[01:55] <chowmeined> so are there plans to start migrating sysvinit scripts to upstart?
[01:58] <Arafangion> chowmeined: Of course there are.
[01:59] <Arafangion> chowmeined: Once upstart is considered "complete".
[01:59] <chowmeined> oh, i missed that part because i keep seeing how upstart is being used in ubuntu.. but its not complete?
[02:00] <Arafangion> Otherwise you'll just have a half-hearted init system (as mine is, as I do not use sysvinit compatibility), and have to rewrite all the scripts again for the complete syste
[02:00] <Arafangion> *system.
[02:00] <Arafangion> Yeah, it's augumented by sysvinit.
[14:38] <Jc2k> Keybuk: is there a IRC room for each UDS room?
[14:43] <Keybuk> no
[14:50] <Jc2k> Keybuk: bleh
[14:50] <Jc2k> we got about 1.30 warning about the times for the sync meeting
[14:50] <Jc2k> poor john is in NZ and i just had to pull him out of bed at 3am :)
[14:52] <Keybuk> heh
[14:52] <Keybuk> there's VoIP and stuff
[14:53] <Jc2k> nzjrs is investigating VOIP
[14:53] <Jc2k> im at work
[14:53] <Jc2k> so cant
[14:53] <Jc2k> but will be ircing and icecasting
[15:09] <Jc2k> Keybuk: my gaffa wants to participate in Hunsaker B, have you got anyway to poke them for us?
[15:09] <Jc2k> he's hoping they can look at irc cos he's having voip troubles..
[15:11] <Keybuk> I'm in A
[15:12] <Jc2k> i was hoping you could bang on the wall or something :)
[15:12] <Jc2k> sorry for interrupting :(
[17:01] <Jc2k> Keybuk: he managed to get in on voip
[17:01] <Jc2k> and he found gobby
[17:01] <Jc2k> :-)
[17:01] <Keybuk> cool
[17:01] <Jc2k> really like gobby
[17:01] <Jc2k> hope your gdm session went well
[19:30] <Keybuk> mmm, ServiceKit
[19:30] <Jc2k> hmm
[19:30] <Jc2k> s/Conduit/SyncKit/ and i'm in to ubuntu then?
[19:30] <Keybuk> you'd get everywhere! :)
[19:30] <Jc2k> fantastic!
[19:31] <Jc2k> :D
[19:31] <Keybuk> (having a side conversation about the merge of HAL and udev being called DeviceKit)
[19:32] <Keybuk> which sidelined into "if we called Upstart 'ServiceKit' D-BUS people might stop hating it"
[19:32] <Jc2k> lol :)
[19:32] <Jc2k> i had the same thought with a low level part of Conduit totally seperately
[19:33] <AlexExtreme> what merge of hal and udev?
[19:33] <Jc2k> although, s/D-BUS/Havoc/
[19:33] <AlexExtreme> or are you joking?
[19:33] <Keybuk> J5 actually
[19:33] <Keybuk> Havoc's pretty pro-Upstart
[19:33] <Jc2k> eh
[19:33] <Jc2k> maybe J5 would <3 Conduit
[19:33] <Jc2k> Havoc's pretty into reinventing sync for parts of his online desktop stuff :(
[19:33] <Keybuk> I had thought of calling the "just the service manager" bit of Upstart "ServiceKit"
[19:33] <Keybuk> and using Upstart as the name for that plus the event handler
[19:34] <Jc2k> interesting
[19:34] <Keybuk> yeah, much of OD amuses me
[19:34] <Keybuk> like they implemented a tomboy sync plugin
[19:34]  * Jc2k baffles
[19:34] <Keybuk> and spent ages implementing a bigboard slot for google calendar
[19:34] <Keybuk> just so you can have desktop notifications
[19:34] <Keybuk> when the eds google calendar backend gives you that and more much better
[19:35] <Jc2k> luckily i'm pretty close with the tomboy guys - tis how i got my svn in fact
[19:35] <Jc2k> so i hope we can at least collaborate on sync even if they won't use us or opensync...
[19:37]  * Jc2k drifts off into his comfort zone where there arent 15 reimplementations of every technology
[19:37] <Keybuk> :-)
[19:37] <Keybuk> we like conduit
[19:37] <Jc2k> :O
[19:37] <Jc2k> \o/
[19:38] <Jc2k> who's we *innocent looks*
[19:38] <Keybuk> Ubuntu
[19:38] <Jc2k> \o/
[19:38]  * Jc2k reists urge to do a happy naked dance
[19:39] <Keybuk> no plans until +1 though at this point
[19:39] <Jc2k> aye, i think it would be daft to put anything big and new like conduit/opensync in to an LTS
[19:40] <Jc2k> but we could really do with some help on packaging synce - even if its only in universe
[19:40] <AlexExtreme> any chance of native upstart bootup in hardy? *hopeful look*
[19:40] <Jc2k> i mean we have debs, but the integration side is a bit o.o
[19:41] <Keybuk> MOTU are the people to get help with that
[19:42] <Jc2k> Keybuk: anyone in particular or any place in particular?
[19:42] <Keybuk> not that I can think of
[19:42] <Jc2k> ok, i will continue to poke martin :)
[19:43] <Keybuk> Pitt?
[19:43] <Keybuk> he's a very good person to poke
[19:43] <Jc2k> the martin from the syncintegration spec
[19:43] <Jc2k> martin owens
[19:44] <Keybuk> ah right
[19:44] <Keybuk> don't know him
[19:48] <ion_> InternetKit
[19:49] <ion_> (ifupdown)
[19:49] <Jc2k> lol ion_ :)
[19:49] <Jc2k> thats how to stop people hating NetworkManager...
[19:50] <ion_> “NetworkManagerKit”
[19:50] <Jc2k> indeed