[05:31] <levander> Where is the default runlevel specified?  I have no /etc/inittab on this Gutsy box.  Did they do away with /etc/inittab?
[08:19] <kraut> moin
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[08:28] <_ruben> g'day
[13:07] <lousygarua> sorry n00b, how do i compare strings in bash? if [ $1=='something' ]
[13:14] <soren> if [ "$1" = 'foobar' ]; then echo \$1 is foobar; fi
[13:15] <soren> man test
[13:16] <lousygarua> soren, yeah thanks i got it
[14:19] <^robertj> where is setup done for the perc5i raid controller? mine was supposed to come factory configured w/ a 5-disk raid 5 but it didn't
[14:20] <^robertj> lvm is only for configuring software raid?
[14:20] <avatar_> lvm is different from software raid
[14:21] <avatar_> md / mdadm is for configuring software raid
[14:27] <^robertj> avatar_: the tutorials say you add devices to the md set by referencing /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb2 etc, but that doesn't seem to make sense for hardware raid
[14:29] <avatar_> hardware is configure in the bios of the raid controller
[14:29] <^robertj> avatar: is that accessible through the motherboard's bios then or by some custom util?
[14:30] <avatar_> bios of the raid controller
[14:30] <avatar_> most time accesible at boot time
[14:30] <^robertj> ahh
[14:30] <avatar_> by hitting ctrl-m
[14:30] <^robertj> ill go reboot and watch carefully
[14:30] <^robertj> back to the wind-tunnel
[14:30] <avatar_> or another keystroke
[14:35] <^robertj> avatar_ ahh, there is a "Tools" Menu that gives you the option to do Ctl+r to set it up, after that it seems easy enough
[14:35] <^robertj> The only RAID i've done before has been on macs where there are vendor-specific vendor-utilities for doing that stuff
[14:38] <mralphabet> ^robertj: hardware raid is 99% of the time configured at the bios level in pc architecture
[14:38] <mralphabet> ^robertj: software raid would be configured in the OS
[14:38] <avatar_> perc5 with raid5?
[14:39] <avatar_> last week i heard some people complaining about performance with raid5/perc5
[14:43] <^robertj> avatar_: I'll let you know how it turns out
[14:52] <^robertj> hrmm, does it normally take 20 minutes to create a 3TB ext3 fs?
[15:42] <donspaulding> can anyone tell me why my script, linked into /etc/cron.daily/ doesn't run?  both the script and the link have read+execute perms.
[15:44] <mralphabet> donspaulding: do you have #!/bin/sh at the top of it?
[15:44] <donspaulding> yes
[15:45] <donspaulding> because I'd run into that before :-)  but this time I'm stumped
[15:45]  * mralphabet dunno's
[15:45] <donspaulding> does anacron log to /var/log/syslog?
[15:58] <^robertj> hrmm, any reason that grub shouldn't install to the mbr of a hardware raid device?
[15:59] <sommer> donspaulding: if you do grep -i cron /var/log/sylog is there any entries about your script?
[16:01] <mralphabet> hardware raid has an mbr?
[16:02] <^robertj> mralphabet: i figured it pretended to have one
[16:02] <donspaulding> sommer: looking right now
[16:02] <donspaulding> syslog is big on this box
[16:02] <^robertj> mralphabet: do you just install it to your /dev/md0 device?
[16:03] <mralphabet> md0 is software raid
[16:03] <^robertj> err your right
[16:04] <mralphabet> in my storage server I have 2x80 that I use mdadm on to mirror the OS
[16:04] <mralphabet> I try not to have the OS and the storage array be the same thing
[16:09] <^robertj> mralphabet: should entering /dev/sda1 as the path for grub install make it happy supposing that / really does live on sda1?
[16:09] <mralphabet> ^robertj: let me check my grub conf
[16:10] <^robertj> thats the kind of path it seems to suggest in the installer but its just throwing a generic kinda of no message, and I was wondering if i was doing something wrong agian or if it was time to dig to find out what the problem is
[16:11] <mralphabet> ^robertj: what media are you using to install? 7.10 server?
[16:12] <mralphabet> ^robertj: but yes, that should be it
[16:12] <^robertj> mralphabet: yeah 7.10 server
[16:13] <^robertj> fdisk -l lists it as /dev/sda1 with /dev/sda2 being swap, which is how autop-config did it
[16:13] <mralphabet> yeah
[16:13] <^robertj> the files in /var/log/ don't seem to be of much help and running grub-installer -no-floppy "/dev/sda1" just gives me a blue screen and hten dumps me silently to prompt
[16:15] <mralphabet> the installer should be doing this for you
[16:16] <mralphabet> did you quit out of it?
[16:16] <^robertj> no
[16:16] <^robertj> its still running in another vtty
[16:16] <^robertj> but it just said it had a fatal error
[16:16] <mralphabet> ahh
[16:16] <mralphabet> gotcha
[16:17] <donspaulding> sommer: thanks for the help, it appears cron hasn't been running at all for the last 2 weeks.  Ouch.
[16:19] <donspaulding> sommer: make that hasn't been running for one week.  This is what did it, does it look familiar?
[16:19] <donspaulding> Oct 24 11:43:35 mta1 kernel: [1969908.736966] cron invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
[16:19] <donspaulding> Oct 24 11:43:35 mta1 kernel: [1969908.746049] No available memory (MPOL_BIND): kill process 4135 (cron) score 0 or a child
[16:19] <donspaulding> Oct 24 11:43:35 mta1 kernel: [1969908.746109] Killed process 4135 (cron)
[16:19] <^robertj> mralphabet: so err, boot from cd and choose boot first partition, then try to install grub by hand?
[16:21] <donspaulding> hmmm... looks like the system was out of memory and cron was determined to be a good candidate for killing
[16:22] <ScottK> Yep
[16:24] <donspaulding> I love linux
[16:24] <donspaulding>  * 5) we try to kill the process the user expects us to kill, this
[16:24] <donspaulding>  *    algorithm has been meticulously tuned to meet the principle
[16:24] <donspaulding>  *    of least surprise ... (be careful when you change it)
[16:24] <donspaulding>  */
[16:27] <^robertj> /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[17:28] <Fabio_Como> hello, i had setup proftpd.. the system user "testuser" can connect by ftp and it's chrootet in his ~, the problem is that files he uploads get his permissions.. but i need that file should have the www-data user, so that apache can handle them correctly
[17:35] <sommer> Fabio_Como: You can change which user the proftpd process runs as with the User and Group config items
[17:36] <sommer> that may work for you, but you may need to change the permissions of the ftproot
[17:45] <Fabio_Como> i mean
[17:45] <Fabio_Como> that the files written trough ftp session should be www-data:www-data
[17:45] <Fabio_Como> and not username:usergroup
[17:46] <sommer> Fabio_Como: you might look into the umask config then.
[17:47] <Fabio_Como> k thanks
[17:48] <Fabio_Como> it seems umask can only set rwx permissions
[17:48] <Fabio_Como> and not chown/chgrp
[17:49] <sommer> Fabio_Como: try GroupOwner
[17:49] <sommer> and Umask
[17:50] <Fabio_Como> however i think that i shuld detach from system-user
[17:50] <Fabio_Como> and create specific ftp users
[17:51] <Fabio_Como> so i can associate them to the system www-data user
[17:59] <Fabio_Como> docs: Note that GroupOwner cannot be used to override the host OS/file system user/group paradigm.
[18:39] <sommer> anyone at or listening to the UDS identity-management session?
[18:41] <sommer> just wondering who is the guy doing the most talking?
[18:51] <zul> dendrobates isnt it?
[18:52] <dendrobates> it's Jerry Carter
[18:52] <dendrobates> he wrote the OReilly samba book
[18:53] <dendrobates> But I am talking as well.
[18:53] <zul> cool
[18:55] <sommer> dendrobates: thanks, I was wondering about the book part.
[18:58] <sommer> ah... no sound ?
[18:59] <mathiaz> sommer: finished now.
[19:00] <dendrobates> yes
[19:00] <sommer> ah... thanks
[19:00] <ScottK> mathiaz: Hello.  I didn't get a chance to say hello the short time I was there, but I at least know what you look like now.
[19:01] <mathiaz> ScottK: hi. It's good to put faces on nicknames :)
[19:02] <ScottK> mathiaz: I can hear your accent (from my perspective) when I read what you type now too.
[19:05] <mathiaz> sommer: do you plan to listen to the server-documentation session ?
[19:05] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, but I don't have a mic so I won't be able to talk.
[19:06] <sommer> the audio from the sessions has been really cool... thanks to everyone who enabled that.
[19:06] <mathiaz> sommer: ok. I can rely if you want.
[19:06] <mathiaz> sommer: relay
[19:06] <mathiaz> sommer: I'll ping you when the session is about to start.
[19:07] <sommer> mathiaz: cool thanks
[19:07] <mathiaz> sommer: 4:15 PM EST
[20:15] <mathiaz> sommer: session started
[20:15] <sommer> mathiaz: sweet, I'm with ya
[20:16] <ajmitch> a shame that I can't listen in from work
[20:16] <robin1900> Hi All
[20:17] <robin1900> Just wondering if someone could clear something up for me
[20:20] <sommer> mathiaz: my suggestion is to build it in the Wiki
[20:21] <sommer> mathiaz: then import part or all of the article into the Docbook guide.
[20:21] <sommer> mathiaz: plus it can be updated quicker
[20:22] <mralphabet> where are people listening from?
[20:22] <sommer> mathiaz: and if we get the macro version spec
[20:22] <sommer> mralphabet: I'm using the icecast link
[20:23] <sommer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-11-01/index.html
[20:25] <sommer> mathiaz: you might bring up this spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance
[20:25] <sommer> mathiaz: nm I think you just did.
[20:31] <mralphabet> sommer: thanks
[20:31] <sommer> np
[20:37] <sommer> mathiaz: if the doc starts in the Wiki you could implement some type of rating system
[20:39] <sommer> mathiaz: there are moinmoin macros that enable ratings.
[20:39] <mralphabet> developers don't like to read docs!? WHAT! ;)
[20:40] <sommer> heh
[20:40] <ajmitch> unpossible
[20:45] <mralphabet> whoever is slamming doors needs to be kneecaped
[20:45] <mralphabet> +p
[20:45] <sommer> lol
[20:46] <sommer> it's also a little harder to hear people that are farther away from the mic...heh
[20:46] <sommer> need surround sound mics or something
[20:46] <sommer> :)
[20:46] <mralphabet> yeah
[20:48] <ajmitch> makes it hard to hear when you're already in a noisy office :)
[20:49] <sommer> mathiaz: do you have commit rights for docs?
[20:49] <mathiaz> sommer: no
[20:50] <sommer> mathiaz: okay, just wondering... all my patches have been commit by bhuzan :)
[20:57] <sommer> mathiaz: I think the wiki docs can be "translated" to docbook by hand before the freeze... especially with more help from the teams.
[21:03] <sommer> heh... emacs users under 30... that's funny
[21:06] <ajmitch> sommer: hm?
[21:07] <sommer> they were talking about it no me... don't shoot the messanger
[21:07] <ajmitch> yeah, it's rather hard to follow the discussions
[21:08] <sommer> it'd be cool to have video... then you could see who's talking, but probably take too much bandwidth
[21:09] <ajmitch> I can recognise a few of the voices
[21:10]  * ajmitch wouldn't have minded being able to listen to the web app framework discussion
[21:10] <ajmitch> except that it was 3AM
[21:10] <sommer> mathiaz: thanks for relaying, I appreciate it.
[21:10] <mathiaz> sommer: np.
[21:11] <sommer> ajmitch: heh... ya it's nice to be in the same tz as Boston
[21:11] <ajmitch> hm, LDAP, a fairly important topic
[21:18] <ajmitch> did sound just cut out for anyone else, or am I just unlucky?
[21:19] <mralphabet> fixed
[21:39] <kshah> if i'd like to secure a portion of my webroot directory, what are my options beyond a .htaccess file? is ssl overkill?
[21:40] <kshah> ubuntu 7 server / apache2