[14:43] <superm1> it probably 3" x 1.2"
[14:43] <superm1> erg
[14:43] <superm1> maybe  a little larger
[14:43] <superm1> i dont have one near me
[14:43] <Daviey> go home and measure
[14:43]  * tgm4883 goes and measures
[14:44] <tgm4883> 3.75x2.75x1
[14:44] <tgm4883> inches
[14:44] <tgm4883> not some crappy metric system
[14:44] <superm1> so i wasnt too far off
[14:44] <tgm4883> :)
[14:45] <Daviey> http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?http://www.ocinside.de/html/modding/usb_ultra_ir_receiver/usb_ultra_ir_receiver.html  <-- thinking about this as it also functions as a power switch directly to mobo
[14:45] <Daviey> (aswell)
[14:45] <Daviey> and fits inside the case \o/
[14:46] <Daviey> mind you, have you got the MCE2usb working with "wake on usb"?
[14:46] <superm1> i did
[14:46] <superm1> for one release cycle
[14:47] <superm1> during dapper
[14:47] <Daviey> hmm.. sounds hit and miss then
[14:47] <superm1> oh man it was sweet when that worked
[14:47] <Daviey> sweet as pie i bet
[14:48] <superm1> agostino claims that the performance with a wubi loopback isn't too bad
[14:48] <superm1> hm
[14:48] <Daviey> superm1: when.. i'm listening
[14:48] <superm1> just now
[14:48] <superm1> did you not hear us?
[14:49] <Daviey> i heard a yank yapping.. was that you?
[14:50] <superm1> ....
[14:50] <superm1> when?
[14:50] <Daviey> talking about kernel ticks now?
[14:50] <superm1> no
[14:50] <Daviey> huh?!
[14:50] <superm1> i'm not
[14:51] <Daviey> am i in the right room?
[14:51] <superm1> colin and agostino are
[14:51] <Daviey> ah
[14:51] <Daviey> they know that the default is 250Mhz tick right?
[14:51] <superm1> they are talking about with loopback
[14:51] <Daviey> oh
[14:52] <Daviey> So.. that USB-UIRT works out at $34.60 USD
[14:52] <Daviey> Except the power, doesn't work with MCE remote :(
[14:53] <directhex|work> usb IR keyboard
[14:53] <directhex|work> plus learning remote
[14:53] <directhex|work> you can set many bioses to power-on on a particular keypress...
[14:54] <Daviey> good idea!
[14:54] <directhex|work> i'm full of 'em
[14:54] <Daviey> but.. i want the reciever insdie the case - reckon it'll fit?
[14:54] <superm1> Daviey, just put it in a plant
[14:54] <directhex|work> depends how handy you are with a drill
[14:54] <Daviey> heh
[14:54] <Daviey> btw.. i'm on a different machine now - bloody laptop battery died
[14:54] <Daviey> urg
[14:54] <superm1> and when the lady asks you why you put a plant by the tv, say that's it necessary
[14:55] <superm1> it encourages stability
[14:55] <Daviey> hahahha
[14:55] <directhex|work> blame the feng shui of the room on any crashes you encounter
[14:55] <Daviey> superm1: you are nuts.. i'm glad my mic is muted!
[14:55] <superm1> i am?
[14:55] <superm1> why am i nuts?
[14:56] <Daviey> hide a ir reciever in a nearby planet.. made me laugh
[14:56] <Daviey> planet = plant obv.
[14:56] <superm1> its quite sensible.
[14:57] <Daviey> any suggestions what plant to buy? I'm considering a plastic one.. i just kill normal ones
[14:57] <directhex|work> a cactus!
[14:57] <directhex|work> so nobody pokes it to check WHY it's there!
[14:58] <Daviey> next item on the agenda.. recommendations for remotes..
[14:59] <Daviey> The silver h'page one is being decommisioned
[15:00] <directhex|work> cos it looks like *doodie* and feels like a kid's toy?
[15:03] <Daviey> yup
[15:04] <Daviey> and the buttons are wearing thin
[15:04] <Daviey> I've on my second one in 3 years
[15:04] <Daviey> i'm*
[15:04] <directhex|work> i have some spare!
[15:04] <directhex|work> i'd never use a remote like that
[15:05] <Daviey> but you use an unreliable playsation one?
[15:05] <directhex|work> at least it looks good!
[15:05] <Daviey> heh
[15:05] <directhex|work> actually, i rarely use mythfrontend on the tv
[15:05] <Daviey> anyway.. back to the topic..
[15:05] <Daviey> which one:
[15:05] <superm1> !topic
[15:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[15:05] <Daviey>  /kick superm1
[15:06] <superm1> solarbaby, what happened yesterday?
[15:08] <Daviey> directhex|work: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Mini-Universal-TV-Television-Remote-Key-Chain_W0QQitemZ320176991575QQihZ011QQcategoryZ91388QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting ?
[15:08] <Daviey> eww
[15:08] <directhex|work> Daviey, not really my style
[15:08] <Daviey> heh
[15:09] <Daviey> Logitech nice ones are £70+
[15:09]  * directhex|work recommends people never work with children, animals, or ncurses
[15:09] <Daviey> ncurses rocks
[15:10] <directhex|work> ncurses is a horrible, absolute-position-based toolkit of doom
[15:11] <directhex|work> doom i say!
[15:13] <tgm4883> directhex|work, dont be shy, tell us how you really feel about ncurses
[15:14] <directhex|work> yessir!
[15:14] <directhex|work> ncurses is a horrible, absolute-position-based toolkit of doom
[15:14] <directhex|work> yessir!
[15:14] <directhex|work> doom i say!
[15:14] <tgm4883> doom?
[15:15] <directhex|work> doom i say!
[15:20] <Daviey> Logitech Harmony 555 -- not bad, but overpriced
[15:31] <Daviey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-ProntoPRO-NG-SBCRU990-Universal/dp/B000CR7BXK
[15:31] <Daviey> bargain
[15:31] <Daviey> ~$1200
[16:04] <directhex|work> ncurses-based progress!
[17:01] <solarbaby> superm1: it works.. TheGUI is a little large for my tv but not horribly. vnc will not work so long as the 350 TV out is the primary video source :(
[17:01] <superm1> solarbaby, okay but the myth patch works
[17:01] <superm1> that's the important part
[17:02] <solarbaby> yeah..  I watched a few hours of shows with no crashes
[17:02] <superm1> solarbaby, okay i'm going to need to get you to comment on a bug after i upload an SRU then
[17:02] <solarbaby> Ok.. however I've never seen the bug.. what was the bug?
[17:03] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/158562
[17:03] <solarbaby> Thanks
[17:03] <superm1> but dont comment until after the upload
[17:03] <solarbaby> not a problem
[17:09] <solarbaby> it appears its not going to be easy to get lirc to broadcast only to my satalite box (which it already does) & also listen for my Hauppauge Remote on the Hauppauge 350 (Which it does not do at themoment)
[17:10] <solarbaby> Im gunna repeat that so TGM can hear it
[17:10] <solarbaby> it appears its not going to be easy to get lirc to broadcast only to my satalite box (which it already does) & also listen for my Hauppauge Remote on the Hauppauge 350 (Which it does not do at themoment)
[17:11] <solarbaby> from what I've seen this involves multiple installs of lirc and recompiling?
[17:13] <superm1> no it doesn't
[17:13] <superm1> one install
[17:13] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[17:13] <superm1> multiple lircd instances running
[17:13] <tgm4883_laptop> stupid cheap dvd drive
[17:14] <solarbaby> superm1: im anctious
[17:14] <tgm4883_laptop> probably with each having it's own config files
[17:15] <superm1> anctious ?
[17:15] <superm1> what does that mean?
[17:15] <tgm4883_laptop> axious?
[17:15] <tgm4883_laptop> anxious
[17:15] <superm1> follow the h.u.c page for Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[17:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^ probably
[17:15] <superm1> and it has info for a second device
[17:16] <tgm4883_laptop> arg again
[17:24] <solarbaby> my spelling sucks.. its true..
[17:30] <cbrunner> hey tgm and superm1, I fixed my problem last night after I reinstalled
[17:30] <cbrunner> the nvidia drivers are basically broken btw
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop> how did you fix it?
[17:33] <cbrunner> well its a long story
[17:33] <cbrunner> but after turning verbose logging to 6
[17:33] <tgm4883_laptop> readers digest version?
[17:33] <cbrunner> I saw that it was validating the modes I needed
[17:33] <cbrunner> but not adding them to the mode pool
[17:33] <cbrunner> but it would say The mode is valid
[17:34] <cbrunner> so I tried turning on checks one at a time
[17:34] <cbrunner> for validation
[17:34] <cbrunner> and it actually made it validate the wrong modes
[17:34] <cbrunner> but they worked
[17:34] <cbrunner> and it worked on hdmi 1 which it isnt supposed to
[17:34] <cbrunner> for other people
[17:34] <cbrunner> basically randomness
[17:34] <cbrunner> but nvidia would say "this mode is valid"
[17:35] <cbrunner> and never add it to the mode pool
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[17:43] <cbrunner> more super annoying than strange
[17:43] <cbrunner> but whatever
[17:43] <cbrunner> it works in 720p now
[17:43] <cbrunner> I might even be able to get 1080p
[17:44] <cbrunner> but im happy with 720p
[18:27] <joejaxx> :D
[18:28] <superm1> whaaa?
[18:28] <superm1> what you doing here?
[18:28] <joejaxx> lol
[18:28] <joejaxx> i have no idea :P
[18:36] <Daviey> ..@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx..  very posh cloak eh?
[18:45] <solarbaby> superm1: Im not following the directions for mutiple lirc very well.. they are leaving out too many questions and answers in that post
[18:46] <solarbaby> Daviey: has joejaxx come to steal our halloween candy?
[18:47] <Daviey> lets hope not!
[18:47] <solarbaby> (Grin)
[18:47] <solarbaby> Daviey: are you any good with running 2 lirc devices?
[18:47] <Daviey> i'm good with everything!
[18:48] <solarbaby> Im happy to hear that
[18:48] <Daviey> but your particular problem, no - never done it. sorry
[18:48] <solarbaby> Im following directions that confuse me therefor im doing this wrong
[18:48] <Daviey> solarbaby: got it working with one?
[18:49] <solarbaby> Yeah
[18:49] <Daviey> why do you need two?
[18:49] <solarbaby> it uses my usbuirt to tune the channels for me, now I just want it to accept remote control commands from my hauppauge 350
[18:49] <solarbaby> it'd be nice to flip through the channels with a remote instead of a keyboard
[18:50] <Daviey> ahhhh.. i thought you mean't two lirc recievers
[18:50] <solarbaby> naw..  just the basics here
[18:50] <Daviey> should be pretty easy..
[18:50] <Daviey> can i see your lircrc?
[18:51] <solarbaby> Ok
[18:51] <solarbaby> is that in mythtv's user directory?
[18:51] <Daviey> and /etc/lircd.conf.
[18:51] <solarbaby> actually.. let me compile in a archive all the lirc files that work indevidually
[18:51] <solarbaby> it might help you understand
[18:52] <Daviey> sure
[18:52] <Daviey> do you want to email it?
[18:57] <solarbaby> yeah
[18:58] <solarbaby> I was just thinking bout opening up a web server to drop it on.. but its still all behihnd a firewall for good reason
[18:58] <Daviey> solarbaby: davewalker#ubuntudotcom
[18:59] <solarbaby> Thanks
[19:15] <solarbaby> did that email arrive?
[19:15] <solarbaby> Daviey: did that email arrive?
[19:17] <Daviey> solarbaby: yes
[19:17] <nitrocks> i've got mythbuntu 7.10 installed.. everything seems to be working fine except the sound
[19:17] <solarbaby> good deal
[19:17] <nitrocks> i can not hear any sound when watching tv.. although i can hear mp3s and such fine when playing them on the desktop
[19:18] <solarbaby> Mythbuntu detected and used my onboard soundcard justfine.. I was impressed
[19:18] <Daviey> solarbaby: what happens when your cat the two together?
[19:18] <Daviey> solarbaby: hte lird.conf
[19:18] <solarbaby> Daviey: so far, neither of them work when I do that..but then again I dont really know what im doing
[19:18] <nitrocks> previously i had to use a jumper from my tuner card to my line in order to hear sound.. any ideas?
[19:19] <tgm4883> nitrocks, what tuner?
[19:19] <Daviey> solarbaby: they look okay.. kinda confused
[19:19] <solarbaby> Daviey: actually I was following the directions herehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy bottom of the page
[19:19] <nitrocks> wintv happauge radio i believe
[19:20] <tgm4883> nitrocks, can you pastebin the output of lspci
[19:20] <nitrocks> hmm.. yeah, hang on
[19:21] <tgm4883> brb
[19:22] <nitrocks> http://pastebin.com/mcde953a
[19:22] <Daviey> solarbaby: literally just do "$ cat file1 file2 > newfile"
[19:23] <solarbaby> Daviey: huh..  I'll try that
[19:23] <nitrocks> here's lsmod | grep snd.. http://pastebin.com/m43ff818e
[19:23] <Daviey> obv. not file1 and file2 :)
[19:23] <Daviey> solarbaby: file1 and file2 = each lircd.conf
[19:30] <nitrocks> tgm4883: any ideas?
[19:30] <bendailey> nitrocks: what do you get if you do a amixer -c 0 info and an amixer -c 1 info?
[19:30] <tgm4883> back
[19:31] <nitrocks> alsamixer -c 0 info.. brings up all the alsamixer sliders as usual, and i've got everything turned up that i can
[19:31] <nitrocks> alsamixer -c 1 info..  "no mixer elems found"
[19:33] <bendailey> nitrocks: can you do an lsmod | grep cx
[19:34] <nitrocks> http://pastebin.com/m42e2e7cd
[19:34] <bendailey> nitrocks: do you still have the tuner card connect to line in on your sound card or are you trying to get audio directly now?
[19:34] <solarbaby> Daviey: that splicing thing didn't work out too well
[19:35] <nitrocks> bendailey: nope.. i unplugged the jumper as it is my assumption that I need to get the sound working directly in order to have audio on my recordings
[19:36] <Daviey> solarbaby: how so?
[19:36] <solarbaby> Daviey: after splicing them together.. and then restart lirc noneof the devices function
[19:36] <Daviey> erk
[19:38] <Daviey> solarbaby: you currently have 4 it Hau'page one.. all you are doing is adding an extra one
[19:39] <solarbaby> yeah thats true.. and in the hardware.conf I had # out the working stuff and left in the beta stuff  in the copy I sent you
[19:39] <nitrocks> bendailey: what are you looking for in the output of my lsmod?
[19:40] <bendailey> nitrocks: I cam looking for info on this page: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x) look at the last bullet under audio
[19:41] <bendailey> nitrocks: "issue lspci -n. If supported, you should see a 1471:8801 or 1471:8811 PCI device."
[19:42] <nitrocks> i've got a 1471:8801.. but no 1471:8801
[19:43] <bendailey> nitrocks: you should be able to get dma audio working then
[19:43] <bendailey> nitrocks: do ls -lh /dev/dsp*
[19:43] <nitrocks> i've got /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp2
[19:44] <bendailey> ok try amixer -c 2 info not alsamixer
[19:46] <nitrocks> http://pastebin.com/m4ad5471a
[19:47] <bendailey> nitrocks: can you use alsamxier -c 2 now to unmute or adjust the volume
[19:47] <nitrocks> bendailey: im sorry, my statement about the lspci -n was a typo
[19:48] <nitrocks> i meant to say i've got 14f1:8801, but no 1471:8801
[19:48] <tgm4883> does that thing have a hardware encoder or a software encoder?
[19:50] <bendailey> nitrocks: does changing settings using alsamixer -c 2 give you any audio output?
[19:50] <nitrocks> tgm4883:  i'm not sure.. here are the specs.
[19:50] <nitrocks> http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_401.html
[19:50] <tgm4883> yea im looking at that, it doesn't tell me much
[19:50] <nitrocks> but i believe it is hardware since the system requirements are so lo (90mHz cpu)
[19:50] <nitrocks> low
[19:50] <solarbaby> Daviey: I left in only the essentials..  and it tries to turn the channel when asked to do so.."Watch Live TV" will respond with 5 seconds of Black Screen, and then returning to Main Menu
[19:51] <Daviey> that's bad right?
[19:51] <solarbaby> Daviey: yeah its bad
[19:51] <nitrocks> bendailey: i've only got one mixer listed under alsamixer -c 2 info called "capture", and it is up to 100%
[19:51] <Daviey> mythbot: wb
[19:52] <therethinker> apparently, cron doesn't like me
[19:52] <bendailey> nitrocks: is it unmuted?
[19:52] <tgm4883> looks like it uses PCI BT878A
[19:52] <solarbaby> Daviey: and on the other side.. it does not respond to any Hauppage Remote functions
[19:52] <nitrocks> bendailey: i'm not sure.. how can i tell?
[19:52] <Daviey> solarbaby: hmm.. it's really frustraiting not being there to "hands on"
[19:53] <Daviey> solarbaby: yeah.. but no remote :(
[19:53] <solarbaby> Daviey: I push the Button!
[19:54] <solarbaby> hehe
[19:54] <Daviey> nitrocks: "speaker-test" will help
[19:54] <nitrocks> bendailey: there is no 'm' below that mixer
[19:54] <Daviey> solarbaby: go on then, lets have a look
[19:54] <bendailey> ok then it is unmuted but you may need to set it as the capture device
[19:54] <bendailey> can you pastebin amixer -c 2 ?
[19:55] <nitrocks> Daviey: speaker-test is giving me output from my speakers.. sounds like static
[19:55] <nitrocks> http://pastebin.com/m4ad5471a
[19:55] <Daviey> solarbaby: can this wait 14 hours or so?
[19:56] <Daviey> nitrocks: aplay -l # to list sound devices
[19:56] <tgm4883> nitrocks, how many tuners do you have?
[19:56] <nitrocks> its odd though that i can play mp3s just fine through vlc..
[19:56] <nitrocks> just 1 tuner
[19:56] <solarbaby> Daviey: sure
[19:56] <tgm4883> thats not odd at all
[19:56] <tgm4883> did you post your lspci?
[19:56] <bendailey> nitrocks: sorry can you drop the info and just paste amixer -c 2
[19:57] <Daviey> nitrocks: speaker test is designed to play 'white noise' etc
[19:57] <nitrocks> tgm4883: yes.. http://pastebin.com/mcde953a
[19:57] <nitrocks> Daviey: gotcha
[19:58] <nitrocks> http://pastebin.com/m5cfe1498
[19:59] <nitrocks> ..aplay -l and amixer -c 2
[19:59] <Daviey> incidently i'm having a similier problem with my -c1 http://pastebin.com/m3d4bd7fc
[20:01] <tgm4883> I can't tell if this has a hardware encoder or not (I dont think it does), and IME, this is how you have to do it with software encoders, is run the audio into your line in on your sound card
[20:01] <bendailey> ok try amixer -c 2 set 'Capture' 95% cap; amixer -c 0 set 'Capture' 95% unmute
[20:02] <solarbaby> Daviey: I rebooted and it seems to all work
[20:02] <Daviey> solarbaby: woooooooot
[20:02] <solarbaby> Daviey: its all working through the USB Uirt.. which surprised me
[20:02] <Daviey> did you restart lirc between changes?
[20:02] <bendailey> in mythsetup do you have the option to set the audio device for capture card?
[20:03] <solarbaby> Daviey: I thought it was going to use the 350's Infra Red Device too
[20:03] <solarbaby> Daviey: I did..
[20:03] <Daviey> solarbaby: it will use which one hardware.conf is set to :)
[20:03] <nitrocks> bendailey: ok..
[20:03] <bendailey> nitrocks: do you audio now?
[20:04] <Daviey> nitrocks: "asoundconf list" ?
[20:04] <solarbaby> as long as I dont cancel out a Tuner change  by all the inrared talk then im ok
[20:04] <nitrocks> bendailey: no :(
[20:04] <Daviey> nitrocks: and "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec"
[20:04] <bendailey> ok be back on in a minute going to run home and get in front of my myth box
[20:05] <solarbaby> Daviey: so far im very happy with this.. Thanks Daiey
[20:05] <solarbaby> Daviey
[20:05] <Daviey> solarbaby: glad to hear
[20:05] <solarbaby> Daviey: I would not have imagined it was that easy
[20:06] <Daviey> solarbaby: When i first used lirc i battled with it for 2 weeks >:/
[20:06] <solarbaby> Daviey: I feel bad for you.. I did the same thing gettingthe UIRT to work with Dish Network
[20:07] <Daviey> guides have come on somewhat since then :)
[20:07] <solarbaby> Daviey: not in my case.. so I wrote one
[20:07] <Daviey> solarbaby: wiki'd?
[20:07] <tgm4883> nitrocks, can you repost the current problem for me?  I need to know whats connected to what and I see that others have been troubleshooting for awhile
[20:07] <nitrocks> Daviey: asoundconf list: Names of available soundcards: ICH5, UART, CX8801
[20:07] <solarbaby> Daviey: its in the Ubuntu Forum..
[20:07] <Daviey> solarbaby: ewww! get it on the wiki!
[20:08]  * Daviey is very anti forum "how to"s
[20:08] <solarbaby> hehe
[20:08] <solarbaby> yeah
[20:11] <nitrocks> tgm4883: i've got a wintv happague radio card (which worked under ubuntu 7.10 while having line out on my tuner connected to line in on my onboard sound).. i'm now running mythbuntu 7.10 (fresh install).. i have disconnected the jumper cable (so i can configure direct audio recording).. i now have video in mythtv working, but no audio
[20:12] <tgm4883> nitrocks, and you don't have a cable (inside the computer) running from your wintv-radio card to your sound card?
[20:12] <nitrocks> no
[20:13] <tgm4883> ok, thats the problem, you need to have a cable running from your tuner to your sound card.  Either internally (not availble on all models) or externally via the line out on the tuner to the line in on your soundcard
[20:13] <nitrocks> ok.. let me hook that back up and see if it works
[20:14] <nitrocks> still nothing
[20:15] <tgm4883> but it was working this way before correct?
[20:15] <nitrocks> yes.. under ubuntu 7.10 with tvtime.. but i have done a fresh format and installed mythbuntu
[20:16] <tgm4883> ok, good to know
[20:16] <nitrocks> in the audio settings in mythtv.. i've got..
[20:16] <nitrocks> audio output device: alsa:default
[20:16] <tgm4883> ok, good
[20:17] <nitrocks> passthrough output device: default
[20:17] <nitrocks> mixer device: /dev/mixer
[20:17] <nitrocks> mixer controls: pcm
[20:17] <tgm4883> that all sounds good.  Have you tried playing a mp3 though mythmusic?
[20:17] <nitrocks> no.. let me try that
[20:19] <nitrocks> i've got an mp3 file on my desktop.. where should i place it so that it is recognized by mythmusic
[20:20] <tgm4883> /var/lib/mythtv/music/ or you could point mythmusic to use whatever directory you want
[20:21] <nitrocks> ok.. mythmusic plays just fine
[20:22] <tgm4883> thats good
[20:22] <tgm4883> that means that mythtv frontend is setup right for the auido
[20:22] <tgm4883> audio
[20:23] <bendailey_tab> tgm4883: did you get nitrocks problem solved?
[20:23] <tgm4883> so it looks as if all we need to do now is set your tuner to be able to record from that line
[20:23] <tgm4883> bendailey_tab, not yet
[20:23] <tgm4883> still working on it
[20:23] <tgm4883> but were on the right path now
[20:23] <bendailey_tab> ok is the audio device set right in mythsetup?
[20:23] <tgm4883> I dont know, haven't looked at that yet
[20:23] <tgm4883> about to though
[20:24] <nitrocks> is mythsetup the same as utilties/setup -> setup -> general ?
[20:24] <tgm4883> no
[20:24] <tgm4883> sec, i need to check something
[20:24] <nitrocks> ok
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> got it
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> nitrocks, go into mythtv-setup
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> under capture cards, you need to now set your audio source for the card
[20:28] <nitrocks> ok.. it is currently set to /dev/dsp
[20:28] <tgm4883> what are the other options?
[20:28] <nitrocks> the only other option is /dev/dsp2
[20:28] <nitrocks> should i change it to that?
[20:28] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:29] <nitrocks> card type: analog v4l capture card
[20:29] <nitrocks> vid devie /dev/video0
[20:29] <tgm4883> right
[20:29] <tgm4883> thats good
[20:29] <nitrocks> probed info hauppague wintv 34xxx models [cx8800]
[20:29] <nitrocks> vbi device /dev/vbi0
[20:29] <tgm4883> bendailey_tab, did you guys figure out which device the sound card was?
[20:30] <bendailey_tab> tgm4883 yeah /dev/dsp2
[20:30] <tgm4883> ok
[20:30] <tgm4883> nitrocks, then switch to /dev/dsp2
[20:30] <tgm4883> bendailey_tab, just out of curiousity, what is /dev/dsp
[20:30] <nitrocks> got it.. i dont need to run mythfilldatabase do i?
[20:30] <tgm4883> no
[20:31] <tgm4883> then test it out
[20:31] <nitrocks> awesome.. works
[20:31] <bendailey_tab> tgm4883: is his onboard intel card and /dev/dsp1 is missing for some odd reason
[20:31] <tgm4883> ok
[20:31] <nitrocks> although the audio is a bit distorted
[20:31] <tgm4883> nitrocks, good, is there any sort of delay?
[20:31] <nitrocks> sounds kind of "robotish"
[20:31] <tgm4883> define distorted?
[20:32] <tgm4883> yea im still not following
[20:32] <tgm4883> robotish?
[20:32] <tgm4883> like an echo?
[20:33] <nitrocks> hmm.. overmodulated maybe?
[20:33] <nitrocks> sounds like the teacher on charlie brown is talking behind the correct audio track
[20:34] <nitrocks> maybe i need to play around in alsa mixer
[20:34] <tgm4883> so it sounds like the audio may be playing twice?
[20:34] <nitrocks> possibly.. but with no delay, so they're right on top of eachother
[20:35] <tgm4883> i'm going to have to go out on a limb here, as there is a common problem with software encoders
[20:35] <tgm4883> you need to mute the audio coming from either the card or from line in
[20:35] <tgm4883> i think
[20:35] <tgm4883> a way to test this i think it to record something, then go watch the recording
[20:36] <tgm4883> it's been a while since i used one of these cards
[20:36] <bendailey_tab> nitrocks: you may want to bounce your box to reset you mixer settings to default you maybe getting duplicate audio because of the amixer commands I had you run :)
[20:37] <nitrocks> bounce?.. as in reboot?
[20:39] <nitrocks> tgm4883: i just rewinded my live tv.. and i still have the same sound issue
[20:39] <nitrocks> let me reboot and see what happens
[20:45] <bendailey_tab> yes reboot
[20:46] <bendailey_tab> because I had you unmute the wrong thing probably and the settings should return to default on reboot at least the do on my gentoo box
[20:49] <nitrocks> hmm.. now i'm experiencing a delay
[20:51] <nitrocks> after i mute line there is no delay
[20:52] <nitrocks> ..let me try a reboot again, because it was working for just a second
[20:52] <tgm4883> thats how it should work
[20:53] <nitrocks> audio sounded fine on line at one point..
[20:54] <nitrocks> then i exited myth.. and the audio kept playing
[20:54] <tgm4883> right
[20:54] <nitrocks> then i went back in and tried to watch tv.. and it told me that all devices were being used at the moment
[20:54] <tgm4883> thats why you have to mute the one input
[20:55] <nitrocks> now when i try to use line.. (after reboot) it is distorted.. but not the same way that capture is distorted
[20:55] <nitrocks> i need to troubleshoot a bit more to find out exactly whats happenin
[20:55] <nitrocks> you guys have been a great help thus far though.. thank you so much
[20:57] <nitrocks> ok.. i've got line up and capture muted.. audio sounds fine
[20:57] <nitrocks> now, when i exit mythtv.. i still hear audio
[20:57] <tgm4883> what happends when you reverse that
[20:57] <tgm4883> mute line up and unmute capture
[21:01] <solarbaby> Im very surprised to see the Hauppauge TV playing AVI
[21:01] <solarbaby> I thought it was only limited to mpeg
[21:01] <solarbaby> Hauppauge 350 TV out playingn AVI..  is jumpy but its playing it
[21:01] <nitrocks> tgm4883: i've got teh distorted audio, but no delay
[21:01] <tgm4883> ok
[21:02] <tgm4883> nitrocks, what happends if you mute both?
[21:03] <nitrocks> wtf.. i still hear the distorted sound
[21:04] <nitrocks> do i have to restart alsa for settings to take effect?
[21:04] <tgm4883> no, it's playing back from your hard drive
[21:05] <nitrocks> im not sure i understand?.. i'm watching live tv
[21:05] <nitrocks> ok.. now when i unmute line (which was the clear audio).. even though i dont have mythtv started, i've got a contant buzz comming from my speakers
[21:06] <nitrocks> and now in mythtv, i have a delay
[21:06] <nitrocks> and both tracks are distorted
[21:07] <nitrocks> the only time that i dont have distorted sound is when i reboot.. go into alsa. and mute capture and unmute line
[21:08] <nitrocks> if i unmute capture and mute line i get distorted sound (1 track)
[21:08] <nitrocks> if i then go back and mute capture and unmute line i get distorted sound (2 tracks, with delay)
[21:08] <tgm4883> nitrocks, your not actually watching live tv.  Your watching tv that was recorded to your HD 4 seconds ago
[21:08] <nitrocks> gotcha
[21:09] <tgm4883> my thoughts are
[21:09] <tgm4883> that the distorted audio no delay is your correct setting, you just need to finesse some settings around to fix the audio
[21:12] <nitrocks> well.. i can get sound that isnt distorted(reboot, then capture mute, line unmute).. but with that setting, when i exit mythtv "watch tv" or out of frontend as a whole, the audio does not stop playing
[21:12] <tgm4883> right
[21:13] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:13] <tgm4883> i just ran accross something
[21:13] <tgm4883> that may be of interest
[21:14] <nitrocks> ok
[21:14] <tgm4883> is this your card Hauppauge WinTV-radio with dbx-TV stereo, model 401
[21:14] <nitrocks> i'm not sure to be honest with you.. i purchased it about 2 years ago
[21:15] <nitrocks> i could yank it out of the machine and try to find a model number if need be?
[21:15] <tgm4883> that would be preferable
[21:15] <nitrocks> ok.. hang on
[21:15] <tgm4883> sorry to make you do this
[21:15] <tgm4883> but if it is indeed that card
[21:15] <tgm4883> then i think you are going to want to try this
[21:16] <nitrocks> no prob.. should just take a second
[21:20] <nitrocks> hmm.. looking at the card it doesnt say right away other than its a wintv from hauppaugge..
[21:21] <nitrocks> i'm gonna do a bit of googling for some of these numbers, see if i can come up with anything
[21:21] <tgm4883> k
[21:23] <nitrocks> i cant seem to find the model number
[21:23] <nitrocks> if i had to guess, i'd think it was 530
[21:24] <tgm4883> k
[21:24] <tgm4883> i suppose it's worth a shot at this
[21:24] <tgm4883> let me link you and we'll see what you think
[21:24] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.8
[21:26] <Balachmar> Hi, my mythtv isn't shutting down anymore, anyone know how to fix this?
[21:26] <Balachmar> Because it should power on/off automatically
[21:26] <Balachmar> And it was doing so, until a few days ago
[21:27] <nitrocks> tgm4883: may be worth a shot
[21:27] <tgm4883> ok
[21:27] <aidans> is there a script to automate the database setup? I installed myth from a standard gutsy install then apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[21:28] <nitrocks> i gotta run.. i really appreciate your help
[21:28] <tgm4883> k
[21:28] <tgm4883> aidans, the database should already be setup
[21:28] <tgm4883> providing you don't have a mysql password set
[21:31] <aidans> tgm4883: well, I didn't specify one for mythtv, but there's no user..
[21:31] <aidans> tgm4883: is it in the package postinst?
[21:31] <tgm4883> aidans, did you have mysql previously installed?
[21:32] <aidans> tgm4883: don't think so, but it's posisble
[21:32] <aidans> (it's not important, dedicated machine etc.)
[21:32] <tgm4883> well there is a mythtv-database package
[21:33] <tgm4883> that should be installed with mythbuntu-desktop
[21:33] <nitrocks> tgm4883: i think i may be building a new machine in the near future strictly for mythtv.. and im thinking of purchasing a mid-high end tv-tuner card for it.. any suggestions
[21:33] <tgm4883> nitrocks, HD or SD?
[21:34] <nitrocks> not hd
[21:34] <nitrocks> i'm not sure i know what sd means
[21:34] <tgm4883> Standard Dev
[21:34] <tgm4883> err
[21:34] <tgm4883> def
[21:34] <tgm4883> PVR-150
[21:34] <aidans> tgm4883: ah ha! thanks. dpkg-reconfigure :)
[21:34] <tgm4883> Hauppauge PVR-150 works out of box
[21:34] <nitrocks> what if i wanted hd?.. what would be the way to go?
[21:34] <tgm4883> np aidans
[21:34] <tgm4883> Silicon HDHomrun
[21:34] <tgm4883> dual tuners, very nice
[21:35] <tgm4883> external via ethernet
[21:35] <aidans> also, what the hell happened to mythmusics browse mode?
[21:35] <tgm4883> aidans, what do you mean
[21:36] <aidans> tgm4883: the last version I used (0.20.1 IIRC) had a "browse my albums" bit, not just the playlist and editor
[21:36] <tgm4883> sec, let me look at mine
[21:37] <aidans> it's usable but an extra 5-10 clicks to escape back up to it is a bit lame...
[21:39] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:39] <tgm4883> idk, I don't really use it that often.  I was looking for something in settings
[21:39] <tgm4883> but i don't see anything that jumps out at me
[21:40] <aidans> ach well
[21:40] <aidans> yet another reason to hack on elisa then ;)
[22:06] <therethinker> !ping
[22:06] <therethinker> !ping
[22:06] <ubotu> pong
[22:33] <solarbaby> Daviey: to my surprise the Hauppauge 350 card plays AVI, but after you play a AVI, it only plays AVI and no longer plays mpg until you reboot
[22:34] <solarbaby> Daviey: I doubt i'll find an answer to this one
[22:34] <Daviey> solarbaby: let me know if you do
[22:35] <Daviey> I've never heard of it, and never used a 350
[22:35] <Daviey> sounds painful tho
[22:35] <solarbaby> Daviey: so far I dont know anyone else who uses the TV out of the 350 yet
[22:35] <Daviey> well why do they buy a 350 then?
[22:36] <Daviey> isn't that the only difference between that and a 150?
[22:36] <solarbaby> They usually buy it for GBPVR,SageTV,ALl the other windows pvrs
[22:36] <Daviey> ah
[22:36] <Daviey> TV out is evil IMO
[22:36] <solarbaby> how do you do it?
[22:36] <Daviey> VGA / DVI / HDMI is what real me use :)
[22:36] <Daviey> s/me/men
[22:37] <solarbaby> hehe..  I need a new tv for that
[22:37] <solarbaby> I always have my xbox.. just thought i'd try this out
[22:37] <solarbaby> I'd rather have 1 computer on then 2
[22:38] <Daviey> solarbaby: a tv that supports one of the 'kind' methods must be only $450
[22:38] <Daviey> make the xbox and ex-box and sell your car
[22:38] <solarbaby> I dont think i should be taking you too seriously right about now ;)
[22:39] <Daviey> heh
[22:52] <solarbaby> superm1: have you any ideas who I can watch mpeg through my 350's tv out, and then watch avi, but then i can't watch mpg again unless i reboot
[22:52] <solarbaby> who=why
[23:26] <therethinker> Lifehacker plug!